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Speaker 1: Hey friends, Hey, welcome back to the show. Yep. Always

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Speaker 1: always nice to check in twice a week with you. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we've got a little bit of a different

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Speaker 1: to go to podcast Movement and this is a convention

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Speaker 1: for podcasters and podcasts enthusiasts and uh entrepreneurs who are

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Speaker 1: into this relatively new medium. Um, it really is. Podcasting

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Speaker 1: to learn and that that was really cool. We were

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Speaker 1: invited up by my Heart Radio and are our friends

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Speaker 1: and producers Ben and Nol took us up there and

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Speaker 1: we just had a really amazing time. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: really cool. We stayed at the Gaylord opry Land, which

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Speaker 1: and just an enormous place. Yeah in Nashville. Did we

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Speaker 1: I mean it was easy to get lost in and

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Speaker 1: our room key on a map and they say, okay,

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Speaker 1: We played it safe, we stayed low, didn't didn't go

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Speaker 1: So that was really really awesome and they're so fun

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Speaker 1: But one of the highlights, of course was getting to

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Speaker 1: sit on a panel with Ben and Knowl from Ridiculous History,

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Speaker 1: our Big Sister podcast, Ridiculous History hosted by our big sisters,

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Speaker 1: Ben and Nolan. Yes they're great sisters. Um. They lend

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Speaker 1: check it out. How can you enjoy Let's go Hey

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Speaker 1: the French, come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some

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Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking a romantic tips. It's

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Speaker 1: glance ridiculous role, that's a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Before you get started, Thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: to this panel today. Is everybody having a good time

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Speaker 1: at podcast movement? So far? Has everyone gotten lost? Like

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Speaker 1: the panel that you're supposed to be in is called

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Speaker 1: the Humor and the Heavy explore serious subjects with finesse

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Speaker 1: I am your friendly neighborhood moderator. Um. The panel that

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Speaker 1: you have to go back and kind of be like, okay,

429
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: so this could be hearsay, it could be gossip. It

430
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: could be a story somebody told somebody else because they

431
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: wanted to look cool, you know, like you know, if

432
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: you're not sure, and it's that's kind of interesting too

433
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: to see that pettiness if you know that history. Yeah,

434
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: and because it's you know, at least according to the

435
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Speaker 1: records we do have, because she was a terrible person,

436
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, like murdered a lot of people. Um So yeah,

437
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: it's hard to walk that one back, you know, but

438
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: but I think you know, one thing we could take

439
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: away from that question is something that applies to us today,

440
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: which is, um, often the way history is taught trends

441
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: towards telling us one thing about a person, and it

442
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: may be the most important thing they've ever done, and

443
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: it may have fundament only you know, changed our experience

444
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: living today. But that wasn't the only thing they did.

445
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: Like the current DOLLI Lama true story, super into watches.

446
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: He like collects watches. He's he's all about it, and

447
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't, I guess really talk about it like swatches, swatches.

448
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: I think he's like I do, and it would be

449
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: super cool like the kids watches. But but everybody like

450
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: you're you're here, you're here today, and thank you for

451
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: being here. And you you right now are the version

452
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: of you that has gone to meet up about podcasts.

453
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: But you're also someone's kid. You may have children of

454
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: your own. You probably have like a high school friend

455
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: that thinks of you as a totally different version of you,

456
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: and people throughout history have that too. Maybe not the

457
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: high school things, but you know, you get so much

458
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: of history, especially like armschair, like pop history is, is

459
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: inherently reductive. It kind of has to be. It's really

460
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: impossible or you know, unless you're Malcolm Gladwell or whoever

461
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: that guys that does the five hour History podcast, Carlin Carlin. Yeah,

462
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: I can't n that. I can't do it. I'm sure

463
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm sure it's for somebody, but it's not

464
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: for me. And I'm okay with that. But um, I

465
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: think you can handle the short form versions still with

466
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: respect and not being so reductive that you're you know,

467
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: creating a super one dimensional picture of of of one

468
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: of these figures. And this is this is something I

469
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: want to shout out with that that I love that

470
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: you all do on Ridiculous Romance. You you do what

471
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I think good storytellers should do, which is you embrace

472
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: those tangents. You know, like when people people used to

473
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: talk about Nicola Tesla, right, and they would say, uh,

474
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, they would have like the five to six

475
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: talking points, and then somebody did the research and said, oh,

476
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: actually he got real deep with this pigeon toward the

477
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: end of his life and it was like weirdly wholesome,

478
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: and then that became one of those points. And I also,

479
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, Lauren Vogel Bomb moderating today has a show

480
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: that she does, one of her many shows called Savor,

481
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: which is ostensibly about food. Uh and catch me if

482
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: I miss speaking here, but it's never it's about food. Okay, Well,

483
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: it's never just about food. I feel like because it

484
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: goes into culture, it goes into folk glory, goes into

485
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: the sociology of the thing, And if you really want

486
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: to understand a person and event, a concept, then like

487
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: Noel said, you need to look at all the differing,

488
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: disagreeing sources and then you need to look at all

489
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: the things around it because context is crucial to the plot. Yeah. Um,

490
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: thank you for the shout out. I want to go

491
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: back to this is partially what what what you guys

492
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: are talking about about sensitivity, but also partially what um

493
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: what y'all were talking about about wanting to avoid being

494
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: exploitative exploitative, which just word does anyone to hear? Great?

