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Speaker 1: Two words practicing today. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Danny Surrek joins me. Kyler Murray was on the practice

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Speaker 1: field for the first time in ten months. We've got

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Speaker 1: the details. Plus Buddha Baker was back practicing all kinds

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Speaker 1: of good news on a Wednesday. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode six eighty seven, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Budda Baker?

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Speaker 2: What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 1: so more urry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: The tweet was since at nine fifty four am. It

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Speaker 1: was two words from the accounts of Kyler Murray practicing today.

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Speaker 1: A couple of seconds later, head coach Jonathan Gannon walked

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Speaker 1: into the interview room and made it official Murray and

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker would be out on the practice field on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: So a good Wednesday. Here at the Dignity Health Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals training center.

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Speaker 3: We're talking practice, Craig.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're talking practice, Danny.

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Speaker 3: Poor Buddha Baker just completely overshadowed by Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: How about that any other week that you lose the

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Speaker 1: heart and soul of your team, let alone your own defense,

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Speaker 1: And that's all Anyone is going to be focused on.

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker much loved to Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get to Buddha. But obviously everyone is focused

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Speaker 1: on K one designated to return from PUP, Baker designated

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Speaker 1: return from IR. Now everyone will speculate, which we will

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Speaker 1: hear as well on Cardinals Covered two presented by Hundai,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. It's one thing to

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Speaker 1: practic is another thing to play in a game.

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Speaker 3: This is speculation, but I would almost guarantee everything that

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Speaker 3: I own that Kyler Murray will not be activated and

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Speaker 3: play Sunday in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I will back that bed up.

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Speaker 3: So we'll just do everything cradown if we're wrong. It

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Speaker 3: just realistically, Kyler Murray is going to need a few

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Speaker 3: weeks of practice under his belt. It's one thing to

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Speaker 3: take mental reps and watch this scheme throughout the off season.

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Speaker 3: Throughout the first couple of weeks throughout the season when

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Speaker 3: you're not the one out there practicing. So I would imagine,

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Speaker 3: probably similar to zach Ertz, maybe a few weeks before

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Speaker 3: we see Kyler Murray. The Cardinals have three weeks for

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Speaker 3: both Murray and Baker to activate them to the fifty

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Speaker 3: three man roster, which in turn is how they could

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Speaker 3: become active on game days. Now, if the three weeks

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Speaker 3: be on the fifty three man roster but be inactive.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that happening. I think if your

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Speaker 3: goal going to designate Kyler Murray to return off pup

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Speaker 3: to where he can start practicing, you probably have a

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Speaker 3: pretty good chance that three weeks is probably enough for

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Speaker 3: him to be game ready. Personally, I don't even know

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Speaker 3: that it'll take three weeks. I think there's a chance

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Speaker 3: that Murray plays against the Baltimore Ravens the next home game.

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Speaker 1: Wow, because let's remember, he has done nothing since December

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Speaker 1: twelfth as far as football activities, and there is a

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Speaker 1: big difference between being in shape, which Kyler is. He's

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Speaker 1: in phenomenal shape. It's another thing to be in football shape.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But when we're talking about Murray, similar to Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 3: I just think he is one of those freak athletes

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Speaker 3: And that's not to say that the you know, everyone

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Speaker 3: or anything. I don't know. I again, I could be

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Speaker 1: All right, So that is two weeks missing Seattle but

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Speaker 1: playing the following week on October twenty ninth. That is

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Speaker 1: just six total practices. Because everyone focuses on the twenty

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Speaker 1: each week practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and a walkthrough on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: So in your scenario, Denny, that's just six practices and

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying there's a chance it wouldn't would be Yeah,

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Speaker 1: There is no familiarity with his starting center though, yelled

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Speaker 3: Especially since we know that Kyler Murray is going to

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Speaker 3: so absolutely that's going to play a role.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is six practices in your scenario,

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Speaker 1: two weeks enough time for Kyler Murray. Again, it's not

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Speaker 1: has never been will be asked to be under center,

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Speaker 1: at least that's our expectation this much. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: went back fotball reference dot com. Murray under center a

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Speaker 1: total of nine times last season. That covers ten games,

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Speaker 1: in his career. Josh Dobbs. Already this season, Danny, He's

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Speaker 3: Who's to say that they have to put Kyler muran

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Speaker 1: That's a fair point.

