WEBVTT - NEW: Ebola Outbreak Kills 80, Concern Growing About Containment 

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<v Speaker 1>And that folks, it is Saturday, May sixteenth. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about hantavirus. We wake up this morning

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<v Speaker 1>to news there is an ebola outbreak and it's already

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst outbreaks in history. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Okay, Ropes. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little alarming. We should put it all in context.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is real, this is legit, this is concerning,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are being mobilized for an emergency alert situation

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<v Speaker 1>going on in Congo right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Ropes, Oh, yes, because this is already a significant outbreak.

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<v Speaker 2>As you pointed out, eighty people have already died. There

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<v Speaker 2>are two hundred and forty six suspected cases, and the

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<v Speaker 2>concern is that this has just begun, that there are

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<v Speaker 2>going certainly going to be much higher numbers coming soon

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<v Speaker 2>and Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's concern along the community, the medical community, i should say,

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<v Speaker 1>the world health community, that some of them seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be thrown off guard by this that wait, we're finding

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<v Speaker 1>out about it and the numbers already at eighty or

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty six total cases. They think something

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<v Speaker 1>has gone wrong in our health policy. We shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>finding out about it when the numbers are this high.

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<v Speaker 2>That is incredibly disturbing. And it's happening in a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the world where there is a humanitarian crisis already

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<v Speaker 2>going on because there is civil unrest, there are military well,

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<v Speaker 2>there are competing militias going on back and forth. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is an environment where people already don't necessarily have

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<v Speaker 2>a safe facility to go to, or to get to,

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<v Speaker 2>or a place to go to get help.

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<v Speaker 3>And that might explain part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of why we're seeing these numbers and only seeing them now.

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<v Speaker 1>And it grows you you point out this area of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. It's on the very eastern part of the Congo,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an enormous country, but it's on the border

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<v Speaker 1>there where the unrest you talk about ropes, and where

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of mobility. People are on the

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<v Speaker 1>move constantly between over borders in communities, so they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to track all these folks, track ropes. We were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about contact tracing here on hantavirus. Seems to be hell,

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<v Speaker 1>how this is impossible?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're trying to contact trace where you've got armed

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<v Speaker 2>militias circling these roads. People are afraid for their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget the virus. They want to survive gunfire, they want

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<v Speaker 2>to survive a machete attack. They're concerned for their lives immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily protecting themselves wearing ppe and socially distancing and

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<v Speaker 2>making sure they report their illnesses to the local hospitals.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Capable, truly, it's not realistic with what's going on and

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<v Speaker 2>where it is in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we talked about where it is in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were talking about where hantavirus in the world

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<v Speaker 1>as well, off the coast West Africa, out in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere and nothing. We are good, we are fine.

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<v Speaker 1>We are safe here in the United States. And sure

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<v Speaker 1>enough we end up finding out that the number of

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<v Speaker 1>people are being monitored in this country for a number

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons. It made its way, if you will. So Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go with abola. You hear ebola, and we

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<v Speaker 1>should say that the approximate death rate for this one

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<v Speaker 1>is fifty percent. And I say approximates because of all

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<v Speaker 1>these outbreaks it ranges. So the who said the death

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<v Speaker 1>rate could be anywhere from twenty five percent to ninety

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<v Speaker 1>oh percent goodness. So that's what we're dealing with. Generally speaking, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a worse word you could say when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to viruses than ebola for people to know shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because you think about, Look, this is a disease

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<v Speaker 2>that we've heard, at least through our lifetimes pop up

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<v Speaker 2>now and again. But when it's been described as what

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<v Speaker 2>this disease does and how quickly and brutally it kills someone, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is some scary stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a way to put it. Brutally kills someone. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into the reminders of what this disease is,

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<v Speaker 1>how it's transmitted, what the symptoms are, what the treatment is,

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<v Speaker 1>and also a reminder of the last time we saw

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<v Speaker 1>it here in the United States. It's funny roads we

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<v Speaker 1>look up on. We happen to have our TV on here,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure enough they were interviewing the guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>the last guy to be in the United States who

