WEBVTT - Charlie's Angels (2000)

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<v Speaker 1>On the bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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<v Speaker 1>women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best

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<v Speaker 1>start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello Charlie, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's me Charlie. Oh Hi, I'm a hot girl. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you want me to do? I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>do a mission, But you'll never meet me, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>then of ours kind of that's what's kind of hot

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Isn't You're an old man that I can't

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<v Speaker 1>see and I can never meet, And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what gets me going with all my friends and Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Murray fucking what there? Hi? Welcome to the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie is so weird. Okay, um Hi, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Becktel Cast of My name is Jamie Loftus. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Caitlin Darante. This is our feminist movie podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and as you can tell, we're going to discuss a

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<v Speaker 1>very feminist movie today, a feminist text. True. I mean yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've truly built myself from the building blocks of these

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<v Speaker 1>various bikini people. Um yeah. I also learned who Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwell was from this movie. What is this podcast. So

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about I know, this is our first time

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<v Speaker 1>recording in quite some time. We take each other a

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<v Speaker 1>big gap in like a month, maybe even more, No,

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<v Speaker 1>September one. Isn't it weird that I've been keeping counting

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<v Speaker 1>like I have haven't seen you for twenty nine days? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, because of our live episodes. Oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. Okay, yes, anyway, so we're all out of sorts,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're back and better than ever. And we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the representation of women in film and how it's usually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not the best, and we use especially in

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<v Speaker 1>the year two thousand, I think that this is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a low and indeed, yeah, and we used the Bechdel test,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes known as the Bechdel Wallace test, which requires that

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<v Speaker 1>female identifying characters with names must speak to each other

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<v Speaker 1>about something other than a man. Hello. Oops, it already fails.

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<v Speaker 1>Um by our standards, it must just be a two

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<v Speaker 1>line exchange, right, So we're set. We're starting by setting

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<v Speaker 1>the bar real low and seeing if if any movies

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<v Speaker 1>can crest it. And that the test is invented by

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<v Speaker 1>cartoonist Alison Bechdel, and sure is. Oh boy, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back nine days. I feel like I haven't spoken

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<v Speaker 1>so long. We also have a guest with us. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>per usual, our guest today. She's a comedian, a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>You've seen her on SNL and she's the co host

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast Best Friends with past guest of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Byer. It's shears amid up. Yes, Hi, Hello, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a who do we know? Who plays char

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie? It's the actual Charlie from the TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the back of the back of the head guy

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of that actor that we saw physically

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie is the same person. But the voice

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<v Speaker 1>is the same as the guy who played Interest in

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<v Speaker 1>the TV show. And I'm looking up his name as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak, and he's not first build, So let me

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<v Speaker 1>give me a second. Well, that's part of why he

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<v Speaker 1>is such an icon, as he doesn't take up space.

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<v Speaker 1>John forsites it's his name. And this is not passing

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<v Speaker 1>the Bechdel test, so they're not all going to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>But so, sire, thank you so much for being here. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about your history, your relationship with this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>this maybe franchise as it were, and and so to be.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the two thousand movie version Cameron Diaz,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore, Lucy Loo. Yes, yes, I watched this movie

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<v Speaker 1>when he came out. I'm pretty sure I saw Full

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<v Speaker 1>Throttle as well, and I remember liking it. It's fun

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<v Speaker 1>to see women do stuff that's like action every thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that was fun, And this is my first time seeing it,

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<v Speaker 1>probably since it came out. I think that's probably the

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<v Speaker 1>case for a lot of people. Yeah, this isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>movie that people seem to like revisit a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're and we're discussing it because the reboot is about

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<v Speaker 1>to come out, because legally, you have to everything, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we're did I mean otherwise, I truly don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I ever would have seen or thought about

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<v Speaker 1>this movie again. And I'm sure that that's true for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe everyone who was in the movie. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>the name of them? I got really stuck on this

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<v Speaker 1>when I was like doing the background research for this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of the director is just is that he

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that. I'm not familiar with Mick Gee's work.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I feel like he was a music video

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<v Speaker 1>director he which makes sense for her. Okay, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>more sense to me. I was just like how this

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<v Speaker 1>is his first feature, but he also he comes back

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<v Speaker 1>for full throttle. He does Keeping in the Family because

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<v Speaker 1>he was a success the first time. Nick g and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then the movie is of course written by

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<v Speaker 1>three men, including John August, who um I think people

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<v Speaker 1>maybe think better of but you know, it was, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was two thousand. I do remember noticing that Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Barrymore produced this movie, like when it came out and

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<v Speaker 1>or like she's one of the producers, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>being like fucking good for her, like because she's had

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<v Speaker 1>a life, you know, like from going from like a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old attictude still alive and really like creating

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<v Speaker 1>her own ship. I think that's really great and awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So and she made a ton of money off this franchise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah, and she's and when this movie came out,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like still only twenty five, which is crazy insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean she's lived several lives. Yeah, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your history relationship with this? I think pretty similar.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember seeing this movie at like a sleepover at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, thinking it was really funny and cool and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I was probably like eleven, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I understand this sexy joke and like,

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<v Speaker 1>just everyone's just faking their way through it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think I just saw it me once, maybe twice.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it in at least fifteen years. And

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<v Speaker 1>also it was kind of fun on his watch to like,

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw this movie for the first time, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who Sam rock Well was. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>who Tim Curry was. Like, there were all these actors

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<v Speaker 1>that are in this movie that I just was like

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<v Speaker 1>when I was ten, I was just like, Lucy News awesome. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a ton of people and a ton of people

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<v Speaker 1>made a ton of money, and at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, don't we just want a bunch of random

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<v Speaker 1>people to have a lot of money. This movie also

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<v Speaker 1>looks so expensive. There was a whole scenes that could

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<v Speaker 1>be cut that are so it was. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>really early odds decadence for no reason. Yeah, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>history with it? I had never seen any of this

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's Angels content. I hadn't watched the show at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Never watched these movies, not this one nor Full Throttle.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen both of them now. Um, except for

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty minutes of Full Throttle, which I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have time to finish before we started recording. With you

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<v Speaker 1>on your toes. You don't want to. You couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of it. You're dying to not turned out.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as we hit stop on this record, I

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<v Speaker 1>will return to it. But then as you have to run,

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<v Speaker 1>don't walk. I yeah, I just I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ever see these, but I think I was like, maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, two thousand, I was a freshman in

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<v Speaker 1>high school, so I was like, I'm too cool for

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<v Speaker 1>girl movies. I'm a guys out, you know, that wholest

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person, right, So but I gathered some information

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized a lot of it now is misinformation

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<v Speaker 1>from these movies. Like I thought I thought Bernie Mack

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<v Speaker 1>was Charlie, but he's just Bosley, but only in the

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<v Speaker 1>second movie, like I just had. I was all, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all mixed up, But now I've said everything straight. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Murray isn't in the second movie, correct, because apparently

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<v Speaker 1>he had um there was animosity between him and mc

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<v Speaker 1>gee and then also apparently between him. God, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>hate that sentence so much. That's brutal um. Oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're you gonna say Lucy Lou was the other person

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<v Speaker 1>he had. I also remember hearing that and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. When I heard this, was like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird thing, but then didn't realize that I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching the movie. Oh it's probably from this movie, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, when would they have talked to each other?

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't know. But yeah, I guess that beef.

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<v Speaker 1>That sucks because also I've never met Actually I met

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<v Speaker 1>Lucile once, very pleasant as were at a show, So

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<v Speaker 1>why would why would she be otherwise? But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does she really mean? For? In my mind, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>who would ever be mad at her? Should I dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the recap? Yeah? Recap away? All right? So Charlie's

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<v Speaker 1>Angels two thousand, directed by Feminist Icon, tells the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Um okay, so there's an opening sequence so crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>I think we just need to dedicate like a full

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<v Speaker 1>hour to talk about that separately. I have a quick

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is a feminist podcast, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be sprinkling in some First, he directed the

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<v Speaker 1>smash Mouth All Star music video He's Coming in Hot

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Now and then he then he directed documentaries for

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<v Speaker 1>both Corn and Sugar Ray because there's or his must

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<v Speaker 1>be told. And then he got Charlie's age. Wow. Interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, this is the guy. His voice clearly is

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<v Speaker 1>mal teens love him. The opening sequence, they're on a

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<v Speaker 1>plane and LLL Cool jays there and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing a little later on, but we're introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to the Angels, this trio of crime fighting private investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>They are all women. The twist twist is there women

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<v Speaker 1>this time, and they all work for this guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie who they've never met. They've only ever heard his voice,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a carryover from the show as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the Angels are Natalie. That's Cameron Diaz. She's really

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<v Speaker 1>good at driving and she's also a genius on Jeopardy.

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<v Speaker 1>Very unclear. Their characters are perhaps not defined very well. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're like they marry Sue, like scene by scene,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, no, she's also a scientist. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw her at a cop academy. They're like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a scientist. Then we've got Alex that's Lucy Lou.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a horseback rider, but then they neither of

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<v Speaker 1>which come into play at any other point, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>dating Matt LeBlanc, who also plays an actor and who

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<v Speaker 1>has a very bad haircut that's wet all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Another wet haired Yeah, just like guys who look like

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to be toweled off. And then Dylan Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Barrymore's character. She's kind of like a badass rocker chick.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess also she's the slutty one because she

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<v Speaker 1>has sex with Chad a k A. Tom Green future

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<v Speaker 1>husband hard Pilled the swallow. Yes, and then maybe he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Oh sure, yeah, we don't know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he's great. Then we also meet Bosley. That's Bill Murray's character,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is the liaison between Charlie and the Angels.

