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Speaker 1: it's me Charlie. Oh Hi, I'm a hot girl. What

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Speaker 1: Murray fucking what there? Hi? Welcome to the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 1: This movie is so weird. Okay, um Hi, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Becktel Cast of My name is Jamie Loftus. My

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Darante. This is our feminist movie podcast

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Speaker 1: and as you can tell, we're going to discuss a

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Speaker 1: we talk about I know, this is our first time

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Speaker 1: like I have haven't seen you for twenty nine days? Well,

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Speaker 1: We're back nine days. I feel like I haven't spoken

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Speaker 1: per usual, our guest today. She's a comedian, a writer.

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Speaker 1: of the podcast Best Friends with past guest of the show,

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Speaker 1: Nicole Byer. It's shears amid up. Yes, Hi, Hello, Charlie.

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00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: even knows. It's like ridiculous. They were just blowing up

424
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: race cars because it was allowed. They're like again in

425
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: a scene that really has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. No, right, Okay,

426
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I was just checking because I was like maybe every

427
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: time I would get confused, I like, probably because I

428
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't understand the race car scene. Yeah, you know it

429
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: really is that scene. Does something happen in that scene?

430
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I think the point was to plant a camera on

431
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: this guy so they could figure out the entryway to

432
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: the vault vaults. But there's no reason that needs to

433
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: happen as a race car track thing. I guess that's

434
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: just what that guy was doing that day. Had like

435
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: the tuft of Drew Barrymore's hair that he couldn't stop smelling.

436
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 1: Was that that's the man. They weren't looking for him.

437
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: They're looking for Tim Curry Crispin Glover. Honestly couldn't pick

438
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: him up out of a lineup. But he's like one

439
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: of the like minions, hair Minions, hair sniffing minions, a

440
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: new trope when he started when he jumped in the

441
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: race car because I guess he's also Tim Curry's hired

442
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: race car driver, right, and then Cameron Diaz went after him.

443
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: Drew Barry was more straight. It was like, you don't

444
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: have to chase him. He's in a circle. But it's like, yes,

445
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: why is this happening. He's not going anywhere, He's just

446
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: practicing for the big race, right. But then they do

447
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: go off the track into traffic a bridge that looks

448
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: like it's a bridge in San Francisco, but they're all

449
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: in l A. I don't know what bridge this would

450
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: be and why there's no traffic on it right. Well,

451
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: to your point, Jamie, another thing I really like about

452
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: this movie, especially as it pertains to like kind of

453
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: the action and the fighting and all that, is that

454
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: we get to see a woman participate in a chase

455
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: scene being the driver, and then she plays essentially a

456
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: game of chicken with this bad guy and she wins,

457
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: and he flipped her over her car unaffected. She does

458
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: win by basically magic, but she wins. Nonetheless. Yeah, I

459
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: was like, I guess let's just get out what we like,

460
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: because yeah, I want to talk about that there was

461
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: but it is, I mean, it is cool that it's

462
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: kind of like baked into the premise that they're all

463
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: like they're gonna win obviously, and that's like not always,

464
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: like you know, that's rare for you know, women to

465
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: get to be in action movies at all, much less

466
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: be the winners the main characters. I mean, it's right,

467
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: we can come on one maybe two hands, the action

468
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: franchises that have women as the protagonists that also like

469
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: performed super well at the box office, and like this

470
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: is this feels like a sort of like a like

471
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: weird to revisit step of sort of progress sometimes in

472
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: some ways. Um. But the other thing that I liked

473
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: because I was worried at the end where they're all

474
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: fighting in the climactic battle sequence where there's too many

475
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: fights to keep track of and I can't tell a

476
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: lot of like Crispin Glover and Sam Rockwell, I honestly

477
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: was having trouble at some point, like who's um but

478
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore Dylan. She gets kind of damseled for a

479
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: little bit, but then she frees herself and kills them

480
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: all with a chair, and so like even that they

481
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: like kind of dodged the damseling one of the heroes

482
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: at the end, so I thought that was cool too.

483
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: She also gets a nice cathartic moment where she was

484
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: wronged and lied to and used by Sam Rockwell sunglasses,

485
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: and then she gets a nice moment of being able

486
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: to beat the ship out of him before he explodes

487
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: and dies, and yeah, she really does get her revenge.

488
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: And then she's like, well, back to Tom Green, you know.

489
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: And then the character who is actually the most damseled

490
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: is Bosley, so that was a nice change of pace.

491
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: And then then yeah, and he doesn't. And it's like

492
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: it's nice because I feel like that's another like thing

493
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: that I don't even know how consciously they're doing it,

494
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: but I feel like it would have been very easy

495
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: to write that character of like I can't believe I'm

496
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: being saved by all lady. This is so emasculable. The

497
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Bill Murray's like, thank you, just like you are clearly

498
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: more skilled than I am. Please help me. So I

499
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: was like, all right, that's you know, it's like there

500
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: are there are like kernels of good stuff going on here,

501
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: and it is fun to watch as fucking confusing and

502
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: misogynist as and like you know, like current problematic on

503
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: every single level. It's just there's just so there's so

504
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: much happening that you can't even when I don't know

505
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: what's going on, I can't look away, right. Yeah it

506
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: is fun. Yeah, it just looks it's fun. It's silly.

507
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like a ton of explosions, lots

508
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: of lots of like joke e like sexual and nuendo

509
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: jokes where you know, Cameron Diaz is like, oh, I

510
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: signed that waiver so you can stick it in my

511
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: slot anytime, which you know, brings us to some of

512
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: the things that perhaps are not great about this. Okay,

513
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: we're getting into it. Well, is there anything else that

514
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: anyone thought was particularly well done? I liked the soundtracktndtrack

515
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: is fun because there it's a dustin these child songs

516
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: written for this movie Independent Woman Part one. But also

517
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: there is a song during the fight scene in the

518
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: alleyway with the thin man um the lyrics of which

519
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: are smack my bitch up. And I think that also

520
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: might be the name of the song. So maybe the

521
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: thin Man's the bitch. Maybe you know what, I didn't

522
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: think of that. We'll take it. Yeah, it's a fun song. Though,

523
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: it's a fun song Okay, So where do we dive in?

