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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything, all right, everyone, We have a like

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Speaker 1: a boatload boatload of guests. I don't know if you could.

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Speaker 1: You don't count as a guest, Johnnie. So there's Yanni

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Speaker 1: and then three, uh, Matt Moyson, who I've known for

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Speaker 1: it's more than that. No, yeah, yeah, it's more two years. Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Fitzgerald, who I've known for Like, if I've known

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Speaker 1: Matt for twenty I hadn't known you for twenty five

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Speaker 1: early college. Jimmy Dorn and I don't know really at all.

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Speaker 1: Bare what's the pizza with the what's the pizza with

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Speaker 1: the hot red peppers on it? I don't know the

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Speaker 1: pizza with the hot red peppers on it? You don't

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Speaker 1: have a name for that. We have one called the

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Speaker 1: Carols and that that's pepperoni and hot peppers on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy and dor and I just brokered a boat deal.

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Speaker 1: Broke a boat deal. Excited about our boat deal. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty excited about it. I think the terms are completely reasonable.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to put some terms around it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you break it, you bought it. Now.

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Speaker 1: First thing I want to get into is we have

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Speaker 1: a guy like he's like the resident philosopher that never

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Speaker 1: met him, a dude named Luke Ryan who always writes

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Speaker 1: in with vexing questions. I want to pull you guys

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Speaker 1: on a question Luke Ryan had. Luke Ryan says, um,

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Speaker 1: what one I want to do first? Here's the first one.

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Speaker 1: If you had to guess, imagine that you're standing on

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. I had this whole scenario go through my

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Speaker 1: And then we realized, no, they're not on private, they're

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Speaker 1: around the corner bullet trespass, I'm gonna have to shoot across. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: but that didn't happen. But I had these exact thoughts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand who who? I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: did I also find out you gotta elk without you

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Speaker 1: having known you gotta? It's been a busy weekend, So

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Speaker 1: who are you out with? My buddy Brady and I

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Speaker 1: Didn't even like tell me about it? I figured I

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Speaker 1: about stuff. All Right, So here you are, you're yanness. Okay,

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Speaker 1: just look at your honest you're jest and you're on

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Speaker 1: public looking at a dear elk. What have you? On public?

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Speaker 1: But your bullet needs to cross private. Your bullet will

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Speaker 1: have to trespass to get there. Is that legal or

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Speaker 1: not legal? Matt? It's perfectly legal. And here's why I

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Speaker 1: don't I'm saying in a declarative way because it sounds

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Speaker 1: don't own airspace when you own the land, and that

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Speaker 1: is what your bullet is traveling through. No, no bootprint,

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Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me address that. Why is it?

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Speaker 1: Why is it illegal to corner hop because you have

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Speaker 1: I know what you I mean, what you understand? Corner

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Speaker 1: This is another landscape or land issue, ownership issue. Imagine

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Speaker 1: Checkerboard situation. Literally, imagine a checkerboard and you're only allowed

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Speaker 1: Matt Moyson is telling you, and that's illegal. That kind

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Speaker 1: at what point is it? Because what at what altitude

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Speaker 1: does it become private? I don't know. I can't go

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Speaker 1: So we need to get this one because I haven't

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Speaker 1: a poor analogy, probably, but I'm gonna use it. In

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Speaker 1: the NFL, in order to determine a touchdown, the football

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Speaker 1: has to break the plane and that plane goes up.

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Speaker 1: That's how they use to demarcate an end zone for football.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it seems I am a sports fan.

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Speaker 1: Are you a Seahawks fan? Jimmy dorn Is, Holy ship?

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Speaker 1: Is that kind of Seahawks fan? I got with? I

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Speaker 1: When your body never touches the end zone, you win.

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Speaker 1: All you gotta do is have that ball over that

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Speaker 1: if it just passes through and passes back out, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You cross that plane. That's a turn they crossed,

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Speaker 1: So it's like all those I didn't know the football county.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, But we're not asking you what you want,

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Speaker 1: ramifications of my decision making? I don't know. I would

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Speaker 1: For permission or forgiveness, it's a lot easier to ask

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Speaker 1: A whole different story. My brother, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: of him. But there's a feller who poached the buck.

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Speaker 1: And the buck got confiscated by the State Fishing Game Agency,

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Speaker 1: and the State Fishing Game Agency, as they often do,

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Speaker 1: He's not. You can't touch it. Yeah, they confiscated it,

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Speaker 1: able to see the elk and don't see him for

423
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen minutes, just long enough from like

424
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: what's playing be gonna be like, do we just go

425
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: for the big power loop or we're gonna turn around

426
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: and go home? And um, right there and there, we're

427
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: just kind of being dumb hunters. Were out on a

428
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: pretty exposed ridge at this point, and you know, hands up,

429
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: our butts and our fingers and boots and uh, what's

430
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: that's an expression? Yeah, we're not not not paying attention.

431
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: And I glass over kind of just just out of

432
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: my prifery where I wasn't really wasn't expecting to be,

433
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: just kind of into the trees a little bit. And

434
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: there's accountable, which was the oddest thing, right because it's

435
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: middle of December and you're expecting to see like a

436
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: minimum of a dozen cows together, right and if you

437
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: see maybe just an animal or twould be like two bowls.

438
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: But to just see a cow and a bowl together

439
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: struck us as odd. But like they're actually in love.

440
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: It's not just like most elk is just sex. Just September.

441
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: So that's a life partner issue there. Ye, well I

442
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't help that out put him back on the market. Um,

443
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, we just snuck right in there. And even

444
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: I think season has been closed for three weeks now

445
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: in Montana. So I was expecting to have some chill

446
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: elk and you know, they'd be out feeding late snowy morning,

447
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: and then this cow was definitely like moving towards the timber,

448
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: moving towards the timber, and we had to hustle a

449
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: little bit to get within rifle range before she got

450
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: back on to private. So not what was the dude

451
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: your hunting was doing? Just came along? Oh he wasting? No, no, no, sorry,

452
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: just not not shooting, just hunting. We're just enjoying the hunt. Yeah,

453
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: it's perfect, man, We got her out in two trips. Um.

454
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what else say about it. It was,

455
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, easy, It's just I've just had my feelings

456
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: hurt that I had to find out about it by

457
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: reading a text chain between you and and Kevin Murphy

458
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: the world's Greatest small game hunt. Yeah, well he was

459
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: piling it on. Man. That dude has been all across

460
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: North America shooting. Dude, if you get into a text

461
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: message war with Kevin Murphy about who's been doing what, yeah,

462
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to come out on top. Um Fitzgerald. So

463
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: you only get to be here because you only because

464
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: you went on you finally after all the years I've known.

465
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: You know, you could have been on because you're an

466
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: avid angler. For an angler, I think that would get

467
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: me get me passage onto the show. You could have

468
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: been on because you're an angler, but you only recently,

469
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Like why you only are you went on your first

470
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: hunting trip. Can you explain to me what? Why? Like

471
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: why not before? But why all of a sudden? Now? Well,

472
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I actually did used to hunt when I was in

473
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: probably like nineteen twenty, but it was like deer camp

474
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: hunting off North Michigan. My cousin owned a place like

475
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: forty acres up in Fife Lake. Oh dude, I know

476
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: five Lake Will. I know that's where Matt drosslives and

477
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: uh so I would go up there during the fall,

478
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, once one weekend of every fall and try

479
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: to go get a deer. In fact, the first time

480
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: I ever went hunting, I was walking out to my

481
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: tree stand, had my rightfle on my shoulder, and I

482
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: was probably it was like you know, four three in

483
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: the morning, come walking around a bend and there is

484
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: an eight point buck just standing right there and my

485
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: guns on my shoulder. So I'm thinking like, man, this

486
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: is this is it? Uh, it's easy. So I take

487
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: the gun on my shoulder and as soon as we do,

488
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: things gone. So I was like, well, I'm bound to

489
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: see another one here soon. I see twenty years a

490
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: lifetime pass. Uh. There's there's a writer. There's a gun writer,

491
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: David petzel Um, who has a line where he says, uh, Now,

492
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: he's an interesting figure because he's like a gun writing columnist.

