1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Tuesday, December second edition of the 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: First order of business, got to get to it right away, 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: just to get it on your radar, because we do have, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: thanks to one of us being a born and raised 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee and in fact a Nashvillian, more specifically, very important 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: seventh Congressional District in Tennessee, Afton Baine, trying to get 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: sneaky and take this seat away from the Republican mister 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Van Epps, and I think that we need to make 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: sure that doesn't happen. My friends, you need to get 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: out and devote. Today is election day. It is happening 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: special election, special election. Do not be caught napping on 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: this one. This is important because if nothing else, they 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: will make fun of and antagonize our good friend Clay 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: every day if he has basically the most left wing 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: member of Congress in the United States Congress as his 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: home Congress. It's not just Clay. You got a hold 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: basically the whole Daily Wire. Shapiro doesn't live there, but 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the Daily Wires there. Matt Walsh, I 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: think is in the area right. Does Matt Walsh live roughly. 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: In Matt Walsh is there, Michael Knowles, our friend Riley Gaines, 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Tommy Kandarren Canvas Owens. 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: So it's a lot, It's a lot. This is like, 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: this is a hometown fight here for the seventh Congressional 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: and all of you who are listening need to get 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: out and need to vote. Let's not give the Democrats 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: something early to celebrate going into. 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: This this morning. So I'm telling you to do exactly 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: what I did. I dropped my son off at school 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: and then I walked right into the precinct there and 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: I voted. So I'm asking everybody in from the border 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: of Kentucky to the border of Alabama the seventh congressional district. 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: I even had a friend text me and say, hey, 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: I thought that that was my district, right to go 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: to my polling place. There was no race, there was 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: no election going Okay, you did your part because this 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: is a new this is a new district in many ways, 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: and a lot of people are not aware of this 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: race going on. So I went on with Sean Hannity 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: last night. We've been talking about it like crazy on 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: this program. I feel like I have done everything I 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: can to help make people aware. This race is happening, 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: and today is the last day to go vote. 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: So you got to get out there and vote. We've 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: talked about the race, You've heard it, you know what's 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: going on, you know the issues here. Just gonna be 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: giving you reminders today during the show, because of course 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: we are live here for three hours with you. It's 49 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: a great time to be listening to Clay and Buck 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: on your way to go vote in that district. So 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: get out there and get it done, all right. Other things, 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: the drug vote controversy, and Venezuela, the Caribbean unusual for 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: it to be quite the scene of action that it 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: is now, but the Caribbean and Venezuela and the drug 55 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: trade are all very much in the headlines. Pete Hegset 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: the Secretary of War, getting a lot of heat, a 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: lot of criticism, no surprise for these strikes, and there's 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: been some reporting that has now contested about a double tap, 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: if you will, on one of these boats. I think 60 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: was the first boat strike. Actually, we're gonna discuss some 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: of that and also the implications for Venezuela, where it 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: is now being said the President has given Maduro was 63 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: it to Friday Sorry Tuesday Friday deadline. Trump went on 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: a truth posting bonanza last night, posting truths to truth 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: social We will get into some of those. The cabinet 66 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: is meeting currently, will bring you the highlights of that. 67 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: The Trump Cabinet Caroline Levitt also had a fire repress 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: conference yesterday. We'll bring you some of the best moments 69 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: from that. Zora Mamdani is being a crazy commie. Tom 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: Homan is saying the Biden administration it wasn't bad enough 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: for them to let ten million illegals flood the country. Clay. 72 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: They also said, you know what, let's just take in 73 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: all these Afghans and not vet them at all. Basically, 74 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: you raise your hand and say, hey, I did great 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: things for America. You owe me. Okay, we'll take you. Hmm. 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: Not a good idea. Not a good idea. But let's 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: talk first about the drug boat situation. 