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Speaker 2: Well, well, well that was a surprise yesterday afternoon. We'll

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Speaker 2: dive into the firing of Tom Thibodeau and the replacements

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Speaker 2: NBA Final start tomorrow, Pacers at the thunder Pacers getting nine.

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Speaker 2: The Stanley Cup Final starts tonight with the Oilers a

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Speaker 2: slight favorite in this series against the Panthers in a rematch.

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Speaker 2: And it's time to celebrate. It's time to break up

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Speaker 2: the Colorado Rockies. They won their first series of the year.

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Speaker 2: How about a round of applause for your Colorado Rockies,

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Speaker 2: our Colorado Rockies. Bunny his seeds still available. With that

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Speaker 2: game against Miami the Marlins. Wow, it was like a

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Speaker 2: rumor that there was a baseball game, and that's where

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Speaker 2: you could probably be talking to somebody and a player

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Speaker 2: could say, hey, because it said paid attendance around five thousand,

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Speaker 2: there's no way that looked like there was about maybe

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Speaker 2: six or seven hundred people there. That's that's where your

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Speaker 2: conversation would echo in the ballpark, all right, eight seven

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Speaker 2: Twitter handle a DP show The New York Knicks, and

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Speaker 2: we wondered if you were going to label what kind

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Speaker 2: of season they had? Did they have a successful season?

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Speaker 2: Can you have a successful season and fire your coach?

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Speaker 2: That would be my question because I would think think

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Speaker 2: a lot of Knicks fans would say we had a

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Speaker 2: successful season. I mean, you had a chance to go

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Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals, but you fired your coach. Successful. Now,

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Speaker 2: we might look at this and say Tom Thibodeau took

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Speaker 2: them as far as he could take them, and they

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Speaker 2: need to bring in somebody, somebody who has experienced, somebody

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Speaker 2: who's won a title before. Perhaps, Now, if you go

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Speaker 2: back to when Michael Malone was fired by Denver, and

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Speaker 2: I said on the show after he was fired, Tom

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Speaker 2: Thibodeau has to get to the Eastern Conference Finals. It

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Speaker 2: feels like if not, then Michael Malone will be the

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Speaker 2: next head coach of the Knicks. He's got a title

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Speaker 2: in Denver, he got fired at the end of the season.

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Speaker 2: His father was a Nick's assistant coach. He knows the

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Speaker 2: landscape there. And you know, Thibodeau was doing a great job.

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Speaker 2: Now that I think he was going to get fired,

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Speaker 2: I didn't, and he did get to the Eastern Conference Finals,

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Speaker 2: but all of a sudden, out of nowhere, you're going

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Speaker 2: to fire him. Now, we might look at this in

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Speaker 2: three years and say, you know what, that's a tough decision,

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Speaker 2: but they made the right decision. There's still there's a surprise.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's the element of shock, but I'm not surprised

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Speaker 2: because nothing surprises me anymore. It feels like in sports

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Speaker 2: it's like okay, and this was one of those where

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Speaker 2: I went Wow, okay, And I don't know if Michael

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Speaker 2: Malone is going to be the number one candidate. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at the odds right now and it's got Michael

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Speaker 2: Malone as your favorite, a big favorite, and then it's

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Speaker 2: Johnny Bryant. I believe he's an assistant coach with Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: Jay Wright who retired from college, baunsketball, and he's been

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Speaker 2: in broadcasting. Mike Budenholzer, who's always available. Rick Brunson, Okay

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Speaker 2: have father son combination there, Monty Williams, Taylor Jenkins, John Caliperi,

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Speaker 2: Danny Hurley, Jeff Van Gundy. Those are just some of

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Speaker 2: the names. Now the odds are long with a lot

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Speaker 2: of those. It feels like Michael Malone is your He's

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Speaker 2: the number one candidate by far. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: fire somebody without knowing who you're going to hire. I've

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Speaker 2: always felt that do I think the Knicks would make

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Speaker 2: this kind of decision? And I thought maybe that Tom Thibodeau.

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody was pointing their fingers at Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: He was getting the blame they weren't going to, you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess focus in on Tom Thibodeau. It seemed like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: survive this, You're not firing Karl Anthony Towns. And then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like boom. Now people get

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Speaker 2: caught up in who pulled the trigger? Does that matter?