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Speaker 3: Look, I've come on here, You've brought up I have

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Speaker 1: That would be one of the better, maybe the best

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I'm actually you say two weeks. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: looking more at the Atlanta Falcons game on November twelfth,

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Speaker 1: so that it would be missing three games, full three weeks,

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Speaker 1: but you're looking at more practice time a total of

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Speaker 1: So he hasn't had any football activities whatsoever outside of

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Speaker 1: And today during the limited amount that we got to see,

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Speaker 3: The physical side of Kyler Murray going through football drills,

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Speaker 3: But it reminds me of what Garrett Williams was saying

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Speaker 3: week after week. I still think, look, Kyler Murray's gonna

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Speaker 3: for whatever game he comes back. There's no question in

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Speaker 3: my mind there. But when you're discussing, okay, well, scheme wise,

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Speaker 3: talking about the chemistry that plays being run, even if

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Speaker 3: still your best option at quarterback. That's not a knock

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Speaker 3: on Josh Dobbs. I think some people forget how impressive

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Speaker 3: all talk about, but the accuracy given. Yes, last season,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't there the way it has been in the past.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray gives your best shot to win. So even

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Speaker 3: if you're not ready to have the full offensive scheme

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Speaker 3: even if you have to make some adjustments that first

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Speaker 1: I totally accept that. Yet at the same time, it's

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Speaker 1: not this season. It's not about this season. If you

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Speaker 1: believe that Kyler Murray is your long term solution at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: then I would give him a little bit more time

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Speaker 1: to see Kyler Murray on the field this season. Now,

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Speaker 1: how many games do you need to see him play? Four, eight, ten,

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Speaker 1: You just need to see and figure out, Okay, are

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Speaker 3: Right, and that's what you're having to do. Game reps

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Speaker 3: get those full reps. Obviously, in practice, he's not under pressure.

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Speaker 3: In practice, he's not you know, it's very different. So

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Speaker 3: I think that's where we differ. Where I would rather

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Speaker 1: I want him to be comfortable. And maybe that's not

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Speaker 1: the entire playbook. To your point, okay, this is what

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Speaker 1: will let you do this week and then add to it. Yet,

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Speaker 1: now are you sacrificing everyone else in that locker room

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Speaker 1: because the other fifty two players they don't care about

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Speaker 1: next year, they don't care about next week, They care

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Speaker 1: Murray is more talented, much higher ceiling than the Josh Doobbs.

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Speaker 1: You think Kyler runs as much as he did or

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, the type of competitor and athlete that

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Speaker 3: To me, I understand when that question came up, or

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Speaker 3: I think at some point you're just going to have

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Speaker 3: You're going to have to start splitting that at practice.

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Speaker 3: Who knows when media left, maybe things were different at

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Speaker 3: some point, though, that's going to take priority of getting

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Speaker 1: I just I can't see it within these two weeks.

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Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head around that's okay.

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Speaker 3: You've been hanging around with Darren for way too long.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say pessimistic. I think i'd be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more realistic than so you're you're you're optimistic, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Darren's pessimistic, You're realistic. I'm realistic.

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Speaker 3: What's Paul Paul? Who?

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Speaker 1: Paul's off in his own little world, right. I just

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Speaker 1: it takes an entire offseason. I get that, but there

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Speaker 1: when you haven't done anything taken a snap, rolled left,

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Speaker 1: what this offense is predicated upon. He hasn't done any

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Speaker 3: Right, But that's how he gets comfortable. Again, I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying you put him out sooner than he might be ready,

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Speaker 3: Even if Kyler had been ready to go week one,

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Speaker 3: we still would have had expectations of a learning curve,

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Speaker 3: it might take a few weeks for him to feel

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody, at least I should just be

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Speaker 3: speaking for myself. I don't have the expectation that Kyler

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Speaker 3: he were healthy at this point six or seven games in.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a legitimate learning curve, and I think

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Speaker 3: they're going to ramp him in with some of these

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Speaker 3: new pieces from the scheme, and then when they do that,

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Speaker 1: I do hope many of the fans have that grace

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Speaker 3: You guys have been begging for Kyler Murray to return.