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: Here, Clay. 79 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: Now they're they're making a thing of this, and we've 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: discussed this. They really have wanted to take Secretary Hegseeth 81 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: off of the chess board from the very beginning. I 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: think the media has gone after Trump. Would would you 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: co sign this one. In term two, Pete has been 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: targeted number two after Trump. Trump's always target number one. 85 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: I think that's accurate. 86 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: I think Cash Patel has moved now number through the 87 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: number three spot on the attack list, and I think 88 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: we've kind of stayed in that range. I think there 89 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: would be probably a big off. I mean, Ewon obviously 90 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: was not in the cabinet, but he was probably the 91 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: most attacked in the first six months or so of Trump. 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: But in the cabinet, I think heg Seth's one. I 93 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: think that then Cash Bettel is two, and I would 94 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: you agree with me, there's a huge drop off after 95 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: those two. I don't even know who the third biggest 96 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: target would be. It's been like just kind of alternating 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: between heg Seth and with Cash. 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: They have been trying to go after David Sachs as 99 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: well lately. The Crypto and Ais are who we would 100 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: like to get on this program soon to talk about 101 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: what he's doing. But he's a very savvy cat and 102 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: has been not only able to defend himself very effectively 103 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: without having to do very much because a lot of 104 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: the stuff that they're saying is just not true. Other 105 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: people have been coming to his defense as well, saying 106 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: he's in this position of he has so much money, 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: money has very little meeting for him. He actually thinks 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: that he's helping the country and that's why he's in 109 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: this special advisory role, special employee to the administration. But 110 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: we can get more into that too. But they wanted 111 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: they want hag Seth out, They want to be able 112 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: to show the Democrat base, Hey, we can still call 113 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: the shots in the media. We can still get a scalp, 114 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: so to speak. And so this is where we're talking about, 115 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: not just the boat strikes, which I'm going to tell 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: you right now, Clay. They're going to impeach Trump over 117 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: this if they win the House. All right, I do 118 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: you have any doubt whatsoever about that. 119 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: I don't know. 120 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: They're going to be over this specifically, they're going to 121 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: impeach him, probably over whatever. I mean, they're going to 122 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: find something to impeach him over. We agree one hundred 123 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: percent that they will impeach him for a third time 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: for still impeach if they win the House. 125 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is top of 126 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: the list, and that's why they're so dug in on this. 127 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: I believe it. They're going to try to make the 128 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: case that that these are war crimes. That's exactly, and 129 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: they're already saying it, so it's that's not a stretch 130 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: at all. But they also want to use it to 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: it as a cudgel to force Secretary of warhag Seth 132 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: out of office. Here is I mean, for example, for example, 133 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: here is former Deputy Assistant ag This is cut eight. John, 134 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: wait before we played the cut. So the claim Clay, 135 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: so we're clear on this is that Pete, let's call 136 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: on Pete. Sometimes we know oversaw and was watching in 137 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: real time a strike on the first of these boats, 138 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: and that they hit the boat, you know, jaysack blew 139 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: this boat up, and then there was wreckage. There was 140 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, pieces of it, and there were a couple 141 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: of guys who were clinging to the wreckage. And then 142 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: the order that the affmative order was given to send 143 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: a second missile strike to kill the guys who were 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: clinging to the records. That's the claim. This is disputed. 145 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Here is though, what it's being said by people in 146 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: the media now about this play eight. 147 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: If you look at the US Law of warm Manual, 148 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: which is the definitive interpretation of the way we fight. 149 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 5: The laws of armed conflict for the United States, it 150 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: says clearly that you are not allowed to give orders 151 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 5: that say no survivors. Commanders are not allowed to give 152 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 5: ors say no quarter, and so hagg Seth can't give 153 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 5: that command legally. Also, again there are gray errors, but 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 5: on one area that's not gray that's clear is you 155 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 5: can't fire on the wounded. You can't kill survivors who 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 5: can no longer fight. So the admiral should not have 157 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 5: obeyed the order that Secretary Hegseth gave, and even the 158 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 5: soldiers who carried out the admiral's orders should not have obeyed. 