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Speaker 2: Leon Rose is basically he's run the team. He's your

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Speaker 2: president of basketball operations or whatever. I'd call it a GM,

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Speaker 2: but he's a former agent and Tom Thibodeau was his,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of his clients. They just signed Tom

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Speaker 2: Thibodeaux to an extension. I got thirty million dollar extension

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Speaker 2: last July. Okay, are you going to make these moves?

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Speaker 2: You trade away Randall and de Vincenzo, you get Karl

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Speaker 2: finals and you'd say, all right, you know that's pretty good. Now,

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Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns didn't play defense. People are surprised you

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Speaker 2: got a head coach who's a defensive minded guy, Jalen Bruns.

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Speaker 2: He's not a good defensive player. It feels like they

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Speaker 2: might have overachieved a little bit here. But I don't

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Speaker 2: know if ownership said, you know, the Celtics weren't there,

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Speaker 2: Cavaliers weren't there. We should have beaten the Pacers, we

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Speaker 2: had home court advantage. We should be playing in the

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Speaker 2: NBA finals. You know, we don't have depth here. We

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Speaker 2: use our starters too much. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Thibodeau started using his bench a little bit more in

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Speaker 2: the series, and I don't know what the tipping point was.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's one of those irrational moments

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Speaker 2: where the owner goes fire him. Wait, we just gave

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Speaker 2: him a thirty million dollar extension. I don't care fire

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Speaker 2: And then your agent, who's now your boss, is the

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Speaker 2: one who's firing you. But then he helped sign you

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Speaker 2: to a thirty million dollar and you're on the hook

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Speaker 2: to pay Tom Thibodeau all of that money. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you feel like you've graduated from the old way of

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Speaker 2: doing business with the New York Knicks, Like, okay, now

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Speaker 2: they're respectable. You know, it's a good, good team. You

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Speaker 2: got a respected coach, front office owner seems to be

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Speaker 2: out of the way. You know, former Knicks are now

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Speaker 2: allowed back in the building. You know, Okay, we're moving

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Speaker 2: forward here. And then all of a sudden, it's like

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Speaker 2: put on the brakes. I'll take you back to after

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Speaker 2: the lost Game six. Jalen Brunson was asked this question.

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Speaker 3: Gentlem, when you talk about the confidence, obviously, I feel

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Speaker 3: like nobody takes more criticism than Tom and this team

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Speaker 3: obviously has turned around during his tenure. Do you kind

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Speaker 3: of feel that going forward he's the same guy? Lift

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Speaker 3: you guys the rest of the way that next level?

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Speaker 2: Is that a real question right now?

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Speaker 4: He just asked me if I believe that, if he's

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Speaker 4: the right guy, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys for fun. And you know, I agree with

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Speaker 2: what Brunson was saying. Whether you feel otherwise? What are

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Speaker 2: you going to say? In that moment? Now, I would

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Speaker 2: have said, why do you think he is still the

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Speaker 2: right guy? I want? I went Brunson to tick off

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Speaker 2: things that Thibodeau does. If I'm a reporter, I would say,

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Speaker 2: why do you think he is still the guy to

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Speaker 2: lead the Knicks? And then you could get Brunson to

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Speaker 2: tell us what he sees with his head coach. But

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Speaker 2: once again, we might look back on two years, three

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Speaker 2: years and go I have a smart decision. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'll go back to when Doug Collins got fired in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: extremely popular. They brought in an unknown as far as coaching,

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Speaker 2: Phil Jackson, who had coached in the CBA, and then

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Speaker 2: people were like Phil Jackson, and then Phil Jackson came

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Speaker 2: in and the rest is history. We've seen where you know,

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Speaker 2: teams make a drastic move. Go back to Alex Smith

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Speaker 2: when he was the quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, You're going to go up

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Speaker 2: in the draft to get Patrick Mahomes, and we went,

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Speaker 2: why do you need Patrick Mahomes? Alex smithon they realized

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Speaker 2: they can only get to a certain level. And now

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Speaker 2: you look at that move as one of the great

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Speaker 2: draft picks in the history the NFL, a draft pick

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Speaker 2: that changed the NFL. But you had to make, you know,

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Speaker 2: a gut move. And they've had bad coaching hires in

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Speaker 2: New York, They've had bad rosters. I mean, the one

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Speaker 2: constant has been the ownership there. But it feels like

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Speaker 2: they move past that finally and then this this one

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Speaker 2: feels like a oh boy, is this the same old

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Speaker 2: Knicks here? Yeah, Marvin.

