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Speaker 3: Let's go places, all right, it's Paul, it's Fred, it's Deuce.
Speaker 5: Evan'll be here in a little bit.
Speaker 3: And we are above the practice fields at Gillette Stadium waiting.
Speaker 5: For practice to start. They're gonna be a little delayed
Speaker 5: this morning.
Speaker 3: We just were told by Stacy James, head of pr
Speaker 3: for the team. I guess they're going to start around
Speaker 3: ten thirty, so we'll be here, you know, keeping you
Speaker 3: to get your questions in keeping your company until that time.
Speaker 3: But today is the first day of full pads. They
Speaker 3: had an off day yesterday sort of a breather. There's
Speaker 3: certain rules I think in the NFL where you can't
Speaker 3: have more than five consecutive practices I think, and then
Speaker 3: you have to have a day off. So Wednesday was
Speaker 3: a day off. Now they're back at it for a
Speaker 3: lot of players. They've told us first full day of
Speaker 3: pads is really kind of when training camp practice starts.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean it felt a little bit of a
Speaker 2: ramp up, I would say two days ago on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: where you felt like they were set in the stage
Speaker 2: for what's going to happen today. Some of the one
Speaker 2: on one stuff, running those drills with pads, they'll be contact.
Speaker 2: But you know, I just I like what Mike Brabel
Speaker 2: had to say about learning to play in the elements.
Speaker 2: You go back to that AFC Championship game, didn't make
Speaker 2: the critical mistake, held on and you know we're able
Speaker 2: to win that game. So be a good test, you know,
Speaker 2: good mental toughness some of these rookies. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: interested in. How do they look pads get on Caleb
Speaker 2: Lomu handling the physicality the NFL, Eli Raritan going in
Speaker 2: some blocking drills. I mean not usually what moves the needle.
Speaker 2: But I think first day of pads here, seeing how
Speaker 2: the rookies hold up with the physicality is a key point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree, And you get to see how
Speaker 6: they handle some of those elements. I would expect to
Speaker 6: see some red zone stuff, some running game stuff that
Speaker 6: you haven't really been able to work on as extensively
Speaker 6: when you're not in pads. So yeah, those kinds of tests,
Speaker 6: I think from a physical you know, you're already.
Speaker 2: Getting tested mentally.
Speaker 6: And I thought when Christian Gonzales spoke on Tuesday, my
Speaker 6: and he started talking about it was kind of like
Speaker 6: the first day of real camp. He's talking about the
Speaker 6: mental aspect because it was really humid that day, you know,
Speaker 6: first kind of training camp like weather.
Speaker 2: So you get those mental obstacles.
Speaker 6: Now you get the physical ones too, so it's always
Speaker 6: interesting to see how they handle both.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see how the center quarterback exchange works out today, because,
Speaker 3: as you might have gathered from the background, it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a dreary day here in Foxboro. We've
Speaker 3: had rain all day yesterday, rain all day this morning.
Speaker 5: Right now, it's just a light mist and from.
Speaker 3: What we're told by the weather reports, it's going to
Speaker 3: remain that way throughout practice, so they'll be out outside
Speaker 3: for the duration of practice. We're not looking at any
Speaker 3: torrential downpours or lightning or anything like that that could
Speaker 3: bring them inside.
Speaker 5: So they'll be out here. But it's gonna be wet,
Speaker 5: the field's wet, the ball's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be wet, and you know you need to practice
Speaker 3: in this kind of weather too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, super fans are out here, as you can see.
Speaker 2: They got the uh cut the tarps on and trying
Speaker 2: to stay dry but not too bad, not too cold.
Speaker 2: But this is always, you know, a great take. And
Speaker 2: I know you guys have talked in the past about
Speaker 2: this first day when it was a lot of times
Speaker 2: goal line and uh, you know Ted Johnson going against
Speaker 2: what Heath Evans or the you know, the fullback. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm missing up my time frames there playing Gash Sam Gash. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got a little ahead of myself there, but those
Speaker 2: are what I expect to see today. We know how
Speaker 2: much Mike Brabile preaches physicality, and I think this is
Speaker 2: part of, you know, establishing that team identity that he
Speaker 2: is you know, constantly trying to install with this team,
Speaker 2: And this is about mental toughness. You mentioned the snap spread,
Speaker 2: you know, smooth operation, wet ball. I mean remember the
Speaker 2: old days of Bill going around spraying the football with water. Well,
Speaker 2: you don't have to spray it today. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: your own challenges. So I think it'll be a real
Speaker 2: good test for these guys, uh, you know, mentally as
Speaker 2: well as physically.
Speaker 3: So even though it is the first day of pats,
Speaker 3: you think they'll be full speed?
Speaker 5: Probably not right. You don't think they'll be bringing guys
Speaker 5: to the ground today, right.
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't expect to see that in terms of like
Speaker 6: the you know, it's the first day of pads, so
Speaker 6: I don't. I think it's a little shorter, you know,
Speaker 6: and probably a little bit lighter in terms of the workload.
Speaker 6: You might see that ramp up a little bit tomorrow
Speaker 6: and and moving forward.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be in pads.
Speaker 6: If last year is an indication, I kind of remember
Speaker 6: back once they got in pads, they were in pads for.
Speaker 2: A couple of at least three.
Speaker 6: Consecutive days, for consecutive days, So I would expect to
Speaker 6: see a similar thing Obviously they're always looking to improve
Speaker 6: on how they prepare, but I can't really argue much
Speaker 6: with how they prepared for the season last year, Freddie,
Speaker 6: you know, going fourteen and three.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, although they did lose the opening, a couple
Speaker 2: of losses came early on and all.
Speaker 3: The turnovers against the Steelers, so little administrative.
Speaker 5: Work.
Speaker 3: Gay Baccus is as we know, he's with the team,
Speaker 3: but we will not see him out there today.
Speaker 5: No, but Rabel in his press conference today said.
Speaker 3: He's advancing through the process and he's now with the Trainers, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, positive sign and closer than Harold Landry was what
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel said. And I think, you know, with everything
Speaker 2: that's gone on this spring, I'm excited just to see
Speaker 2: gay Bachus get on the field because seeing what you
Speaker 2: saw from him in college, I think he's the kind
Speaker 2: of guy that's probably like kind of rare and to
Speaker 2: go and ready to get out there and do what
Speaker 2: he does. So it'll be exciting to see him if
Speaker 2: if he does get out there soon, especially with Pads.
Speaker 2: I think we talked our first show on Saturday, it'll
Speaker 2: be great to get him out here by today. Not
Speaker 2: quite gonna happen, but doesn't sound like he's too far off,
Speaker 2: So I think that's an encouraging sign. We'll see what
Speaker 2: he looks like when he gets out here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yesterday we saw Charles Woods go off. Vrabel
Speaker 3: kind of downplayed that one said, he doesn't think it's
Speaker 3: anything too serious.
Speaker 5: Might have been cramps something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been heat related.
Speaker 6: It's funny from watching the two injuries, Calton Davis being
Speaker 6: the other one, the two guys that left practice earlier,
Speaker 6: the two corners, I would have reversed it.
Speaker 2: I would have thought, you know, we'll see Davis because
Speaker 2: that's what he likes. We always see callin Davis. He's
Speaker 2: just always on.
Speaker 6: He's always limping and always dealing with something with his shoulder,
Speaker 6: but he just seems to always be there. And I
Speaker 6: didn't think Woods was as as significant. I mean, I
Speaker 6: thought Woods might be more significant, I should say. And
Speaker 6: now obviously Rabel said today doesn't really seem like there's
Speaker 6: a whole lot to worry about.
Speaker 2: Will so I expect to see Woods. I don't expect.
Speaker 6: He said, we won't see Carlton Davis.
Speaker 2: So you know what you're going to get from him
Speaker 2: as a veteran, so this has been an interesting spot,
Speaker 2: the depth at cornerback. We knew Charles Woods was a
Speaker 2: guy that stepped in last year on the outside when
Speaker 2: he had to to fill in a little bit. So
Speaker 2: I'm never opposed to if you're going to miss a veteran,
Speaker 2: hopefully not for long, of course, but if he's gonna
Speaker 2: miss a few practices, it's going to give a chance
Speaker 2: for a guy like Charles Woods to really get some
Speaker 2: good quality reps with the ones, especially here with pads on,
Speaker 2: So opportunity for him, opportunity for the team to continue
Speaker 2: to develop that depth that you're always going to need,
Speaker 2: especially at the cornerback position.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys mentioned earlier you think they'll be in
Speaker 3: red zone today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's usually. I think red zone
Speaker 2: generally is early.
Speaker 6: Now I might be leading a little bit more on
Speaker 6: my muscle memory of Bill Belichick, who always had early
Speaker 6: padded practices were in the you know, filled with the
Speaker 6: red zone stuff. But I would just I mean, I
Speaker 6: think just think it makes a lot of sense red
Speaker 6: zone physicality in the red zone, running game kind of stuff,
Speaker 6: But in terms of tackling to the ground, I wouldn't
Speaker 6: expect to see much of any of that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really important part for Mike variable
Speaker 2: in this team last year, I think both the red
Speaker 2: zone offense and the red zone defense, especially until the
Speaker 2: playoffs struggled. I think it's a point of emphasis this
Speaker 2: year that that's a tangible spot where they can be better,
Speaker 2: where it can make a huge difference in games. So
Speaker 2: I think it's I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, Paul,
Speaker 2: we you know, we joke on training camp there usually
Speaker 2: with Bill they were in the red zone like that
Speaker 2: was it. I mean it was like, man, it is
Speaker 2: red zone after red zone after red zone. But I
Speaker 2: think it's a good opportunity not only set the tone
Speaker 2: of physicality with the pads, but to stress the importance
Speaker 2: of getting you know, those stops that they made in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. I mean, you think about Marcus Jones making
Speaker 2: that tackle on Justin Herbert, the you know, the fourth
Speaker 2: down stop against the against the Broncos. Those are huge
Speaker 2: plays in those games that you know, really contributed to
Speaker 2: them going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So listening to some of Paul's shows by h well,
Speaker 3: you know, I have a long commute as you know,
Speaker 3: so I have a lot.
Speaker 2: Of time and the wait I was on one this morning.
Speaker 3: There's I think there's a good amount of consternation on
Speaker 3: the Drake may A J. Brown connection that it hasn't
Speaker 3: really clicked yet. What what do you guys think.
Speaker 6: Paul, I don't really have a lot of consternation, but
Speaker 6: it hasn't really clicked yet. Yeah, you know, but yeah
Speaker 6: I'm not. This is something I think Fred, you you
Speaker 6: teed us up just before the start of camp. You
Speaker 6: know some of the things that you'd be looking to see,
Speaker 6: and this was kind of one of the areas I
Speaker 6: was looking at. The overreaction to whatever happens with AJ
Speaker 6: Brown right go to or bad. I thought there was
Speaker 6: overreaction on the positive side in the spring, and now
Speaker 6: I think it might be a little litle bit of
Speaker 6: overreaction the other way. It hasn't been great. Both Brown
Speaker 6: and Dobbs to me, look like they're still learning what
Speaker 6: they're doing. And I think it's hard to play that
Speaker 6: way even if you're as talented as those two guys are,
Speaker 6: especially Brown, you know, I mentally productive receiver in this league.