159 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: Clay. Lawyer Clay work us through this a bit. 160 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: Okay, So Warrior Clay, let me first say, I obviously 161 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: don't have firsthand knowledge, but if I were making a 162 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: case here, there are several angles that I think would 163 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: be in play. Let me start with defending the decision. 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: If this were what happened from them, I think they 165 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: can say this wasn't a set can strike to kill survivors. 166 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: The boat was still operable, and we were concerned that 167 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: we hadn't fulfilled the original mission. Right, You can hit 168 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: a boat or a vehicle multiple times if you do 169 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: not believe you have actually rendered it to be anoperable. 170 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: In other words, I think there's probably a defense that, hey, 171 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: the first strike did not do the complete damage that 172 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: was necessary. We did a second strike on top of it. 173 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: I also think that there is potentially an issue here 174 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: where if there are prisoners taken, then there is going 175 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: to be a legal challenge to whether the president has 176 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: the authority to undertake these actions, and do we then 177 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: have an obligation to go rescue the survivors all these 178 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: other different things. I think that could be in play. 179 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: But again, what are the facts, What were the exact orders, 180 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: What was the intent of the order? Remember, there are 181 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: all sorts of issues out there where we have an 182 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: attack that is ordered and it's the wrong attack, right. 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: We talked about this on the program before. In Afghanistan, 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: we killed an innocent family. We thought the guy was 185 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: a terrorist that obviously got a decent amount of attention. 186 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: So there are errors of interpretation that occur on these 187 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: strikes too. I think it's very hard to know direct 188 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: intent right. Well, we have to know the facts here. 189 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: The facts are not agreed upon, and I would say. 190 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: One thing that has been established for a long time 191 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: by the Obama administration, among others, but the Obama administration 192 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: really accelerated it was the signature drone strikes where they 193 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: would hit a target based upon a series of factors 194 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: that were not one hundred percent and clearly not because 195 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: they did blow up women and children sometimes. And this 196 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: was going on in Pakistan, a country with which we 197 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: were not actually at war, and a country that we 198 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: were pretending publicly, at least for a long time in 199 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: the Obama years. Oh no, we're not doing drone strikes there. 200 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: That's classified. 201 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: The New York Times was writing front page stories about it, 202 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: but the Obama administration, clay to avoid dealing with it 203 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: in public, would just say that there's you know, it's classified. 204 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: We're we're not talking about that. That was accepted by 205 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: all of the people who currently are sitting around angry 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: at the Trump administration or supposedly anger at Trump administration 207 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: for what's going on here. So we do know that 208 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: there are civilian casualties from strikes that are based on 209 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: presidential authority. That does happen, But as you pointed out, 210 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: it as accidental here. It would be to the point 211 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: made by John You. Now, John You, why do they 212 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: have John You making the rounds everybody? A little bit 213 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: of history if we all recall twenty years back or so, 214 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: he was the so called torture memo guy under the 215 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: Bush administration, so he was tied to enhanced interrogation techniques. 216 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: So what you have now is the media having former 217 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General John You under Bush, a Republican, saying 218 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: if you give an order for no survivors, that that's 219 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: a war crime. And this is from the guy who 220 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: was like, we got to waterboard people. Sometimes you gotta 221 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. 222 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: And again all of this comes in rising tension with Venezuela. 