WEBVTT - Slenderman Attacker Recaptured, But How Was A Vicious Attempted Murderer In A Low Security Group Home?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the girls convicted in that shocking slender Man

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<v Speaker 1>attack a decade ago just fled this weekend. She was

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<v Speaker 1>recaptured a short time later, but that's not the point,

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<v Speaker 1>and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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<v Speaker 1>TJ Robes. Prosecutors didn't want her to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>position to be able to flee where she was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the first place. This is going to

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<v Speaker 1>raise some questions now, because how does she get away? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she quite simply just cut off an ankle monitor and

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<v Speaker 1>walked out right.

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<v Speaker 2>This was not a maximum security facility. She was moved

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<v Speaker 2>into a group home to facilitate ultimate release. That was

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<v Speaker 2>shocking to me because we are talking about now twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three year old Morgan Geyser, But she was twelve years

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<v Speaker 2>old at the time of a very violent and extremely

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<v Speaker 2>heinous crime where she left a friend and a classmate

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<v Speaker 2>to die after stabbing her viciously nineteen times while another

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<v Speaker 2>twelve year old watched and egged her on. This made

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<v Speaker 2>international headlines and it is shocking to me that she

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<v Speaker 2>has the level of freedom she even had to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to flee when she did.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have to trust the professionals who've been monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>her for the past decade. The reason again, if this

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<v Speaker 1>was just that, that is shocking, if it was just

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year olds involved and what you described. But then

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<v Speaker 1>the added part of this or open again it ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being a movie was why they said they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just bizarre that twelve year old girls got

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<v Speaker 1>so caught up in something that they're wont going to

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<v Speaker 1>the forest looking for a fictional character.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, trying to actually impress a fictional character named Slenderman.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll get into all of that because I actually,

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<v Speaker 2>even though at the time, obviously this was a big

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<v Speaker 2>story that we all covered, you forget what actually it entailed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I my jaw drop to find that she was

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<v Speaker 2>already in a home and you mentioned the prosecutors. This

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<v Speaker 2>all happened in March, so she was sentenced to up

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<v Speaker 2>to forty years in a psychiatric institution. That seems appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>given her age and given the level of violence in

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<v Speaker 2>her crime. But this past March, a judge said that

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<v Speaker 2>Geyser could be released from this mental health facility to

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<v Speaker 2>a group home because three psychologists testified on her behalf

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<v Speaker 2>that she was prepared for supervised released. She was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to wear this monitoring bracelet. This was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>her kind of in between time when you go to

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<v Speaker 2>a group home before you're ultimately released to freedom. She

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<v Speaker 2>failed to test, but yes she did. But prosecutors, they

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<v Speaker 2>actually tried to stop this in March because they said

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<v Speaker 2>that they had evidence that she was having a They

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<v Speaker 2>called it a violent communication with a man outside of

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<v Speaker 2>this mental health facility. And they say that within the

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<v Speaker 2>facility she was reading a book with themes of sexual sadism,

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<v Speaker 2>and murder. So they felt like she wasn't ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a group home.

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<v Speaker 1>Then why I would a judge think otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Because three psychologists said she was, Well, where was the fourth, fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>and sixth psychologists?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you could find somebody else that would say differently,

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<v Speaker 1>But if did they work, I didn't see this. Those

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<v Speaker 1>three were they ones that had worked with her for

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<v Speaker 1>years at this facility.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that was the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean he's supposed to listen, right, isn't he

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to listen to them? I mean, he's making the

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<v Speaker 1>best judgment he can, but he has to depend on

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<v Speaker 1>some experts that's why I'm trying. I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>this out. They saw something in her over the past

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<v Speaker 1>decade that thought she was ready to take the next step.

