WEBVTT - 18 Strikes & You're Out! 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.160 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.880 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty Armstrong and 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:17.280 Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.759 Speaking of the Pope, the trading card company Tops said 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.800 that Pope Leo's new card just became their best selling. 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.760 Nonsports trading card of all time. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.159 My guess is, if you collect pope trading cards, you're 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.519 probably more celibate than the Pope. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:43.120 I'm just saying, boy ouch, I see his point. I'm kidding. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.480 Talking to Tim Sander for this hour of the Goldwater 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:52.080 Institute about the recent Supreme Court oral arguments about ostensibly 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.320 the birthright citizenship question the Fourteenth Amendment, But what most 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.200 of the hearing was about was can a single federal 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.160 judge issue anation wide injunction and stop an administration from 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:08.440 executing its policy for a significant amount of time? What 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.600 are the reasons why that's a good idea and what 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:11.920 are the reasons why it's a bad idea? 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.440 And we'll discuss that. Yeah, looking forward to it. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:21.480 Will be a little cerebral, so you know, get yourself 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:22.120 in the right. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.320 Mood, bring your brain well. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.600 It sure is tiring to every time the a president 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.000 does something, then you get alerts on your phone. A 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.240 judge in Minneapolis has said no, Joe Biden can't do that, 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:36.360 and then another judge. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.360 Somewhere else says, yes he can. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.480 It's back on, and you know the back and forth, right, Yeah, exactly. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.440 It's an interesting challenge because that sort of thing has 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.920 been skyrocketing in recent years. They it was practically unknown 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.280 for the first one hundred and fifty years of our country, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.720 and then there it happened once or twice here and 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.120 there every decade and a half. And now it's like 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.680 every three weeks. So anyway, more on that to come. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.520 Headline today. Of more immediate concern, I think to most 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.560 folks is from the Wall Street Journal tech department. Meta 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.840 battles an epidemic of scams as criminals flood Instagram and Facebook. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.160 And this is by the standards of like six months ago. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.560 It's a flood. Compared to that, fake puppies and phony 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.520 offers of mouthwatering bargains are often seated by overseas crime networks. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.160 Employees see say the company is reluctant to impede its 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.720 advertising juggernauts. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.040 So I did start to get into Facebook Marketplace because 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.440 somebody told me I mentioned I was using Craigslist for something. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:38.080 They said, Craigslist. Nobody uses Craigslist anymore. Everything's on Facebook Marketplace. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.160 I thought, okay, I'm probably behind the times. But particularly 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.000 I was looking for coincidentally, an Apple Vision pro headset, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.800 and there were so many, so cheap, and it was like, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.240 you know, deal's too good to be true. And then 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.960 I started doing a little researching and there's lots of 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.480 fake Apple products out there. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:56.520 And then so. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.400 Then I just don't know how much of the marketplace 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.880 thing is phony, and I just kind of bailed on 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:00.560 the whole deal. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.400 But wow, yeah, yeah. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.880 They open with a guy who runs a like a 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.720 wholesale home improvement supplies garden equipment in bulk out of 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.639 a suburban Atlanta warehouse, and bunches of people have been 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.680 ripped off thinking they're buying from him, and when the 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.680 products never arrived, they all call him to complain. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.960 He has to tell them the bad news they've been swindled. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.560 Oh that sucks. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.639 Yeah, what sucks, he says, is we have to break 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:28.840 it to be layd been scammed. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.519 We don't even do online sales. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.440 We keep reporting these pages to Meta, but nothing ever 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.440 happens meta platforms. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.920 The or companies, yes. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.280 Or metas trying and they can't go as fast as 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:42.760 the people keep putting them back up. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:43.800 He can probably have. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.040 An AI bot that puts them up faster than they 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:46.960 could be taken down. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.120 That's possible, although that's not what the article suggests. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:51.480 Okay. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.760 Meta platforms is increasingly a cornerstone of the Internet fraud economy. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.960 According to regulators, banks, and internal documents reviewed by the journal, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.280 The company accounted for nearly half of all reported scams 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.840 on Zel. It's a payment service you might use. The 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.440 peer to peer payment platform is owned by several banking giants, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.160 including JP Morgan and Wells Fargo. Other banks that offer 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.320 Zel have experienced similarly high fraud claims originating on Meta. