1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, and 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: one of the girls convicted in that shocking slender Man 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: attack a decade ago just fled this weekend. She was 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: recaptured a short time later, but that's not the point, 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: TJ Robes. Prosecutors didn't want her to be in a 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: position to be able to flee where she was supposed 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: to be in the first place. This is going to 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: raise some questions now, because how does she get away? Well, 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: she quite simply just cut off an ankle monitor and 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: walked out right. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: This was not a maximum security facility. She was moved 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: into a group home to facilitate ultimate release. That was 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: shocking to me because we are talking about now twenty 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: three year old Morgan Geyser, But she was twelve years 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: old at the time of a very violent and extremely 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: heinous crime where she left a friend and a classmate 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: to die after stabbing her viciously nineteen times while another 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: twelve year old watched and egged her on. This made 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: international headlines and it is shocking to me that she 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: has the level of freedom she even had to be 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: able to flee when she did. 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Well, we have to trust the professionals who've been monitoring 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: her for the past decade. The reason again, if this 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: was just that, that is shocking, if it was just 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: twelve year olds involved and what you described. But then 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: the added part of this or open again it ended 28 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: up being a movie was why they said they did it. 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: It was just bizarre that twelve year old girls got 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: so caught up in something that they're wont going to 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: the forest looking for a fictional character. 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: Yes, trying to actually impress a fictional character named Slenderman. 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: And we'll get into all of that because I actually, 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: even though at the time, obviously this was a big 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: story that we all covered, you forget what actually it entailed. 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: And I my jaw drop to find that she was 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: already in a home and you mentioned the prosecutors. This 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: all happened in March, so she was sentenced to up 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: to forty years in a psychiatric institution. That seems appropriate 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: given her age and given the level of violence in 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: her crime. But this past March, a judge said that 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: Geyser could be released from this mental health facility to 43 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: a group home because three psychologists testified on her behalf 44 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: that she was prepared for supervised released. She was supposed 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: to wear this monitoring bracelet. This was supposed to be 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: her kind of in between time when you go to 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: a group home before you're ultimately released to freedom. She 48 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: failed to test, but yes she did. But prosecutors, they 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: actually tried to stop this in March because they said 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: that they had evidence that she was having a They 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: called it a violent communication with a man outside of 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: this mental health facility. And they say that within the 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: facility she was reading a book with themes of sexual sadism, 54 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: and murder. So they felt like she wasn't ready to 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: go to a group home. 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Then why I would a judge think otherwise. 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 2: Because three psychologists said she was, Well, where was the fourth, fifth, 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: and sixth psychologists? 59 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure you could find somebody else that would say differently, 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: But if did they work, I didn't see this. Those 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: three were they ones that had worked with her for 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: years at this facility. 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 2: I believe that was the case. 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: Well, I mean he's supposed to listen, right, isn't he 65 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: supposed to listen to them? I mean, he's making the 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: best judgment he can, but he has to depend on 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: some experts that's why I'm trying. I'm trying to figure 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: this out. They saw something in her over the past 69 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: decade that thought she was ready to take the next step. 70 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: She did. She hadn't been in here long and she 71 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: walked out of the place. Don't get me wrong. She 72 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: didn't just walk out and go to McDonald's when she 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to. This took effort, intent and cut off 74 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: her monitoring device. 75 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and okay, so prosecutors in the spring, we're warning 76 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: about this man who she was having communications with, violent 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: communications with. Well, turns out we don't know if it's 78 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: the same man. But she was found last night at 79 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: a truck stop in Illinois. This is more than one 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 2: hundred miles away from the group home she was supposed 81 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: to be in in Wisconsin. She was found just outside 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: of Chicago with a forty two year old man who 83 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: police interestingly are saying they will not provide his name. 84 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: They will not provide a booking photo or any details 85 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: of his involvement, but we know he was charged with 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: criminal trespassing and obstructing identification. 87 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: Wait, a refusal to identify him doesn't make what's the 88 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: logic there? 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: We don't know in all of the media reports. Obviously, reporters, 90 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: journalists are trying to figure out who this guy is, 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: this forty two year old man, and police said, we're 92 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: not going to tell you why. I don't know. 93 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry. I didn't think, like why because of this, 94 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: because of some privacy, because of something same, what could 95 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: composing on? 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: Perhaps they feel like he could. 97 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Be maybe the investigation is to. 