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Speaker 1: Fish Unfiltered Episode fifty not the episode you guys expected, obviously.

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Speaker 1: I think we made the announcement that Skip Schumacher was

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Speaker 1: going to be joining us for special episode number fifty,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately, I think you all know why he is

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Speaker 1: not on here today, and that is exactly what we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about. Miami Marlins General Manager Kim ng

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Speaker 1: and my Marlins have decided to part ways. After I

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Speaker 1: think we could just kind of look at this in

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Speaker 1: the timeline. Obviously, early in the morning, Craig broke the

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Speaker 1: news that they have decided to part ways that It

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Speaker 1: was later learned that the Miami Marlins actually accepted her

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four options. She declined the mutual option, which

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Speaker 1: all which allowed her to, you know, go look for

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Speaker 1: a new job in baseball. And it was reported by

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Speaker 1: Jeff Pass not too long ago as we're recording, that

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Speaker 1: they were looking for a new president of Baseball Operations.

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Speaker 1: Kim Mang would have been the number two. She would

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Speaker 1: have stuck at her spot as GM, and that is

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Speaker 1: why she eventually decided to leave. I am here with

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Speaker 1: Eli Sustin and Isaca Zoo. Guys. I think we're back

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Speaker 1: to score one finding a GM here. Obviously that is

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Speaker 1: the all for YouTube. You could see that there is

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Speaker 1: the statements. I'll just read them out. Miami Marlins announced

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Speaker 1: at age General Matt this is let.

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Speaker 2: Me let me read them Mat Kevin. From Bruce Bruce's perspective. First,

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Speaker 2: these are the two sides of the issue. From Bruce,

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Speaker 2: we have that the Miami Marlins announced that Kim Man

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Speaker 2: will not be returning as the club's GM. All of

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Speaker 2: the club exercised its option for return in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: As you explained, Kim declined that option. More from Bruce,

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Speaker 2: we will immediately begin a thorough and extensive search for

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Speaker 2: new leadership as we plan to continue to invest in

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Speaker 2: the Marlins organization both on and off the fields. We

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Speaker 2: are committed to our fans and and the South Florida

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Speaker 2: great progress of this year. So then we have Kim's

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Speaker 2: response from Tyler Kapner of the Athletic. He's a long

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Speaker 2: with Kim, and she said last week, right after they

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Speaker 2: got eliminated from the wild Card series, Bruce and I

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Speaker 2: discussed his plan to reshape the baseball operations department. That

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Speaker 2: goes in line with Passon's report about him looking for

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Speaker 2: essentially somebody for her to report too, and hire somebody

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Speaker 2: over her for her to report too. In our discussions,

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Speaker 2: Kim continued, it became apparent that we were not completely

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Speaker 2: aligned on what on what that should look like, and

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Speaker 2: I felt it was best to step away. Yeah, no kidding,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty understandable. I wish to express my sincere gratitude

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Speaker 2: and appreciation to the Marlins family and its fans for

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Speaker 2: my time in South Florida. The year was a great

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Speaker 2: step forward for the organization, and I will miss working

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Speaker 2: with Skip Schumacher, his coaches, as well as all the

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Speaker 2: dedicated staff and baseball operations throughout the front office. They

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Speaker 2: are a very talented group and I wish them great

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Speaker 2: success in the future. So SUD thus ends pretty abruptly,

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Speaker 2: a three season tenure three years as Marlin's GM for Kim,

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Speaker 2: a decision that was very highly praised, lauded, beloved at

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Speaker 2: the time for being as trail blazing as it was,

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Speaker 2: And I think we're all on the same page that

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Speaker 2: this year was a very huge year for her to

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Speaker 2: she had done that, and yet here we are, I

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Speaker 2: think we were all aware that this was the final

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Speaker 2: guaranteed year of her contract, and yet there was no

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Speaker 2: extension throughout the year. And as we got deeper into

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Speaker 2: when the team was a million games above five hundred,

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Speaker 2: in good position to be a buying team, that the

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Speaker 2: fact that there was still no extension there and maybe

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Speaker 2: not a coincidence. At the deadline, she makes some win

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Speaker 2: now moves, which are understandable if you don't know if

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Speaker 2: you're going to be there later on, right, So that

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Speaker 3: Dating back to that.

