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Toyota 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.480 is the official vehicle of the New England Patriots. Toyota 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:07.520 Let's go places, all right, it's Paul, it's Fred, it's Deuce. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.760 Evan'll be here in a little bit. 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:14.680 And we are above the practice fields at Gillette Stadium waiting. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.560 For practice to start. They're gonna be a little delayed 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:17.160 this morning. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.560 We just were told by Stacy James, head of pr 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.440 for the team. I guess they're going to start around 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:27.440 ten thirty, so we'll be here, you know, keeping you 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.680 to get your questions in keeping your company until that time. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:36.160 But today is the first day of full pads. They 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.240 had an off day yesterday sort of a breather. There's 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.639 certain rules I think in the NFL where you can't 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.760 have more than five consecutive practices I think, and then 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.480 you have to have a day off. So Wednesday was 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.920 a day off. Now they're back at it for a 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.040 lot of players. They've told us first full day of 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.560 pads is really kind of when training camp practice starts. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.280 Sure, I mean it felt a little bit of a 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.960 ramp up, I would say two days ago on Tuesday, 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.760 where you felt like they were set in the stage 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.400 for what's going to happen today. Some of the one 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.640 on one stuff, running those drills with pads, they'll be contact. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.760 But you know, I just I like what Mike Brabel 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.920 had to say about learning to play in the elements. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:18.040 You go back to that AFC Championship game, didn't make 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.119 the critical mistake, held on and you know we're able 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.840 to win that game. So be a good test, you know, 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.320 good mental toughness some of these rookies. That's what I'm 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.919 interested in. How do they look pads get on Caleb 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.640 Lomu handling the physicality the NFL, Eli Raritan going in 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.480 some blocking drills. I mean not usually what moves the needle. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.480 But I think first day of pads here, seeing how 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.960 the rookies hold up with the physicality is a key point. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.920 Yeah, I would agree, And you get to see how 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.280 they handle some of those elements. I would expect to 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.560 see some red zone stuff, some running game stuff that 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.000 you haven't really been able to work on as extensively 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.600 when you're not in pads. So yeah, those kinds of tests, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.559 I think from a physical you know, you're already. 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:56.280 Getting tested mentally. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.840 And I thought when Christian Gonzales spoke on Tuesday, my 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.240 and he started talking about it was kind of like 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.640 the first day of real camp. He's talking about the 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.080 mental aspect because it was really humid that day, you know, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.080 first kind of training camp like weather. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.200 So you get those mental obstacles. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.320 Now you get the physical ones too, so it's always 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.680 interesting to see how they handle both. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.120 Yeah. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:22.719 Yeah, we'll see how the center quarterback exchange works out today, because, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.200 as you might have gathered from the background, it's a 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.240 little bit of a dreary day here in Foxboro. We've 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.520 had rain all day yesterday, rain all day this morning. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.799 Right now, it's just a light mist and from. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.640 What we're told by the weather reports, it's going to 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:43.040 remain that way throughout practice, so they'll be out outside 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.479 for the duration of practice. We're not looking at any 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.240 torrential downpours or lightning or anything like that that could 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.640 bring them inside. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.000 So they'll be out here. But it's gonna be wet, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:53.880 the field's wet, the ball's. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.159 Gonna be wet, and you know you need to practice 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:58.159 in this kind of weather too. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.000 Yeah, super fans are out here, as you can see. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.640 They got the uh cut the tarps on and trying 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.719 to stay dry but not too bad, not too cold. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:06.839 But this is always, you know, a great take. And 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.080 I know you guys have talked in the past about 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.960 this first day when it was a lot of times 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.120 goal line and uh, you know Ted Johnson going against 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.279 what Heath Evans or the you know, the fullback. Maybe 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.920 I'm missing up my time frames there playing Gash Sam Gash. Yeah, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.960 I got a little ahead of myself there, but those 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.160 are what I expect to see today. We know how 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.320 much Mike Brabile preaches physicality, and I think this is 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.279 part of, you know, establishing that team identity that he 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.200 is you know, constantly trying to install with this team, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.599 And this is about mental toughness. You mentioned the snap spread, 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.080 you know, smooth operation, wet ball. I mean remember the 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.920 old days of Bill going around spraying the football with water. Well, 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.839 you don't have to spray it today. You're gonna have 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.360 your own challenges. So I think it'll be a real 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.920 good test for these guys, uh, you know, mentally as 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.640 well as physically. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.599 So even though it is the first day of pats, 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.200 you think they'll be full speed? 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.760 Probably not right. You don't think they'll be bringing guys 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:56.920 to the ground today, right. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.280 Oh no, No, I don't think so. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.840 I wouldn't expect to see that in terms of like 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.680 the you know, it's the first day of pads, so 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.520 I don't. I think it's a little shorter, you know, 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.880 and probably a little bit lighter in terms of the workload. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.719 You might see that ramp up a little bit tomorrow 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.119 and and moving forward. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.520 I think they're going to be in pads. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.520 If last year is an indication, I kind of remember 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.680 back once they got in pads, they were in pads for. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.000 A couple of at least three. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.560 Consecutive days, for consecutive days, So I would expect to 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.960 see a similar thing Obviously they're always looking to improve 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.360 on how they prepare, but I can't really argue much 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.640 with how they prepared for the season last year, Freddie, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.000 you know, going fourteen and three. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.760 No, yeah, although they did lose the opening, a couple 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.360 of losses came early on and all. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:47.400 The turnovers against the Steelers, so little administrative. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:48.960 Work. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.080 Gay Baccus is as we know, he's with the team, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.560 but we will not see him out there today. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.400 No, but Rabel in his press conference today said. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.400 He's advancing through the process and he's now with the Trainers, right. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.320 Yeah, positive sign and closer than Harold Landry was what 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.760 Mike Vrabel said. And I think, you know, with everything 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.000 that's gone on this spring, I'm excited just to see 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.640 gay Bachus get on the field because seeing what you 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.480 saw from him in college, I think he's the kind 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.880 of guy that's probably like kind of rare and to 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.480 go and ready to get out there and do what 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.880 he does. So it'll be exciting to see him if 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.840 if he does get out there soon, especially with Pads. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.000 I think we talked our first show on Saturday, it'll 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.000 be great to get him out here by today. Not 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.680 quite gonna happen, but doesn't sound like he's too far off, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.720 So I think that's an encouraging sign. We'll see what 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:33.760 he looks like when he gets out here. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:39.520 Yeah, and yesterday we saw Charles Woods go off. Vrabel 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.880 kind of downplayed that one said, he doesn't think it's 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.120 anything too serious. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.280 Might have been cramps something like that. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.120 Yeah, it could have been heat related. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.680 It's funny from watching the two injuries, Calton Davis being 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.720 the other one, the two guys that left practice earlier, 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.040 the two corners, I would have reversed it. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.120 I would have thought, you know, we'll see Davis because 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.320 that's what he likes. We always see callin Davis. He's 0:07:59.360 --> 0:07:59.800 just always on. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.320 He's always limping and always dealing with something with his shoulder, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.960 but he just seems to always be there. And I 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:11.160 didn't think Woods was as as significant. I mean, I 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.320 thought Woods might be more significant, I should say. And 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.720 now obviously Rabel said today doesn't really seem like there's 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:17.640 a whole lot to worry about. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.000 Will so I expect to see Woods. I don't expect. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:31.600 He said, we won't see Carlton Davis. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:28.440 So you know what you're going to get from him 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.400 as a veteran, so this has been an interesting spot, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.240 the depth at cornerback. We knew Charles Woods was a 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.600 guy that stepped in last year on the outside when 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.120 he had to to fill in a little bit. So 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.080 I'm never opposed to if you're going to miss a veteran, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.880 hopefully not for long, of course, but if he's gonna 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.280 miss a few practices, it's going to give a chance 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.280 for a guy like Charles Woods to really get some 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.679 good quality reps with the ones, especially here with pads on, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.000 So opportunity for him, opportunity for the team to continue 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.280 to develop that depth that you're always going to need, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.560 especially at the cornerback position. