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Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The all we need is just

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Speaker 1: a little patience. Addition, as we look back at the Bengals'

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Speaker 1: biggest issues in their first two games of the year

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Speaker 1: and look ahead to Sunday's game against another OH and

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Speaker 1: two team, the Philadelphia Eagles. Coming up, Dave Lappham joins

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Speaker 1: me to discuss protecting Joe, connecting with AJ, and expecting

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Speaker 1: a better pass rush. This week's one on one player

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Speaker 1: interview is with Kevin Huber, whose goal twelve years ago

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Speaker 1: was to punt until he was thirty five years old.

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Speaker 1: He's made it, so what's his goal now? And finally

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Speaker 1: it's our no the Faux segment as we get an

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Speaker 1: entertaining look at the Eagles from Michael Barkan, who hosts

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Speaker 1: mornings on CBS Sports Network. Now, let's get to the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: beginning with this week's breakdown with Dave Lapham lap I

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Speaker 1: think when the schedule came out and we looked at

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Speaker 1: all right, that's an l right, but not anymore. The

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Speaker 1: Eagles struggled in their first two games worse than the

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Speaker 1: Bengals did. They blew a seventeen nothing lead to Washington

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Speaker 1: in Week one, gave up twenty seven straight points and

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Speaker 1: lost twenty seven to seventeen. Then they lost by eighteen

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Speaker 1: points to the Rams last week. Yeah. I mean they've

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Speaker 1: They've they've collapsed basically, and you know, you think, okay,

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Speaker 1: they don't look like the Philadelphi Eagles expected and anticipated,

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Speaker 1: with you, Dan, I mean, I think right now the

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Speaker 1: Eagles are doing a lot of things wrong. I mean,

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Speaker 1: six giveaways, dead last in the NFL, minus five turnover ratio,

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Speaker 1: turnover issues. Man, Philadelphia, they got more turnovers in a

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Speaker 1: bakery many they're just producing them. Left and right. Basically

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Speaker 1: a total of seven points. Should we be encouraged by that?

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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess you could be, you know, but

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Speaker 1: in two seasons games decided by eight points or less,

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Speaker 1: Biden big time. There's no doubt the Bengals are giving

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Pro Football Focus has the Bengals ranked twenty

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Speaker 1: Going from tackle to guard is easier physically because you

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Speaker 1: Although Fred got rocked man on that bullrush, he got

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Speaker 1: But it just goes to show you if you're tentative

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Speaker 1: Johnson has untapped upside. I mean he is he is gargantulan,

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Speaker 1: It has been announced that Fred Johnson will start again

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Speaker 1: I don't know where Redman, And I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: Is it a compilation of multiple Who knows? But I

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best finishers I think in the league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the dude is like distraught. If he doesn't

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Speaker 1: was a walk in a little short reverse touchdown run,

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Speaker 1: but it had like five pieces of motion to it.

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Speaker 1: It was like unbelievable. It's like, at this point, I

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Speaker 1: can't trust my eyes. My eyes are deceiving me. My

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Speaker 1: eyes are telling me this, my brain's telling me that.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like there's so much going on. I agree.

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Speaker 1: And the running game too, where's the pin and pull?

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Speaker 1: Joe Mixon was killing it with the pin and pull

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Speaker 1: getting outside. I haven't seen much pin and pull. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen a whole lot of it, you know. I

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Speaker 1: know in h in the second week in this game

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Speaker 1: against Cleveland, Cleveland played against Baltimore. Baltimore's offense is so unique.

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Speaker 1: They threw out the fronts and everything. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: had Garrett in a four eye technique inside and the

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle just blowing up the field to try to

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Speaker 1: disrupt some of the running game. You're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna line up like that against them.

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Speaker 1: And they lined up in wide seven and nine techniques,

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Speaker 1: so I can understand, you know, hammering the ball between

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Speaker 1: the tackles. Some try to come downhill and pound them. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see some of that pin and pull.

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Speaker 1: That was How many times do we see Joe Mixon,

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Speaker 1: you know, timing it perfectly, letting his offensive lineman work

448
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Speaker 1: tight end, pinning, tackle blocking down center, and guard pulling.