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Speaker 2: Pass and report that with Bruce as satisfied as he

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Speaker 2: changes to be made, namely having somebody above Kim in

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Speaker 2: very complicated situation all in all. I just it's a

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Speaker 2: them in this direction that they're headed in. It's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would have to agree with you, Eli.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you mentioned Bruce not being able to come in

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Speaker 3: because obviously the simple move here, as Jeff pass reported

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Speaker 3: simple move would have been simply to promote Kim Ang

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Speaker 3: Campo or Dan Greenly to general manager's role, but that

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Speaker 3: was not something that Bruce felt comfortable doing, and I'm

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Speaker 3: very surprised about that, and it seems that he's just

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Speaker 3: sort of working backwards here, because when Kim was first hired,

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Speaker 3: And she even did something that no GM in Marlin's

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Speaker 3: what does she get. She gets a new boss, is

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Speaker 3: what she was told after So you can't blame her

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Speaker 3: I think the obvious move, the move that I would

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Speaker 3: We shall see a lot of unanswered questions going to

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Speaker 3: a to a twenty twenty four season that had a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tough news obviously to swallow here, Kim, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you know, how do you say this? Kim was

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Speaker 1: five years. Get that a lot of control. Josh Beall

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Speaker 1: you got to give her a lot of credit. She

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Speaker 1: obviously deserved a step up. If Miami was looking for

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Speaker 1: And at this point in time, after two seasons of

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Speaker 1: It was, as we mentioned off air, Derek Jeter, who

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Speaker 1: He wanted Kim to be there, but she essentially had

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Speaker 2: But as you go through it, it really there just

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Speaker 2: Then even if you want to put that one on Jeeter.

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Speaker 2: There's been some reporting that that one was really Jeter

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Speaker 2: at this past off season, they slided in Johnny Quato

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Speaker 3: Of the year.

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Speaker 2: Those were Kim. I mean those you can't put those

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Speaker 1: want to build something sustainable that includes the farm system,

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Speaker 1: developing talent, bringing up guys. Obviously we mentioned it. Khalo

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Speaker 1: Watson's not even with the organization anymore. Jake Barry hasn't

438
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Speaker 1: been very good. They haven't been good at drafting. I

439
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Speaker 1: think that's the best way to put in and not

440
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Speaker 1: only drafting, dude, haven't been good at developing players. You

441
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Speaker 1: look from up from the top to the bottom of this organization,

442
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Speaker 1: there's no blue chip prospect. There never was since the

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Speaker 1: start of Bruce Sherman's time here in Miami, but it

444
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Speaker 1: was one Yuri Well, Uri, yeah, but you know there's

445
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Speaker 1: no blue chip offensive prospect. You can make the case

446
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Speaker 1: there unless I'm missing one. But right now, your best

447
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Speaker 1: offensive bat is Victor Mason junior. Jacob Barry doesn't tell

448
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Speaker 1: you very it's not very good. And you know, hopefully

449
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Speaker 1: Barry got it going and he has an AFL and

450
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in another episode. But they want

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Speaker 1: to find that and I think that's why Bruce wants someone.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into options down. We could start right here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are options that you know, are GM

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Speaker 1: candidates that make sense for this type of role. Obviously

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Speaker 1: you could look at Baltimore. We'll go into guys right

456
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Speaker 1: now and know, Eli, you have a list and I'll

457
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Speaker 1: have an article out on it, and Isaac got I

458
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Speaker 1: would assume little by little you'll be finding a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys that catch your eye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, for me, it just starts with the

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Speaker 3: obvious choice.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, former Marlins president David Sampson tweeted out

464
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Speaker 3: his opinion and then he he said, maybe it'll be

465
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Speaker 3: a name that you've heard before. And so my name

466
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Speaker 3: my mind straight goes to Michael Hill, who is currently

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Speaker 3: serving as a senior vice president of onfield Operations for

468
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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball. He was a former president of base

469
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Speaker 3: operations for the Marlins. He had been with the organizations

470
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and two. I want to say just

471
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Speaker 3: for a very long time, and I think he is

472
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Speaker 3: one of the smartest men in baseball, a Harvard educated

473
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Speaker 3: person who I think wouldn't be awesome to bring back.