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<v Speaker 1>They get their next assignment, which is to find Eric Knox,

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<v Speaker 1>a tech bro who was kidnapped and whose voice recognition

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<v Speaker 1>software was stolen. His business partner, Vivian Wood, has hired

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<v Speaker 1>the Angels to find him, and as they're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this surveillance footage of knox Is kidnapping, they spot this

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<v Speaker 1>like thin man in the reflection of a window. That's

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<v Speaker 1>his character's name the Thin Man, which is like another

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<v Speaker 1>well that's like another reference to the show. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is it a shower a movie? I'm like, I'm pretending. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's Angels was a TV series on I forget which network,

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<v Speaker 1>some broadcast at work in the seventies into the early eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I have not seen any of but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it lasted like four or five seasons. That was

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<v Speaker 1>like where Fara faws it became famous, right, that was sure, people,

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<v Speaker 1>we're too young and we're going to dive into our

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<v Speaker 1>engines to be like stupid idiots on the bittle cast

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<v Speaker 1>didn't watch a show from nine six? I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready. I think it was. Yeah, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>far faucets. Yeah that was yeh would believe. Yeah. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also a lot of remix of Charlie's Angels. I just

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<v Speaker 1>typed in Charlie's Angels into IMDb, and there's like the

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<v Speaker 1>ones coming out into eighteen, the two thousand's one, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six TV series, two eleven, TV series three, video game,

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<v Speaker 1>something called Charlie's Angels that came out in two seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure who Charlie is I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a popular property. Everyone once to adapt it, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is like weirdly telling in its own way to

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<v Speaker 1>just like why are we still trying with this? There

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating about women who are hot but also good

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<v Speaker 1>at spy stuff, also just subservient to a godlike boy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's two and six TV show Grief. The Thin Man

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<v Speaker 1>is a is a famous detective movie. Oh yes, uh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>The Thin and the Thin Man. Um. Okay, So they

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<v Speaker 1>spot the thin Man in the reflection of a car

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<v Speaker 1>window and they so they're like, Okay, we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out who this guy is. We have to find him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they know of an enemy of Eric Knox,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy named Corwin. That's Tim Curry's character, who owns

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<v Speaker 1>a satellite company and who at one point tried to

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<v Speaker 1>buy Knox Enterprises, but Knox refused to sell. Did any

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<v Speaker 1>of you get like confused with the various villainous plots

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<v Speaker 1>that were like I kept I was trying really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to find I was like, this is like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like many like spies, like detective espionage type stories. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're purposefully convoluted so that when I don't go

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't realize how many like plot holes there

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<v Speaker 1>are stuff like that. I was just I was getting

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<v Speaker 1>like insecure, and I was like, I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>there and they're going to know exactly what happened. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really sure what happened. Why are they at a

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<v Speaker 1>race track? Doesn't matter and they are racing. Full Throttle

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<v Speaker 1>is far more confusing. So if you think this one's bad, like,

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<v Speaker 1>just wait till you see Full Throttle and a complidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just was worried that I personally was stupid

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't understand. No, it's it's for sure overly complicated

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<v Speaker 1>and pretty nonsense cool. Okay. So um, the Angels crash

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<v Speaker 1>Corwin's party to try to get some intel, and Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson is there and he and Natalie are flirting. Sure. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And at the party they spot the Thin Man, who

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<v Speaker 1>is played by Crispin Glover and they all chase after him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he inadvertently leads them to Eric Knox, all tied

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<v Speaker 1>up and kidnapped, who Jamie, as you pointed out, is

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<v Speaker 1>played by Sam Rockwell and all star cast is what

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<v Speaker 1>we're sasses Sam Rockwell wild, So they rescue him, but

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<v Speaker 1>his voice recognition technology is still gone, and they realize

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<v Speaker 1>that Corwin wants this voice technology because it can turn

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<v Speaker 1>any cell phone into a homing device, So they have

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<v Speaker 1>to get it back to protect people's privacy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that what going through right now? I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew, they knew back into thousand that we should

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<v Speaker 1>have listened to McGee when we had the chick. So

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<v Speaker 1>then they plant a camera on Corwin's briefcase at the

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<v Speaker 1>race track, which is a scene that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>have so that they can survey the inside of his

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<v Speaker 1>like corporate headquarters. And then they figure out what they

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<v Speaker 1>need to do to infiltrate Corwin's security vault. Um, there's

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<v Speaker 1>these like two security director guys whose fingerprints and retinal

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<v Speaker 1>scans they need. So they go and gather that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and they break into the vault and hack into Corwin's

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<v Speaker 1>main frame. They do have they hack and that's pretty hard,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta handed to him. They hack, and also Melissa

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy's there. Melissa McCarthy is there. Yeah, this is like

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<v Speaker 1>has to be a really early role for her, right,

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<v Speaker 1>She's great. She calls Lucy Lou a bitch in a

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<v Speaker 1>scene that spoiler alert does pass. The Betel test does pass. Yeah,

0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it is full of four hornymen flanking Lucy Luke, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet somehow it still a limited metric that's not perfect. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Knox and Drew Barry Moore's character Dylan, are flirting, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Cameron Diaz is going on her date with Luke Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>Vivian Wood, Knox's partner, seems kind of suspicious, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she is also seducing Bill Murray shortly because everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>to be seducing someone. If you're a woman in this movie,

0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.800
<v Speaker 1>you must be seductive. Yes, yeah, yeah, we'll talk all

0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.480
<v Speaker 1>about your body is your only weapon in most scenes.

0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And then Crispin Glovers the thin man who is Crispin Glovers?

0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Why should I know? Um played George McFly in Back

0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.760
<v Speaker 1>to the Future. That's probably his biggest role to date,

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I know him. He kills Corwin, Tim Curry's character,

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<v Speaker 1>and then other people are trying to kill the Angels,

0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and then Vivian drugs and kidnaps Bosley because surprise, Vivian

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<v Speaker 1>and Knox are the bad guys. Yes, yes, yep, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the Angels figure out that Knox was using them

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<v Speaker 1>to tap into Corwin's satellite technology so that Knox could

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<v Speaker 1>use his voice recognition software to track down Charlie, their boss,

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<v Speaker 1>because he thinks that Charlie killed his father, so sure

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he's after him. This is honestly, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally gone at this point, have no idea. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Angels figure out where Bosley is being held and

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<v Speaker 1>they go after him to rescue him. So they all

0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 1>arrive at this place is like fortress. Knox captures Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>and ties her up. Natalie rescues Bosley and then fights

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<v Speaker 1>with Vivian for a bit. Um. Alex tries to interfere

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<v Speaker 1>with Knoxes like phone trace to figure out where Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>is while she's also fighting Crispin Glover. And then finally

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<v Speaker 1>all these all these fights are happening exhausting, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Knox finally pinpoints Charlie's location and then like leaves in

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<v Speaker 1>a helicopter to go very far, not far, extremely conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>like a jet ski away. And then the Angels are

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<v Speaker 1>fighting off the bad guys and then they go to

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<v Speaker 1>stop Knox. They blow up his helicopter and then they

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great shot where the missile hits oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam rockwell and explodes. He dies so he could he's

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<v Speaker 1>in pieces. He shred it intense. Then then they wash

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<v Speaker 1>up on the beach right in front of Charlie's house,

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<v Speaker 1>which is right there, which is at the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the beach, not even deep in a forest, like, oh,

0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:10.639
<v Speaker 1>he's in hiding, all right, but he's not there and

0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.160
<v Speaker 1>they just missed him because you can only ever hear

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<v Speaker 1>his voice, are so horny before they go into the house,

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<v Speaker 1>like do you do you think he's gonna Their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>drives me nuts. They're all soaking wet and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think he's gonna? Uh? And that's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the movie. They're drunk on the beach

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<v Speaker 1>after that, and then that's the end. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's actually watching them from afar and chooses to not

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<v Speaker 1>what we were discussing. It sure does the angels. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>can't we start with I wanted to complement this movie

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<v Speaker 1>on exact like on on one thing that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was and there's the moments where you're like, but I

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of expecting the fight choreography in this

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<v Speaker 1>movie to be super lame and like the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we see female action heroes, especially like a little earlier on,

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<v Speaker 1>are really like they're only allowed to fight other women.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't really have weapons. They're pulling hair and kicking

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Literally, they're vagina pressing. What is the movie

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<v Speaker 1>where they've vagina pressed each other in the face? And you're, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there are there are dozens of movies where

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<v Speaker 1>a woman wraps her slash vagina around usually a man's face,

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<v Speaker 1>but exactly it could be any gender. Uh, And then

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<v Speaker 1>like slam pussy slams them into the ground. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I meant when vagina press, that was nasty. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like some merch we will need to make.