524
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the beginning where Drew Barrymore's in

525
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: disguise is LL cool Jack. Yeah, that's let's start at

526
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the beginning. How do we I definitely didn't remember that,

527
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: didn't see it coming and was like slack jaw. The

528
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: way these three characters are introduced, it's like gets progressively worse,

529
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: where it's like Cameron Diaz is you know, she's in

530
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: a bikini and like, all right, great, and then Lucy

531
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Luke gets this comically long. She's like shaking her hair

532
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: out for take off her helmets, and the whips her

533
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: hair back and forth, and then you're like, where's Drew

534
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Barrymore att? And then you're like, no, what. I actually

535
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: did remember this from when I first watched the movie,

536
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: and as is happening, I was like, oh damn, I

537
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: guess I was okay with it when I first when

538
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I first saw this, and now I'm like, this is

539
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: really crazy. Yeah. Not only is the L cool j

540
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: a black man, but also an African man with like

541
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: decinta cloth and then even his parachute is matching his

542
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: African garb. Everything every inch of fabric on this man

543
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: was quote unquote African garb and I don't even think

544
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: he tried to do an accent, because why it's already

545
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he did. Are already disguise. The disguises

546
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: are just I mean, there's not a good one in

547
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: the bunch that was That was alarming. I'm like what yeah, what, yes,

548
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: And that's not the last time that Drew Barrymore specifically

549
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: jeez later in brown brown face. Yes there, so yeah,

550
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a moment. Just to close

551
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: the conversation on the extremely bizarre L cool J mask

552
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: disguise scenario, The way that reveal happens is that like

553
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore as LL cool J has like grabbed this

554
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: guy and they've jumped out of a plane together because

555
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: he has a bomb strapped to him, this this bad guy,

556
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: and which he just shows He's like where the bomb? Yeah?

557
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: And then the bad guys like what plane is this?

558
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: Very luxurious couches in the first class. I was like,

559
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of first classes and that

560
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: I've never seen a plane like that. Next level, there's

561
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: also that racist flight tendant who's like, there's no way

562
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: you could be in first class, just like, thank god,

563
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, I guess some progress here. They're trying to

564
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: show like, even though this is a white woman inside

565
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: of a black body, this person still deserves right. That

566
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: same flight attendant a few minutes earlier was like, it's

567
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: not the seats that have gotten smaller, it's that your

568
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: ass has gotten bigger. He's like making fun. He's like

569
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: fat shaming this woman. Who I guess he's complaining. Yeah,

570
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: it's like one of the first lines that's spoken in

571
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: the movie. Didn't he get blown up? He never comes back.

572
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe he'll come back and he'll get

573
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, blown up. But this bad guy who has

574
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: a bomb strapped to him, he's like, who are you people?

575
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: You crazy bastard? And then llo cool J takes out

576
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: the voice modifying device and then it's Drew Barrymore's voice

577
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: and she says, I think you mean crazy bitch woman

578
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: woman because he's a woman. She's not a bastard, she's

579
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: a bit. This is like the I mean this like

580
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: movie totally and we've talked about this on the show before,

581
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: but just like that very bizarre late nineties early two thousands,

582
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: like catchphrase based feminism that is based in nothing. It

583
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: stands for nothing, and it's so jarring to see now,

584
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: like actually, I'm a crazy bitch. And then she takes

585
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: off La cool J's face Space You're this is also

586
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: this is I used to one of my favorite movies,

587
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: troublingly used to be the Master of Disguise, Dana Carvey

588
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Vehicle two thousand two, his last starring vehicle, and that

589
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: is like the rubber face masks of celebrities thing was

590
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: just like a very strong trend during this the first

591
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: Bush administration. It was just scary free open season. Then

592
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: a few scenes after this, we have the massa j

593
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: parlor scene where Lucy lou is massaging Tim Curry. Hate that,

594
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: don't like it. And then Drew and Cameron come in

595
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: and the way they are dressed and the music que

596
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: that happens when they show up is like just like

597
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: full blown Japanese culture appropriation. And there's also a song

598
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: that happens after the music que, the lyrics of which

599
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: are turning I think I'm turning Japanese, which not to

600
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: not to like ring a dang a little bell on anyone.

601
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: But Kirsten Dunced weirdly did a cover of that horrible

602
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: song like it was like Tenure, but it's still that

603
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: song has a weird, troubled legacy of being sung by

604
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: white people constantly that yeah, that's the and this is Jamie,

605
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, not the only time that these

606
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: white women, Cameron and Drew Um dress in a very

607
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: appropriative garb. Because in a later scene, Lucy and Cameron

608
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: are like belly dancing in a scene that's appropriating Indian culture,

609
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: and then no one in the scene is Indian. And

610
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: then Drew Barrymore in brown face walks into the scene

611
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: picks up a bottle with the dude's fingerprints on it.

612
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Why why it was her face actually brown or she

613
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: has brown makeup? It's only her. It's it's very busy

614
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: like and I think it is like also telling that

615
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: no one talked about it or cared when this movie

616
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: came out, that there's just like Drew Barrymore, very famous actor,

617
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: producer of the movie, in full on brown face for

618
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: a whole scene and just everyone's like, yep, I think

619
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: they probably have like a board of like what environments

620
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: can these girls look hot? And then they went backwards

621
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: from there, right, they were verse engineered it from there

622
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, when they showed up to one of

623
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: the scientists house, who those guys they had access to

624
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: the vault or something, so they're like, we're now a

625
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: yodeling telegram and we'll say yodels to this guy to

626
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: get his eyeballs information. It did seem like, yeah, like

627
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: it was all a ploy to get them into different

628
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: like revealing outfits with no consideration given to like the

629
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: culture they were absolutely because it was like that's the

630
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: only way you can get this information. You can't like, yeah,

631
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: astronaut German Diaz is a jeopardy genius. Like they're smart

632
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: or at least that's how we don't see that the

633
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: ways that they're like getting information or advancing this story

634
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: and their mission is truly like d activating men by

635
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: their looks. Yes, it's appropriating other cultures in an extremely

636
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: racist way most of the time. And or it is seduction.

637
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: So the seduction thing. Yeah, And I mean even the

638
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: fact that like Lucy lu I think is like written

639
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: into that massage parlor scene in the first place is

640
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: very lazy and telling, like it's a movie written by

641
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: three white guys and it's super shows perfect, right. The

642
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: crazy parlors. Yeah, like, let's do the laziest thing we

643
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: can think of, and then it's not it's not good.

644
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: It's more on the seduction aspect of the you know,

645
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: attempts to get what they want. Where to begin, there's

646
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: a lot, Yes, it's all of them. And we have

647
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot on the podcast, where on

648
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: one hand, if women can use their sexuality to get

649
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: things that they want, particularly from straight men, great because

650
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: for a long time, the way the world was set up,

651
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: that was pretty much one of the only tools women

652
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: had that they're just bosal to get results. On the

653
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: other hand, uh, this movie had the opportunity to show

654
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: women doing other things and using other tactics besides their

655
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: sexuality to get what they want, like their brains and

656
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: their fighting skills and things like that, their ability to

657
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: fly into space, super genius powers, and we see a

658
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: little bit of it throughout the movie. But I was

659
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: truly shocked by how often they use their sexuality to

660
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: get what they want, because it's which does seem like

661
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: it from what I know of it. That's also like

662
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: a staple of the Teacher Show that this movie just

663
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: elects to not update in any way. And possibly make worse. Yeah,

664
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: like that that whole It's bizarre because we are given

665
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: like these kind of cool facts about these very underwritten characters,

666
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: and then instead of ever finding out, like, for example,

667
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: why they work for Charlie, will qualifies them to work

668
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 1: for Charlie? How did they get huch with Charlie? Here's

669
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Bill Murray fit into all of this? Like what exactly

670
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: are their job qualifications? And like, but they just derail

671
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: the plot of the movie regularly to just show a

672
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: series of dates that they're on, Like every twenty minutes

673
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: you just see all three of them on a date. Ye.