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Speaker 5: Another one from a coaching standpoint, when the Buccaneers got

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Speaker 5: rid of Tony Dungee and got John Gruden. They were

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Speaker 5: on the cuss so many times going to conference championship

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Speaker 5: games and they needed somebody to take them over the hump.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes you make these moves and they work

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Speaker 2: out and then we applaud you, and then other times

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Speaker 2: you make a move, and I mean, look at the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers with Trey Lance, like, hey, this is

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Speaker 2: our quarterback. We're all in on this guy. We're going

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Speaker 2: up to get him. This guy's going to be the difference.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna win us super Bowl. We're going back to

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl. And then all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 2: like Trey Lance can't play. And then you get Rock

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Speaker 2: Purdy and that saved jobs there. But you made a

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Speaker 2: decision and it could have cost to your job and

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Speaker 2: then you end up drafting Rock Purdy with the last pick.

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Speaker 2: It's strange how these things work out. This guy was replaced.

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Speaker 2: This guy, you know, took us to a championship. This

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Speaker 2: guy can only get us so far, whether it's a

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Speaker 2: player or a coach. But with Tom Thibodeau, I mean

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Speaker 2: we've seen him in Chicago, We've seen him in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: we saw him in New York. He's a respected coach

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Speaker 2: and maybe this is, you know, given his system, given

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Speaker 2: the players he has, this is as far as he's

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Speaker 2: going to go. I would say, though, whoever coaches the Knicks,

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Speaker 2: I'd get a little more depth and I would get

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Speaker 2: somebody who might be able to make up for Carl

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Speaker 2: Anthony Towns lack of defense. I can't blame Tom Thibodeau

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Speaker 2: for Karl Anthony Towns not being able to play defense.

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Speaker 2: When teams are singling you out, they're just running picking rolls.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing you can do. Karl Anthony Towns

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Speaker 2: had one block shot in an entire series. He's seven

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Speaker 2: feet tall, he had one block shot. Yeah, seen, is

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Speaker 2: that block shot thing more just about effort? Well, it

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Speaker 2: could be position, but I would say, can't you accident?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I got Brunson who has more block shots.

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Speaker 2: I would say effort, positioning, maybe wanting to be in

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Speaker 2: a situation where you want to block a shot, but

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Speaker 2: that is kind of surprising. Yeah, PAULI do you.

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Speaker 7: Guys find yourselves torn with this one because the NIXT

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Speaker 7: history suggests most of their moves don't work out while

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Speaker 7: also respecting the ownership for trying something and eating thirty

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Speaker 7: million dollars to try to get that one title. It's

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Speaker 7: very hard where to.

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Speaker 2: Go on this one. Okay. I like Tom Thibodeaux. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he is an elite coach. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a very good coach. But I mean I've seen what's

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Speaker 2: happened in Boston. I don't think they have an elite coach,

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Speaker 2: but they end up winning, or they've won a championship,

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Speaker 2: it gets weird. Michael Malone is a very good coach.

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Speaker 2: He got fired by Denver. There are times when you go,

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Speaker 2: George carl I think got fired after being he was

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Speaker 8: Yes, Seden, Yeah, I feel like the one thing you

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Speaker 8: can't criticize the Knicks for is not trying. Over the

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Speaker 7: Just the other day, the College Football Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: question for the first hour is going to be what

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Speaker 2: PAULI sent this one over? The Knicks are gutsy or

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Speaker 2: nuts gutsy or nuts. Gutsy or nuts or nutsy? That's right,

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Speaker 2: NUTSI you can only pick one. Todd Are they gutsy

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Speaker 2: or nutsy? Gutsy? All right? Seton? Is there a gutsy

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Speaker 2: done a good job. He changed this, I think, the

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Speaker 2: a golden parachute of thirty million dollars. PAULI has a

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeaux.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's the situation the Knicks and Thibodeaux found themselves in.