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<v Speaker 1>have ebola. He did survive. Of course, that was tens

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<v Speaker 1>plus years ago. We'll get into that in the second

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<v Speaker 1>but Robes, let's go with what we're happening here. The

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<v Speaker 1>who says they started looking at this what today's the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth but they said, they first got a heads up

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<v Speaker 1>about a suspected case May fifth, so they have to mobilize,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to get out to this remote area,

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<v Speaker 1>try to confirm it and try to track it. So

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<v Speaker 1>they first got a heads up May fifth, But we

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<v Speaker 1>are now just getting all these numbers and whatnot now,

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<v Speaker 1>all these days later.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the World Health Organization has been busy because May fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>I know for a fact they were deeply entrenched dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the haunt of IRS. And that wasn't just yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean talking about the World Health Organization. They're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the haunt of virus in what six different countries

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<v Speaker 2>right now, spread and trying to stay contained throughout the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So they've got their hands busy with that. Now they're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with this abola outbreak. And why is it that

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<v Speaker 2>we're just now hearing about it. Who knows. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>had to confirm the case initially. I think some of

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<v Speaker 2>the cases they tested were negative, and then when they

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<v Speaker 2>dug a little deeper, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, oh, holy hell, this is way worse than we thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, not going to suggest what. Their job is difficult

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<v Speaker 1>and takes time, but robes it was shocking again not

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and not to you, but to the folks

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<v Speaker 1>who keep an eye on this, to the medical professionals,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit jarring to be hearing about

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<v Speaker 1>it for the first time and not hearing a small

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<v Speaker 1>cluster a few cases or suspected case. To know we're

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<v Speaker 1>already at two forty six in the number of cases

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<v Speaker 1>robes the concern they're well, how high is this thing

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<v Speaker 1>going to go if we're only getting a handle on

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<v Speaker 1>it and it's already taken off that much.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Mike, I mean, we just know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like we all became little mini virologist,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least we tried to be during COVID And

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<v Speaker 2>just to think that that many people without really having

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<v Speaker 2>the proper people overseeing containing this thing in.

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<v Speaker 3>The right amount of early days.

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<v Speaker 2>We just know exponentially how these viruses go from person

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<v Speaker 2>to person. And as we were hearing so much from

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<v Speaker 2>health the visuals about how hauntavirus yes, is extremely deadly

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<v Speaker 2>but hard to catch, Ebola is extremely deadly and easy

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<v Speaker 2>to catch. It is described as highly contagious, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what's really, really, really scary. They're not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about extended, you know, close.

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<v Speaker 3>Contacts and This is just through bodily fluid.

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<v Speaker 2>So you sneeze, you cough, you touch a surface, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>you can catch it and row.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about how much care is being taken to separate

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<v Speaker 1>potential haunt to virus ill folks here in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not showing a single symptom, and they're being kept

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<v Speaker 1>far away from everybody else, not being able to interact.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of a community of village people on top of

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<v Speaker 1>each other moving around in areas in land. There's no doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no nothing, just on top of each other robes

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with a virus that is much more contagious than hauntavirus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and this is scary. Just obviously they

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<v Speaker 2>always try to find patient zero. I guess they say

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<v Speaker 2>the index case, the suspected index case. With this latest outbreak,

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<v Speaker 2>this concerned me just to hear that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>nurse who died in a medical center and she was

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<v Speaker 2>showing symptoms fever, bleeding, vomiting, weakness. But she was a

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<v Speaker 2>nurse treating patients, so at a hospital, and if they

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<v Speaker 2>believe she was patient zero, maybe she Obviously you would

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<v Speaker 2>assume she caught it from a patient who ended up

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<v Speaker 2>in the hospital but the first documentable case that they

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<v Speaker 2>know of, and now she goes on to treat all

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<v Speaker 2>these folks.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>And then say, some of these people catch it, go home,

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<v Speaker 2>take it to their families.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is just incredibly disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>So to that point there Robes, there was so much

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<v Speaker 1>focus on Hunter ofvirus because of how long the incubation

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<v Speaker 1>period could potentially be. They were saying up to a

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<v Speaker 1>month and a half for that. This one is much quicker.