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<v Speaker 1>The vagina press. I thought it was two pussies pressed

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<v Speaker 1>against That's what I thought. I was like, what movie

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<v Speaker 1>is this? We'll make a list, but but and and

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<v Speaker 1>not in every example, but the fight choreography was way

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<v Speaker 1>better and cooler than I thought I was going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like the whole first fight sequence where the

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<v Speaker 1>three of them are fighting that guy. You can tell

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<v Speaker 1>it's the actual actors that are doing the fight choreography.

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<v Speaker 1>They're really good at it. It seems like they're like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like exciting. I don't know. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the fight choreography that I thought was like

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<v Speaker 1>way better than I was expecting from this kind of movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It did seem like with their legs in the air

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time that they were being held up

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<v Speaker 1>by strings or something. For sure, sure there was there

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<v Speaker 1>was at one point where you can see Drew barrymore

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<v Speaker 1>Land and a harness and sort of be like she

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<v Speaker 1>like bounces down. I was like, a Jay didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the shot. Well, this movie comes out a year after

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>The Matrix comes out. In this movie and desperately wants

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<v Speaker 1>to have fight scenes that look a lot like the

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>fight scenes in The Matrix they have. There's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like there are elements of this movie that are so

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<v Speaker 1>campy silly that I'm like, the obvious harnesses I thought

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of fun because they could afford to not

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this. They had a ninety three million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>budget to make this movie, which in two thousand, who

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<v Speaker 1>even knows. It's like ridiculous. They were just blowing up

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<v Speaker 1>race cars because it was allowed. They're like again in

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<v Speaker 1>a scene that really has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. No, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just checking because I was like maybe every

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<v Speaker 1>time I would get confused, I like, probably because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand the race car scene. Yeah, you know it

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>really is that scene. Does something happen in that scene?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the point was to plant a camera on

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<v Speaker 1>this guy so they could figure out the entryway to

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<v Speaker 1>the vault vaults. But there's no reason that needs to

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<v Speaker 1>happen as a race car track thing. I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>just what that guy was doing that day. Had like

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<v Speaker 1>the tuft of Drew Barrymore's hair that he couldn't stop smelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that that's the man. They weren't looking for him.

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<v Speaker 1>They're looking for Tim Curry Crispin Glover. Honestly couldn't pick

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<v Speaker 1>him up out of a lineup. But he's like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the like minions, hair Minions, hair sniffing minions, a

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<v Speaker 1>new trope when he started when he jumped in the

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<v Speaker 1>race car because I guess he's also Tim Curry's hired

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<v Speaker 1>race car driver, right, and then Cameron Diaz went after him.

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Drew Barry was more straight. It was like, you don't

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>have to chase him. He's in a circle. But it's like, yes,

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>why is this happening. He's not going anywhere, He's just

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.199
<v Speaker 1>practicing for the big race, right. But then they do

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>go off the track into traffic a bridge that looks

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>like it's a bridge in San Francisco, but they're all

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in l A. I don't know what bridge this would

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 1>be and why there's no traffic on it right. Well,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>to your point, Jamie, another thing I really like about

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>this movie, especially as it pertains to like kind of

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the action and the fighting and all that, is that

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>we get to see a woman participate in a chase

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>scene being the driver, and then she plays essentially a

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>game of chicken with this bad guy and she wins,

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and he flipped her over her car unaffected. She does

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>win by basically magic, but she wins. Nonetheless. Yeah, I

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, I guess let's just get out what we like,

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, I want to talk about that there was

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>but it is, I mean, it is cool that it's

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of like baked into the premise that they're all

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>like they're gonna win obviously, and that's like not always,

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>like you know, that's rare for you know, women to

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>get to be in action movies at all, much less

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>be the winners the main characters. I mean, it's right,

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>we can come on one maybe two hands, the action

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>franchises that have women as the protagonists that also like

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>performed super well at the box office, and like this

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.719
<v Speaker 1>is this feels like a sort of like a like

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>weird to revisit step of sort of progress sometimes in

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>some ways. Um. But the other thing that I liked

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>because I was worried at the end where they're all

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>fighting in the climactic battle sequence where there's too many

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>fights to keep track of and I can't tell a

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of like Crispin Glover and Sam Rockwell, I honestly

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was having trouble at some point, like who's um but

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore Dylan. She gets kind of damseled for a

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:58.239
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but then she frees herself and kills them

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>all with a chair, and so like even that they

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>like kind of dodged the damseling one of the heroes

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>at the end, so I thought that was cool too.

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>She also gets a nice cathartic moment where she was

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>wronged and lied to and used by Sam Rockwell sunglasses,

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and then she gets a nice moment of being able

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to beat the ship out of him before he explodes

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>and dies, and yeah, she really does get her revenge.

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>And then she's like, well, back to Tom Green, you know.

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>And then the character who is actually the most damseled

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is Bosley, so that was a nice change of pace.

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>And then then yeah, and he doesn't. And it's like

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it's nice because I feel like that's another like thing

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>that I don't even know how consciously they're doing it,

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like it would have been very easy

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to write that character of like I can't believe I'm

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>being saved by all lady. This is so emasculable. The

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Bill Murray's like, thank you, just like you are clearly

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>more skilled than I am. Please help me. So I

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, all right, that's you know, it's like there

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>are there are like kernels of good stuff going on here,

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and it is fun to watch as fucking confusing and

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>misogynist as and like you know, like current problematic on

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>every single level. It's just there's just so there's so

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>much happening that you can't even when I don't know

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>what's going on, I can't look away, right. Yeah it

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>is fun. Yeah, it just looks it's fun. It's silly.

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of like a ton of explosions, lots

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of lots of like joke e like sexual and nuendo

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>jokes where you know, Cameron Diaz is like, oh, I

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>signed that waiver so you can stick it in my

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>slot anytime, which you know, brings us to some of

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the things that perhaps are not great about this. Okay,

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>we're getting into it. Well, is there anything else that

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>anyone thought was particularly well done? I liked the soundtracktndtrack

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>is fun because there it's a dustin these child songs

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>written for this movie Independent Woman Part one. But also

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>there is a song during the fight scene in the

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>alleyway with the thin man um the lyrics of which

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>are smack my bitch up. And I think that also

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>might be the name of the song. So maybe the

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>thin Man's the bitch. Maybe you know what, I didn't

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>think of that. We'll take it. Yeah, it's a fun song. Though,

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a fun song Okay, So where do we dive in?

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe the beginning where Drew Barrymore's in

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>disguise is LL cool Jack. Yeah, that's let's start at

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the beginning. How do we I definitely didn't remember that,

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't see it coming and was like slack jaw. The

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>way these three characters are introduced, it's like gets progressively worse,

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>where it's like Cameron Diaz is you know, she's in

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>a bikini and like, all right, great, and then Lucy

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Luke gets this comically long. She's like shaking her hair

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>out for take off her helmets, and the whips her

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>hair back and forth, and then you're like, where's Drew

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Barrymore att? And then you're like, no, what. I actually

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 1>did remember this from when I first watched the movie,

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and as is happening, I was like, oh damn, I

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>guess I was okay with it when I first when

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I first saw this, and now I'm like, this is

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 1>really crazy. Yeah. Not only is the L cool j

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a black man, but also an African man with like

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>decinta cloth and then even his parachute is matching his

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>African garb. Everything every inch of fabric on this man

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>was quote unquote African garb and I don't even think

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>he tried to do an accent, because why it's already

0:33:55.560 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he did. Are already disguise. The disguises

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>are just I mean, there's not a good one in

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the bunch that was That was alarming. I'm like what yeah, what, yes,

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>And that's not the last time that Drew Barrymore specifically

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>jeez later in brown brown face. Yes there, so yeah,

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that in a moment. Just to close

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the conversation on the extremely bizarre L cool J mask

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>disguise scenario, The way that reveal happens is that like

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore as LL cool J has like grabbed this

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>guy and they've jumped out of a plane together because

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>he has a bomb strapped to him, this this bad guy,

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and which he just shows He's like where the bomb? Yeah?

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>And then the bad guys like what plane is this?

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Very luxurious couches in the first class. I was like,

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot of first classes and that

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a plane like that. Next level, there's

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>also that racist flight tendant who's like, there's no way

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you could be in first class, just like, thank god,

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess some progress here. They're trying to

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 1>show like, even though this is a white woman inside

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>of a black body, this person still deserves right. That

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>same flight attendant a few minutes earlier was like, it's

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>not the seats that have gotten smaller, it's that your

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>ass has gotten bigger. He's like making fun. He's like

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>fat shaming this woman. Who I guess he's complaining. Yeah,

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like one of the first lines that's spoken in

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the movie. Didn't he get blown up? He never comes back.

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 1>I was like, maybe he'll come back and he'll get

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, blown up. But this bad guy who has

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>a bomb strapped to him, he's like, who are you people?

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 1>You crazy bastard? And then llo cool J takes out

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the voice modifying device and then it's Drew Barrymore's voice

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and she says, I think you mean crazy bitch woman

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.959
<v Speaker 1>woman because he's a woman. She's not a bastard, she's

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a bit. This is like the I mean this like

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>movie totally and we've talked about this on the show before,

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>but just like that very bizarre late nineties early two thousands,

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>like catchphrase based feminism that is based in nothing. It

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>stands for nothing, and it's so jarring to see now,

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>like actually, I'm a crazy bitch. And then she takes

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>off La cool J's face Space You're this is also

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 1>this is I used to one of my favorite movies,

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>troublingly used to be the Master of Disguise, Dana Carvey

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Vehicle two thousand two, his last starring vehicle, and that

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>is like the rubber face masks of celebrities thing was

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>just like a very strong trend during this the first

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Bush administration. It was just scary free open season. Then

0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>a few scenes after this, we have the massa j

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>parlor scene where Lucy lou is massaging Tim Curry. Hate that,

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>don't like it. And then Drew and Cameron come in

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and the way they are dressed and the music que

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>that happens when they show up is like just like

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 1>full blown Japanese culture appropriation. And there's also a song

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>that happens after the music que, the lyrics of which

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>are turning I think I'm turning Japanese, which not to

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>not to like ring a dang a little bell on anyone.