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: The investigation into what was going on between him and 99 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: Amanda Geyser. I mean, this Morgan Geyser, this might actually 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: have a I mean you would think it would have 101 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: an impact on whether or not she gets to now 102 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: stay in this group home, if she has to go 103 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: back to the mental health facility, if she has to 104 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: go to prison. 105 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: But is this not an automatic she's out of that 106 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: you lose your group home? 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: Think that would be the case. She is being charged. 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: We don't know exactly what it is yet, but look 109 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: this is you could see her attorney, her parents, they 110 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: were pleading with her, like, we fought so hard to 111 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: secure your freedom, and look what you've just gone and done. 112 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, she was on her way out and she decided, yeah, 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: to willfully cut off her electronic monitoring device. And take 114 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: off with a forty two year old man. And how 115 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: she I guess, I guess when you're in a group home, 116 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules are, how strict they are, 117 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: who you can communicate with, where you can go, how 118 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: long you can be out, But certainly she willfully went 119 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: against the rules. 120 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: Any this was only happening. Was she only talking to 121 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: this guy while at the group home. No, she got 122 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: privileges in the psychiatric org to talk to who she 123 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: wants to. 124 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: So all we can go by is what the prosecutors 125 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: said when they had that hearing in the spring whether 126 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: or not she would be transferred to this group home, 127 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: and they said that they had proof that she had 128 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: violent communications with a man outside the facility. So that's 129 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: interesting to me. When you're in a mental facility being 130 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: held there for an attempted murder, I'm surprised that you're 131 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: allowed to have outside communication with random people. 132 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she was violating privileges. Maybe she was 133 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: doing this and she wasn't supposed to be doing this, 134 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: but I figured. 135 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: That, but it didn't hurt her in terms of her 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: next step towards freedom, which is interesting to me, and 137 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: especially this is a young woman. 138 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: Wait, they didn't find out about it, and they knew 139 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: about it before before she was released. That's right, the 140 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: prosecutor is making that correct. 141 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: And so my point too here is you've got a 142 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: young woman who has clearly proven that she is easily 143 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: influenced by the Internet, because that is how this whole 144 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: thing started. And can you imagine being the victim in 145 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: this case, Peyton Leitner and her family, she survived this 146 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: vicious attack on her own by crawling out of the woods. 147 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: We can get into this crime because I had forgotten 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: all of the details. But now you're hearing this old 149 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: ex friend who tried to kill you and left you 150 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: for dead, just escaped the group home she was in. 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: That had to be a very scary twenty four hours. 152 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, where's she going? Where's she headed? Does she want 153 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: to finish in the day? Yeah? Mean you have to 154 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: be thinking about that, and I don't. I mean, having 155 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: kept up with this young lady and what she's been 156 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: doing in the mental institute for the past ten years, 157 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: the progress she's made, I haven't, I don't. 158 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 2: Know, But how do you go? Because yes, it's actually 159 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: been less than ten years she was at this mental 160 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: health facility. How do you go from being convicted to 161 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: forty years up to forty years at a mental health 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: facility and released into a group home in less than 163 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: ten That also has to be alarming. I'm imagining being 164 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 2: the parents of Peyton Leitner and a family spokesperson actually 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: spoke out while she was on a LAMB and then 166 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: had a statement when she was recaptured. But it speaks 167 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: to where they were. I was thinking, Wow, it seems 168 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: crazy to all of us. It has to seem like 169 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: an abomination of justice to them. 170 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: Well, the point of the system, right is supposed to 171 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: be rehabilitation, and with somebody's mental has been deemed that 172 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: have some mental defect, or they put her there and 173 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: not in prison. They put her there and not in 174 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: a child or a juvenile facility. They put her there 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: and instead of they made some determination that something is 176 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: not right with her mentally, this is where she needs 177 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: to be for us to give her care. Is the 178 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: point of the care not to heal, not to get 179 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: you to a better place. Or you think, yeah, we 180 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: just spend your time here until we let you go 181 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: out into the world while you're still got mental issues. 182 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: So isn't the point supposed to be. Rehabilitation is supposed 183 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: to be to get her better. 184 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: I thought in this country it was retribution before rehabilitation. 185 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: I thought that we were first holding people accountable for 186 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: the crimes they commit. And when you commit an adult 187 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: crime like that, there needs to be some form of punishment. 188 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: And yes, of course, we would all want folks to 189 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: be rehabilitated. We would all want folks to be able 190 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: to improve and then become actually contributing members of society. 