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Speaker 1: They're getting their blocks. Man, it's good looking stuff. Got

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Speaker 1: to see it. Like to see that again. It's interesting

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Speaker 1: that Joe Mixon because it feels like he's not getting

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Speaker 1: enough touches. He's averaging twenty a game. He is fifteen

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Speaker 1: carries five catches a game. Basically, they're they're they're putting

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Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. They are yep, they're just

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Speaker 1: right now. They're not getting any explosives everything. I remember

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Speaker 1: saying it multiple times because I'm thinking it again, and

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Speaker 1: I remember saying it during the Thursday night game Root

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Speaker 1: Canal Surgery. Every drive is like, man, you go on

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Speaker 1: a fourteen play drive for forty one yards. You don't

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Speaker 1: even average four yards of play on their first drive

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Speaker 1: and settle for a field goal. That's root canal surgery.

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Speaker 1: I mean, man a chevits, you know. And the thing

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Speaker 1: is the Philadelphia Eagles. Looking at their run defense, Dan,

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Speaker 1: They're only allowing three point six to carry, seventh best

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. They gave up a forty yard run.

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Speaker 1: Take that run away that they had seventy five carries,

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Speaker 1: So now seventy four carries two hundred and forty one

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Speaker 1: yards three point two five yards are rushed. They're not

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Speaker 1: an easy football team to run the ball on this

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Speaker 1: defensive line. Fletcher Cox, immovable object. I mean, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you they got they got, they got some guys. The guy,

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Speaker 1: the guy that I see playing pretty well again as

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Speaker 1: Malik Jackson. This dude, strong, explosive. You know, he's in

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Speaker 1: the rotation of three defensive tackles. Telling you not gonna

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Speaker 1: be easy street running the ball against these guys either.

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Speaker 1: You're not making me happy. Dave Lapplan, let's hit one

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Speaker 1: more topic. After having two sacks in the opener, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals did not have a sack or even a quarterback

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Speaker 1: hit on Baker Mayfield. So, Carl Lawson, what's the problem

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Speaker 1: with the pass rush. The struggled to stop to run.

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Speaker 1: You don't get that many attempts to just have dropped

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Speaker 1: back passes to get after the quarterback. So we got

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Speaker 1: to fix that problem first. And then you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: we have talent and the pass rusher should go get

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. But that's the narrative is, oh, you you

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Speaker 1: guts to struggled to get out to the quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: I'm like, when you're in third and short or put

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Speaker 1: teams in doing plays and boots and things of that nature,

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Speaker 1: you don't really get that many drop back opportunities. As

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Speaker 1: you see one of the best teams in league, and

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Speaker 1: then some defenses, you know, and then last year the

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Speaker 1: team that had the most sacks wasn't think it's Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: They stopped to run first, and then they had to

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Speaker 1: guys go get the quarterback. Um, Pittsburgh did a good

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Speaker 1: job of stopping a run. Then they get to go

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Speaker 1: get the quarterbacks. So people know what we could do.

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Speaker 1: People don't want to sit back, and you've seen what

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Speaker 1: happened at the end of the last season. The pass

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Speaker 1: russ picked up. That's because we were you know, more sounded.

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Speaker 1: We started playing again better against the run. So but

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Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to go sit there and be

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Speaker 1: a writer and be like, oh, the past rush sucks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, no, we got to stop the run

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Speaker 1: first so we can get those people in the positions

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Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, Carl, how frustrating is it

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Speaker 1: to have writers like us? Uh? Oh no, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not frustrating. I mean rantings do every day, So

508
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Speaker 1: like the narrative can change what you write in the day,

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Speaker 1: or this staves sucked next day. I've had so many

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Speaker 1: experiences that with media just talking when I was at

511
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Speaker 1: all and just like trashing me like a bout injuries

512
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Speaker 1: or or people on the fans talking to me. So

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Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't really affect me at all. Like

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Speaker 1: this is this is your job, this is how you

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Speaker 1: make your money. I'm not knocking you for your craft

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Speaker 1: at all. It's not frustrating at all. But like you

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Speaker 1: said that the narrative can change the next day. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, The right can change the next day,

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Speaker 1: and guests the job of that to do that's us,

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Speaker 1: you know, But until then you're gonna keep saying we sucks.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not mad at you at all,

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Speaker 1: like you're still offered it. We're cool. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what. Carl Lawson's got a pretty good

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Speaker 1: grasp on how this works. You play lousy, we all