495
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: Um I was an English manajor um uh about about

496
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: trying not to be that thing? Um? But still like, like,

497
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: you guys do funny podcasts like funny as part of

498
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: the sticks, So like, how do you how do you

499
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: kind of um have fun without making fun? I like

500
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: what Diana said punching down. I mean that's a huge

501
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: ruling comedy in general, is that you know, how much

502
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: power is in the equation. That's who you make fun

503
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: of is the one who has all the power in

504
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: the situation. And the people who don't, you know, make

505
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: fun of them they got enough to deal with. So um,

506
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely a uh what's that word? You know? Yeah,

507
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: thank you you found it. Well, well, let's just say

508
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: it's you know, we like our show We're Married White

509
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Cis had a normative couple, Like, there's a lot of

510
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: down to punch and it's but it's also not difficult

511
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: to find completely different things to laugh about. Like we

512
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: talked about, um, the Lonely Hearts killers, right, and these

513
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: are two people who met in a catalog in the

514
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: fifties thefties and uh, and then got together and murdered

515
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of people. And there's not a lot funny

516
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: about that. Um, I don't know what we did. I

517
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't even brought up because I can't remember what we

518
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: did find funny about that. That's the thing, though, you

519
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: don't have to make it into a joke or get

520
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: into a bit. It's again, like I was saying, it's

521
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: all about your perspective and the humanism that you approach

522
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: something heavy. You're not going to tell a Doom and

523
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Gloom might call it misery porn story. You're gonna find

524
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: something to just be yourselves around it. And that's really

525
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: the key, you know, you don't have to convert it

526
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: into some kind of like stand up routine. That's not

527
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: what we do at all. We make fun of ourselves exactly.

528
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: But the circumstances they're in, I mean, you know that

529
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: era is was there was some much ridiculousness happening, happening

530
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: around the circumstances that led to their relationship, that led

531
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: to what they were doing to other people in their

532
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: lives who you know, allowed them to behave like this

533
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: or it's just absurd and you can kind of laugh

534
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: at that, I think, or the joke the joke is

535
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: also can be what my reaction to this or how

536
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I would how I would have reacted and how differently

537
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: this person did you know what that's the joke becomes

538
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: like if it were me, I would have sold him

539
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: off the you know, it would have been a totally difference.

540
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: And then you have a good time and then let

541
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: me get back to the story, which is very tragic,

542
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: and we're getting back to the story now, you know.

543
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: I think that's an important way to connect with your

544
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: audience too, is because they're thinking that themselves, and then

545
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: you're acting as a stand in for them as well

546
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: and kind of inserting yourself into the narrative. And I

547
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: think that's something that we've learned and we get the

548
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: most outreach about. Is like I just like hanging out

549
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you guys asked the questions that

550
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: occurred to me as they occurred to me, And I

551
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: think that's a real you know, it's sort of intuitive,

552
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: but it is something you learned to kind of lean

553
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: into over time. You know. Yeah, that's so great, Yeah,

554
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: what would you do in that situation? That's why people

555
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: that's why people watch horror films, right, because there's something

556
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: too to knowing your own perspective on there and saying like, yeah,

557
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: don't go in the cabin, you know, and you're looking

558
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: around at other people in the theater and they're like,

559
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: please stop talking. You're like, but yeah, I I think

560
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that's a huge point. Um. That

561
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: that I love. I love to hear in podcast or

562
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: just in conversation because really you're exercising empathy by assuming

563
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: that perspective. And also just the last thing is like,

564
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: we are trying to have you walk away with having

565
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: learned a thing a little bit at least, you know, um,

566
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: something that you can remember, and whether you've learned from

567
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: the experiences of others historically, or it's just a little,

568
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, thing you can bring up at parties and

569
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: tell us weird story about, you know, the married couple

570
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: that went on a killing spree. Um, that's a good,

571
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: good party fodder. But sure, no, I'm just saying like,

572
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it too, as we want

573
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: to make people walking away having learned something, having been entertained,

574
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: and having felt some kind of connection. I guess right. Um,

575
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: So as you're as you're talking through some of these

576
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: subjects that that do get into deep weird places, has

577
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: there ever been a moment where you felt like ethically

578
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: or morally obligated to tell a particular part of the story,

579
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: or to tell a particular part of it a particular way. Yes, yeah,

580
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: you can't do a heartwarming story about a guerrilla in

581
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: South Africa in the ninet nineties and not talk about apartheid.