493
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: But he's also but he's kind of weirdly infatuated with

494
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: like celebrity, who's famous? Do they deserve being famous? Stuff

495
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: like that? And doesn't Isn't he the one that kind

496
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: of plays like the grumpy gunwriter? Yeah? Like he um,

497
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: he has a he has a what one would call

498
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: it stick, which is probably Yiddish, right, think he has

499
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: a stick of it being a he's a grumpy guy,

500
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: like a grumpy old man, but he's aware of things

501
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: that grumpy old man aren't aware of, Like he has

502
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: big opinions about like Miley Cyrus. So like the normal

503
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: like grumpy old man that I know. If I went

504
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, what's your take on what Miley

505
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Cyrus has been up too lately? They would look at

506
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: you like right, yeah, crazy right? So it's like this weird,

507
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: grumpy old man thing where you're sort of like real

508
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: hip to pop culture but hate it, but you got

509
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: a lot to say about it anyhow. He says slings

510
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: have saved more animals than Peter Slings like rifle sling rifles.

511
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know, because you don't know if you

512
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: remember your story you just told us a minute ago.

513
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I did. I forgot that he's an outdoor life for field. Yeah,

514
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: very good writer, who is very funny. But it's just

515
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: like he's a it's a complex sort of things he's

516
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: got going on, like the intolerant grumpy old man slash

517
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: pop culture critic, which is actually like something you can

518
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: really develop. I was just gonna say, it sounds interesting.

519
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: We might want to see what we can get him

520
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: on to talk about it. Yeah, I would like that.

521
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Can you ask him if he just always carries his

522
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: rifle like this out in both hands. Yeah, slings save

523
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: animals if they save shoulder arms? Man, Like, what do

524
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: you when you're climbing around? I think that what I

525
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: think that the real lesson there? Well, you know you

526
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: look at pictures of you know, this will help you

527
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: look at like the Africa guys, the professional hunters, the

528
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: phs in Africa, they don't use slings. There is carried

529
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: over there. They don't carry their guns either. Well, no,

530
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: the pH does. He'll have his gun over his shoulder,

531
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: but he's also fifty yards from the truck hunting flat

532
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: ground and there's a lot of danger stuff. They can

533
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: stomp you. I mean, you know it's he spin back

534
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: around and set it on the truck. But yeah, they

535
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: don't use them for that reason. I think that you

536
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: could be Yanni is not tell him to give everyone

537
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: your thoughts about slings, Johnnie, if we're gonna get back

538
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: to you for years. But I went through a phase

539
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: of not carrying one for that reason. Readiness. Yeah did

540
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: you really? Yeah? Yeah? And as I got it enough guys,

541
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean it only happened a handful of time. Is

542
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: but that would even be prepping them, like, hey, we're

543
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: about to come over our eyes. Good chance it's gonna

544
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: be you know, something ahead of us here. Maybe you

545
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: should be ready, and maybe I should just said take

546
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: the gun off your shoulder and you know, carry it

547
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: in a field ready position. I didn't, but yeah, we'd

548
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: peek over and there's that bowl looking at you like

549
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: there is and you know, as they get their sling

550
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: off pieces out. So but you know, one of the

551
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: things we've gotten so kind of like paranoid about safety

552
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: and stuff that I usually don't even have a round chamber.

553
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: So the least my problems is having the thing on

554
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: my shoulder. You know, it's funny. I mean I never

555
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: even considered it, Like, I never considered the sling as

556
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: being a uh, having an impact on readiness. It would

557
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: just never occurred to me. It's pretty fast. It's a

558
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: good point. But yeah, if you walked around with it

559
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: up against shoulder all time, crack off, there's a time

560
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: and place, you know, Like I'll put on my backpack

561
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: if it's dark. I don't really put on my backpack.

562
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Any chance of seeing it if my gun's on my

563
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: backpack is because my tag is punched or it's pitch black. Right.

564
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: I hate that feeling. But you've gotta be able to

565
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: recognize like when you're sort of again to use my

566
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: expression from earlier, but like kind of like Didley dialing

567
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: and not paying attention not haut and then you're going

568
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: down a trail and you just go, man, it's a

569
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: good chance that something could be just standing here in

570
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: any moment and get the rifle off your shoulder and

571
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: just remember everybody taught they taught that. What do they

572
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: call that? It is called like the cross field field carry, right, Yeah, uh,

573
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: stone stone glacier. They got the pack thing. You ever

574
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: see this? Yeah? I have it? Ever really stuck that.

575
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: I just go like, no, no, no, no, that's not

576
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: where there's but you know what you're talking about. What

577
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: your quick draw if they have one where you look

578
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: it to your pack. But there's this little tab so

579
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: it rides behind your shoulder. It's it's vertical, You're right,

580
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: is vertical behind your shoulders strapped to your pack like

581
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: total hands free. There's this little tab. You can kind

582
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: of like talk into your shoulder strap or whatever. And

583
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: when you pop that tab, it's like you're pulling a parachute.

584
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: You pop that tab and your rifles free. Really does

585
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: it come down into like a like a field ready, No,

586
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: it's like you pop it. Then you kind of reach

587
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: over your shoulder and grab the barrel or whatever, grab

588
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: the stock or barrel. Everyone just lifted out of the

589
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I would like to see that work, because yeah,

590
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: I have a hard time imagining that's what is? Why

591
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: is How's that better than a sling. It's not better sling.

592
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: It's worse than a sling. Oh, I thought you would

593
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: arguing this for having no total hands free. Well, it's

594
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: better in the sense that, like even a sling requires

595
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: some care, you know, every couple of minutes. And so

596
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: this is like intermediate. It's either in your pack and

597
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, you have no gun. Right,

598
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: this is like halfway between. Yes, okay, okay, I got it.

599
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: It's like, man, this is a long ship hike. Yeah,

600
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: and I'm always whatever need in my hands two take

601
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: leaks and open gates and whatnot. And you just put

602
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: the thing on there and then but if I have to,

603
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: I'll pull that ripcord. Yeah, I've done it, and I

604
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: keep my ripcord handy. I haven't. I've never had to

605
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: do a quick release. But everybody's fits there. You never

606
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: got a dear as a kid, never got DearS kid,

607
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: No hunting up fife light you guys hunting bait. Uh

608
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: some years and then some years now because your cousin

609
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: you know a little piece of land like forty acres

610
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: up there, you head hunter safety Yep. The other time

611
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: that I went hunting, not that long ago, up on

612
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: San Juan Island with Chef Andy. We were hunting those

613
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: chef chefoot. We were hunting those uh those are Columbia

614
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: black tail up there right. So you know you can

615
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: only use a shotgun on San Juan. So I had

616
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: a shotgun and I had I was probably fifty yards

617
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: from a little buck and I had it lined up,

618
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: pulled the sugar gun. Misfiredn't it's not used here, I

619
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: swear to God, and nothing took off. So I need help, man,

620
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm here for help. We'll know if we're gonna get

621
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: to your successful hunt. I know I want to get

622
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: a deer. I want to get in fact, yeah, hearing

623
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: about Matt's you know Elk hunt a couple of weeks ago.

624
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: I want to get over in Montana maybe with your brother.

625
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: You get inspired by that. I did get inspired by that.

626
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: So did the firing pin. It's not hit. It must

627
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: it must have, because yeah, because then we went somewhere

628
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: else and you know, I react and shot it. We're fine.

