Speaker 1: On the be Dol Cast. The questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: and best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hey,
Speaker 1: what the fund is up? Is the Bechdel Cast. My
Speaker 1: name is Jamie loft Is, my name is Kale Doronnie.
Speaker 1: There is that how people said your name there? I
Speaker 1: don't know they're sounded right? Okay, you know what? I
Speaker 1: don't think I can actually do about an accent very well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely cannot end up kind of doing a Newsies kind
Speaker 1: of think every time I try to do it. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think that fits with this episode because
Speaker 1: like there's maybe one person doing about an accent that
Speaker 1: makes any sense in this movie. I this is the
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. Yeah, what what is the Bedel Cast? Hey kid,
Speaker 1: what's the fucking Bechdel Cast? Fucking tell you? Is where
Speaker 1: to broads? Talk about broads? Inflicts? Brods in a flick?
Speaker 1: Gotta talk about something that's not a dude. You want
Speaker 1: to know what the fucking you want to know? The
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast, this broad Betel, this fucking the fucking rules
Speaker 1: women in their rules, right right. Okay, so here's what happens.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta have two broads that have names, and
Speaker 1: they gotta talk to each other, because when they won't
Speaker 1: stop talking, talk to each other about something other than
Speaker 1: their fucking husband sounds stupid. So I fucking hate it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite. This is my favorite episode. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be the most annoying one. I decided today, this
Speaker 1: could be the this could be the worst one. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: let's do an example of how something might pass the
Speaker 1: Bectel test. Just like a boy I can't from Hello,
Speaker 1: you sound like that lady on SpongeBob Jamie. This is
Speaker 1: us passing the Bechtel test. Um do you like apples? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you like the apples? Oh? My god? That
Speaker 1: it was an incoherent as like who oscar winning writers?
Speaker 1: I feel as I feel absolutely sick thinking about I'm
Speaker 1: so excited for this episode. Yes, anyway, so hopefully you
Speaker 1: know what the podcast. Yeah, we talk about the representation
Speaker 1: of women in movies and today's movie. Okay, oh boy,
Speaker 1: motherfucking after no one has requested this movie. Literally ever,
Speaker 1: you didn't ask for it. Here it is, this is
Speaker 1: our episode on Google hunting. That's right, and to join
Speaker 1: us in our discussion. We've got a very funny stand
Speaker 1: up comic and writer from Boston, and she's from Boston.
Speaker 1: Iowa debris what it does pleasure? Yeah, my friends. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're fucking wearing Boston from from dot Rat from Georchester. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that real shit. I'm third generation brockton Ian. Yeah, everyone's,
Speaker 1: everyone's We're still out there in Brockton. We're on the
Speaker 1: south side near Westbridge, witer. We don't like Westrata. They suck.
Speaker 1: Go to Easton a little bit to the east. They
Speaker 1: got they got a lot, they got too much heroin there.
Speaker 1: They don't go there. To Brockton is not good the best.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have the best reputation. But they say it
Speaker 1: in the depoded once they do, and we do not
Speaker 1: let people forget it. It's also in What Maybe Gone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I watched the other night because I'm sick, and
Speaker 1: that is a very strange way to be home set. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it's also it's like not representative of anything I've ever experienced. Really,
Speaker 1: most movies about the area we're from do not represent
Speaker 1: anything I've ever seen happen. Yeah, and this I feel
Speaker 1: like this is maybe the most famous one right, Like
Speaker 1: it's like can to the national stage. It's huge. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. I mean that was like one of
Speaker 1: those places where like surely they have to have these
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. Yeah, I mean even though their food, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: their food tastes like fucking chemicals. I don't care. It's
Speaker 1: made to be in hospitals. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean like it's made to be like when you're
Speaker 1: like grieving, like the fact that like you're closest family
Speaker 1: member is probably gonna pass away in a few days,
Speaker 1: and your best mealmen. No, but it's like you gotta
Speaker 1: go down, you know, to the hospital lobby. You take
Speaker 1: a rite and there's the aubon pan next to the flowers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to I like to get a huge ladle
Speaker 1: of broccoli jetta soup. Wow, and yeah, just like pour
Speaker 1: it down my throat. Yeah, I think that's never they
Speaker 1: old lukewarm clam chowder. Get a nice funnel film, film
Speaker 1: the film. I put the film on my face like
Speaker 1: a face mask. Then like get a nice funnel right
Speaker 1: down the gullet, poured the soup down, and I'm sucking
Speaker 1: healthy and I'm sucking alive and I lived to tell
Speaker 1: the So there's alban representation. We got pizza, coffee, and
Speaker 1: of course we got dunks. So much Dunkin Donuts pizza
Speaker 1: from Boston. I don't even think so, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's just a pizza that's like that was in Harvard Square, right,
Speaker 1: that was the only one I was ever familiar with.
Speaker 1: In bronckto Massachusetts. In at least the year I graduated
Speaker 1: high school, there there were over fifty Duncan Donuts, which
Speaker 1: is uh a lot. I mean, it's a pretty big city.
Speaker 1: It's there's like like a hundred two people who live there,
Speaker 1: but there's no need for fifty Duncan Dnuts. But none
Speaker 1: of them are ever going to go out of business.
Speaker 1: I mean there's truly, I think, like in Dorchester, every
Speaker 1: three blocks there's a Duncan Donuts, like you cannot, like truly,
Speaker 1: it's illegal to be driving for more than ten minutes
Speaker 1: and not have a dunkin Donuts in a ten minute
Speaker 1: circle radius. I had my first ten is like exhausting
Speaker 1: to think of driving too, it is, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I and there's fortunately one around here, thank god. That
Speaker 1: was I do whenever I get homesick, because I got
Speaker 1: my mom gave me the sex talk in the parking
Speaker 1: lot of a Dunking Donuts. And then she also interrogated
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend after he broke up with me in
Speaker 1: a Duncan donut dunk Donuts. Yeah, so you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of milestones. There's history there, yes, texture,
Speaker 1: there's layers. So google Hunting movie that was nominated and
Speaker 1: one oscars what is your history? What this movie? Well,
Speaker 1: I we we texted a little about what movie to
Speaker 1: pick because I was I was having me. I was
Speaker 1: spoiled for choice in so many ways. Uh movies, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them, you know what. And then I
Speaker 1: just thought it would be really funny if we did this, um,
Speaker 1: not realizing after that there is one woman character. I
Speaker 1: guess I just forgot that part. Yeah. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: feel like it was always on like TBS or something like.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it was like always on and around.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, I really that's it, that's that
Speaker 1: on that I feel like like when I got to college. Weirdly,
Speaker 1: it was something that I would watch when I was homesick,
Speaker 1: even though none of it was real, like none of
Speaker 1: it was real or true to my life or my
Speaker 1: experiences or the people that I knew or cared about,
Speaker 1: or like the neighborhoods that I was in, but which
Speaker 1: is crazy because you grew up very close to where
Speaker 1: everything is pretty Yeah, for sure they're from Southie though,
Speaker 1: but there are like neighborhoods I obviously recognize. But also
Speaker 1: Bassett is very like um racist trying to find the
Speaker 1: right terminal. But it's like Geograph, It's like it's like
Speaker 1: very split up. And so it's like, I think, not,
Speaker 1: you're not really going to go into neighborhoods where it's
Speaker 1: like it's not people who look like you are people
Speaker 1: who are your friends. So I was never really like
Speaker 1: hanging out and like Southy or like Westy which is
Speaker 1: West Rock Spurry or like you know or like certain
Speaker 1: like all Stin or whatever. Like I wasn't really like
Speaker 1: hanging out there but trying to get shot on by
Speaker 1: my by school graduating class. They're listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know, but like really it's something
Speaker 1: that I just like watched a lot when I like,
Speaker 1: it just gets chilly and I want to see fall leaves,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like drifting in the comment or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mine was Mine is kind of similar. Like I just
Speaker 1: think I don't remember the first time I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I've definitely seen it a bunch. I've seen it in