525
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Speaker 1: say you stink. I turned it around the next day

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna love you. But he's also right about

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Speaker 1: the total inability to stop the run making it impossible

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Speaker 1: to get after the quarterback. Had a high school coach

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Speaker 1: played offensive defensive line in high school. In the high

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Speaker 1: school coach or my d line coach said, look, you

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Speaker 1: have to make them, or we have to earn the

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Speaker 1: right to rush the passer. It's not they're not going

533
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Speaker 1: to give you the right to earn the pastor you

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Speaker 1: have to earn it, meaning control the running game, put

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Speaker 1: him in bad down and distance situations, and get after

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. It is, that's simple. It's it's very very true.

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Speaker 1: When you're giving up one hundred and eighty five a

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Speaker 1: game on the ground, your thirtieth in the NFL, hard

539
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Speaker 1: to hard to pressure the quarterback. Plus when Cleveland, when

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Speaker 1: you know they get make Baker Mayfield a lot of pocket,

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Speaker 1: a bunch changed in launch point. That's tough. You know,

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Speaker 1: instead of a guy just being seven to nine yards

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Speaker 1: away from the line of screens depending on the five

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Speaker 1: or seven step drop like a statue. The only guys

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Speaker 1: they're going to play this year that plays like that

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Speaker 1: is Philip Rivers. Every other quarterback on their schedule has

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Speaker 1: some movement skills, so they're only going to play against

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, who they know exactly where he's going to

549
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Speaker 1: be every time he throws it pretty much one time.

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Speaker 1: So you better start stopping the run and put them

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Speaker 1: in third and long situations where these guys are going

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Speaker 1: to at least be in the pocket for a while

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Speaker 1: before they try to extend and create plays like every quarterback,

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Speaker 1: including Joe Burrow, is doing for the Bengals. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's part of the quarterback package these days is everybody's

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Speaker 1: not fran Tarkington, but they want them to be more

557
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Speaker 1: like Fran Tarkenton than Johnny You. They don't want him

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Speaker 1: just standing in the pocket, you know, and and throwing

559
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Speaker 1: the football. That's not the NFL these days. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to earn the right to rush the passer.

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Speaker 1: For the younger audience out there, Fran Tarkenton was the

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson of the sixties and seventies. Need proof, Google

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Speaker 1: search fran Tarkenton scrambling and watch some video on YouTube

564
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Speaker 1: to see what I mean. One of the Bengals best

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Speaker 1: performers so far this season is kick returner Brandon Wilson.

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Speaker 1: He leads the NFL with a forty three point seven

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Speaker 1: yard average on his three returns, and that's more than

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Speaker 1: ten yards better than anybody else in the league. And

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Speaker 1: he's not the only standout on special teams. Kevin Huber

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Speaker 1: is averaging more than fifty three yards on his first

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Speaker 1: eight punts. And I spoke to the bengals longest tenured

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Speaker 1: player this week. Kevin, I heard you say in a

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Speaker 1: recent interview that your goal when you got into the

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Speaker 1: NFL was to punt until you were thirty five years old.

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Speaker 1: You made it, but it sounds like you might have

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Speaker 1: to update that goal. Yeah. You know, when I first started,

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Speaker 1: my goal was, you know, back when I was a

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Speaker 1: young twenty something year old, I thought it'd be a

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Speaker 1: pretty good moles on a place weels thirty five. So

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Speaker 1: that was what I I don't know why that number

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Speaker 1: kind of came out, but that was my goal. So

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Speaker 1: I reached that, and now you know, the next goals

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Speaker 1: to plays on forty, so a couple more years for that.

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Speaker 1: Your first punt of the year was a seventy yarder

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Speaker 1: and we're not talking about a bouncing roll seventy yarder.

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Speaker 1: It flew about sixty two yards from the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: Were you like, WHOA, ielt good to start the year? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I came off pretty good. Obviously, like to have a

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Speaker 1: better bounce keep by the end zone, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it was one of those things. It's, you know, no

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Speaker 1: preseason games, just you know, you just want to get

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Speaker 1: a good hit on the ball to skip the year off,

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Speaker 1: start off right, so hanging time to be better. But

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Speaker 1: I was happy with the hit itself. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll take a seventy fifty you know, all day long. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fifty net after seventy gross. Right, we're chatting with Kevin Huber.