191 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: But are some people you don't know who is capable 192 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: of that and who is not. And it's important to 193 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: note Morgan Geyser and the other sixth grade classmate, Anissa Weyer, 194 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: who was egging her on, was watching while the stabbing 195 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: was going on. They were initially charged as adults. Do 196 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: you remember that they were initially charged as adults and 197 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: they pleaded guilty to stabbing Lightner and then they're guilty 198 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: please were vacated because they were found not guilty by 199 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: reason of mental disease or defect. And that's when both 200 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: of them were sent to mental health facilities instead of 201 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: to prison. 202 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: So that's the point there is, it's not always Yes, 203 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: rehabilitation has to start first, right, you can't have folks retribution, 204 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: as you said, if you're deemed not mentally there when 205 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: you committed the crime. Those rules and those laws are 206 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: there for a reason. Our system, if we are to 207 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: trust it, made a determination that something is wrong with 208 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: these two twelve year olds that went beyond them having 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: full responsibility for their actions because of some mental defect. 210 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: Let's get that worked out, okay, I mean I have 211 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: to trust that that's the way the system is supposed 212 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: to work. Thank goodness, nobody got injured or heard or 213 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: killed in this particular one. But there's so much How 214 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: many others like this are there? How many other times 215 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: has someone done this and this just happens to be 216 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: high profile. Maybe this is an indication of how jack 217 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: our system is that something like this can happen When 218 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: you have someone who tried who stab somebody nineteen times 219 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: and the escape plan was just a pair of scissors, 220 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: that's uh, probably should be disturbing. 221 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: And the Lightner family after she was apprehended, well, first 222 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: of all, while she was on the run, she was 223 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: saying they were working closely with police to make sure 224 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: that they were safe. So they obviously were given some 225 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: sort of protection while Geyser was on the lamb, And 226 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: then they said the family would like to thank all 227 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: of the law enforcement entities involved in the efforts to 228 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: apprehend Morgan. The Lightner family also wishes to think the 229 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: outpouring of support from family, friends, and well wishers who 230 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: have contacted them during this difficult time. That was interesting 231 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: to me. 232 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how she's I mean, how is 233 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: she doing at twenty three? But you don't it's scary. 234 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there was an attempted murderer on the loose. 235 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: And if you're the family of the person she attempted 236 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: to murder, yeah, that's a I don't know where the 237 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: family is. This all happened in Wisconsin, the original crime, 238 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: and this young lady had gone over to Illinois. But 239 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: what was she doing? Where was she going? What was 240 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the point? I haven't seen anything about that yet. What 241 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: was the motive it could have been? Could it have 242 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: been innocent? Right? If she's not all there or not right? 243 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Maybe she's influenced. The guy wants to take her and 244 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: go get married somewhere, take her to a nice restaurant. 245 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Who knows, I just know. But is it always do 246 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: we have to assume the faarious attempt. Yeah, because she's 247 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: attempted murder. 248 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: Yes, And I just have to go back to the 249 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: prosecutor's original concern that she was having violent communications with 250 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: a man and was reading books with themes of sexual 251 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: sadism and murder. So that that is concerning, Like, no 252 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: matter what. So when we come back, we're going to 253 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: talk about the crime. I just a refresher because this 254 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: is worth remembering, just in terms of what the crime 255 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: actually entailed, and whose Slenderman actually is and where the 256 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: other girl in all of this, the other twelve year 257 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: old where is she? What happened to her? And continuing 258 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: our conversation on this story that got a lot of 259 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: folks attention over the weekend. Now twenty three year old 260 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: Morgan Geyser, who was a part of that vicious, heinous 261 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: Slenderman attack on her at the time she was twelve. 262 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: She viciously stabbed her twelve year old friend and classmate 263 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: nineteen times, alongside another young twelve year old girl who 264 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: was standing by and egging them on. She escaped from 265 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: a group home, and you could say escaped, but she 266 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: was on her way to securing her freedom. She was 267 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: placed from a mental institution where she had been for 268 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: the past decade, and then released to a group home 269 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: where she eventually was on her way to being released 270 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: fully into society. But she cut off her ankle bracelet 271 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: and took off with a forty two year old man, 272 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: and prosecutors had a lot of concerns about where her 273 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: head was, where her focus was, given a book she 274 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: was reading in communication she was having with a man 275 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: while she was inside the facility, and so here we are. 276 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: She has been apprehended. But it's important to go back 277 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: and actually remember this crime in twenty fourteen. This was 278 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: sadistic and to see it happen among twelve year olds 279 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: is just more than. 280 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: Appalling, it's inexplicable. I have a twelve year old got 281 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: to this point to twelve year old girls, and it's 282 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: almost to a point you have to wonder, are they well? 283 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: I say, okay, I ain't saying what's wrong with them, 284 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: but something is off, something is not right, and that's 285 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: maybe why they ended up where they ended up in 286 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: mental facilities. But the details of this, I know girls 287 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: and young girls and young teenagers and young kids. These 288 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: are tweens, right, I know they can be easily influenced. 