223 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: Again we should mention also there's a cabinet meeting going 224 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: on right now. Trump is taking questions. We're monitoring it 225 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: in real time. As you said off the top, the 226 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: biggest part of this story is there is a report 227 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: that Trump has given Maduro and his family until Friday 228 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: to vacate the country or potentially we are going to 229 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: take him out and install a more democratic government in Venezuela, 230 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 2: which tons of people have a lot of opinions on. 231 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: I said yesterday on the program I stand by it. 232 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: I think that this can be akin to the strikes 233 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: that happened in Iran in that they are very strategic 234 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: and ultimately beneficial for the overall country. And we have 235 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: tons of you out there that are Venezuelan. I mean 236 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: Buck lives in Miami, which is filled with tons of 237 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: Venezuelan refugees. As we said yesterday on the program, Venezuela 238 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: has the largest deposit of oil, certainly in the Western Hemisphere, 239 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: and used to be a thriving country that was very, 240 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: very successful before the Maduro and that regime came into power. 241 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: Third richest country in the world after the United States 242 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: and Canada per capita at one point in recent memory. 243 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, Venezuela should be doing great. It's not. Turns 244 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: out that communism ruins everything. Guys who could have known, well, 245 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: anybody who pays attention to history. We'll talk more about 246 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: this though, because I know, on the one hand we 247 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: hate commis. On the other hand, we also hate regime 248 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: change and rebuilding operations for other countries, and there are 249 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: people that are concerned that that may be something that 250 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: we face here sooner than later when it comes to Venezuela. 251 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: We'll discuss. Want to hear from you as well. Also, 252 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: if we have any Ventnezuelan refugees or Venezuelan Americans play 253 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: listening right now, if you want to weigh in on 254 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: this one, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts 255 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: on should we topple Maduro? Should we just keep the 256 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: pressure on? How involved should we be? What do you 257 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: think is going to happen here? No doubtkay, yes, no doubt. 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They're not talking about 295 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: that right now. It appears the lutnik is talking right now. 296 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: I'm watching the press conference is be the cabinet meeting 297 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: is being carried live right now on Fox News. Here's 298 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: what the press secretary for the Department of War just said. 299 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: Buck. 300 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the Secretary of says 301 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: Kingsley Cortes. At the end of the day, the Secretary 302 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: and the President are the ones directing these strikes, any 303 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: follow on strikes like those that were directed by Admiral 304 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: Batt Bradley. The Secretary one hundred percent agrees with Secretary 305 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: has been very clear in every statement we've released about 306 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: these strikes. They're presidentially directed. Chain of command functions as 307 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: it should. We make sure commanders on the ground their 308 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: positions are taken into account. They're able to tell us 309 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: make decisions if they see things that need to be flagged. 310 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the Secretary and 311 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: the President are the ones directing these strikes any follow 312 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: on strikes like those which were directed by Admiral Bradley. 313 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: The Secretary one hundred percent agrees with. That is a 314 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: full quote shared by Mary Margaret Olahan, who works for 315 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: the Daily Wire at the White House, and that is 316 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: from the Department of Wars Press Secretary Kingsley Cortes. So Buck, 317 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: we will talk a bit more about this when we 318 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: come back, and we'll try to get that audio of 319 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: Secretary of War headset addressing that directly, which just happened 320 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: in the last couple of minutes. 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Go to saberradio dot com and you 337 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: get fifteen percent off at the website today. That's sab 338 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: r radio dot com eight four four eight two four 339 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: safe Saberradio dot Com eight four four eight two four safe. 340 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. 341 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: A lot of news happening in real time here, and 342 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: we are monitoring, we are bringing it to you. There's 343 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: a cabinet meeting underway right now. You got Trump, HeiG Seth, Duffy, 344 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: you got lut Nick. I mean, you've got all these 345 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: different top officials of the Trump administration who are weighing 346 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: in on a whole range of things. But we were 347 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: just talking about these strikes on these lethal strikes on 348 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: Narco terrorist boats in the Caribbean. Secretary of War Hegg 349 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: Seth addressed this just a moment ago. We wanted to 350 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: let you hear from him what's going on. Play thirty three, and. 351 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 6: Then it's getting after going after Narco terrats and designated 352 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 6: terrorist organizations in our own hemisphere. As I've said, I'm saying. 353 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: Again, we've only just begun. 354 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 6: Striking narco boats and putting Narco terraces at the bottom 355 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 6: of the ocean because they've been poisoning the American people. 