Speaker 1: chunks a bunch. I've definitely started it and not finished
Speaker 1: it a bunch hundreds of times. Yeah, like I forgot
Speaker 1: about the I forgot many drivers in this movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: I constantly mixed up her and Andy McDowell, which is
Speaker 1: sort of like my own personal journey that I need
Speaker 1: to be working on in terms of like how I
Speaker 1: support white women, but I would like always mix them up,
Speaker 1: and only like very recently, like way too recently, did
Speaker 1: I realize like, oh, these are very different women. There's
Speaker 1: almost no overlap. I mean they look quite so I
Speaker 1: was trying to shame and they're both like like like
Speaker 1: fake demure. But yeah, I'd seen this movie a bunch.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like it is kind of like
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people's introduction to Boston has
Speaker 1: an idea, uh, and then there's so many and it's
Speaker 1: like this, there are so many movies that you can
Speaker 1: see like kind of pull direct influence of like oh,
Speaker 1: we're just never going to set a movie that isn't
Speaker 1: at Harvard or in Southey. Yes, and that's pretty much
Speaker 1: been the case to this day because you've got your
Speaker 1: little social network first twenty minutes. Uh, and then you've
Speaker 1: got the town, the depoted, you got SATs smell most recently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's I mean, everything that happens in Boston
Speaker 1: happens in exactly two neighborhoods. Yeah, and that's it. Well,
Speaker 1: that's also like very much like my experience as a
Speaker 1: black person from Boston when I leave and people are like, ah,
Speaker 1: you got the fucking accent, you know, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: well no, but nobody talks like that. Actually, it's like
Speaker 1: it's fully a dying accent. It is, and the only
Speaker 1: people who talk like that are people like young people
Speaker 1: don't even really talk like that, even if you're like
Speaker 1: from Southie, unless unless you're like a little bit more
Speaker 1: I think, like Western Mass my mom, I'm from Southern
Speaker 1: mass and my mom has a very thick accent. But
Speaker 1: there's I feel like most people our age or it
Speaker 1: definitely in Barkton, we would actively untrained in ourselves from
Speaker 1: having it entirely because I was by then I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is partially because of like good will hunting
Speaker 1: and that like ripple effect, but like I remember being
Speaker 1: aware pretty young that it was an embarrassing way talk. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like fully like seeing socially by society is a
Speaker 1: very ugly accent and it's not wrong. That's yet I
Speaker 1: find it comforting to hear like hints of it in
Speaker 1: people's voices sometimes. But yeah, I was like I feel
Speaker 1: like by like second grade, even like I remember hearing
Speaker 1: my mom like talk out loud to another parent and
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, we can't. I can't be that. That
Speaker 1: can't be my life. Caitlyn. Once your history with this
Speaker 1: movie my history I saw so it came out in
Speaker 1: ninety Okay, I saw it probably for the first time
Speaker 1: in high school, so I'm guessing like two thousand three,
Speaker 1: And then I did not watch it again because I
Speaker 1: did not like it the first time, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not my type of movie A powerful all
Speaker 1: to say, I mean, brave, brave. Why isn't it your
Speaker 1: type of movie? You know, I like a good romp
Speaker 1: and this simply is not a wrong. This isn't what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? This is one of the rompiest films.
Speaker 1: How is this a wrong? Math is a wrong? And
Speaker 1: he's m he's romping between his academic life, man, his
Speaker 1: personal life. Boys boys, boys, Um, it's a romp of
Speaker 1: the soul, spiritual romp romp. It's like there's like rompy parts.
Speaker 1: There are parts of it that are rompy. I think,
Speaker 1: I think there's even talks I do like that that's
Speaker 1: a wrong scene, but that I wrote down. I was like,
Speaker 1: could be cut movie would be no difference, but we
Speaker 1: like that. It was like it was trying to say
Speaker 1: something political its but it means nothing. There's so much
Speaker 1: like a Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who if you
Speaker 1: didn't know, wrote this movie. There's so much like college
Speaker 1: freshman like grandstanding, so many monologues and like I was,
Speaker 1: I got exhausted, but then I found a second win.
Speaker 1: It gives you a second win. That's what it does.
Speaker 1: It really does. It's crazy. It's like it's not with
Speaker 1: a three X structure, but like a seven. There's maybe
Speaker 1: ten X in this movie. Some of the acts have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with most of the movie. No, not
Speaker 1: at all, and they and they won't like why why
Speaker 1: is there a scene where Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck
Speaker 1: talk about jerking off into a baseball glove for like
Speaker 1: five minutes. It's funny. Does that help you know? Because
Speaker 1: it's funny, well should be allowed to talk about. So actually,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm here, Actually why I'm on your podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm a sleeper agent for the Meninist movement UM and
Speaker 1: boys should be able to be boys and talk about
Speaker 1: drinking off and have fun to locker room top. You
Speaker 1: didn't lock a room there. I this is I think
Speaker 1: my favorite math movie. The math substitutes would show include
Speaker 1: this was a pretty good movie to turn on during
Speaker 1: a math substitute stand and deliver. I would say, is
Speaker 1: math movies A Beautiful Mind? Hatiful Mind? Can suck it.
Speaker 1: My mom loved the movie A Beautiful Mind and replay
Speaker 1: it on. Like in our kitchen, we had the like
Speaker 1: tiny TV that had the HS. Yeah, the kitchen TV
Speaker 1: that we decided as like a global community or maybe
Speaker 1: just as the nation that we would have that be
Speaker 1: a kitchen TV. But it ours was way up on
Speaker 1: the top shelf because it was like, well, then when
Speaker 1: you're cooking or when you're sitting you can watch it,
Speaker 1: so that made sense. But it was impossible to change
Speaker 1: the tapes, like because it was so high up and
Speaker 1: me and my mom were both very very small. Imagine
Speaker 1: I'm even smaller because I'm a child, if you can
Speaker 1: fully imagine it. So I would like have to climb
Speaker 1: up on the table and then like hook myself onto
Speaker 1: the shelf and then sort of like myself and then
Speaker 1: I would come back down, and then I would like
Speaker 1: go back up and grab it out and then go
Speaker 1: back out and pull it in. It's crazy. No one
Speaker 1: took me, but Beautiful Mind got stuck up there for months,
Speaker 1: months because I was like, I'm tired of like risking
Speaker 1: my life to change different out of the Yes, Cinderella's
Speaker 1: story was in there for a hot sect too. That's
Speaker 1: I mean, prefer that to a beautiful prom that movie.
Speaker 1: I actually think I've seen that movie over a hundred times.
Speaker 1: We've been That's been requested a lot. Really, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was one of the ones that I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: back and forth between every movie that got stuck in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. Honestly, Yes, just like what trauma can I
Speaker 1: work through on a podcast? Please? And today it's Boston,
Speaker 1: it's good Will hunting. Should I do the cap? Yeah? Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all this movie is two hours long and it does
Speaker 1: feel so Yeah, it's crazy that shipp enup to Boston.
Speaker 1: Is it fully in this movie? I know it's in
Speaker 1: it's in The Departed, but I wish it was in
Speaker 1: every Boston movie it has. This movie had less of
Speaker 1: an aggressive soundtrack. It has the most gentle soundtrack. In
Speaker 1: addition to putting a bon pant on the map, but
Speaker 1: elliot freaking on the map every time Mini Driver is
Speaker 1: on screen. This plane, it's like the insane. It's like
Speaker 1: a connection. It's it's it's illegal. I I don't know
Speaker 1: what I expect. I mean, I expected it to be
Speaker 1: like a very like Boston yeah soundtrack, but no, it's
Speaker 1: it's very it's opposite like this like quiet depressed man
Speaker 1: from like Portland is like strumming. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this sounds good. Um okay, here's the story of good
Speaker 1: will hunting, which sounds to me like goodwill hunting. Good
Speaker 1: will hunting. Anyway, So we're in Boston. There's there's an
Speaker 1: m I T. Professor named Gerald Lambeau. That's Stelen's scar scard.
Speaker 1: He puts this advanced equation on the chalkboard in the
Speaker 1: halls of m I T hoping that one of the
Speaker 1: students will solve it. At the end of this is
Speaker 1: not at all distracting Pirts of the Caribbean and I
Speaker 1: and unfortunately I can neither confirmed nor deny that. So okay,
Speaker 1: So he has this equation on the on the on
Speaker 1: the board. He's hoping one of the students will solve it.
Speaker 1: By the end of the semester, we meet Will Hunting.
Speaker 1: That's Matt Damon's character. He's a janitor and m I T.