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Speaker 3: You better take what you get. You better be friendly

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Speaker 3: about it. You better be excited about it. You can

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Speaker 1: But give him enough time. First impressions are important, but

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Speaker 1: three games, especially in your scenario, Danny. If he's playing

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Speaker 3: There's a chance, Craig, I'm just saying there's a chance.

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Speaker 1: Zero chance. Though for this Sunday we're both in agreement

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Speaker 1: up on the injury report. I was talking with Darren,

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Speaker 1: Now he has to show up on the injury report

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: For gamesmanship purposes, Yes, Seattle Seahawks, because now all of

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Speaker 1: and you would think that, you know, you'd say whatever

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Speaker 1: we're preparing. But realistically, I don't believe the Seahawks think

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Speaker 3: No, there's no way. You know what It takes me

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Speaker 3: back to Week one. Do you think Washington realistically thought

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It would have been nice to have heard from Kyler

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Speaker 1: To me, it feels kind of normal. It's been a

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Speaker 3: I understand that. Look, it is a big day that

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Speaker 3: But I get that the big day is going to

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Speaker 1: Now I will agree with you on this that when

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Speaker 3: But okay, okay, we get it, Craig, we agree to disagree.

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Speaker 3: We can have different we can we can vary on

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I see it going into Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Of uh, you know what, Let's wait one more week

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Speaker 1: And I do not believe whether the Cardinals were six

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Speaker 1: now I set back here there, sure, but nothing on

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Speaker 3: going to shake out up until this point. His health

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Speaker 3: at zach Ertz. Seems like the pretty similar timeline of

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Speaker 3: what we are seeing from Kyler Murray. Different from the

437
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Speaker 3: rookie Garrett Williams who tore his acl last October a

438
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Speaker 3: year and when he started practicing with the Cardinals. But

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Speaker 3: it just kind of seems like the right timing typically

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Speaker 3: for Kyler Maurice to return.

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Speaker 1: Now, all right, let's see if we can get on

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Speaker 1: the same page when it comes to Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker love there for it.

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Speaker 1: I fully expect number three to be on the field

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Speaker 1: this Sunday. Okay, so we're in agreement with that.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine how difficult it has been for

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker to not play five weeks just from what

448
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Speaker 3: we've seen previous years of the shoulder, the ankle, everything

449
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Speaker 3: he has played through. To not be able to play

450
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Speaker 3: through a hamstring, I'm not sure there's going to be

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Speaker 3: anybody with more energy or excitement on the field Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Plus, it's Seattle week and it's the hometown team for

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Speaker 1: someone who loves playing in that building, in that stadium.

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Speaker 1: Now he's missed five games, four of which on IR

455
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Speaker 1: because of a hamstring injury. My guess is based off

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Speaker 1: the fact that he did go on IR, this was

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Speaker 1: a severe injury at least Buddha Baker standards, because remember

458
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Speaker 1: not too long ago, he was ruled out on a

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Speaker 1: Monday because of a high ankle. Spring showed up and

460
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Speaker 1: practice on Thursday, game on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: So I had the game ceiling interception in that game

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Speaker 3: in last.

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Speaker 1: So again you don't put anything past number three. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's been five games and it's just

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Speaker 1: seeing him around the locker room during the open portion

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Speaker 1: to the media the last week. Didn't see him earlier

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, but last week Thursday, Friday, he would pop

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Speaker 1: in one. He's moving fine. He was moving fine during

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Speaker 1: practice during the open portion on Wednesday, but he had

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a pep inist step. He

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Speaker 1: was smiling, he wasn't disappointed. It seemed like he knew

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Speaker 1: it was close, meaning this week, and then all right,

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Speaker 1: all I need, guys, I had a full off season,

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Speaker 1: I had training camp, I had preseason. I only need

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Speaker 1: three practices. Heck, he's played without any practice time. So

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Speaker 1: I do think again, not knowing anything but just reasoning

477
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Speaker 1: and reading the tea leaves a little bit. And again,

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Speaker 1: the fact that's the Seahawks on Sunday. I can't see

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Speaker 1: him missing this game.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be so great to see Baker back out there,

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Speaker 3: even if Jalen Thompson is not out there. He's nursing