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>But Kirsten Dunced weirdly did a cover of that horrible

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>song like it was like Tenure, but it's still that

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>song has a weird, troubled legacy of being sung by

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>white people constantly that yeah, that's the and this is Jamie,

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>as you pointed out, not the only time that these

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>white women, Cameron and Drew Um dress in a very

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>appropriative garb. Because in a later scene, Lucy and Cameron

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>are like belly dancing in a scene that's appropriating Indian culture,

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and then no one in the scene is Indian. And

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>then Drew Barrymore in brown face walks into the scene

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 1>picks up a bottle with the dude's fingerprints on it.

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Why why it was her face actually brown or she

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>has brown makeup? It's only her. It's it's very busy

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 1>like and I think it is like also telling that

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>no one talked about it or cared when this movie

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>came out, that there's just like Drew Barrymore, very famous actor,

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>producer of the movie, in full on brown face for

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>a whole scene and just everyone's like, yep, I think

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>they probably have like a board of like what environments

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>can these girls look hot? And then they went backwards

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 1>from there, right, they were verse engineered it from there

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>because like, yeah, when they showed up to one of

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the scientists house, who those guys they had access to

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the vault or something, so they're like, we're now a

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>yodeling telegram and we'll say yodels to this guy to

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>get his eyeballs information. It did seem like, yeah, like

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>it was all a ploy to get them into different

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>like revealing outfits with no consideration given to like the

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 1>culture they were absolutely because it was like that's the

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>only way you can get this information. You can't like, yeah,

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>astronaut German Diaz is a jeopardy genius. Like they're smart

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>or at least that's how we don't see that the

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>ways that they're like getting information or advancing this story

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and their mission is truly like d activating men by

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>their looks. Yes, it's appropriating other cultures in an extremely

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 1>racist way most of the time. And or it is seduction.

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 1>So the seduction thing. Yeah, And I mean even the

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 1>fact that like Lucy lu I think is like written

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>into that massage parlor scene in the first place is

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>very lazy and telling, like it's a movie written by

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>three white guys and it's super shows perfect, right. The

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>crazy parlors. Yeah, like, let's do the laziest thing we

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>can think of, and then it's not it's not good.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 1>It's more on the seduction aspect of the you know,

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>attempts to get what they want. Where to begin, there's

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot, Yes, it's all of them. And we have

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about this a lot on the podcast, where on

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 1>one hand, if women can use their sexuality to get

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>things that they want, particularly from straight men, great because

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, the way the world was set up,

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty much one of the only tools women

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>had that they're just bosal to get results. On the

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>other hand, uh, this movie had the opportunity to show

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>women doing other things and using other tactics besides their

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 1>sexuality to get what they want, like their brains and

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>their fighting skills and things like that, their ability to

0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>fly into space, super genius powers, and we see a

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit of it throughout the movie. But I was

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 1>truly shocked by how often they use their sexuality to

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>get what they want, because it's which does seem like

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>it from what I know of it. That's also like

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 1>a staple of the Teacher Show that this movie just

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 1>elects to not update in any way. And possibly make worse. Yeah,

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.959
<v Speaker 1>like that that whole It's bizarre because we are given

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like these kind of cool facts about these very underwritten characters,

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and then instead of ever finding out, like, for example,

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>why they work for Charlie, will qualifies them to work

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.479
<v Speaker 1>for Charlie? How did they get huch with Charlie? Here's

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Bill Murray fit into all of this? Like what exactly

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>are their job qualifications? And like, but they just derail

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the plot of the movie regularly to just show a

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>series of dates that they're on, Like every twenty minutes

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 1>you just see all three of them on a date. Ye.

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's also like if they're working, they

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have time for that, right, I have time to

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>be going on a date or making dinner for their

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>man or whatever is Yeah, like making dinner for matt

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>LeBlanc between scenes, Like what they It's like, that's the

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>identity you chose? This is our secret identity is being

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a bikini actor girlfriend to a actor actor and she

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>lives on set with him in a trailer and she's

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>sucking genius. So like, why I'm glad you brought all

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>this up because the movie for some reason sets aside

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>time for all three of the Angels to have a

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>romantic storyline. I think I know the s um Well.

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>It might interest you to know that when this movie

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>was originally pitched, apparently there were no romantic subplots, but

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore, one of the producers of the film, decided

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.359
<v Speaker 1>that she wanted to include love interests for all three

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of the angels um and that they were added so

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 1>that the women watching this movie could live vicariously through

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 1>these characters who were having it all. You underestimated us. Yeah,

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I can only understand these kick ask women if they're

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>having boy problems. I'm having boy problems. So if they're

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>not having boy problems, who are they? That's such a

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that's such a bummer. I mean, I would imagine Drew

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 1>feels differently these days. That's always such a bummer to

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.359
<v Speaker 1>hear where you're like, it wasn't even make g who

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 1>insisted not like it's so easy to throw make under

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the bus. Now, I'll play Devil's advocate for just a moment.

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>In in that when we see female protagonists in movies

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>with demanding jobs like the ones that the Angels have,

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 1>we often see like they're romantic and personal lives suffering

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>as a result. So the fact that they do have,

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not saying I'm for it, but the fact

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 1>that we see them on screen, I guess having it all,

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 1>but like it bugged me. Yes, but I was also like, okay,

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 1>it's two thousand, Well that's I get what you're saying.

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 1>And also it is also nice to see that it's

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>not interfering with their work, because I don't other than

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the like the same Rockwell relationship thing, but that they're

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>still able to have a personal life right and be

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.399
<v Speaker 1>really good at their jobs at the same time. Yes,

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it is three hetero romances that for

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the most part don't have anything to do with the

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 1>main storyline except for the Sam Rockwell Drew Barrymore one. Yes,

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>it's perhaps not the best writing. It's really guys, it's

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 1>really bad writing. I was like, now, hold on, it

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 1>is very poorly. I wouldn't be as annoyed at the

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>constant derailing to go see Matt LeBlanc on yet another

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>day with his girlfriend he knows nothing about if we

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 1>knew anything about Lucy Lu's character, but I guess just

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you don't know anything about And then it's so like

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>so lazy where it's like, yeah, technically we see them

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>do stuff, but it's like in montage where you're like, oh,

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I guess Cameron Diaz knows how to clone people. Oh

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was just on Jeopardy, But I guess

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 1>she knows how to clone people. And they're just oh, yeah,

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 1>she clones a hand or something, or like three D

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 1>printers of hand, three D prints a man's hand four

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 1>or three D printers were even invent right, she's again

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.439
<v Speaker 1>ahead of the curve, and then it's just like cut

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>to a scene of her being like how do I

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 1>call Luke Wilson? You're like, come on, man, I was

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>so like, I so much time used to see, like

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>is she going to fund this waiter? Like yeah, their

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>choices and men are also like I mean Tom Green

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.479
<v Speaker 1>special time. I mean again, maybe he's a nice person.

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's a great guy. I don't know. He won

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.760
<v Speaker 1>an award for this movie, but it was for worst

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:23.799
<v Speaker 1>person in a movie that's very funny. Well it was bad.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>It was clearly like, oh, they're fucking so that's why

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 1>he's in this movie. They met on set. Yeah, Oh

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was in the movie, Like as a favor,

0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Like she was like, we can't do this with my boyfriend.

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.439
<v Speaker 1>And I thought it was like how Carson and Tara did,

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Like how Carson Daly's and Josie and the Puss. Yeah, no,

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>it's they met on this set. Open then why was

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that scene even there? He was so weird so long

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 1>because they were like, he's a comedian, let him impervise.

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>But it was like he just fell into the water.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 1>He just and then and then when he comes back,

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was extremely unrape came back. I

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, how dare this? And then it's implied like

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna end up together. You're like, boat guys, you're

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna end up with this guy? Okay? Like I found

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the romantic supplets to be like very frustrating because there's

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>like the ingredients to so much cool stuff and it's

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:23.800
<v Speaker 1>just constantly just distraction from Definitely it's hard enough to

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>understand what's going on. And then I was like, is

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Luke Wilson involved? No, he's just taking up room. In

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>this take. He takes her to a Soul Train show,

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 1>where there's another weird racially charged scene where Cameron Diaz

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 1>is dancing to baby got back. The rest of the

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>crowd is predominantly black, and they're just like all staring

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>at her, being like, what the fuck is this white

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 1>girl doing? And then they, like for no reason at all,

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 1>start to like get on board with what never minding,

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and then she like wins the crowd over, and it's like,

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>what are you trying to say with this? What's happened?

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I get it. It's white women can in racism by

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>shaking their ass. Yes, that's correct, we can all be

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>brought together the enthusiasm of a of a blonde white woman.