629
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. You guys tried to hunt your on

630
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: sand One I own. Yeah, this is about five years ago. Oh,

631
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: I do remember this, so so you have Dilly daily. Yep,

632
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I have. Now, I don't want to say where it was.

633
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna say that you were just beyond the fact

634
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: that it was in North Dakota. Beyond the fact that

635
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: it was North Dakota. Um, don't get in any great

636
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: special specifics, but talk about your impressions of turkey hunting.

637
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: It was. It was so fun. I mean, it was

638
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: the most interactive kind of you know, game experience I've

639
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: ever had. I mean with fishing. I don't fly fish,

640
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: so I know that's a lot more physical and interactive,

641
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: and you're reading things differently. Oh, they'd sure like to

642
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: think it is that unless you want to go down

643
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: a real different path. Yeah, I've done it, but yeah, sure, yeah.

644
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, with the walking out in

645
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: the woods, looking around, making those calls and then all

646
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden hearing that response is just one of

647
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: the most exhilarating outdoor experiences I've ever had. And then

648
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, posting up, putting decoys there, and then calling

649
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: him in and just what you know, the first day

650
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: we were there only about four hours and Matt called

651
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: in a big tom and just to kind of see

652
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: that thing, you know, a hundred yards out coming in

653
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: through the willow, and then all of a sudden he

654
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: got closer, you know, big plume goes up. I mean

655
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: it's just one of the most exciting things I've ever

656
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: seen outside and that that was and Pooter got him.

657
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: So then the next day we went out early in

658
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: the morning and the same kind of setup, just walking

659
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: around the woods. Got a call posted up. Yep, and

660
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: it didn't take long either. You know what they call that,

661
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: they call that spring thunder? Spring thunder? Yeah, what are

662
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: they calling the fall? They don't go. I mean some

663
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: dorks gonna write in about how they do go hobble

664
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: in the fall, and they do, but not like they're

665
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: do in the spring. Spring. They're fired up. Yeah, as

666
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: they gobble in the spring, as will Primo says, they're

667
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: out there saying this is my time of year in

668
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: the spring. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was incredible. It

669
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: was incredible. Yeah, I got a jake the next day.

670
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: It was also the first time I've ever seen a

671
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: turkey fly. That was interesting, really impressive. Were you where

672
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: they could fly? I knew they could fly? What are

673
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: they like? A gallanaceous bird? Right, And I knew they

674
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: could fly, but they can't fly along, right, They don't

675
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: fly a long distances. But just to see him fly

676
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: like they were, they were much more agile than I

677
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: than I would have expected. Yeah, I would never accuse

678
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: him of loving to fly. Yeah, powerful flyers. I mean

679
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: as far as just like the amount of energy and

680
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: noise and just like uh yeah, when they take flight.

681
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: It's not a subtle thing. Now, you know, you know

682
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: what you like fl you know what you're like walking

683
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: through the woods and and like a grouse will scare

684
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: you to death, like a turkey is would would put

685
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: you in your grave. I mean they it sounds like

686
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: somebody shooting at you. You know when the one of

687
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: those things takes off. You know, me and my boy

688
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: were out Jimmy were out there on Sunday when I

689
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: took a little look for some small game and he

690
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: had his first getting the ship scared out and by

691
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: a rough grouse. But it blew out of a tree

692
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: about head high. But still the same fact. It's super surprising.

693
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: So that so here it comes and you level off

694
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: on him. Well, that jay got in close. He was

695
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: in god probably, I mean it seemed like ten yards.

696
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 1: He was right, he was right there, maybe even closer.

697
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was super close and U

698
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: coming right up to that decoy. And so this is

699
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: the first time you've ever fired a shot because you've

700
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: tried one, you screwed up because you're sling. Then you

701
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: had your I would argue that you did something wrong

702
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: with your shotgun. I would I would respectfully disagree, but

703
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: I no way to tell. Can we fack out to

704
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: the shotgun question real quick? I don't want it? Well,

705
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: did you look at the primer? Was the primer dimpled?

706
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask that. Was there a strike mark

707
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: on the primer? There was? All right, right, but not

708
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: even You know, it's funny we're muzzlower hunting is here

709
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: in in Maryland and I heard a guy off the

710
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: swamp half a have we're just a cap? Have just

711
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: either the pan or the cap? What time? It's like

712
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: you know you're hearing right now, and then like boom,

713
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: you know this thing's allowed right, it's like real like

714
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: And also went off the swab here where the guy's

715
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: cat went off in a dignite. It was like prime time.

716
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: It was like this dude was shooting at a dude

717
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: was definitely shooting. It was like he was just getting

718
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: rid of the so um any feelings of remorse or anything, like,

719
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: what was your emotion? Pure, pure exhilaration, just you know, Well,

720
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: I was nervous because I was like, all right, I

721
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: felt like the twenty year weight of history on my shoulders,

722
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: right because I've had to, like, you know, two experiences.

723
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Do you just refer to it as your slump buster? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

724
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah I will now for sure. But yeah,

725
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: it was, I know, it felt, it felt incredible. It

726
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: was wild, like how active that bird was after it

727
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: gets shot. Oh, just I mean they don't flailing. And

728
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: then you know, it was with Matt and we ran

729
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: over there and he basically jumps on the bird and

730
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: pushing all the air out of it. I guess is

731
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: that what he's saying. Yeah, and uh yeah, no, no

732
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: feelings are remorse at all. It was it was. It was, yeah,

733
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting outdoor experience I ever had.

734
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: You probably realize this. It might be counterintuitive to some folks,

735
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: but that flailing is a is a way for you

736
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: to see just how dead it is. Mhm. Because like,

737
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: the more you know, for people who haven't a turkey

738
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: when you shoot a turkey shooting and it generally like

739
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: if you had with the shotgun and shooting in the

740
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: head with a shotgun, and well when you chop the

741
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: head off a chicken, off the chop about chicken. Yeah,

742
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: So when you see that like really just explode, like

743
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: fluttering and jumping around. I don't look at that and

744
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's gonna get away. It's more like,

745
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: oh man, he's dead or and dead. I would prefer

746
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: it though, because they do sometimes just fold their wings

747
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: up and just lay over. You don't always get a

748
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: flop kind as they do just kind of just literally

749
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: fold their wings and tip over. But because a couple

750
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: of times I have seen it where it's like the

751
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: flop and they keep getting a little farther away and

752
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: they flop and all of a sudden they're flopping, but

753
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: they're on their legs and you're like shooting in any

754
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: flopping that is them going whatever they're doing, but they're

755
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: going the other way. I take that as a very

756
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: bad sign. Oh yeah, that's different than what I'm talking about.

757
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is that because they have him,

758
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: it's not a clean well he's got what okay, like

759
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: but degree circle, what are the there's right a three

760
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: sixty degree circle, and if he's picking that like fifteen

761
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: degree band that's directly away from me, I'm like, that

762
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: feels to me like, um, sure he could be doing

763
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: a general flop or there could be more to this,

764
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's coincidentally chosen the opposite direction

765
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: to do that in I get like real nervous, But

766
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they look that different for a second,

767
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what I'm saying, Like

768
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: general protocol is like pull the segger. As soon as

769
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: he's like flopping or whatever's going on, I'm up on

770
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: my feet and gaining some grounds. You'll never be glad

771
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: that you didn't run over there. There's no like pro

772
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: to not running over there. All I'm really trying to

773
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: say is birds flop around a whole bunch as evans by.

774
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: If you've ever dispatched chickens, It doesn't mean that he's

775
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: like kind of still alive, that's all. Yeah, But no

776
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: bad feelings, No, No, it did surprise me the day

777
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: before when Peoter got that Tom how fast Matt was

778
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: running towards that bird. Once Pewter shot like exactly like

779
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: you said, you honest, like he was sprint into that bird.