482
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Speaker 3: a hamstring injury. Thompson wasn't placed on IR. He's only

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Speaker 3: missed one game. We didn't see him out there for

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Speaker 3: the open portion of Wednesday's practice. If you can get

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Speaker 3: both of them back, holy smokes. Even having Buddha Baker

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Speaker 3: alone doesn't just elevate the safeties. I'm talking about the

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Speaker 3: whole secondary. It is no secret that the cornerbacks have

488
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Speaker 3: been getting picked on. Marco Wilson, Kee Troll Clark, Antonio Hamilton,

489
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Speaker 3: has been out there, whoever it may be, they're getting

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Speaker 3: picked on. And I had asked Nick Rowlis earlier in

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Speaker 3: the week what getting Buddha Baker does for the rest

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Speaker 3: of the defense, not just the leadership and the energy

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Speaker 3: in the effort that we know he brings, but his

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Speaker 3: skill set, and Rallis had said pretty much, I'm this

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Speaker 3: his words, but I took it as pretty much, Budda

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Speaker 3: Baker's like an eraser. Any sort of problems you have,

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker is going to be there to help clean

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Speaker 3: them up and fix them. And that's going to give

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Speaker 3: support out wide to the cornerbacks who frankly really need

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Speaker 3: that support right now.

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Speaker 1: Rallis called him an eliminator, so I was pretty close.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing, but just as far as the

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Speaker 1: word that rawlis used, but it's a perfect one because

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker eliminates mistakes, eliminates takeaways, as far as getting

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Speaker 1: that football away from your opponent and then to your point, Danny,

506
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that back in whether it's

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Speaker 1: the corners or the safeties, you have maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit better When I say better communication, I mean quicker

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Speaker 1: communication to where you're not having maybe that deep shot

510
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Speaker 1: to begin the second half that we've seen against the Bengals,

511
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Speaker 1: against the Rams, maybe that gets taken care maybe it's

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Speaker 1: still completed, but instead of his sixty plus yard play,

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Speaker 1: it's now a twenty plus yard play because it's hard

514
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Speaker 1: to stop everyone on offense, and then you're not having

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Speaker 1: maybe as many misstackles. Maybe those runs to the second

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Speaker 1: and third level stay at the first level this time,

517
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Speaker 1: and then just having him just kind of settles everything

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Speaker 1: in front of him as your last line of defense.

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Speaker 3: He's a game changer. How many times have we sat

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Speaker 3: in this podcast studio and said, I wonder how different

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Speaker 3: this game would have looked if you had BUDDA Baker

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Speaker 3: back there. When you're seeing these receivers Jamar Chase, Cooper

523
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Speaker 3: Cup go off on the Cardinals, you're thinking it's hypothetical,

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Speaker 3: But we know what would look different if Baker were

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Speaker 3: out there, and so it's a huge relief. It's a

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Speaker 3: huge help to get him assuming right where he's just practicing.

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Speaker 3: He's been designated to return. He also has a three

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Speaker 3: week window the Cardinals will have to activate him to.

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Speaker 1: The As far as our conversation serve for.

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Speaker 3: Bed Baker it's like a one day window, so there

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Speaker 3: are still you know, some some procedures that have to

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Speaker 3: be done. Were're saying, you know, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: out there in Seattle, but from what we know about

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker, it seems incredibly likely that we will see

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Speaker 3: him out there.

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Speaker 1: It would help, especially if JT doesn't play, missing the

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Speaker 1: second game, and then Antonio Hamilton, who injured is growing

538
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Speaker 1: in the second half against the Rams. He was not

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Speaker 1: out at practice during the open portion on Wednesday, and

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Speaker 1: you're losing someone that can play in the slot. You

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Speaker 1: get Buddha, then you can put Jalen Thompson back in

542
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Speaker 1: the slot and maybe things look a little bit better

543
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Speaker 1: than they have in that secondary. It has been interesting

544
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Speaker 1: to see and notice that key Trell Clark's playing time

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Speaker 1: has dwindled each of the last three weeks. He is

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Speaker 1: still starting outside that one game in which he didn't start,

547
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Speaker 1: But is snap count how many times we see him

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Speaker 1: on the football field? So does that change or is

549
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Speaker 1: that just because of the nature of the opponent. But