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>There's I'm like, who insisted on that scene being there?

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 1>I just that was so unnecess They kind of gone

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>to dinner. Yeah, that that well, it is like all

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the dates except for the Sam Rockwell dates. Nothing, there's

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>no Well, that's I guess a payoff of a scene

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that's planted earlier where Cameron Diaz has a dream that

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:42.479
<v Speaker 1>she's like dancing and then she wakes up and she okay,

0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 1>So there's a minister reason to have Cameron Diaz without

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 1>pants at the beginning. Absolutely none of it is justified,

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's all horribly written, but this is the movie's

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 1>justification why it's in But yeah, I mean I think

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that speaks a lot to again, these these characters being

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>so under written because we the things we do know

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>about them are like usually told in montage like you mentioned,

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and or they're just inconsistent and weird and don't pay

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 1>off in any meaningful way. I still don't have a

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 1>grasp on like what each of their specialty is. Like

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I think Cameron Diaz seems to be the one who

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like drives. If there's a driving thing, she's the driver flips,

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>but then she she flips, but then she also sometimes

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 1>like does some like tech photo enhancement stuff, and then

0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>she's a computer. But Lucy lou also does a bunch

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>of that too, and then she also does some like

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 1>bomb wire. She's really good at wires. That's like, I

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>almost that almost made sense to me because I'm like, oh,

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 1>because space technology, because space, because she's engineering things could

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:58.880
<v Speaker 1>be and then space and horses. Oh. Also back to

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Lucy lew and Mala long relationship. Even Matt la Blanc

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.879
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to know more information about her because when

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>she was like, look, I'm not who I say I am.

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not actually a bikini wax there and he's like, oh, bummer,

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought I thought that was pretty hot. And then

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and then and she's she's like, now I have to go.

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 1>And then there's no follow up questions. He's not like

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>where are you going? He's like, oh, I guess you're

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 1>going to Charlie. So it's also like he knew about

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Charlie the whole time, but didn't know who he was.

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you think Charlie was managing the I think so

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.879
<v Speaker 1>she's like, important bikini wax business. I gotta go meet

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>up with Charlie. He's like, okay. He also thinks like

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.360
<v Speaker 1>he also gets weirdly threatened at the beginning. She's like, Charlie,

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a chip, right, that's a chip. And then she's

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, You're like what you're This is

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.919
<v Speaker 1>not a good relationship for either of you. This is bad.

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.040
<v Speaker 1>There there's just so much and like Lucy Lou like

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 1>she like neggs herself in the first like it's just

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the way they're written is bananas, Like the the she

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 1>negs herself in the opening scene because she accidentally slips

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 1>up and says something smart in front of matt le

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Blanc was like did you know that? And she was like,

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy what you can learn on the internet, and

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>then he sounds like, I'm smarter have any information about

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 1>my backstory at all. And he's relieved by that reveal,

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, okay, cool, kiss kiss Oh can I okay?

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>These are I'm just my notes are chaotic for this one.

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>The like the movie the scene where okay, so this

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>is a scene with Sam rock Ball and not Crispin Glover.

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know it's the it's the date that Dylan

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:41.319
<v Speaker 1>goes on where they talk about her daddy issues that. Okay,

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:45.240
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense, so that was um, so what happens

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 1>in this scene it's one of the date scenes, but

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the twist is it has bearing on the plot. Um.

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 1>What happens is they're like on a date and then

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>he asks her, shockingly a little about herself and she says, well,

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>my mom died when I was young. I never met

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>my dad. And then he immediately was like, oh, so

0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that's probably why you work for an old man that

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you've never seen, which is so aggressive, and she doesn't

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't react to it at all, and then he knocks

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 1>over a scrabble board and she's like, wow, this guy

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>is cool. Then she tries to leave and she's like,

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I have to go. I have to go work for

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 1>my Like he just is like, oh, daddy issues. Awesome,

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>let's cook up. Like he confirms she has daddy issues

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 1>and then is like cool, clear for landing for Sam Rockwell,

0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>but then she has to go and then he kind

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 1>of like baby, it's cold outsides her and it's like, wait,

0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:41.439
<v Speaker 1>what about the shaking bag? Shaking bag product placement? God

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 1>knows how much money they spent in that. I hope

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that like there because he's like, oh, we got to

0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.880
<v Speaker 1>make the shaking bag, and then she's like, what if

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 1>we just did shake? But don't forget He suggests that

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>she is the one who does the baking because women

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>be bacon bacan. They had to get every everything in

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:07.399
<v Speaker 1>in this. It was so I wonder if Shaken Big

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:10.319
<v Speaker 1>had to pay more because they end up sucking as

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:15.319
<v Speaker 1>a result of the product. This, this product will make

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you fuck commercial. We've got to take a quick break,

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>but we'll be back for more discussion. Hi, Charlie. Speaking

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of Charlie, just a little bit more about him. The

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Angels relationship with Charlie. Like they've never met him, He's

0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 1>always watching them, and yeah, it's like this weird, voyeuristic

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.359
<v Speaker 1>god like like I'm going to control you. You're never

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 1>allowed to meet me. We can only communicate through this

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>other man who's a liaison between us, who will also

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.319
<v Speaker 1>treat you weird, yes, who will treat you Because they're

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 1>all cuddling in that first on his shoulder like he's

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 1>like lady drawing on them, putting his hands on their

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 1>knees and stuff like that. Also not a good look

0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 1>for Bill Murray, who already has um. I mean, just

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:22.319
<v Speaker 1>look up his domestic abuse record. I don't know. I'm

0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:23.800
<v Speaker 1>not a fan. I also just think he should not

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 1>go to people's weddings and he's a fucking weirdo. But

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 1>that's just me. You weren't invited, don't go my favorite thing.

0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:36.320
<v Speaker 1>He's making it better disruptive, get out. I paid a

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of money for each guest to be here, and

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, this is my day, and then dare

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you I'm the Bill Murray of my wedding. But anyway,

0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 1>these characters are written to be obsessed with Charlie, like

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they're in what the dynamic of this relationship. It feels

0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:01.320
<v Speaker 1>like vaguely gas light e border lines. I don't know.

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Something was very weird about this dynamic. But they're like,

0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.800
<v Speaker 1>we love you, Charlie, You're the best. Charlie's like you

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.320
<v Speaker 1>don't even know him. That's one of the qualifications that

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 1>why they were chosen. They all have daddy issues. We

0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:18.839
<v Speaker 1>learn about Trus it's so the daddy issues, Like it's

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.800
<v Speaker 1>so annoying and I like. But the thing that I

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 1>think makes me like that was the like weirdest or

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 1>felt the weirdest is like, yes, Charlie is like this old,

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 1>mysterious guy who's addicted to controlling young hot women. He

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 1>has framed photos of them in his home. Feeling very

0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 1>safe about all of this. But the fact that they

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:42.439
<v Speaker 1>don't question it at all, and they like just don't

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>like they don't they're just horny. They're just like a low,

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 1>simmering horny. For the predicament, it seems like of like

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, which I know is a carryover from

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, but it's just I don't know. Anytime they're like,

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:57.759
<v Speaker 1>well that's what the show is, like, it's like, well,

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 1>it's an adaptation. You can do stuff. Well that show

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:06.919
<v Speaker 1>was damaging, and uh, yeah, you can update stuff. Yeah,

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the show was was I think often criticized for being

0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:17.760
<v Speaker 1>jiggle TV, which was basically just emphasizing the sex appeal

0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of the female leads, which is like a reason for

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>them to like run. It's like Baywatch is a later

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:28.800
<v Speaker 1>version of it, which is not an issue that's corrected

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>in this movie at all. There's, like I mean, in

0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 1>the in the the weird soul train scene, there's a

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:38.879
<v Speaker 1>ton of slow mo Cameron Diaz, I made a list

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 1>of all of the extremely unnecessary, usually male gaze shots

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning. We already talked about this little bit,

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.680
<v Speaker 1>but Lucy Lou taking off her helmet and whipping her

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>hair around in slow motion, and then another completely random

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and unnecessary shot a few moments later where she takes

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 1>off a fencing helmet in one of the flashbacks and

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 1>whips her hair around again, and then later she tells

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Diaz to do it. She's like, whip your god

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.320
<v Speaker 1>her hair, which is another time they interrupt the scene

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 1>to flirt. Is so annoying, like Wilson, get you out

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>your work. This one we already touched on as well,

0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:22.720
<v Speaker 1>But Cameron Diaz dancing around in her underwear in her

0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 1>house and then opening up the door for a package

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>delivery in her underwear chaotic, stupid, Yeah, and then saying

0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>you can feel free to stick things in my slot

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's supposed to be, you know, a hilarious joke.