780
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: That surprised me. I wasn't expecting that, but I lost

781
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the turkey. Ones hit him, assumed that he was down

782
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: and didn't get older fast enough. We were on a

783
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: very steep slope and he pitched off that slope and

784
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: just vanished. Really, you couldn't even begin to go look

785
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: for him. What was down the slope like a thick

786
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: some big mountainside. Oh oh jeez, and he like went down.

787
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got a turkey. The thing

788
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: took two steps and it was a steep pitch, like

789
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: I said, took two steps, pitched off that hill and

790
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: it was just just gone. Now only one time I've

791
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: seen one shot that covered ground faster than anything I've

792
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: ever seen, Like my buddy Eddie shot too, and the

793
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: second one was only winged or whatever. And that thing vanished.

794
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean it, I saw it running when we couldn't

795
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: throw down on it, and I was just like, I

796
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: was pretty impressed with its track abilities. I mean that

797
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: thing was yeah, tootles, you never found him, never found it.

798
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 1: Did not look and actually just you know, miss Aim

799
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: because if you don't hit him in the head of

800
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: the neck and he just body shoot to mean you

801
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: just get that big puff of feathers. I mean, you

802
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: might have a few pellets that we've their way in there,

803
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: but a lot of times not lethal fits. Were you

804
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: field questions about your wife? Uh? Yeah, Can I hear

805
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: some first before I decided your wife? Your wife eats seafood.

806
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: She does doesn't like red meat. Would she have eaten

807
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: the turkey you shot? Probably not. The only time she's

808
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: eaten meat in the last fift twenty years was in

809
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Montana when we were helping out at your brother's wedding

810
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: making all that elk Ravioli and she accidentally ate one.

811
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: Now she she's like, I guess maybe just we just

812
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: worked too hard in that kitchen, and she's like, screw it,

813
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat one. Yeah, she didn't. She liked it,

814
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: but I don't think she would eat the turkey, but

815
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: she likes to eat fish. M hmm. What what do

816
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: you think is going on there? I understand it, yeah,

817
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean not not. Yeah, It's like, you know, I've

818
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: known people like that in my whole life. She's known

819
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: at a very young age that meat was not for her,

820
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: Like she was a kid, you know who was complaining

821
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: to her parents about anything that was meat at the table,

822
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: and it was just a you know, it's just it's

823
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: just a essential part of who she is. Meanwhile, you

824
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: have a shirt on that's a meat chart over cow.

825
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: I like meat. So you feel that the turkey wasn't

826
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: gonna it probably wouldn't. No, I probably wouldn't do it.

827
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: Maybe if I got a bigger animal, maybe maybe maybe.

828
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean she's eating milk. So so do you picture

829
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: now that you will go on more outings, more hunting trips.

830
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: I would like to. Yeah, I would definitely like to. Um,

831
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason that I haven't done

832
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: it regularly is that I feel like I've always kind

833
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: of been a little out of my element doing it.

834
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't grow up hunting. I didn't have

835
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: like a you know, a brother who took me hunting

836
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: or anything like that, or even friends until I met

837
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: you guys were and uh so you know, it wasn't

838
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: something that I felt I had a lot of agency

839
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: to do on my own. And uh, you know, it's

840
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: like do you ever play poker or a black jack

841
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: at a at a casino. Yes, no, because I feel

842
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: too out of my owner exactly like you don't want

843
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: to screw up everybody's else's you know, game, right, And

844
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: I kind of feel I felt like that way for

845
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: a long time about hunting. I don't want to go

846
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: out there and mess up somebody else's situation. Yeah, that's

847
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: a good analogy, man, because I'd like to play black jack,

848
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: or used to not like, but we would play black

849
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: jack at two dollar tables because you go there and

850
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: everybody at the table sucks. But then when you go

851
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: on your with serious players, right, you become like very

852
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: self aware at black jack, Like how do you say,

853
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: like all these guys suck, suck at what okay? Deciding

854
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: if you hit or st and that they have like

855
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: real set opinions about stuff out what you stay on.

856
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: So like you could be playing black jack and I'm

857
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: not like dr black Jack. But there are people who

858
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: are suspicious enough for irrational enough to be that if

859
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: you took a hit, that's illogical, that you have disturbed

860
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: the cosmos and have robbed them of the card that

861
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: would have been theirs, and it will be mad at

862
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: you because if you knew what you were doing, you'd

863
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: have known to never take that hit. Therefore you have

864
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: offset this thing that was in motion between the stars

865
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: and the universe. And so what you're saying is those

866
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: are tables. Like it's not that the people suck, it's

867
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: that the odds that somebody's gonna come play at that

868
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: table who sucks and messes it up for everybody else

869
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: is higher. Like you could you could have people. I mean,

870
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: when I sit down, if I was gonna sit at

871
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: one of those tables, and I have to go to

872
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Las Vegas every year for work one and I always

873
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: really bad want to do it. You want to go

874
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: play black time? Yeah, but like fits where I feel

875
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: like I will take too long. I don't really understand

876
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: when to do what that they'll have some irrational blow

877
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: hard get like pissed about something I did, and and

878
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: and because it doesn't really really mean that much to me,

879
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: I just sometimes don't unless I see a table where

880
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: no one's there, or I'm with a couple of buddies

881
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: of mine, Like last year, me and Yanni threw down

882
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: for a long time because we just had our own

883
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: little scene. Yeah, we had the whole table, well, maybe

884
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: five out of six spots We had like five or

885
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: six guys that we all knew each other, and so

886
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: we could go play and I didn't need to feel

887
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: like I was like inserting myself into this this thing

888
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: that was going on my unprofessional to get good. Eventually,

889
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: Like you're watching the cards so much that you sort

890
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: of in a way start to count cards, right, so

891
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: you kind of know what's been coming out, and so

892
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: you're sort of like, but no, it's like six decks.

893
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't. You can get in trouble for

894
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: own cards. If you can go play at Binions or

895
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: go playing some of the old school casinos and they'll

896
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: play single deck blackjack, that would be different, and I

897
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: would allow that that would be very higher minimum bet.

898
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: Are you play poker house? Odds are bad if you're

899
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: playing against another player. I just don't. Yeah, I like

900
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: poker a lot. Do you win a lot of money

901
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: at board? No? No, I don't. Haven't played in quite

902
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: a while, but I played a little bit. It's fun.

903
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Why why do you like a professional football? But? Wow,

904
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: that's a jump. I don't know. I've always they don't

905
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: know you, they don't like you, they don't live they're

906
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: not from here. I was born. I've been playing football

907
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: since I was you know, a kid up. They're not

908
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: from here, He's trying to explain. So he called me

909
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: and asked me to go fishing on a night there

910
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: was a Seahawks getting like, oh, I'm going to the

911
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: football game, and he could not wrap his head around

912
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, senilities, I don't know. I just I've

913
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: always love football. I get I'm emotionally invested. I mean

914
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: in people that you don't know, you know, who are

915
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: just I played team sports all the way through college.

916
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I just always been attracted to it, and

917
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: I never to play at that level. But yeah, I

918
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: know you're right and I'm wrong because everybody likes sports, Jimmy,

919
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: I would feel remiss if I didn't stick up for

920
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: you a little bit here because I don't even have

921
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: Like I didn't grow up watching football and I never

922
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: played it, but I like it now as an adult.

923
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: I like watching football. I have a team that I

924
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: hope wins. I hope wins a game. I can't explain it.