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.479 British and Australian regulators have found similar levels of fraud 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.280 originating on metas platforms. Internal analysis from twenty twenty two 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.360 described in company documents Likewise, found that seventy percent of 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:34.720 newly active advertisers on the platform are promoting scams, illicit goods, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.560 or low quality products. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.440 Yeah, it's interesting because Craigslist was huge for a long time, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.800 destroyed newspapers across the country. We all went to Craigslist, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.000 and I'm sure there were plenty of scams on Craigslist, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.080 but I didn't. I wasn't never I used Crazelist a lot, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:56.320 never came up against a scam. But on the Facebook 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.000 marketplace it seems to be all over the place. I 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.600 wonder what the difference is. Just the Internet era that 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:01.480 we're in now. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:06.320 Is different, yes, and I think the criminal enterprises have 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.840 caught up to the opportunities. But again, going back two 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.159 and a half years, seven out of ten of newly 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.640 active advertisers or scammers of some sort or another account 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.360 information for the scam pages from the guy in Atlanta 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.680 we talked about show they are run out of China, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.919 Sri Lanka, Vietnam, and the Philippines. But they use stolen 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.360 pictures of the warehouse and list its address with more 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.040 than three billion daily users on Meta's platforms. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:36.760 Holy cow. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.880 So those are advertisers, which is different than like, I 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.719 just keep focusing on Facebook. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.160 Marketplace, right advertisers? 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.599 Well, like, go on your Facebook marketplace, tap in Apple 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.480 Watch near you and try to figure out which of 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.640 those ads are real and which are a whole bunch 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:53.920 of them have to be fake. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:55.440 Like a lot of them. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.880 Okay, well, seventy percent perhaps, But anyway, with more than 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.679 three billion daily users on Metas platforms, fraud is hardly 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.120 a new phenomenon for the company. But fed by the 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.760 rise of cryptocurrencies, generative AI, and vast overseas crime networks 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.039 based out of Southeast Asia, the immensity of metas scam 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.880 problem is growing and has been regularly flagged by employees 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:22.640 over the last several years. But here's where you get 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.799 into the are they really trying hard? As Jack, who's 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.920 plainly under the pay of Mark Zuckerberg, tried to claim. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.520 I wish I could current, Ay, Mark, I could be yeah, Mark, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:33.880 reach out to I'm. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.200 Sign to our DMS or whatever you do on Facebook, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.799 I'm not on it. But anyway, current and former employees 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.120 say Meta is reluctant to add impediments for ad buying clients, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.960 who drove a twenty two percent increase in advertising last 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.200 year to over one hundred and sixty billion dollars, even 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.680 after users demonstrate a history of scamming. If the checks 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.680 keep coming Meta Box and removing. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:02.760 Them, that's unbelievable. Well, our whole lives of You know, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.400 if you're anywhere near our age, you grew up with. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:07.119 Radio and TV. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:14.000 Every single ad you heard, minus like three were legit 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.120 and your whole life. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:21.560 I mean, just you didn't have endless scam advertisers. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.680 On radio and TV all day long, right, right, there 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.119 was some sort of gatekeeper involved. There's the occasional buyer 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.760 be where a question of quality or value or whatever, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:34.280 but not just a right you give them your money 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.480 and never get anything back. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.240 Yeah. Right. So here's here's the really damning part of this. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.880 Current and former employees say Meta is reluctant to add impediments, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.120 et cetera, et cetera. Uh one late last year document 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.720 reviewed by The Wall Street Journal shows that the company 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:54.360 will allow advertisers to accrue between eight and thirty two 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.640 automated strikes for financial fraud before it bans their accounts. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.440 I mean eight and thirty two. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.120 In instances where a Meta employee personally escalates the problem, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.800 the limit can drop to between four and sixteen. The 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:13.560 correct number is one, yeah, or zero, depending on how 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:14.000 you look at it. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.840 You know, one striking, you're out. That's crazy. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.360 And marketplace is a big part of the problem because 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.120 that is advertising, but a meta spokesmans is the company's 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.600 working to address the epidemic of scams that has grown 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.320 in scale and complexity in recent years, driven by cross 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.520 border criminal networks. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.520 And I hate to come off as a racist or 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.800 something here, but. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.400 I would look at again, looking at applevision pro headsets. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.080 They cost like three thousand dollars new, and I was 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.800 seeing them on there sometimes as low as like eight 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.600 hundred dollars, nine hundred dollars, and it. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.960 Would be attached to some Middle Eastern name. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.240 Now that doesn't automatically make it a scam, I know that, 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.760 but it seemed like all the really low priced ones 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:02.760 without a box where some foreign name yeah, and so 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.800 I don't know, and then the other end of this 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:06.760 and then we can move on. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.160 And we talked about this, I think a couple of 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:15.319 weeks ago. The report estimated organized scamming operations, often called 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.760 pig butchering groups, comprised hundreds of thousands of people. Many 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.760 of the scammers trafficked after falling for fraudulent social media 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.880 employment adds themselves kept in prison like compounds. The workers 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.640 are forced to work under threat of extreme forms of 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:31.920 torture and abuse. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.960 In the United States. No, in Southeast Asia. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.880 In Southeast Asia, yeah, I couldn't tell that are just 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.920 originated there and they're getting to people there. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.480 Okay, so getting Yeah. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.280 They have warehouses full of people who will be whipped, beaten, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.960 and tortured if they don't try to scam you, you know, 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:49.120 eighteen hours a day. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:49.760 Wow. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.920 And then this law enforcement gal who's looking into this 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.480 says the growth of this nightmarish industry stems directly from 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.360 the inaction of Meta, and to lesser extent, it's social 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:01.320 media peers. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.120 Well, all I need to hear is you have an 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.040 eighteen strikes in your out policy. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.480 I mean, what the hell is that? Yeah? 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.040 Yeah, wow, beyond buyer beware, I'm not sure I'd even 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.640 want to wade into that. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:16.600 Like I said, I bailed. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.760 I was really interested in buying an Apple product and 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.200 finally just decided it's too big a mess for me 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:22.640 to deal with. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.320 I'd forget. Hey, here's one more example. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.440 I can't resist because peer to peer sales are trade 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:34.480 of live animals are banned on Meta outside of narrow contexts. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.880 Peer to peer, So if another talk show host wanted 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:37.920 to buy a goat. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:43.559 From me, no, just like another user, okay, another facebooker. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.840 But a recent search for puppies yielded thousands of ads, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.880 most stating no affiliation with a known dog reader or 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.360 rescue organization. As Meta's rules require, other red flags abounded. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.760 Many of the results displayed common hallmarks of scams, including 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.200 stolen photos of specific pets and ads from sellers supposedly 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.720 near me who are actually operating out of Cameroon checking locations. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.520 I am not in Cameroon. I'm going to see I'm 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.440 going to see the Cameroon puppies tonight. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:19.240 They're good, but so loud. Bring earplugs. So you know 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:23.240 Facebook has these, and Instagram the Meta. You know outlets 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.679 have these alleged rules, but they have zero interest or 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.520 practically no interest in enforcing them. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.880 Zuckerberg, come on, you're smart, dude. That's some short term thinking. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.319 If enough people like me bail from the marketplace because 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.080 they think there's too many fraudsters, then you get nothing. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.320 It's like the Laffer tax curve. I mean, if everybody. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.559 Decides it's full of frauds, you're you're not gonna make 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.200 more money, You're gonna make zero money. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:55.440 Oh I'm chump. I'm channeling Mark Zuckerberg. I am gifted 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.400 in the psychic arts. He's speaking to me, speaking through me, Jack, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:00.920 I'm all already a billionaire. 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:07.360 Shut up, Mark Zuckerberg waiting in there. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.120 Or more likely he's just trying to keep these quarterly 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.040 numbers up. I'll worry about the next quarter. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:10.640 Next quarter. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.560 Scammers checks, they cash baby, that's what he's thinking. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:16.040 Wow. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.120 I wonder what we'll go to if Mark if back 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.960 to Criggs list, you're back to classified in your local newspaper. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:26.240 Radio Saturday mornings, I got a sat of snow tires. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.720 I'm willing to trade for a life boat or something similar. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.800 On numbers five, five, twelve. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.400 Twelve, Tim sander for this hour to talk about the 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.960 Supreme Court arguments from yesterday, among other things. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.680 Passenger recently shared a video of roaches in the cabin 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.200 of a Spirit Airlines flight. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:53.760 Wow, they really can survive anything. That's a twist. That's 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:54.679 a good punchline. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.959 I like that Supreme Court arguments yesterday about whether or 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.160 not all these federal judge across the country can say 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.280 no to presidents and their executive orders. And we'll discuss 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.640 that with Tim Sanderford coming up. It's pretty interesting topic. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.840 This is also an interesting topic, trying to find unbiased 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.720 or the least biased news out there. This was sent 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:23.760 to me from Ping Pong Olympics broadcaster Jim Kozmoor of 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.640 among other things that he's done in his life, he's 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.200 a big fan of News Nation and he's been trying 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.840 to get me to watch News Nation for he was 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.880 the first person ever turned me on to Fox News, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.040 like twenty five years ago. He said, fair and balanced, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.360 you gotta watch it. So I started watching Fox after 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.000 years of CNN and whatever. And then he's been hammering 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.880 News Nation for a while and he sent me this. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.800 This is this media bias chart from a company that 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.600 does this for a living. And as I've been saying, 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.160 I started watching NewsNation a couple of weeks ago, and 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:56.640 it's it's so it's so weirdly non confrontational. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.280 It almost feels drop. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.680 I am like boring, and I have to keep reminding 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:10.120 myself that confrontation isn't what you're looking for out of 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:10.960 every news story. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.240 You're just trying to get the facts. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.920 And it's just it's we're all so used to everything 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.600 being presented in a shouty way from one side anyway, 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.480 this company that looks at media bias. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:24.400 They're top four slots were all News Nation programs throughout 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:25.520 the day that had the least. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.120 Media bias, with number five being Brettbear Special Report on Fox, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.960 which is another news show we all like around here. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.480 So I just say, give it a look. It is 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:40.200 it is. It is weird if you're used to like 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.600 a strong point of view and anger. We've all gotten 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.880 so accustomed to it. It just I don't know. I 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.040 guess it's like people who are addicted to drama. If you 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.680 grew up in a family that had lots of drama 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.720 and then you go and hang out with some family 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.240 that has zero drama, maybe it seems like uncomfortably boring 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.240 to you to where the family if no drama likes 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:01.880 it that way. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.400 Right, Sure, Yeah, yeah. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.960 I once heard a couple of describing the fact that 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.440 he came from a family that was very I can't 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.760 remember which was switching, that doesn't matter. That was very 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.360 English and hers was very Italian, and if you know 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.520 anything about those cultures, that would be a tough thing 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:20.200 to get used to. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:21.560 Yeah, eat a direction. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.400 I'm going to both the DMV and The Doctor today 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.640 back to back, quick doctor's appointment and then to the DMV, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:37.640 which will be more bureaucratic, unfulfilling. I'm sorry, you don't 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.840 have the right form. It's going to be quite the contest, well, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.400 and which will just be generally be more preferable being 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.000 probed and jabbed with short sharp objects or being subjected 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.280 to the special mental. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.040 Torture of the DMV. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:56.640 Right, this isn't the right form. I don't even know 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.920 what to do at this point. And that could happen with. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.000 The insurance all right, or at the DMV either one. Well, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:03.440 that's true. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.640 Doctor's offices have really up their game, mostly unintentionally because 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.920 now they have such compliance hurdles from the many thousands 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.920 of laws and regulations. They're becoming more and more DMV 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:16.040 like in some ways. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.560 I've been a couple of times in the last few years, unfortunately, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.120 where it's like emergency situation and man, they get that 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:22.000 paperwork in front of you. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:23.160 Who's paying for this? 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.000 Again? Sorry trying to talk over your screams, but who's 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:27.600 paying for this? 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.240 We need to make sure we know who's paying for 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.960 this before we start in on any of these. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.040 The DMV has got to come up with an excuse 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:38.040 or two to penetrate your body in one way or another. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.080 If they're going to keep up with doctors. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.360 Offices always have to throw in the caveat if you're 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.600 like a working, honest person who's going to follow the law. Now, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.119 if I just said no, I'm here illegally from l. Salvador, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.520 they just go ahead and treat me and write it 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.080 off somehow, and tax pers would pick up the bill. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.760 It's a good point. Yeah, yeah, we are paying for everyone. Congratulations, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:04.680 We thank you, Tim Sanders joining us. Yeah, the fourteenth Amendment, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:09.280 birthright citizenship nationwide injunctions by a single federal judge. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.600 What to make of all this? Coming up next? Stay 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.199 with us, Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.239 So I've been living this reality for a while now, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.320 and it's growing as a problem. A president decides to 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.560 do something with an executive order or whatever, often that 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:31.520 they promised on the campaign trail, their voters get all excited. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.240 Yay, they did it day one like they. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.680 Promised, And then then I get an alert on my phone. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.040 Some judge somewhere I've never heard of it said no, 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.320 you can't do that, and then it stops, and everybody's 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.159 like Groan's like, oh, they can do that, and it 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.919 keeps happening over and over again, and uh, do we 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.080 want that system to continue that way or not? As 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.320 part of what the Supreme Court was arguing about yesterday, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:54.840 and as one of the justices said, there are six 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.840 hundred some federal judges and while I do not question 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.520 their motives, sometimes there are they are are wrong. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.320 So do we want them to be able to hold 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.120 up the whole country? 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:08.359 Let us discuss the very interesting and multifaceted oral arguments 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.800 yesterday before the Supreme Court with Tim Sandefer, vice president 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.680 for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute, among other auspicious titles, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.760 author of eight books, including most recently Freedom's Theories, How 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.800 Isabel Patterson, Rosewilder and ein Rand Found Liberty and Age 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:24.320 of Darkness. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.200 I've recommended it many times. It's terrific. Tim. How are you, sir? 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:28.440 Just great? 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:29.200 Thanks for having me back. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.760 Guys published poet. Gotta throw that in there. True, Yes, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:34.520 a polymath as they say. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.560 Anyway, Tim, so ostensibly everyone's talking about that we are 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.399 going to discuss birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.239 and that did come up. But would you agree that 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:51.040 the more significant discussion was about nationwide injunctions by individual 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:51.840 federal judges. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.119 Oh, yes, absolutely, that was the focus of the argument, 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.439 and it was a very interesting argument. But I don't 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.800 think that it's a hard question. I think the answer 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.560 is obviously nationwide. The injunctions are perfectly fine. They're the 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.240 ordinary way of doing business in the courts, and people 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.040 who complain about them either don't understand the system or 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.840 are trying to get away with something illegal. 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:12.760 Yeah I don't. 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:14.760 I don't always like that it happened, but I can't 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.880 see what the alternative would be. As somebody pointed out, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.560 so you're gonna let me. I guess it was you 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.239 that pointed it out yesterday in Twitter. The idea that 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.960 so every time a president does something, it's got to 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.359 work its way all the way through the courts up 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.240 to the Supreme Court, and then a decision by the 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:35.240 Supreme Court. Before the Supreme Court might say sometimes nine nothing, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:36.280 you can't do that. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.159 Oh wait, and during that whole period of time, the 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.120 government is still doing the illegal thing. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.399 Right right, Wow, So clearly it's two to one for 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.600 a judicial takeover of the government. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.040 But I will stand up for liberty. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:49.720 Uh. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:51.240 Is there no middle ground. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.080 It's got to be three judge panel and not a 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.720 single ya who in a rural Tennessee. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.679 Yeah, I think. I think having a single unit ya 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.320 who in rural Tennessee is perckly fine, because that's what 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.360 the appellate process is sort of, that's why you appeal cases. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.800 And by the way, that's why you should avoid appointing 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:11.560 yahoos to the federal bench. Might mention that too. The argument, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.800 the argument against nation right injunctions always seems to boil 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.360 down to, well, this is a democracy and the majority 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.679 should always get what it wants. And the answer to 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:22.720 that is no where what happened to all of my 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.760 friends who used to say, this is a republic, not 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.680 a democracy. The whole point of our system is that 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.600 the majority has to act lawfully, and if it acts unlawfully, 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.600