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<v Speaker 1>So as you're saying people going home could be sick,

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<v Speaker 1>much quicker. The incubation period could be as short as

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<v Speaker 1>two days, but as long as twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a long range for something that's that contagious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that means what we've got weeks of monitoring,

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<v Speaker 1>months of possible monitoring of people. And again the number

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about, look, eighty is a lot dead eighty

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<v Speaker 1>is a big number. The number of cases two forty six.

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<v Speaker 1>You hear that initially and go, oh, well, in many

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<v Speaker 1>of the previous outbreaks Robes they only got up to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two hundred, three hundred cases. So it's significant that

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<v Speaker 1>this already is in one of the top tier of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst outbreaks, but I guess robes it could. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't look at it that way because the worst

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<v Speaker 1>EBO outbreaks were so bad that we're nowhere close to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and let's hope we don't get to that. We

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<v Speaker 2>actually were looking at some of these outbreaks. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>the deadliest one was from twenty eighteen, so not that

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<v Speaker 2>long ago. We're talking thousands dead. Two two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven people died. There were thirty more than thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred cases. But when you look at that thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred cases twenty three hundred dead, you just see

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<v Speaker 2>how deadly it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And certain strains are deadlier than others.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can have anywhere from a thirty like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty percent to a ninety percent. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is how much the range goes. But when you get

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<v Speaker 2>these deadliest strains going, that is I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>When we think about how quickly we can catch a

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<v Speaker 2>virus that is highly can tage just like a cold

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<v Speaker 2>or a flu, and to think that it could have

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<v Speaker 2>up to a ninety percent death rate, that is frightening

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<v Speaker 2>beyond words.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of the numbers there was not specific to

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<v Speaker 1>one country, but one in twenty fourteen that covered several

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<v Speaker 1>countries in West Africa. Now this this twenty eight thousand cases,

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<v Speaker 1>but again robes. As you say, I'm looking at several

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<v Speaker 1>of these listed and it has number of cases and

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<v Speaker 1>number died robes. Those are huge numbers as far as

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<v Speaker 1>ratios of the number of cases and the number of dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, you mentioned the West Africa twenty fourteen, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight thousand cases, eleven thy three hundred dead I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I you know, you have the some of

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<v Speaker 2>the smaller outbreaks. But again the last one that they

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<v Speaker 2>had in the area was in December. There were sixty

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<v Speaker 2>four cases, forty five died. That is a scary ratio.

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<v Speaker 1>Roams. We were terrified hearing about hantavirus and the forty

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<v Speaker 1>percent death rate. So this is why, no doubt this

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly concerning. A reminder, this still is a hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been around that long. It was discovered in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Like you said, Robe,

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<v Speaker 1>there are I think three strains that they've identified, but

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<v Speaker 1>the zayre strain is the one that's been around. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the deadly one of the deadliest one. They're still checking

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<v Speaker 1>out these strains, seeing what they're dealing with. But robes bats, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that's where it originates. I believe it from bats, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but hey, it's been around a little while, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>the scariest thing you can say when it comes to viruses,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess robes to a certain degree. The world

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily and maybe the United States doesn't go into

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<v Speaker 1>full freak out when we hear ebola because it is

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<v Speaker 1>and has stayed for the most part so far away

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<v Speaker 1>from us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but as you mentioned, this is a highly trafficked

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<v Speaker 2>area where people are crossing borders from back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>especially between Congo and Uganda.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, it's not far fetched to think some of those.