Speaker 6: I think when you learning a new system. They both
Speaker 6: come from West Coast backgrounds. West Coast offense backgrounds, yep,
Speaker 6: which is different, you know, a lot different. We heard
Speaker 6: from Brian Hoyer a couple of years ago just how
Speaker 6: different the Josh McDaniels system is to that West Coast system.
Speaker 6: So that holds true for wide receivers too, So I'm
Speaker 6: not necessarily consternated. Yeah, but I definitely have noticed that
Speaker 6: it hasn't it hasn't clicked yet, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Not going to put it all on the receivers. Drake
Speaker 3: hasn't been you know, perfectly accurate. Yeah, yeah, I've seen.
Speaker 5: I've seen.
Speaker 3: You know, there was one over the middle to Brown
Speaker 3: where you know we overshot him. Uh So I think
Speaker 3: the quarterback needs to settle in as well, you know,
Speaker 3: with his accuracy. So I'm with Paul, I'm not there's
Speaker 3: no consternation on my part. I think both Dobbs and
Speaker 3: aj Brown are pros.
Speaker 5: You know, they'll get it. Yeah, I'll get it, they'll
Speaker 5: get it. Where I think that it's.
Speaker 3: Going to take time is in this type of offense,
Speaker 3: there's some decision making that has to.
Speaker 5: Be made by the receivers.
Speaker 3: It's not like that West Coast where everybody's got the route.
Speaker 5: It's kind of more.
Speaker 3: Rhythmic, you know, balls out of the hands of the
Speaker 3: quarterback really quickly.
Speaker 5: I think there's more thinking involved in this Josh McDaniel's offense.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to say that it'd tell you
Speaker 3: it's rocket science, but it just takes a little time.
Speaker 3: And I would say by next week, you're going to
Speaker 3: see an improvement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hope. Yeah. And I like what you said, Fred.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there were some throws that Drake missed.
Speaker 2: I think there were probably some where Dobbs or Brown
Speaker 2: weren't in the exact spot that he wanted him wanted
Speaker 2: them to be. And that's a work in progress. But
Speaker 2: you know, I do think it was a positive sign
Speaker 2: for me just to get that glimpse of Drake launching
Speaker 2: that bomb to Kaishan Boody, because that was what made
Speaker 2: Drake a superhero last year. His downfield accuracy, his connection
Speaker 2: you know with Kaishan Boody was on display last year.
Speaker 2: It's on display here in practice. So that is what
Speaker 2: is going to make this team be special. If Drake's
Speaker 2: able to continue to throw the ball down the field
Speaker 2: with accuracy, and you know, as Aj Brown and Dobbs
Speaker 2: hopefully learned to find the right spots and Drake gets
Speaker 2: warmed up, you can start rolling. But I think there's
Speaker 2: too much talent to really get worried over what three
Speaker 2: practices and a walk through they got time. But look,
Speaker 2: it's something everybody's going to be watching for no question, everybody.
Speaker 2: All eyes are on aj Brown and how can he
Speaker 2: elevate this offense? What level can he help them get to?
Speaker 3: You mentioned booty. I mean he's just doing what he
Speaker 3: does right. When he gets throwing the ball, he catches it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'm I'm beginning to think that
Speaker 3: this guy's going to be a New England Patriot in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six, Well, you wonder where you know his
Speaker 2: head's at. And I mean he's, like Mike Fabel said
Speaker 2: this morning in the press conference. You know, he's been
Speaker 2: the same guy. He doesn't really say much. He goes out,
Speaker 2: he does his job. He catches the ball when it
Speaker 2: comes his way, even if it's a tough catch. So
Speaker 2: if you're Kayshan Boudy, do you look at this and
Speaker 2: say I got a good rapport with Drake? Maybe I
Speaker 2: won't get the volume that I'm going to need to
Speaker 2: really truly get that sizeable free agent contract that he
Speaker 2: might want next year. But at the same time, what's
Speaker 2: the guarantee if you do go somewhere else and you
Speaker 2: got to learn a new offense and you got to
Speaker 2: feel out a new quarterback, is that you know necessarily
Speaker 2: going to make a more productive somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, And how many quarterbacks have that
Speaker 3: touchdown field that can take advantage of Booty's talents.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, the
Speaker 2: most productive twenty twenty six season for Kaishan Boudy very
Speaker 2: likely is going to come here in New England, even
Speaker 2: if it is in a you know, rotational kind of
Speaker 2: a role. And look, injuries happen all the time. It's
Speaker 2: not hard to see, you know, AJ Brown has a
Speaker 2: hamstring issue one week or something, you're going to be
Speaker 2: really glad you have Kaysehan Boody. So I got a
Speaker 2: lot of respect for how he's gone about it and
Speaker 2: just how he's progressed since he got here as a rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we scheduled to hear from him today Booty. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I feel like.
Speaker 6: The way that Mike Vrabel answered the question is before
Speaker 6: we've came on the air, how has he been? You know,
Speaker 6: we've seen his production on the field, how has he
Speaker 6: been off the field?
Speaker 2: And he said exactly the same as last year.
Speaker 6: Very professional, and I think that that will remain as
Speaker 6: long as he feels like he's being dealt with.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I agree with Mike. In terms of injuries.
Speaker 6: We've been talking all off season about how fortunate the
Speaker 6: Patriots were with injuries last year. Well, maybe that's not
Speaker 6: the case this year. Who knows, who knows where it comes.
Speaker 6: If they get injuries, then I think that Booty's best
Speaker 6: solution is here. If there's no injuries, virtually any option
Speaker 6: would be more than thirty catches. So I can understand
Speaker 6: if he gets to the end of training camp and
Speaker 6: everybody's healthy. Yeah, and now he says, I did everything
Speaker 6: you guys asked me to do.
Speaker 2: You got to get me somewhere. Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: what he's going to say.
Speaker 6: I'm curious to see how he handles those questions. My
Speaker 6: guess is he's going to take a page out of
Speaker 6: Christian Gonzalez's playbook from Tuesday. He's not going to get
Speaker 6: into anything like that. He's just going to say, I'm
Speaker 6: here playing football. That's my only mindset, my only focus.
Speaker 6: Has proven that I'm one of the best receivers in
Speaker 6: his team. He's a very confident kid, and he's and
Speaker 6: he's carried himself that way for the last really three seasons,
Speaker 6: but especially the last the last two counting this year,
Speaker 6: you know, twenty five and twenty six. He's done everything
Speaker 6: that's been asked of him. And I wouldn't expect him
Speaker 6: to speak out of turn today either. But if he's
Speaker 6: feeling that way at the end of training camp, if
Speaker 6: everybody's healthy, I could completely understand it, because he feels
Speaker 6: like he's he's capable of more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what make it interesting too, is if
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams started to make some plays or start to
Speaker 2: show up a little bit, and then you know, even
Speaker 2: from the Patriots depth perspective, you might feel like we
Speaker 2: can get something maybe for Kashawan based on how he's
Speaker 2: had a really good summer. But this is going to
Speaker 2: open the door a little bit for Kyle Williams because
Speaker 2: you know, that's another been another storyline that he just
Speaker 2: doesn't really gotten any opportunities, and I mean looks sometimes
Speaker 2: guy's got to run with the twos and you got
Speaker 2: to find a way to make some plays when the
Speaker 2: ball does come your way. And that's just where hot
Speaker 2: that's where, you know. And you know Chisholm's made a
Speaker 2: few catches here and there, but but he but he
Speaker 2: has you know, I mean, Kyle Williams hasn't. So you know, again,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to overreact to A J. Brown. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to overreact to to Kyle Williams, but I
Speaker 2: think he needs to.
Speaker 6: Those two guys have not been factors at all. I
Speaker 6: don't know how one three catches each with the twos.
Speaker 6: I didn't see the three Kyleiams I saw yesterday Tuesday
Speaker 6: with the twos, not not with Drake May.
Speaker 2: Get any reps with Drake May? Yeah, No.
Speaker 5: But Chisholm looks good. You know when he's out there.
Speaker 2: With the twos, he's absolutely well. When you're talking about
Speaker 2: the death, that's that's to me where those guys are.
Speaker 2: And you know you got a wigh Kayshawn Boody in
Speaker 2: a lame duck year, Kyle Williams, you know, in a
Speaker 2: year where you're looking for him to make a second year,
Speaker 2: Leap won an off season award, has clearly been focused
Speaker 2: in training. So that's I think that's gonna be where
Speaker 2: the decision comes down to Williams and Booty all right.
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Speaker 7: So my question is, do you guys think our offensive
Speaker 7: line this year, especially on the left side, so Will
Speaker 7: Campbell will be as good as the start of last year,
Speaker 7: because when Will Campbell got the injury, he got worse
Speaker 7: and and had the Super Bowl, it didn't seem like
Speaker 7: they were one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be better, honestly better be
Speaker 3: uh yeah, because not just because of Will Campbell, but
Speaker 3: because of Vera Tucker next to him.
Speaker 5: I mean, you've got a really.
Speaker 3: Seasoned pro, a pros pro next to him, and if
Speaker 3: he can stay healthy, I you know, I think he
Speaker 3: might be I think I heard one of your guys
Speaker 3: last night, Mike g already say if he's healthy this year,
Speaker 3: he could be the best pickup of the offseason for
Speaker 3: the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm curious to see lom Lomu. I
Speaker 2: think Loan was a really important player. You know, I
Speaker 2: said this morning, I think he's going to back up
Speaker 2: multiple spots on this line, and I think it's on
Speaker 2: the coaching staff to get him ready and to you know,
Speaker 2: you heard Mike Raible talk about it this morning, how
Speaker 2: NFL football is different. And to Paul's point about injuries
Speaker 2: happening this year, I mean, I think Caleb Lomana when
Speaker 2: you got Ben Brown, and you know you like Ben Brown,
Speaker 2: he's a solid interior backup, especially at center. But really
Speaker 2: I think Loan move was a backup at four spots.
Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna need Caleb Lomou this year
Speaker 2: and they got to get him ready. My other question
Speaker 2: is just Jared Wilson in this transition. When they drafted him,
Speaker 2: people said he's a center, that's his natural position. He
Speaker 2: able to win the left guard spot last year. I
Speaker 2: don't think you've heard a lot about that kind of newness,
Speaker 2: because that's really, you know, to me, a major new piece.
Speaker 2: If you don't hear about it, well we'll see when
Speaker 2: the Pats come on, because you know, this is when
Speaker 2: you know, you got to worry about having the front
Speaker 2: of the p keeping the you know, keeping Drake clean,
Speaker 2: those big body interior guys that can you know, I
Speaker 2: saw matter Bik came back and Baltimore is a good
Speaker 2: example of just you know, a guy who's a problem
Speaker 2: on the inside. So, you know, Jerry Wilson's transition, I
Speaker 2: think is something really to watch that that hasn't been
Speaker 2: getting a lot of talk, reasonably so given what the
Speaker 2: practices have been. But now with pads going against some
Speaker 2: of those big guys, Corey Dirden, how does he hold
Speaker 2: up on the inside and the type of question the.