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Speaker 7: Okay, this is a newer one. This is an NFL

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Speaker 7: And then at the end of the season, this player

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Speaker 7: from him. Also unexpectedly, Sam Donald Sam Darnold is correct.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a way for you to bring

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Speaker 7: But my love for this Donald situation actually turned out

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Speaker 2: But they had already drafted JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you though, when he was throwing five touchdown

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Speaker 2: Him, You got to keep him, you got to go.

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Speaker 2: But if he was doing that and then in this

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Speaker 2: you know, a situation where you go, Babe, Sam Darnold

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Speaker 7: It's interesting that a guy who seemed to be locked

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Speaker 2: Uh, Chris and Syracuse, Hi, Chris, didn't have you back?

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Speaker 6: Hey, thanks as always, Damn Hey. I loved Don Cherryhead

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Speaker 6: that show with his dog Blue. That was always pretty

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Speaker 6: good too. And on the poll, I'm going to go

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Speaker 6: gutsy in a couple comments on my favorite teams. First

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Speaker 6: and I wish he hadn't. I think it was a

427
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Speaker 6: complete knee jerk reaction, probably by Rose. And I think

428
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Speaker 6: there's one basic reason he played campaign right Landrew Shama.

429
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Speaker 6: During the season. Those guys came in for thirty forty

430
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Speaker 6: five seconds at the end of quarters to give people blows.

431
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Speaker 6: I mean, they're not defensive stoppers, and he played them

432
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Speaker 6: significant minutes. He left Brunston on the bench a lot

433
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Speaker 6: of times where he didn't have any foul up trouble

434
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Speaker 6: and Dan, during the season, they never were defensive stoppers.

435
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Speaker 6: They played and I'm certainly am not talking about Robinson McBride.

436
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 6: We needed Robinson out there, but during the season they

437
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Speaker 6: never were out there for any significant amount of time.

438
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Speaker 6: Detroit series had a couple pretty good offensive players. They

439
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Speaker 6: didn't play them. Boston had we've been Boston healthy for

440
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Speaker 6: a lot of that series, he didn't play them. Brunston

441
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Speaker 6: and Cant were fine out there. I think to what

442
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Speaker 6: Marvin said, I think he could taste it. Rose could

443
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Speaker 6: taste the team I put together. We're ready and Boston's

444
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Speaker 6: out of the way, Cleveland's out of the way. And

445
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Speaker 6: I bet you during this series he's talking to Tibbs,

446
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Speaker 6: what are you doing? And Tibbs just kept going And

447
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 6: it probably didn't help him that Detroit, which is a

448
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Speaker 6: tough call. He had heart and Brunton he was trying

449
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Speaker 6: to get in at the scorer's table and they sat

450
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Speaker 6: there forever, and he didn't want to use the last timeouts,

451
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Speaker 6: didn't have a foul to gives so And to your point, Dan,

452
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Speaker 6: Michael Malone being out there made the choice a little

453
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Speaker 6: easier too, and him Jay Right or Monte Williams would

454
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Speaker 6: be great. And I just wanted to mention the great

455
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Speaker 6: Jim Marshall passed away and he was boy. He was

456
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Speaker 6: the quintessential Viking and arguably the greatest biking of all time.

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Speaker 6: And I know Bud Grant would co sign on that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, Chris, Chris and Syracuse becoming a

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Speaker 2: regular once again. Jim Marshall is not the Hall of Fame.

460
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Speaker 2: I think he started two hundred and seventy consecutive games

461
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Speaker 2: as a defensive lineman. He had I think a thirty sacks.

462
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Speaker 2: But he's known for one thing. He picked up a

463
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Speaker 2: fumble and ran the wrong way the game against the

464
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers, and I think they won that game,

465
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Speaker 2: but he's known for that he ran the wrong way,

466
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Speaker 2: and that's a shame because he was part of the

467
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Speaker 2: Purple People leads one of the great nicknames of all time.