474
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Speaker 3: Like I said, it's thinks that this is after Kim

475
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Speaker 3: is no longer here. Kim's gonna be greatly missed. She

476
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Speaker 3: was really striding into her own and she was doing

477
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Speaker 3: her fantastic job. But if there's one name that I personally,

478
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Speaker 3: maybe irrationally, really created would be Michael Hill. I think

479
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Speaker 3: he's a would be a great candidate, and.

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Speaker 1: I know no one's going to count it, but he

481
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Speaker 1: led them to the twenty twenty postseason. So he did,

482
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Speaker 1: and he was a part of that. Yeah. No, and

483
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Speaker 1: that you know what, that is one.

484
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Speaker 3: Of the craziest Slurio trades that I've ever seen, That

485
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Speaker 3: guy Florio trades. I'm sorry, that guy acquired maybe eighteen

486
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Speaker 3: different guys during that sixty game sprint to help Miami

487
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Speaker 3: make it. It was just an amazing, amazing run of

488
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Speaker 3: moves that he made when half the team went god covid.

489
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Speaker 3: So he is someone that I have.

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Speaker 2: I'm striking just remembering James Hoyt having the best month

491
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Speaker 2: and a half of his being like a really good

492
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Speaker 2: situational reliever. He was Andrew. He was the Andrew Nardi

493
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Speaker 2: of that season, even though he was a very low

494
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Speaker 2: level trade at that time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was.

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Speaker 2: And I was upset at the time as well when

497
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Speaker 2: they made that change with Mike Hill going away that

498
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Speaker 2: I just didn't like the idea of subtracting brain power

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Speaker 2: from your organization. Would I would have loved the idea

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Speaker 2: of bringing Kim as a GM underneath him that you know,

501
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Speaker 2: that's that's old news. But you had to reiterate something

502
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Speaker 2: we mentioned at the top of the show. The process

503
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Speaker 2: needs to be a lot different this time round. Whereas

504
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Speaker 2: last time, Kim was essentially hand picked by Jeter and

505
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Speaker 2: she was qualified, but the rest of baseball had overlooked

506
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Speaker 2: her qualifications one time after again after again. She'd been

507
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Speaker 2: interviewing for GM jobs for almost twenty years, you know,

508
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Speaker 2: before finally getting this opportunity, and she got from a

509
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Speaker 2: player who played a former player who played underneath her

510
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Speaker 2: when she was with the Yankees in the late nineties

511
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Speaker 2: early two thousands as well. This time it needs to

512
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Speaker 2: be a far reaching search. The first place, I guess

513
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Speaker 2: you can look as internally where they had three assistant

514
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Speaker 2: gms under Kim Or Brian Chadden, Ozo Campo and Dan Greenley,

515
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Speaker 2: and so they each have their different strengths and backgrounds.

516
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Speaker 2: Brian Chadden's one that's been around the longest. I guess

517
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Speaker 2: he's a sleeper candidate because he was inherited from Jeffrey

518
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Speaker 2: Laurier and so he has been. He survived the rest

519
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Speaker 2: of the Michael Hill era and was here during the

520
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Speaker 2: whole Kim aanng era gets very little attention. Oz is

521
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Speaker 2: somebody that was a much splasher higher. He came over

522
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Speaker 2: from the Astros and anybody that was so involved with

523
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Speaker 2: their success over there is very enticing. He had a

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Speaker 2: close personal relationship with Kim. I don't know exactly what

525
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Speaker 2: that means for his future, but he just came here

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Speaker 2: an off season ago. He'd be one of the younger

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Speaker 2: gms in baseball. He gets that opportunity as well. Dan

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Speaker 2: Greenley specializes on the analytics side, and if I was to,

529
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Speaker 2: you know, just make a guess, I feel like this

530
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Speaker 2: lead decision maker is going to be more analytically inclined

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Speaker 2: than Kim was. She was not like a super nerdy

532
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Speaker 2: numbers person. She had she had wide experience in like

533
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Speaker 2: all aspects of this. But my where I go is

534
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Speaker 2: I look at assistant gms on other teams who are

535
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Speaker 2: blocked from their own top job as who could bring

536
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Speaker 2: more of that to the organization, And generally that generally

537
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Speaker 2: leads you to do more with less if your owner

538
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Speaker 2: is not going to spend as much money being able

539
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Speaker 2: to really put all this to standardize all your best

540
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Speaker 2: practices and to use the technology to your advantage to

541
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Speaker 2: identify under the radar players. And this translates to the

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Speaker 2: minors as well. So I think the two organizations that