674
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: I was like, it's also like if they're working, they

675
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't have time for that, right, I have time to

676
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: be going on a date or making dinner for their

677
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: man or whatever is Yeah, like making dinner for matt

678
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: LeBlanc between scenes, Like what they It's like, that's the

679
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: identity you chose? This is our secret identity is being

680
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: a bikini actor girlfriend to a actor actor and she

681
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: lives on set with him in a trailer and she's

682
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: sucking genius. So like, why I'm glad you brought all

683
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: this up because the movie for some reason sets aside

684
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: time for all three of the Angels to have a

685
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: romantic storyline. I think I know the s um Well.

686
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: It might interest you to know that when this movie

687
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: was originally pitched, apparently there were no romantic subplots, but

688
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore, one of the producers of the film, decided

689
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: that she wanted to include love interests for all three

690
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: of the angels um and that they were added so

691
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: that the women watching this movie could live vicariously through

692
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: these characters who were having it all. You underestimated us. Yeah,

693
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: I can only understand these kick ask women if they're

694
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: having boy problems. I'm having boy problems. So if they're

695
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: not having boy problems, who are they? That's such a

696
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: that's such a bummer. I mean, I would imagine Drew

697
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: feels differently these days. That's always such a bummer to

698
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: hear where you're like, it wasn't even make g who

699
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: insisted not like it's so easy to throw make under

700
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: the bus. Now, I'll play Devil's advocate for just a moment.

701
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: In in that when we see female protagonists in movies

702
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: with demanding jobs like the ones that the Angels have,

703
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: we often see like they're romantic and personal lives suffering

704
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: as a result. So the fact that they do have,

705
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying I'm for it, but the fact

706
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: that we see them on screen, I guess having it all,

707
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: but like it bugged me. Yes, but I was also like, okay,

708
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: it's two thousand, Well that's I get what you're saying.

709
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: And also it is also nice to see that it's

710
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: not interfering with their work, because I don't other than

711
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: the like the same Rockwell relationship thing, but that they're

712
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: still able to have a personal life right and be

713
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: really good at their jobs at the same time. Yes,

714
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: the fact that it is three hetero romances that for

715
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: the most part don't have anything to do with the

716
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: main storyline except for the Sam Rockwell Drew Barrymore one. Yes,

717
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: it's perhaps not the best writing. It's really guys, it's

718
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: really bad writing. I was like, now, hold on, it

719
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: is very poorly. I wouldn't be as annoyed at the

720
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: constant derailing to go see Matt LeBlanc on yet another

721
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: day with his girlfriend he knows nothing about if we

722
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: knew anything about Lucy Lu's character, but I guess just

723
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about And then it's so like

724
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: so lazy where it's like, yeah, technically we see them

725
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: do stuff, but it's like in montage where you're like, oh,

726
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: I guess Cameron Diaz knows how to clone people. Oh

727
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: I thought she was just on Jeopardy, But I guess

728
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: she knows how to clone people. And they're just oh, yeah,

729
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: she clones a hand or something, or like three D

730
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: printers of hand, three D prints a man's hand four

731
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: or three D printers were even invent right, she's again

732
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve, and then it's just like cut

733
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: to a scene of her being like how do I

734
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: call Luke Wilson? You're like, come on, man, I was

735
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: so like, I so much time used to see, like

736
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: is she going to fund this waiter? Like yeah, their

737
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: choices and men are also like I mean Tom Green

738
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: special time. I mean again, maybe he's a nice person.

739
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a great guy. I don't know. He won

740
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: an award for this movie, but it was for worst

741
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: person in a movie that's very funny. Well it was bad.

742
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: It was clearly like, oh, they're fucking so that's why

743
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: he's in this movie. They met on set. Yeah, Oh

744
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: I thought he was in the movie, Like as a favor,

745
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: Like she was like, we can't do this with my boyfriend.

746
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: And I thought it was like how Carson and Tara did,

747
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: Like how Carson Daly's and Josie and the Puss. Yeah, no,

748
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: it's they met on this set. Open then why was

749
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: that scene even there? He was so weird so long

750
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: because they were like, he's a comedian, let him impervise.

751
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: But it was like he just fell into the water.

752
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: He just and then and then when he comes back,

753
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I was extremely unrape came back. I

754
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: was like, how dare this? And then it's implied like

755
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna end up together. You're like, boat guys, you're

756
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: gonna end up with this guy? Okay? Like I found

757
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: the romantic supplets to be like very frustrating because there's

758
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: like the ingredients to so much cool stuff and it's

759
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: just constantly just distraction from Definitely it's hard enough to

760
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: understand what's going on. And then I was like, is

761
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Luke Wilson involved? No, he's just taking up room. In

762
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: this take. He takes her to a Soul Train show,

763
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: where there's another weird racially charged scene where Cameron Diaz

764
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: is dancing to baby got back. The rest of the

765
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: crowd is predominantly black, and they're just like all staring

766
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: at her, being like, what the fuck is this white

767
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: girl doing? And then they, like for no reason at all,

768
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: start to like get on board with what never minding,

769
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: and then she like wins the crowd over, and it's like,

770
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: what are you trying to say with this? What's happened?

771
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: I get it. It's white women can in racism by

772
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: shaking their ass. Yes, that's correct, we can all be

773
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: brought together the enthusiasm of a of a blonde white woman.

774
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: There's I'm like, who insisted on that scene being there?

775
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: I just that was so unnecess They kind of gone

776
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: to dinner. Yeah, that that well, it is like all

777
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: the dates except for the Sam Rockwell dates. Nothing, there's

778
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: no Well, that's I guess a payoff of a scene

779
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: that's planted earlier where Cameron Diaz has a dream that

780
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 1: she's like dancing and then she wakes up and she okay,

781
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: So there's a minister reason to have Cameron Diaz without

782
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: pants at the beginning. Absolutely none of it is justified,

783
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: and it's all horribly written, but this is the movie's

784
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: justification why it's in But yeah, I mean I think

785
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that speaks a lot to again, these these characters being

786
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: so under written because we the things we do know

787
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: about them are like usually told in montage like you mentioned,

788
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: and or they're just inconsistent and weird and don't pay

789
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: off in any meaningful way. I still don't have a

790
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: grasp on like what each of their specialty is. Like

791
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: I think Cameron Diaz seems to be the one who

792
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: like drives. If there's a driving thing, she's the driver flips,

793
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: but then she she flips, but then she also sometimes

794
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: like does some like tech photo enhancement stuff, and then

795
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: she's a computer. But Lucy lou also does a bunch

796
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: of that too, and then she also does some like

797
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: bomb wire. She's really good at wires. That's like, I

798
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: almost that almost made sense to me because I'm like, oh,

799
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: because space technology, because space, because she's engineering things could

800
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: be and then space and horses. Oh. Also back to

801
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: Lucy lew and Mala long relationship. Even Matt la Blanc

802
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: didn't want to know more information about her because when

803
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: she was like, look, I'm not who I say I am.