582
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: That was a big deal for you. Cannot not do

583
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: that. That That was sort of the wake up moment for us.

584
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: We were like, oh, we kind of have to figure

585
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: out how to do the thing that we're talking about today,

586
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: because that was relatively early on in the show's life,

587
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: and that's when we realized we had to talk about

588
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: the surrounding circumstances of this ultimately heartwarming story. To make

589
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: the heartwarming bit payoff, you had to explain the like

590
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: tragedy surrounding this whole thing. This guerrilla just by the

591
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: it became this rallying figure kind of around um which

592
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: people just kind of like almost this revolutionary figure, you know,

593
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: during apartheid when all of this horrible stuff was happening.

594
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: Or if you like, talk about sillies, things that in

595
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: retrospect seems silly from earlier eras of humanity. You know,

596
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: you talk about what's like one of those old songs,

597
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: like the origin of the song ring around the rosy

598
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that gets dark pretty quickly,

599
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: and it's kind of irresponsible, or at the very least,

600
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: it's somewhat unethical or misleading if if you are telling

601
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: that story and you're not also saying this might seem cute.

602
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: See now, But here's why it happened. Because people in

603
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: the past, we're not unintelligent. They were working with what

604
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: they had, you know, and you talk about like, um,

605
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: there's a fantastic podcast called Sawbones right, which talks about

606
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: what we would call medical quackery, right, And what really

607
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: that is is it's not a people waking up and

608
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: going you know what I'm gonna get I'm gonna get

609
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: real weird with it today. I'm just gonna like, yeah,

610
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like prescribe walking winter shins around an included

611
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: moon and then uh slapping people with beats that came

612
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: from somewhere, you know. Like people were thinking through a

613
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: process the best they could, and that's the empathy we

614
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: have to have. They did not have the advantages that

615
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: people living now have now. For sure. Well, one of

616
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking of two or three actually, you know,

617
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: you guys mentioned apartheid and we did the story about

618
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Seretsa Comma and Ruth Williams, and that was an interracial

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Speaker 1: couple that they uh married in what was Beshawana Land

620
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: at the time, later became Botswana. Actually because of their

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Speaker 1: marriage and um an apartheid, you know, forced them even

622
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: though what was happening in another place in South Africa,

623
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: their influence on England and trade deals and everything got

624
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: England to force them in x into exile out of

625
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: their own country. UM. So you know, similarly, we had

626
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: to kind of address apartheide in that episode. That ended

627
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: up being a really important contextual part of their story. Um.

628
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: Other times it's less contextual. But we did the story

629
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: of um Bert and Linda poo Gash who Uh it's

630
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: an insane story. It's our next episode to come out.

631
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: And this guy hired uh some some thugs to attack

632
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: this woman who didn't want to date him anymore, and

633
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: they threw acid in her face and blinded her. And

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00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: when he got out of prison twelve years later, they

635
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: got married and we're happily married for the rest of

636
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: their life. Um. And it's a whole story, but within

637
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Speaker 1: that he was in Attica prison during the Attica prison ryots,

638
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: and it was only very tangentially involved, And I didn't

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Speaker 1: know a lot about the Attica prison riots when I

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Speaker 1: was doing the research and I learned about them and said,

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Speaker 1: it's insane that I I haven't never heard of this.

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Speaker 1: You watched Dog Day Afternoon as part of your research. I, well,

643
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Speaker 1: we need to because we're gonna do that couple of kids.

644
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since I was a kid. But

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Speaker 1: that was where it wasn't necessarily contextual to a story.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, I can't not take this opportunity

647
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Speaker 1: to make people aware of this thing. So it almost

648
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Speaker 1: turned into a ten part series just about that we had,

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Speaker 1: but but couldn't walk away without bringing it up. It

650
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Speaker 1: just seemed too important. Yeah. Yeah, I think when we

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Speaker 1: did um the sixteenth century poets Shah Hussain and Madu Law,

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Speaker 1: that was definitely one where I was like, Okay, it

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Speaker 1: feels important to explain not only his his the sect

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Speaker 1: of religion that he was practicing, not only that areas

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Speaker 1: of feelings currently about gay marriage or gay relationships, and

656
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Speaker 1: also all the the political like stuff with Kashmir and

657
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: the line of control and all this stuff. Because their

658
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Speaker 1: relationship was a Hindu and a Muslim living in harmony.

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Speaker 1: So their relationship is still considered like a symbol of

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Speaker 1: universal harmony for them, and and and true like spiritual connection.