356 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 6: And Joe Biden tried to approach it with kick loops, 357 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 6: allowed them to come across the border, cartels, takeover community, 358 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 6: twenty million people, hundreds of thousands of Americans poisoned, and 359 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 6: President Trump said, no, we're taking the gloves off. 360 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: We're taking the fight. 361 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 6: To these designated terror organizations. 362 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're doing. 363 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 6: So we're stopping the drugs, we're striking the boats, we're 364 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 6: defeating narco terrorists, and we're saying to you, may say 365 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 6: one thing that drugs coming in through the same by 366 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 6: seeing are down ninety one percent, and I don't know 367 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 6: who the nine percent is. 368 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure either. 369 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 6: Circus down ninety one percent by seeing. We've had a 370 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 6: bit of a pause because it's hard to find boats 371 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 6: to strike right now, which is the entire point. Right 372 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 6: deterrence has to matter, not arrested, handover and then do 373 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 6: it again. The ricent repeat approach of previous administrations. This 374 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 6: is meant to get aft after that approach. And I 375 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 6: will just end by saying, as President Trump always has 376 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 6: our backs. 377 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: We always have the back of our commanders who are making. 378 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 6: Decisions in difficult situations, and we do in this case 379 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 6: and all these strikes. They're making judgment calls and ensuring 380 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: that they defend the American people think they are the 381 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 6: right things. 382 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: Will keep doing that, and we had their backs, which 383 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: presidents good year, Thank you very much so, Clay, that's 384 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: the latest. That was just moments ago from Secretary warhecks 385 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: A at this a cabinet meeting that they're holding. And 386 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: I would just say, first of all, isn't it amazing 387 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: when you just compare this This is a little bit 388 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: of a side note, but the transparency, the willingness to 389 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: face the media to discuss direct with the American people 390 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: what's going on in this administration, Compared to imagine if 391 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: it was just a random Tuesday and Joe Biden had 392 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: all this top people around unscripted just taking questions from 393 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: the press, Clay, it would not have happened as and 394 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: we all know why he had dementia. They were hiding him. 395 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: The whole thing was a scam. The whole Biden administration 396 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: was a scam, unfortunately, a scam on all the American people, 397 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: and the stuff that's gone on with the border as 398 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: well as the mass importation of fentandol was hugely and 399 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: dramatically worsened by the Biden scam. But Clay right now, 400 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different polling on this, 401 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: and you could try to the way they craft these questions. 402 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: I think by and large Republicans are supportive of strikes 403 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: on narco terrorist boats. Democrats obviously are not. That's not 404 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: a surprise at all, and they're hoping that they can 405 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: find a way to create a wedge within Trump supporters 406 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: on this issue. I don't think that's gonna happen. I 407 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: think the regime change issue in Venezuela is where things 408 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: get a little stickier for Maggot. 409 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's all connected. I do wonder again, 410 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: if this is on video, they are going to continue 411 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: to kind of chip away at the overall story. And 412 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: I would imagine we've seen a lot of the video 413 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: attacks released on the ships. My surmisal would be that 414 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: the story will become the boat was still operable, there 415 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: were there was a possibility that the drugs would continue 416 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: to be you know, conduited on that boat, and so 417 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: we ordered to second strike to end the feasibility of 418 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: the boat's ability to do the job that is trying 419 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: to do. That's my bet as to what the story 420 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: is going to be. In other words, they're gonna say 421 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 2: the physical structure itself was targeted for a second strike, 422 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: not the potential survivors. But I do think this is 423 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: going to turn into a I do think it's going 424 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: to turn a story. 425 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Now. 426 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: This also, I think goes on some level to who 427 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: Democrats are going to bat for. Remember our good buddy 428 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: kill maar A Breo Garcia, who they initially attempted to 429 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: make the face of Trump's deportation policy Maryland, Dad kill 430 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: a Breo Garcia. That story has vanished because I think 431 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: they recognize, Yeah, this is not really the focal point 432 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: of a face to make people disagree with the policy. 