468
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Speaker 2: That's back when your front four had a nickname or

469
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Speaker 2: your defense Doomsday Defense, the Steel Curtain. You know that

470
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Speaker 2: that was fun. But Jim Marshall not in the Hall

471
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Speaker 2: of Fame. Allan Page is a Hall of Famer from

472
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Speaker 2: that front four. But I was surprised that Jim wasn't in.

473
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Speaker 2: I think he was. He was one of the finalist

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Speaker 2: at one year but didn't make it. And he did

475
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Speaker 2: so many great community things, charitable things, and I know

476
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Speaker 2: that doesn't matter. It did to me, but you know

477
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: he just imagine playing that long. You played two hundred

478
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Speaker 2: and seventy games, and you're known. He retired at age

479
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Speaker 2: forty two, and you're known for one thing he ran

480
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Speaker 2: the wrong way. I think he is still the all

481
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Speaker 2: time leader in fumble recoveries. I think twenty nine or thirty,

482
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Speaker 2: but it was that one fumble that he's known for

483
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Speaker 2: over everything else. All right, Uh Buddha in San Francisco, Hi, Buddha,

484
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Speaker 2: what's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: What up?

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Speaker 9: DP?

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Speaker 10: Happy hump day boys, Let's go, Fritzie, let's go. And

488
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 10: why you spying this baby? I was going about my

489
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Speaker 10: day yesterday and then the Tiars firing came down and

490
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 10: I was it was just shocking, and that's what spawned

491
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Speaker 10: this phone call. I mean, listening to all the reactions

492
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Speaker 10: to the next last couple days and just that happening yesterday,

493
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Speaker 10: I had to call in with a five minute Paul question.

494
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Speaker 10: Are the Nicks the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA. I mean,

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Speaker 10: hear me out both of polarizing always in the news.

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Speaker 2: You know, they both have been they've been.

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Speaker 10: Absent of a championship quarters. They do silly things regarding

498
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Speaker 10: their team's decisions. I mean, the Cowboys as get bails,

499
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 10: the Knick taps screaming Nate Smith. There's a lot of

500
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 10: similarities there.

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Speaker 2: In in my opinion.

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Speaker 10: And you think about Tier one pressure. Whoever replaces TIBs

503
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Speaker 10: is gonna be in the pressure cooker and his hands

504
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 10: are going to be full.

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Speaker 2: This whole situation is.

506
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Speaker 6: Just not good.

507
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Buda. I don't think this owner in New

508
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: York does things to get clicks to have his team

509
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: talked about. I think Jerry Jones does that in Dallas absolutely.

510
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: I mean he's going to drag out the Micaeh Parsons

511
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: contract situation. He dragged out the Dak Prescott contract situation.

512
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: I think this owner in New York has just been

513
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Speaker 2: inept at times and who he was hiring or who

514
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: he's listening to. And they haven't had those marquee players.

515
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Dallas still has some guys you tune in

516
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: to watch. I mean, and I think you gotta be

517
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: fair to TIBs that Jalen Brunson wasn't a star. They

518
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: tried to get Donovan Mitchell, they missed on him, and

519
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: they brought in Jalen Brunson. The reaction wasn't overwhelming that,

520
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we have a left handed version of

521
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Clyde Fraser. I mean, Josh hart was a good player

522
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: in college, became a real good contributor. Dante DiVincenzo when

523
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: he played, became a contributor. I think that Tibbs deserves

524
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Speaker 2: some credit for helping to develop these players, and they

525
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Speaker 2: were building a roster to compete against Boston O, g Nnobi,

526
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Speaker 2: Mikhale Bridges. I wouldn't have brought in Karl Anthony Towns.

527
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Speaker 2: I would rather have had Julius Randall and Dante DiVincenzo

528
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Speaker 2: because then I have some depth. I have somebody coming

529
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Speaker 2: off the bench. You know, Julius Randall will score, k

530
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: can move the ball a little bit, good passer, you know.

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Speaker 2: Losing Hartenstein to Okay See, I thought was a big

532
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Speaker 2: deal because he's one of those energy guys, rim protectors.