804
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm not actually a bikini wax there and he's like, oh, bummer,

805
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that was pretty hot. And then

806
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: and then and she's she's like, now I have to go.

807
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: And then there's no follow up questions. He's not like

808
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: where are you going? He's like, oh, I guess you're

809
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: going to Charlie. So it's also like he knew about

810
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Charlie the whole time, but didn't know who he was.

811
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Did you think Charlie was managing the I think so

812
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: she's like, important bikini wax business. I gotta go meet

813
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: up with Charlie. He's like, okay. He also thinks like

814
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: he also gets weirdly threatened at the beginning. She's like, Charlie,

815
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: that's a chip, right, that's a chip. And then she's

816
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: like I don't know, You're like what you're This is

817
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: not a good relationship for either of you. This is bad.

818
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: There there's just so much and like Lucy Lou like

819
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: she like neggs herself in the first like it's just

820
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: the way they're written is bananas, Like the the she

821
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: negs herself in the opening scene because she accidentally slips

822
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: up and says something smart in front of matt le

823
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Blanc was like did you know that? And she was like,

824
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: it's crazy what you can learn on the internet, and

825
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: then he sounds like, I'm smarter have any information about

826
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: my backstory at all. And he's relieved by that reveal,

827
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, cool, kiss kiss Oh can I okay?

828
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: These are I'm just my notes are chaotic for this one.

829
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: The like the movie the scene where okay, so this

830
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: is a scene with Sam rock Ball and not Crispin Glover.

831
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you know it's the it's the date that Dylan

832
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: goes on where they talk about her daddy issues that. Okay,

833
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: that makes sense, so that was um, so what happens

834
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: in this scene it's one of the date scenes, but

835
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: the twist is it has bearing on the plot. Um.

836
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: What happens is they're like on a date and then

837
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: he asks her, shockingly a little about herself and she says, well,

838
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: my mom died when I was young. I never met

839
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: my dad. And then he immediately was like, oh, so

840
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: that's probably why you work for an old man that

841
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: you've never seen, which is so aggressive, and she doesn't

842
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: doesn't react to it at all, and then he knocks

843
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: over a scrabble board and she's like, wow, this guy

844
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: is cool. Then she tries to leave and she's like,

845
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: I have to go. I have to go work for

846
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: my Like he just is like, oh, daddy issues. Awesome,

847
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: let's cook up. Like he confirms she has daddy issues

848
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: and then is like cool, clear for landing for Sam Rockwell,

849
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: but then she has to go and then he kind

850
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: of like baby, it's cold outsides her and it's like, wait,

851
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: what about the shaking bag? Shaking bag product placement? God

852
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: knows how much money they spent in that. I hope

853
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: that like there because he's like, oh, we got to

854
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: make the shaking bag, and then she's like, what if

855
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: we just did shake? But don't forget He suggests that

856
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: she is the one who does the baking because women

857
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: be bacon bacan. They had to get every everything in

858
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: in this. It was so I wonder if Shaken Big

859
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: had to pay more because they end up sucking as

860
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: a result of the product. This, this product will make

861
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: you fuck commercial. We've got to take a quick break,

862
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: but we'll be back for more discussion. Hi, Charlie. Speaking

863
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: of Charlie, just a little bit more about him. The

864
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: Angels relationship with Charlie. Like they've never met him, He's

865
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: always watching them, and yeah, it's like this weird, voyeuristic

866
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: god like like I'm going to control you. You're never

867
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: allowed to meet me. We can only communicate through this

868
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: other man who's a liaison between us, who will also

869
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: treat you weird, yes, who will treat you Because they're

870
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: all cuddling in that first on his shoulder like he's

871
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: like lady drawing on them, putting his hands on their

872
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: knees and stuff like that. Also not a good look

873
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: for Bill Murray, who already has um. I mean, just

874
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: look up his domestic abuse record. I don't know. I'm

875
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: not a fan. I also just think he should not

876
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: go to people's weddings and he's a fucking weirdo. But

877
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: that's just me. You weren't invited, don't go my favorite thing.

878
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: He's making it better disruptive, get out. I paid a

879
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: lot of money for each guest to be here, and

880
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is my day, and then dare

881
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: you I'm the Bill Murray of my wedding. But anyway,

882
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: these characters are written to be obsessed with Charlie, like

883
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: they're in what the dynamic of this relationship. It feels

884
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: like vaguely gas light e border lines. I don't know.

885
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: Something was very weird about this dynamic. But they're like,

886
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: we love you, Charlie, You're the best. Charlie's like you

887
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: don't even know him. That's one of the qualifications that

888
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: why they were chosen. They all have daddy issues. We

889
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: learn about Trus it's so the daddy issues, Like it's

890
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: so annoying and I like. But the thing that I

891
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: think makes me like that was the like weirdest or

892
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: felt the weirdest is like, yes, Charlie is like this old,

893
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: mysterious guy who's addicted to controlling young hot women. He

894
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: has framed photos of them in his home. Feeling very

895
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: safe about all of this. But the fact that they

896
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: don't question it at all, and they like just don't

897
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: like they don't they're just horny. They're just like a low,

898
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: simmering horny. For the predicament, it seems like of like

899
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, which I know is a carryover from

900
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: the seventies, but it's just I don't know. Anytime they're like,

901
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: well that's what the show is, like, it's like, well,

902
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: it's an adaptation. You can do stuff. Well that show

903
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: was damaging, and uh, yeah, you can update stuff. Yeah,

904
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: the show was was I think often criticized for being

905
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: jiggle TV, which was basically just emphasizing the sex appeal

906
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: of the female leads, which is like a reason for

907
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: them to like run. It's like Baywatch is a later

908
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: version of it, which is not an issue that's corrected

909
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: in this movie at all. There's, like I mean, in

910
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: the in the the weird soul train scene, there's a

911
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: ton of slow mo Cameron Diaz, I made a list

912
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: of all of the extremely unnecessary, usually male gaze shots

913
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: in the beginning. We already talked about this little bit,

914
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: but Lucy Lou taking off her helmet and whipping her

915
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: hair around in slow motion, and then another completely random

916
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: and unnecessary shot a few moments later where she takes

917
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: off a fencing helmet in one of the flashbacks and

918
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: whips her hair around again, and then later she tells

919
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz to do it. She's like, whip your god

920
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: her hair, which is another time they interrupt the scene

921
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: to flirt. Is so annoying, like Wilson, get you out

922
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: your work. This one we already touched on as well,

923
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: But Cameron Diaz dancing around in her underwear in her

924
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: house and then opening up the door for a package

925
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: delivery in her underwear chaotic, stupid, Yeah, and then saying

926
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: you can feel free to stick things in my slot

927
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: and that's supposed to be, you know, a hilarious joke.