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<v Speaker 1>She did. She hadn't been in here long and she

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<v Speaker 1>walked out of the place. Don't get me wrong. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't just walk out and go to McDonald's when she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't supposed to. This took effort, intent and cut off

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<v Speaker 1>her monitoring device.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and okay, so prosecutors in the spring, we're warning

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<v Speaker 2>about this man who she was having communications with, violent

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<v Speaker 2>communications with. Well, turns out we don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same man. But she was found last night at

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<v Speaker 2>a truck stop in Illinois. This is more than one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred miles away from the group home she was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be in in Wisconsin. She was found just outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Chicago with a forty two year old man who

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<v Speaker 2>police interestingly are saying they will not provide his name.

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<v Speaker 2>They will not provide a booking photo or any details

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<v Speaker 2>of his involvement, but we know he was charged with

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<v Speaker 2>criminal trespassing and obstructing identification.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, a refusal to identify him doesn't make what's the

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<v Speaker 1>logic there?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know in all of the media reports. Obviously, reporters,

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<v Speaker 2>journalists are trying to figure out who this guy is,

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<v Speaker 2>this forty two year old man, and police said, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to tell you why. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm sorry. I didn't think, like why because of this,

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<v Speaker 1>because of some privacy, because of something same, what could

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<v Speaker 1>composing on?

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps they feel like he could.

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<v Speaker 1>Be maybe the investigation is to.

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<v Speaker 2>The investigation into what was going on between him and

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda Geyser. I mean, this Morgan Geyser, this might actually

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<v Speaker 2>have a I mean you would think it would have

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<v Speaker 2>an impact on whether or not she gets to now

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<v Speaker 2>stay in this group home, if she has to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the mental health facility, if she has to

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<v Speaker 2>go to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>But is this not an automatic she's out of that

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<v Speaker 1>you lose your group home?

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<v Speaker 2>Think that would be the case. She is being charged.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know exactly what it is yet, but look

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<v Speaker 2>this is you could see her attorney, her parents, they

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<v Speaker 2>were pleading with her, like, we fought so hard to

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<v Speaker 2>secure your freedom, and look what you've just gone and done.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, she was on her way out and she decided, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to willfully cut off her electronic monitoring device. And take

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<v Speaker 2>off with a forty two year old man. And how

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<v Speaker 2>she I guess, I guess when you're in a group home,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the rules are, how strict they are,

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<v Speaker 2>who you can communicate with, where you can go, how

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<v Speaker 2>long you can be out, But certainly she willfully went

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<v Speaker 2>against the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Any this was only happening. Was she only talking to

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<v Speaker 1>this guy while at the group home. No, she got

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<v Speaker 1>privileges in the psychiatric org to talk to who she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to.

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<v Speaker 2>So all we can go by is what the prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>said when they had that hearing in the spring whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not she would be transferred to this group home,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said that they had proof that she had

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<v Speaker 2>violent communications with a man outside the facility. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me. When you're in a mental facility being

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<v Speaker 2>held there for an attempted murder, I'm surprised that you're

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to have outside communication with random people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe she was violating privileges. Maybe she was

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<v Speaker 1>doing this and she wasn't supposed to be doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I figured.

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<v Speaker 2>That, but it didn't hurt her in terms of her

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<v Speaker 2>next step towards freedom, which is interesting to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially this is a young woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, they didn't find out about it, and they knew

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<v Speaker 1>about it before before she was released. That's right, the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor is making that correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my point too here is you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>young woman who has clearly proven that she is easily

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<v Speaker 2>influenced by the Internet, because that is how this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing started. And can you imagine being the victim in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, Peyton Leitner and her family, she survived this

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<v Speaker 2>vicious attack on her own by crawling out of the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>We can get into this crime because I had forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>all of the details. But now you're hearing this old

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<v Speaker 2>ex friend who tried to kill you and left you

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<v Speaker 2>for dead, just escaped the group home she was in.