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Speaker 1: You're averaging fifty three and a half yards so far

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Speaker 1: this year per punt. And I asked Darren Simmons the

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Speaker 1: other day what's gotten into Kevin Hubert, and he said

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Speaker 1: he thinks the lack of OTAs and many camps might

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Speaker 1: have helped. Do you agree it was kind of like

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Speaker 1: the lockout year where you just kind of get ready

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Speaker 1: for the season, you know, you just instead of getting

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Speaker 1: ready to go for OTAs and you know, and then

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Speaker 1: you kind of calm down in the summer and then

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Speaker 1: pick back up in training camp. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just kind of took this year and I just

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Speaker 1: I didn't really rush anything. I just let it build

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Speaker 1: up until we got the training camp, and that way,

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Speaker 1: by the season I was ready to go. So I

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Speaker 1: think I was probably more fresh coming to the year

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Speaker 1: than I've ever been in the past, and just really

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Speaker 1: took it slower this year, knowing that, you know, we

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Speaker 1: weren't going to have you know, all the games, so

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Speaker 1: it just really just took some more time. Probably lifted

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Speaker 1: more this year than I ever had before, just because

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Speaker 1: I had more time to do that and just really

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Speaker 1: got myself ready for week one versus ready for OTAs

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Speaker 1: and ready for training camp. How do you think your

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Speaker 1: legs strength compares at thirty five too when you broke

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Speaker 1: into the league twelve years ago, it's probably you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably just as you know, just as

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Speaker 1: strong as it was. And then I've had a couple

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Speaker 1: of years where I was probably strong on him now,

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Speaker 1: But I think overall, probably you know a much similar

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Speaker 1: you know strength than I was when I first came out.

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Speaker 1: I think now I just know how to utilize it

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Speaker 1: better and get more out of it than I did then.

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Speaker 1: I think my form and my technique and just knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the game and when I need out of a

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Speaker 1: certain situation has really changed, which has helped me to

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Speaker 1: you know, use leg strength when I need it, but

633
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Speaker 1: also be able to back off when any too as well.

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Speaker 1: Kevin is the holder. You were obviously the closest person

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Speaker 1: to Randy Bullock when he missed his game tying attempt

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Speaker 1: in Week one. Could you tell what happened right away? Um?

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Speaker 1: I just knew that the hits sounded different. You know,

638
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't get to see the ball flight. I get

639
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: to see like the aftermath. I just knew, you know,

640
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: the ball. It just it wasn't the same kind of thought.

641
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: So I knew something that had happened. And then once

642
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I looked up and saw that he was grabbing his leg,

643
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I you know, I didn't know if he had um

644
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: pulled something to ur something. I had no idea what

645
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: was going on. Um, So you know, it felt so

646
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: bad for him Um, but I know, you know, he

647
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: came back last week and had a great game, and

648
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: you know he hasn't He's been, you know, more committed

649
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: now than you know, than I've ever seen him before

650
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: to you know, kind of to get back to, you know,

651
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: what we know we can do. And you know, I

652
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: think he showed that last week. UM, on our last

653
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: game and he made all his kicks. He had great kickoffs,

654
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: and I'm man pretty common he'll be able to do

655
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: that the rest of the year. A couple more questions

656
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: for punter Kevin Huber. Darren Simmons had his contract run

657
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: out at the end of last season, and Lapp and

658
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: I both thought that there was a decent chance he

659
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: would move on to another team. How happy were you

660
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: when the Bengals were able to retain him. Yeah, I

661
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: think that was huge. Um. You know, I think he's

662
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: a great coach. I think he's probably the best coach

663
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: in the NFL especial teams wise. Um. And the fact

664
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: that we have him is huge. And you know he's

665
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: able to help me individually with punning because he's punt

666
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: in the past, but I like it better for how

667
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: he can get the other guys ready for a game.

668
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: And you know, for me specific is the punt protection guys.

669
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: He's dealt the short end of the stick, you know,

670
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: week in and week out because he's the last guy

671
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: to know who's gonna get activated or and activated. So

672
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: he's got to get every guy ready. And you know,

673
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: there's no look that our guys haven't seen going into

674
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: a game. And that's a lot of confidence for me

675
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, whatever a team throws at us,

676
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: our guys are going to protect it. So the fact

677
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that he got signed back and you know he's now

678
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: here two or three more years of that is m

679
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: that's huge and that was a big confidence thing for

680
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: me as well, to be able to, you know, going

681
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: the season knowing that you know, no matter who we

682
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: have on the team, thirty of you ready to go.