Speaker 1: And he sees the equation. He ponders it a bit,
Speaker 1: and then he solves it. I think within the span
Speaker 1: of a couple hours. This is like the most dangerous
Speaker 1: like just that every like hot, irrationally angry guys also
Speaker 1: secretly a genius, like I understand why this movie made
Speaker 1: so much money, and also being hot is justification and
Speaker 1: a genius is justification for being like unwell, yeah, addict
Speaker 1: to everyone around him. Yes, So he solves it. The
Speaker 1: professor and the students are like, oh my god, who
Speaker 1: solved this? We don't know. Meanwhile, we know we know
Speaker 1: who it is. Meanwhile, Will and his loser friends, who
Speaker 1: played by Benefleck Casey Affleck and then some other dude
Speaker 1: who I don't know if he even talks at all. Somebody.
Speaker 1: They are hanging out, they're they're disrespecting women, they're getting
Speaker 1: in fights, and then Will gets arrested for starting a
Speaker 1: fight with someone who used to beat him up in kindergarten.
Speaker 1: Kindergotten that guy used to beat me, having kid guy,
Speaker 1: And then yeah, he's mad. He's met the faculty at
Speaker 1: m I t puts another theorem on the board, and
Speaker 1: then two professors catch Will solving this one too, but
Speaker 1: he like runs away and he's like fuck you because
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you stupid janitor, get off the board, quick,
Speaker 1: quick graffiti ing our math homework. There's where I have
Speaker 1: to suspend my disbelief because I'm like, if, like, if
Speaker 1: there was a sexy janitor wandering the halls of a college,
Speaker 1: people would be noticing him, that would be wanting to know,
Speaker 1: or it was a vall cell before we've been I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like someone would have been like, who is
Speaker 1: sexy janitor? Sure? I think it was pre internet. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah this movie was made. Well have gotten hired,
Speaker 1: and then he would have gone viral being hot and
Speaker 1: he would have gone on to Ellen show, and then
Speaker 1: Ellen would have been like, I got your money, and
Speaker 1: he would have been like, oh money, and then quickly
Speaker 1: done an equation and Ellen would have been like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, are you get a math? And that's how
Speaker 1: this movie right? And then he looked like over a
Speaker 1: year later, I think it's a season two of American Vandal.
Speaker 1: There's like a hot janitor and everyone talks about like
Speaker 1: everyone at the school knows about hot janitor. So yeah that, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is pre done. Is their movie ideas busted?
Speaker 1: Now that sucks? Okay, I hope you feel good about that.
Speaker 1: Killed the pitch Okay, so sorry, Okay. So then Will
Speaker 1: and his friends go to this Harvard ba and then
Speaker 1: what they say and never heard that in my life.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Will basically has a
Speaker 1: dick measuring contest, but like with his brain with this
Speaker 1: Harvard boy with her, Yeah, it's a knowledge measuring contest.
Speaker 1: It impresses Skyler, that's many driver, so much that she
Speaker 1: gives Will Hunting her number. I Will say, Skyler has
Speaker 1: a friend that's a woman, yes, but who is where
Speaker 1: does she go? And what is her name? And does
Speaker 1: she say anything. So he has his hearing from when
Speaker 1: he got arrested a few days previous, and Professor Lambeau,
Speaker 1: who's quoting books, he's quoting books, he's defending himself. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't books, you know. My boys in the court
Speaker 1: a lot. And so Professor Lambeau, who has figured out
Speaker 1: who Will is at this point, convinces the judge to
Speaker 1: let Will go on two conditions. One that Will meets
Speaker 1: with this professor wants a week to do math stuff,
Speaker 1: and two that Will see a therapist. Right. Love that.
Speaker 1: So they go to trying to find a therapist who's
Speaker 1: gonna work for Will hunting. But he's not taking it serious. Joke, yes,
Speaker 1: the montage that's too long. Yeah. So then Professor Lambeau
Speaker 1: recruits his old old college roommate Sean McGuire, that is
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, who does not know what accent he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing. He is lost. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: from South Yeah, he's supposed to have the same which
Speaker 1: I like Robin will he was a great actor. I
Speaker 1: don't very Yeah, don't jump into my mentions about like, oh,
Speaker 1: dare you dump on a dead man? I'm like I
Speaker 1: do that every day. But there, but like it's so
Speaker 1: weird to be that, Like, why didn't he just try
Speaker 1: to do the accent that Matt Davie was doing. They're
Speaker 1: supposed to be from the same exacut I'll say, I'll
Speaker 1: say this, not all dialect coaches are made equal. So
Speaker 1: we don't know what went beyond the scenes. I mean
Speaker 1: he does some great Shakespearean lengthy manolone. Yeah, very good soliloquies.
Speaker 1: His his wife she is dead, His wife, she is dead. Yes,
Speaker 1: we know we learned this over and and guess what
Speaker 1: we have a question about. This is life done. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. But it was all worth it, and
Speaker 1: he loved her. That's so true, Like it was worth it.
Speaker 1: It was all worth it. I love how that is
Speaker 1: a central question of his Like do you think it
Speaker 1: was worth getting married if your wife died of cancer?
Speaker 1: Do you regret marrying her? True? Like, oh, like you
Speaker 1: can be a grown man and have the emotional maturity
Speaker 1: of the bag of like tostitos as we see goodwill
Speaker 1: Hunting have. So he's going to send the title. So
Speaker 1: he's so good, So Sean McGuire is He's not like
Speaker 1: the other therapist. It's not like the upper therapist. He
Speaker 1: assaults his clients during the violence, and he grabs him
Speaker 1: by the neck. And we can just sort of like
Speaker 1: put a pen in violence in this movie because it's
Speaker 1: one that needs to be pinned. It is everywhere. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know what, Will, You think you're
Speaker 1: so smart because you read a couple of books, but
Speaker 1: you're just a cute doesn't know anything about love or
Speaker 1: how to fuck goods. So you need to open up
Speaker 1: your feelings. So now the ball's and Will's court. You know,
Speaker 1: his approach is all over the place. It involves violence,
Speaker 1: it involves verbal harassment. Yeah, yeah, it involves off hours meetings,
Speaker 1: going to the park, close into my friendships. Well, if
Speaker 1: you're a good therapist, then it won't work a bad therapist,
Speaker 1: I think we all learned. Yeah, that's important. Um So
Speaker 1: then Will goes out with Skyler finally, and then he
Speaker 1: also keeps going to Robin Williams's character for therapy and
Speaker 1: he refuses to talk at first. Will does and so
Speaker 1: progress is slow, but he starts to get through. He's
Speaker 1: starting to make some breakthroughs. He's starting to get some
Speaker 1: job offers because he's doing all this math and he's
Speaker 1: really good trying to get him a job, yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of trying to like steal his shine a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's got that weird mentor really issuer ship where he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm helping you, but I also want to be You're Yeah,
Speaker 1: a good stealing performance and then things start to fall
Speaker 1: apart where he gets in a fight with Skyler. He
Speaker 1: tells her he doesn't love her because he's afraid of
Speaker 1: love and he's afraid of feeling still, and then she
Speaker 1: moves to California for med school. Will and Professor Lambeau
Speaker 1: getting a fight because Will doesn't really care about all
Speaker 1: this math stuff and having a job and everything like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, Lambeau thinks he's throwing his life away.
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck is like, dude, get your ship together. That's
Speaker 1: a good speech one where he's like, you gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. He's like, my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: day is is that when I think you might not
Speaker 1: be home, because you know, it's like literally beautiful. You're laughing,
Speaker 1: but it's beautiful and it comes back at the end,
Speaker 1: and it is a good actor. He's a damage math.
Speaker 1: He is a good actor. He's canceled, right, He's been
Speaker 1: really creepy with a bunch of like I can't get
Speaker 1: interviewers and stuff. Okay, I don't. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: thought that Matt Damon, like there is some weird ship
Speaker 1: with you. I don't, I don't, I think, I mean everything.
Speaker 1: It seems like everyone in this movie is canceled of
Speaker 1: the of the Boston bro friends. I mean especially I know,
Speaker 1: I know the story Yams, there's there's there's definitely some
Speaker 1: history that's not very good. Okay, yes, indeed for for
Speaker 1: both of them, they're for everyone, for literally everyone except
Speaker 1: Robert Williams. We hope we that we know I write.
Speaker 1: No one is saving anyway. So so Will's fighting with everyone.