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<v Speaker 2>That had to be a very scary twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where's she going? Where's she headed? Does she want

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<v Speaker 1>to finish in the day? Yeah? Mean you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be thinking about that, and I don't. I mean, having

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<v Speaker 1>kept up with this young lady and what she's been

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the mental institute for the past ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>the progress she's made, I haven't, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, But how do you go? Because yes, it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>been less than ten years she was at this mental

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<v Speaker 2>health facility. How do you go from being convicted to

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<v Speaker 2>forty years up to forty years at a mental health

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<v Speaker 2>facility and released into a group home in less than

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<v Speaker 2>ten That also has to be alarming. I'm imagining being

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<v Speaker 2>the parents of Peyton Leitner and a family spokesperson actually

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<v Speaker 2>spoke out while she was on a LAMB and then

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<v Speaker 2>had a statement when she was recaptured. But it speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to where they were. I was thinking, Wow, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>crazy to all of us. It has to seem like

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<v Speaker 2>an abomination of justice to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the point of the system, right is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be rehabilitation, and with somebody's mental has been deemed that

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<v Speaker 1>have some mental defect, or they put her there and

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<v Speaker 1>not in prison. They put her there and not in

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<v Speaker 1>a child or a juvenile facility. They put her there

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of they made some determination that something is

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<v Speaker 1>not right with her mentally, this is where she needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be for us to give her care. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>point of the care not to heal, not to get

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<v Speaker 1>you to a better place. Or you think, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>just spend your time here until we let you go

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<v Speaker 1>out into the world while you're still got mental issues.

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<v Speaker 1>So isn't the point supposed to be. Rehabilitation is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be to get her better.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought in this country it was retribution before rehabilitation.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that we were first holding people accountable for

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<v Speaker 2>the crimes they commit. And when you commit an adult

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<v Speaker 2>crime like that, there needs to be some form of punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, of course, we would all want folks to

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<v Speaker 2>be rehabilitated. We would all want folks to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to improve and then become actually contributing members of society.

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<v Speaker 2>But are some people you don't know who is capable

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<v Speaker 2>of that and who is not. And it's important to

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<v Speaker 2>note Morgan Geyser and the other sixth grade classmate, Anissa Weyer,

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<v Speaker 2>who was egging her on, was watching while the stabbing

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<v Speaker 2>was going on. They were initially charged as adults. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember that they were initially charged as adults and

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<v Speaker 2>they pleaded guilty to stabbing Lightner and then they're guilty

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<v Speaker 2>please were vacated because they were found not guilty by

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<v Speaker 2>reason of mental disease or defect. And that's when both

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<v Speaker 2>of them were sent to mental health facilities instead of

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<v Speaker 2>to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the point there is, it's not always Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>rehabilitation has to start first, right, you can't have folks retribution,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, if you're deemed not mentally there when

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<v Speaker 1>you committed the crime. Those rules and those laws are

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<v Speaker 1>there for a reason. Our system, if we are to

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<v Speaker 1>trust it, made a determination that something is wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>these two twelve year olds that went beyond them having

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<v Speaker 1>full responsibility for their actions because of some mental defect.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get that worked out, okay, I mean I have

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<v Speaker 1>to trust that that's the way the system is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to work. Thank goodness, nobody got injured or heard or

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<v Speaker 1>killed in this particular one. But there's so much How

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<v Speaker 1>many others like this are there? How many other times

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<v Speaker 1>has someone done this and this just happens to be

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<v Speaker 1>high profile. Maybe this is an indication of how jack

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<v Speaker 1>our system is that something like this can happen When

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<v Speaker 1>you have someone who tried who stab somebody nineteen times

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<v Speaker 1>and the escape plan was just a pair of scissors,

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<v Speaker 1>that's uh, probably should be disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Lightner family after she was apprehended, well, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, while she was on the run, she was

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<v Speaker 2>saying they were working closely with police to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that they were safe. So they obviously were given some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of protection while Geyser was on the lamb, And

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<v Speaker 2>then they said the family would like to thank all

