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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio. We're delighted

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Speaker 1: Mass Extinction. Tom joining us on the phone from Woodside, California. Tom,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Um. We hope you're doing well. Your family

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Speaker 1: Tell us we want to get into a lot of

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Speaker 1: things with you. What's what's your world like right now

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Speaker 1: in California? Well, in northern California, I would say that

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Speaker 1: we've been there's really been very little impact from COVID

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Speaker 1: In the county that I'm in San Mateo County, there

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Speaker 1: and Silicon Valley. We have three quarters of a million

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Speaker 1: people as the population. There are seventeen hundred hospital beds,

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Speaker 1: and on any given day there might be fifty people

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Speaker 1: which is the county immediately south of US, where there's

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Speaker 1: thousand hospital beds. On any given day, there'll be a

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people hospitalized for COVID in San Mateo County.

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Speaker 1: I believe there are no people on ventilators. So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, most people in the town that I live in, Woodside,

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Speaker 1: kind of missed us. Well. I mean, there's an argument

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Speaker 1: meant to be made, I think Tom, and I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: you guys did the right thing. I mean you sort

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Speaker 1: of shut it down pretty early in the entire Bay area, right,

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Speaker 1: We did shut it down early, and it kind of

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Speaker 1: hospital deads on an e given day, fifty might be

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Speaker 1: you're doing this from Paul, we're doing it from home.

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Speaker 1: We're getting from you guys are a professional operation? Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's seamless professionalists of congratulations. Well, thank thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tribute to technology, Tom, which you know far more about

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Speaker 1: and more more accurate policy decisions. That was Tom Siebel,

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