433 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 2: I don't think Narco tears and boats are going to 434 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: be particularly sympathetic plainiffs. And when I use that for 435 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: a sympathetic plaintiffs, anybody out there who is a defense 436 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: attorney has experienced this. When you file a lawsuit, you 437 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: want to tell the best story of your lawsuit, frequently 438 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: involving moms. 439 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: You know. 440 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: Ever, notice how kids who file lawsuits are always honorable students, 441 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, this poor, honorable student was just 442 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: disrespected in a visual era. Isn't it amazing how often 443 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: pretty girls are you were talking about this, This NYU 444 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: student who became a victim, was attacked on the streets 445 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: in New York City. It's become a story, these captivating 446 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: stories because they're young, innocent, attractive people. They grab attention 447 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: in a way that is that is captivating to many 448 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: different people out there in the media. I mean, you 449 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: can say, remember the Idaho killers, those young innocent kids 450 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: Moscow are Moscow rather Moscow outside of the University of Idaho, 451 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: Lake and Riley. I think one reason that it cuts 452 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: through the noise. She's a young innocent college nursing student 453 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: who is murdered by an illegal immigrant. I think that 454 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: it's hard to make people think, you know, I'm really 455 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: concerned about narco terrorists. So I think the challenge cutting 456 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: through this noise is and it goes both ways, right 457 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: when you come to these stories, because right now they're 458 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: trying to make a story. Oh, look at this nineteen 459 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: year old college student who was deported. Oh she can 460 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: you believe this is happening. They're trying to find a 461 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: story that is captivating young innocent people. Most people, I 462 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: don't think see Narco boat captain pilots and their staff 463 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: that are trying to smuggle drugs into the country as 464 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: perticularly sympathetic plants. So I think that factors in here 465 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: into how the media is going to be able to 466 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: cover it. 467 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure the administration is more than a little bit 468 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: aware of this, But to your point Clay about the 469 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: public's perception of these strikes and how they're going. As 470 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: long as we're getting Narco terrorists, I think the administra 471 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: and we're certain of this. I think the administration is 472 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: going to certainly have support of a lot of Republicans 473 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: in this. They just got to make sure they don't 474 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: pull a Biden administration with what we saw in Afghanistan 475 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: where they blew up. If I remember a dad and 476 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: seven kids in a cause right that they said was 477 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: a suicide bomber's vehicle, and it was not seven children 478 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: they blew up, and that was after we lost marines 479 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: because of the haphazard and disastrous withdrawal of the Biden administration. 480 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: So we took losses, We lost our marines to enemy 481 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: to an enemy attack, and then we blew up a 482 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: car full of children because the Biden administration was so 483 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: frantic to look like they had some idea of what 484 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: they were doing in response to us losing some of 485 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: our marines in that earlier suicide bomber attack. So this 486 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: is this look, this is we're talking about a war 487 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: on narco terrorist. This is high stake stuff. And I 488 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: know that Secretary of War Heags Death is very focused 489 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: in on this right now. 490 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: It's clearly a political or rather the Democrats see this 491 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: as a political opportunity to go after this administration. A 492 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: lot of people weighing in on this one, Clay. I mean, 493 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: here's Senator Chris Coon's Democrat obviously, who's trying to use 494 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: this as an attack. 495 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: Play cut five. 496 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 7: This incident that was just covered by the Washington Post 497 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 7: in recent days suggests that a war crime may have 498 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 7: been committed, and I think Secretary Hegseeth likely gave the order. 499 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 7: I know Admiral Bradley, he's the SOCOM commander, he came 500 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 7: up through the ranks. He is decorated, He's experienced, he seasoned. 501 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 7: He was one of the first Americans into Afghanistan after 502 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 7: nine to eleven. I'd be very surprised if he did 503 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 7: this on his own without direct support or a command 504 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 7: from the secretary. 505 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm why it's worth I think people hearing that's just play. 506 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: This is all about getting heagset. Yeah, this is a 507 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: get hegseth operation for the Democrats in the media. 