925
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: What team is it? It's the Green Bay Packers. Really, yeah,

926
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: that's cool. They're pretty good. Why but you're from I

927
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: can't I can't leave Jimmy didn't have hung out to

928
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: dry because I'm even everybody on the planet, I know,

929
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: I know. So I've had another friend of our got

930
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: into watching football and he's like, because I hate TV

931
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: so bad, I find myself that I'm in front of

932
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: a TV. It's the It's the most genuine seeming thing

933
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: to me, the football, Like watching the game. It just

934
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: feels like you're actually watching something genuine. Yeah, it was

935
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: an early childhood like it's like honest and genuine. It's

936
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: a contest. I mean it's but you're right. I mean,

937
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: they don't know you, they don't you know. I can't

938
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: even explain it, but I do recognize now as an

939
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: adult that I enjoy it. Yeah, but for me, it's

940
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: just always been there. Like corn Husker football on Saturday

941
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: mornings is one of my earliest memories. I was probably

942
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: for you know, so Cornhuskers like the hand lotion. No,

943
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: you're funny, now, you just pissed off everybody in the brasket.

944
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: There's a team Cornhuskers go big red really professional football

945
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: tea no, no, no, college college football. Alright, it feels

946
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: so bad, but not on about him. Um okay, now,

947
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dorran can you lay out you're Can you explain

948
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit about your Oregon hunting? Sure, it was easy,

949
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: it was great. What the trip the hunt itself? Yeah,

950
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: just kind of how it goes down. Um, buddy's got

951
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: a great big place. And how I met him, Russ,

952
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: I met him at your restaurant. Yeah, I was tending

953
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: bar and this is probably like the mid nineties. I

954
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: was still tending bar before I owned the place. And

955
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: he came in with another buddy of mine and we

956
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: started talking about fly fishing, and then it was, hey,

957
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: you want to go fishing. And we've been good friends

958
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: ever since. And uh, bunch trips and I guess I

959
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: want to say around two thousand or something, his dad

960
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: bought a great, big, huge place kind of by fossil

961
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: oregan cattle range. Uh, it big. The previous owner did

962
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: grace cattle on there. Um, there's some light egg, there's

963
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: some wheat, and there's some hay and stuff there. But

964
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: it was just mostly recreational n they do. He has

965
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: a he has an agreement with his neighbor that we

966
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: can hunt on his property if we allow them to

967
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: graze cattle on his So it's kind of a good

968
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good handshake deal. That's that's lasted

969
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: quite a long time. And uh so we get to

970
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, just so that that that's the deal. That

971
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: is the deal. Grazes. He grazes your buddy's land and

972
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: your buddy gets hunt his land. That's correct. Yes, it's

973
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: a great spot. I mean the John Dave River runs

974
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: right through the middle, smacked out through the middle of it.

975
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: So there's fantastic small mouth fishing and steelhead right now,

976
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: and um every kind of bird you wanted to shoot

977
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: more or less. Uh, and fantastic elk cunting. There's chucker.

978
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: There's a couple of pothole ponds, so they're stucks. You

979
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: can shoot for sure, not as many. I mean you

980
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 1: walk down and pop couple in the morning. That's about

981
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: the extent of or day. I he jumps, shoot him,

982
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: Um a lot of times you can actually you can

983
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: push him back and forth if there's actually between the

984
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: whole Have you guys done that where you're going? We

985
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: used to do that in stock ponds. Now and then

986
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: instead of going in are trying to kick him off

987
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: and take a shot, Just kick him off, throw two

988
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: decoys out and hide and wait yeah, they come, I

989
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: don't even leave. You'll see him circling way out and

990
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: then like all those dudes are gone now, So I was,

991
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: what's that? But they're not gone, they're hunger. Um just uh,

992
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: pretty easy two yards uphill shot. One just came around

993
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: the bend. It was skylit, perfect beautiful, perfect symmetrical four

994
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: point buck and it took one look at me and

995
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: that was the end of that. It was just it

996
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: was really easy and dragged it downhill. It was like

997
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: one of the most There wasn't a pack out. It

998
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: was a hundred and fifty yard downhill, dragged to my

999
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: truck and then strung it up. So do you feel

1000
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: that kind of the hunting donners making you pretty soft?

1001
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I agree. I had occasion to go out on a

1002
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: high buck hunt in the Passade and at the beginning

1003
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: of the season, and I was a little unprepared and

1004
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed at my level of being

1005
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: a bit to be honest on some of it. We

1006
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: got there and I had kind of ms rett a

1007
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: forecast and you know, probably good idea to look not

1008
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: the valley floor, but actually where you're gonna start going in,

1009
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: and we rode horses in like sixteen miles way back

1010
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: in there, and I'd kind of not I'd read the

1011
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: brochure and whatnot, and the outfitter was just great people,

1012
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: but you know it was they kicked the wallton off

1013
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: the off the side of the mules and then we

1014
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: got in late and drop off drop hunt. Yeah. So

1015
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: you you hired an outfitter to pack you in, but

1016
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: then he just drops you off pretty much you're looking

1017
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: country and then you're like two seeing a week and uh,

1018
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: sixteen miles in Yeah, And I hadn't ridden a horse,

1019
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: and I mean I had ridden a horse fairly recently,

1020
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: but not that far. I just I was surprised where

1021
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: I hurt the next day? Yeah, your buttocks region, my knees.

1022
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Where was the weird thing even? Yeah? And uh but

1023
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: we woke up and I was with my really good

1024
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: friend of mine, Henry, who just was amped about the

1025
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: whole deal, and it just man, I woke up cold

1026
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: and I thought I read cot not bring a cot.

1027
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: I read there was. Yeah. So the setting up the

1028
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: tent and they had had this big burn band and

1029
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: the whole hunt cana came off late because the area

1030
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: was closed and the outfit really had to put the

1031
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: screws to the Forest Service to get him to let

1032
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: him go back in there. They close fire season, they

1033
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: were the whole, the whole they had closed the whole

1034
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: wilderness area anyway, so you know, nothing was set up.

1035
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: We kind of got in. There was a burn band,

1036
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: so we weren't allowed to make a fire. And then

1037
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: you know it was it was really it was pretty cold.

1038
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: First day, a sleeping on the ground and dude, you

1039
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: sounded awful right now, Yeah, it wasn't. I wasn't super jack.

1040
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean whatever just saw from this or no, no, no,

1041
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: I think it's accumulation of a lot of So so

1042
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: what wound up going on there? What happened were seeing

1043
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: big giant bucks run round. Didn't see you buck? Saw

1044
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: about fifteen dose total, saw one spike, but it's a

1045
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: three point minimum. How like if you had on a

1046
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: sliding scale of one to temp, how hard were you hunting? Uh?

1047
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: I would say about a nine. I mean he had

1048
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: to do, you know, you two thousand vertical to get

1049
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: to where he wanted to glass. You had to get

1050
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: up in the morning and do that in the dark.

1051
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: And then the second day it snowed nine inches, so

1052
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: throw that into the mix days jab six. You stuck

1053
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: it out for six hunt days. It was either that

1054
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: or walk sixteen miles out there, made you know. And

1055
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I actually had all of that from funny thing too,

1056
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: I'll admit it. But like I had all my ship

1057
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: packed and I looked at it on the map in

1058
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: the whole area, part of a specificresh trail, and I

1059
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: knew where my truck was. And I got to thinking

1060
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: because my feet, my feet got wet on the second

1061
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: morning and they didn't dry out, and we kicked the

1062
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: whole no fire thing to that. We're like underground. I'm

1063
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: pretty sure. I'm like, they want to write me to

1064
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: take it, I'll go to court on this one. And uh,

1065
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, we made a fire, got kind of comfortable,

1066
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: but you know, I didn't really get warm for about

1067
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: a week. Did you get some of wood stove? No,

1068
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: but went old stove. Yeah. Weren't allowed to bring in

1069
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: a stove. Oh, I see, because of the band. So

1070
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: I was just kind of all thrown together at the

1071
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: last second. And my buddy Henry's really super just nice guy, resilient.

1072
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: He really tolerated me being a ship head for a

1073
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: couple of days because I'm sure it wasn't too fun

1074
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: to be around, but it was up and down. I

1075
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: mean it was according to my iPhone, it was, you know,

1076
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: eighty stories a day and it's straight up looking around

1077
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: for you your ass off for six hours. And I

1078
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: got good at taking a nap when I was cold.