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<v Speaker 2>People would or could or will or plan to get

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<v Speaker 2>on planes and fly to other parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the world, including possibly the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, folks, quick reminder, it's happened before, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that long ago. Stay here, all right, folks, We

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<v Speaker 1>continue here on Amy and TJ on this Saturday, May sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>getting up to a word that there is any bola outbreak,

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<v Speaker 1>a very concerning outbreak happening right now in the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Republic of Congo along the border there with Uganda. But

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<v Speaker 1>at least two hundred and sixty plus cases right now

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<v Speaker 1>and at least eighty eighty dead in those cases. They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a handle on it, and again brokes

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<v Speaker 1>Central Africa, Congo remote area, even of the Congo. That

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<v Speaker 1>virus isn't going to get here. It seems very difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>highly unlikely. And I guess we're ope when we hear

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<v Speaker 1>a Bola. That's why sometimes here in the US we

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<v Speaker 1>don't go into full alarm when we hear it. But Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that long ago. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us remember, most people will remember Ebola made its

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<v Speaker 1>way through the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize how recently it actually was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>in two thy fourteen September of twenty fourteen. Certainly you

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<v Speaker 2>and I were in newsrooms back then. I was a

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<v Speaker 2>Good Morning America back then, and it was a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>story to see and to hear that Ebola made it

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was a part of an outbreak. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the gentle men from Liberia visited to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>He was coming to visit family in Texas and I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people remember this guy. As the

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<v Speaker 1>outbreak was going on over there, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>we hear about a guy who was sick in Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Ropes and he went in and he told him where

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<v Speaker 1>he was from. They still let him get on a plane.

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<v Speaker 1>He ends up coming over, he gets sick, he goes in,

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<v Speaker 1>they put him in isolation, and a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>later this man was dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they even put him on an experimental drug. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got the best care in the world here in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. He went to the hospital, but pretty quickly

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<v Speaker 2>he ended up on a ventilator. His kidneys were failing,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, he died, and that scared the hell out

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<v Speaker 2>of folks here in.

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<v Speaker 3>The United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And you combine that and not to be fear mongering here,

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<v Speaker 2>but just having gone through the pandemic, being concerned now

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<v Speaker 2>obviously with what we're dealing with with hantavirus. It's especially

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<v Speaker 2>alarming when you hear that the CDC director there in Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>this was the quote. Given the high population movement between

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<v Speaker 2>affected areas and neighboring countries, rapid regional coordination is essential.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they are speaking urgently to people urgently to

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<v Speaker 2>health officials and they are saying we need help and

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<v Speaker 2>they need to secure borders. The contact tracing is key.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, I just can't imagine what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's impossible, records, keeping up with everybody, who are you

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<v Speaker 1>in contact with? Where did you go? It's just this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a tall task, but it's worth putting on

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's radar and something to keep an eye on. But

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, Robes, hantaviruses on our brains and that

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<v Speaker 1>made us concern because COVID was still on our brains

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're having to hear about ebola. You can

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<v Speaker 1>did I mention here the symptoms fever, fatigue, sore throat, headache,

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<v Speaker 1>They say, that's another part of the issue, Robes. It

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<v Speaker 1>shows up kind of as normal, run of the mill issues.

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<v Speaker 1>You might think you have a cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you wake up and you think, oh god, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting sick, and it really is. Those are the hallmark

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<v Speaker 2>symptoms of your run of the mill cold. Worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking maybe I have influenza, but you're not thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I could have a bola. And certainly anyone who wakes

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<v Speaker 2>up like that, yeah you're not and that's when you're contagious,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the frightening.

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<v Speaker 1>They aren't those the first symptoms of damn near everything?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Yeah, how do you know? How do you distinguish?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the always the scary thing to me was

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<v Speaker 2>the bleeding, like you imagine, like you hear about the

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<v Speaker 2>bleeding coming from your our this is your like holy hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that's. Yeah, the headache and whatnot. It turns

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<v Speaker 1>into more severe symptoms. They say that's from the vomiting

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<v Speaker 1>and the diarrhea, organ failure on what you mentioned, But

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<v Speaker 1>they say it's a horrific, horrific death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was always the way I remember hearing it described.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's just what scares the hell out of you.

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<v Speaker 2>And to think that, regardless of medical intervention you may receive,

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<v Speaker 2>it's oftentimes too late.

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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, giving you the latest there on this Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously one that certainly we and really the world and

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<v Speaker 1>all of us should be keeping a close eye on,

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<v Speaker 1>but one did to give you the updates. We always

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you spending some time with us. From our dear

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to