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<v Speaker 2>of the law enforcement entities involved in the efforts to

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<v Speaker 2>apprehend Morgan. The Lightner family also wishes to think the

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<v Speaker 2>outpouring of support from family, friends, and well wishers who

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<v Speaker 2>have contacted them during this difficult time. That was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know how she's I mean, how is

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<v Speaker 1>she doing at twenty three? But you don't it's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was an attempted murderer on the loose.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're the family of the person she attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to murder, yeah, that's a I don't know where the

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<v Speaker 1>family is. This all happened in Wisconsin, the original crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and this young lady had gone over to Illinois. But

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<v Speaker 1>what was she doing? Where was she going? What was

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<v Speaker 1>the point? I haven't seen anything about that yet. What

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<v Speaker 1>was the motive it could have been? Could it have

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<v Speaker 1>been innocent? Right? If she's not all there or not right?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she's influenced. The guy wants to take her and

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<v Speaker 1>go get married somewhere, take her to a nice restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows, I just know. But is it always do

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<v Speaker 1>we have to assume the faarious attempt. Yeah, because she's

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<v Speaker 1>attempted murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I just have to go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor's original concern that she was having violent communications with

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<v Speaker 2>a man and was reading books with themes of sexual

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<v Speaker 2>sadism and murder. So that that is concerning, Like, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what. So when we come back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the crime. I just a refresher because this

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<v Speaker 2>is worth remembering, just in terms of what the crime

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<v Speaker 2>actually entailed, and whose Slenderman actually is and where the

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<v Speaker 2>other girl in all of this, the other twelve year

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<v Speaker 2>old where is she? What happened to her? And continuing

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<v Speaker 2>our conversation on this story that got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks attention over the weekend. Now twenty three year old

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan Geyser, who was a part of that vicious, heinous

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<v Speaker 2>Slenderman attack on her at the time she was twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>She viciously stabbed her twelve year old friend and classmate

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen times, alongside another young twelve year old girl who

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<v Speaker 2>was standing by and egging them on. She escaped from

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<v Speaker 2>a group home, and you could say escaped, but she

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<v Speaker 2>was on her way to securing her freedom. She was

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<v Speaker 2>placed from a mental institution where she had been for

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<v Speaker 2>the past decade, and then released to a group home

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<v Speaker 2>where she eventually was on her way to being released

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<v Speaker 2>fully into society. But she cut off her ankle bracelet

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<v Speaker 2>and took off with a forty two year old man,

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<v Speaker 2>and prosecutors had a lot of concerns about where her

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<v Speaker 2>head was, where her focus was, given a book she

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<v Speaker 2>was reading in communication she was having with a man

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<v Speaker 2>while she was inside the facility, and so here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>She has been apprehended. But it's important to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and actually remember this crime in twenty fourteen. This was

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<v Speaker 2>sadistic and to see it happen among twelve year olds

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<v Speaker 2>is just more than.

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<v Speaker 1>Appalling, it's inexplicable. I have a twelve year old got

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<v Speaker 1>to this point to twelve year old girls, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost to a point you have to wonder, are they well?

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<v Speaker 1>I say, okay, I ain't saying what's wrong with them,

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<v Speaker 1>but something is off, something is not right, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe why they ended up where they ended up in

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<v Speaker 1>mental facilities. But the details of this, I know girls

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<v Speaker 1>and young girls and young teenagers and young kids. These

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<v Speaker 1>are tweens, right, I know they can be easily influenced.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a twelve year old.

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<v Speaker 1>This is other level stuff. The links they went through

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<v Speaker 1>to do this for a fictional character.