928
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: And then she runs into her own door, yes, and

929
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: is unaware of the where her house is in relation

930
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: to where she's standing. Yes, basical awareness goes all out

931
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: the door because of the cups man, which would make

932
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: her probably a bad spy fighter person. But she's really

933
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know, flip do backflips and not just

934
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: the floor for a two point five seconds or whatever

935
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: it is and go into that vault. Why why can't

936
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: she walk into her house? But with these it's just

937
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: they try to get, especially Cameron Diaz, naked as much

938
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: as possible, as early as possible. Although there's that scene

939
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: where like Drew Barrymore is like needlessly naked as she's

940
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: like dangling from Yeah, and then she like walks into

941
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: that house with those little boys. I hate scenes like

942
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: that where they're like, oh, now the kids are horny

943
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: too interesting. You're like, no, I don't. I think it's

944
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: it's also like still people are like little boys seeing

945
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: adult women bodies is funny and not traumatic. They're like, oh,

946
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: that's like a hilarious boys would love that, as opposed

947
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: to like this is actually maybe going to affect them

948
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: they're older. Good grief. Here's a few more on my list.

949
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: J yeah, jiggle TV baby um. The shot of Lucy

950
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: lose Ass as she crawls Overdrew in the car to

951
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: fix the intercom at the drive through. Yeah, there's a

952
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: shot of Lucy lose Ass again in a leather skirt.

953
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: Sound effect on that is sick. She's like, skirt. It

954
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: was like, this isn't even like achieving the intended effect.

955
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: Which so that brings me to the list of all

956
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: the times where the Angels use seduction as a technique

957
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: to get what they want, which again I feel it's

958
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: every two seconds, far too often, and it's always like

959
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: immediately after they've just done something that you're like, oh

960
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool, Like it was right after that

961
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: huge fight scene where you're like, wow, this is awesome,

962
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: and then it's a dating seduction montage right right right,

963
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: Because there's a one where Lucy Lou pretends to be

964
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: an efficiency expert. She's dressed as a dominatrixes with the

965
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: with a whip, and then she comes in and smacks

966
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: her whip around and it makes all the computer programmer

967
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: dudes all horny, and then she like plays kind of

968
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: a dits at the end of that scene where she's like,

969
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: can anyone like show me what you're talking about? And

970
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: then that leaves Drew and Cameron who are dressed as

971
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: men in this scene, which like that worked for me, okay,

972
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: but then they then that's when Cameron diaz Um you know,

973
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: gets shrubs completely, yeah, right, and you know, flips around

974
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: in the vault, which is also funny because they're like,

975
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: she needs to be invisible, and she puts on this

976
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: white suit, but you can still see her eyes and

977
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: her like the flesh on her face, and she eyes

978
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: the camera, looks directly in the camera the one part

979
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: of skin that is on her that you can see. Look,

980
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: what's that right in the lens of the camera, And

981
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: it's like, Hi, god, dude, dude, did it just keeps

982
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: going at the feast the whole purpose of what you

983
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: were doing. So whoever watched it gonna be like I

984
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: see floating eyes, I guess. And then the vault opened

985
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: by itself, we should probably investigate. So bizarre. And then

986
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: there's the scene where Drew Barrymore's character distracts the man

987
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: who's in Corwin's car while Lucy breaks into the trunk.

988
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: But like, but she's like in a fully unzipped race

989
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: car suit and she's like, she's like, oh my god,

990
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what you went to like police academy

991
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: or something kind of. I don't know if she also

992
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: licked the steering wheel, which is so nasty because that's

993
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: like so many hand germs. He's probably not the only

994
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: driver of that car, probably not, didn't seem like a

995
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: clean man. It's just like steering wheel. I was like,

996
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: bye bye, so weird. Yeah, And then the costuming also

997
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: so like they are private investigator detective spot. I don't

998
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: even know what their role is exactly, but they're doing

999
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of like covert operations. They are like fighting

1000
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: and flipping around a lot, and yet they're in outfits

1001
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: most of the time where almost their entire chants exposed,

1002
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: and it's like if you do one flip, your tips

1003
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: are out there, slow out and they're even when they

1004
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: were like scuba diving, where they were like swimming up

1005
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: to whatever the island was where Sam Rockwell had Bosley

1006
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: Like Cameron Diaz scuba gear was like open to her

1007
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: mom's pupis Like it was so open, and I was like,

1008
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: how did I keep you that? The name is inefficient?

1009
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: Same thing when she's undercover as a waitress and every

1010
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: other like every other person working there is wearing a

1011
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: normal outfit and she's got again all the way like

1012
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: down and and then she's like ha ha, like I'm

1013
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: really blending in, but you're not. You look foolish. Yeah.

1014
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you want to expose your skin,

1015
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: embrace your sexuality, beautiful, we're all for that. But to

1016
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: do that when you're also trying to like accomplish us

1017
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: covert spy mission and you're fighting a bunch and your

1018
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: boobs are going to get in the way doesn't track.

1019
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: I just want to a movie where whatever woman is

1020
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: in charge is like, oh, I'm about to fight. Let

1021
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: me get my ponytail holder out, put my hair back,

1022
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: getting out my face, because to take these heels off,

1023
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: because that's not gonna make me run faster but my

1024
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: clothes but not mine. But yeah, let me get fight mode,

1025
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: as opposed to like, let me be the sexiest thing

1026
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: ever and then get to it second hair whipping sequence

1027
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: just exhausting. Was there was there more? Um, I think

1028
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: we've already covered everything else in terms of the like

1029
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: male Gaze seduction, there was There was one line that

1030
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore has been she it's been Sam rockwell first betrays,

1031
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: which is also a very funny scene to me because

1032
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: I think that maybe at some point in the production

1033
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: or writing process they realized that maybe the movie was

1034
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: really confusing, because there's that whole shot where the camera

1035
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: is circling Drew Barrymore and she's basically like explaining what

1036
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: has happened for the past and she's like, so that

1037
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: person wasn't who I thought it was, was it? And

1038
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: Sam Rock was like no, and she's like, and I

1039
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: guess that other person wasn't who I thought they were.

1040
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: And he's like no, and she's like, and then I

1041
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: would deduce that you are also not who I thought

1042
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: you were and he's like no. Camera makes like three

1043
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: full revolutions around her. But in that scene she is

1044
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: on a quote unquote date with him, but then she

1045
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: like makes this bizarre joke about She's like, well, I'm

1046
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: a full service pert, like implying that anytime she's a spy,

1047
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: she's also having sex with the people she's spying on.

1048
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: It was a weird joke. Uh, can we talk about Vivian.

1049
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings on Vivian. I, on one hand,

1050
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: was kind of expecting Vivian to just kind of be

1051
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: left there, to just kind of not do anything. I

1052
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: like that she at least turned out to be relevant.