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Speaker 1: you went from number two corner to now all of

551
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Speaker 1: a sudden and maybe you're number two, maybe you're number three.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of depending who we have available, and if

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Speaker 1: you don't have Antonio, then yeah, you do need to

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Speaker 1: play Key Trell because you really don't have many other options.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, not to take away from the work

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Speaker 3: Key Trow Clark has put in to become a starter,

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Speaker 3: I think he has just kind of put in this

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Speaker 3: situation based off the personnel. When you're looking at the

559
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Speaker 3: depth of cornerbacks. We've been talking about that since the

560
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Speaker 3: off season that there really hasn't been much. Truthfully, I

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Speaker 3: think if you had other options, you know, veterans, I

562
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Speaker 3: think we could be having the same discussion on if

563
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Speaker 3: Marco Wilson would still be your starter. And that's not

564
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Speaker 3: to say that they are not good. We've talked about

565
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Speaker 3: how not every play, not every touchdown has been on

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Speaker 3: those two. But you're pretty much rolling with what you've

567
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Speaker 3: got at this point. And so for a rookie, for

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Speaker 3: Clark to already have the challenges you have as a

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Speaker 3: rookie and then to go out there and starting and

570
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Speaker 3: while those are great reps, you don't want to keep

571
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Speaker 3: getting picked on and making mistakes. And the staff has

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Speaker 3: to make the decision of Okay, who's a liability and

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Speaker 3: who's not.

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Speaker 1: All right. One more thing regarding the SEC because, in

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Speaker 1: addition to everything else that happened on Wednesday, the team

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Speaker 1: did release running back Tony Jones Junior, which opens up

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Speaker 1: a second roster spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna predict that Garrett Williams plays in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you are exactly what I was thinking. One

580
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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker returns. That's one roster spot and Garrett Williams,

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Speaker 1: who still has until next week before you have to

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Speaker 1: make that decision keep him on NFI or put him

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Speaker 1: on the active roster. Then you can make him inactive

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Speaker 1: if you don't think he's ready. But is this the

585
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Speaker 1: week that we get Garrett Williams, which could also help

586
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Speaker 1: keep Treil Clark? And then if you do not have

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Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton, I.

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Speaker 3: Do think you see Garrett Williams. And again I don't

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Speaker 3: I don't know that you see Williams out there as

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Speaker 3: a true corner, don't. I don't know that he'd come

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Speaker 3: in and start over Clark by any means. I would

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Speaker 3: see him more getting those snaps as slot corner, maybe

593
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Speaker 3: nickel kind of depending on how you have to Baker.

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Speaker 3: So how does that change the way you're able to

595
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Speaker 3: use your other safeties of Andre Sascheray Cavon Wallace right,

596
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Speaker 3: those players who have been filling in for Baker and Thompson.

597
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Speaker 3: I would see it more as getting Williams snaps there

598
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Speaker 3: to just kind of get have him get a feel

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Speaker 3: for this defense and play at the NFL speed because

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Speaker 3: he hasn't had that opportunity yet in a game. And

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Speaker 3: then I could see down the line, okay, like let's

602
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Speaker 3: move him outside if they think he's ready for that.

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Speaker 1: It has been interesting to note that Williams has been

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Speaker 1: working with the safeties when they do position work, and

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Speaker 1: he's in there with well, before Jalen Thompson was hurt,

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Speaker 1: he was there with Jalen Thompson. Now today Wednesday, he

607
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Speaker 1: was in there with Buddha Baker. As far as that

608
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Speaker 1: collection of players before you get into seven on seven

609
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Speaker 1: in the team work, so interesting to see what they

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Speaker 1: do with Garrett Williams when he does return and our

611
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Speaker 1: guests again, can we be in agreement on this again?

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Speaker 1: Sure that it's this week for the former Syracuse stand up.

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Speaker 1: Sorry I had to say at least there that I'd

614
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Speaker 1: to say it one time.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, well, and the reason that the Cardinals have.

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Speaker 3: This roster spot is for waving outside linebacker my J Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Not really a surprise, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean he hadn't been activated, that a window practice window

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Speaker 1: had opened up. And by the way, word on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: that the Houston Texans claimed my Jso depending on if

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Speaker 1: MYJ can last as long until November nineteenth, you can

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Speaker 1: go say hello to my Jay in Houston, I sure can.