289 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: You have a twelve year old. 290 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: This is other level stuff. The links they went through 291 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: to do this for a fictional character. 292 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: These are sixth graders, and you know what, they were 293 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: friends too, That's what's so scary. So this was Morgan 294 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: Geyser who we've been talking about, Anissa Wire and then 295 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: the victim, Peyton Lightner. But they were all at a 296 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: slumber party and it was I believe Morgan's birthday, and 297 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: so they told her they wanted to play a game 298 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: of hide and seek in the woods. But they planned 299 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: this out, they said. Initially Geyser said they were going 300 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: to stab her while she was sleeping, but they waited 301 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: until the next morning, went out into the woods and 302 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: they well they well, Geyser stabbed her and Wire watched 303 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: nineteen times, left her for dead, walked back home and 304 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: went about their business. Meantime, Lightner literally crawled to safety 305 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: and went to the hospital with life threatening injuries, and 306 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: remarkably she survived. But it's all about it. 307 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: That was incredible to me that that young lady, how 308 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: she again nineteen stab wounds. I mean they're not all 309 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: deep penetrating, but still you got Staff nineteen with a 310 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: kitchen knife. It seemed impossible when you hear nineteen like 311 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: how she survived that? 312 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: And so yes, they all claimed that they were trying 313 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: to impress and prove that this slender Man was real. 314 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: And look, you go online and try to figure out 315 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: who slender Man is. These are there are stories that 316 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: have taken over for quite some time, but right around 317 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: I think just two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, 318 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: they started to to come up everywhere and there was 319 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: a web series Marble Hornets. 320 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Have you heard of that, Marble Hornets. 321 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it established the idea that there were humans 322 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: who could fall under slender Man's influence. And so they 323 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: talk about slender Man. If you don't know who he is. 324 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: He's this tall, thin, fictional character who wears a suit, 325 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: has tentacle like arms. He wears a dark suit and 326 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: a tie, and he targets children and young adults. And 327 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: this is just supposed to I don't know if it 328 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: was meant to scare kids, some sort of urban legend 329 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 2: sort of thing that these kids fell under this belief, 330 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: and there was some sort of a website where you 331 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: could prove that he was real. And so by doing 332 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: this they were trying to prove that he was real, 333 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: that he was going to somehow acknowledge this sacrifice they 334 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: had made in his honor. It was just bizarre. 335 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: Boy. So they tell you got to know what your 336 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: kids are doing online? Right? That's wild? And it was influenced. 337 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: Were they impressionable enough? I don't know, but to take 338 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: these extremes, even if you went out into the forest 339 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: on your own to look for the guys. One thing. 340 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: But it's just I never got real answers to this story. 341 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't. 342 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: It's like, look, you can I think think about Sabine 343 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: and sweet Sabine, Like could she be easily influenced to 344 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: think something real that wasn't? Maybe not, but say even 345 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: she was, don't you have to have something in you 346 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: then to be able to do that to your friend. 347 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: That's the scary thing. That's the scary thing. And I 348 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: mentioned the other young woman a Nissa Wire again, she 349 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: was the one who watched and goaded on Morgan Geyser 350 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: to continue the stabbing. She was sentenced up to twenty 351 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: five years at a psychiatric institute, but in twenty twenty 352 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: one she was granted supervised release. So she was nineteen, 353 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: so she got off sooner and quicker, and we haven't 354 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: heard from her at all. And look, I don't know 355 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: if that punishment fits that crime either. It's just this 356 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: is they did not spend the time that they were 357 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: sentenced to. I guess it's up to so it's discretionary. 358 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: But certainly these young women, it's a little scary to 359 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: think about them being out in the world given what 360 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: they were convicted of doing. 361 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: She's back, took twenty four hours. Wonderful. We'll get more 362 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: answers about this, and certainly wonder if we will hear 363 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: who this guy is that she was with. 364 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that most folks aren't going to let 365 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: this go, at least journalists and certainly in the local area. 366 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: You think people are going to be in media outlets 367 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: are going to be asking for answers in terms of 368 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: who this man is, what his role was, and what 369 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: is now going to happen to Morgan Geyser. But we 370 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: will make sure to keep you updated on all of 371 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: what's going on in this case, in this slender Man escape. 372 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: But thank you so much for listening to us, everybody. 373 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we'll talk to 374 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: you soon.