1079
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: But it was great. It was you know, it was

1080
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: a hard hunt. Um, ridiculously beautiful place. I'm going back,

1081
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: but spit. I'm sure it's that gonna be well, you

1082
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: know I'm eating hot. Yeah, well, I'll bring a cot.

1083
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: And I had also misread. I thought it was fifty

1084
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: pounds of gear per person. So I got like mountain

1085
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: house and my jet boil. And this other group of

1086
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: hunters came and they literally brought like RVs worth of ship.

1087
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: Like they had boxes and you know, eight days worth

1088
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: of prep food and coolers and pack alongs, and you know,

1089
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: I had my one little and he dropped those guys

1090
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: off on top of your camp. No, he dropped us first.

1091
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: And that's another reason why he just the wall tent

1092
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 1: went off here you go, because it was getting dark

1093
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: and they had another three and a half miles to go.

1094
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: So we were hunting in this one big basin and

1095
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: they were in the next so there's just only two

1096
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: groups and normally he has like six or seven groups.

1097
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: So it was beautiful and it was it was worth

1098
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: every penny and I'm gonna do it again. And uh,

1099
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've apologized to my buddy a bunch of

1100
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: times for yeah kill No, we didn't kill you never

1101
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: saw anything but a spike. There are those guys, dude,

1102
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: the Washington high buck Hunt. Man, the more I talked

1103
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: to people about it and even you're stirring inspiring story there.

1104
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: Um No, it was just it's the same one that

1105
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: Carmen was talking about. Well, yeah, in that it's an

1106
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: early season high buck hunt. Dude, I'm gonna get weight.

1107
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna become like Joe high Buck. I think I'm

1108
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna change my name to Joe high Buck. You're funny.

1109
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: I am so fired up about the high Buck Hunt.

1110
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: I'll show you where I went and Ei, there's no

1111
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: way that you don't love it. It is just absolutely beautiful,

1112
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: like ridiculously gorgeous, and there's tracks and I'll go with you. Dude.

1113
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're still doing that because I'm starting to

1114
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: feel that, um like the Oregon private land hunt you

1115
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: go on. As fun as it sounds, it just seems

1116
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: like it's gonna make a spoiled brand out. I went

1117
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: to Montana as well, and that was legit. I mean

1118
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: there's some walking around at least, you know, it wasn't

1119
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: nearly as easy. So I mean, I'm fortunate enough to

1120
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: go to this place in Oregon. It's just lousy with deer.

1121
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's yeah, it's hard to not go. It's yeah,

1122
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go as long as they keep letting me go. Yeah,

1123
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of public land hunters out there who

1124
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: hunt public lands. They don't have any better option. There's

1125
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: a ton of public rare dude who goes to the heart,

1126
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: Like who could go to like a gravy spot but

1127
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: chooses to go to a ship spot. I agree, that's

1128
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: a rare MANH Yeah, I'm lucky to get to go there.

1129
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: They're the nicest people and uh, you know, fortunately get

1130
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: to shoot stuff most of the time, or at least

1131
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: see stuff, you know. So, um, Montana was really good

1132
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: to me again this year. So I had tags in

1133
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: Oregon and I bought tags in Montana, Washington. Tag in Washington.

1134
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: That's soup and uh, just because, to be honest, the

1135
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: freezer is full, and I didn't really feel that that

1136
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: was okay tag to burns. It's forty bucks, but you

1137
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: don't burn Montana or again, when you're talking six bills

1138
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: or whatever, you're gonna have something to show for it. Yeah,

1139
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a little bit more effort into that

1140
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: for sure. So Montana was fantastic this year. That was

1141
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: a good hunt with a good shot, and yeah, I'm

1142
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna tear it at high Back hunt a new one. Man.

1143
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna sit down. I've been living here a couple

1144
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: of years now and haven't gone. You're more than welcome

1145
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: to come along. I'm always run around doing on the junk.

1146
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: It's the fifteenths right in the kills one for you there,

1147
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: it's the fifteenth September to It's like the time when

1148
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: there's the most stuff to do, right as well, what's

1149
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: the elevation for that out here? Went in at seventy

1150
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: seven and I got as high as I want to say,

1151
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: tickling nine thousand. But don't quote me, quote me. I

1152
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: know I'll be wrong there because you said he rolled

1153
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: in for sixteen miles and you climbed to vert two

1154
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: thousand vertical from your ten you've been up on the

1155
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: top of Everest by that. We did passes. We went

1156
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: over three different passes to get to where we were hunting,

1157
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: which no, no, not fiving got your journalism live? How

1158
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: many people listening to this? How many emails you get

1159
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: if I lie? Yeah? What what the charge you eight

1160
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: hundred bucks? Eight hundred bucks you gotta for the two

1161
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: of you? You gotta tent out of the deal? Yeah,

1162
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: pretty much. I think it would have been a little

1163
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: bit more custy. Like I said, it was closed and

1164
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed in there, and we got like the

1165
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: eleventh hour call to go. I should also segue with

1166
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: the whole story started with I thought it was done.

1167
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: I thought we weren't going. I thought it had been canceled.

1168
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: I just assumed my deposit or whatever we go for

1169
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: the next year. But I get like, and it was

1170
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: on the heels of a Seahawks game where I might

1171
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: have had a couple of beers. They not to read

1172
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 1: the brochure. I get the phone call, Hey, we're going,

1173
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: like we're going like in a couple of hours, and

1174
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, he ain't go nowhere. What are you even

1175
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: talking about it's canceled. Nope, it's open. It's good. And

1176
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: they had to you know, throw everything together when normally

1177
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: they would have had several weeks to prepare and uh

1178
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: so we showed up and he was still putting bridles

1179
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: on meals and stuff. So it wasn't it wasn't all

1180
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: the way dialed and we left it. We started in

1181
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: at one o'clock when we definitely should have been starting

1182
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: in it about eight thirty in the morning at the latest. So,

1183
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the whole thing was like, you know,

1184
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: we got there and of course the last two miles

1185
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, started raining like God was angry. I mean,

1186
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: it was just like it was a cold, wet from

1187
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: jump and you just you know, I love it. You

1188
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, that makes one of us like I'm not,

1189
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, love it all. In hindsight. Yeah, generally, I

1190
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: think we've had this conversation. Were the ones that you

1191
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: remember are the ones that you know potentially sucked the worst,

1192
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: but you wax, you know, nostalgic or reminisced about how

1193
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: awesome it was. H the harder I worked for definitely,

1194
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: the better I feel. If I'm successful. Yeah, when you're

1195
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: an old man getting there. So in a couple of

1196
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: years on your deathbed, dying, right, you're not gonna be like,

1197
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: oh man, that one time man, that was a short

1198
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: pack out on Buddy's place, cold beer and the cup holder. No,

1199
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like thinking back to that, that mountain,

1200
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: that rainy, snowy, no camp fire mountain. I'll do it

1201
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: better next year. I'll definitely be better prepared. And you know,

1202
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: I owe my buddy one because he definitely was very tolerant.

1203
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: So I want to go on the trip with you.

1204
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: You are invited. I'll show you on a map you

1205
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: look over, yeah, al right, and then finally, uh, Matt Moyson,

1206
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: you had a harrowing trip. No you don't think it's

1207
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: harrowing though, No, not really, not really. It would be

1208
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: the shortest story, for sure. I hunted. It was hard.