1053
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: Sure a plot, but she is also I mean, the

1054
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: seduction trope is alive, and while she has a Rufie's

1055
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: bill murray um, which is very villainous. Yeah, yeah, I

1056
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: don't know it was. I'm still I think I'm just

1057
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: like still confused. But I don't know exactly what she wanted,

1058
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 1: but I'm glad she turned out to be important. Yeah,

1059
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: her motivations were not clear, but depending on the circumstances,

1060
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: I usually appreciate a female villain. You know, her character

1061
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: was not necessarily well developed, but but nor was anyone.

1062
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: She wasn't singled out. She was Sam's business partner and

1063
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: also love her or girlfriend or wife, kept being like mean,

1064
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: kept being like my lady or my girl in references,

1065
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: Vivian to find the relationship is the relationship, and then

1066
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: he kissed her on the neck, but then she also

1067
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: fully let him fux somebody else, so they're both and

1068
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: we don't they chose not to define it for the movie,

1069
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't need a definition. Yeah, maybe that's

1070
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: where just being normal. Do you think then maybe so

1071
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: this is me kind of thinking through this in real time,

1072
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: But do you think Drew Barrymore's character is sort of

1073
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: like subtly or like inadvertently slut shamed because she does

1074
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: have sex with a villain, and then that puts her

1075
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: in a position where she's like, oops, I didn't notice

1076
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: that he was the bad guy because I was too

1077
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: busy like sucking. The villain's definitely slept shame her like you,

1078
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: silly girl. I knew what happened, of course, And he's

1079
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, at least you were a good lay.

1080
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to kill your friends and your daddy.

1081
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: And I still understand how Drew Barrymore didn't die when

1082
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: he shot her in the head about whatever. I guess

1083
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the head. They went reversed and went

1084
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: to Salomo. She fell backwards and then the bullet missed

1085
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: her head hit the window behind her and then she

1086
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: got naked, and she got naked for the children. Yes, okay,

1087
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: I did look like a hit her in that, but um,

1088
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: that's what we're supposed to think. But she, Yeah, she

1089
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: like choreographed it so that she because she wanted them

1090
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: to think that she was hit by the bullet complex. Yeah,

1091
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: but she was orchestrating this whole thing. But and I

1092
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: think that like kind of the villains definitely sledge Chamber.

1093
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: But it seems like kind of like the story does too,

1094
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: because they make her out to be like, oh, she's

1095
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: like the more sexually open. I don't know how to

1096
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: correctly phrase it, but like they make her out to

1097
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: be silly for being sexually active, and then they punish

1098
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: her in the story, like for having sex. The direct

1099
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: consequence of her having sex is that she almost gets

1100
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: shot in the head and all of her friends almost die.

1101
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: She does like, well she is she does get to

1102
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: redeem herself though she does. Yes, so yeah, I don't know,

1103
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: I think the movie doesn't really know how uh it

1104
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: feels about it. But then she she also it's implied

1105
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: that she has sex with Tom Green at the beginning

1106
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: of the movie. Yes, so why why do they talk?

1107
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: Why they have a conversation that boat. I don't know.

1108
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I guess I like that. Yeah,

1109
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: I suppose that she is framed as being as having

1110
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: multiple sexual partners, and the movie I think punishes her

1111
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: to some degree. But like, at least her friends are like,

1112
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: you silly, look what you got us into or anything

1113
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: like that. So they're all actively encouraging each other to

1114
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: have as much sex as possible. Like, stop what you're doing,

1115
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: keep flirting, stop them. You know, we're in the middle

1116
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: of the mission right now, but go and try to

1117
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: fuck Luke Wilson. And she's like, I'm nervous, she said,

1118
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: And Lucy lives like fuck him now, like flip your hair, dick.

1119
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: Oh what a strange movie this is. I do want

1120
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: to bring to everyone's attention, um that Lucy Lou was

1121
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: paid millions less than her white co stars were both movies. Um.

1122
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact numbers for the first movie,

1123
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: but for the sequel, Full Throttle, Cameron Diaz was paid

1124
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars, Lucy Lou paid only four million. Yeah,

1125
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that. Yes, Oh, that's so

1126
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: sad and if you're putting performances next to performances, I mean,

1127
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: it's terrible. Lucy Lose amazing. Yes, so there's some you know,

1128
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: standard Hollywood racism for you. In addition to the very

1129
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: weird ways in which she's like narrative handles um race,

1130
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: also behind the scenes, it's also handled horribly. Oh Jesus Christ,

1131
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: that I well, I guess I wanted to before we

1132
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: before we crop up. I guess I just wanted to

1133
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: take the tap of like is it necessary to? I mean,

1134
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the grand sense, like cool, Elizabeth Banks

1135
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: is directing a movie. It's got a diverse cast, Like

1136
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: that's exciting, that's cool, But what story I want this again?

1137
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: Is there a way? I guess it's just this seems

1138
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: like one of the franchises, and I feel like that

1139
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: like most reboots where they're like, I know that women

1140
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: were done a wild dist service by this franchise multiple times,

1141
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: but we're going to give it another shot. I can't

1142
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: think of an example of that ever going particularly well.

1143
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think it's just like it's

1144
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: it's frustrating. I wonder if studios and Dubiz are afraid

1145
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: people won't see female lead action movies if it's not

1146
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: already a thing we are familiar with, like if it's

1147
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: not already attached to a superhero franchise or a reboot

1148
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: of something. I mean, some things have done really well,

1149
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: but like the things that I'm thinking, like recently are

1150
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: like Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel Um, like, these are things

1151
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: that already female those busters. Yeah, exactly. So it's like

1152
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: if it's a thing that's like it's its own thing,

1153
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: like the Charlie's thron one that came out what was

1154
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: it called again? That one? No? No, this is a

1155
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: more recent one, yeah, where she's like fighting everybody and

1156
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: she has like that lad of blond hairs Coolie yes,

1157
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: which I watched and is also very confusing. But the

1158
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: action action is fucking killer. It is great. But I

1159
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: don't know if they did that well. I don't think

1160
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: it did. And that's like Charlie's Theron and her peak,

1161
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, And so I feel like there are probably

1162
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: people who are like, I mean, we could try, but

1163
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: we wouldn't make money. Here's the yes, right, here's my

1164
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: theory on all of this. And this is something a

1165
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: trend that we've noticed on the podcast is that the

1166
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: trajectory usually goes from there being no representation to an

1167
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: attempt at representation, which is usually bad uh and not

1168
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: nuanced at all, and then as years progress, better more

1169
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: nuanced representation. I think the same thing applies to just

1170
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: like stories overall, where like for the longest time, women

1171
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't get to be at the helm of action franchises,

1172
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: and then they did get to be there, and Kenny

1173
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: Valley like this movie yeah, or like tomb Raider, which

1174
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: we talked about and when, which is like the same

1175
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: era sexualized woman the movie um, and then right uh,

1176
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: and then down the road we are getting Slash, we'll

1177
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: probably get more nuanced like original action franchises starring women.