683
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: So Coen, full circle back to the start of the interview.

684
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: If the goal now is to punt until you are forty,

685
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: hopefully that'll be the case. But have you given much

686
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: thought to what you're going to do when you are

687
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: no longer punting in the NFL? I actually got to

688
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: ask that question. I think it was the last night

689
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: yesterday some that I always think about that but it's

690
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: always you know, it's the changes from year to year,

691
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know from day to day is what interests me.

692
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I really liked the real estate field. What part of

693
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: real estate I would get into? Not really sure, but

694
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm not really like, you know, doubting on one thing.

695
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Kind of If something comes my way that interests me,

696
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: I'll I'll pursue it. But no real like set plans

697
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: right now. Just something comes on my way and I

698
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: like it, I'll try it out, keep blasting away, and

699
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about it for a few

700
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: more years. Well that's the goal. Hey, congratulations on a

701
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: great start. I appreciate your time. Best of luck this

702
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: week against Eagles. Thanks appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

703
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Now time to turn our attention to this week's opponent,

704
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: the going to Philadelphia Eagles. Michael bar Can host the

705
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: Eagles pre postgame shows on NBC Sports Philadelphia, and he

706
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: joined lapping me this week. I'm a Bengals game plan

707
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: show here in Cincinnati. An O and two start is

708
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: being seen as well. It's Burrows rookie year. They're bound

709
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: to be some growing pains. How is an O and

710
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: two start being received in the City of Brotherly Love. Well,

711
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: it's as you might expect, you know, in fact, and

712
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if Fox did

713
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: this or if the Eagles did it. I'm hoping it

714
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: was Fox. But if you watched any of the game,

715
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: you heard the Birds running off the field after one

716
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: of several miscues, and I'm being kind saying several, and

717
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: you heard booze if you were watching the telecast, and

718
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, are they booing them in their own stadium

719
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: with no fans. People think the season is on the brink,

720
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: even at O and two, and with the Bengals coming up,

721
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know, anything can happen on Sunday. There's no

722
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: reason the Bengals can't get win number one, and then

723
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: they've got to fly and play San Francisco. They got

724
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: Alison the first date. Um, it's going to be a

725
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: real uphill battle for the Eagles from here on out.

726
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: They should have blasted Washington in that first game, and

727
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: they had every opportunity to beat the Rams as well

728
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: as good as the Rams are, and it was it

729
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: was their own miscuse. It was their own sloppy play,

730
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: it was their own poor play calling. And I don't

731
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: know if that improves in week number three, I just

732
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: don't what do you guys think, you know, I'm looking

733
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: at Wentz and uh, he gets sacked five times in

734
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: the first twenty five plays against the Redskins, and and

735
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: that that that changes your clock a little bit. I

736
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of it altered his clock. Now. To me, it

737
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: looks like he's pressing and he's become a turnover machine.

738
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: Five giveaways, most in the NFL six by the team.

739
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: He's responsible for five of them, four interceptions and lost fumble.

740
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude is just he's now he wants

741
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: to get it out of his hand so quickly as

742
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: mechanics have fallen apart his you know, his form. I mean,

743
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: he looks like he's he's definitely, you know, definitely he's struggling.

744
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something that can be remedied by,

745
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, one good game against a team that's struggling

746
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: as well against the Bengals. But man, he looks like

747
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: a different guy to me right now. Yeah, I don't

748
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: know if it could be remedied, Dave, although it did

749
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: happen in somecembers last year and then he led the

750
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: team the last four games to the playoffs, and then

751
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: he got knocked out against Seattle. Unfortunately. I think all

752
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: of that has to in some sense form who you

753
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: are as a quarterback. He's just getting blasted physically, but

754
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: also he continues to give up his body, as the

755
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: hockey guys say, and I don't think that's a good idea.

756
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be more more careful. And

757
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: this week, week number two, you saw what happened week

758
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: one with the sacks, but week number two, the line

759
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: protected him. And it's his inaccuracy, as you spoke of.