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Speaker 1: And so some some of them are like, they were

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Speaker 1: just spiritual, they were not lovers, it was not gay,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. And then a lot of people are like,

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Speaker 1: they know that. I think they were gay. They had

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Speaker 1: they had a loving gay relationship, you know whatever. So

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting to dive into that and feel

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Speaker 1: it really felt important to have all that context around

668
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Speaker 1: their relationship because otherwise it wasn't as powerful. You didn't

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Speaker 1: see the impact. Why we chose it, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was like this, this has a lot, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was deep. So, yeah, we get in those rabbit holes.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they're good rabbit holes and sometimes they're not helpful. Yeah,

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00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: you find out at the bottom. I think then you're

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Speaker 1: trapped in a rabbit hole. Yeah, how do you climb out?

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a question at some point.

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Speaker 1: Has there has there ever been a story that as

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: you were getting into it, you were like, oh, this

678
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: is actually too much and I need to put it

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00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: down and walk away. Have you ever walked away from

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00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: a story? Uh? Well, yeah, there's a couple that come

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Speaker 1: to mind. One. Uh. We early on said oh, we

682
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: should do Marilyn Monroe story, and we started doing some

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Speaker 1: research on that and we were like, you know what,

684
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Speaker 1: this is really difficult and sad story, Like there's not

685
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: we we can't have fun with this. We it doesn't

686
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: fit our show because it's totally inappropriate to be funny

687
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: about much of any of it. So that was one

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Speaker 1: where we've we may one day tackle it, but I

689
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: think so far we've decided it's not it's not right

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Speaker 1: for our show. Um. And then Cha Hussain and mad

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Speaker 1: Hulal we actually re recorded that episode. It was it

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Speaker 1: was like our third episodes were kind of yeah, kind

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Speaker 1: of learned start and kind of realized you were a

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Speaker 1: little bit We were being so reverent and you know,

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Speaker 1: because this was a totally different culture than ours and

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Speaker 1: we really wanted to be respectful and stuff, and I

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Speaker 1: think we went a little too far and it wasn't fun.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a little too quiet and calm,

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Speaker 1: and it didn't have a lot of energy. Timelineing like

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Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Yeah, very good born. They went to

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Speaker 1: a thing, they did a stuff and it was over,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it was, yeah, this isn't it. We

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Speaker 1: so we like, let's just empty our minds and just

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Speaker 1: redo it without any like serious notes who are just like,

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Speaker 1: let's just have more fun with it, have a good

706
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Speaker 1: time with that, tell this story, keep the respect and

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00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and it turned out great. The second time it was

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Speaker 1: much more. That's a really good I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we've walked away from there was that was.

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Speaker 1: We also have a full disclosure, We have amazing research.

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00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: It's just in game who helps us, you know, do

712
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: kind of like bullet points and pull from different sources

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00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: and helps pick topics, you know, because Ben and I

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00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: also do another show called stuff. They don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know that we five days a week. Um, we

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00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: do two episodes of Ridiculous history every week. So it's

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Speaker 1: nice to have a little bit of research help. But

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00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: we you know, dig in ourselves as well and contribute

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Speaker 1: and it's sort of a collaborative process. But I think

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Speaker 1: there were a few that he pulled that we maybe

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Speaker 1: never did because they There was one that was about

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Speaker 1: like some German folk tales around Christmas or something like that.

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Speaker 1: It was so like just grim and dark and like

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Speaker 1: kind of depressing and like ring around the posy moment.

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Speaker 1: It really was, and it was like I think we're

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Speaker 1: just like, you know, I, let's just give that one

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Speaker 1: a miss. We I guess you're right. We did walk

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Speaker 1: away from We did walk away from Jack the Ripper. Uh,

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00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: not to be too precious about it. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of I mean, there's a lot of excellent scholarship on

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Speaker 1: this is probably one of the most well documented serial

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Speaker 1: murders in in in this era. That's for a different show,

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Speaker 1: though it is for a different show. And then also

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Speaker 1: you know, it's, um, we didn't want to be precious

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Speaker 1: about it, but it's kind of callous to be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: these people's lives were horrible, they died in horrible ways.

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Speaker 1: What do you do net waca waca waka. That's terrible,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so we we've I think over time,

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Speaker 1: uh me and this guy have developed sort of a

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Speaker 1: spidy sense for that kind of for that kind of thing,

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00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: because you know, you you earn the trust the report

742
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Speaker 1: of again the most important part of the show the

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00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: person listening, and they're extending what I would argue is

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00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: the most valuable currency of this time, which is time, right,

745
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: your personal time in a world of ubiquitous, never ending information,

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00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: make it worth it. And if if if someone's trusting

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00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: us to UH, to properly convey a story and to

748
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: travel along with us for a few minutes, then we

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00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: don't want to trick them. That's like hopping into an

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Speaker 1: uber to go down the street and you're like, holy shit,

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00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: why are we going to Montana now? And the del bactive.

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00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: That's really totally true what we said earlier about it's fine,

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00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: you can speak French all you want. Um. It is

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00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: about that connection with the audience and you could get

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00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: the story we didn't. We don't have like the monopoly

756
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: on weird history stories. There's other podcasts have done the

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00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: same stories we've done. We have a sister podcast called

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Speaker 1: UH Stuff You Miss in History Classes. We had initially fantastic.