Speaker 1: He and Robin Williams getting a fight because you know,
Speaker 1: Will Hunting is being a dick as per usual. But
Speaker 1: then Robin Williams is like, Will, you you're intimacy issues,
Speaker 1: you're abandonment, she is, it's not your fault. And then
Speaker 1: Well cries and he realizes that it's okay to have feelings.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's okay to not be okay. Sometimes when you cry,
Speaker 1: it's actually awesome. It's actually a good thing. This is
Speaker 1: this is like Will hunting a part of the movie
Speaker 1: that I like where it kind of veers into that
Speaker 1: like rare dad tear jerk or genre. I like Dad's
Speaker 1: Ee that movie. They're like, yeah, I like crying. I
Speaker 1: think Dad's for men to cry. I was joking earlier,
Speaker 1: but now I'm serious. I really am here for the
Speaker 1: men in this cause I believe that men should be
Speaker 1: able to have movies for them that are like this
Speaker 1: because they don't. I don't disagree, I do like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, this is sort of a story
Speaker 1: of a man learning to understand and like be able
Speaker 1: to talk to other men about it. I think that's nice.
Speaker 1: You did you sort of? I mean, the movie is
Speaker 1: horribly paced anyway, and so the end really just sort
Speaker 1: of does come at you like a freaking whirlwinds. But
Speaker 1: unlessen I don't want to, I don't want to cut
Speaker 1: your recap off. Go for it. We missed the well
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get into what we talk about mini. But
Speaker 1: when they start fighting, oh yeah, we'll talk all about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't you worry. So Wills like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: it's okay to have feelings. Then he gets a job
Speaker 1: so that he can get his life on track. But
Speaker 1: then he writes a nut. Then he writes a nut
Speaker 1: to Robin Williams, and he's like, screw the job, I
Speaker 1: gotta go see about a girl, which is the thing
Speaker 1: that Robin Williams said to him about him a baseball game.
Speaker 1: And then he dropped and Will drives to California to
Speaker 1: be with Skylar because she has moved there for med school.
Speaker 1: That's the end in the movie. We got to take
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we'll come back to discuss. Hey,
Speaker 1: welcome back. Hey, we're back. We're back. My exit gets
Speaker 1: worse than worse every time. Back on the back. I
Speaker 1: hope that I can be discovered as like a comedian
Speaker 1: or screenwriter, the way that Will is discovered as a
Speaker 1: math genius in this movie, where it's just like I'm
Speaker 1: writing a joke on a chalkboard and then someone walks
Speaker 1: up and they're like, oh my fucking god, this is
Speaker 1: the greatest joke I've ever seen, and then you run
Speaker 1: away like you and then they find me and I'm like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll be a comedian. Those are my hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1: Um so good Will hunting, Yes, listen the movie says
Speaker 1: he's good. He's good. He is. The movie says he's good.
Speaker 1: The movie says, so, Matt Damon and Matt Affleck both.
Speaker 1: I'm so that was really disrespectful. Literally, that was a
Speaker 1: ra They won an Oscar for writing. They did. Robert
Speaker 1: Williams won an Oscar for acting. He deserved it. There.
Speaker 1: I like he did, he did, he did, and that
Speaker 1: his monologues are great. He's so good. His dialect coach
Speaker 1: should be he's doing the correct accent. I would say
Speaker 1: about thirty percent of the time when he gets that
Speaker 1: thirty when he gets it right. Um. Something that I
Speaker 1: do want to say about them winning the writing Oscar
Speaker 1: is that they are the youngest Oscar winners for writing. However,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't know this. The
Speaker 1: movie was like heavily ghost written, Like they wrote a
Speaker 1: draft and it was horrible and they're taking it around
Speaker 1: and then a much more experienced screenwriter who refuses to
Speaker 1: take credit. They went, wait just because it's embarrassing or
Speaker 1: I don't know why he won't take credit. I think
Speaker 1: because he was like, um, I think it's William Goldman.
Speaker 1: He wrote Butch Cassidy and the sec Kid and Princess Bride. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was like their script doctor, and basically he
Speaker 1: there's like a thing where some somebody was like or
Speaker 1: like I guess like reportedly once was like, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a script doctor. I rewrote the entire thing from scratch,
Speaker 1: and then people were like, is that for real? And
Speaker 1: he was like, uh no, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. So I don't know why, like what it
Speaker 1: was about it, but basically he fixed the script and
Speaker 1: then made it active. I mean, I feel like that
Speaker 1: happens quite a bit in Hollywood, where like there's just
Speaker 1: a million people. Yeah, I mean yeah, but there's like
Speaker 1: and the only the reason I'm inclined to believe that
Speaker 1: because I don't want to negar boys or don't we
Speaker 1: don't want to negar boys that may or may not
Speaker 1: be canceled, I forget. Honestly, the reason I'm inclined to
Speaker 1: believe that someone else wrote this movie basically is because
Speaker 1: neither of them really go on to ever write anything
Speaker 1: ever again. Yeah, so you would think if they were
Speaker 1: good writers that I think Rob Reiner was like originally
Speaker 1: attached to direct it or something, or he knew them
Speaker 1: and like the script and so he's the reason why
Speaker 1: William Goldman was like, I'll take a look at this,
Speaker 1: so it really I don't also know like where they
Speaker 1: were in their careers where it was just like everybody
Speaker 1: thought that they were awesome. They had both done a
Speaker 1: couple things, but I think this movie really jump started
Speaker 1: them as like movie stars. This was like post Chasing
Speaker 1: Amy though, right, yeah, but those were pretty you know.
Speaker 1: That's like when it's like he's getting but he's like
Speaker 1: getting buzz and it's probably like he's like he's schmuzen.
Speaker 1: He's at these Hollywood parties, he's pool side, he's kicking it,
Speaker 1: he's meeting people, and he's like, I'm just a guy
Speaker 1: from Boston and everybody's like, that's what we do every weekend.
Speaker 1: Every weekend. I'm still at the pool side waiting for
Speaker 1: Rob Ryder to show up. Hasn't been there in years,
Speaker 1: but I'm there case he's gonna get a little hot.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a movie. It's called Good I
Speaker 1: Hunting and it's about me and I'm a perverted, abusive cook.
Speaker 1: Yeah I see, I mean Harvard and guess what I
Speaker 1: can read. But one thinks I can read and it's
Speaker 1: good you're good because it says because it's in the
Speaker 1: title um. And also it kind of sounds like maybe
Speaker 1: it could mean something or be a sentence, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's just my name. Surprise. I really thought this movie
Speaker 1: was about like hunting for goodwill, like the like the
Speaker 1: goodwill and people, and I did not realize that Will
Speaker 1: hunting is the name of the character. And do you
Speaker 1: get that it's such a clever turn of work. You
Speaker 1: should read the screenplay I wrote. It's about um World
Speaker 1: War two, and the main character's name is Shoot Gun
Speaker 1: And it's really sort of subversive um in the way
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't expect because because you hear the name
Speaker 1: shoot and you're like, oh, Shoot, I know tons of
Speaker 1: guys name Shoot and also tons of people with the
Speaker 1: last name Gun. But then you look at the movie
Speaker 1: overall and it's like, wait a minute, Oh, what's happening.
Speaker 1: We are shooting? Thank you? And oh my god, sorry
Speaker 1: that's a little advanced. It's a little bit of screening training.
Speaker 1: But then that's really the twist at the end of
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, is that actually the gun shoots itself.
Speaker 1: It's really good and it's coming out. It's a comment
Speaker 1: it's something. Yeah, it's so good at Bill hunting. Oh
Speaker 1: that wasn't directly connected to that weird or that your transition.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry your choice. So what So let's talk
Speaker 1: about the one woman character in the movie who is
Speaker 1: alive the point of the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, so we've
Speaker 1: got we've got Skyla. We've got Skyla to have it.
Speaker 1: She's British. Yeah, we love that. We know that she is, like,
Speaker 1: I think, a fourth year undergrad Harvard student. She's she's
Speaker 1: a woman instant about to she's hot. That's important. It's
Speaker 1: so rare for women, a woman in a movie who
Speaker 1: is hot, It's right, never heard of it. So she
Speaker 1: she's she meets sexy Janda. Yeah. I like how that
Speaker 1: that whole scene is. Ben Affleck's character goes up to
Speaker 1: hit on mini driver and her friend, and then the
Speaker 1: smart guy, like the Harvard guy, comes over. Has a ponytail. Yea,
Speaker 1: he fully has adult blondmaile adult don't trust him and
Speaker 1: don't trust him, do not trust him, flesh color hair
Speaker 1: is scary, but he so, so he comes over and
Speaker 1: then it turns into this where I think it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be this weird class war that's going on where
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, so fucking poor guy can't just go
Speaker 1: and harass women at the BA. But but smart guys
Speaker 1: kid And then it was like no, no, no again,
Speaker 1: but that's not that. This is America. Poor guys should
Speaker 1: be able to hit on a fucking woman, and so
Speaker 1: should smart guy. If I want to fucking harass a
Speaker 1: woman in the fucking street, whether I'm poor or rich,
Speaker 1: I should be able to do it. This is what
Speaker 1: afula fathers died. And then like, none of don't ask
Speaker 1: her what she wants to say. Had a dream that
Speaker 1: one day, regardless of color or cream, any man could
Speaker 1: harass a woman if he wanted to. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what you have to say
Speaker 1: about because I got it. Do you want to take
Speaker 1: this outside? So here's what drove me crazy about this scene.