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Speaker 2: they'll be looking pretty close he had or the Orioles

544
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Speaker 2: and the Astros. But the Orioles they have a couple

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Speaker 2: assistant gms or you know below the GM who like,

546
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Speaker 2: really raise my eyebrow here, sig My Dell is sig

547
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Speaker 2: My Dell and Eve Rosenbaum. Eve is more so on

548
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Speaker 2: the player development side, and sig on the analytics side,

549
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Speaker 2: but both of them, they're below Michael Lias in Baltimore,

550
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Speaker 2: and he certainly has long term job security, but both

551
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Speaker 2: of them, those are two departments where the Marlins have

552
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Speaker 2: a lot of room to grow, both analytically and in

553
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Speaker 2: terms of player development. So getting them from an organization

554
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Speaker 2: that either of them from an organization that just won

555
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Speaker 2: one hundred games and that still has the best farm

556
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Speaker 2: system in baseball and is seemingly set up for sustainable

557
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: success in the way that the Marlins were not. That

558
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Speaker 2: is something that I imagine Bruce is going to be

559
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Speaker 2: focused on getting people that come from those organizations that

560
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Speaker 2: have something sustainable locked up. As good as this season was,

561
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Speaker 2: as we've mentioned here, like there were serious stats about

562
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Speaker 2: where the Marlins go from here, and I think when

563
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Speaker 2: you look at people that are going to be available

564
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Speaker 2: that to interview for this, you look at assistant gms

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Speaker 2: from those organizations that had that kind of backgrounds. I'll

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Speaker 2: mention Josh Burns from the Dodgers. He's their player development

567
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Speaker 2: guy over there. The Dodgers very consistently have won the

568
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Speaker 2: best farm assistance in baseball despite never having good draft position,

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Speaker 2: and yet they win one hundred games every single year.

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Speaker 2: They're consistently in the playoffs as well. James Click with

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Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, he was.

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Speaker 1: Just a year ago.

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Speaker 2: He was the Astros GM and he had a very

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Speaker 2: unusual falling out with their owner. It was only a

575
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Speaker 2: matter of time before he's going to get another GM opportunity.

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Speaker 2: And he was prior to the Astros, who was with

577
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Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Rays. I imagine James Click is going

578
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Speaker 2: to be pretty high up on the target list. And

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Speaker 2: aside from that, just to mention other lead executives who

580
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Speaker 2: are currently out of jobs, Heim Bloom just a month

581
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Speaker 2: ago or so dismissed by the Boston Red Sox after

582
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Speaker 2: having about four season run over there. He is another

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays product, another one who I'd be curious

584
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Speaker 2: to see what his interest level is. But are there

585
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: are only a few GM positions open right now with

586
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox, with the Mets, and then here in Miami.

587
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Speaker 2: John Daniels was formerly the head of the Rangers and

588
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: he was pretty recently phased out of there. That'll be

589
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Speaker 2: somebody to watch as well. And I guess I'll just

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Speaker 2: mention Billy Eppler, considering that he was. He's been now

591
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Speaker 2: with GM a couple different places, with the Angels and

592
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Speaker 2: the Mets. Neither of those stops have gone great. With

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Speaker 2: the exceptional one season in New York twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: it should be I just want to see it be

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Speaker 2: a very wide ranging search. I think that's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I will mention is that Barry Jackson

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Speaker 1: put that on and deleted it right now. From what

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Speaker 1: we could assume that the interim GM is Brian chet team,

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Speaker 1: so I butchered that dead an il.

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Speaker 2: I said his name just a few minutes ago, but.

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Speaker 1: I Chadden, all right, Brian Chadden. There it is. He

602
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Speaker 1: is taking over as iron GM. So if whoever goes

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Speaker 1: to winter meetings, that's the guy you'll see. If they

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Speaker 1: still haven't hired a GYM by then, which would be

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Speaker 1: worrisome in a way. But yeah, I think ELI nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Those are the guys I would personally go. After I

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Speaker 1: mentioned I mentioned Ben Sistenovich from the Atlanta Breves, another

608
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Speaker 1: team that year and year out develops players, you know,

609
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Speaker 1: big time. He's part of their player development side of things.