Speaker 3: Big test will be that first joint practice with the Colts,
Speaker 3: because that's when we'll get our first real indication of
Speaker 3: how the offensive line is going. And you know, I
Speaker 3: keep going back to two years ago when the Eagles
Speaker 3: came here, and man, did we get a dose of
Speaker 3: reality of what our offensive line was like? You know, yeah,
Speaker 3: we were going against one of the best defensive fronts.
Speaker 2: In the league at that time, but you couldn't get
Speaker 2: a playoff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but it was like literally you couldn't
Speaker 3: run your offense, you couldn't run your offense. So you know,
Speaker 3: even though even in joint practices you're not tackled full
Speaker 3: you know, up front, they're playing full speed. And so
Speaker 3: when the Colts come to town for that one joint practice, well.
Speaker 5: I think we'll get our first real.
Speaker 3: Indication of where they are at this point in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you'll get your first almost real today
Speaker 2: with the one on ones that go on, and there'll
Speaker 2: be you know, plenty of stats coming out about how
Speaker 2: will Campbell held up, how jar you know, what does
Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder look like? And some of these drills. You know,
Speaker 2: that'll be what we overreact to today. But that's what
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm excited to see that those those
Speaker 2: one on one matchups, the physicality and Lomu, especially getting
Speaker 2: him out there and seeing how he deals with the
Speaker 2: one on ones.
Speaker 6: Mike makes a great point too about the overreaction. It's like,
Speaker 6: what's the one area everybody is sort of agreement that
Speaker 6: you know they might be lacking. And not only they're lacking,
Speaker 6: but two of the guys that you're hoping a big
Speaker 6: part of it haven't practiced yet.
Speaker 2: Landry and act as bitch, right, right, So now the
Speaker 2: offensive line will do a great impassment. That didn't be like,
Speaker 2: oh I thought I thought real Campbell couldn't play it.
Speaker 2: Will just make the biggest deal. Jesse Luketta couldn't get
Speaker 2: past Will Campbell today. But I but I do think, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, draymonnt Jones is a veteran, so there you
Speaker 2: know there will be some some interest there and you know,
Speaker 2: of course that's it'll all be overreaction. But I got
Speaker 2: to say, like I just I'm a Will Campbell fan.
Speaker 2: I think he's really athletic guy, he's really tough, and
Speaker 2: I'm excited just to see in your two how it
Speaker 2: all translates winning offseason award him and Jared Wilson got
Speaker 2: of translated here to the field. You know, you win
Speaker 2: the weight lifting award and you've been around and you're
Speaker 2: being good guy. That that's all well and nice, but
Speaker 2: this is when things start to get real, and you know,
Speaker 2: I just love to see Will Campbell take that next
Speaker 2: step because you know, I think he brings attitude to
Speaker 2: the offensive line. I think he's snarly when he you know,
Speaker 2: as a finisher, and I think that he's really athletic
Speaker 2: and he's able to lead plays, and I think he
Speaker 2: can really be a factor for Josh McDaniels. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of a you know, how much that
Speaker 2: played an impact last year. We talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: him having a tough time in pass protection with the knee,
Speaker 2: but I also just wonder how much it affected them
Speaker 2: in terms of getting him out on screens. I think
Speaker 2: that's when you know, you see him do some of
Speaker 2: his best work is when he's out out moving in space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but what a difference, you know, from
Speaker 3: two years ago to last year to now now. It
Speaker 3: seems like when it comes to the offensive line, not
Speaker 3: only do the front five look better.
Speaker 5: But the depth is there too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about we can't wait to see Lomo,
Speaker 3: but we could see him in a number of places.
Speaker 5: Ben Brown is a solid.
Speaker 3: You know, uh, interior guy in in three spots, So
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of quality depth.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna have Morgan Moses.
Speaker 3: On the outside on the right side, but you know
Speaker 3: Lomo's getting runs behind him.
Speaker 5: So you've got two really good subs.
Speaker 3: We hope with Lomo and certainly with Ben Brown, boy,
Speaker 3: they've come a long way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a promising I mean seven guys. You know,
Speaker 2: you wonder maybe Marcus Bryant is the ape seeing him
Speaker 2: getting some decent word, you know, Mike, Yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 2: mean that's you know, another second year guy who who's
Speaker 2: showing some development. But what about Crono the less so,
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't seen much of him. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's another big dude. I mean it's almost the same
Speaker 2: thing as Marcus Bryant, where you have, you know, really
Speaker 2: tall guy with some traits that you know, might need
Speaker 2: a little bit of time to develop, but clearly they
Speaker 2: have a love for these big tackles. And you know, again,
Speaker 2: just to go back to Lomu, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm still not on the fence, but like, I
Speaker 2: still think he's got a ways to go. I still
Speaker 2: think he's you know, needs every practice of this camp
Speaker 2: to get up to speed and to get to a
Speaker 2: place where, you know, and here he comes walking up
Speaker 2: the hill now ready for his fist. He looks, he's like,
Speaker 2: do shut up, I'm ready to dominate.
Speaker 5: But but you know it's.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the knock on him a little bit
Speaker 2: coming out was that he didn't quite have the attitude
Speaker 2: that you know, maybe Varabel's teams want. And you know, again,
Speaker 2: it's almost the same thing as Gonzalez, where like, oh
Speaker 2: he doesn't quite hit and I'm like, yeah, but does
Speaker 2: he is the athletic? Does he have the traits he does?
Speaker 2: So we'll see today if he plays, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: with a little bit of edge, if they were able
Speaker 2: to start to bring that out of out of Lomu
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned rared in his name. We move over
Speaker 3: to the side a little bit, from the offensive line
Speaker 3: over to the tight ends.
Speaker 5: He's shown some catching ability.
Speaker 2: Here, made a couple of catches, you know, sitting down
Speaker 2: playing you know a little bit more with with the twos. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's how does he fit in
Speaker 2: with with Tanner Arkin and you know Jack West Over
Speaker 2: those two guys. I think, you know, you want a
Speaker 2: complimentary guy with Hunter Henry. You don't want, you know,
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and a guy who's going to be just
Speaker 2: a just a receiver unless you're you know, third and
Speaker 2: fifteen and you're you're trying to stretch everything out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to just see him start to
Speaker 2: show up every day and start to you know, we're
Speaker 2: seeing little bits here and there. Do with the twos first,
Speaker 2: then maybe he starts to get some chances for the ones,
Speaker 2: because you know, a guy like Tanner Arkin can come in,
Speaker 2: be complimentary to Hunter Henry, be a blocking guy, be
Speaker 2: a presence in the run game. But when I look
Speaker 2: at Eli rhard and I just see all kinds of potential.
Speaker 2: I think he's got the frame to be a blocker.
Speaker 2: He looks pretty smooth on the hoof. It just has
Speaker 2: to continue to stack days here.
Speaker 5: At the Rooks on the hoof, I heard it. Yeah, right, runs,
Speaker 5: it looks good. Where would you get that one?
Speaker 2: I don't know, just can't to me, friends moved on
Speaker 2: the hoof? Does that make sense? You know what?
Speaker 5: I don't like running and he's smooth and so he's a.
Speaker 2: Super runner, runs smoothly.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Coach is like a horse though, and he's I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just came out of me.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: You know it is frustrating for me though when we
Speaker 3: go to these practices because and you want to talk
Speaker 3: defense other than coverage, it's how can.
Speaker 5: You judge the defense? Yeah you really can't.
Speaker 3: I mean I see Milton Williams and Barmore up there
Speaker 3: and that gives me a lot of confidence.
Speaker 5: But I have no idea how they're doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's been some runs where it's there's no no
Speaker 2: room in there. I do also, just Sam and I
Speaker 2: thought the first couple of days, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: the covers there round the ball a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: Christian gan Zalez, you know, Craig Woodson coming up with
Speaker 2: a pick. That's all you can really ask, and these
Speaker 2: kind of in these kind of situations. But I still
Speaker 2: look at the secondary, even with the limited viewing power
Speaker 2: we have here, I still think that's right now, the
Speaker 2: best best unit on the team that showed up right
Speaker 2: out of the gate. Now without Carlon Davis, I think
Speaker 2: that might that might change a little bit.
Speaker 5: So do we know, like what what his deal is?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: Did it's like a leg Yeah, some type of legs maybe, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's it's Rabel didn't sound like he's sound like it
Speaker 8: might be a couple of days from the tone that
Speaker 8: that Brabel said in the in the pregame press conference
Speaker 8: there pre practice, excuse me.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I mean again, christ they're about seventeen
Speaker 2: times last year. I thought Carlton Davis was gone for
Speaker 2: the year, then we'd see him back out. So hopefully, hopefully,
Speaker 2: you know, it's nothing major and there they're just going
Speaker 2: to be precautious. You know, Carlton Davis is going to
Speaker 2: show up. I mean, look at him in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: That was you know, I thought he was good in
Speaker 2: the regular season last year, but you know he was
Speaker 2: excellent in the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: We're joined now by Evan Hi. Evan Lazarre. We've been
Speaker 3: talking a lot.
Speaker 12: Yes, you know, that's what we do.
Speaker 3: You you often look at things through a different lens
Speaker 3: sometimes than most human beings.
Speaker 5: So what what are your takes up to this point?
Speaker 12: Just in general?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 13: Generally speaking, I felt like it was kind of a
Speaker 13: home start to training camp.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 13: I think what's jarring to me is how few starting roles,
Speaker 13: if any, are kind of for grabs in this training camp.
Speaker 5: And is that a good thing.
Speaker 13: I think it's a good sign of a good team. Yeah,
Speaker 13: that you don't have all these questions all over the team.
Speaker 13: But since I've been you know, here and working for
Speaker 13: the team Fred, every training camp we come in and.
Speaker 12: It's like who's the quarterback, who's the left tackle?
Speaker 13: You know, what's going on in this practice, in this
Speaker 13: training camp, I feel like I could probably tell you.
Speaker 12: You could probably tell me.
Speaker 13: Who the starting eleven guys on both sides of the
Speaker 13: ball Week one against Seattle are going to be.
Speaker 12: Already we're talking a lot.
Speaker 13: About the third cornerback spot or you know, the fourth
Speaker 13: third tight end, or the third running back or like
Speaker 13: all these depth battles, which I think is a good sign.
Speaker 5: Like you said, yep. In terms of the age.
Speaker 3: You know, we started the show talking about the AJ
Speaker 3: Brown Drake May connection. Yeah, your take on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I think that AJ Brown has built up so much
Speaker 13: equity over his career that I almost need to see
Speaker 13: him struggle in regular season games before I even start
Speaker 13: to worry that he's not going to get it. You know,
Speaker 13: I think it's way too early now. But I don't
Speaker 13: even know if I care if he's struggling in any
Speaker 13: of the practices because he's AJ Brown, Like, I just
Speaker 13: expect him to figure it out.
Speaker 12: I expect him to be good.
Speaker 13: I think that he and Drake May both expect it
Speaker 13: to figure.
Speaker 12: Itself out as well.