Speaker 1: So he's, you know, he will is like quoting books.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, flexing his his knowledge brain and
Speaker 1: think your brain. Of all the people who are around
Speaker 1: Skyler in this moment, she is impressed by goodwill hunting.
Speaker 1: She's also not speaking from right. Women don't have I
Speaker 1: never talked. Actually, Sys actually has a podcast, so she
Speaker 1: gets her time and what she needs to and then
Speaker 1: she goes over to him forty five minutes later, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you're an idiot. I was waiting for forty
Speaker 1: five minutes for you to come talk to me, because
Speaker 1: you know, when you're hot and you go to Harvard
Speaker 1: and you're beautiful at your pre bed and you wait
Speaker 1: outside bars for almost an hour to talk to an
Speaker 1: evil man and he has no less than forty holes
Speaker 1: in his shirt in this scene. Yeah, we know that
Speaker 1: he has other clothes that don't have holes in them,
Speaker 1: Like why did he why? Anyway this? I mean, women
Speaker 1: are conditioned to like wait passively for a man to
Speaker 1: pursue them, especially in you know, like she does eventually
Speaker 1: go up to him. It's crazy than me that she's
Speaker 1: like waiting there for forty five minutes for him to
Speaker 1: talk to her. I think that that's just as like, oh,
Speaker 1: this screenplay was written by a bunch of dudes, and
Speaker 1: that's like not that's since they're like, oh, that's women
Speaker 1: to think of this all the time. When I'm at
Speaker 1: the butt, they're just sitting there being like I wish
Speaker 1: and then I just you know, I didn't think she
Speaker 1: was hot, so I didn't go out there, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like that's just like stupid writing. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: So then she approaches him, So I guess it's like
Speaker 1: good that we don't see a guy like aggressively wearing
Speaker 1: her down. That comes later. That's only when they're in
Speaker 1: does he start to become abusive, because she does. She
Speaker 1: does initiate a lot of stuff in the early half
Speaker 1: of their relationship. She like suggests the first kiss, I
Speaker 1: thought their date was really cute. I didn't hate it.
Speaker 1: I liked like the beginning of their relationship. I thought
Speaker 1: it was very she she tells a great jokes, that
Speaker 1: weird joke about a mouthful come. Yeah, I really, I
Speaker 1: mean it's weird. I thought the relationship was very cute
Speaker 1: at the beginning. It was nice, and I like I
Speaker 1: like her character too, Like I think she seems more
Speaker 1: well rounded than a lot of like romantic interest women
Speaker 1: in movies, especially at this time. She doesn't do like
Speaker 1: she doesn't drop everything the second she meets it, Like
Speaker 1: you know, she's like she's still doing her whatever. It's
Speaker 1: senior year. Yeah, she's having fun. She did her work.
Speaker 1: She still want to do her work, but she wants
Speaker 1: to have fun with a cute janitor. Yeah, we've all
Speaker 1: been there. We've all been there, We've all wanted to
Speaker 1: funk a hot janitor. And if you think you haven't,
Speaker 1: check again. You just didn't know that he was a custodian.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to spread that rumor about Boston. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a read a passage that you're gonna suck a janitor.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a genius. He's going to be
Speaker 1: emotionally abusive to you. I cannot watch any more movies
Speaker 1: about like a tortured white man who's also a genius. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has to be redeem Metrograph, New York City. You
Speaker 1: know what's up on on a seven day marathon of
Speaker 1: movies where white men are tortured geniuses and it's okay
Speaker 1: because they're smart. Uh. And then as it pertains to
Speaker 1: her character, Will starts to talk about her in therapy
Speaker 1: and he's like, she's beautiful, she's fun, she's intelligent. Like
Speaker 1: so he, you know, values her for things beyond her
Speaker 1: her beauty. Yeah. But then the like subtext of him
Speaker 1: saying that that, I was like, oh man, but it
Speaker 1: is in the world of this movie. I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they would say that. But he's sort of like,
Speaker 1: I feel like part of what you're saying. There's like
Speaker 1: she's got this British accent, and all the women around
Speaker 1: me sound fucking girls. And well he does say like
Speaker 1: she's different from all the most of the girls I've
Speaker 1: been with, which is like, she's not like the other girls.
Speaker 1: She's the salthy girls are made out to be like dumb,
Speaker 1: like late ninety like it's just like total there's some
Speaker 1: like yeah, there's a lot of like weird like classist,
Speaker 1: like if you're like working class or from a particular neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you're automatically like a fucking idiot. And then if yeah,
Speaker 1: but um so, then he says to Robin Williams, He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to go out with
Speaker 1: her again, because like, what if I realized she's not
Speaker 1: that smart and she's fucking boring. And this is him
Speaker 1: like not processing his feelings, which like he learns to
Speaker 1: do later, sort of what if she's like actually a
Speaker 1: little actually not that cute? What about that? And then
Speaker 1: this is when things fall apart in their relationship for me,
Speaker 1: when he starts to do her homework for her, so
Speaker 1: that like she has time to hang out with him.
Speaker 1: She's like, I got to learn this stuff, Like you
Speaker 1: can do my homework for me, Like it's a red flag.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, I mean I would accept that if
Speaker 1: I was dating a math okay to be fair, senior
Speaker 1: in high school, dated a guy who was really good
Speaker 1: at math, and I did let him do my homework
Speaker 1: once or twice. Oh my god, she's canceled. But her
Speaker 1: thing is like she keeps being like, I need to
Speaker 1: learn this. I'm going to medical school. I need to
Speaker 1: know how to do this stuff. I was going to
Speaker 1: dog school, dog University. Yeah, it's incredible. But he keeps like,
Speaker 1: you know, exerting his fucking brains power over her. And
Speaker 1: then and then it's the whole thing where she's like,
Speaker 1: moved to California with me, I love you, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't love you, and it's just because he doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to do his feelings yet. That so yeah,
Speaker 1: the context said that is that he had lied to her.
Speaker 1: He said he had twelve brothers and he had like Mikey, Tommy, Baby, Joli, Rabbie, Brian, Johnny, Mickey, Terry,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johny. I did like that they I think that
Speaker 1: they left that shot on Matt Damon so he would
Speaker 1: have to say it twice in a row, and he did.
Speaker 1: He earned that nomination. He didn't learn, he said, Mike.
Speaker 1: But uh so she finds out that he had lied
Speaker 1: about that, that he was in the foster system for
Speaker 1: a long time, had an abusive father in the foster system.
Speaker 1: We also learned the first thing we know about Mini
Speaker 1: Driver in a long time in this because in most
Speaker 1: scenes of them together, she's like so weird, like what
Speaker 1: is your deal? Like what is he doing? Like you
Speaker 1: so good at math, but like what are you? You know?
Speaker 1: And he never was hunting for and he never asked
Speaker 1: her about herself, so we don't find out really anything
Speaker 1: about other than like where she goes to school, and
Speaker 1: like we know a fair amount. But we find out
Speaker 1: and I think we don't learn about this before. But
Speaker 1: in that scene where the fight, she's like, well, my
Speaker 1: like the only reason that we find out she's rich,
Speaker 1: which we didn't technically know. We could have guessed, but
Speaker 1: what we find out and he's like, oh, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go with all the other fucking trust fund kids, which
Speaker 1: I've yelled at someone before and then they but then
Speaker 1: she's like, well, the only reason I have so much
Speaker 1: money is because my father passed away when I was thirteen,
Speaker 1: and he was like, whoa where did he not know that?
Speaker 1: He's never asked her anything about herself. Holding her up,
Speaker 1: he shoves her against a wall and then like slams
Speaker 1: his hands around next to her. Very scary it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's me and drivers really good in that scene though,
Speaker 1: She's like she's so scared and heartbroken and crying, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I kind of liked that scene.