533
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but Timms should get some credit here,

534
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: and maybe he won't, but maybe they just felt this

535
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: was the golden opportunity. We had home court advantage against

536
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Speaker 2: the Pacers. We blew a big lead fourth quarter, and

537
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: Haliburton hits that shot and that changed the whole complexion

538
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Speaker 2: of this series. Would they have fired him if he

539
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: got to the NBA Finals and they lost? If they

540
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Speaker 2: got gentlemen sweep, they lose in five? Does he get

541
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Speaker 2: fun like? I don't know. Was this a foegone conclusion

542
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: decision that was made maybe weeks ago. I just don't

543
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Speaker 2: know if it was so spur of the moment. Because

544
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Speaker 2: Michael Malone has been available, He's in the on deck

545
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Speaker 2: circle for somebody this offseason, and all it takes is

546
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Speaker 2: one phone call. That's it. Hey, don't do anything. Let's

547
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Speaker 2: see what happens.

548
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Speaker 4: You and me.

549
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it between us and if it doesn't

550
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: go the way the owner wants this to go, I

551
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: want I want you to know I'm gonna call you.

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00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, is that my interpretation? Yes, yes, Martin, Yeah.

553
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Speaker 5: I keep going back to if the Knicks lost to

554
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Speaker 5: the Cavaliers or to the Celtics, a fully loaded Celtics

555
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: teams healthy. All right, man, great season, But I think

556
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: it's still the Pacers. Man, we just beat the Celtics

557
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 5: and the Cavaliers are out the two teams that we thought.

558
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: You know what, they're probably better than us.

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00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: I just keep may are better than you. Yes, yes,

560
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: we inflate the Knicks because oh my god, they're the Knicks.

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: They're they're good, and I mean Cleveland was good all

562
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: year long and then they had injuries. Boston was a

563
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Speaker 2: better team. They had the injury to Jason Tatum. Oh

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you lose to a team that everyone thinks

566
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Speaker 5: and even you know that's better than you are, let's

567
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 5: play them hard, valiant effort. But if you lose to

568
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Speaker 5: the Pacers, this isn't any good.

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Speaker 2: I just think that's perception and reality with the Pacers.

570
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: The perception is they're the Pacers, correct, The reality is

571
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: they're the Pacers. There's a big difference. They're a good team.

572
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: They got depth, they got guys who aren't afraid. Now,

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Speaker 2: do I think Okac's gonna win? Yes, I do. I

574
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: think they're a better team. But I think that if

575
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Speaker 2: I'm ownership, and I'm going wait a minute, we didn't

576
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Speaker 2: have to worry about Cleveland, didn't have to worry about

577
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Speaker 2: Boston Milwaukee. We should be in the We should be

578
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: playing for the championship here. Yes, marm you and I

579
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Speaker 2: we knew the Pacers were good.

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Speaker 5: But if we said a in February, the Pacers are

581
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Speaker 5: going to make the NBA Finals, or somebody said pie

582
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Speaker 5: to the face, the Pacers have a real chance to

583
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Speaker 5: make the NBA Finals, I would have taken that against them.

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Speaker 2: They went to the Eastern Conference finals last year.

585
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Speaker 5: But so did the Hawks with Trey Young.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, that was year ago. But I'm saying I

587
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: didn't buy into a sixty win Hawks team.

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00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: Oh I didn't either with last year's Pacers team. I

589
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 5: was like, you know what great year?

590
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Speaker 2: No, okay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 8: But even by saying you know, Cavaliers are hurt, Celtics

592
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 8: are hurt, this is our window to sneak through. Really,

593
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Speaker 8: what you're saying is we're not supposed to go this far,

594
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Speaker 8: but we got a shot right now because we just

595
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 8: got lucky. Yes, that's saying your team's not very good. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: why in the world did you fire your coach when

597
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 8: you know your team's not very good and he's somehow

598
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Speaker 8: still getting you this far? Like it doesn't make sense

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Speaker 8: to me. It's like conflicting logic. We know the team's

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Speaker 8: not very good, but man, did we get lucky right here?

601
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Speaker 8: Well didn't take advantage of it? Better fire them? I

602
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Speaker 8: don't I don't get that.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree perception reality. We should be in

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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals only because these other teams were banged up,

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Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't be in the NBA Finals. We almost

606
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: could have been Dang, that would have been sweet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, more phone calls coming up. We'll take a

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Speaker 2: break back after this.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I don't believe it. A game saving Cats by TJ.