Speaker 13: And the one other thing I would add, and I
Speaker 13: think we brought it up the other day, he's not, really,
Speaker 13: as Dan Campbell said, a pajama party guy. Like he's
Speaker 13: a full pads. He's a football player, you know, like
Speaker 13: he's not. He's a physical guy. He's great after the
Speaker 13: catch with the ball in his hands. He's great at
Speaker 13: you know, boxing out and fighting for body positioning and
Speaker 13: bumping guys off routes and things like that. You're not
Speaker 13: going to do that in an unpadded practice. Against your teammate, Like,
Speaker 13: he's not going to run into Christian Gonzalez and knock
Speaker 13: him off the top of the route in the second
Speaker 13: day of training camp. So if you're looking for a
Speaker 13: guy that is that quick separator, then that's probably not
Speaker 13: who he is at this point of his career. But
Speaker 13: I'm not concerned at all about him long term. You know,
Speaker 13: it's obviously something that we all jot down, like, hey,
Speaker 13: it hasn't looked great yet, but I don't think it's
Speaker 13: a cause for concern at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about Romeo Dobbs, because he's been quiet that one.
Speaker 13: I'm maybe a little bit more small he concerned about
Speaker 13: just because he, like I said just now, he doesn't
Speaker 13: have the equity that Aj Brown has. He's not a
Speaker 13: multi time pro bowler and a fifteen hundred yard receiver
Speaker 13: in his career. So I would like to see Dobbs
Speaker 13: get open a little bit more. I feel like every
Speaker 13: target that I see of him, it feels like there's
Speaker 13: a lot of traffic around him, or he's draped in
Speaker 13: coverage or something like that.
Speaker 12: You would like to see a little bit more separation.
Speaker 13: And maybe that's you know, kind of contradictory to say,
Speaker 13: I'm not worried about aj Brown at all, but I'm
Speaker 13: a little worried about Romeo Dobbs. But to me, it's
Speaker 13: really just about the players we're talking about.
Speaker 3: You know, head coach Mike Rabel arriving to practice, does
Speaker 3: he look a little beefier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to judge him on that. He
Speaker 2: did say some of the coaches need to be eating
Speaker 2: a little. I don't know if he's referring it to
Speaker 2: himself or the other guys, but you know, just to
Speaker 2: Evan's point, I think, you know, the hope maybe is that.
Speaker 2: And we talk so much about how difficult it was
Speaker 2: for receivers to earn Brady's trust and to learn this offense,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's the same bar with Drake
Speaker 2: that it was with you know, Brady at the end
Speaker 2: of his career. But I do think an element of
Speaker 2: playing fast is knowing what you're doing and not overthinking it.
Speaker 2: And if you are overthinking early on, you might be
Speaker 2: a little bit slower and a little less likely to separate.
Speaker 2: So that's my hope that as we see these guys
Speaker 2: start to stack days and reps, that you start to
Speaker 2: see them pick up the speed a little bit nowhere
Speaker 2: to be know exactly where Drake wants to put the
Speaker 2: ball and you'll start to see some progress.
Speaker 5: So Evan, with this being the first day of pads, Yes,
Speaker 5: what are you looking at?
Speaker 12: The guys were showing right now.
Speaker 13: I mean, look, I know that we talk a lot
Speaker 13: about Drake May and the wide receivers and aj Brown,
Speaker 13: but the season hinges on those guys in the white
Speaker 13: jerseys right good about the old line, Will Campbell, Morgan Moses.
Speaker 13: You see Caleb Blowmon taking a right tackle pass set
Speaker 13: right there on the right side. Like, those guys are
Speaker 13: in my opinion, going to make or break the season,
Speaker 13: because I think that Drake May is going to get
Speaker 13: them where he got them last year, deep into the playoffs.
Speaker 13: But if they're going to win this thing, then it's
Speaker 13: going to come down to improvement. From sixty six Will Campbell,
Speaker 13: from fifty five, Jared Wilson, like, those guys are the
Speaker 13: guys that are going to have to really step up
Speaker 13: and improve. And I would say on the other side,
Speaker 13: to do some side of the ball. You know what
Speaker 13: do they get out of those edge rushers? You know
Speaker 13: what can they get out of those That group as well,
Speaker 13: I think is just as important as the offensive line.
Speaker 13: So for this team, I feel like I have pretty
Speaker 13: much kind of know what they're going to get out
Speaker 13: of the quarterback position and the receivers. I'm more concerned
Speaker 13: about what they're going to get out of those two spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said it before earlier when we were talking
Speaker 3: about the old line. I really like the position we're
Speaker 3: in right now. You know, one through five and then
Speaker 3: the backups. I think for the first time in a
Speaker 3: long time, we're talking about five up front that you
Speaker 3: have confidence in and then backups depth that you.
Speaker 5: Know if someone gets hurt, you have just as much confidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been really intentional. I mean, you've got your
Speaker 2: last two first round picks are along the offensive line.
Speaker 2: Great signing last year in Morgan Moses, you know, great
Speaker 2: drafting there with Jared Wilson too, to find a little
Speaker 2: bit of a gem there and you know, be able
Speaker 2: to get him a year of experience, even though you
Speaker 2: had Garrett Bradberry in there, and of course Michael WHENU
Speaker 2: established players. I'm curious too to have to see how
Speaker 2: much Morgan Moses does today. He's been on a little
Speaker 2: bit of a plan. He was in a big plan
Speaker 2: last year. This might be a great opportunity here on
Speaker 2: this first day to just, you know, give Lomu a
Speaker 2: bunch of reps and get his feet wet, throw right
Speaker 2: into the fire.
Speaker 3: Yep Nick and East Long Metal rights in Taysom Hill
Speaker 3: and the Saints officially announced he won't be returning to
Speaker 3: the team. I think he'd be a nice addition for
Speaker 3: the Patriots. Josh McDaniels could get pretty creative with that player.
Speaker 5: What do you think about that?
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's did ten years into his career right now.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I think that that one sounded like maybe a retirement
Speaker 13: is coming from the NFL. If not, I would imagine
Speaker 13: that his first call will be to Sean Payton in
Speaker 13: Denver to reunite with Sean Payton.
Speaker 2: It's a good club.
Speaker 5: I'm not really I never really.
Speaker 12: Was in on Taysom Hill. It's not really my thing.
Speaker 2: Especially not taking Drake off the field for him.
Speaker 13: I like, if you have to get into I never
Speaker 13: understood why the Saints took Drew Brees off the field
Speaker 13: as much as they did.
Speaker 12: For Taysom Hill. So it's not not my cup of tea.
Speaker 3: But okay, uh Todd in Garner, North Carolina, other than
Speaker 3: Drake May what three players need to take the next
Speaker 3: step in their development for the Patriots to make a
Speaker 3: deep run in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: There's two offensive linement Will Campbell, Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,
Speaker 2: and you know, I just to throw a random one.
Speaker 2: I think Elijah Ponder if he's able to, you know,
Speaker 2: be that guy on the edge and give them early
Speaker 2: down snaps, give them some juice off the edge. I
Speaker 2: think that would be a huge boost and alleviate some
Speaker 2: of the concerns you might have with you know, Harold
Speaker 2: Landry Frabel saying he's not as close as uh, you know,
Speaker 2: as Gay Bacchus is right now. So it's you know
Speaker 2: that to me is such a key part of this
Speaker 2: team seeing the development of those edge players. How does
Speaker 2: Draymont Jones fit in? He said he's been in this defense.
Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing. So hopefully those two guys
Speaker 2: are able to hold the fort at least early on,
Speaker 2: until you get Akis and Landry up to speed.
Speaker 5: And maybe Swinson's in the mix.
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's showed up a little bit here
Speaker 2: and there, and you know, talked about is changing his diet,
Speaker 2: all those things he's done to really take all this seriously,
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe he's a little bit of a wildcard.
Speaker 3: Some really good perspective right now where the offensive line
Speaker 3: is working out. Over the years, this area of the
Speaker 3: practice field has been known as Dante's Inferno because the
Speaker 3: O line they're always doing something, you know, while they're
Speaker 3: doing seven on seven somewhere else, the O line is
Speaker 3: constantly working out in this part of the field, and
Speaker 3: we're getting a ground level perspective of them right now.
Speaker 3: You know, practice really hasn't officially started kind of in
Speaker 3: their position, just getting ready warming up. Practice will officially
Speaker 3: start in a few minutes, so there's ponder working. The
Speaker 3: guys do their own thing just to kind of get
Speaker 3: the blood flowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great practice. I mean it's you know, it's just
Speaker 2: interesting in pro football. The more you watch it and
Speaker 2: study it is just how the minute details of these
Speaker 2: kind of things. You know, you look at these guys
Speaker 2: and their giants and you think, oh, he can beat
Speaker 2: somebody up, but everybody's a giant, and it comes down
Speaker 2: to footwork and false steps and hand placement and resetting
Speaker 2: your hands and you know, there's so much to that
Speaker 2: technique and you can see a lot of these players
Speaker 2: working on those kind of things. Those are the kind
Speaker 2: of things that you know, Caleb lom who's going to
Speaker 2: have to learn where you take one half false step
Speaker 2: one direction your beat in the NFL, that's how small
Speaker 2: the margin is for er. So you know, getting these
Speaker 2: guys up to speed. Doug Maroon did a great job
Speaker 2: last year, Joe Jason hotailing. Hopefully they can get those
Speaker 2: guys continuing to progress. Such a theme for this season,
Speaker 2: continuing to progress, guys Corey Dirt and second year in
Speaker 2: this system. Let's get all those guys continuing up the
Speaker 2: hill and good.
Speaker 3: Shot right there of the new training center for the Patriots,
Speaker 3: the new Balance Athletics Center.
Speaker 12: And the quarterback struggling with this.
Speaker 5: Somebody so as opposed to last year where.
Speaker 3: The locker rooms were in the stadium and you walk
Speaker 3: down the service tunnel and then outside the stadium, then
Speaker 3: up the stairs.
Speaker 5: Right now they walk out and they're right on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't see him anymore. We were going in
Speaker 2: to record our post practice wrap up and it's.
Speaker 12: Kind of I kind of missed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you usually would have like a sweaty
Speaker 2: player walking in after, you know, but now, beautiful facility,
Speaker 2: and then I know, I haven't actually been in a
Speaker 2: good chunk of it yet, not that I should or
Speaker 2: it should be, but I'm excited to see the locker
Speaker 2: room for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's beautiful. It really is.
Speaker 3: Everything about it, the locker room, the weight room, you know,
Speaker 3: their lounge.
Speaker 5: The dining room is huge. I mean the dining room.
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's like anything you could possibly want.
Speaker 5: It's it's a food lover's fantasy, the dining room. So
Speaker 5: the locker room is huge.
Speaker 13: That that's the part that stood out to me. And
Speaker 13: this is a total champagne problem, but like there could
Speaker 13: be a scrum going on on the other side of
Speaker 13: the locker room when we have open locker room dues,
Speaker 13: and you will have no idea what was said or
Speaker 13: what was happening over there because it's that big. Compared
Speaker 13: to the game day locker room too. I think that
Speaker 13: the extra space I'm sure the players.
Speaker 5: Are letting at and and other teams. There was a
Speaker 5: couple announcements just the last couple of days.
Speaker 3: The Giants are redoing their training Facilityronos and the Broncos,
Speaker 3: and then there was another team announcing, you know, the
Speaker 3: building of a new facility. So that's the thing. You
Speaker 3: have to compete in the NFL. You know, it's an
Speaker 3: arms race. Players, no free agents know who's got the
Speaker 3: good facilities.