0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 1>And then she runs into her own door, yes, and

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 1>is unaware of the where her house is in relation

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>to where she's standing. Yes, basical awareness goes all out

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the door because of the cups man, which would make

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:59.640
<v Speaker 1>her probably a bad spy fighter person. But she's really

0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, flip do backflips and not just

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the floor for a two point five seconds or whatever

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:09.439
<v Speaker 1>it is and go into that vault. Why why can't

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:14.000
<v Speaker 1>she walk into her house? But with these it's just

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 1>they try to get, especially Cameron Diaz, naked as much

0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:23.400
<v Speaker 1>as possible, as early as possible. Although there's that scene

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>where like Drew Barrymore is like needlessly naked as she's

0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>like dangling from Yeah, and then she like walks into

0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>that house with those little boys. I hate scenes like

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 1>that where they're like, oh, now the kids are horny

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:43.120
<v Speaker 1>too interesting. You're like, no, I don't. I think it's

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:47.360
<v Speaker 1>it's also like still people are like little boys seeing

0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>adult women bodies is funny and not traumatic. They're like, oh,

0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that's like a hilarious boys would love that, as opposed

0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 1>to like this is actually maybe going to affect them

0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 1>they're older. Good grief. Here's a few more on my list.

0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 1>J yeah, jiggle TV baby um. The shot of Lucy

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:11.160
<v Speaker 1>lose Ass as she crawls Overdrew in the car to

0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:14.400
<v Speaker 1>fix the intercom at the drive through. Yeah, there's a

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>shot of Lucy lose Ass again in a leather skirt.

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Sound effect on that is sick. She's like, skirt. It

0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:26.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, this isn't even like achieving the intended effect.

0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Which so that brings me to the list of all

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the times where the Angels use seduction as a technique

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to get what they want, which again I feel it's

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 1>every two seconds, far too often, and it's always like

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 1>immediately after they've just done something that you're like, oh

0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty cool, Like it was right after that

0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:48.280
<v Speaker 1>huge fight scene where you're like, wow, this is awesome,

0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and then it's a dating seduction montage right right right,

0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Because there's a one where Lucy Lou pretends to be

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:59.800
<v Speaker 1>an efficiency expert. She's dressed as a dominatrixes with the

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.040
<v Speaker 1>with a whip, and then she comes in and smacks

1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.960
<v Speaker 1>her whip around and it makes all the computer programmer

1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.600
<v Speaker 1>dudes all horny, and then she like plays kind of

1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a dits at the end of that scene where she's like,

1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:15.360
<v Speaker 1>can anyone like show me what you're talking about? And

1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:23.360
<v Speaker 1>then that leaves Drew and Cameron who are dressed as

1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 1>men in this scene, which like that worked for me, okay,

1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:32.000
<v Speaker 1>but then they then that's when Cameron diaz Um you know,

1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:36.000
<v Speaker 1>gets shrubs completely, yeah, right, and you know, flips around

1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:38.040
<v Speaker 1>in the vault, which is also funny because they're like,

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:40.240
<v Speaker 1>she needs to be invisible, and she puts on this

1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 1>white suit, but you can still see her eyes and

1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 1>her like the flesh on her face, and she eyes

1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the camera, looks directly in the camera the one part

1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:52.480
<v Speaker 1>of skin that is on her that you can see. Look,

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>what's that right in the lens of the camera, And

1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:58.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like, Hi, god, dude, dude, did it just keeps

1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 1>going at the feast the whole purpose of what you

1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:03.640
<v Speaker 1>were doing. So whoever watched it gonna be like I

1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 1>see floating eyes, I guess. And then the vault opened

1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:11.880
<v Speaker 1>by itself, we should probably investigate. So bizarre. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's the scene where Drew Barrymore's character distracts the man

1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:20.280
<v Speaker 1>who's in Corwin's car while Lucy breaks into the trunk.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, but she's like in a fully unzipped race

1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:27.320
<v Speaker 1>car suit and she's like, she's like, oh my god,

1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what what you went to like police academy

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<v Speaker 1>or something kind of. I don't know if she also

1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:40.520
<v Speaker 1>licked the steering wheel, which is so nasty because that's

1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:43.200
<v Speaker 1>like so many hand germs. He's probably not the only

1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:45.640
<v Speaker 1>driver of that car, probably not, didn't seem like a

1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:51.600
<v Speaker 1>clean man. It's just like steering wheel. I was like,

1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:56.560
<v Speaker 1>bye bye, so weird. Yeah, And then the costuming also

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<v Speaker 1>so like they are private investigator detective spot. I don't

1:02:02.320 --> 1:02:05.760
<v Speaker 1>even know what their role is exactly, but they're doing

1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like covert operations. They are like fighting

1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and flipping around a lot, and yet they're in outfits

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<v Speaker 1>most of the time where almost their entire chants exposed,

1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's like if you do one flip, your tips

1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:24.040
<v Speaker 1>are out there, slow out and they're even when they

1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:26.800
<v Speaker 1>were like scuba diving, where they were like swimming up

1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:30.120
<v Speaker 1>to whatever the island was where Sam Rockwell had Bosley

1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Like Cameron Diaz scuba gear was like open to her

1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.800
<v Speaker 1>mom's pupis Like it was so open, and I was like,

1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:39.800
<v Speaker 1>how did I keep you that? The name is inefficient?

1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Same thing when she's undercover as a waitress and every

1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:46.040
<v Speaker 1>other like every other person working there is wearing a

1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:48.880
<v Speaker 1>normal outfit and she's got again all the way like

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<v Speaker 1>down and and then she's like ha ha, like I'm

1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:58.280
<v Speaker 1>really blending in, but you're not. You look foolish. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, if you want to expose your skin,

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<v Speaker 1>embrace your sexuality, beautiful, we're all for that. But to

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<v Speaker 1>do that when you're also trying to like accomplish us

1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:14.280
<v Speaker 1>covert spy mission and you're fighting a bunch and your

1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:17.120
<v Speaker 1>boobs are going to get in the way doesn't track.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to a movie where whatever woman is

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<v Speaker 1>in charge is like, oh, I'm about to fight. Let

1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.560
<v Speaker 1>me get my ponytail holder out, put my hair back,

1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:29.040
<v Speaker 1>getting out my face, because to take these heels off,

1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:31.920
<v Speaker 1>because that's not gonna make me run faster but my

1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:36.240
<v Speaker 1>clothes but not mine. But yeah, let me get fight mode,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to like, let me be the sexiest thing

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<v Speaker 1>ever and then get to it second hair whipping sequence

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<v Speaker 1>just exhausting. Was there was there more? Um, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've already covered everything else in terms of the like

1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:55.440
<v Speaker 1>male Gaze seduction, there was There was one line that

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore has been she it's been Sam rockwell first betrays,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also a very funny scene to me because

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<v Speaker 1>I think that maybe at some point in the production

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<v Speaker 1>or writing process they realized that maybe the movie was

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<v Speaker 1>really confusing, because there's that whole shot where the camera

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<v Speaker 1>is circling Drew Barrymore and she's basically like explaining what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened for the past and she's like, so that

1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:20.280
<v Speaker 1>person wasn't who I thought it was, was it? And

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Rock was like no, and she's like, and I

1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.080
<v Speaker 1>guess that other person wasn't who I thought they were.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like no, and she's like, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>would deduce that you are also not who I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you were and he's like no. Camera makes like three

1:04:36.160 --> 1:04:40.840
<v Speaker 1>full revolutions around her. But in that scene she is

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<v Speaker 1>on a quote unquote date with him, but then she

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<v Speaker 1>like makes this bizarre joke about She's like, well, I'm

1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a full service pert, like implying that anytime she's a spy,

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<v Speaker 1>she's also having sex with the people she's spying on.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a weird joke. Uh, can we talk about Vivian.

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<v Speaker 1>I have mixed feelings on Vivian. I, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of expecting Vivian to just kind of be

1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:10.840
<v Speaker 1>left there, to just kind of not do anything. I

1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:13.240
<v Speaker 1>like that she at least turned out to be relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure a plot, but she is also I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>seduction trope is alive, and while she has a Rufie's

1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:25.680
<v Speaker 1>bill murray um, which is very villainous. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know it was. I'm still I think I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>like still confused. But I don't know exactly what she wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm glad she turned out to be important. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>her motivations were not clear, but depending on the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>I usually appreciate a female villain. You know, her character

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<v Speaker 1>was not necessarily well developed, but but nor was anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't singled out. She was Sam's business partner and

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<v Speaker 1>also love her or girlfriend or wife, kept being like mean,

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<v Speaker 1>kept being like my lady or my girl in references,

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<v Speaker 1>Vivian to find the relationship is the relationship, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he kissed her on the neck, but then she also

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<v Speaker 1>fully let him fux somebody else, so they're both and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't they chose not to define it for the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it doesn't need a definition. Yeah, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>where just being normal. Do you think then maybe so

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<v Speaker 1>this is me kind of thinking through this in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think Drew Barrymore's character is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like subtly or like inadvertently slut shamed because she does

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with a villain, and then that puts her

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<v Speaker 1>in a position where she's like, oops, I didn't notice

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the bad guy because I was too

1:06:41.880 --> 1:06:47.600
<v Speaker 1>busy like sucking. The villain's definitely slept shame her like you,

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<v Speaker 1>silly girl. I knew what happened, of course, And he's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, at least you were a good lay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to kill your friends and your daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I still understand how Drew Barrymore didn't die when

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<v Speaker 1>he shot her in the head about whatever. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't in the head. They went reversed and went

1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:07.880
<v Speaker 1>to Salomo. She fell backwards and then the bullet missed

1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:12.280
<v Speaker 1>her head hit the window behind her and then she

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<v Speaker 1>got naked, and she got naked for the children. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I did look like a hit her in that, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're supposed to think. But she, Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>like choreographed it so that she because she wanted them

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<v Speaker 1>to think that she was hit by the bullet complex. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was orchestrating this whole thing. But and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that like kind of the villains definitely sledge Chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems like kind of like the story does too,

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<v Speaker 1>because they make her out to be like, oh, she's

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<v Speaker 1>like the more sexually open. I don't know how to

1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:52.320
<v Speaker 1>correctly phrase it, but like they make her out to

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<v Speaker 1>be silly for being sexually active, and then they punish

1:07:56.720 --> 1:08:00.360
<v Speaker 1>her in the story, like for having sex. The direct

1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:04.360
<v Speaker 1>consequence of her having sex is that she almost gets

1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.360
<v Speaker 1>shot in the head and all of her friends almost die.