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Speaker 1: He just look at their team. They have fifteen homegrown

611
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Speaker 1: players on that roster right now. And you know, although

612
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Speaker 1: they lost in the NLDS, they still put up over

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Speaker 1: one hundred wins on the year. They were still first

614
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Speaker 1: in NL. I mean, that's a great team, and you

615
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Speaker 1: know it's the year and year out. Not only do

616
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Speaker 1: they develop and bring the guys up, they keep them.

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Speaker 1: They signed him to very cheap long term extensions. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Spencer Strider, ronald A Kunya, AlSi, Albi's just something name there.

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Speaker 1: James Klak, I would assume maybe that's more of a

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Speaker 1: president of baseball operations type of target there, because right

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Speaker 1: now I think he's vice president baseball operations with the

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays. So that's the only one I would look there.

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Speaker 1: And internally, I think you mentioned that eli OsO Compo,

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Speaker 1: that would be the one I would like, you know,

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Speaker 1: just if you're looking internal externally, you know, just get

626
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Speaker 1: someone that's really good and comes from a good organization

627
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: like Baltimore, who has so many top one hundred prospects

628
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Speaker 1: that they could probably still stack up their major league

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Speaker 1: roster even more there. So O Compo obviously he's credited

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Speaker 1: with almost the whole with you know, scouting out the

631
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Speaker 1: whole Arrangers rotation. Luis Garcia from Rivaldez, Josey Richidi and

632
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Speaker 1: Christian Javier. He is someone who has a good eye

633
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Speaker 1: for talent for the most part, you know, all internationally

634
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Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, which is something that looks like

635
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Speaker 1: Bruce is trying to really find out there. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a great it's it's a good option there for

637
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: Miami if you look internally, just more of are they

638
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: going to fill out both positions now, because obviously that

639
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: looked like that was Bruce's intention and obviously whenever he

640
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: speaks to the media will find out. But definitely something

641
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: to keep an eye out on what Miami does here

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00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: in Eli mentioned Billy Uppler.

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Speaker 3: No, with the importance placed on you just player development,

644
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Speaker 3: scouting and all that which it has to be discussed

645
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Speaker 3: if Jay's Philow will continue as director of amateur scouting?

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Speaker 3: Is that do you think he will? Because yes, Kim

647
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Speaker 3: has been the GM and I guess he does report

648
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Speaker 3: to her. But he is the one who's for the

649
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Speaker 3: most part making these drop decisions. And is it safe

650
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Speaker 3: to say that his job is secure. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Depends on whoever the new guy is, if they want

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Speaker 1: to keep.

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Speaker 2: Him once they bring in somebody new. If we think

654
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Speaker 2: it's likely going to be somebody from the outside, then

655
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: there could be a lot of turnover in here. And honestly,

656
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: it's not for the worst. In some of these areas

657
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: that we've highlighted that where they're deficient, you know, there

658
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: could have been some changes. I'll just reiterate that I

659
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: thought she was Kim was part of the solution that

660
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: they could have made. They should have been able to

661
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Speaker 2: find a way to attack some of these deficiencies without

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Speaker 2: having to reach this impasse with her. There should have

663
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Speaker 2: been a way to like give her if the fact

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Speaker 2: that Bruce is willing to add more man power or

665
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Speaker 2: woman power, more people power to this front office than

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Speaker 2: spends that that I can't It's really disappointing that they

667
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: weren't able to get on the same page. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the last thing I'll mention is I do just ponder

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00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: very openly, like how desirable this job is at the moment.

670
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Speaker 2: There aren't that many other jobs available this particular offseason,

671
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: so that is something the Marvels have going for them.

672
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: There's only so many places for people to go. If

673
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: they're they believe they're ready to take the next step

674
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: right now they are coming off this postseason appearance. But yeah,

675
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Speaker 2: all things considered, I don't know if that I feel

676
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Speaker 2: like the end of Kim's tenure the way that it ended,

677
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Speaker 2: I think that could dissuade people from one to fill

678
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: her shoes. If they lead this team to a postseason birth,

679
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Speaker 2: the only first full season birth they've had in twenty years,

680
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: and yet they're they entered that offseason with getting what

681
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: would have been somewhat of a demotion to now being

682
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: pushed down the hierarchy, like as valuable it is to

683
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: have these jobs, Like that's just sense a really bad

684
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: message about what it is that this new person is

685
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: even being evaluated on. Like if they do their job,

686
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: the team wins, and yet at the end of their

687
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: contract they are given what was essentially just a really

688
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: bad offer to stay on, Then why would they want

689
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: to get this job in the first place, So they

690
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: don't feel like they're going to stick around very much.