1178
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: So I think we're still in the stage of like

1179
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: we're not used to blonde women are allowed to direct.

1180
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: Now when I've taken away from recent years is now

1181
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: it's like we can have several blonde directors working at

1182
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: any given time as long as they were already famous

1183
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: when they direct, and eventually brunettes then we'll have people

1184
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: of color. And jeez, I hate I hate that that

1185
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: probably tracks it's it is weird. I hope the movie

1186
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: is good. I'm glad it exists. It does already though

1187
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: it's it's like strikes me as feeling like a weird

1188
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: Like a couple of years from now, people will be like, oh, yeah,

1189
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: I guess that that was just like a little shove

1190
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: in the right direction. But I hope that there is

1191
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: a you know, I feel like it just like is

1192
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: going to take one of those out of nowhere breakout

1193
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: movies that is like, oh, you can tell an original

1194
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: story starring a diverse cast of women. That isn't like

1195
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: It's like movies that are rebooted like this feel so

1196
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: genetically engineered to do well that they kind of just

1197
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: even when the people in front and in back of

1198
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: the camera are very talented, it just feels like it

1199
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: feels like a science experiment. It does, But I think

1200
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: we need a few of those that are going to

1201
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: be box office hits to show Mr. Hollywood that, yes,

1202
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: people will Mr Charlie, Charlie himself, can we make a

1203
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: movie like I don't know, how did the reboot to

1204
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: show that like women female lead action franchises can be

1205
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: box office successes, that women can direct those and still

1206
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: be box office successes. So we're still in this stage

1207
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: of like we on the battel cast or like yes,

1208
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: we're you know, let's move on. But I think the

1209
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: general movie gong population isn't quite I know. I I

1210
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: mean even the fact that we that it's like we

1211
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: have to explain like this math problem about like when

1212
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: are we going to have a really good movie is like, well,

1213
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem likely we'll have a very good movie

1214
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: for at least ten years because men aren't ready, and

1215
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, yeah, I I don't know. It

1216
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: is I feel weirdly like weary of it. But I

1217
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: also yeah, but also just for the sake of a

1218
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: good movie, I want to see someday, I hope it

1219
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: does well. Same and I think it'll be far more

1220
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: feminist than what you would think would be more of

1221
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: a feminist text in this two thousand Charlie's Angels. It

1222
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: is still quite regressive, as we have pointed out for

1223
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: many reasons, but there are some like moments of like

1224
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: two thousand's feminism black and catchphrases written the movie, such

1225
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: as there's way it kind of I guess please never

1226
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: send a man to do a woman's job. Vivian Wood

1227
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: says that yeah, you're like whoa. There's a moment at

1228
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: the beginning where Drew Barrymore is like, well, if he

1229
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: is threatened by a strong woman, then you shouldn't be

1230
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: with him, and then they talk for another five minutes

1231
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 1: about like but how could I be with him? How

1232
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: can I make this week? There's Those were the two

1233
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: that I had, plus um Lucy Lou talking to Tim

1234
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: Curry being like, my hands aren't going anywhere near your staff.

1235
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: And then she also keeps rejecting this man at Corwin's party,

1236
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 1: being like no, no, no, and it's like we're supposed

1237
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: to be like whoa feminist dich And then you have

1238
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: one of those weird flippy moments where Vivian when she's

1239
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: heading on Bill Murray, whose character I other than the

1240
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: weird like my girls they're like vibe you get at

1241
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: the top where you're just like but his character was

1242
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: generally like pretty chilly like it was in fact I

1243
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: would call him mostly a dufus yeah, like he was

1244
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: more like he wasn't like a lecherous character. But then

1245
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: when Vivian comes in, she's like she kind of comes

1246
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 1: in like fuck consent, like she just like call like

1247
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: and then he's like, I don't know about this. We're coworkers,

1248
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 1: and she's like fucky and you're like, whoa that. He

1249
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 1: also doesn't tell her to leave. He starts a fire

1250
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: and pours wine. It's like, we shouldn't be doing this,

1251
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: but do you want wine by the fire? Yeah? That's

1252
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: like so much like so much of this era of movies.

1253
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: It's constantly it's just like the way people interact is

1254
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: so uncanny Valley and not. I mean it's a movie,

1255
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: but it's also like there's no criticism put on the

1256
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: guys that are like constantly aw going Charlie's Angels because

1257
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: they're framed and their characters are written so that it

1258
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: seems like that's what they want, like they want to

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Speaker 1: be a stared at because and there's and and then

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Speaker 1: also that like thing that the worst kind of guy

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Speaker 1: will bring up of like assuming that a woman's sexuality

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Speaker 1: is some sort of plot against them. This movie plays

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01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 1: to those stereotypes hard, like, well, if she seems attracted

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Speaker 1: to you, she's gonna kill you, like you steal your money. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, this is all to say that I think

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Speaker 1: this reboot of Charlie's Angels it's coming out just based

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Speaker 1: on the more diverse cast alone, I think will hopefully

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Speaker 1: be a more like inclusive, intersectional text than what we've

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Speaker 1: seen so far. Yeah, it seems like it will be.

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Speaker 1: It seems like that's like a priority, which is great. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people will see it.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll you know do My guess is that

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Speaker 1: it will do fairly well at the box office. Here's

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Speaker 1: hoping we'll I'll go, I'll see it twice. Um. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: those were all my thoughts. Does anyone have any other

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: final thoughts about the movie? Oh? Did you know they

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Speaker 1: were in a band, the Angels during the credits? Oh yes,

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: they were all playing in a band together, and we

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01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: don't know why. They just were dressed like green Day

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Speaker 1: maybe and oh yeah there what song? Honestly shut it

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Speaker 1: off this second the movie, and that I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what happened during the credit. Yeah, I got some some

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01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: Josie and the Pussycats vibe, some produ typical because that

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01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: was after right, Yeah, that was well, but the I

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01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: mean the comic book who knows what came first will

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Speaker 1: never find out. Oh yeah, yeah they're in a band,

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01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: so good for them for that. The women in rock

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 1: and roll, we need to see more of it. And

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 1: then finally, yes, does this movie pass the backdult test?

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01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: It does. I forgot to pay his close of atten

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01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: is I should have because we've been on a break.

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01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: I forgot how to do my job to feminism. It's hard.

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01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: It's been out here being very toxic for the last one.

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01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean, women definitely talk to each other a lot.