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<v Speaker 1>She does like, well she is she does get to

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<v Speaker 1>redeem herself though she does. Yes, so yeah, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the movie doesn't really know how uh it

1:08:17.760 --> 1:08:21.360
<v Speaker 1>feels about it. But then she she also it's implied

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<v Speaker 1>that she has sex with Tom Green at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie. Yes, so why why do they talk?

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<v Speaker 1>Why they have a conversation that boat. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I guess I like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose that she is framed as being as having

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<v Speaker 1>multiple sexual partners, and the movie I think punishes her

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<v Speaker 1>to some degree. But like, at least her friends are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you silly, look what you got us into or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So they're all actively encouraging each other to

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<v Speaker 1>have as much sex as possible. Like, stop what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>keep flirting, stop them. You know, we're in the middle

1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:10.120
<v Speaker 1>of the mission right now, but go and try to

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<v Speaker 1>fuck Luke Wilson. And she's like, I'm nervous, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>And Lucy lives like fuck him now, like flip your hair, dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a strange movie this is. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to bring to everyone's attention, um that Lucy Lou was

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<v Speaker 1>paid millions less than her white co stars were both movies. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the exact numbers for the first movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the sequel, Full Throttle, Cameron Diaz was paid

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million dollars, Lucy Lou paid only four million. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know it was that. Yes, Oh, that's so

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<v Speaker 1>sad and if you're putting performances next to performances, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's terrible. Lucy Lose amazing. Yes, so there's some you know,

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<v Speaker 1>standard Hollywood racism for you. In addition to the very

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<v Speaker 1>weird ways in which she's like narrative handles um race,

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<v Speaker 1>also behind the scenes, it's also handled horribly. Oh Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>that I well, I guess I wanted to before we

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<v Speaker 1>before we crop up. I guess I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take the tap of like is it necessary to? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm in the grand sense, like cool, Elizabeth Banks

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<v Speaker 1>is directing a movie. It's got a diverse cast, Like

1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that's exciting, that's cool, But what story I want this again?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a way? I guess it's just this seems

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the franchises, and I feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>like most reboots where they're like, I know that women

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<v Speaker 1>were done a wild dist service by this franchise multiple times,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to give it another shot. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>think of an example of that ever going particularly well.

1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.519
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know. I think it's just like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's frustrating. I wonder if studios and Dubiz are afraid

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<v Speaker 1>people won't see female lead action movies if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>already a thing we are familiar with, like if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not already attached to a superhero franchise or a reboot

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<v Speaker 1>of something. I mean, some things have done really well,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the things that I'm thinking, like recently are

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<v Speaker 1>like Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel Um, like, these are things

1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that already female those busters. Yeah, exactly. So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a thing that's like it's its own thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Charlie's thron one that came out what was

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<v Speaker 1>it called again? That one? No? No, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>more recent one, yeah, where she's like fighting everybody and

1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:59.519
<v Speaker 1>she has like that lad of blond hairs Coolie yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which I watched and is also very confusing. But the

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<v Speaker 1>action action is fucking killer. It is great. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they did that well. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it did. And that's like Charlie's Theron and her peak,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And so I feel like there are probably

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<v Speaker 1>people who are like, I mean, we could try, but

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't make money. Here's the yes, right, here's my

1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:22.680
<v Speaker 1>theory on all of this. And this is something a

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<v Speaker 1>trend that we've noticed on the podcast is that the

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<v Speaker 1>trajectory usually goes from there being no representation to an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at representation, which is usually bad uh and not

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<v Speaker 1>nuanced at all, and then as years progress, better more

1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.960
<v Speaker 1>nuanced representation. I think the same thing applies to just

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<v Speaker 1>like stories overall, where like for the longest time, women

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to be at the helm of action franchises,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they did get to be there, and Kenny

1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Valley like this movie yeah, or like tomb Raider, which

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about and when, which is like the same

1:13:03.040 --> 1:13:10.680
<v Speaker 1>era sexualized woman the movie um, and then right uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then down the road we are getting Slash, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably get more nuanced like original action franchises starring women.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we're still in the stage of like

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<v Speaker 1>we're not used to blonde women are allowed to direct.

1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Now when I've taken away from recent years is now

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we can have several blonde directors working at

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<v Speaker 1>any given time as long as they were already famous

1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:40.880
<v Speaker 1>when they direct, and eventually brunettes then we'll have people

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<v Speaker 1>of color. And jeez, I hate I hate that that

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<v Speaker 1>probably tracks it's it is weird. I hope the movie

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<v Speaker 1>is good. I'm glad it exists. It does already though

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's like strikes me as feeling like a weird

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<v Speaker 1>Like a couple of years from now, people will be like, oh, yeah,

1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess that that was just like a little shove

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<v Speaker 1>in the right direction. But I hope that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, I feel like it just like is

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<v Speaker 1>going to take one of those out of nowhere breakout

1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:12.800
<v Speaker 1>movies that is like, oh, you can tell an original

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<v Speaker 1>story starring a diverse cast of women. That isn't like

1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:19.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like movies that are rebooted like this feel so

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<v Speaker 1>genetically engineered to do well that they kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>even when the people in front and in back of

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<v Speaker 1>the camera are very talented, it just feels like it

1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:33.840
<v Speaker 1>feels like a science experiment. It does, But I think

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<v Speaker 1>we need a few of those that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be box office hits to show Mr. Hollywood that, yes,

1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:45.920
<v Speaker 1>people will Mr Charlie, Charlie himself, can we make a

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<v Speaker 1>movie like I don't know, how did the reboot to

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<v Speaker 1>show that like women female lead action franchises can be

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<v Speaker 1>box office successes, that women can direct those and still

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<v Speaker 1>be box office successes. So we're still in this stage

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<v Speaker 1>of like we on the battel cast or like yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're you know, let's move on. But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>general movie gong population isn't quite I know. I I

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<v Speaker 1>mean even the fact that we that it's like we

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<v Speaker 1>have to explain like this math problem about like when

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to have a really good movie is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem likely we'll have a very good movie

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<v Speaker 1>for at least ten years because men aren't ready, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, I mean, yeah, I I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>is I feel weirdly like weary of it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also yeah, but also just for the sake of a

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<v Speaker 1>good movie, I want to see someday, I hope it

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<v Speaker 1>does well. Same and I think it'll be far more

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<v Speaker 1>feminist than what you would think would be more of

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<v Speaker 1>a feminist text in this two thousand Charlie's Angels. It

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<v Speaker 1>is still quite regressive, as we have pointed out for

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<v Speaker 1>many reasons, but there are some like moments of like

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand's feminism black and catchphrases written the movie, such

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<v Speaker 1>as there's way it kind of I guess please never

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<v Speaker 1>send a man to do a woman's job. Vivian Wood

1:16:13.160 --> 1:16:15.800
<v Speaker 1>says that yeah, you're like whoa. There's a moment at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning where Drew Barrymore is like, well, if he

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<v Speaker 1>is threatened by a strong woman, then you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>with him, and then they talk for another five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>about like but how could I be with him? How

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<v Speaker 1>can I make this week? There's Those were the two

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<v Speaker 1>that I had, plus um Lucy Lou talking to Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Curry being like, my hands aren't going anywhere near your staff.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she also keeps rejecting this man at Corwin's party,

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<v Speaker 1>being like no, no, no, and it's like we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be like whoa feminist dich And then you have

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<v Speaker 1>one of those weird flippy moments where Vivian when she's

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<v Speaker 1>heading on Bill Murray, whose character I other than the

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<v Speaker 1>weird like my girls they're like vibe you get at

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<v Speaker 1>the top where you're just like but his character was

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<v Speaker 1>generally like pretty chilly like it was in fact I

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<v Speaker 1>would call him mostly a dufus yeah, like he was

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<v Speaker 1>more like he wasn't like a lecherous character. But then

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<v Speaker 1>when Vivian comes in, she's like she kind of comes

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<v Speaker 1>in like fuck consent, like she just like call like

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<v Speaker 1>and then he's like, I don't know about this. We're coworkers,

1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and she's like fucky and you're like, whoa that. He

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<v Speaker 1>also doesn't tell her to leave. He starts a fire

1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.360
<v Speaker 1>and pours wine. It's like, we shouldn't be doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>but do you want wine by the fire? Yeah? That's

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<v Speaker 1>like so much like so much of this era of movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's constantly it's just like the way people interact is

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<v Speaker 1>so uncanny Valley and not. I mean it's a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also like there's no criticism put on the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that are like constantly aw going Charlie's Angels because

1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:53.200
<v Speaker 1>they're framed and their characters are written so that it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like that's what they want, like they want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a stared at because and there's and and then