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Speaker 3: He didn't play a snap here this season. He had

624
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: a thumb injury that happened in preseason training camp time,

625
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: and so he had a few practices, but he was

626
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Speaker 3: never activated the fifty three man roster. He had a

627
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Speaker 3: week's worth of practice before they decided to wave him.

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Speaker 3: He comes into a crowded room, and if this staff

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Speaker 3: likes what they are getting from their current rotation, when

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Speaker 3: you have so many other spots you are having to

631
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Speaker 3: fill because of injury, cornerback, safety, running back, defensive line,

632
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Speaker 3: if you don't feel like you're going to get meaningful

633
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: snaps out of Sanders when you've got six or seven

634
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: other outside linebackers, this makes the most sense. I also

635
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: think that there's a chance that whether that is his

636
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: body type or the way that he was playing the motor.

637
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 3: Whatever they were seeing from Sanders, there's a chance that

638
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: it just didn't mesh with what this staff was looking for.

639
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: It's very clear this front office, this coaching staff doesn't

640
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: have allegiance to players that were drafted here or have

641
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: been here from previous regimes. I think it's probably a

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Speaker 3: combination of those of your in a crowded room and

643
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Speaker 3: maybe just didn't feel like the skill set was enough

644
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: to really be an advantage for this team.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, Josh Jones, Christian Matthew Lucida Smith talking about

646
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Speaker 1: allegiances to players that you didn't draft, you didn't sign.

647
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Speaker 1: But what kind of player is MANI looking for? Is

648
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: JG looking for? Yes, talent means a lot, but you

649
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: put in the work away from the football field. Is

650
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: there a passion to play play this game? Does it

651
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: eat you up when things don't go well? Are you

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Speaker 1: willing to learn, accept criticism, learn from your mistakes and

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Speaker 1: move forward. That's the type of player that they're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Talent number one, yes, obviously, but it's also that character,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a captain of your college team or what.

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Speaker 1: But how well you respect the game of football?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I would imagine that all those factors probably came

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Speaker 3: into play.

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Speaker 1: All right, Another player that maybe doesn't have an allegiance

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Speaker 1: with this coaching staff or front office, but has seen

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Speaker 1: his snap count increase. In fact, this past week, Trey

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Speaker 1: McBride played the most snaps all season, first time someone

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Speaker 1: other than Zach Ertz at tight end played the most

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Speaker 1: snaps in a game. And you had a chance to

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Speaker 1: talk to him earlier for sideline exchange.

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Speaker 3: I did Trace so great. He always has a smile,

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Speaker 3: always in a great mood. We talked about how his

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Speaker 3: role is evolving, not just in year two but mid

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Speaker 3: season right taking over those snap counts as the leader.

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Speaker 3: Each week we have seen more of him. It seems

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Speaker 3: each week that when it is those prime targets to

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Speaker 3: a tight end, they've come from Trey McBride. Seems like

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Speaker 3: he has better chemistry connection with Dobbs. So we talked

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Speaker 3: about how his role is evolving, trying to become more

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Speaker 3: of a complete tight end and the challenge that this

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Speaker 3: coaching staff gave McBride about becoming a better blocker, a

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Speaker 3: run blocker, and how he has learned from veteran Jeff Swain.

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Speaker 3: Since Swain, you know, joined the team. We also talked

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Speaker 3: a little bit about National tight Ends Day, which is Sunday,

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Speaker 3: and how he's planning on.

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Speaker 1: Celebrating National tight Ends Day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they had the position group has there. It's a holiday.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it's a holiday.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Do we get off work? No, yeah, I didn't think so.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully they all sell all the tight end celebrate

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Speaker 3: with a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: So that's this Sunday in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Yes, National tight Ends, National.

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Speaker 1: Tight Ends Day. All right, it's good to see. I'm again.

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Speaker 1: This season is all about what you have moving forward,

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Speaker 1: and you hope that is Trey McBride in year two

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Speaker 1: because his targets certainly have gone up eight in the

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Speaker 1: past two games compared to seven over the season's first

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Speaker 1: four games, so that's a positive. Speaking of targets, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see Michael Wilson target a little bit more

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Speaker 1: as well, even to the point if you have to

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Speaker 1: force it, because he does so well in the contested

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Speaker 1: catch game. Plus we've seen what happens when you do

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Speaker 1: look at number fourteen and throw the ball in his direction.

