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Speaker 2: We efforted Richard Haas yesterday we are unable to get him.

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Speaker 2: We have him today and we extend out here commercial

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Speaker 2: free for you. In a conversation with the President Emeritus,

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Speaker 2: the consult Foreign Relations and of course senior counselor was

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Speaker 2: sent of you partners with Paul. Far more than that.

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Speaker 2: The single best clarity before the attack I put out

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Speaker 2: on Twitter and LinkedIn Ambassador Has's essay in the Financial

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Speaker 2: Times of It's forever ago. Richard, it was three or

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Speaker 2: four days ago, go to Jewel of short clarity of

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Speaker 2: what to do, what to hope for? If you wrote

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Speaker 2: that essay now, how would you change it?

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Speaker 3: Well, good morning, Tom, and thank you. Look, the United

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Speaker 3: States based difficult decisions the aftermath of the Israeli actions.

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Speaker 3: against Iran. What's so interesting to me if I had

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Speaker 3: It was going to act against the Iranian nuclear program

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Speaker 3: the Iranian nuclear program. But now initiative has passed to

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Speaker 2: Investador has And I want to make clear here that

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Speaker 2: Richard Hass redefined the international relations debate with the invention

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Speaker 2: at CFR, Richard Hass writes a blistering essay with his

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Speaker 2: legal expertise. Does President Trump have the authority to strike Iran?

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Speaker 2: From where you sit with all your work back to

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Speaker 3: Now, the president had the authority, like go all of

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Speaker 3: modern American foreign policy initiative, and foreign policy has decidedly

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Speaker 3: book about the impurial presidency. This is nothing new. Congress

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Speaker 3: virtually never ever fulfills its constitutional obligation to declare war,

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Speaker 3: That said, if I had been advising President Trump, I

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Speaker 3: So I think he should have gone about this differently.

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Speaker 3: But did he under American political tradition? Did he yes

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Richard. As the world awaits some type of response

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Speaker 3: No, they're both good points. I actually think they're unlikely

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Speaker 3: But I just think the Iranians right now their priority

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Speaker 1: Paul, Richard For many observers, the American strike on the

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Speaker 1: Does that have an impact in other parts of the world.

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Speaker 3: It was surprising more in the tactical rather than strategic sense.

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Speaker 3: That turned out to be a faint or a ruse.

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Speaker 3: That means we don't have to give to Ukraine. People

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Speaker 2: Richard has with US and folks. I can't say enough

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Speaker 2: We can go back to Clash of civilizations, staggered a

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Speaker 2: Do we underestimate, ambassador, has the military violence of the

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Speaker 2: Paul, I remember exactly where it was in the shock

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Speaker 2: the hostages. Are you ready a country road in Pittsfield, Vermont,

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Speaker 3: Well, I would argue Israel has much improved its strategic position,

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Speaker 3: mainly through the weakening of Iran's proxies as Bola first

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Speaker 3: and foremost Hamas secondarily, then through regime change what we

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Speaker 3: saw in Syria. Israel has improved its position against Iran,

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Speaker 3: but hasn't result. By that, I mean Iran remains hostile

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Speaker 3: to Israel, has capabilities, and again we don't know how

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Speaker 3: much of their nuclear components survived. For all we know

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Speaker 3: a lot of them were parked in undisclosed location. So

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Speaker 3: Israel is not out of the woods there, and even more,

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Speaker 3: Israel's not out of the woods dealing with Gaza or

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Speaker 3: with the three million Palestinians in the West Bank. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's still the biggest strategic question. So Israel

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Speaker 3: has the Iranian dimension and still has the Palestinian dimension

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Speaker 3: very much.

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Speaker 2: Richard has one final question Paul and I in our

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Speaker 2: broadcast yesterday, Paul, please help me. I agree that we

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Speaker 2: were thunderstruck by the acuity and concision of our Chairman

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Speaker 2: of the Joint chief of Staff. I was blown away

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Speaker 2: by his report. Richard Hass you're the grizzled veteran. What

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Speaker 2: did you think of the press conference of our Chairman

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Speaker 2: of the Joint chiefs of Staff.

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Speaker 3: Tom He was impressive. General career of the head of

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Speaker 3: Central Command is impressive. Let me just make a larger point.

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Speaker 3: When I look at American society, I think there's two

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Speaker 3: great pools of talent. One is in the American military.

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Speaker 3: The professionalization there is awesome. And the other is something

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Speaker 3: you guys you in boll deal with all the time,

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Speaker 3: which is the best of American corporate leadership. These are

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Speaker 3: people who know how to run big operations and do

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Speaker 3: it in a really responsible, accountable way. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: surprised when I see great talent in the military rise

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Speaker 3: to the top. It is a meritocracy. These people are

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Speaker 3: tested and they are responsible for large numbers of lives.

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Speaker 3: So I find the post Vietnam American military is quite

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Speaker 3: an extraordinary institution.

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Speaker 2: Richards, thank you so much. Just send of your partners,

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Speaker 2: and of course is definitive work the Council on Foreign

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Speaker 2: Relations Ambassador huts Back decades to the diplomacy of a

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Speaker 2: Northern Ireland solution