Speaker 1: Not dating in real life, Oh you love when women
Speaker 1: get hurt. Okay, yeah, breaking news on the best Jesus lord,
Speaker 1: I'm taking over. I'm bringing movies for boys. Or they're
Speaker 1: kind to each other, um no, but it's really scared.
Speaker 1: But also they were dating in real life at the
Speaker 1: time of like making the movie and then doing press,
Speaker 1: and then they broke up. Interesting, so you know that's
Speaker 1: they'll make for some good act not that chemistry. And
Speaker 1: then the way their relationship and the movie basically ends
Speaker 1: is that he gives up everything that he's been working towards,
Speaker 1: basically to move across the country to be with her.
Speaker 1: Without telling her or calling her, he just drives straight
Speaker 1: to California. Also has barely apologized to her for how
Speaker 1: horrible he was. Has not he has he plans on
Speaker 1: showing up, yeah, which is like now textbook, do not
Speaker 1: do scary no, no more, just showing up please. But
Speaker 1: there there's like yeah, he tries to call her and
Speaker 1: then he gets he's like chicken ship and hangs up
Speaker 1: and then just decides he's going to uproot his entire
Speaker 1: life and come to her. And then she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: about to leave. I love you, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: take care. But like, but it's good because Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: is happy. Right. That is such a weird and that's
Speaker 1: how movie is good. Yeah. So actually if Ben haff
Speaker 1: like smile at the end or like it was forgiven right,
Speaker 1: the takeaway the argo that Affleck is happy at that
Speaker 1: bad movie, gone girl at the whole movie, and so
Speaker 1: thats a movie bad, very puffy, gone girl baby, gone
Speaker 1: gone girl baby, where's that movie mash up? Well, then
Speaker 1: probably smiled because he was directing it. That's the greatest.
Speaker 1: That's great. Smile as gifts Ben smile. But the takeaway
Speaker 1: from this romantic relationship that we've seen unfold is basically like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can treat women like ship as long as you
Speaker 1: make this big quote romantic gesture and then all will
Speaker 1: be forgiven. Which we have which, And it's also like
Speaker 1: we don't. We also don't see how it goes. We
Speaker 1: don't know, we can't. I hope that he gets there,
Speaker 1: and she's just like, no, you should you have to
Speaker 1: drive home a you know, I think it. I think
Speaker 1: it has to go horribly also because it's like he
Speaker 1: just has so much ship to figure out. But the
Speaker 1: way that she has written, she's way too accommodating, and
Speaker 1: the way that she has been written in this movie,
Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh my god, will you do love me?
Speaker 1: You've showing up your means you love me and we'll
Speaker 1: be together forever, because that's how this movie understands women
Speaker 1: to be. I don't disagree that it is too early
Speaker 1: in their relationship for him to move across the country
Speaker 1: to be with her. I also, and if I were
Speaker 1: in his position, I would have been like, let's try
Speaker 1: a long not I'm shoving you against a wall. And
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's like a lot of like they've
Speaker 1: got that class tension going, which is like an interesting
Speaker 1: there's like interesting elements to their relationship that ends up
Speaker 1: kind of either being really like treated like very not
Speaker 1: well by the movie or just end up kind of
Speaker 1: disappearing after a while. Ye Sell, what's going on with
Speaker 1: anybody got to answer me? Is selling? Okay? He does
Speaker 1: at least get at least three or four several minute monologues.
Speaker 1: I don't really know what he was saying in any
Speaker 1: of them. He I like that the movie is like, oh,
Speaker 1: and we also need to figure out our things okay
Speaker 1: with Stelling and Robin, and we're just like I truly
Speaker 1: could not care. Wait, oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: That whole plotline. There's like at least like fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: devoted to like these college roommate is going to be
Speaker 1: friends at the end of the day, You're like who
Speaker 1: because there was like a whatever, yeah, oh my god, random, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: awkward sauce. Random. There's also that whole long scene where
Speaker 1: we referenced it earlier that Matt Damon turns down a
Speaker 1: job at the n S. A ed gives a really
Speaker 1: long monologue about how he disagrees with the n S
Speaker 1: a yeah, sure, Like I you know, but why is
Speaker 1: that there? There's a lot of scenes that could have
Speaker 1: been cut. Part of the beauty of this movie is
Speaker 1: almost none of it needs to be there. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I think that at least,
Speaker 1: like many drivers, character is like rooted in the story.
Speaker 1: And but like she's kind of you could kind of
Speaker 1: argue her character is kind of there to like prove
Speaker 1: that he's quote unquote growing as a person, because his
Speaker 1: journey to like being able to love her is like
Speaker 1: kind of what all him and Robin Williams talk about.
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, he's got major his wife trope syndrome. His
Speaker 1: wife his wife is dead, which is in and that's
Speaker 1: like and the something that we know kind of what
Speaker 1: we love about him is that his wife is dead
Speaker 1: and he can't shut up about it. All men have
Speaker 1: dead lives. There's the meninistas bag. Actually not all men.
Speaker 1: Did you know? You have aviator shades on a little
Speaker 1: something about my boys there. But there's like it reminds
Speaker 1: me of like Ed Harris and The Rock where the
Speaker 1: whole like drive of this character is just like it's
Speaker 1: not as good as Ed Harris screaming at his wife's tombstone,
Speaker 1: and they're like, I loved you so fucking much. But
Speaker 1: it's just probably is talking about, you know, feveral character
Speaker 1: we never see. Even the only other female character in
Speaker 1: this movie is dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Well,
Speaker 1: Many Driver's friend like is like she's an extra. She's
Speaker 1: like extra thing. Come on, So I don't think I was.
Speaker 1: Come on. She says, one thing that changed the movie.
Speaker 1: I ripped open the spacetime conserum. She's like, yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: you're like feminist text. We did it. Sorry, Actually, too
Speaker 1: women talking this movie. So hunting go awful Hunting there's
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't get there.
Speaker 1: I I like it's too bad because I'd like the
Speaker 1: first half of the movie. I like Many Drivers character,
Speaker 1: and then I feel like they kind of sell her out.
Speaker 1: She's as many female characters in many movies, she exists
Speaker 1: to further characterize the male character. At last, she appears
Speaker 1: she robs his wife on screen. She is allowed to
Speaker 1: appear on the cutting room floor Vera for Mega as
Speaker 1: a ghost as young hop ghost wife alright, because she's
Speaker 1: she's a therapist and the departed. Her pulling over like
Speaker 1: the white She's over her head being like, she's like,
Speaker 1: why do you walking up out? She has the worst
Speaker 1: Boston accent that I've ever heard in my life. And
Speaker 1: it was something so easily in the script, scorse as
Speaker 1: it could have been, like, you know what, actually, you
Speaker 1: weren't born and raised in Boston. You came here from
Speaker 1: California and you went to be you and you've been
Speaker 1: here for fifteen years. Let's just say that. But she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm born and raised in Boston, Massachusets like when she
Speaker 1: truly and not even well, we got to take another
Speaker 1: quick break, but then will come right back, well fucking
Speaker 1: back back. The next thing that I think we should
Speaker 1: talk about, what should we talk about? Let's talk about
Speaker 1: a lot of solos in this movie should be mentioned,
Speaker 1: should be mentioned, our sort of shared history. Yes, let's
Speaker 1: bring it up. I mean, Jamie and I both notorious
Speaker 1: known in several circles, famously in a large way, played
Speaker 1: the elbow in high school. And I think it shows, honestly,
Speaker 1: which is crazy giving off major obo vibes. Do you
Speaker 1: you still have do you still have yours? It's back
Speaker 1: home in Boston. I've got I brought mine here just
Speaker 1: in case you never never know, but like, okay, when
Speaker 1: you hear the obo in movies, or you're like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that's me, you know, or I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: basically did that. Visibility is so important, so important. I
Speaker 1: feel more during an oboe solo in any movie than
Speaker 1: I did during any part of Black Panther. Incredible. And
Speaker 1: there's a character name I am in the movie and
Speaker 1: I was like, which was right now? I wish the
Speaker 1: character was an obo on screen, was a talking elbow,
Speaker 1: and I would have done it. So one thing that
Speaker 1: I think to give this movie some credit, Yes, I
Speaker 1: do appreciate that it is largely about a man recognizing
Speaker 1: that another man needs therapy, and then that man going
Speaker 1: to therapy, and then eventually embracing it and then like
Speaker 1: realizing that it's actually healthy and perhaps good to hunting
Speaker 1: to hunting. Yes, so I don't think there are many
Speaker 1: movies like that. The fact that this is a pretty
Speaker 1: well known, mainstream movie I think is good for that reason.