760
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: He's not throwing the ball and placing it where it

761
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: needs to go. And there was one play in particular

762
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: to Dallas Goddard. Goddard's wide open, he throws behind him

763
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: on his back shoulder and God had almost got blasted.

764
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: There a couple other plays like that. The same with

765
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: the Sean Jackson. In fact, Jackson didn't have a catch

766
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 1: in the first half and then comes back and leads

767
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: the team in receptions with six. But it's something I

768
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: really go back to the departure of Frank Reich is

769
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: now with Indianapolis and John D. Filippo, who was the

770
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, and I think sometimes and then you can say, Dave,

771
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you can speak more to this better than I. But

772
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: sometimes there's just a chemistry between coach and player. There's

773
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: a comfort zone and there's an ability to make the

774
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: player understand better than when with other coaches and whatever.

775
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: It is this chemistry now with Press Taylor, who's really

776
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: the facto offensive coordinator, and the quarterbacks coach, and Doug

777
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Peterson and his words from the locker room that perhaps

778
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: you know Wentz doesn't always listen to the play call

779
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: and that he calls the plays that he wants to call,

780
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know if Peterson's on board with that.

781
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: So there's a whole bunch of tumult going on right now.

782
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: But I really think it started with that with the

783
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: departure of Reich and Di Filippo. After the Super Bowl,

784
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: we're talking to Eagles pregame and post game host Michael Barkan.

785
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: We know the Eagles have had injuries on the OH line.

786
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: How is the group that they have now okay, below average?

787
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: How would you consider these guys? I think it's okay.

788
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's so easy to just say, oh, these

789
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: guys can't play. I mean, you know they're not Jason

790
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: Peters on the left side. It's not Lane Johnson. And

791
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: even Jason Peters isn't Jason Peters anymore. But I think

792
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: this line is all right. You know, they still have Peters,

793
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: still have Kelsey. Peters has not been a major issue.

794
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: As old as he is, I think I think he

795
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: came back in good shape and I think he's all right.

796
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: They've got this rookie at right guard, Nate Herbig, and

797
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: then Lane Johnson, who missed the first game, but Jack Driscoll,

798
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: this rookie came in and he was okay. For Lane

799
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: Johnson the first week. It wasn't because of him that

800
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: they got all those sacks. And Johnson comes back in

801
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: at right tackle and the line kept Carson Wentz clean. Um,

802
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's an issue there. I think

803
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: there is an issue with the with the tight end,

804
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz, the All Pro tight end. He's not getting

805
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: the ball very much. And as you may have heard,

806
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: he's complained about his contract situation and he's expressed that

807
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: he's not he's unsure that the Eagles want him to

808
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: finish his career in Philadelphia. Well maybe they don't. I

809
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: don't know, but don't cry about it, start catching some

810
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: balls and maybe you leave to get a new deal.

811
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: He's got a contract, by the way, that always you know,

812
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, Dave, you gotta love that the

813
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: arrow which you played, you know, you got a contract

814
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: and plays pays some pretty good money. Finish the darn

815
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: thing off, you know, I know you're Zach Ertz. But

816
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: and then Dallas Goddard, honest the goodness, who was drafted

817
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and a lot of people

818
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: raise their eyebrows because we thought many they got a

819
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: top fight tight hand and you get in, you bring

820
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: it in another one. And then sometimes it looks like

821
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: he just doesn't know what the plays are. Sometimes he's

822
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: yelling back to Wentz like do I got here? Is

823
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: it over here? And so that's a problem. But he

824
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: is a physical specimen. So but I'd like to see

825
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: Ertz get the ball a little bit more. And then

826
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: there's Doug Peterson, who I don't know if you've heard

827
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: or seen, is kind of like his mentor Eddy Reid,

828
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: who got his first trophy, which is nice because he

829
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: was beloved this town. But he doesn't run the ball,

830
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't run the ball, then they get their

831
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: brains beat in. Then he runs the ball and usually

832
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: that'll send him back to a more fifty fifth not

833
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: it's never fifty fifty, but to a more fifty fifty

834
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: type of offense. And they still lost against the Rams,

835
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: But I think that had more to do with Carson

836
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: Wentz and his inaccuracy and his throwing into double coverage.