508 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: Now, well, look, the intent is not to UH, is 509 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 2: not to make the country better. The intent is to 510 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: get headset. And I think that's the key here that 511 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: we hit on to start the show. Hegset is target one. 512 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: Target two right now is Cash Pttel, and they have 513 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: decided to focus all of their media attacks on that duo, 514 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: and frankly, most everybody else has been either ignored or unscathed. 515 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: You know, they tried probably Pambondi. I would say Buck 516 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: is probably third on that list. We were talking about 517 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: the target list, but I would say to a large extent, 518 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: the pam Bondi attacks, actually a lot of them came 519 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: from the right because of the ham handed way they 520 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: initially handled the Epstein when they brought the influencers out 521 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: and they had the briefing in the Epstein files and 522 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: everything else, So some of that fire on Bondi came 523 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: internally from the Republican Party. I think she's probably third 524 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: on the list of cabinet member attacks. But clearly heg 525 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: Seth from the moment he was nominated has been target one, 526 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: and Cash Pattel right now I think is target two. 527 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: I will tell you that Democrats, from what I understand Clay, 528 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: one of the reasons Bondi is not higher on their 529 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: list is they don't view her as as effective as 530 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: some of these other I'm just this is from a 531 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: Democrat perspective. They know that Pete can't handle the media, 532 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: isn't going to back down align with Trump. 533 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: They know that Cash aligned with Trump, you know, isn't 534 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: going to back down for media pressure and is trying 535 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: reform or reform agenda there. I will say, we do 536 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: need to establish though, if we're gonna have people from 537 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: administration speaking on this issue, Okay, is it that the 538 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: boat was still we need to fact to be clear. 539 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: That's we need to be clear. That's because it's my argument. 540 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: I do think you have a very hard time if 541 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: you're if the argument is that this is a lethal 542 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: threat against the United States because they're designated narco terrorists 543 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: in a boat traveling to the US with fentil, that's 544 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: going to kill people. Okay, that's the argument. They're operating 545 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: under presidential authority. Once the boat is disabled, there is 546 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: no longer any chance of those drugs making it to 547 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: the homeland and there and these men are not in 548 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: the fight. They are bobbing around in the water. I 549 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: do not think you can follow up with finish them off. 550 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: I do not think that that is covered in the 551 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: laws of war, the Geneva Conventions or ethics. So there 552 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: just needs to be cleared because I'm seeing people say, yeah, 553 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: if we have to hit them again, we hit them again. 554 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I think that's wrong. And if you if you want 555 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: to check how this went in World War Two, the 556 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: Nazis infamously and the U boat commanders would machine gun survivors, 557 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: including million off people in the US Navy British Navy 558 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: would machine gun them in the water. They were brought 559 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: up on war crimes for that. They were not able 560 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: to say, well, you could still swim and maybe make 561 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: it to shore and then you could get back in 562 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: the fight. So we do need to have some clarity 563 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: on where the limits are here, which is why my 564 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: argument is boat is the target. If I if I 565 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: am lawyer Clay. 566 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: Who is representing these individuals in a in an investigation, 567 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: and look again, this is where I come back to 568 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: what is on tape, what is on audio? What evidence 569 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: is out there? 570 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: We haven't seen it fully at least if you jump 571 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: on your on your on your lawyer Clay point there. 572 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: You know Clay from self defense perspective, and someone you 573 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: know who conceal carries here and does a fair amount 574 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: of shooting and spends time with the two a community 575 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: in South Florida. You always say stop the threat. You 576 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: say when you call in, if you have to defend 577 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: yourself with a firearm, you say, on the victim of 578 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: a crime, you know, here's my address company. You do 579 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: not say, Yeah, some guy came in. I shot him 580 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: and then he was making his way out of my house, 581 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: so I chased him on the front lawn. I put 582 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: two in the back of his head. You're going to 583 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: prison for a long time if you do that, as 584 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: you should. Yeah, that's you know what I mean. There's 585 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: there's a difference there are kicked his. 586 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: I kicked his gun away, and then I put my 587 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: gun up against his head and killed him. Like that's 588 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: not you know, at some point, when you eliminate the threat, 589 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: you're not allowed to continue to career. 