Speaker 5: They talk and it's turning into college. Yeah, you have
Speaker 5: you have to do it.
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, we're in Vegas a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago that was towards the Asma Hall. But even
Speaker 2: Minnesota last year, great facility, you know, everything right there,
Speaker 2: and you just see what modern football training facilities are
Speaker 2: looking like. And clearly the new Battleans Athletic Center is
Speaker 2: right on the cutting edge.
Speaker 13: So on looks is the inside is a little bit
Speaker 13: like Minnesota's. They took me around there when we were
Speaker 13: there for a day and gave me a little quick tour,
Speaker 13: and I feel like ours is similar to the one
Speaker 13: that the Vikings have, and they're both really nice.
Speaker 3: While we wait for practice to officially start, good time
Speaker 3: for an over under game, you guys ready, yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: so this is for the season. Drake May passing yards
Speaker 3: four thousand in a hay over, Paul says over.
Speaker 2: Paul's giving the thumbs up, enthusiastic.
Speaker 12: Four thousand, I'd say over.
Speaker 3: Okay, Drake May passing touchdowns thirty five and a hay
Speaker 3: it's a good number.
Speaker 2: Passing is a good number.
Speaker 12: Total touchdowns passing touchdown.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna say he's under.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna say under slightly because.
Speaker 2: The other the rest of the offense is even better.
Speaker 12: Well, I think he's going to I can call over,
Speaker 12: We're going to get some rushing time.
Speaker 2: Positive over there pointing to the sky.
Speaker 3: Running game is going to be elite this year. So
Speaker 3: May interceptions four and a hay over, that's that's more
Speaker 3: than that last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you like, I would say, like
Speaker 2: nine would be like a good like nine and a
Speaker 2: half would be a good number.
Speaker 13: I think the question with him, I don't know this
Speaker 13: is gotten the list, but the question with him is fumbles,
Speaker 13: not not interceptions.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but that fumbles number has got to come down.
Speaker 3: Stevenson rushing yards seven fifty and a Hey.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go over on that. I think I
Speaker 2: think you can find a way to get to a
Speaker 2: thousand of them, wander if he stays healthy.
Speaker 3: Okay, well then you got Henderson rushing yards eight fifty
Speaker 3: and a hey, I'll say under on that one case.
Speaker 2: Receiving yards is where he might rack up a little more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't have scrimmage yard.
Speaker 12: I think that's a good number.
Speaker 13: I think those two numbers are pretty good right where
Speaker 13: well the Skys are.
Speaker 3: Both thinking can hit there, you know, and now you're
Speaker 3: talking sixteen hundred yards between the two of them.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 5: So a J.
Speaker 3: Brown receiving yards one thousand and a hay over that's.
Speaker 2: Cool over yeah, over evan. Any fatation anything less than
Speaker 2: that I think could be people be disappointed.
Speaker 13: He had a thousand last year and everybody told me
Speaker 13: he was washed from the season.
Speaker 5: Last year and he was a terrible season.
Speaker 2: Over one thousand.
Speaker 3: So booty receiving yards seven fifty in a hay under
Speaker 3: under under.
Speaker 12: Not enough opportunity for seven to fifty.
Speaker 2: Okay, but give me a four and a half touchdown
Speaker 2: over under and that might be.
Speaker 5: So let me let me just ask this question.
Speaker 3: This isn't part of what Kyle from Pembroke wrote in
Speaker 3: how many yards?
Speaker 5: Well, then would you consider good for the number two receiver?
Speaker 3: Whoever that turns out to be, Whether it's Romeo, Dobbs
Speaker 3: or someone else. What would you want to see from
Speaker 3: the number two on this team?
Speaker 13: I'd say like eight hundred. Eight hundred is like the
Speaker 13: that's the bottom line, right, Like you got to be
Speaker 13: above that, and anything above that I think is good
Speaker 13: are cooking them with gas. But I would say like
Speaker 13: eight hundred just based off a volume, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And is there any chance, just because of merit
Speaker 3: and because of what he's doing out there, that Booty
Speaker 3: could emerge as the number two receiver on this team?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean sure, I just you know, I get caught
Speaker 2: up in the stuff where, you know, do you want
Speaker 2: guy with a lot of yards? Do you want a
Speaker 2: guy with a lot of catches? You know. I think
Speaker 2: there's a balance between you know, having a volume guy
Speaker 2: that's going to move the change, but also you know,
Speaker 2: having a guy down the field that can that can
Speaker 2: stretch things out. I think that's You're.
Speaker 3: Just assuming that that's all that could be in Booty's repertoire,
Speaker 3: And in the back of my mind, I'm thinking maybe
Speaker 3: you could use him in more than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'll be interesting if you know, say Dobbscott
Speaker 2: Hurt or you know, Dobbs wasn't able to go. Would
Speaker 2: that open a door for Kashawn Booty for them to say, look,
Speaker 2: let's take him out of you know, kind of what
Speaker 2: we've been doing with him and move them around a
Speaker 2: little bit more, give him those opportunities. I mean, I
Speaker 2: trust Josh McDaniels. I think Josh McDaniels knows how to
Speaker 2: evaluate wide receivers in his system and who can do
Speaker 2: what and how they can be best employed. Uh, and
Speaker 2: so you know, we'll see fred. I think that would
Speaker 2: be a really interesting thing though, if you saw all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Booty starting to you know, maybe run
Speaker 2: a little bit more of the quick game stuff and
Speaker 2: you know, get the ball out getting in his hands
Speaker 2: and see what he can do after the catch.
Speaker 5: Henry receiving yards five hundred and a hey.
Speaker 12: Had more than that last year.
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's let's go a little slightly over, I know,
Speaker 2: get some respect on the top tight ends list. I
Speaker 2: think he was like seventh or eighth in there or something,
Speaker 2: so hanging on and you know, Madden, it's a list.
Speaker 3: I saw somebody on one of Paul's TV shows yesterday,
Speaker 3: good news for the Patriots, Drake may was I don't
Speaker 3: know what he said fifth Madden list.
Speaker 12: I think he was like six.
Speaker 2: Really, that's good news for.
Speaker 3: The team that Madden ranks Drake may highed, you know six, Like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing here?
Speaker 5: I think we're judging things by Madden.
Speaker 13: I think that there's a general consensus though that he's
Speaker 13: that right now, he's sixth, and that puts him right
Speaker 13: outside of the club with Stafford and Lamar and Alan
Speaker 13: and Mahomes and Burrow because I don't think he's done enough.
Speaker 5: And it's fine, but I don't even Madden to tell me, Well,
Speaker 5: that's my point.
Speaker 3: I say, we're not just for the Patriots because of video,
Speaker 3: right is that's highly ranked.
Speaker 2: They're cutting edge.
Speaker 13: Barth cut into the show yesterday on Catch twenty two
Speaker 13: with him with breaking news about the Matten.
Speaker 2: I was just about to break Barth up because I
Speaker 2: thought as soon as said that, he's.
Speaker 13: Like we got a little bit of Patriots news, and
Speaker 13: I was like, oh, go like Christian Gonzalez or whatever,
Speaker 13: and he's like Hunter Henry is the eighth rated tight
Speaker 13: end and Madden and I was like, seriously, all right,
Speaker 13: God got.
Speaker 9: Drake rated his number twenty three.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the website right now.
Speaker 13: Maybe twenty three over overall, but overall i'mou quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: He was six sorry, right, right.
Speaker 3: Right right, Gonzo interceptions four and a hey, I'm.
Speaker 12: Gonna go under.
Speaker 5: He's not a big interceptions because they don't throw out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought Whatrable today kind of spoke to
Speaker 2: that a little bit about you know, maybe being able
Speaker 2: to make some more plays when he's not matched up
Speaker 2: with a guy. That seems like a point of emphasis
Speaker 2: for him using his athleticism to try to you know,
Speaker 2: get in on plays that where he's the extra guy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see. I mean, I think that's the
Speaker 2: final frontier for him to you know, have one of
Speaker 2: those seasons. I don't think it's ever consistent like you
Speaker 2: see those guys. It's not like, oh, every year he
Speaker 2: gets eight, like you know there's guys that have they
Speaker 2: every year at eight and then they're back down to three.
Speaker 2: So I'd love to just see him have one of
Speaker 2: those special years with the ball. Just seems to find
Speaker 2: him really rounded out.
Speaker 13: I remember Santa Samuel talking about this and him going
Speaker 13: back and forth with Bill about playing press or playing
Speaker 13: off the line of scrimmage, and he said, and when
Speaker 13: I played press. I can't see the ball, so how
Speaker 13: do you expect me to pick the ball off? If
Speaker 13: my back is to the quarterback, I'm not going to
Speaker 13: be able to see the ball. So they started to
Speaker 13: let a Sante Samuel play off more and use the
Speaker 13: T step, you know, and drive on the ball a
Speaker 13: little bit more, and then his interception numbers went up,
Speaker 13: so you know, maybe Gonzo, you know, playing a little
Speaker 13: bit more off coverage and allowing him to keep eyes
Speaker 13: in the backfield so you can see the ball coming
Speaker 13: towards him. It's hard to pick off a lot of
Speaker 13: passes when your back is to the quarterback, like, it's
Speaker 13: not a position to pick off.
Speaker 3: You heard the horn in the background. That signifies a
Speaker 3: change of periods. So we must be in period two now,
Speaker 3: Yes we are, because we're not allowed to shoot one.
Speaker 3: So cameras are on now and we're doing period two.
Speaker 5: So you can see.
Speaker 3: The offensive line and the quarterbacks getting together. And as
Speaker 3: you know, if you've watched practice before, they build up
Speaker 3: things progressionally. You know, they take one step at a
Speaker 3: time and they build towards seven and seven, and then
Speaker 3: seven on seven builds to eleven on eleven and that's
Speaker 3: how they run practice.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yep, yeah, the wather's kind of held off too.
Speaker 2: This doesn't look bad at all. It's just a little
Speaker 2: gloomy now, but not really much precipitation, so not quite
Speaker 2: the test mental tests that it might have been if
Speaker 2: it had been pouring out like it was earlier.
Speaker 12: So crazy you want to mental test in their rain.
Speaker 2: I don't want it. I don't want it. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying it would be a little bit more mentally chal
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 13: I know, but I heard you guys talking about the
Speaker 13: elements and all this stuff, like let's just let's just
Speaker 13: keep everybody up right, Like, I don't I don't need
Speaker 13: a wet field.
Speaker 3: I don't need one take advantage of it, you know,
Speaker 3: like do some stuff that you know, uh, might cause
Speaker 3: you problems if it was a real.
Speaker 5: Game, you know.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Okay, I know.
Speaker 5: That's that's what Bill always said.
Speaker 13: I get these are one of the things that I
Speaker 13: think Bill always said that didn't actually contribute to winning.
Speaker 12: Not to play the role of Paul here, but he was.
Speaker 13: I think him like devising a plan to stop Marshall
Speaker 13: fulk is probably why they want not because they.
Speaker 2: Like were ready for the elements I would say too.
Speaker 2: Though to Evan's point, way too many guys around Drake's
Speaker 2: legs over the last couple of practices I didn't like.