Speaker 1: I think the characters are still fairly toxic even after
Speaker 1: they've been through therapy. The way they get there is,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some bumps in the road. The way
Speaker 1: they get there, but I I yeah, I think like
Speaker 1: generally it's it is like it's like that dad, like
Speaker 1: that dad crying genre like forgiveness, men forgiving each other
Speaker 1: porn for for Dad's that they're like, oh shit, like
Speaker 1: I wish i've I could do that, but at least
Speaker 1: fucking mad Dammon did. Yeah. And I've said it before,
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Toxic masculinity stems largely from Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I know I'm in the presence of a meninist. I
Speaker 1: just stood up. What the fun is going on here? Here?
Speaker 1: A good will hunting bad in the ugly shirt. Um.
Speaker 1: The toxic masculinity stems at least in part from men
Speaker 1: not embracing their emotions or knowing how to process them.
Speaker 1: So a movie that encourages that is a good thing,
Speaker 1: because if we're going to dismantle the patriarchy, we need
Speaker 1: the cooperation of men, and they're not going to do
Speaker 1: that unless they can talk about their feelings. So that
Speaker 1: was my my good Will Hunting monologue. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's really important. I feel like and all my boys
Speaker 1: listening to this, pot you know what I'm talking about
Speaker 1: when you want to cry but you can't, so you
Speaker 1: just drink seven Monster Energy drinks in one Mountain dew
Speaker 1: Code orange, and then I have feels. It feels like
Speaker 1: a feeling. So so I hear you, but I counter that,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually right a movie about that. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Lucas Hedges plays the mountain dew Code orange, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Miles Teller is attached. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so much stays in place. The sun great. So the
Speaker 1: climax of the movie is smile so shoots himself into
Speaker 1: the sun. So it's the sun is so the World
Speaker 1: War two script that previously wrote and that will be
Speaker 1: coming out. This is actually um the way that the
Speaker 1: Avatar movies shout up boys um sort of like span
Speaker 1: several generations. That is what my movie about shoot Guard
Speaker 1: his family's legacy will also do. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a cinematic universe. Well I would say exactly that actually,
Speaker 1: So thank you for seeing it, love it? Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean any movie where a man goes into therapy
Speaker 1: and it and it and it works out for him,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like almost like the the like goofy,
Speaker 1: Like they're like, listen, if you want, if you want
Speaker 1: like the pussy in your life to cooperate with you,
Speaker 1: you just gotta go to therapy. And that is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, not not the best message, but I feel
Speaker 1: like if you're trying to appeal to men who are
Speaker 1: completely not open to therapy at all and are completely
Speaker 1: closed up the promise of sex at the end of
Speaker 1: the therapy road, I'm willing to tell that lie. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to prepare to write that lie is that sometimes
Speaker 1: it does work, though I mean many many driver even
Speaker 1: tries it. She's like, I'm not going to have sex
Speaker 1: with you again until you like introduce me to your
Speaker 1: friends and family. Basically like, unless you open up to
Speaker 1: me in some way, I'm going to withhold sex. I
Speaker 1: mean I've been there, I'm there right now. I'm still
Speaker 1: doing the sex strike. Yeah, I'm still doing the sex strike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's actually really awesome. I'm actually doing it because I'm
Speaker 1: a menentist. And then the way mental health is treated
Speaker 1: in this movie is kind of all over the place
Speaker 1: where you mean, doesn't your therapists throttle your throat whenever
Speaker 1: you challenge your therapists talk about themselves from justice every
Speaker 1: single what if you had a therapist? I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he like talks about his dead wife
Speaker 1: most of the time he's helping me. Well, they're of
Speaker 1: those few different moments where like the therapist montage when
Speaker 1: he's trying instead of like a dress trying on montage
Speaker 1: where we see in every movie about a woman. Instead
Speaker 1: we see a therapist trying on montage with goodwill hunting.
Speaker 1: But he's trying on different therapists. One of them calls.
Speaker 1: He's like, I can't do this. This guy is a
Speaker 1: raving lunatic, which is like not how well, the reason
Speaker 1: he does that is because of like a weird, bad
Speaker 1: gay joke that was written where Matt Damon is like, now,
Speaker 1: isn't I don't hate gay people? But I can I've
Speaker 1: clocked you, and you're like, I have a whole list
Speaker 1: of problematic things like that That gets said, But like,
Speaker 1: no therapist is going to be like, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: help this person. They're a raving lunatic. It's like, you
Speaker 1: only help normal people. How dare you bring somebody sick
Speaker 1: in of my off? Get out? Get out? It's like
Speaker 1: the medical diagnosis that the psychiatrist gives in the movie
Speaker 1: Halloween where he's like he's pure evil. It's like, this
Speaker 1: is not how medicine and mental health work. But um, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: here's my list of seven creepy, problematic stuff that is
Speaker 1: said by straight white men. And uh, the R word.
Speaker 1: The R word gets said several times. Um Stelen's Scars
Speaker 1: guard asks one of his female students if she would
Speaker 1: like to have a drink with him. A woman, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Robin Williams says to his class full of
Speaker 1: students who are wanting to become therapists, quote, if your
Speaker 1: clients don't trust you, you'll never get them to sleep
Speaker 1: with you. And that should be the goal of any
Speaker 1: good therapist. Nail them while they're vulnerable. That's my motto.
Speaker 1: And then everyone laughs. And in the movie it's framed
Speaker 1: was like he's trying to get their attention again because
Speaker 1: they're like falling asleep. But like, don't make that joke
Speaker 1: to students. Bunker Bunker Hill, So I like, that's actually
Speaker 1: kind of near where I loved Okay, it's kind in
Speaker 1: high school. It's all right. Will calls Skylar but doesn't
Speaker 1: say anything on the phone, and then she says, Professor Valenti,
Speaker 1: are you trying to call me again? So apparently there
Speaker 1: are several different professors in this movie who are harassing
Speaker 1: young women, hereditary professors, um Stale, syd Robin Williams are
Speaker 1: talking about an Indian man and they say they make
Speaker 1: that awful joke which is still being used by comedians today,
Speaker 1: uh Indian dot not feather. A few more, Robin Williames
Speaker 1: is talking about having a lottery ticket that will cover
Speaker 1: his tab at a bar, and then he says, Oh,
Speaker 1: it might not cover my tab, but it will cover
Speaker 1: your sex change operation. Why would he say that? Why
Speaker 1: is that a line of dialogue? Give them the trophy?
Speaker 1: And then finally, because even though this movie is about
Speaker 1: you know, like men coming to terms with their feelings
Speaker 1: and learning how to process them, Will and his therapist
Speaker 1: hug at the end, and then Will Hunting says, does
Speaker 1: this violate the doctor patient relationship? And Robin Williams says no,
Speaker 1: only if you grab my ass, which like, okay, you
Speaker 1: ruined a nice moment anyway. So that was my list
Speaker 1: of why was this written into the movie. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean that's like so much of the movie really specific
Speaker 1: of you to have a list. I I think that
Speaker 1: it is. This movie, as far as I know, it
Speaker 1: is not like as popular as it once was. I
Speaker 1: don't think people really go other than people from Boston
Speaker 1: are homesick and want to see a version of where
Speaker 1: they grew up that never existed. Uh, it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like it's really endured. Like I don't think teenagers are
Speaker 1: watching Good Times. I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But it did like propel those two guys to like start,
Speaker 1: We're stuck with them, for sure, we're stuck with them. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So those are kind of all my thoughts
Speaker 1: on the movie. Anyone else have any final thoughts. I
Speaker 1: think that Matt Damon is using most of the janitorial
Speaker 1: supplies incorrectly. The way he holds a broom, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's correct. The way he is mopping as someone
Speaker 1: who's mopped a lot of mops, Yeah, he's a bad mopper. Well. Also,
Speaker 1: clearly everyone who wrote this movie has never been to
Speaker 1: therapy either, Like, never been to therapy college, I had
Speaker 1: a job a bar. There's lots of experience and healthy
Speaker 1: relationship not been had. But we're written by in this movie. Um. Yes.
