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Speaker 1: This is all most famous Beyond the Bachelor with Susie Evans.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back to Beyond the Bachelor. I'm Susie,

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Speaker 2: your host, and I'm sure everyone knows Ben Higgins from

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Speaker 2: season twenty of The Bachelor. Today we're going to be

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Speaker 2: talking to his wife, Jessica Clark Higgins, So please welcome jess.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hi, how's it going and how are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy that you're doing this and we're doing this. No,

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Speaker 3: I was so happy when they texted me because I'm like,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Wait. First of all, I love Susie and I'm so

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Speaker 1: pumped you started a podcast. Yeah, thanks for thinking of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, I mean I feel like you're exactly who

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Speaker 2: comes to mind when you think Beyond the Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: You know. Oh, but of course.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like, I'm sure you've talked about it

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Speaker 2: a thousand times, but let the people know how it

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Speaker 2: did Ben slide into the DMS. I feel like everyone

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Speaker 2: knows that he's the one that reached out to you.

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Speaker 3: What did that look like, what did he say? And

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Speaker 3: how did you feel when you saw the message? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So he was staying in Nashville at a hotel and

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Speaker 1: there was a hockey game across the street, and he

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Speaker 1: wanted to know who was playing in the hockey game,

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Speaker 1: and so he searched Bridgetone Arena on his Instagram and

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Speaker 1: I had just tagged my location there, so I popped

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Speaker 1: up on his Explore page and he like, screenshot in

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Speaker 1: my photo. It's a photo with my dad. So I

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Speaker 1: always joke with him because I'm like, did you like

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Speaker 1: me or my dad? Because he was the photo. But

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Speaker 1: he screenshot at it and then saw it a couple

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Speaker 1: months later and decided to shoot his shot. He was

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Speaker 1: starting to date again after The Bachelor, and so he

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Speaker 1: messaged me and I was home with my family for

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and someone with like a million followers and it

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Speaker 1: was back before you could buy a blue check mark,

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Speaker 1: so I'm like, who is this person with the blue

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Speaker 1: check mark that's messaging me. I was just working in

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Speaker 1: Nashville and my mom had watched his season and she

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Speaker 1: was like, you have to find out how you found

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Speaker 1: your photo. That's so random. So I replied, and we've

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Speaker 1: talked every day since.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love that.

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Speaker 2: So you kind of knew from the time that you

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Speaker 2: dated or went on your first date that Ben was

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Speaker 2: going to be your person. Did you have that like

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Speaker 2: when you know you know moment?

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Speaker 1: I think we had it as so we like facetimed

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Speaker 1: every day for three weeks before we ever met in person.

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

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Speaker 1: Yes, for like hours because he lives in Denver. He

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Speaker 1: was living in Denver and I was in Nashville. So

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Speaker 1: it was like one of us going to fly to

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Speaker 1: the other one. What are we going to do to

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Speaker 1: ever see each other in person? But we have to

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Speaker 1: make sure it's worth it first, especially because like he

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Speaker 1: is more of a public figure, and so I think

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Speaker 1: that it felt like the risks were higher if, like

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Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and I went all the way

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Speaker 1: out there. So we facetimed for like hours a day

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Speaker 1: and just really got to know each other and each

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Speaker 1: other hearts, and I never met anybody like him before that.

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Speaker 1: I just felt like we were so similar in our

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Speaker 1: beliefs and what we wanted out of life, and we

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Speaker 1: could talk about anything, Like I felt like nothing was

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Speaker 1: him and just be myself. So then both of us

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Speaker 1: had a little bit to drink one night at the

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Speaker 1: same time, and he bought me a plane ticket and

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Speaker 1: I flew out the next day and it was like so.