837
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know what's going on with him right now,

838
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: but they got to figure out quickly, you know, let's

839
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: flip to the other side of the ball. Jim Schwartz,

840
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean defensively, he's the kind of guy that he

841
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: doesn't want to blitz all that much. He wants to

842
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: rush four drop seven. Have four really good rush guys.

843
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: They don't even really twist and stunt all that much.

844
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: He just wants to overpower you with good players in

845
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: the pass rush and then play good sound defense on

846
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: the back end. That's what it looks like he's doing

847
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: in the early stages here. And shoot their top ten

848
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Speaker 1: and yards allowed yards per play their seventh, I mean

849
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: they're fifth and yards passing aloud. Has it just been

850
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: bad field position because of the turnovers? I think that's

851
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: the way it was in week number one, and I

852
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: guess to some sense week number two. But these guys,

853
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: there was one play at the end of the game

854
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: last week where Josh Sweat is it's kind of spying

855
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: Jared Goff and Goss out there, and Sweats just kind

856
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: of jogging like he's not gonna run. He's not gonna run,

857
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: and oh my goodness, he run and then then he's

858
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: too late and Cop ends up picking picking up six yards.

859
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: And so I think these these guys need a wake

860
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: up call, Um, Brandon Graham, how about trying to, you know,

861
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: set an edge for everybody. Fletcher Cox has not been

862
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: what he can be. He's not been his Pro Bowl self.

863
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: But the other thing is Dave. They've got linebackers that

864
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: should be safeties or Nathan Gary. He's hand tackling guys.

865
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: He's undersized. And the Eagles have long believed, indeed, if

866
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: not by stated uh intent, they have long believed that

867
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: the linebackers really don't have a big place in the defense.

868
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: And so they have these linebackers that really are not

869
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, they're either playing out a position or they're

870
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: just not as good as they need to be, Um

871
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins. They let go to the to the Saints,

872
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: as you know. And then they moved Jalen Mills, who

873
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: was a corner and he was an okay corner, but

874
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: they moved him to strong safety, Rodney Mclouds at free safety,

875
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: and then they brought in Darius save Detroit and that

876
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: was a great and crav Craivon LeBlanc. LeBlanc is out

877
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: there as the nickelback with Avante Maddox is the right corner.

878
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: It's um, you know it just it has not worked.

879
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: They've looked really bad. And with regard to m to

880
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz, I guess the bottom line is does your

881
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: team have more points than the other team when the

882
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: when the clockage zero. But Schwartz gives up tons of

883
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: yards all the time and tons of points, and everybody

884
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: kind of glosses over it because they went to the

885
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in eighteen and then you know nineteen Wentz

886
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: has hurt all season. There's always an excuse. But to me,

887
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: lets Schwartz's defenses give up way too much yards and

888
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: points and that's the bottom line. Our guest is Michael

889
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: Barkan Eagles pregame post game host on NBC Sports Philadelphia.

890
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: Here's my last question, Michael, you mentioned Jalen Hurts. To me,

891
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: that was a curious draft pick. You've got. Carson went

892
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: second overall pick in the draft MVP candidate before he

893
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: got hurt a few years ago. Did you find it

894
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: strange that they selected a quarterback in the second round

895
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: with the other needs they have on the roster, Dan,

896
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: I think the entire NFL establishment found it strange that

897
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: you take a guy with the fifty third overall pick

898
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: when you've got a Pro Bowl quarterback and a guy

899
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: who were not for an injury in his second year

900
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: would have likely won d MVP. I think everybody thought

901
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: it was bizarre. And then last week, I don't know

902
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: if you know this, excuse me. He had been inactive

903
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: in week one and Nate Sudfeld had been the number two.

904
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: Sudfeld was inactive in week two and Hurts was the

905
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: number two QB, and then he was in there for

906
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: a couple of snaps. They put him out at wide receiver.

907
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: But at some point you got to ask yourself, if

908
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: this is the guy that you're gonna use him, and

909
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna use him as a decoy, you have to

910
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: use him at some point don't you. I mean, you

911
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: have to otherwise the defense is just gonna say, yeah,

912
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: they put him in there every every play they ever

913
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: go to him. So at some point he's gonna have

914
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: to get the ball, whether it's under center, or whether

915
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: it's a pass from Wentz or or it's a wildcat formation.