Speaker 3: So where he hit his arm on the follow through
Speaker 3: to pass the booty.
Speaker 2: Too many guys around him, you know. I just that
Speaker 2: you don't want to see that stuff. And as far
Speaker 2: as like guys slipping in everything and fought like, let's stay,
Speaker 2: let's stay as far from that stuff as we cant.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yesterday it was just a litany of practice injuries
Speaker 13: across the NFL. Guys getting carted off. Guys, my guy
Speaker 13: Chris Brazzle is going to be out for eight weeks
Speaker 13: with an LCL. Shamar Stewart and Cincinnati got carted off.
Speaker 12: So it's just been you know, keep everybody healthy, you know.
Speaker 3: Anthony says in all fairness, being six and Madden is
Speaker 3: a great sign, and don't forget the best franchise and
Speaker 3: owner uses Madden ratings to build this team, The Juts
Speaker 3: Jets a bunch of loses in New Jersey.
Speaker 8: I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 13: So I asked barth if Madden, if it's all like
Speaker 13: for you remember back in the day where like, if
Speaker 13: you just had a ninety nine speed at wide receiver,
Speaker 13: that's all that mattered. Like I remember Bethel Johnson was
Speaker 13: like Randy Moss because he was just so fast, and
Speaker 13: he was like, yeah kind of and I was like,
Speaker 13: so that's the ranking that we're taking seriously, is the
Speaker 13: one that as long as you're in ninety nine speed,
Speaker 13: you're good in this game.
Speaker 12: And we're taking the ranking seriously.
Speaker 3: Cynthia writes in so Excited, she says, Paul is right.
Speaker 3: People will make too much over what they see right now.
Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna enjoy the experience of watching them
Speaker 3: get ready to do amazing things.
Speaker 5: This brings me joy.
Speaker 3: I will be figuring out a way to use the
Speaker 3: phrase smooth on the hoof a've worked today.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm gonna have to google that to
Speaker 2: see if that's actually a thing. But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Is that the first time you've ever used it?
Speaker 2: As far as I know, Fred, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: just came out. I'm like an artist, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't control that. It just wo just comes out of me.
Speaker 5: I think a.
Speaker 13: Great Vrabel line that I like is that he always says,
Speaker 13: is it interesting or is it important?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 13: And I think stuff from practice this time of year
Speaker 13: is interesting. I don't think it's important yet, but you
Speaker 13: still make mental notes of, you know, this didn't look
Speaker 13: great early on with AJ Brown and Romeo Dobs, and
Speaker 13: if Romeo Dobs or AJ Brown struggle in the season,
Speaker 13: then you go back and you say, it never really
Speaker 13: looked right from day one, you know, So that's six
Speaker 13: months from now. That's not what you're reacting to right now.
Speaker 13: Right now, we're in the interesting yeah yeah, category.
Speaker 3: Well I remember, you know that that year that Patricia
Speaker 3: took over for offensive coordinator and right away it just
Speaker 3: didn't look right. It just didn't look right, and it
Speaker 3: never did. It never did. So there is there is
Speaker 3: something to say about even now the operation being smooth
Speaker 3: or not. And you know, I would say right now it's.
Speaker 2: About fifty to fifty, yeah, And I think that's about
Speaker 2: what you would expect here early in camp, especially the
Speaker 2: first few days and they're trying to get their feet
Speaker 2: under him and stuff. But Tevin's point, it's not crazy
Speaker 2: to start to expect that, you know, you start to
Speaker 2: string something together. But you know, I do think too,
Speaker 2: like to Evan's bigger point, you never come out of
Speaker 2: training camp being like they had a great training camp
Speaker 2: and they had a great year. It's like it's never
Speaker 2: such a straight line. It's right, training camp has ups
Speaker 2: and downs and stories, and really, I think the most
Speaker 2: important thing is not getting hurt and not losing guys,
Speaker 2: but the correlation between what camp they had and all that.
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard for us to sit up here
Speaker 2: and tell you unless you're in the players meetings and
Speaker 2: the coaches meetings and you know what they're saying about
Speaker 2: how they think the overall you know, tenor of the
Speaker 2: team is unfolding. But otherwise it's it's it's tough to do,
Speaker 2: tough to do.
Speaker 5: Carlos from the Canary Islands in Spain, Boo, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: bet you those are nice.
Speaker 3: How is the linebacker corps looking this season or off season?
Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of talk about cornerback and edge depth,
Speaker 3: but it looks like we are really thin on linebackers.
Speaker 3: Is there anyone besides Splane that can be a confident starter.
Speaker 13: I think I'm pretty confident in Ellis being a robin.
Speaker 13: To splain, you know, you don't want Ellis to be
Speaker 13: your primary, you know, Mike linebacker that has all that responsibility,
Speaker 13: but him him being the weak side guy, him being
Speaker 13: kind of the number two theres is fine by me.
Speaker 13: And I think I don't know if you can grade
Speaker 13: linebackers right now and or evaluate them without any real
Speaker 13: hitting or tackling or anything like that.
Speaker 12: I mean, that's is to you know.
Speaker 2: Tackle and hit Pete. But I mean the closest you
Speaker 2: can get of is I think it was the first
Speaker 2: or second day where Ellis just kind of came out
Speaker 2: and met Ramandro Stevenson with you know, what would have
Speaker 2: been a thud or a tackle, but just perfect, perfect positioning.
Speaker 2: And I think that shows Christian Ellis's remarkable rise from
Speaker 2: special teams guy to you know now it's like him
Speaker 2: and his two brothers like taking the league by storm
Speaker 2: with what they're doing at the second level. So you know,
Speaker 2: hopefully he continues to develop. I mean last year his
Speaker 2: first time is like a full time from the word
Speaker 2: go to the end as a starter, So you know,
Speaker 2: he could be a player as the weak side guy
Speaker 2: that's that's going to have some space to run around,
Speaker 2: to use his speed and make plays. And hopefully he
Speaker 2: continues to do it. I mean, you know, again, in
Speaker 2: the in the in the playoffs there, you know, getting
Speaker 2: after uh what's his name, c J. Stroud, you know,
Speaker 2: forcing that fumble and all that. So hopefully he continues
Speaker 2: to make plays. That's a big position for them.
Speaker 12: I think kJ Britt's a big player there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Is he going to replace Jack Gibbons.
Speaker 13: As sort of the third guy and spot starters team er,
Speaker 13: you know, things like that.
Speaker 12: I think it's going to be important.
Speaker 5: Matt Morell did a little research.
Speaker 3: He said, smooth on the hoof is an idiomatic expression
Speaker 3: that combines the literal concept of equine hoofcare or movement
Speaker 3: with metaphorical descriptions of athletic grace, automotive refinement, or vehicle performance.
Speaker 2: That's what I was going for, you know, it's just
Speaker 2: you know, I'll let other people try to figure out
Speaker 2: my genius. Yep, yep.
Speaker 5: Let's see Jeff.
Speaker 3: And Hickory, North Carolina calls himself the Southern Patriot.
Speaker 5: All right, all right, promise you. I thought about this
Speaker 5: before Mac mentioned it.
Speaker 3: With Ma's frame and stature, there must be some possibility
Speaker 3: that he lines up opposite of Hunter Henry as a
Speaker 3: tight end, just as Gronk lined up as a tight
Speaker 3: end and a wide receiver slot. Could there be a
Speaker 3: chance that Mac lines up in a tight end spot
Speaker 3: with the wide receiver room being so out and would
Speaker 3: that resolve part of the issue.
Speaker 5: I think he's already done that right in the past.
Speaker 2: Evan had a great diet travel. I'm done with this.
Speaker 5: Why is that?
Speaker 13: Because I keep explaining it over and over again and
Speaker 13: I'm just like, I feel like a broken record.
Speaker 2: Maybe do it again.
Speaker 13: I'm not trying to be offensas like combative about it,
Speaker 13: but it's just like, this is going to be the thing.
Speaker 13: It's going to bother me all training camp, Like we're
Speaker 13: going to get bogged down and buy the semantics of it,
Speaker 13: and it is what it is. So like, if he's
Speaker 13: he's lining up in spots where he's going to be
Speaker 13: blocking the same bodies as he's going to be blocking
Speaker 13: if he was a tight end, right, And I put
Speaker 13: that in air quotes, like if he's blocking slock corners
Speaker 13: and linebackers and safeties as a wide receiver, he's blocking
Speaker 13: slot corners, linebackers and safeties as a tight end, that
Speaker 13: we really changed his position.
Speaker 2: Right, right? You know, it's really just the difference of
Speaker 2: you would it make you feel better if he put
Speaker 2: his hand in the dirt in a three point stance
Speaker 2: and tried to get the edge.
Speaker 13: Like he means with Thomas Brown instead of meeting with
Speaker 13: Todd Downing and that.
Speaker 12: Right, we just changed everything.
Speaker 3: But the real issue there is roster spots, you know.
Speaker 13: So, but I don't think it would change in their mind,
Speaker 13: like how the roster is configured, because he's gonna do
Speaker 13: the same things regardless of what position room he's meeting.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 5: Yes, in terms of who you keep and who you
Speaker 5: don't keep.
Speaker 13: Right, But I think to them, I don't think it's
Speaker 13: going to make a difference because you're looking at it
Speaker 13: as guys filling roles and guys that are going to
Speaker 13: fit certain packages in certain situations and things like that,
Speaker 13: and his responsibilities are not going to change. You know,
Speaker 13: at two hundred and twenty pounds, he's not going to
Speaker 13: put his hand in the dirt and block a defensive end.
Speaker 3: But you don't think like counting him as a tight
Speaker 3: end opens up a slot for another receiver.
Speaker 5: No, a slot as a slot. Okay, all right, let's see.
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Speaker 5: And I was going to say the same.
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Speaker 1: Com all right, we are back here Patriots Unfiltered, our
Speaker 1: special live coverage of the first full day of pads
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, and as you can see, well at
Speaker 1: little running there from Drake May under the supervision of
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 3: The team's getting ready to, you know, get into seven
Speaker 3: on seven's and eleven's on eleven's and so.
Speaker 5: It's almost a one of the milestones of training camp,
Speaker 5: the first day of pads. There's league rules. Every team
Speaker 5: has to follow them.
Speaker 3: You can't go into pads until a certain amount of
Speaker 3: practices are under your belt. And then once you get
Speaker 3: into pads, you can only have a certain amount of
Speaker 3: padded practices, especially.
Speaker 5: During the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know which you know, say what you want
Speaker 3: about it. It's different than how me and Paul used
Speaker 3: to grow up, right, It's a good stretch for both
Speaker 3: of them, and when with double sessions, both of them
Speaker 3: in pads. Hot days at Bryant College.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the joint practices are the best, but the next
Speaker 2: week or so there'll be a lot of padded practices.