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01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: I got, I got a few different. I mean there's

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: a lot of two to three line exchanges between the

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: three angels, and usually it will divert pretty quickly. There's

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Speaker 1: not full scenes. My favorite one is the scene between

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Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy and Lucy Liu. Yes, Melissa McCarthy's in this movie. Yes,

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: she's done a huge disservice because it's two thousand and

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Speaker 1: she is playing the only female employee at the place

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01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: where Lucy Lee is pretending to be a dominatrix for

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01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: reasons I couldn't tell you. Um and she, you know,

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: Lucy Lee walks in and Melissa McCarthy gets a name.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Doris right. She's like, yeah, I have that,

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01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: you know. It's like I I have the one female

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Speaker 1: coworker name. And she's like, hi, I'm Doris, I'm so

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01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: excited that you're here, and Lucy Lee's like fuck wrote

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: out like I'm not quoting it, but I'm only interested

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Speaker 1: talking to the men, right and then and then Melissa

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01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: McCarthy's left in the dust and she like calls after

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Speaker 1: like you bitch, and the whole exchange passes because Lucy

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Speaker 1: Lose like I heard that, and she likes it. She

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Speaker 1: liked that she called her a bit. She's like, I

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01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: was planning, she was being dominatrix. It was just being domed.

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Speaker 1: So it does pass, not as much as it should,

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01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: but it does pass. Also, a lot of the conversations

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Speaker 1: are them talking about men, but as it relates to

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01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: like their job and the mission, so like it's not

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Speaker 1: men in the romantic context, it's it just happens to

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01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: be about men, but they're actually talking about the mission,

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01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: so I don't know, except when they're talking about dating

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01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: for ton of which does happen a lot. But there

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: are times, yeah, where it's like they're technically they're talking

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Speaker 1: about work, but their work always pertains to the men. Men, which,

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01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: by the way, the men in this movie are either

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Speaker 1: villains or Bosley, who is a du fust and doesn't

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01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: seem to be very competent at really anything, except for

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01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: chewing some object into the shape of a gun. It

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01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: was like or crystal or that. It was very confused. Okay,

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01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: I was like, as long as that was confusing to everybody,

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01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: just ye, just a gun out of a rock or something,

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01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: and then never used it. It never came back. Okay.

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01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: The only other man is off screen. We never see

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01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: him wheel your voice except for the back of his

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01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: head at the end. So yeah, I guess the men

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01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: are generally the enemies in this film, to the point

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01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: that we can do what we do to women two men. True, Yeah,

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01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: that's true. Yes to the Bechtel test. But the nipple scale,

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01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 1: this is actually kind of challenged. I know. So zero

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01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: to five nipples is our scale. We rate it based

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Speaker 1: on its representation of women. So taking into account everything

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01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: that we've discussed, including the bizarre and upsetting and offensive

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01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: ways in which this movie handles things like race and

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01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, cultural appropriation um, the excessive use of male

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: gaze cinematography, the underwritten female characters, the far too much

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01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: emphasis on the romantic relationships. Also, just in terms of

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01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the three main characters, there's just absolutely no diversity in

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01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: terms of body shape and size. They are all extremely thin,

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01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: conventionally attractive women, and uh, you know, it would be

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01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 1: nice to see more inclusion in terms of body size

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01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: and shape by diversity, and especially the early two thousands

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01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: is such a particularly brutal time for policing women's bodies

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01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: in this way. Um, which just makes it all the

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: more frustrating that this movie didn't do anything to support that.

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01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: For sure, I would say this only it's like one

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01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: and a half nipples, like great that it is like

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01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: a female driven action franchise. It was this box office hit,

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01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: three million budget and a two hundred sixty three million

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01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: box It was very successful. Okay, so people saw it.

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01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 1: And while it is not necessarily an inclusive and progressive

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: feminist text, it is I know, I know, hear me out.

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01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: I suppose it was a stepping stone for stuff to

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Speaker 1: come later. So I'm gonna give it one and a

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01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: half nipples, and uh, I'll give one half to each

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Speaker 1: of my gals, Lucy. Actually no, I'm going to give

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01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: all one and a half to Lucy Luke, who was

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01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: drastically underpaid. I had no idea that much. That's absurd. Yeah, yeah,

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01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one. I think it's like, it's a

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01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: fun movie, but I wouldn't never recommend it to anyone,

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01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: not even as really a hate watch. It is like

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Speaker 1: very of its time. I respect that it, you know,

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01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 1: just a female lead project doing well at the box office,

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: even if it was written, directed, and everything else besides

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01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: two female producers has everything to do with men, male

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01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: gaze and horny girls. Um, I love horny girls, but

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01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: not when they're written by men. I just don't. So yeah,

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01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, and and for all for all reasons

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01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: you're describing, I gna give it one fun romp hate

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01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: Bill Murray and you know mcg I checked it. I

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01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: checked in Hill McGee, like I texted him, but I

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01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: checked in to see what he's up to. And he

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01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: just produced Tall Girl on Netflix. So still into female

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01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 1: lead things, right, I'm just like, maybe I would hope

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01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: that the men who are responsible for writing and directing

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01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: this movie have since tried to move on, and it

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01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: seems like that is sort of the case. I want

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01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: to give people room for growth. Mcg is now producing

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01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: Tall Girl. Haven't seen it. I'm tall I'm interested. John

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01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: August wrote the Aladdin reboot that came out this year,

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Speaker 1: and I think he tried to write a song about

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01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: women in it, right, he was like, I should have

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: a job like that was Jasmin has given some political

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01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: aspirations in that movie and a female friend. Okay, so

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01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: so you know everyone's were all. But it gets one nipple, obviously,

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01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: and it goes to Lucy Liu. I guess I'd say

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a whole too. Sure, two nipples

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: because they tried, you know, they worked with the tools

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Speaker 1: they were given in the year two thousand. They didn't

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Speaker 1: know no better. And also it was really cool seeing

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01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: women kick ass. I did think the action scenes were

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01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: really fun. I did have fun watching the movie. There

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01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of points where I was eye rolling

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01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh god, this is nuts. But

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01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: also when it came out, I don't think I felt

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01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: that way like any of us did. We just didn't

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01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: know better. I like, harness action is what I've learned.

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01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: I really like it cool. But yeah, I think it

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01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: is a nudge in the right direction, and that hopefully

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Speaker 1: there were a bunch of girls who saw that when

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01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: they were young and we're like, cool, maybe I could

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01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: be an astronaut who rides horses and disarms bombs and

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01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: also dates. It does kind of at all. It does

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01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: sound like asking a little girl like what do you

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01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: want to be when you grow like I want to

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: be an astronaut but also a horseback rider and also this,

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01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, we'll tell you it, got you,

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Speaker 1: got it? Oh, So thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you online? And what would you

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: like to plug up? While my Instagram and my Twitter

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Speaker 1: handles are at the Sheer Truth th Sheer Truth, and

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Speaker 1: I have a podcast called best Friends with my best

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Speaker 1: friend Nicole Buyer, and we do live shows sometimes and

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Speaker 1: you can find that on our twitters as well. When

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Speaker 1: we said what we when we have them? And I

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Speaker 1: want a movie called The Weekend. It's on Amazon and

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Speaker 1: iTunes right now and on demand and it's a fun

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Speaker 1: rom com that I'm pretty sure passes the Bechtel test.

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Speaker 1: I didn't check, but I'm pretty sure it does does.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that's it. Awesome, Thanks agin, thank you, thank you.

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