916
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: But that is the you know, you start getting into

917
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: the into the weeds with this, and you can go

918
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: all day because that Howie Roseman is a general manager

919
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: of Philadelphia Eagles, and a lot of people questioned that selection.

920
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: They questioned many of his selections through the through the years.

921
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: And you may recall that when Chip Kelly came in,

922
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: they spent one year together and then Chip basically said

923
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: either that guy goes or I go. And at that

924
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: point everyone thought Chip would still a genius, so they

925
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lewis, the owner, said yeah, okay, we're gonna put

926
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: you how at the end of the hall and stay

927
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: out of Chip's way. And then they brought him back

928
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: when they fired Chip, and how he was celebrated after

929
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl. And he has had some

930
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: good drafts, but I think a lot of them have

931
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: been wasted drafts. And I don't mean just at the

932
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: number one pick, I mean entire draft and so um.

933
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that that happens with with top flight

934
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: gms and top flight teams that are there every single year.

935
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: The most important position, in my opinion, I'd love to

936
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: hear your guys on this. The most important position in

937
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: any organization is the guy picking the talent. Because you know,

938
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: you can be inferior a coach, and you can have

939
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: some players that are a little off. But the guy

940
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: who's selecting your talent needs to know what talent is.

941
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: And I question that at times with Howie I really

942
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: do play? I was going to say play by play

943
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: guy is most important, followed closely by the person picking

944
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: the talent. You're right, You're right. I'm sorry, Sorry Dad,

945
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: I think you're right though. I mean I'm expecting a

946
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: Hurts package, you know, gadget gimmick stuff. When you're struggling,

947
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: you got to come up with something. I think they

948
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: are going to come up one final question. Thanks, thanks

949
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: for Cardinals. Are you kidding? Sc guy? I know we're

950
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: on Marshall Street, right there we go im Street. I

951
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: love it. Get a little slice, all right? So I

952
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: thought the Bengals are having a hard time finishing. The

953
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles have scored three points in the second half

954
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: and two football games they've been all scored thirty six

955
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: to three. No, they've been shut out in the third quarter,

956
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: three points in the fourth quarter. I mean, my goodness,

957
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: talk about not finishing. What's up again? I think that's

958
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: Peterson And I always thought a strength of his was

959
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: the adjustment at halftime, thinking, well, it's not going to

960
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: get worse. They're not going to double up on the

961
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: score or they're they're they're not going to fail to score.

962
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: But that's what's That's what's happened, Dave. That's exactly what's happened.

963
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: And I think there's some kind of communications gap going

964
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: on with Peterson and Wentz. I don't know what that is.

965
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: And I think the defense is just they need to

966
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: get They need to get kicked in the butt. They

967
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: really do. And Jim Schwartz to me, this is a

968
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: defining game for him. But you can do before it

969
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: just one more if I can have one more question,

970
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: what are you making of the Bengals offense? Joe Burrow.

971
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: I saw what happened how he threw away Game number one,

972
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: which was a shame. He's a rookie with that little

973
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: shovel path that got picked off. Um, I don't I

974
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: don't know what happened last week, But what do you

975
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: make of this guy in this offense? Well, he was

976
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: thirty seven for sixty one in the in week two,

977
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: only sixty one yeah, yeah, second most ever by a rookie,

978
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: and he had the most completions buy a rookie. He's

979
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: he's um. I think he's he's cut from a good cloth.

980
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: He's got some five or two him. He's the real deal.

981
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: He's far from their biggest problem, that's for sure. And

982
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: after the interception that you referenced in week one, he

983
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: threw a game winning touchdown pass with seven seconds to go,

984
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: they got wiped out by a semi bogus call, right

985
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: so off he bounced back nicely from that. That's the

986
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: thing about him. He has a short memory. You know.

987
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: He moves on, He compartmentalizes. He uh, he doesn't let

988
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: he doesn't let one bad play turn in multiples. I mean,

989
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: he's pretty sharp. He's he's a mature guy, very mature,

990
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: very patient. I think he's gonna be I think he's

991
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna be around for a long time. Yeah, Well, I

992
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: love watching him play at LSU, and I love the sensibility.

993
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: I'd love when he came at ed Burrow Spell within

994
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: eau right XU. And I'm really I'm really looking forward

995
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: to seeing him play. He gets it. He'll have much

996
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: more on the game this Friday and the Bengals pep

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