1209
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: I did that for a while and nothing happened. But

1210
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: I'll recap it. I mean I couldn't go where you

1211
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: wanted to go because so much snow. Yeah, we couldn't

1212
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: even approach it. Yeah, we weren't within Now, don't say,

1213
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: don't say the spots don't even give like mountain ranges. Okay,

1214
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: it was the mountains. It was the mountains of North Dakota, Dakota, Okay,

1215
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: you're right. So we had planned to hunt. Can I

1216
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: say the state North Dakota, okay Um where we had

1217
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: planned to hunt, was inaccessible because of snow the high

1218
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 1: mountains of That's what I'm saying, mountains of North Dakota.

1219
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: And so we ended up having to pick another mountain range.

1220
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: But that wasn't that didn't seem real detrimental at the time,

1221
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: because of hunted that mountain range before, and and and

1222
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: plenty of animals, plenty of you know, uh that that

1223
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a limiting factor, you know, but uh,

1224
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: we just I just couldn't quite make it work. Animals.

1225
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: We saw animals the first two days of the trip,

1226
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 1: and in fact milk yep, yep, hunt milk um, but

1227
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: just never never put it together. How far off the

1228
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: ones you were seeing, um like three yards. A guy,

1229
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: one of one of the one of the guys in

1230
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: our party missed a shot at like two seventy five.

1231
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: I actually missed a shot on that trip. I missed

1232
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: a head shot on a on a which is a

1233
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: terrible shot to have to take and it was it

1234
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: was you know, it's one of those where I thought,

1235
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: this is either gonna go totally not my way or

1236
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: it's going to go my way, and but it but

1237
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 1: it's a crap me too. Uh if you hunted? Um, yeah,

1238
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean so it was. It was a you know,

1239
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: low percentage shot at something that and and it's one

1240
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: of those things like I don't know how often you

1241
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: guys do this, but I'm always like replaying stuff in

1242
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: my head. You ever, just like replay what happened and

1243
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: think about what you should have done. I have any energy,

1244
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: your time and to go forward, for all I know,

1245
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 1: I m spend analyze in the past. I spent a

1246
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: full day thinking about how I should have done that different,

1247
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: Like what I could have done different that would have

1248
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: let me had a shot at the body of that

1249
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 1: elk and not ahead was elk in behind a blowdown

1250
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: timber and had me dead to rights. It's like, well,

1251
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: it's either it's either. I mean, I was standing because

1252
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: if I bent down, she her head wasn't even visible,

1253
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, so it was I mean, anyway, it's the

1254
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: bummer of a shot and I didn't make it. So

1255
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: that's even bigger bummer. But that was it, you know,

1256
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: that was the first I guess that was the first day.

1257
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: And then after that we just weren't We just weren't

1258
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: into animals. You could see where animals had passed through

1259
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: in a you know, migrating from from high to low,

1260
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: but but we didn't see any of the move like

1261
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: being pushed down by the snow. I think so. So

1262
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: the first there was a lot of snow and and

1263
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: the first um, the two days before we got there,

1264
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: and the first day we were there there was quite

1265
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: a bit of snowfall and and and you could you

1266
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: could see animals moving. We would be uh like before light.

1267
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: The first day we drove past a string of cow

1268
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: el because it was probably you know, they were they

1269
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: were nose to butt for probably most of a mile, yeah,

1270
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: traveling you know, like they like to travel kind of

1271
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: at the darkhay yep. So driving in, we saw uh

1272
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: you know on private yeah, yeah, all low down in

1273
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: the on the farm on the yeah, um, a ton

1274
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: of elk. And actually even from up in the mountains

1275
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: you could you could glass way down and just pick

1276
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: out hundreds of them in the flats. But they're so

1277
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 1: far I mean there's thousands of feet below you or

1278
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you know whatever they are. Yeah, um so anyway,

1279
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: we just you know, no one in the party ended

1280
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: up getting an ELK. So, and how many miles are

1281
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: you guys walking every day? I'm not very good at counting. Um,

1282
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, you'd probably have five or six mile days.

1283
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: I guess, I'm I'm I don't know, I don't know.

1284
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to guess. I mean with a

1285
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: guy who had grown up in a city, and he

1286
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: would always talk about blocks, really just put it into

1287
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: He would be like, even with Cariboo, would you like

1288
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: anyone looking at a Cariboo would have no idea what

1289
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: the city block. But he would talk about it's probably

1290
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: like you'd be like, there's a sault bowl probably three

1291
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: blocks away. Wow. In the distances he walked, he would

1292
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: give you in blocks, it's bad about seven two blocks? Yeah. No,

1293
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm bad at judging that, but you know, it was

1294
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: it's challenging country. I mean, it's it's a it's either

1295
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: up or down. You know, if if it feels like

1296
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: so a year walking in snow, Yeah, there was six

1297
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: or eight inches of snow that adds to it, for sure,

1298
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: it does. You know, I've gotten better at that later

1299
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: in life, though better it was, I've gotten better at

1300
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: being uncomfortable. I was not good at that as a

1301
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: young person. I had a real problem with it. And

1302
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: now I feel like I can just kind of chill out.

1303
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I know this, this sucks, but yeah,

1304
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: being okay with trudging. Yeah, I was not good at it.

1305
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: I really wasn't. I mean, you know me for twenty

1306
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: two years, but I never knew years. I never thought

1307
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: if he has a cupcake, yeh, I did no. But

1308
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like I was fine with

1309
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: this hunt and actually I wasn't even super bummed out

1310
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: to not get one. I mean I just felt like, uh,

1311
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: that's what an ELK tag is, man. You you you know, dude,

1312
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: if you went up and just plug every time, I yeah,

1313
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: you go look at success rates. If you go look

1314
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: at non guided, nonresident ELK success rates, they hover like

1315
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: around ten percent. Well, I'm in the nineties, I can

1316
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: tell you that this year. Yeah, no, it's and I

1317
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 1: know I'm I was okay with it. I mean it

1318
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: was you know, any time you're successful when you're hunting

1319
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's real. It's still a thrill for

1320
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: me anyway to to be a successful hunter. But I

1321
01:16:53,600 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: think that not having success is it's like weirdly also

1322
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: poignant and and it didn't it didn't, it didn't bumm

1323
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: me out. I don't know. It's a weird. It's a

1324
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: weird thing. Man, you really arrived at Like it's like, yeah,

1325
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: that is one thing. That's next. Time'm getting nextime, I'm

1326
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: getting two mule deer tags. I'm killing something. Next, I'm

1327
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: putting in for muled your doorteg. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1328
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: You used to bumm me out. I mean myself personally

1329
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. If I didn't get something,

1330
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: that was a failure. Now just being there, So it

1331
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: depends a lot on what's going on in the old freezer. Yes,

1332
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: that's a good point, right. If I'm sitting on if

1333
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on a cult freezer is packed full, I

1334
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: get real no not non salant, but I get real

1335
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: interest and seeing my buddies. Fine, success, then it's fun.

1336
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: That's fun for me then. But if I'm kind of

1337
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: like really weighing out, just like uh, you wanted to

1338
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: have the I want to have the jam pack freezer

1339
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: full of me that I get a little bit fussy,

1340
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: become less interested in my bodies good times, you know,

1341
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: in a weird way, I think, being like, so you

1342
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: know I don't hunt that much. I mean, I you know,

1343
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: I really don't with with career and and family and kids.

1344
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: Like I'll do sort of probably one good hunt like

1345
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: that every year, and maybe I get to do some

1346
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: in state stuff and you know, goof off. But um,

1347
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel like in a certain way hunting less. It's

1348
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: not made me care less, but enjoy it for its

1349
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: like experience more, you know what I mean. Like, and

1350
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm not so outcome driven as when I hunted more

1351
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: like when when I was younger, I would actually I

1352
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: would hunt more. I'd be more miserable or at least

1353
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: wallow in it, and I would care more whether I

1354
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: was successful or not. And that's interesting me. Yeah, I

1355
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: know I don't understand it either, but it's true. So

1356
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: now older, more seasoned, more responsibilities, you're willing to go

1357
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: out there and enjoy the sucky aspects and not fixate

1358
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: on the success thing that you used to be pushed by.