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<v Speaker 1>also that like thing that the worst kind of guy

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<v Speaker 1>will bring up of like assuming that a woman's sexuality

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<v Speaker 1>is some sort of plot against them. This movie plays

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<v Speaker 1>to those stereotypes hard, like, well, if she seems attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to you, she's gonna kill you, like you steal your money. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, this is all to say that I think

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<v Speaker 1>this reboot of Charlie's Angels it's coming out just based

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<v Speaker 1>on the more diverse cast alone, I think will hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>be a more like inclusive, intersectional text than what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen so far. Yeah, it seems like it will be.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like that's like a priority, which is great. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think a lot of people will see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'll you know do My guess is that

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<v Speaker 1>it will do fairly well at the box office. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>hoping we'll I'll go, I'll see it twice. Um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those were all my thoughts. Does anyone have any other

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<v Speaker 1>final thoughts about the movie? Oh? Did you know they

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<v Speaker 1>were in a band, the Angels during the credits? Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all playing in a band together, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why. They just were dressed like green Day

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<v Speaker 1>maybe and oh yeah there what song? Honestly shut it

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<v Speaker 1>off this second the movie, and that I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened during the credit. Yeah, I got some some

1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Josie and the Pussycats vibe, some produ typical because that

1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:40.040
<v Speaker 1>was after right, Yeah, that was well, but the I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the comic book who knows what came first will

1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:45.720
<v Speaker 1>never find out. Oh yeah, yeah they're in a band,

1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>so good for them for that. The women in rock

1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and roll, we need to see more of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then finally, yes, does this movie pass the backdult test?

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<v Speaker 1>It does. I forgot to pay his close of atten

1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:02.599
<v Speaker 1>is I should have because we've been on a break.

1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I forgot how to do my job to feminism. It's hard.

1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>It's been out here being very toxic for the last one.

1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:13.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, women definitely talk to each other a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I got, I got a few different. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of two to three line exchanges between the

1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:23.519
<v Speaker 1>three angels, and usually it will divert pretty quickly. There's

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<v Speaker 1>not full scenes. My favorite one is the scene between

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa McCarthy and Lucy Liu. Yes, Melissa McCarthy's in this movie. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she's done a huge disservice because it's two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>she is playing the only female employee at the place

1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:41.040
<v Speaker 1>where Lucy Lee is pretending to be a dominatrix for

1:20:41.120 --> 1:20:45.080
<v Speaker 1>reasons I couldn't tell you. Um and she, you know,

1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Lucy Lee walks in and Melissa McCarthy gets a name.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Doris right. She's like, yeah, I have that,

1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you know. It's like I I have the one female

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<v Speaker 1>coworker name. And she's like, hi, I'm Doris, I'm so

1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:00.559
<v Speaker 1>excited that you're here, and Lucy Lee's like fuck wrote

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<v Speaker 1>out like I'm not quoting it, but I'm only interested

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the men, right and then and then Melissa

1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>McCarthy's left in the dust and she like calls after

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<v Speaker 1>like you bitch, and the whole exchange passes because Lucy

1:21:14.200 --> 1:21:17.479
<v Speaker 1>Lose like I heard that, and she likes it. She

1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:19.560
<v Speaker 1>liked that she called her a bit. She's like, I

1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:25.920
<v Speaker 1>was planning, she was being dominatrix. It was just being domed.

1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:29.400
<v Speaker 1>So it does pass, not as much as it should,

1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.200
<v Speaker 1>but it does pass. Also, a lot of the conversations

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<v Speaker 1>are them talking about men, but as it relates to

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<v Speaker 1>like their job and the mission, so like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>men in the romantic context, it's it just happens to

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<v Speaker 1>be about men, but they're actually talking about the mission,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, except when they're talking about dating

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<v Speaker 1>for ton of which does happen a lot. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are times, yeah, where it's like they're technically they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about work, but their work always pertains to the men. Men, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the men in this movie are either

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<v Speaker 1>villains or Bosley, who is a du fust and doesn't

1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:07.800
<v Speaker 1>seem to be very competent at really anything, except for

1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:12.320
<v Speaker 1>chewing some object into the shape of a gun. It

1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:18.360
<v Speaker 1>was like or crystal or that. It was very confused. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, as long as that was confusing to everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>just ye, just a gun out of a rock or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and then never used it. It never came back. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The only other man is off screen. We never see

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<v Speaker 1>him wheel your voice except for the back of his

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<v Speaker 1>head at the end. So yeah, I guess the men

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<v Speaker 1>are generally the enemies in this film, to the point

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<v Speaker 1>that we can do what we do to women two men. True, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Yes to the Bechtel test. But the nipple scale,

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually kind of challenged. I know. So zero

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<v Speaker 1>to five nipples is our scale. We rate it based

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<v Speaker 1>on its representation of women. So taking into account everything

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<v Speaker 1>that we've discussed, including the bizarre and upsetting and offensive

1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>ways in which this movie handles things like race and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cultural appropriation um, the excessive use of male

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<v Speaker 1>gaze cinematography, the underwritten female characters, the far too much

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on the romantic relationships. Also, just in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the three main characters, there's just absolutely no diversity in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of body shape and size. They are all extremely thin,

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<v Speaker 1>conventionally attractive women, and uh, you know, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>nice to see more inclusion in terms of body size

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<v Speaker 1>and shape by diversity, and especially the early two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>is such a particularly brutal time for policing women's bodies

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<v Speaker 1>in this way. Um, which just makes it all the

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<v Speaker 1>more frustrating that this movie didn't do anything to support that.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, I would say this only it's like one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half nipples, like great that it is like

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<v Speaker 1>a female driven action franchise. It was this box office hit,

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<v Speaker 1>three million budget and a two hundred sixty three million

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<v Speaker 1>box It was very successful. Okay, so people saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>And while it is not necessarily an inclusive and progressive

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<v Speaker 1>feminist text, it is I know, I know, hear me out.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose it was a stepping stone for stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>come later. So I'm gonna give it one and a

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<v Speaker 1>half nipples, and uh, I'll give one half to each

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<v Speaker 1>of my gals, Lucy. Actually no, I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>all one and a half to Lucy Luke, who was

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<v Speaker 1>drastically underpaid. I had no idea that much. That's absurd. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go one. I think it's like, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fun movie, but I wouldn't never recommend it to anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>not even as really a hate watch. It is like

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<v Speaker 1>very of its time. I respect that it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a female lead project doing well at the box office,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it was written, directed, and everything else besides

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<v Speaker 1>two female producers has everything to do with men, male

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<v Speaker 1>gaze and horny girls. Um, I love horny girls, but

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<v Speaker 1>not when they're written by men. I just don't. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and and for all for all reasons

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<v Speaker 1>you're describing, I gna give it one fun romp hate

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Murray and you know mcg I checked it. I

1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>checked in Hill McGee, like I texted him, but I

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<v Speaker 1>checked in to see what he's up to. And he

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<v Speaker 1>just produced Tall Girl on Netflix. So still into female

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<v Speaker 1>lead things, right, I'm just like, maybe I would hope

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<v Speaker 1>that the men who are responsible for writing and directing

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<v Speaker 1>this movie have since tried to move on, and it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like that is sort of the case. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to give people room for growth. Mcg is now producing

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<v Speaker 1>Tall Girl. Haven't seen it. I'm tall I'm interested. John

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<v Speaker 1>August wrote the Aladdin reboot that came out this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he tried to write a song about

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<v Speaker 1>women in it, right, he was like, I should have

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<v Speaker 1>a job like that was Jasmin has given some political

1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>aspirations in that movie and a female friend. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>so you know everyone's were all. But it gets one nipple, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and it goes to Lucy Liu. I guess I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give it a whole too. Sure, two nipples

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<v Speaker 1>because they tried, you know, they worked with the tools

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<v Speaker 1>they were given in the year two thousand. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know no better. And also it was really cool seeing

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<v Speaker 1>women kick ass. I did think the action scenes were

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<v Speaker 1>really fun. I did have fun watching the movie. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of points where I was eye rolling

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, oh god, this is nuts. But

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<v Speaker 1>also when it came out, I don't think I felt

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<v Speaker 1>that way like any of us did. We just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know better. I like, harness action is what I've learned.

1:27:18.680 --> 1:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I really like it cool. But yeah, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>is a nudge in the right direction, and that hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>there were a bunch of girls who saw that when

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<v Speaker 1>they were young and we're like, cool, maybe I could

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<v Speaker 1>be an astronaut who rides horses and disarms bombs and

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<v Speaker 1>also dates. It does kind of at all. It does

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<v Speaker 1>sound like asking a little girl like what do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be when you grow like I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be an astronaut but also a horseback rider and also this,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, we'll tell you it, got you,

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<v Speaker 1>got it? Oh, So thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people find you online? And what would you

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<v Speaker 1>like to plug up? While my Instagram and my Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>friend Nicole Buyer, and we do live shows sometimes and

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<v Speaker 1>you can find that on our twitters as well. When

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<v Speaker 1>we said what we when we have them? And I

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<v Speaker 1>want a movie called The Weekend. It's on Amazon and

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<v Speaker 1>iTunes right now and on demand and it's a fun

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<v Speaker 1>rom com that I'm pretty sure passes the Bechtel test.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't check, but I'm pretty sure it does does.

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