Speaker 2: Good opportunity. Unfortunately, the weather doing look great either, so
Speaker 2: it'd be nice to get a hot day. I think
Speaker 2: that'd be the next part the world. You have the
Speaker 2: extended for a little bit extended forecast, you know, thanks
Speaker 2: to our friends over there at the Weather Channel. But
Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out. I mean today you
Speaker 2: thought it was going to get rained out and now
Speaker 2: it looks fine.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: But now this is a great take, especially once the
Speaker 2: pads come on. Those first three days of practice and
Speaker 2: a walk through, those are becoming thes We established the
Speaker 2: kind of routine now under Mike Rabel. You're excited to
Speaker 2: be there the first day, but you want to get
Speaker 2: the pads, you want to get the joint practices, you
Speaker 2: want to get the preseason, and then you're gonna want
Speaker 2: to get to the regular season. So this is a
Speaker 2: good next step to take.
Speaker 3: Yep, see Josh McDaniel's over there. So what do you
Speaker 3: think this drill is that they're they're doing. It's just
Speaker 3: sort of when things break down, kind of running through
Speaker 3: the gauntlet.
Speaker 15: I got to fully, I was tweeting it security in
Speaker 15: the pocket, you know, and it's sort of moving around, yeah,
Speaker 15: to off playform play extension, you know, scramble drill, play extension,
Speaker 15: that type of stuff.
Speaker 13: Like, so you see where Josh is like running at
Speaker 13: him from certain angles. That's trying to simulate Oh if
Speaker 13: it blitz off this side or that side, or up
Speaker 13: the middle or whatever, you know, where are you're going
Speaker 13: and do that sort of thing. So that Drake Mays
Speaker 13: pro day, it was one of it was really unique.
Speaker 13: I'd never seen that before where guys were literally running
Speaker 13: full speed at him like they were blitzing him. And
Speaker 13: then he was like, you know, coming out of the
Speaker 13: back of the pocket, and so you could show off
Speaker 13: the mobility and the play extension and stuff like that.
Speaker 13: It was like they were trying to like simulate a
Speaker 13: pass rush. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Blond it if he got it, because he sure got it.
Speaker 12: He sure does.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we've been talking about this during the off season.
Speaker 3: Will they incorporate more design runs for Drake May this year?
Speaker 12: Hi?
Speaker 5: What do you think?
Speaker 2: No inside the red zone and it's the same thing
Speaker 2: we talked about last year. I think it's a good
Speaker 2: change up. They used it against the Broncos in that
Speaker 2: situation where you can get Drake to just walk in
Speaker 2: the end zone and drip the ball down. Great, but
Speaker 2: middle of the field running you know what they do
Speaker 2: with Lamar Jackson. I don't I don't really see that.
Speaker 2: It's too dangerous to me, and he's too good throwing
Speaker 2: the ball, especially downfield, like let him. I'd much rather
Speaker 2: let him take shots down the field and you know,
Speaker 2: try to dial up something or make them run through
Speaker 2: and run through the line get tackled, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get banged up.
Speaker 13: Yeah, situationally, third and one fourth and one goal line
Speaker 13: plays red zone like we saw against Buffalo, like we
Speaker 13: saw against Denver. I think that can be really helpful.
Speaker 13: But I don't necessarily see him as like a great
Speaker 13: designed runner like Lamar Jackson you mentioned, you know, Lamar,
Speaker 13: I don't really I think he's a scrambler, like I
Speaker 13: think he's a play extender. I think he's a scrambler.
Speaker 13: I think he's great, great scrambler, but I don't know
Speaker 13: if he's necessarily that dynamic, you know, by design kind
Speaker 13: of runner. So I don't anticipate seeing it a ton more.
Speaker 13: But I think they could maybe dip their toe in
Speaker 13: it a little bit more situationally and give you that
Speaker 13: extra guy and put the defense in set of numbers
Speaker 13: disadvantage by incorporating his legs.
Speaker 3: Well, I certainly hope they're telling him don't run, you know,
Speaker 3: because when when you do have that quarterback threat to run,
Speaker 3: it really, you know, gives the advantage to the offense,
Speaker 3: and when and when you're successful doing it, it's so
Speaker 3: deflating for a defense.
Speaker 5: You know, everybody covered and then your quarterback runs. For
Speaker 5: the first thing, I don't think.
Speaker 13: They're stopping him from running in the drop back game
Speaker 13: at all. I just think the question is is by
Speaker 13: design is there going to be more runs or not
Speaker 13: in the in the on the menu.
Speaker 5: Option option runs.
Speaker 13: Yes, Like you know, the point of this play is
Speaker 13: the quarterback could run the ball. Now, when you drop
Speaker 13: back and pass and scramble, that's not running by design.
Speaker 13: So I I think that that's the scrambling element that
Speaker 13: I think has to be in his repertoire.
Speaker 3: Okay, a'l Varrow from Spain, a couple of Spain emails
Speaker 3: wants to ask a ball related question.
Speaker 5: So I guess Evan's the only one that can't answer.
Speaker 2: That the show.
Speaker 5: What do you think Occas's role will be in the defense.
Speaker 3: Do you see him as an on ball standing outside
Speaker 3: linebacker or is there a chance we might see him
Speaker 3: in a Toby twenty twenty five role more like a
Speaker 3: base off ball third linebacker the first one.
Speaker 13: Yeah, he's to me, he's a peer on the ballplayer
Speaker 13: and stand up edge rusher most likely probably could put
Speaker 13: his hand in the dirt if they want to run
Speaker 13: some of those you know, four man fronts that they do.
Speaker 13: But he's he's an on the ball player. I didn't
Speaker 13: really see him play a ton off the ball. He's
Speaker 13: pretty big dude to be playing out in space like that,
Speaker 13: I don't anticipate that.
Speaker 12: So, no, he's going to be on the line. See ball,
Speaker 12: get ball, you know, go after.
Speaker 2: I drop him out from time to time. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that's a little bit of a change up
Speaker 2: for them. But yeah, Evan's right. I think that's you know,
Speaker 2: what you see from from pondering those guys. They like
Speaker 2: some versatility in them, some ability to drop out at
Speaker 2: times when they're you know, trying to disguise blitzes and
Speaker 2: send guys from the other side and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But I think he's a great fit for you know
Speaker 2: what they did last year on defense, see how he
Speaker 2: fits him with everybody else. I just you know, I
Speaker 2: love his motor and that's the thing that I think
Speaker 2: this defense. You know, I'm expecting when he gets out here,
Speaker 2: he's going to you know, make some noise with how
Speaker 2: he plays.
Speaker 3: All right, Liam and Suffolk has a question wants to know,
Speaker 3: are there any ud fas that could make the roster
Speaker 3: and if so, who are you looking at?
Speaker 5: And why?
Speaker 12: Tanna Acken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the top one.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Tanna Ark. And I'm excited to see him in pads.
Speaker 13: He's been really involved and he's going to make the
Speaker 13: team as a blocker, so you know, you got to
Speaker 13: see him progress this time of year. But I think
Speaker 13: that that's a guy that right now I would have
Speaker 13: him on a fifty three man roster projection for sure.
Speaker 13: I don't know who unless they want to go two
Speaker 13: tight ends, I guess maybe with with Gilliam as the
Speaker 13: full back. But if they're going to keep three, you know,
Speaker 13: traditional tight ends, I think Arkin is on the team
Speaker 13: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I keep an eye on Kyle Dixon. He hasn't
Speaker 2: you know, done much here. He was pretty active though
Speaker 2: in rookie mini camp, and I just I like him.
Speaker 2: He's a bigger player. I think I don't think he's
Speaker 2: going to make the team per se, but I think
Speaker 2: he could have in side track to be at least
Speaker 2: start out on the practice squad and be, you know,
Speaker 2: that practice squad player, kind of like John Giles was
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, where you need someone on
Speaker 2: your roster who's big bodied and can kind of play
Speaker 2: a part. I know that's probably not what people are
Speaker 2: looking for. They want to see somebodyho's actually going to make
Speaker 2: the team, but he could be a developmental guy down
Speaker 2: the road that maybe he does eventually end up on
Speaker 2: the roster.
Speaker 6: Sometimes and I just look at I think Arkan's the
Speaker 6: guy who, in terms of the reps with who he's
Speaker 6: playing with is I think he's ticketed for the roster.
Speaker 6: But I would look at linebackers just in general. I
Speaker 6: don't know that I would pick one out yet because
Speaker 6: I haven't necessarily seen, you know, a lot of reps
Speaker 6: with guys other than you know, the Spallane and Ellis group.
Speaker 2: I haven't really seen a lot of guys rotating in
Speaker 2: and out.
Speaker 6: But there's there's a you know, with probably a room
Speaker 6: on the roster for a guy, and maybe one of
Speaker 6: the undrafted guys gets it. But Tanner Arkin, I think
Speaker 6: is the probably the answer to the question.
Speaker 3: You mentioning big bodies before Duce, What do you think
Speaker 3: of Vita Vea?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like him. I mean I think
Speaker 2: he would definitely be a fit here. I just you know,
Speaker 2: with the Gonzalez contract situation and then he's going to
Speaker 2: want a new contract and you're gonna have to pay
Speaker 2: Drake may too. I mean, no question he would fit
Speaker 2: on this team. And you know, he's a good veteran
Speaker 2: presence and all that kind of stuff. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: kind of near the end, but I'm guessing he wants
Speaker 2: another big deal while he can still get it. I
Speaker 2: just don't know if the Patriots had the bandwidth right
Speaker 2: now with what they have to make another big investment
Speaker 2: along the defensive line when you know, really it's Barmore
Speaker 2: and Milton Williams that are that are going to be
Speaker 2: the straws during the drink.
Speaker 3: So there is Christian Gonzales and looks like he's in pads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure it does.
Speaker 3: So the question is once they get into seven and
Speaker 3: seven eleven eleven, will he be a full participant?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, real quick, just to point it out,
Speaker 2: the guy's got k ron Prunty right there next to
Speaker 2: him and He's a guy that you know is buried
Speaker 2: on the depth chart a corner, but you can see
Speaker 2: in between the pie, you know, between the upright there,
Speaker 2: you see he's got good size, like like Gonzalez does.
Speaker 2: And that's something to me that just kind of stands
Speaker 2: out with the rookie. Another guy that you know, as
Speaker 2: you have Carlton Davis out to other guys, Kendall Viildor,
Speaker 2: he's going to get some opportunities. I would guess we'll
Speaker 2: keep an eye on proNT to see if he makes
Speaker 2: any kind of a push.
Speaker 5: But it is good to see Gonzales out there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, for sure, sorry to hijack your your
Speaker 2: thing there and talk about the instead of the star
Speaker 2: cornerback the last pick of the draft.
Speaker 5: That's okay, That's that's why we're special.
Speaker 2: That's you know, we are special. I do like nd.
Speaker 12: I like the the body type.
Speaker 13: You know, he's big, he's long, Scott Liking ridiculously long
Speaker 13: arms for a cornerback, and you can see it, you know,
Speaker 13: the on ball production in college, so you know, maybe
Speaker 13: they there's something there to develop. I mean, I don't
Speaker 13: know if it will be this year that he's going
Speaker 13: to contribute maybe in a special teams role, but as
Speaker 13: a guy that that they could develop either on the
Speaker 13: practice squad or the fifty three.
Speaker 2: Yep, well it's those those late round cornerbacks like you know.
Speaker 2: He also right there have Kobe Minor and Marcellus Dial,
Speaker 2: who's more of a slot guy. Uh. You know, at
Speaker 2: some point you take these on these late round day
Speaker 2: three picks. You hope that that one of these guys
Speaker 2: maybe develops into you know, at least a special teams player.