590 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: More So, I'm just gonna say that the facts to 591 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: what Clay was saying, the facts are now, or rather 592 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: the facts that are being put forward are. You know, 593 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: they did not do a follow up strike to finish 594 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: survivors off. That order was not given. This is what 595 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: the Pentagon is saying. That order was not given and 596 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: the boat may still have been, you know, capable of continuing. 597 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: That's why the second strike came. That all you could 598 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: argue thing legally. I do not think we want to 599 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: hear people from the pro Trump side of things saying 600 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: there were a couple of guys who had already been 601 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: hit with a missile, who were in the middle of 602 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: the ocean or middle of the Caribbean clinging to refuse, 603 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: and we hit him again. By the way, I don't 604 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: believe that that happened here. I think this is a 605 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: hit piece. I just want to be clear. But there 606 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: are people who are trying to say that that would 607 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: be lawful too, just because they're on the team, so 608 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: to speak. And I do not think that's a good 609 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: place to go because you're opening yourself up to the 610 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: other side saying your defense you would you would even 611 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: if a war crime wasn't committed, Clay, we can which 612 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe it was, to be clear, we cannot 613 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: have pro Trump people argue in favor of a clear 614 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: war crime. 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Patriots Radio hosts a couple of. 639 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 4: Regular guys, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on 640 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 4: the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 641 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Bock Sexton Show. We're going 642 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: to take a bunch of calls on this because a 643 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: lot of you have a variety of takes. Bobby in 644 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 2: Maine up first says he was in military intelligence. What's 645 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: your take on the Venezuelan boat strike story? 646 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: So, Clay and Buck, here's the bottom line. This is 647 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 3: Bobby Charles I was in charge of all counter narcotics 648 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: in three zero four h five as the Assistant Secretary 649 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: of State, also ten years naval intelligence and an attorney. 650 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 3: The bottom line is what they are doing is well 651 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 3: within the law. A Number one, and I think Clay, 652 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: you probably or both of you know this. There is 653 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 3: a legal opinion somewhere justifying exactly what they're doing. Number two, 654 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 3: there would be no finish off order. Hegseeth was in 655 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: the military. He knows very well you can't do that. 656 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: But here are the two facts people don't know. The 657 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: United States government has long supported shootdown policies by foreign countries, 658 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: including Peru, in which we shot down any plane that 659 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 3: we had cued intelligence for, or we allowed them to 660 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 3: shoot down the plane if it was known to be 661 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 3: carrying narcotics and avoiding interception. The second thing is in 662 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 3: our latoral waters, legally all of our we have Coast 663 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 3: Guard Blackhawks up there, jayhawks that are fully armed, and 664 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: they have a sniper with a sling in the open 665 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 3: door in order to shoot out the engines of these boats. 666 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 3: So point number one the law. They are well within 667 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: the law when they take an enemy combat and designated 668 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 3: as a foreign terrorist organization that does not stop. They 669 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 3: have cute intelligence, they know they can hit it. They 670 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 3: hit it. They would be outside the law if they 671 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 3: did a finish off order for survivors. I guarantee you 672 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 3: they did not do that. 673 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: So can I just say, I think that what you're saying, sir, 674 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: you have deep expertise in this. That's what we're I 675 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: think we're all in agreement here. That's that we're We 676 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: think it's lawful to do the strikes, but it wouldn't 677 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: be lawful to do a finish off order if the 678 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: guys were floating in the water. 679 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 3: So heag sets was a military officer, he knows very 680 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 3: well what the orders are. He knows the UCMJ probably inside. 681 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: Out right, and I don't think he gave that order. 682 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: So again, I think we're all keep him, keep them, 683 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: Let's keep talking to this guy. We'll keep the conversation 684 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: going an hour two next