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<v Speaker 2>These are sixth graders, and you know what, they were

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<v Speaker 2>friends too, That's what's so scary. So this was Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>Geyser who we've been talking about, Anissa Wire and then

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<v Speaker 2>the victim, Peyton Lightner. But they were all at a

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<v Speaker 2>slumber party and it was I believe Morgan's birthday, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they told her they wanted to play a game

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<v Speaker 2>of hide and seek in the woods. But they planned

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<v Speaker 2>this out, they said. Initially Geyser said they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to stab her while she was sleeping, but they waited

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<v Speaker 2>until the next morning, went out into the woods and

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<v Speaker 2>they well they well, Geyser stabbed her and Wire watched

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen times, left her for dead, walked back home and

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<v Speaker 2>went about their business. Meantime, Lightner literally crawled to safety

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<v Speaker 2>and went to the hospital with life threatening injuries, and

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<v Speaker 2>remarkably she survived. But it's all about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was incredible to me that that young lady, how

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<v Speaker 1>she again nineteen stab wounds. I mean they're not all

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<v Speaker 1>deep penetrating, but still you got Staff nineteen with a

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen knife. It seemed impossible when you hear nineteen like

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<v Speaker 1>how she survived that?

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<v Speaker 2>And so yes, they all claimed that they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to impress and prove that this slender Man was real.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, you go online and try to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>who slender Man is. These are there are stories that

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<v Speaker 2>have taken over for quite some time, but right around

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<v Speaker 2>I think just two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 2>they started to to come up everywhere and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a web series Marble Hornets.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard of that, Marble Hornets.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it established the idea that there were humans

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<v Speaker 2>who could fall under slender Man's influence. And so they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about slender Man. If you don't know who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's this tall, thin, fictional character who wears a suit,

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<v Speaker 2>has tentacle like arms. He wears a dark suit and

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<v Speaker 2>a tie, and he targets children and young adults. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is just supposed to I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 2>was meant to scare kids, some sort of urban legend

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing that these kids fell under this belief,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was some sort of a website where you

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<v Speaker 2>could prove that he was real. And so by doing

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<v Speaker 2>this they were trying to prove that he was real,

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<v Speaker 2>that he was going to somehow acknowledge this sacrifice they

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<v Speaker 2>had made in his honor. It was just bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy. So they tell you got to know what your

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<v Speaker 1>kids are doing online? Right? That's wild? And it was influenced.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they impressionable enough? I don't know, but to take

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<v Speaker 1>these extremes, even if you went out into the forest

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<v Speaker 1>on your own to look for the guys. One thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just I never got real answers to this story.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, look, you can I think think about Sabine

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<v Speaker 2>and sweet Sabine, Like could she be easily influenced to

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<v Speaker 2>think something real that wasn't? Maybe not, but say even

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<v Speaker 2>she was, don't you have to have something in you

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<v Speaker 2>then to be able to do that to your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the scary thing. That's the scary thing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the other young woman a Nissa Wire again, she

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<v Speaker 2>was the one who watched and goaded on Morgan Geyser

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<v Speaker 2>to continue the stabbing. She was sentenced up to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years at a psychiatric institute, but in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one she was granted supervised release. So she was nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so she got off sooner and quicker, and we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>heard from her at all. And look, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that punishment fits that crime either. It's just this

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<v Speaker 2>is they did not spend the time that they were

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to. I guess it's up to so it's discretionary.

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly these young women, it's a little scary to

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<v Speaker 2>think about them being out in the world given what

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<v Speaker 2>they were convicted of doing.

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<v Speaker 1>She's back, took twenty four hours. Wonderful. We'll get more

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<v Speaker 1>answers about this, and certainly wonder if we will hear

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<v Speaker 1>who this guy is that she was with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think that most folks aren't going to let

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<v Speaker 2>this go, at least journalists and certainly in the local area.

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<v Speaker 2>You think people are going to be in media outlets

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be asking for answers in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>who this man is, what his role was, and what

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<v Speaker 2>is now going to happen to Morgan Geyser. But we

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<v Speaker 2>will make sure to keep you updated on all of

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in this case, in this slender Man escape.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you so much for listening to us, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you soon.