Speaker 2: You know, you'll take that even if they're not going
Speaker 2: to contribute on defense.
Speaker 3: Norman Daytona Beach has a non football question, any idea
Speaker 3: how many dogs were adopted from the opening day of
Speaker 3: training camp dozen? My wife and I didn't already have four,
Speaker 3: we would have seriously considered taking a trip to rescue one.
Speaker 3: Truly heartbreaking to see dogs without homes. Thanks to the
Speaker 3: Patriots organization for doing this. At last count I heard
Speaker 3: this a few days ago.
Speaker 2: They were over thirty, so I think they have between
Speaker 2: fifty and sixty here, So I mean cheap is yeah,
Speaker 2: that's crazy though to think about an event thirty dogs
Speaker 2: to get adopted, like you know, but now great stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure, we'll continue to.
Speaker 5: I know, if I don't already have one, I would
Speaker 5: have taken one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have your eye on one. Where is your dog?
Speaker 2: Get jealous?
Speaker 5: Those little pities?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Oh they're cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so Paul Poplars dog.
Speaker 5: Paul.
Speaker 12: Paul was close to adopting what he was.
Speaker 2: He was considering it.
Speaker 5: Paul got bitten when he was a kid, and he
Speaker 5: doesn't like dogs.
Speaker 12: I got bit when I was a kid too, and
Speaker 12: I started.
Speaker 2: I saw my sister get bitten in the face. It
Speaker 2: was a little different. It's a little bit more traumatic.
Speaker 2: And if it was made that's bad. Yeah. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't get making light of it though, no problem.
Speaker 2: If you don't get bitten as a kid, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna get bit. What's it? What's the quote?
Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, they don't bite his puppies. They won't fight
Speaker 13: it as dogs.
Speaker 6: Oh right, right, So we got some contact going Freddie.
Speaker 2: Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? Who's that battle in fifty one? James, James,
Speaker 2: you're gonna need a little help. Boom. Who's fifty one
Speaker 2: on defense? Fifty one on def Oh that's the new guy,
Speaker 2: that's Riley Wilson.
Speaker 5: Wow, fifty one and fifty one love it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. Fifty one on fifty one
Speaker 2: crime Jami Swadson. Yeah, there's Terrell Williams. Of course to
Speaker 2: look in the news. What is the associate head coach?
Speaker 2: I think is that? What is it? What was the
Speaker 2: exact role assistant head coach? The defensive coordinators at herr
Speaker 2: out there He's gonna work Terrell.
Speaker 13: Williams a lot with the defensive line. You see him
Speaker 13: with the defensive spot, right yeah. I you know, there's
Speaker 13: maybe some administrative stuff that very Able mentioned that he
Speaker 13: would take on.
Speaker 12: But this is his specialty right here, is working.
Speaker 2: With the I'm talking about specially. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: like verybel just he loves this stuff. Man, he loves
Speaker 2: tangling with these guys getting in. I mean, that's some
Speaker 2: thing I think that surprised me most about Mike Rabel
Speaker 2: is just he seems to have a hand in everything.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just I was trying not to
Speaker 2: make assumptions, but a defensive guy, you thought I'd be
Speaker 2: around the linebackers a lot. But you know, in his
Speaker 2: time as a coach in Ohio State and Houston, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, in Tennessee. It seems like he's really developed
Speaker 2: into a well rounded coach who can coach all positions.
Speaker 2: And I'm really interested about that journey for him, Like
Speaker 2: because as a player, I would say, you know, you
Speaker 2: might feel comfortable coaching the position you played. Everybody praised
Speaker 2: Mike Brabel for his just overall football intelligence, But how
Speaker 2: do you get to the point where you have confidence
Speaker 2: to go to an offensive lineman and talk to them
Speaker 2: about their SATs or their hand placement. You know, how
Speaker 2: do you have the confidence to go, you know, to
Speaker 2: a running back and talk about, you know, picking the
Speaker 2: hole and all that kind of stuff. It's just really interesting.
Speaker 2: Great head coaches know the whole game inside and out,
Speaker 2: and I think that, you know, inspires confidence in their
Speaker 2: players that they know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody who's been with five different teams,
Speaker 3: numerous head coaches, and he said that he thinks Rabel
Speaker 3: is the most versatile, well rounded head coach he's ever been.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that doesn't really surprise me because of how
Speaker 6: he was as a player. I mean, he played extensively
Speaker 6: at multiple positions. He played, he played all different kinds
Speaker 6: of linebacker, He used to play safety on a regular
Speaker 6: basis in practice to torment Tom Braid, he played obviously
Speaker 6: tight end, you know, in a very design you know,
Speaker 6: specific design role. So the football part has What has
Speaker 6: really surprised me about Mike rabel Is. I thought he
Speaker 6: would be like what you just saw, like hands on guy.
Speaker 6: He's gonna show technique, he's going to be a player.
Speaker 6: He's going to come at it from a player's perspective,
Speaker 6: and he's going to have that physicality in that MINDSETL.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really administrative.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think that he's the CEO type and I
Speaker 6: did not expect that from my greeable. Even even watching
Speaker 6: him in Tennessee, you don't get to see that on
Speaker 6: a daily basis. I've been very surprised with how similar
Speaker 6: he is to Belichick in that he is the head
Speaker 6: of the football operation. He is the CEO of football,
Speaker 6: and I wouldn't have necessarily pegged him for that.
Speaker 2: As a player.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about just versatility and well rounded
Speaker 3: and I you know, I always tell the story after
Speaker 3: the two thousand and three Super Bowl and we were
Speaker 3: putting together three games to glory and we sat him
Speaker 3: down in front of a monitor and.
Speaker 5: He started giving us editing opinions, why did you do this?
Speaker 5: We should do that? And like.
Speaker 3: He's got a well rounded mind, I think, and it's
Speaker 3: perfe for being a head coach in the NFL because
Speaker 3: it's not just about the x's and o's. It's about
Speaker 3: when the buses are coming, when should the plane, league,
Speaker 3: what hotels were staying at. I'm not saying he makes
Speaker 3: all those decisions, but he's got to handle it and
Speaker 3: he's got an opinion on it.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I think that's one thing Fred that surprises people that
Speaker 13: are on the outside looking in about NFL head coaching
Speaker 13: is how much non football there really is that goes
Speaker 13: into that job, even press conferences, in dealing with the media,
Speaker 13: you know, but all the logistical things that you talked about,
Speaker 13: Like there's so much of that that like sometimes the
Speaker 13: football is the easy part, like once they actually get
Speaker 13: to go talk and get back into football. But I
Speaker 13: think what surprised me the most about him is I
Speaker 13: thought I knew he would be able to like be
Speaker 13: a ra ra guy, and I knew he would be
Speaker 13: able to rally the troops and give great speeches and
Speaker 13: you know, lead the room and conduct the room. But
Speaker 13: his football chops and his football acumen is you know,
Speaker 13: I think it's better than a guy like like Dan Campbell.
Speaker 13: Like I think Dan Campbell is what I'm described, And
Speaker 13: I think they have such a perfect set up with
Speaker 13: him and Josh McDaniels that McDaniels probably isn't going anywhere
Speaker 13: anytime soon, and so they don't have to worry about
Speaker 13: the play caller and the OC and that sort of thing.
Speaker 13: So you can hire a coach that has that CEO
Speaker 13: ability and not worry about the offense.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of fun too. In the
Speaker 2: press conferences, he doesn't give you much, but he gives
Speaker 2: you a little more than you got from Bill or
Speaker 2: you know, or Drop May or even you know, those
Speaker 2: kind of things. It shows, especially you know, Taylor questions
Speaker 2: are those kind of things where you know, he gives
Speaker 2: you enough to know that he knows a little bit
Speaker 2: about everything and whether or not.
Speaker 12: It's true, at least he.
Speaker 5: Tries to show that he respects the people's.
Speaker 3: Jobs that are asking the question, right, you know, and
Speaker 3: like whether or not he likes them or not, that's
Speaker 3: not the question.
Speaker 5: That's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: I think he understands their job and he respects that
Speaker 3: and he may not always like what they're asking or whatever,
Speaker 3: but that comes through that he respects the people on
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 2: You knew players of course, you know, respect Bill Belichick's
Speaker 2: football knowledge. But you know, it's one thing to have
Speaker 2: the football knowledge. But when you stand up there and
Speaker 2: I know very Abel probably does this and say, you know,
Speaker 2: I played in the Super Bowls, I had touchdown catches
Speaker 2: I had said. You know, he has been there and
Speaker 2: done everything there is to do, you know, in the
Speaker 2: NFL on an NFL football field, and you know, to
Speaker 2: capture the players, you know, respect. It just seems like
Speaker 2: such a natural progression for him. It's it's it's been
Speaker 2: really good. I'm excited to see what year two of
Speaker 2: this program looks like because you hear a lot of
Speaker 2: the same points. You know, he's kind of hitting on
Speaker 2: the same points, and that to me, you know, establishes
Speaker 2: he knows exactly what he wants the message to be.
Speaker 2: You know, in training camp, earn a role, build a team.
Speaker 2: You know though those all those boxes that they're trying
Speaker 2: to check, and it's it's it's coming together. Well, the
Speaker 2: proof was in the putting last.
Speaker 3: Just the running back tandem for the New England Patriots,
Speaker 3: Stevenson and Henderson, they're.
Speaker 12: They're just there is a list.
Speaker 13: Yesterday, Ted Winn pulled a bunch of defensive coaches, defensive coordinators,
Speaker 13: head coaches on the best offensive architects, play callers in
Speaker 13: the league. And Josh McDaniels was eighth, but he was
Speaker 13: the top OC, not head coach, play caller. So my guy,
Speaker 13: Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur, guys like that. Ben Johnson,
Speaker 13: Josh was eighth, and I just think the tandem together
Speaker 13: of him and Rabel is just it's one of the
Speaker 13: best coaching like batteries that you could have in the NFL,
Speaker 13: because you you have an OC that is really the
Speaker 13: head coach of the offense, and you have some stability
Speaker 13: there year to year that he's going to keep coming back,
Speaker 13: and you let Rabel kind of do Rabel things. You know,
Speaker 13: I would I wanted Ben Johnson a little bit because
Speaker 13: I wanted a guy to be with Drake May for
Speaker 13: the next ten years as his OCR and his play caller.
Speaker 13: But they kind of got there in a roundabout way,
Speaker 13: and now it really.
Speaker 2: Makes the world of sense.
Speaker 13: So you know, I thought it was telling that that
Speaker 13: Josh McDaniels was the top oc on that list.
Speaker 3: All right, well, we're coming to the end of the show.
Speaker 3: We're coming to the end of where we can film practice,
Speaker 3: so I want to thank everyone for watching today, hanging
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 5: Just some administrative stuff.
Speaker 3: The next time we are talking to you will be Tuesday,
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Speaker 5: Right, Is that the joint practice.
Speaker 2: No, no, that's not till next Tuesday. So yeah, we'll
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Speaker 5: Tuesday, Next Tuesday. Yeah, we're all right. Both shows next
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then we'll have the camp cast after each one
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