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau, Uh, he had consecutive fifty win seasons, so

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Speaker 2: that's the first time that's happened since nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 2: with the Knicks, and his wins are fourth among Nick's coaches,

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Speaker 2: trailing Jeff Van Gundy. He is one ahead or a

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Speaker 2: couple ahead of pat Riley as well. But on the

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Speaker 2: outside looking in, as they how long do you wait?

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Speaker 2: How long is the grace period before you name your

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Speaker 2: head coach? Do you do it right away to make

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Speaker 2: it seem like, hey, we know what we're doing, or

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Speaker 2: do you drag it out a little bit, get a

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Speaker 2: little more attention here? Who are they gonna who are

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Speaker 2: they gonna pick? Is Danny Hurley gonna leave Connecticut? Would

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00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: Jay Wright want a coach in the NBA? What about

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00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: Rick Patino? He'll take a new challenge every year. Yes,

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Speaker 2: ton I think you.

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Speaker 11: Don't want to make a two obviously, you had your guy,

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Speaker 11: if it'll past number of days or weeks. Even if

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Speaker 11: you did, we've got to just, out of respect to

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Speaker 11: the coach, wait a few days, so it looks like

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Speaker 11: you're painstake, you know, doing some interviewing and trying to

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Speaker 11: figure out what direction you're going to go in. It's

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Speaker 11: supposed we had our guy first round of the playoffs lineup.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But I remember during the NBA Finals back in

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Speaker 2: the nineties that Commissioner Stern would always tell teams, do

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Speaker 2: not be announcing, you know, coaching changes. Don't take away

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Speaker 2: from the NBA Finals. I don't know if the Knicks

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Speaker 2: are under that advisement, but I'd be curious about that.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to you don't want to take away

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Speaker 2: attention from the NBA Finals. Yes see see, I think

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Speaker 2: that's bs.

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Speaker 8: If you had your guy already, why don't you fire

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Speaker 8: him before the Pacers series so we could have advanced, Yes, Tod,

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Speaker 8: So if.

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Speaker 11: Kerr or Carlisle a supposter or pick one of the

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Speaker 11: top we consider the top current NBA coaches, if they

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Speaker 11: were coaching the Knicks, they make it to the finals,

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Speaker 11: they win the finals.

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Speaker 2: What are we saying about that?

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Speaker 11: There's someone better currently coaching another team if they can

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Speaker 11: get on.

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly that's what the Knicks are saying that if

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Speaker 2: we had a better coach, we would have a better result,

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Speaker 2: or you wouldn't have made this decision. But do I

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Speaker 2: think Steve Kerr would have guided them to the NBA

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Speaker 2: Finals or a championship or Eric Spolstra. I mean, we'll

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Speaker 2: never know. You play the hypothetical game, but I would

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Speaker 2: say no, I don't think they're better, no matter who's

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Speaker 2: coaching them than Oka. See, and I didn't think they

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Speaker 2: were better than the Pacers. And Seton brings up a

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Speaker 2: great point. If you're looking at this saying we missed

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Speaker 2: our opportunity, yes, see, that's breaking new. Seton had a

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Speaker 2: great point. Well, like my dog when you say peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: But if you're looking at this and you're kind of

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Speaker 2: handicapping your season saying, well, but Boston lost Tatum and

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Speaker 2: the Cavs were banged up, this was our opportunity, knowing

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Speaker 2: full well, you're not better than Boston, you're not better

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Speaker 2: than Cleveland, you weren't better than Indiana, And I think

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Speaker 2: that's fools gold to go. You know what, if we

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Speaker 2: had a new coach in here. If we have this

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Speaker 2: same roster, you're not getting to the NBA finals. In

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Speaker 2: my opinion, if it's Michael Malone, if it's Phil Jackson,

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Speaker 2: you're not getting I don't think you're you're ready. I

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Speaker 2: think you need depth. What did I say about Denver

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Speaker 2: when they won the title? They won the title because

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Speaker 2: they had depth. Yes, you do have stars, Yes you

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Speaker 2: have the best player in the game. You have to

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Speaker 2: have players who contribute. It's a half court game. When

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Speaker 2: you get to the postseason, you must play offense and defense.

