WEBVTT - Ep. 161: Only in Texas 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is an Eater podcast coming in you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.599 folk bitten and in my case, underwear listening. Don't to 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:48.320 eat the podcast. You can't predict anything. Is everybody doing tonight? Good? Right? 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.040 Who's um? I just want to ask now we're gonna 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.520 revisit this later, but is there we have a birthday tonight? 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.680 That many people? I'm up top two just like if 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.160 you have a birthday, just say, like, just do one noise? 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:14.640 Really we need we need five of you. But it 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.399 sounds like there's tons more. Um, Okay, let's do some 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.120 Let's do some introductions first, let me know, and then 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.520 when we get started, we're talking about UM. I have 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.520 a lot of anecdotes I want to share and I 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.600 talked about these last night, but we don't record it 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.040 so I could talk about him again. Is a lot 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:37.160 of anecdotes about you people drinking too much? Um? But 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.959 but but first, uh, well, first introductions the hospital US 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:51.560 from Meat Eater. My name is Jesse Griffiths. Talk her, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.080 talk up your talk up your deal. Talk about your restaurants. Man, 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.760 I have a couple of restaurants in Austin. UM Doe 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:08.040 and I Dee Tacaria Jari for Austin or Army. UH 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.000 also run a business called New School of Traditional Cookery 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.320 where we incorporate the kind of culinary aspect into hunting 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.280 and fishing, offer three day trips, custom trips, stuff like that. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.440 Also wrote a cookbook called a Field, UH Wild Game 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:31.640 and Fish Cookbook. All Right, Hi guys, I am Danielle. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:37.480 I I Wild and Hole. So I am the girl 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:44.920 who cuts up hearts and tells you how to cook it. Here, everybody, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.160 my name is Carl Malcolm. I'm the regional wildlife ecologist 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.839 for the Forest Service based out Albuquerque, New Mexico. And uh, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.200 my whole career is rooted in the fact that I 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.680 love to hunt and fish. That's what motivated me to 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.840 be I'm a wildlife scientist. And this is this is 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:08.400 Carl's This is Carl's eight eighth appearance on the on 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.840 the show. Yeah, it's an honor, man, I appreciate it. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.000 And Carl pointed out that not only has Johnny Casping 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.680 on this stage, but also Groucho Marks. We're walking in 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.040 the footsteps of legends. In the footsteps of legends, So 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.160 I was gonna talk about but I decided not to 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.799 experience talked about it a bunch is uh the how 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:30.359 in Houston a woman when into uh this just happened. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.800 A woman goes into Samoca joint. You guys know this 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.240 story in an abandoned house and there's a tiger hanging 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.840 out in there in a cage. I was like, I 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:47.720 would say, it's like the most Texas thing I've ever heard, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.080 And but I got so so like, we're this guy 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.600 worked with Brodie were we were rounding up things to 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.320 like just some local flavor and Brody stumbles into this. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.480 It's a little but is that what they mean by 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:06.839 high fence? That's it. It's all that Texas high fence 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:14.440 they're always talking about. So uh, Brody with Brody rounds 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.960 up this like it's like a roundup of game Warden 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:23.360 activities from around the state. And uh so game Warden 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.880 and Van zandt County two game Wardens and Van Zant 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.000 Are you from Van Zand County? If if I hit 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.080 on something, name of the people, if if you people 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.120 are in these stories, please come to the stage. So 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.080 so like you get a picture of game Warden's right 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.520 there out trying to catch poachers and stuff. These game 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.400 wards and van ZANDT County are going down the road 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.440 and they come across the vehicle stop in the middle 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.039 of the road. So they question the people and there's 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.200 a p there's a person who's too drunk to explain 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.400 where they live, which is making it hard for their 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:03.559 designated driver to get them home. The designated driver turns 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.440 out has been drinking, so the game the game warden's 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.240 arrested designated driver and the dude who can't figure out 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.120 where he lives somehow has it in him to call 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.480 another body to come pick him up. That body shows 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.320 up and he too is arrested for drinking and driving. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:27.080 And so moving down. Does I want I keep messing 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.279 this up? The Z one? How do you say it? 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:37.760 Z County? Yeah? You guys from there? So here here. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.279 A game warden responds to a tip about an illegal 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:45.120 gill net, and the Rio grande Um goes down there 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.400 on the Texas side of the river and starts pulling 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.760 out some monolfilament gill net which has been set illegally, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.719 and by the time he's done, he has hauled in 0:05:54.839 --> 0:06:00.840 four thousand defeat of gil Nett. Near Abilene, a game 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:06.279 warden sees people shooting from a truck stops him to 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.080 ask him what's going on, and they explain that they're 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:15.839 multitasking because one of the things they're doing is they're drinking. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.200 One of the things they're doing is the woman her 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.800 and her boyfriend are drinking and they're teaching her son 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:32.440 how to drive, and they're hunting hawks a in Bear County, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.160 which I made the mistake last that I called it 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:39.880 Bexter County, which didn't go over well. Bear County game 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.599 wardens find a guy on social media bragging up about 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.520 how he's been doing a lot of hunting and fishing 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.880 in the San Antonio power Plant property, which is closed 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.440 to set activities, and they want to find the guy, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.240 so they review his social media post and eventually figure 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.400 out who he is and learn that he's a UM. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.960 He's one any probation, so they can't find him, so 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.599 they just go down and wait for him when you 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.880 need to show up for his probation court hearing, and 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:12.480 then arrest him. Another Texas news story, uh that's interesting 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.920 is red wolves. So red World, I'm trusting you to 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.560 know a little about this. Carl red wolves have been 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.360 declared extinct in the wild. In the wild and they've 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.880 tried captive breeding. They have on an island off of 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.880 North Carolina, they have tried some. Yeah, but there's no 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.400 red wolves alive in the wild. Yeah. And they were 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:39.440 just surprised to learned that on Galveston Island, the coyotes 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:44.800 there carry red wolf genetics. Yeah, and quite a bit 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.640 of it. Quite a bit, yes, Like to the point where, 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.320 based on the most recent genetic analyzes, they have more 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:57.160 similarity to the red wolves than they do to a 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.640 pure blooded coyote. Yeah. So the kind of a middle ground, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.840 which raises some interesting questions about what defines a species. Really, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:11.400 what do you think is it? Now contextans start worrying 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.880 about how they have wolves. There's that premature. Oh, there's 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:21.320 probably plenty of that chatter already. Learn thing again at 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.400 the second time I talked about this, but you guys 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.960 have this is this is the one. It's hard for 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.000 me to problems you know, the animal. I'm gonna say 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.640 the nil guy, Okay, right now, you also have a 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:37.520 problem in Texas with um cattle the cattle fever tick. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.520 Not the tick that makes you that you can't eat meat, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.040 but like a tick that spreads a disease cattle fever 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.760 and they can eradicate and cattle or can control and cattle. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.960 But now the nil guy carry the tick. So they 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:59.280 are installing motion activated spray machines that are like trail cams, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:06.200 but they blast nil guy with a solution containing nematodes 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.560 that killed the ticks. Which would be some unnerving ship 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.760 that happen to you, right to be like walking though 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.720 it was also you would it would be I would 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.440 be distressed for a minute. Well, you know when they 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.520 zapp them, you know how they zapp them, and I 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.120 haven't it. So the trick is, uh, nil guy are 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.199 very wide ranging species, like compared to a white tail deer, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.839 they cover a ton more ground, but they congregate at 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:42.040 shared latrines. So they're installing these things at the shared 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:46.680 latrines where all the nil guy will get together and 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:51.640 do their business. So it's like even more unnerving. Yeah, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.280 you show up to do your business and then end 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.640 up getting sprayed? Is that really right? Now? Now we 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.240 have two genuine Texans, have you guy's eating hunting and 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.440 eating I'm hunting, no guy? Uh, we did. We've actually 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:06.920 done a lot of stuff. I was just down in 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.839 the king A couple of weeks ago with had a 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.800 bunch of clients. I was cooking for clients that we're 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.520 hunting no Guy. And yeah, it's true. You'll see an 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.360 eight foot circle of no Guy ship in a road. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.280 Do they like to mound it up? It's mostly flat. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.320 I'd say it's like a hill or a dale of ship, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.600 you know, because you know, lama's like if you if 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.480 my brother keeps his lama's out in a flat like 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.720 if you keep on a flat pasture, lamas like to 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.960 any kind of little rise to get on. And they'll 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.080 ship in the same spot and build a little looking 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.960 like a little pictures mound that's like becomes substantial and 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.320 then they'll perch up on there just to get a 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.080 better look. But but the meat, the Neil Guy meat 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.560 is good. It's fantastic. Even the bigger bowls. I mean 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.800 they get huge, I mean six seven d pounds plus 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.040 not unheard of, and in my experience, even even in 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.880 the big bowls are really good to eat. What would 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:08.520 you compare it to, um Uh, it's maybe access deer like, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:13.040 very mild, maybe less has like less of an iron 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:18.360 flavor than white tail, A little little bit beefy. It's really, 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.640 I mean very lean, but very very good good stuff. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.800 We wanted to touch real quick on the Frisco coyote epidemic. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:35.880 Everybody lives in Frisco. Yah Yanni's a subject matter expert 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:40.360 on the Frisco kyo epidemic. Break it down. Um, it 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.280 sounds like every all of you must have been bit 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.240 by a coyote in the last six months from what 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:50.880 I read, Um, what else I know about him? They're 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.280 chewing on small dogs, cats a lot that there was 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.920 I think even one news uh source had come up 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.719 with their own app to report kylote sidings and at 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.760 the time there was over three hundred kylotes sidings right 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:12.720 around Frisco and people were genuinely worried. Yeah, because like 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.520 five people right got nipped or seven seven people got bit. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.320 Do you guys live in Frisco? Oh have you guys 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:27.640 been bit? No? Just so everybody's doing it? Are you 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.440 cool on that subject? Like that's that's kind of the 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.520 extent of it. Yeah, you know, It's just didn't surprise 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.120 me really when I read it. I was like, yeah, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:42.880 that makes sense. Um, we have you get something to 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:48.960 add you're not cooking kyots? Yeah, I'm good. I wanna 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.439 get I wanna give a quick shout out other podcast guests. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.840 Bracey V. Hill the second is here with his friend 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.160 West Keys West Run Wild Game. Am I saying this right? 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.840 West Wild Wild Game for West Dallas. They put together 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:15.280 two thousand pounds of venison for protein poor neighbors. Uh, processors. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.960 There's there's a group. There's a group called Hunters for Hungry, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.439 So people deer hunters are bringing deer down to processors. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.080 Hunters for Hungary. We're paying for all the processing fees. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.240 And then they also have a group brother Bill's help 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.280 in hand and they've been teaching. Uh, they've taking some 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.240 young kids out and doing their first hunting trips. And 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.120 he's here in the crowd tonight. So I wanted to 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:42.640 mention that, um, he mentions. He mentions that we need 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.040 to have more dug during and I think that the 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:52.439 world needs more dug during. Uh quick question. Yeah, we 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:59.280 were with him the are night. Okay. One first, I 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.360 gotta bring up who there's some guy here Joel with 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.200 the wife who has the coolest name in the world 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:11.600 named Timber. You guys here, Okay. Wedding Advice wants wedding 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.760 advice what he wants us to explain, Timber, I don't 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.079 know if I'm doing this. Joel wants us to explain 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.760 that that, uh, I'm just gonna come at it that 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.080 you need to make sure that he's allowed to go 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:32.560 hunting all the time. He wanted us. I was I 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.480 was supposed to frame that up as some kind of 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.760 marriage be sly and frame it up with some kind 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.560 of marriage advice. But I that's just what he's getting in. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.320 So I just I'm just gonna cut the angle for 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.560 it because it sounds like maybe he's not getting to 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.040 go enough, right or he feels that way right. No, No, 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.560 because now you're gonna make it that he's not gonna 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:57.600 have a good night. He No, this dude says, he says, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.840 I go all the time. I think that he wants 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.240 to just make sure that that continues into the future. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:11.720 Precedent like precedent setting, which is that's a big that's 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.120 my marriage advice. My marriage advice starts before you get married. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.800 If I was Timber, I would even push him and 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.320 because there's just like yet to be the guy that 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.840 actually hunts three d sixty five days a year. So 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.800 I would say when it's been about eight days or 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.280 nine days in a row. If he actually hunts that much, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.120 then when he's like, so I'm gonna sleep in tomorrow morning, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.720 I've had that along going out at the fore and 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.720 be like, dude, get out of bed and bring home 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.760 to baking bro Like no no rest for the guy 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.600 that wants to hunt all the time, right, like get 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.840 it and just kind of see where that levels out. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.120 He's uh, he's getting married in May, so good luck 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:56.600 to him. Now, Uh, digging in, We're gonna focus pretty 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.920 heavy and not like totally heavy, but pretty heavy on 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.320 wild game to nights. We have so many good cooks 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.400 up front here, we got some all the questions. We're 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:08.640 gonna stray a little bit. We're gonna touch on cannibalism. Um, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.720 I wanna talk. I got I gotta, I gotta a 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.560 question about, uh, whether deer ever lose their ability to 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:21.360 get it up, which is for Carl. But first, no, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.280 not like that, man. I don't mean like, I don't 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.480 mean you're gonna know because you know subject matter. I 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.840 mean like you know because it's like an animal question 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.720 that I was gonna steer your direction. But first I 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.880 want to get into this one. This is a question 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.720 that comes in that came in. It's that this is 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.960 this is a panel opportunity. What have you eaten that 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.040 you will never eat again? And how was it that 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:52.800 you cooked it? I can start or I can go later, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.240 it doesn't matter to me. You got one, I got 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.120 I got one? Um, And staying on brand, I'm a 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.560 big fan of hogs. I ate a hog once that 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.840 have been snared. And that thing been in the snare 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.600 for at least two hours by the time we got 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.159 up to her, So I mean enough that when I 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.120 walked up, she just lost all the you know, ability 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:20.399 to fight, just got really sad in here. She she 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:25.040 had just given up. But that meat was absolutely inedible. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.359 So I hung up the hog snares after that. I 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.120 have some of those, and I look at him all 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.080 the time. I've never messled him. I mean, for eradication 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.080 would be good, but for for park chops not good. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.760 What do you got? Yes, I don't know if anything 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.359 that really fits that bill, um, because I want to 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.240 try it again, and this might be a good segue 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.840 for you, um, but mergans are a hooded one. The 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.760 one time, yeah, the one time we tried it. It 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.200 just we we stunk out the apartment and just vowed 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.560 to never do it again. But with the skin on it, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.400 I can't I can't remember. I doubt it. I bet 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.760 we just took the breasts out, but you don't mind 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.160 golden eye. No. I just remember this was a long 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.480 time ago. It's probably close to two decades ago, and 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:21.400 I remember it being pretty pretty fishy fish the thing 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.439 I made. It's kind of like what I made is 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.840 like it's intertwined with the how you cooked it. But 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.120 I I and I wrote about this my first book, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.720 and I was remember just how kind of off putting 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:36.639 it was. Was kidney pudding with Elk kidney, but it 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.880 was from old Elk and the fact that like when 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:45.000 you're you're you're eating it and it really, honestly it's 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:50.359 like eating like solidified piss me. And it was just 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.199 like such a letdown. You know, you're an okay, what's that? 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.040 You're an okke? It was like a you're an o cake. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.439 It's like sophy things. Yeah, it'd be like if you 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.600 cook that. I've not even one, but it was, yeah, 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.919 it was like you know, and you cook it and 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.200 it kind of rises that has like a soux fleysh 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.320 kind of thing. But man, it was not a good 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:23.040 dish kidney pudding. You ever got burned on a dish? Yeah, yeah, Um, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.480 this is actually really embarrassing. But in my early days 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:32.240 of cooking wild game, actually probably my first experience ever 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.320 processing butchering a deer. It was it was a gift 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.680 given to us by a friend who had a manager 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.199 manager's ranch and he quartered a deer. And I was like, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.359 we're going to process this whole thing ourselves. And what 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.919 should have taken like hours was like days because I 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.159 thought all I knew was like get all the silver 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.240 skin off. So I'm like breaking down the shanks like 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.359 I'm going crazy. So like days, this meat has been 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.000 in the cool or and I don't know that you 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.440 should drain the water out and keep fresh ice in. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:09.520 So it's like nicely marinating in this cooler for way 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:15.119 too long. Yeah. And so I have all the bones left, 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.399 and I'm like, you know, I'm gonna make a stock. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.960 I'm just this. I was just like hot shot in 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.119 the kitchen at this point in time. So I start 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.200 making the stock. I roast, I wake up early, roast 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.480 the bones like it's just I got this nice pot going, 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:35.399 and I realized it smells really bad. I'm thinking to myself, well, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.359 it's just gamey, right, that's just like venison. I'd never 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.040 really worked with venison before. Like it just gave me 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.679 it'll get better, just keep cooking it. Like it's all 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.840 on the stove for hours. And then Travis, that's my husband, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.239 Travis comes home and he busts the door open and 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.000 he yells at me like, why are you making a 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:03.160 European mountain the house? Like do that outside? Like yeah, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.160 And I was like, okay, this is not right. This 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.479 is so I threw it out so I didn't try it. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.000 But the worst thing, so yeah, so I didn't even 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.399 taste it. Tried it was like it was like death 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.199 in the house. It was so so bad. Um. But 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.720 the worst thing I actually ate was a tons of 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.439 swan that had been in a zip block back or 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.439 not even like a zip block. Freeze is just like 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.439 a little baggy in the back of someone's freezer for 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.399 a couple of years. I had like a nice freezer burn, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.720 like it's a ton of swan, wasn't you know bad enough? 