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00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: We initially were like trying really hard not to cover

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00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: anything that they've covered, but then we realized, like it

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00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: we it's different, it doesn't matter. It is our perspective

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00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: and it's going even if someone enjoys that show, they

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00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: can hear us doing the same episode topic and it

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00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: would be a completely different version of it. Even if,

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00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: like the facts were all true, it's like a different

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00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: version of that story that could probably be valuable or

767
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: at least entertaining in a different way or comforting in

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Speaker 1: a different way. May no one this story, And that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying that what we want to make sure

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00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: we continue to do is approach everything we do with

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00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: that empathy and connectedness with the audience so that people

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Speaker 1: continue to hang out you know. Uh yeah cool. Uh

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Speaker 1: speaking of the audience, high we were wondering if y'all

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00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: had any questions for us. There's a microphone that's going

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00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: to be coming around. I'm sure you're used to this

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: by now. We're recording for virtuals, so be clear. Okay,

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Speaker 1: please Hi. UM, that's loud. My name is Colleen, and

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Speaker 1: my podcast is not almost there. It's not funny, but

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00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: it's UM kind of like uplifting, motivational, inspirational. And there's

780
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: been a couple of moments. We had this guest and

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00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: we like plan for it, do our research everything like that. UM.

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Speaker 1: And this one guest whose father had passed away, which

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00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: was a pivotal moment in his life, and he's done

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Speaker 1: countless UM interviews about it, spoken about it, but on

785
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: our podcast, he got really emotional and it was like

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Speaker 1: deer in the headlights, like I don't know how to

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00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: respond to this emotion right now, and like it was

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00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: the worst transition. Like on YouTube, we even got this

789
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: comment that was like good content, but if you missed

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00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: that moment, like right away, the audience like commented on it.

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00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: So don't know if you have any advice on even

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00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: in all your prep, Like you get to a moment

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Speaker 1: while you're recording that you're that it gets like super emotional,

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Speaker 1: Like how do you comfortably live in that emotional moment

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Speaker 1: and then bring it out to even if it's not humor,

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00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: but it's like, uh, to a higher place. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I can give an example not from this

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Speaker 1: show at all. We all work on lots of different

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00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: stuff for Ben and in particular, and Lauren and I

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00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: did a true crime show called Happy Face that was

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Speaker 1: about the father. It was about the daughter of a

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00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: infamous serial killer, and she got very emotional talking about

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Speaker 1: finding out about her father being this rapist murderer, you know,

804
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: secret life kind of guy, and she cried a lot,

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00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: and we had to walk the line of like are

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Speaker 1: we doing service to her story by using these clips

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Speaker 1: or is it exploitive to her, and she's obviously part

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Speaker 1: of this, she's an executive producer on the project. So

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Speaker 1: she was very much open to whatever we wanted to

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Speaker 1: do and had like cut if she wanted to on

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Speaker 1: She was fine with whatever we wanted to use, but

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Speaker 1: we had a you know, I think obligation to ourselves

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00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: and the listeners to not overplay that hand and to

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00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: only use it in a way that served the story

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Speaker 1: and served the narrative and like the emotion of her

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Speaker 1: you know, revelation kind of so that makes it I

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00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: think it's like something you have to kind of like

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Speaker 1: feel out in the moment. And it's certainly different for

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Speaker 1: a conversational show than it might be for a heavy

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Speaker 1: production that type show. I would I would say, um, Holly,

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Speaker 1: in terms of nuts and bolts, with those kinds of interviews,

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Speaker 1: you are, as the interviewer, you were going to find

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Speaker 1: yourself being the object of stability in this conversation about

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Speaker 1: these things that have happened. So everything can change and

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Speaker 1: be perfect and just so in post in the editing room, right,

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Speaker 1: But when you are with that person in that moment,

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Speaker 1: one of the most important things is, um, you don't

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't feel like you have to rush it. Silence

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00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: can always be cut right, and you shouldn't feel like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we need to wrap it up because often psychologically for people, um,

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Speaker 1: when you're remembering something, you're experiencing it again, right, And

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Speaker 1: so it's incredibly crucial. I would say to first, if

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Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff is if you're going

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Speaker 1: to go into those waters, bacon for that interview, at

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Speaker 1: least um, at least fifty more time than you're planning.

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Speaker 1: So if it's if you're like we're gonna talk for

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Speaker 1: an hour, be ready to go for an hour and

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Speaker 1: a half or two hours. Uh, make sure that you

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Speaker 1: don't leave them in that moment, you know, and and

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Speaker 1: you can you can stay with them. It's totally fine

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, do you want to take a break,

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Speaker 1: right and we'll you know, we will come back intend um.