Speaker 1: My final thought, um, ghost socks, they're oh ship the
Speaker 1: person I love, I love and bruins. I respect the socks,
Speaker 1: of course, but I did think it gets a little
Speaker 1: bit crowdy. I'm all about the pats your pets. I'm
Speaker 1: a patsy, a pantsy. Go oh cool. I love bruins,
Speaker 1: I love a fucking Joe Thornton and in all of
Speaker 1: his who Celtics go ahead. Speaking of talking about man,
Speaker 1: does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah? Um, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. We have a scene with two women, Mini
Speaker 1: Driver and Robin Williams's wife's ghosts played by Vera Farmega,
Speaker 1: and the and the scene where they talk about bomp
Speaker 1: and they talk about Mini's medical career and how proud
Speaker 1: Vera Farmega is of many drivers. Is um a decision
Speaker 1: to go to California. This is after the breakup with
Speaker 1: will Um and she's having a really hard time and
Speaker 1: her best friend, who's a ghost, comforts her and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you, and she's like thank you,
Speaker 1: and then she's like what got you interested in medicine?
Speaker 1: And then Mini tells her and they hug and and
Speaker 1: they're like I'm going to get each other. It's really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I love yeah, because we remember that's a
Speaker 1: great senior. Remember. Let me ask a question. Does it
Speaker 1: pass the Bechto tests? Yes? If? Yeah, because if Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck's first words in the movie are screaming at a
Speaker 1: woman across the bar, Kathy, why didn't you give me
Speaker 1: none of that nasty COUCHI wouchi you usually throw at me?
Speaker 1: Does that pass the Bechto tests? Yes? Oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: I thought she claps back. Yeah, uh feminist win. She
Speaker 1: says fuck you and you're tout real dick. I guess
Speaker 1: she is. The other named female characters. Matt Damon says
Speaker 1: like hi, Kristen or something like that to a woman
Speaker 1: at the bar. But yeah, these are very tertiary characters
Speaker 1: this movie was producing. That's how you see women in
Speaker 1: film as tertiary characters. And I feel bad then, I
Speaker 1: really just then it's that's a lot. I'm the meninace now.
Speaker 1: Also very famously a Weinstein Brothers joint. We've covered a
Speaker 1: lot of Weinstein max uh ten million dollar budget, two
Speaker 1: million people love this movie, A hundred million tickets ticket.
Speaker 1: I used to be a trust fund baby, but I
Speaker 1: blew it on hunting tickets in theaters. Theaters. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: rate the movie in our nipples scale. Yeah, alright, so
Speaker 1: five five nipples a great portrayal of women, feminist win yes,
Speaker 1: zero nipples bad bad bad bad will hunting bad villion.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this, I guess one nipple because
Speaker 1: I do like Mini Driver's character. I do like that
Speaker 1: we get to know a little bit about her. She
Speaker 1: seems like a fairly okay she seems she seems okay
Speaker 1: at first, and then the movie does sell her out
Speaker 1: and she can. She starts being treated very badly by
Speaker 1: the man that she loves, but it's fine because he
Speaker 1: drives across the country without letting her know, so that
Speaker 1: doesn't bode well. I do appreciate that the movie is
Speaker 1: about a man's like emotional journey, and even though he
Speaker 1: still ends up being pretty toxic by the end, he's
Speaker 1: demonstrated at least some emotional growth. And I and for
Speaker 1: nine seven, I think that was pretty ground break. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: truly like a man going to therapy in a movie
Speaker 1: in the ye. Clearly people found it very brave, and
Speaker 1: although like I said, I just simply do not have
Speaker 1: the patients for stories about mediocre white men who are
Speaker 1: actually also geniuses don't care. So yeah, I'm gonna, I mean,
Speaker 1: one nipple sounds like too much, I'm gonna go down
Speaker 1: to a half nipple. And I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: to Kathy for not giving her Couchi wouchi to nasty
Speaker 1: and also Kathy, in her defense for visibility of nasty
Speaker 1: couchi Wochi does not say no, no, no, my kuchi
Speaker 1: wuchi is not nasty. She maybe is like, yeah it is,
Speaker 1: and I'm fine with that and I'm fucking proud, and
Speaker 1: I was like, my name is Kathy, and like, couchi
Speaker 1: wich is absolutely disgusting. Feminism is the law now, um
Speaker 1: so so I will. I will give this a one.
Speaker 1: I think I like Minny Driver's character for most of it.
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, I hope for better for her in
Speaker 1: the future, Um, when Matt Damon is going the hell
Speaker 1: off about like yeah, and then then the future you're
Speaker 1: gonna marry some other guy. Are you gonna talk about
Speaker 1: how you fuck the janitor once? And I'm like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I hope that that's what happens for her. I hope
Speaker 1: she moves on quickly and she finds a different kind
Speaker 1: of douche bag at Stanford. You know, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: plenty out there to a whole different genre. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it's it seems like it's like the token female character
Speaker 1: in the all male movie, but you know Matt Damon
Speaker 1: goes to therapy. Uh, and it is I Like I
Speaker 1: feel like it's just like indicates that's like, oh, we
Speaker 1: need more like dad cry movies. It is like I
Speaker 1: feel like dads get a release out of this. That
Speaker 1: that is like maybe why the movie has even remotely
Speaker 1: endured other than like Boston and men can cry during
Speaker 1: the movie and people like me who are horny for
Speaker 1: horrible bos there and but it's like you get there,
Speaker 1: there is like value to it with with that. Uh
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe just a better, better version of
Speaker 1: a movie that that your dad can feel comfortable crying
Speaker 1: too and think about all his regret. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: was like, if my dad was watching this movie, he
Speaker 1: would be thinking about his regrets the entire movie, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know he needs he needs to be doing that.
Speaker 1: So it's really all guy. Yeah, but for this is
Speaker 1: not this is not I'll say it, it's not a
Speaker 1: feminist text. But you know what, I'll say it. I agree,
Speaker 1: I'll give it one nasty COUCHI WOUCHI and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: also going to give it to Kathy Great. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: you feel. Um, this is tricky, this is tough. This
Speaker 1: is score that I give in no way reflects my
Speaker 1: beliefs on the meninist community, to which I am deeply connected. Um, however,
Speaker 1: it's not very it's not very kind to women. It's
Speaker 1: not very kind of women at all. And poor Mini
Speaker 1: Driver's character really just suffers and suffers again. Um, she
Speaker 1: just like loses any sense of character, which is a bummer,
Speaker 1: even though Robin Williams's dead wife is probably one of
Speaker 1: the most fleshed out characters, just because we know that
Speaker 1: starring her sleep right, that is more we know. So
Speaker 1: so you tell me, Um, we know a lot about
Speaker 1: Cathy lady. Na Um, but I think, but they'll score.
Speaker 1: Why I gotta give. I gotta go, I gotta go
Speaker 1: point five? Yeah yeah, oh and that's again and all
Speaker 1: the women get harassed. Wait, I gotta go. I think
Speaker 1: I might go oh zero, Okay, I still will be
Speaker 1: watching the movie. The thing is, I get clear, I'm
Speaker 1: addicted to that movie. I just know everything that happens
Speaker 1: that it feels good to watch. That's the point of
Speaker 1: the podcast. You're still allowed to love the things you love,
Speaker 1: even if they're you know, bad will Hunting. But you know,
Speaker 1: we just encourage people to examine the media critically that
Speaker 1: they consume that feels good. I'm gonna go home and
Speaker 1: watch it, but I'm going to be playing it on
Speaker 1: mute and on surround sound. I'm going to be playing
Speaker 1: Chris Brown and R. Kelly Sons at the same time
Speaker 1: on full blasts until my ears bleed. And so knowing
Speaker 1: that I have the safety to do that makes me
Speaker 1: feel really kind of like a Wizard of a Dark
Speaker 1: Side of the Moon. And that's exactly but with Hunting
Speaker 1: and um An, R Kelly Chris Brown collab right right, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, this is a safe space. Well I oh,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Do you want
Speaker 1: to come over to do that with you? To watch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be there, yeah, okay, obviously anytime you seem like
Speaker 1: you're sitting in your seat still, oh, here we go
Speaker 1: here company, Yeah, okay, cool, Just of the plot. I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I think this could be
Speaker 1: a really fun, cool idea. Okay, all right, I'll just
Speaker 1: like hell first, I'll just meet you guys in my
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Speaker 1: thanks for listening, Jamie. Yeah, how do you like them apples?
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here, ship, all right, I
Speaker 1: gotta take my nasty couci wuchi back on home. Okay,
Speaker 1: bye bye