691
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Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm finished off on. For Bruce, even

692
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: if he felt like this wasn't the right combination of

693
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: leadership to have with the team right now, he put

694
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: himself in a pretty tough position in terms of attracting,

695
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: making this an attractive destination for other candidates.

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Speaker 1: I mean it already was a pretty you know, already

697
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: a tough job to take on. I think it is

698
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: what you could say limited money. The farm system, no offense,

699
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: is arguably one of the worst in baseball. I mean,

700
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: it's not a very attractive job. But I mean, if

701
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: you bring the right guy that has a track record

702
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: of flipping farm systems around, making them look good and

703
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: finding sustainable successes, which is the word that we've been

704
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: hearing all season long in twenty twenty three. We've heard

705
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: that from Skip, We've heard it from even Kim at

706
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: the time Bruce since spring training. That's what they want,

707
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Speaker 1: then they'll hopefully find the right guy.

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Speaker 3: Guys mentioned James Click, I mean he was let go

709
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: after winning the World Series. So I think this does

710
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: happen in this industry. It is a business at the

711
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: end of the day. But I think there was a

712
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: failure in the sense that there was not apparently a

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Speaker 3: lot of transparency or communication between Bruce and Kim. Maybe

714
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Speaker 3: if she had been let know that there would be

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Speaker 3: a president of Base of Operations at some point, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think Kim would have walked away. If she

717
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: had maybe known that this was coming. It seems to

718
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: me that she was taken from surprise, taken by surprise.

719
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Speaker 3: And you know, like I said, if there was some

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Speaker 3: transparency and communication throughout the year or throughout her tenure here,

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Speaker 3: then maybe things would have played out differently.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, when they give out that Executive of the

723
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Speaker 1: Year award, and if Kim wins it, and I like

724
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Speaker 1: lists she could because she could, and it'll be a

725
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: bad look on the Marlins, I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she will win it, but that is funny.

727
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Speaker 1: She's going to be a finalist at least or you know,

728
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: close there. She turned around a team. Yeah, so I

729
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: think we get ended here. Obviously, not the episode any

730
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Speaker 1: one of any of us expected. For sure, the expectation

731
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Speaker 1: is to have skip on for the next episode. We'll

732
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Speaker 1: be talking, We'll be talking to him, see how we

733
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Speaker 1: could when we could do it. But definitely, if it's

734
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Speaker 1: not sometime this week, next week, we'll get skipped. He's

735
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: for sure going to be the next guest on the podcast. So, Eli, Isaac,

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Speaker 1: anything else before we wrap it up here?

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Speaker 3: No, no, yes, Like you mentioned, episode fifty we're looking

738
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Speaker 3: forward to Skip, but obviously understandable. We had a post

739
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: on that episode. He gave me plenty of lead time.

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Speaker 3: We are looking forward to recording with him, hopefully at

741
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Speaker 3: some point next week, and there's gonna be a lot of

742
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: fun things to discuss, including this, you know, including the

743
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: parting of ways with the person who hired him. So

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00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: very much looking forward to that. And yeah, we, like

745
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Speaker 3: I said earlier in the show, there will be a

746
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Speaker 3: press conference at some points and we will have you

747
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: all covered here at fish On first.

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Speaker 1: And I guess the last thing I'll mention very very

749
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Speaker 1: quickly is I know I saw a couple of people

750
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Speaker 1: on Twitter put it Skip's not going anywhere U. Throughout

751
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: the interview process, you will one percent assume that they

752
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: will be talking to whoever candidate and they'll tell him

753
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Skip is here to stay as well as the staff.

754
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: So if you're taking this job, it has to be

755
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: with him. So and I would think every general manager

756
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: candidate would say that's fine because he will be an

757
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: end manager finalist. I think Tory Levelo went up will

758
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: end up winning it, but you know, he's been great

759
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: and he something else to note. He is just one

760
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: year left on his contract movie you know, after this

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Speaker 1: entering twenty twenty four. With that, I believe a club

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00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: option in twenty going to twenty twenty five. So last

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00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: thing I'll mentioned there, but yeah, from Isaac Eli myself,

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys hopefully next week, and peace out

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Speaker 1: and go finish