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Speaker 2: You know, you watch a regular season game, it's up

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Speaker 2: and down, willy nilly.

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Speaker 10: So what you know?

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Speaker 2: We got Cleveland today and then we got you know, Sacramento,

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Speaker 2: and you're just playing and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: every possession matters, every game matters, and it's it just it.

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Speaker 2: It heightens the awareness of defense in the NBA. It does.

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Speaker 2: And Oka see has the best defense in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Now Indiana has great offense. I love that you have

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Speaker 2: contrasting styles here. That'll be fun to watch. Let me

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Speaker 2: see what else do we have. Brian in South Carolina?

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Speaker 9: Hi, Brian, Hey, did how you doing?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 6: Good? Good?

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Speaker 2: What's on your mind.

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Speaker 9: Two points about the firing for Tibbs. One, we don't

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Speaker 9: know if they have a bench. We don't know how

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Speaker 9: good their bench is because he doesn't play them. He

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Speaker 9: lived by the sword, died by the sort. He went

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Speaker 9: with a six to seven man rotation when Chuck Shack

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Speaker 9: and everybody else at the Mothership are saying we have

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Speaker 9: to go to an eight or nine men rotation. He

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Speaker 9: didn't make that adjustment until he was forced to make

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Speaker 9: that adjustment in game three. Yeap, so, so I mean

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Speaker 9: that's the first big piece and the second biggest pieces.

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Speaker 9: Teams in the knixt position in game one were nine

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Speaker 9: hundred and ninety four and oh before that game. There

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Speaker 9: has to be some type of consequence or you know,

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Speaker 9: a thought that, hey, maybe another coach will put us

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Speaker 9: in a better position when we just had an historic

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Speaker 9: loss that has shifted the series, and then we respond

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Speaker 9: by dr the game too at home. There has to

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Speaker 9: be some consequences, and I think that a Mike Malone

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Speaker 9: or even a Jay Wright may bring a better look.

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Speaker 9: And then even Mike Malone, I'm thinking we'll play more

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Speaker 9: guys off the bench than Tipps did this season, and

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Speaker 9: that combined with the losses in Game Game Morning game two.

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Speaker 9: Just sit him in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got to make sure the guys I'm

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Speaker 2: playing in Thanks for the phone call, Brian, bring up

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Speaker 2: some really valid points. I'm not going to just play guys.

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Speaker 2: I got to play guys who are good. You have

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Speaker 2: to have good guys who are coming off the bench,

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Speaker 2: who fit what you're trying to do. And you know

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Speaker 2: they might need kind of an enforcer there. You know,

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Speaker 2: somebody a tough guy. Jalen Brunson isn't getting taller and

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Speaker 2: he's not getting better on defense, and Karl Anthony Towns

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Speaker 2: isn't getting any better on defense. Now what do you do? Well?

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Speaker 2: Can you bring in players or a player who can

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Speaker 2: help fill in the gray area there? I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: the challenge here, or or Anthony Townsend Jalen Brunson better

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Speaker 2: be really, really really good at their job to make

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Speaker 2: up for the lack of defense. Like Steph Curry doesn't

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Speaker 2: you know, he can't play defense and Luca can't. But boy,

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Speaker 2: they make you pay because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: they may get forty and then the guy who's guarding

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Speaker 2: them gets you know, eighteen. You know that's advantage Steph

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Speaker 2: and Luca. But you know if you're going to live

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Speaker 2: by that and you might die by that, Yes, Bully,

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Speaker 2: and not having a bench.

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Speaker 7: That's on the GM and ownership because Jalen Brunson took

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Speaker 7: that team friendly contract. It's team friendly now and next year.

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Speaker 7: It won't be in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Coming up, we'll have more on this. Vincent Goodwill our

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Speaker 2: good buddy from Yahoo's Sports. I think he sat down

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Speaker 2: with Shaquille O'Neal talking about the NBA Finals. Also big

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Speaker 2: Shot Bob Robert or Orio. He will join us as well.

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Speaker 2: More of your phone calls. One hour in the Books

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Speaker 2: on this Wednesday. Two to go back after this on

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Speaker 2: the Dan Patrick Show