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Speaker 3: Fast, Oh my gosh. I feel like that's every fangirl's dream.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: You watched The Bachelor before or if you knew who

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Speaker 2: Ben was, but I feel like if you've ever been

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Speaker 2: a huge fan of like a band or a show

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Speaker 2: or like a movie, something along those lines, your dream

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Speaker 2: is that you're going to like stumble upon meeting this

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Speaker 2: like famous rock star whoever, and they're going to fly

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Speaker 2: you out and you're gonna fall in love and get

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Speaker 2: the dream.

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Speaker 1: No, it really is crazy, Like I this is not

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Speaker 1: what I ever. I never thought I would date or

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Speaker 1: you met Ben, He's just like the best person, so he.

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Speaker 3: Makes it easy. That's so sweet. What was your.

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Speaker 2: First experience or exposure to kind of like the limelight,

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Speaker 2: So obviously you went out to Denver. Did people take

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Speaker 2: what was that like when you first did get spotted together,

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Speaker 1: Feel like we've never I've never really talked about this.

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Speaker 1: But when I flew out to Denver the next day,

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Speaker 1: he had like an appearance with a company, so he

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Speaker 1: was he had we had to go to like this

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what this is, like do I it is weird?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And so I went to this meet and greet with

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Speaker 1: him and I was fine. I just sat there and

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Speaker 1: to happen. I'm like, this is so bizarre, like who

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Speaker 1: because it was at the mall. But then we dated

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Speaker 1: and there were like all of these rumors that we

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Speaker 1: followers that are like this, you have to be dating Ben,

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Speaker 1: and like all these messages and stuff. And I still

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Speaker 1: remember the day that someone must have posted in a

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Speaker 1: feel like it was so long ago, but I remember

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Speaker 1: I like looked at my phone and I was at

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Speaker 1: work and I had gotten like twelve thousand views or

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Speaker 1: But that was probably the first time that I was like,

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Speaker 1: than I thought, yeah, because I wasn't as familiar with

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Speaker 1: And then I don't even know the first time I

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Speaker 1: met all the Bachelor people. It might have been Ashley

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Speaker 1: and Jared's wedding, Oh.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, and that would have been was that when

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Speaker 2: was that? Was that before twenty twenty yes? Right, twenty

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen, like this summer, And is that when sort

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Speaker 2: of your bacheloration friendship started? Because I know, obviously you're

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Speaker 2: super close with a lot of people like Kaylen, and

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Speaker 2: you are obviously super close and who are else are

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Speaker 2: kind of like your friends amongst the Bachelor Nation group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kaylan is probably my best friend from Bachelor Nation,

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Speaker 1: especially because now they live in Colorado. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: see her on Saturday. Beca Tilly has always been like

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Speaker 1: such a great friend me. She is amazing. And then

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Speaker 1: we see dian A Lot. We've always seen dian A

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Speaker 1: Lot Wells. Wells has always been a really good friend.

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Speaker 1: He and I went to the same college too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we Ben has a lot of really good friends from

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor and I'm really lucky that everyone has like

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Speaker 1: been so kind and like embraced me so well.

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Speaker 2: So well, You're easy to embrace obviously. When I met you,

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Speaker 2: I was I mean, I feel.

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Speaker 3: Like I knew of you through.

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Speaker 2: The grapevine and stuff, and your reputation is wonderful. Everyone

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Speaker 2: says you're like the most kind, sweet person and have

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Speaker 2: the best skin, which is true. I have a book

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Speaker 2: an appointment with you, and I feel like anyone listening

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Speaker 2: to this if you have skin or beauty questions, I

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Speaker 2: feel like you need to head over to Jess's Instagram

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Speaker 2: because I feel like You've got all the answers.

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Speaker 3: Even in person. You're just glowing.

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Speaker 2: But it's so fun to see how you're kind of

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Speaker 2: just like that honorary Bachelor Nation. You kind of just

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Speaker 2: fit right in. You're not even like an honorary You're

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Speaker 2: just a part of it now.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That actually means a lot, because it definitely is like intimidating.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you felt that way after getting

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Speaker 1: off the show and then you're kind of thrust into things.