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:42.880 It was laying around so we so we chats went 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.320 on a hunt with a buddy and the Pothole region. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.480 This was up in North Dakota, not not Texas, up 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.200 in the Pothole region and they were they were diver 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.280 dock hunting and they see some swans come by and 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.800 so yell, who ha hoo ha. They turned around. So 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:04.200 he gets his swan and I actually wanted it mounted, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.399 and I didn't, but I wanted to eat it. So 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.480 his friends like, oh, I have some in the freezer. 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.439 You can mount that and I'll give you give you 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.600 this one. So I'm like, oh, that's so sweet, thank you, 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:23.159 thank you so much. Yeah. Good, it was, Yeah, it was. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:28.439 It was terrible. You got carl something in China. I 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:32.480 ate some bad stuff in China, for sure. But the yeah, 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.120 the thousand in your egg? No boy, no? Um oh 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:41.480 did you have you eaten that? Deal? The embryonic you 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.040 know what I'm talking about? You ever eat those? They 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.720 let a duck egg blue? Yeah, I've eaten that, my 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.760 god man. That fits into the category. But the thing 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:53.919 that came to mind first of all is stuff that 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.840 I now love eating, but at the time had no 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.240 idea how to handle it. And so I've been thinking Lee, 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.639 you know, like anybody out there, grab a copy of 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:08.199 the new UH Fish and Game Cookbook where it is 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.960 so So the reason that that's cool is I think 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:17.080 about being like a thirteen year old um squirrel hunter 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.920 who loved hunting squirrels and didn't know what the heck 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:23.520 to do with them really, um, and how it would 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.080 it would just be a different ball game today to 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.080 have the videos, the cookbooks and have all that at 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.399 your disposal as a new hunter. But to answer your question, 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.560 when I was learning how to hunt, we'd do these 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:40.200 like Daniel Boone Davy Crockett adventures where we'd go camping 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:42.879 in the woods behind our house and we'd catch trout, 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:47.160 we'd pick mushrooms, we'd hunt squirrels and grouse and pretty 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.800 much whatever hunting success we had, we'd build a fire 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.760 skin out whatever critter it was, and just like hold 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.280 it in the fire and so you'd get this like 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:04.199 black crisp ext and bite in and it would be 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:10.640 like cool to the touch on your teeth and you'd 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:15.879 be like pulling meat off, like I must really like hunting. 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:19.840 So I'm done with that, Like I'm doing all kinds 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.960 of you know, like squirrel now is the bomb. But 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.199 it's because I've learned how to do it, and you 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.520 know that that's one of the things about having these 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.200 resources at your fingertips now like we were we were 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.800 jumping on YouTube or jumping on your smartphone, is like, 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.720 here's the dead squirrel. I'm gonna build a fire and 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.840 hold it in there and it's gonna be awful. That's like, 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.880 like like a long time ago, that was wild. Game 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.760 cooking was so weird because the obten think like the 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.119 the impact of phones you don't even really think about 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.680 is that you used to if you're going to meet 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.520 your friends, you guys have all had to pick a bar, 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.199 and no one could leave the bar to go to 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:54.960 a different bar because you wouldn't be able to find 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.560 each other. Right you had, like pre phones, everything was different, man, 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.480 it was hard to find people. You're starting to sound 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:03.439 like an old man. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.160 if you remember, it was like you it was very 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.520 difficult to like locate your bodies. You could lose track 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.080 of your bodies without phones. But also you couldn't look 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:11.639 up how to cook stuff. So we would just know 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.000 that people ate something like we knew. I remember the 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:19.119 first time we tried to cook a deer tongue, and uh, 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.200 we just knew that it was a thing one could do, 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.520 but we didn't have access to even the idea that 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.760 the skin is supposed to come off. So we boil 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:27.600 those suns, bitches, and try to chew on them, and 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.679 boil them and try to chew on them because and 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.720 now you just would very quickly just realize, you know, 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:35.359 but we were just in like trying to figure out 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.199 how to cook beaver tails. When you have it's just 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.119 a thing. You know, it happens, but you don't know 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:40.760 how to do it, and there's no you can't convey 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:44.840 the information unless you stumbled across some weird old cookbooks somewhere. 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.119