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Speaker 1: But when you say you know, we'll come back, intend

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Speaker 1: what you're really saying and what they're feeling, even if

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Speaker 1: it's unconscious, is this person is not going to leave

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Speaker 1: me alone. They're not going to run away from this.

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Speaker 1: And then that once you once you kind of unlock

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Speaker 1: are going to be super, super open to talk about

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Speaker 1: other stuff because they don't want to live in that

851
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: moment necessarily either, and you sort of helped shepherd them

852
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: through it, and it does build and the next thing

853
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, the conversation ends on like police Academy for

854
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: something best, the best brotten Tomatoes is spoken. Hi, my

855
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: name is Amy Watson, and um, I have a podcast

856
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: on PTSD that I started after the pandemic and um

857
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: so my podcast is Wednesdays with Watson, and I started

858
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: my first season autobiographical because I have lots of trauma

859
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: climbed in a closet and sort of telling my story, right, Um,

860
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: And I loved what you just said about not leaving

861
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: the listener in a bad place, right, But you can imagine,

862
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty funny in real life, but it's very

863
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: difficult to be funny when you're talking, especially when I

864
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: was on my my autobiography, which is lots and lots

865
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: of trauma. Um, do you guys find just as valuable?

866
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: And I think you hit it And I'm sorry I

867
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: can't read your name from here, but but do you

868
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: find it just because I'm just there's no way that

869
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: really inject humor in a in a podcast about PTSD.

870
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: There just isn't. I mean, there's some ways, But is

871
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: it just as effective to just what you just said

872
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: not leave them in a bad place? So, like my

873
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: second season is telling the stories of other people's trauma

874
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: and the crooked roads of hope and pain and how

875
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: they're not there anymore, right, and so we leave them

876
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: with that the hope. But but the journey, the twenty

877
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: minute journey there is not fun. And so one of

878
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: the things I did, because to avoid what happened to her,

879
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: is when people come on and tell their stories, because

880
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm also a writer, so I do a pre interview,

881
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: listen to their story right as so people could can

882
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: swallow it in small parts and in a little bit

883
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: of creative way, and then interview them. So in your opinion,

884
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: in the heart, which is why I came in here,

885
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: is I want them to keep listening to the next story,

886
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: the next story, because this is something people aren't talking about.

887
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: Is that, in your opendent, just as effective as being funny,

888
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: because I can't be funny about this, Well, you don't

889
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: have to, I would, Um, I'm gonna be fully transparent

890
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: with you, not really joking. Diana and Eli are in

891
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: my opinion, a little funnier than us, But I think

892
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: I think all all five of us could agree that. Um.

893
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: So we're thinking in terms of palette, right, like a

894
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: color palette. And the what's worse than a lack of

895
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: humor is forced humor. You know, somebody's talking about like

896
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: a time they lost someone in a house fire. And

897
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, if you have the temerity to try

898
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: to force a joke in there, that's that's either monstrous

899
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: or it's um cartoonishly negligent. And like you're that that

900
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: is a missing piece. So I would say, I would

901
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: say if if humor feels forced, then that probably is

902
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: that that is a strong indicator that it doesn't belong

903
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: in that part. And and and an audience feels that, Um,

904
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: the way that animals can sense earthquakes before they happen,

905
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 1: like they will know. Podcast listeners are very intelligent. Well yeah,

906
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: I mean we're we're we start, you know, making sure

907
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: that we are in a story that we can be

908
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: funny about to some degree. So it's it's a little

909
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: outside our our world. But um, but I think you know,

910
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: we've done comedy for a long time together and uh.

911
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: One thing, one major thing that we learned is that uh,

912
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're walking your audience through it, and

913
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: comedy is human and uh and humane good comedy is

914
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: and you can be jarring and shocking and surprising without

915
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: breaking that wall of being humane and um and I

916
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: think like will interrupt you know a lot of our

917
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: heavy moments with a joke, But we have to find

918
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: a way to do that that doesn't negate that moment,

919
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: that doesn't undo the importance and the heaviness of what

920
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: we just talked about. And I've cut jokes that didn't

921
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: do that before. You know, we don't always nally in

922
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: the record, but um, but when they're when they're right,

923
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: I think it really kind of helps your audience kind

924
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: of walk away from that moment. It's all my favorite

925
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: like films and television shows do that too, or they

926
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: break up like heavy stuff with like a little bit

927
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: of levity. And I think that's you need that. It's

928
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: like a palate cleanser to kind of gets you through

929
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: to the next thing. Yeah, it's true, it does. It

930
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: does help you hang on to the end, you know

931
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: what I mean when you're talking about something so heavy

932
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: and so real, and of course there's nothing to joke about,

933
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: but it's hard to stay in that space for a

934
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: really long time. So finding a way, even if it's

935
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: not humorous, but I think you're thinking in the right

936
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: direction of like finding a light moment, even if it's