1359
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: I guess so, so it used to be like, I

1360
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: hate being uncomfortable. I really wanted to get something. Maybe

1361
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I really wanted to get something so you could get home.

1362
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: I don't know the only way to get out of here,

1363
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: to get out of here and safe face to be

1364
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: able to get it. If I don't feel this, Dang man,

1365
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to be out here forever. Yeah, no,

1366
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's funny. Yeah, that's good. I

1367
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: like that. Jimmy Dork. Ask about one last last thing

1368
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: that you were upset when the when Chris Cornell from

1369
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: Sound Garden died. Can you talk about that? Sure? Oh man,

1370
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: why that upset you? I just I don't know. I

1371
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: met him when I was, you know, young, We're about

1372
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: the same age, and I think we discussed it pretty well. Like,

1373
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: I just can never wrap my brain around what, in

1374
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 1: my opinion, is it temporary problem with obviously permanent solution

1375
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: When somebody does that not to me, Yeah, you're like, man,

1376
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: just call somebody something like Jesus, that's what spoke to

1377
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: you about that. Well that you know, there's two different ways,

1378
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, I get pissed. I'm like, oh, what you know?

1379
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: Too many persons? You know, too many private jets and

1380
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: you're tired of those five star hotels, Like, what's going

1381
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: on here? Most people, you know, large percentage of humanity,

1382
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: would you feel pretty good about the situation he was in?

1383
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: And but you know, I've never understood like, I mean,

1384
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: I really liked him and I obviously loved music a lot,

1385
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: and you're just like, dude, why would you just not

1386
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: just call somebody? I don't know, it couldn't have been

1387
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. It couldn't have been that

1388
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: big of a deal that you're done, and you just

1389
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: can't wait till tomorrow and about tomorrow is gonna maybe

1390
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: be better or something. I don't know, man, try to

1391
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: stay optimistic. But yeah, that was definitely a Yeah. That

1392
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: one sucked. Really bumm me out. There's so many good musicians,

1393
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: there are lots of just kill themselves. Man, I don't

1394
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: get it. The guy I used, you know, the mark

1395
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: links from Solin Garden or not something to know, Sparkle

1396
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: horse m. We talked about myself with a shotgun in

1397
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: the chest. Oh jeez, that can't be good. Elliott Smith

1398
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: stabbed itself to death with it. Yep, this conversation is

1399
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: taking a dark turn. I did we talked about David Wallace,

1400
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: right and and uh, you know, trying to read his

1401
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: books again, kan your prompt. I even bought the books.

1402
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again. I did.

1403
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: I've got I know him there. But it's just like

1404
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: trying to get a drink out of a fire hose. Man.

1405
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: It's like you do you have you read brief interviews

1406
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: the hideous man? No, I'm still working on the thought.

1407
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: That was the last one he said, and supposedly fun

1408
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: thing I'll never do again. Yeah, I kept infinite jest

1409
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: next in my room so that way I looked smart. Yeah,

1410
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: he used as a prop. I saw Tom Petty the

1411
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: week before he died here. Yeah, yeah, total weird circumstance.

1412
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I would I like Tom Petty, but I

1413
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: would not about a ticket to that, you know what

1414
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just not really what I'm saying because

1415
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: me and me and the mid not there but three

1416
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: years ago. No, I'm not saying anything by it. It's

1417
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: just like anyway, tickets fell into our lap and and

1418
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: and we went, and we were invited by like a

1419
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: work colleague, like, oh man, I love to go. I'd

1420
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: love to see Petty you know, it's it's an icon.

1421
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: It was a great American, one of the one of

1422
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: the greats. And that's the story of Tom Petty is

1423
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 1: a story about everything that's great but here so so

1424
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: I just I just bring it up because of Jimmy's

1425
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: story about Chris Cornell, which which is like horrible. I

1426
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: view Tom Petty as the opposite. There's a glorious story

1427
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: that dude wraps up a tour and and you know,

1428
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: figurative Mike drop and just goes out and like, how

1429
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: do how do you do better than that? What's the

1430
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: quote you used to say, like some guy said, if

1431
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: I had to do it all over again, I do

1432
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: it like Petty did it. Oh, yeah, it was an interview.

1433
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: It was an interview with uh it was an interview

1434
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: with another musician. You said, if I could do it

1435
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: all over you gonna do it like Tom Petty. Yeah,

1436
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: that's what I thought about when Tom Great America. I mean,

1437
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: the story of Petty's career and success is so like

1438
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: to be like kids from Gainesville, Florida, like a garage band,

1439
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: become like a bar band, cover band, go out to

1440
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: l A to make it big. None of you's ever

1441
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: been Western Mississippi. You find some scrap of paper in

1442
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: a phone booth with like some record producers names on it.

1443
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: Start it's just a bizarre story. No, it's iconic, that's

1444
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like. And even when he died, I

1445
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: was like, this, in a way is the coolest thing

1446
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, it's it's terribly he died,

1447
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: but it's like, you're gonna die anyway. Why not rap,

1448
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just why not put a bow

1449
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 1: on it? Speaking of suicide, American Girl, she could hear

1450
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: the cars roll by on all four or forty one,

1451
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: like the waves crashing on the beach, and for one

1452
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: desperate moment, it's about a girl that kills herself jumping

1453
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: out of a window. American Girl is wow, yeah, it's

1454
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 1: about a suicide. Oh god, yeah in the court. Oh god,

1455
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: it's so painful, something that's so close but still so

1456
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: far out of reach. American Girl. Um, honestly, it's a

1457
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: doll line now, so I think that's it. Oh No,

1458
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to want to say. A guy wrote in.

1459
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: I had said something like having a hammer hanging over

1460
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: your head, and a guy rode in to say, oh,

1461
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: it's not that you meant this sort of democles. Did

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Speaker 1: you write in that? Nope? How do you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about? How do you know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: Because it's not a hammer over your head, that's that's

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Speaker 1: not a thing. Imagine. No, I was being like, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't referring to that, the sort of democles, because you

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Speaker 1: guys are alluding to it when you talk about famous

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Speaker 1: people rich, famous people killing themselves. So a king has

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Speaker 1: like a guy in his court who's just a professional flatterer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And he says to the king, my god, for just

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Speaker 1: I would what I would love just to be you?

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Speaker 1: For to be you? You have it made right, you're rich,

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Speaker 1: you're the king, Like, why can't I be you? And

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Speaker 1: he goes, oh please, I'll show you exactly what it's

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Speaker 1: like to be me and seats him at the banquet

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Speaker 1: table with the beautiful women around him, the food, the wine,

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Speaker 1: the drink, and then he takes a sword and hangs

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Speaker 1: it from a single horsehair high above his head. Is

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Speaker 1: that right? I guess I don't know this, he says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: do you want to stay in my seat now? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: A sort of democles and the hammer of Steve Vernella.

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Speaker 1: Have you, by the way, you do have a kayak

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Speaker 1: paddle over your head, so I think it's symbolic carbon

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Speaker 1: fiber werner. Carbon friber werner paddle could fall and bust

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Speaker 1: me in that, that's right. I think won't even give

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Speaker 1: you a headache like a feather. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know, if Fitzgerald butt up at the fish shack,

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Speaker 1: the next time you go to take the boat out

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Speaker 1: to get to take the canoe to get the skiff,

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Speaker 1: you'll notice that I now have a carbon fiber canoe

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Speaker 1: paddle up there. Holy ship, Yeah, I think I saw

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Speaker 1: something here about this. Yeah, good stuff. You keep thinking

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Speaker 1: you forgot the paddle, then you realize that you're paddling.

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Speaker 1: It's great, it's amazing, all right. Thanks for joining us, guys,

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thank you,