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Speaker 3: It has been interesting the way that it kind of

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Speaker 3: seems like it's off and on with the role that

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Speaker 3: Michael Wilson has. He he has a great game in

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Speaker 3: San Francisco, the thirty three yard catch to set up

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Speaker 3: his first of two touchdowns. You know, coming up with

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Speaker 3: a big sixty nine yard catch against Bengals, right, is

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Speaker 3: my memory correct on that one forty nine before the

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Speaker 3: four ninners. Now I can't even a Cowboys Cowboys against

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys game we got there, So Michael Wilson has

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Speaker 3: I'm up big when his number's been called on him.

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Speaker 3: It's been interesting, whether it's the game plan, whether it

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Speaker 3: is how the game is unfolding, what you're seeing from

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Speaker 3: the defense. It's been interesting how it's been kind of

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Speaker 3: hot and cold in how consistently he has been targeted

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Speaker 3: and looked at week after week.

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Speaker 1: Six targets the past two games, after he was targeted

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Speaker 1: seven times against the forty nine ers. I think you

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Speaker 1: want to see. You want to see Michael Wilson develop.

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Speaker 1: Maybe potentially can be a number one wide receiver, but

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Speaker 1: right now be that second option for Josh Dobbs. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying eleven targets like Hollywood Brown got last week,

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Speaker 1: but look his direction. I know. Dobbs, when asked about

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Speaker 1: it on Wednesday, said sometimes the defensive looks forced him

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Speaker 1: to look elsewhere. Yet at the same time, well, Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford finds a way to get Cooper Cup the ball,

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Speaker 1: and the defense always looks to take Cooper Cup away.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow looks to Jamar Chase's way, and sometimes you

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Speaker 1: just have to figure out a way to get the

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Speaker 1: ball in your playmaker's hands.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that. I don't agree with comparing Josh

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Speaker 3: Dobbs and Michael Wilson as a duo to Joe Burn.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they've been working a lot longer those two as

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Speaker 1: far as Stafford and Cup and Burrow and Chase, yes,

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Speaker 1: they've been working a lot longer together. But it just

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Speaker 1: when you have that playmaker, don't ignore them, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's up to you as a quarterback to throw that

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Speaker 1: wide receiver open.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I think this is a great opportunity as

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Speaker 3: well when you're looking at the matchups that Michael Wilson

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Speaker 3: can really come alive in this game.

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Speaker 1: You got a rookie cornerback who's played very very well

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Speaker 1: and Devin Witherspoon fifth overall pick out of Illinois. So

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Speaker 1: that's something to pay attention to on Sunday. What we

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about on Sunday is looking for

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Speaker 1: number one. Cause again, let's go full circle here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two. No Kyler Murray this week.

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Speaker 3: That's our unofficial official guests.

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Speaker 1: And then you're going on on a limb saying Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I sure, am I wish I wish I would

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Speaker 3: have said that for the first time in seen Darren's

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Speaker 3: reaction live. I'm probably gonna be all by myself amongst

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Speaker 3: our group that feels that way.

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Speaker 1: Now, look, would I be disappointed if that happens? Of

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Speaker 1: course not.

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Speaker 3: If I'm the only one that's right, Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I would welcome that again. Optimism, realist right here, realism here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, got there, Let's see who wins. Okay, might have

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Speaker 3: to have a word with Carla Marine next time I

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Speaker 3: steam around the building. Hey, Kyler, can you give me

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Speaker 3: a favor?

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Speaker 1: I need bragging rights?

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Speaker 3: Just come back for the Baltimore game. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You'd really be pulling through for me.

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Speaker 1: Talk about manifesting something if that does happen. Wow. All right,

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai partner of

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Speaker 1: producer jim Mo Mahudre, our associate producer Coddy Fincher for

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Speaker 1: Danny Surrek The Optimism, The Optimist, Danny Serek, I'm Craig

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Speaker 1: Real Lou the Realist. Here on Cardinals cover two. We'll

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