937
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: not a funny, laugh out loud moment, just to like, Okay,

938
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: we were good, we did that, and we're back and

939
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: now we can go into the rest of it. That's

940
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: what That's what I would say. I think you guys

941
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: hit on it. So maybe a better way to think

942
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: of this is that comedy or humor is a genre

943
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: of connection, right, it is not the only genre. So

944
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: if there is some sort of connection, it is doing

945
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: the work that comedy would have done. And all of

946
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: these are and and and I hate to interject, we've

947
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: got we've been told by our experts over here, give

948
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: a hand for them, please, they're doing. Yeah. Uh, that's Michael,

949
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: that's Zach, that's Michelle in the bag, you're so good

950
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: a name. Yeah, well, well we walked on Michelle. Do

951
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: we have time for one more question? Okay, okay, Well

952
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: it's it's all on, Michelle. Now we believe in you. Hello, Hello,

953
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: Heather Parody and I has a show called Happy Brain

954
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: Not Happy Face, UM, and we look at fund mental

955
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: health hacks and tips, and we're about a hundred episodes in.

956
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: UM My background is mental health therapy, and so it's

957
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: been kind of like beaten into me, like the reverence

958
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: of mental health for good reason. But I also have

959
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: because other side to me that's like quirky and weird,

960
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: like don't let me up on TikTok, like I do skits,

961
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: and I like that. So I'm really going to merge

962
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: those two together. But also I'm just so afraid to

963
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: really lean into that with because it's such a heavy

964
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: topic and it's so serious, but to the point of connection.

965
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the draw of comedy, as we

966
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: can talk about this stuff, it's it's a little bit

967
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: more lighthearted. So this next hundred episodes we do, I

968
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: really want to lean more into the funny and make

969
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: it more enjoyable. But I'm also just so scared of

970
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: like doing saying the wrong thing or whatever. And I

971
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to know from your expertise, like approaching something

972
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: like mental health, what is something that you would advise

973
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: me as a creator to be considerate of or to

974
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: think of or mindset wise or tactically to do this well. Um,

975
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: but also make it fun too, because that's my heart.

976
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: I think you want to be obviously send to anyone

977
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: that might be going through these things, while not being

978
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: so over sensitive that you new her the whole conversation

979
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: kind of you know. I think some people like again,

980
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: that's a great example you said about that one episode

981
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: where you were so worried about getting it right or

982
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: being sensitive to every possible angle. I don't think you

983
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: always can. You have to kind of go with your

984
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: gut and be yourself and just kind of let the

985
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: chips fall where they may. And you know, obviously we're

986
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: all thoughtful people and we're not going to try to

987
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: say anything that's gonna trigger or offend anybody. But I

988
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: do sometimes think we could probably be a little easier

989
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: on ourselves and not you know, be so overly yeah,

990
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: worried that we're gonna say the wrong thing, because then

991
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: you end up saying nothing at all. Yes, that's very true.

992
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: And if your guiding star is I I respect this

993
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: and I have I have appreciation for what's going on

994
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: with the struggle is I think you won't you won't

995
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: punch down that way because you're you kind of picked

996
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: your hero, right, so you're like, I I know whose

997
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: side I'm on. So when I'm making fun, it's again,

998
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: it's to help you get through this conversation. Apply it

999
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: to yourself in a way that's not scary and um

1000
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: and like we're in this to get we're here together.

1001
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like you make jokes at a funeral,

1002
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: Nobody's like, what a jerk, you know what I mean.

1003
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: Like everyone's like, oh, thank god you said something like

1004
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: re leave some tension, you know what I mean? And

1005
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: so it really you can find a really I think

1006
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: as long as you're thinking as you are thinking, which

1007
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: is I have a lot of respect for this topic,

1008
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: I think you won't go too far. And the other

1009
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: thing that you taught me this years ago, uh, is

1010
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: that not not to be too afraid to slip up.

1011
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: And as long as you're open to learn and um

1012
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: and that some things are you know, no group of

1013
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: people is a monolith, right, So there's going to be

1014
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: different opinions about things, and you just have to keep

1015
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: listening and adapting, um and and hopefully you never get

1016
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: wrong again. But but you may and that's okay as

1017
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: long as you know what matters is what you do

1018
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: with that afterwards, I think, yeah, well said, yeah, well,

1019
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much, thank you to all

1020
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: of you for being here, thank you to our thank

1021
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: you so much. And we'll be we'll be hanging for

1022
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: a second after this. Unfortunately we do after wrap because

1023
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: otherwise I owe Michael and Zach like all the beer.

1024
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: So I have a wonderful time at podcast movement everyone,

1025
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: and we'll touch you. Yeah, that wasn't too bad. I

1026
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: feel like we didn't sound like idiots. I feel like

1027
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: we sounded kind of smart. Yeah, well it was great.

1028
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean again, Lauren did such a great job moderating.