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Speaker 1: But it's a lot of people. Everyone is like, very

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Speaker 1: it's a crazy world. But I mean same with you.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was like, You're gonna love Susie and I was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: why can't meet to meet her? And we had such

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Speaker 1: a blast.

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Speaker 3: But so much fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious your thoughts on dating shows. Do you think

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Speaker 2: that they are a legitimate way to find love?

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. What's so funny is I talk

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Speaker 1: my clients in my skincare clinic are women, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are like, should I go on the Bachelor?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, Dan, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It just depends on what you want because it works

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Speaker 1: for some people, like you really do see it happen,

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Speaker 1: even like Kaylin and Dean, but then it doesn't work

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people. But it's almost like a

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Speaker 1: dating app, like you're gonna go on a lot of

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Speaker 1: I would find my husband on Instagram. So if you're

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Speaker 1: going to find him on a TV show, like, go

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Speaker 1: for it. But I think you have to go into

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Speaker 1: But it's almost like a moment of like what do

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Speaker 1: I have to lose? I know that was where Ben

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Speaker 1: was at when he went on the show, was like

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Speaker 1: I've got nothing else going on, like why not? And

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Speaker 1: if it works, it works, and if it doesn't, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So things like holding it all loosely so true.

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Speaker 3: And have you watched Ben's season?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Ever?

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Speaker 1: No? So I my mom reminded me, like after bed

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Speaker 1: and I had been dating for several months, She's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've seen an episode of his Bachelor season?

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Speaker 1: Like I was home and it was on because my

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Speaker 1: and it was on and I saw him and she

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Speaker 1: said that she remembers because I looked at the TV

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Speaker 1: screen and I was like, he's really cute. That's the

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Speaker 1: kind of guy I would date, And like that was

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Speaker 1: all I ever said about it. And I don't even remember.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she's that crazy. I like low key manifested,

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Speaker 2: but I got chills. I'm not vocal because it's cold

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Speaker 2: in my hotel room or the story just gave me chills,

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Speaker 2: but that's actually kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I never went back and watched his season

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Speaker 1: after we started dating, like the whole thing, because it's

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Speaker 1: had an X or x's or done whatever. It's another thing.

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Speaker 3: To watch it.

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Speaker 3: That's so powerful. Like that's powerful beyond dating.

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Speaker 2: That's so important, whether it's like anxiety or you know,

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Speaker 2: And there are so many cool things that you get

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Speaker 1: Right when we started dating, we'd been dating for like

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Speaker 2: Honestly, the Switzerland was definitely a flex Like that's pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a guy flying you to Switzerland.

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Speaker 2: Like that's just the next level living in a dream.

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Speaker 2: If he's like daty guy, he flies you to Switzerland

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Speaker 2: And there's so much money in that industry, And I

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Speaker 3: Find out what works for you. That's like, I feel

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Speaker 1: what works for you. It doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Well, I think that's all of our questions.

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Speaker 2: I mean, thank you so much for joining me and

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Speaker 2: going through and letting us like pry into your life

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Speaker 2: and get all the juicy ta the app Oh.

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Speaker 1: My gosh, you literally were praying at all. That's such

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Speaker 1: great questions. So it's really fun to talk about because

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Speaker 1: it has been a while since I was like the

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Speaker 1: new kid on the block with the bachelor stuff, so

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Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to think about again.

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Speaker 3: That's good. I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, sometimes it feels I don't want to

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Speaker 2: ask too many of the same things over and over again.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad that you enjoyed it, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us. I know you have to run. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for doing this on your lunch break.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, anytime, always always down to chat. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, welcome, bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Jess for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It was great to hear the behind the scenes on

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Speaker 2: how she met Ben and a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: her life in Colorado. Thank you guys for listening beyond

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Speaker 2: the Bachelor, We'll see you next time.