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.920 Okay, you guys mentioned earlier you think they'll be in 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:00.800 red zone today. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.760 Yeah, yeah, I think that's usually. I think red zone 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:04.760 generally is early. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.280 Now I might be leading a little bit more on 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.360 my muscle memory of Bill Belichick, who always had early 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.599 padded practices were in the you know, filled with the 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.800 red zone stuff. But I would just I mean, I 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.240 think just think it makes a lot of sense red 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.240 zone physicality in the red zone, running game kind of stuff, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.680 But in terms of tackling to the ground, I wouldn't 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.160 expect to see much of any of that. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.520 I think it's a really important part for Mike variable 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.040 in this team last year, I think both the red 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.440 zone offense and the red zone defense, especially until the 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.760 playoffs struggled. I think it's a point of emphasis this 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.040 year that that's a tangible spot where they can be better, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.480 where it can make a huge difference in games. So 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.600 I think it's I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, Paul, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.559 we you know, we joke on training camp there usually 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.360 with Bill they were in the red zone like that 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:47.920 was it. I mean it was like, man, it is 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.080 red zone after red zone after red zone. But I 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.800 think it's a good opportunity not only set the tone 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.239 of physicality with the pads, but to stress the importance 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.439 of getting you know, those stops that they made in 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.160 the playoffs. I mean, you think about Marcus Jones making 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.600 that tackle on Justin Herbert, the you know, the fourth 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.440 down stop against the against the Broncos. Those are huge 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.560 plays in those games that you know, really contributed to 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:09.520 them going to the super Bowl. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:10.960 Yeah. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.720 So listening to some of Paul's shows by h well, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.600 you know, I have a long commute as you know, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:17.840 so I have a lot. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.439 Of time and the wait I was on one this morning. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.160 There's I think there's a good amount of consternation on 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.160 the Drake may A J. Brown connection that it hasn't 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.120 really clicked yet. What what do you guys think. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.360 Paul, I don't really have a lot of consternation, but 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.400 it hasn't really clicked yet. Yeah, you know, but yeah 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.440 I'm not. This is something I think Fred, you you 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.040 teed us up just before the start of camp. You 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.400 know some of the things that you'd be looking to see, 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.160 and this was kind of one of the areas I 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.200 was looking at. The overreaction to whatever happens with AJ 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.959 Brown right go to or bad. I thought there was 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:59.079 overreaction on the positive side in the spring, and now 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:00.559 I think it might be a little litle bit of 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:06.480 overreaction the other way. It hasn't been great. Both Brown 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.920 and Dobbs to me, look like they're still learning what 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.480 they're doing. And I think it's hard to play that 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.920 way even if you're as talented as those two guys are, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.640 especially Brown, you know, I mentally productive receiver in this league. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.280 I think when you learning a new system. They both 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.360 come from West Coast backgrounds. West Coast offense backgrounds, yep, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.040 which is different, you know, a lot different. We heard 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.319 from Brian Hoyer a couple of years ago just how 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.199 different the Josh McDaniels system is to that West Coast system. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.320 So that holds true for wide receivers too, So I'm 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:43.320 not necessarily consternated. Yeah, but I definitely have noticed that 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.280 it hasn't it hasn't clicked yet, and I'm. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.520 Not going to put it all on the receivers. Drake 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.880 hasn't been you know, perfectly accurate. Yeah, yeah, I've seen. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:52.320 I've seen. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.760 You know, there was one over the middle to Brown 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.760 where you know we overshot him. Uh So I think 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.280 the quarterback needs to settle in as well, you know, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:06.840 with his accuracy. So I'm with Paul, I'm not there's 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.720 no consternation on my part. I think both Dobbs and 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.520 aj Brown are pros. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.160 You know, they'll get it. Yeah, I'll get it, they'll 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.040 get it. Where I think that it's. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.160 Going to take time is in this type of offense, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.559 there's some decision making that has to. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:23.679 Be made by the receivers. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.440 It's not like that West Coast where everybody's got the route. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:28.520 It's kind of more. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.880 Rhythmic, you know, balls out of the hands of the 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.200 quarterback really quickly. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.199 I think there's more thinking involved in this Josh McDaniel's offense. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.800 And I don't want to say that it'd tell you 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.080 it's rocket science, but it just takes a little time. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.880 And I would say by next week, you're going to 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:46.960 see an improvement. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.600 Yeah, I would hope. Yeah. And I like what you said, Fred. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.600 I mean, I think there were some throws that Drake missed. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.520 I think there were probably some where Dobbs or Brown 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.280 weren't in the exact spot that he wanted him wanted 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.200 them to be. And that's a work in progress. But 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.840 you know, I do think it was a positive sign 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.640 for me just to get that glimpse of Drake launching 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.440 that bomb to Kaishan Boody, because that was what made 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.160 Drake a superhero last year. His downfield accuracy, his connection 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.079 you know with Kaishan Boody was on display last year. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.760 It's on display here in practice. So that is what 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.280 is going to make this team be special. If Drake's 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:21.960 able to continue to throw the ball down the field 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.360 with accuracy, and you know, as Aj Brown and Dobbs 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.560 hopefully learned to find the right spots and Drake gets 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.000 warmed up, you can start rolling. But I think there's 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.560 too much talent to really get worried over what three 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.040 practices and a walk through they got time. But look, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.480 it's something everybody's going to be watching for no question, everybody. 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.280 All eyes are on aj Brown and how can he 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.520 elevate this offense? What level can he help them get to? 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.880 You mentioned booty. I mean he's just doing what he 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.480 does right. When he gets throwing the ball, he catches it. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.200 So I don't know. I'm I'm beginning to think that 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.280 this guy's going to be a New England Patriot in 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:56.480 twenty twenty six. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.080 Twenty twenty six, Well, you wonder where you know his 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.320 head's at. And I mean he's, like Mike Fabel said 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.080 this morning in the press conference. You know, he's been 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.319 the same guy. He doesn't really say much. He goes out, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.480 he does his job. He catches the ball when it 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.600 comes his way, even if it's a tough catch. So 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.920 if you're Kayshan Boudy, do you look at this and 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.720 say I got a good rapport with Drake? Maybe I 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.720 won't get the volume that I'm going to need to 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.680 really truly get that sizeable free agent contract that he 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.480 might want next year. But at the same time, what's 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.720 the guarantee if you do go somewhere else and you 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.160 got to learn a new offense and you got to 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.359 feel out a new quarterback, is that you know necessarily 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:29.880 going to make a more productive somewhere else. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.320 I don't know, right, And how many quarterbacks have that 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.120 touchdown field that can take advantage of Booty's talents. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:37.320 Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, the 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.680 most productive twenty twenty six season for Kaishan Boudy very 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.480 likely is going to come here in New England, even 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.760 if it is in a you know, rotational kind of 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.080 a role. And look, injuries happen all the time. It's 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.560 not hard to see, you know, AJ Brown has a 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.520 hamstring issue one week or something, you're going to be 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.840 really glad you have Kaysehan Boody. So I got a 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.560 lot of respect for how he's gone about it and 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.760 just how he's progressed since he got here as a rookie. Yeah, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.480 we scheduled to hear from him today Booty. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:02.800 And I feel like. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.280 The way that Mike Vrabel answered the question is before 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.760 we've came on the air, how has he been? You know, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.200 we've seen his production on the field, how has he 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.000 been off the field? 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:13.840 And he said exactly the same as last year. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:19.440 Very professional, and I think that that will remain as 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.240 long as he feels like he's being dealt with. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.720 Honestly, I agree with Mike. In terms of injuries. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.360 We've been talking all off season about how fortunate the 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.440 Patriots were with injuries last year. Well, maybe that's not 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.040 the case this year. Who knows, who knows where it comes. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.400 If they get injuries, then I think that Booty's best 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.160 solution is here. If there's no injuries, virtually any option 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.520 would be more than thirty catches. So I can understand 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.760 if he gets to the end of training camp and 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.200 everybody's healthy. Yeah, and now he says, I did everything 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.120 you guys asked me to do. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:52.720 You got to get me somewhere. Now, I don't know 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:53.480 what he's going to say. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.880 I'm curious to see how he handles those questions. My 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.320 guess is he's going to take a page out of 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.720 Christian Gonzalez's playbook from Tuesday. He's not going to get 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.520 into anything like that. He's just going to say, I'm 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.720 here playing football. That's my only mindset, my only focus. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.960 Has proven that I'm one of the best receivers in 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.040 his team. He's a very confident kid, and he's and 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.520 he's carried himself that way for the last really three seasons, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.040 but especially the last the last two counting this year, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.120 you know, twenty five and twenty six. He's done everything 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.560 that's been asked of him. And I wouldn't expect him 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.480 to speak out of turn today either. But if he's 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.560 feeling that way at the end of training camp, if 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.040 everybody's healthy, I could completely understand it, because he feels 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:32.680 like he's he's capable of more. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.240 Yeah, you know what make it interesting too, is if 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.240 Kyle Williams started to make some plays or start to 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.440 show up a little bit, and then you know, even 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.640 from the Patriots depth perspective, you might feel like we 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.920 can get something maybe for Kashawan based on how he's 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.680 had a really good summer. But this is going to 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.920 open the door a little bit for Kyle Williams because 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.800 you know, that's another been another storyline that he just 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.560 doesn't really gotten any opportunities, and I mean looks sometimes 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.320 guy's got to run with the twos and you got 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.360 to find a way to make some plays when the 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.200 ball does come your way. And that's just where hot 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.360 that's where, you know. And you know Chisholm's made a 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.159 few catches here and there, but but he but he 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.600 has you know, I mean, Kyle Williams hasn't. So you know, again, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.120 I'm not going to overreact to A J. Brown. I'm 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.840 not going to overreact to to Kyle Williams, but I 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:11.480 think he needs to. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.159 Those two guys have not been factors at all. I 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.679 don't know how one three catches each with the twos. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.640 I didn't see the three Kyleiams I saw yesterday Tuesday 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.000 with the twos, not not with Drake May. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.760 Get any reps with Drake May? Yeah, No. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.919 But Chisholm looks good. You know when he's out there. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.680 With the twos, he's absolutely well. When you're talking about 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.240 the death, that's that's to me where those guys are. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.679 And you know you got a wigh Kayshawn Boody in 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.119 a lame duck year, Kyle Williams, you know, in a 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.639 year where you're looking for him to make a second year, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.920 Leap won an off season award, has clearly been focused 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.400 in training. So that's I think that's gonna be where 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.800 the decision comes down to Williams and Booty all right. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.359 Eight five to five, PATS five hundred is the hotline. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.960 Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.800 We got Lucas and holy Oak, Holy Ok. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:11.359 Probably I went to holy Cross. I never heard of 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.880 Lucas on the phone. How you doing, I'm doing good. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.960 So my question is, do you guys think our offensive 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.440 line this year, especially on the left side, so Will 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.320 Campbell will be as good as the start of last year, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.000 because when Will Campbell got the injury, he got worse 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.480 and and had the Super Bowl, it didn't seem like 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:36.639 they were one hundred percent. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.639 I think it's going to be better, honestly better be 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.320 uh yeah, because not just because of Will Campbell, but 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.640 because of Vera Tucker next to him. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.680 I mean, you've got a really. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.840 Seasoned pro, a pros pro next to him, and if 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.800 he can stay healthy, I you know, I think he 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.520 might be I think I heard one of your guys 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.320 last night, Mike g already say if he's healthy this year, 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.800 he could be the best pickup of the offseason for 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:05.480 the Patriots. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.760 Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm curious to see lom Lomu. I 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.320 think Loan was a really important player. You know, I 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.119