1029
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: Ben and Noel were both very kind to us, as

1030
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: they always are. Ridiculous commentary, you guys like, it's okay, Well,

1031
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: we'll continue to be friends with you. You don't have

1032
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: to keep complimenting us. Well, I think it's sincere, which

1033
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: is nice. It's always better when you have a compliment

1034
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: that comes from a real place and not from a

1035
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: place of like I'm blow and smoke up your ass. Well, yeah,

1036
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: and from people who we've learned so much from. Right,

1037
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: what you're talking about yeah. I hope they see that too,

1038
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: that it's like they are partly responsible. Whatever success they

1039
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: feel like we have like largely comes from them, you know.

1040
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: And especially I mean, we've both been working with Ben

1041
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: creatively for the same fifteen plus years, and I think

1042
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: we've all learned from each other. And Ben's just an

1043
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: awesome creative partner, and they're they're both creative, great creative

1044
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: partners now, um, and I thought it was awesome, uh

1045
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: doing this piece with them, and they were great handed

1046
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: stuff off and you know, throwing answers to us and

1047
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: again just saying wonderful things. We love them. Yeah, they're

1048
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: the best. So yeah, it was pretty cool. I definitely

1049
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: had that thing where, you know, you think of a

1050
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: million things you wish you had said after it. But

1051
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: of course, whatever, as you said in the beginning, hopefully

1052
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: we get to do something like that again and be

1053
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: a little more prepared and kind of go, oh, I

1054
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: know where I tripped up last time, or how I

1055
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: could have said that a little more clearly or whatever,

1056
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, that thing. It was weird that you kept

1057
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: standing up and mooning the audience in in the middle

1058
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: of like really serious questions. I was trying to show

1059
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: how to bring the humor to the heavy Well, you know,

1060
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: it's that's one tactic. It worked every time. That is

1061
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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. That that lady that ran out crying, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't win them all. Everyone's a critic.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Y'all. Should have been there, you could have

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Speaker 1: seen this all. Um. No. I thought it was great

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Speaker 1: and I would love to do the same exact panel again,

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Speaker 1: you know, years time or something. It was something that

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, or people are going to be

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Speaker 1: interested in this, and they were because it is again

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Speaker 1: just something I take for granted. I guess because we've

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Speaker 1: worked in comedy for so long, how to crack a

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Speaker 1: joke at the right time or find that rhythm of

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Speaker 1: comedy comes kind of naturally now, and for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who don't do comedy it doesn't. So it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like, oh, no, there's people in here

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Speaker 1: really do have especially as you heard, there's like trauma

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Speaker 1: podcasts and stuff asking about how to bring some levity

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Speaker 1: to what I mean, some very serious stuff and personal stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least our stories were pretty removed from

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Speaker 1: from their lives and there their circumstances, so we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of distance that helps with comedy that is

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Speaker 1: much harder to find when you're mired in your own

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Speaker 1: tragedy kind of. So anyway, it was really, um, just

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Speaker 1: really eye opening about the various different The whole convention

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Speaker 1: was like that for me was sort of like wow,

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Speaker 1: the amount of different shows or shows with similar themes

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Speaker 1: but such different formats, different ways of approaching a topic. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was just really fascinating. Yeah. And the other thing,

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Speaker 1: I think Benna Nole mentioned this as well, but how

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Speaker 1: nice was it to be up in front of a

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Speaker 1: live audience again? I mean, you know, our background is theater.

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Speaker 1: Comedy and theater especially like is all about the audience connection,

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Speaker 1: and man do we miss that? And hopefully, uh, there's

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Speaker 1: a dream, wish and a prayer out there that we're

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Speaker 1: going to take Ridiculous Romance one day on a live

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: tour would be so fun. Ben and Nol have taken

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know their other show

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Speaker 1: on the road, uh and and done a live tour

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Speaker 1: with that. And I know that we've talked about maybe

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Speaker 1: doing this show and we think that'd be really awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So reach out if that's something maybe you'd want to

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Speaker 1: see in your city because we love going anywhere, but

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Speaker 1: where we are traveling through is very big for us. Um,

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Speaker 1: so hey, let's take the show to where you are.

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Speaker 1: Send us an email that'd be fun. Let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think. You can hit us up at Romance

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Speaker 1: at I heart media dot com, yep, or find us

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Speaker 1: on the on Instagram and Twitter. I'm at dianamite boom,

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Speaker 1: and I'm at Oh great, it's Eli and the show

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Speaker 1: is at ridic Romance. If you just want to follow

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Speaker 1: the show and keep up with our weird memes, that

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Speaker 1: Eli makes a better episodes, they're definitely worth seeing, all right,

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Speaker 1: So we hope to hear from you soon and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna catch you with another ridicul this Romance next week.

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Speaker 1: Have a lovely weekend. That's right by bye, So long, friends,

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Speaker 1: it's time to go. Thanks for listening to our show.

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