WEBVTT - Sienna Miller 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.680 You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.639 Savannah Miller tells a story that when her sisters Sienna 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:09.920 was born, it was. 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:11.080 Like the lights came on. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.160 Our guests on Ruthie's Table four people we all know 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.239 through the movies they make, the companies they run, the 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.959 policies and the values they are defined by. Here we 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.239 get to know them in a different way. How they 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.440 lay a table, what they feed their children, a recipe 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.280 they've kept from their grandmother. Everyone knows Sienna Miller is 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.680 an actress, of fashion designer, and a brave combatant who 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.320 stood up for her rights against a powerful media empire. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.040 All of us in the River Cafe know her as 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.760 a fabulous eater, coming in on Sundays with her family, 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.120 always a big table, always involving children, always sitting in 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.000 the window. Most of all, it's about sharing. Most of all, 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.520 it's about fun. Just like Sienna. We're here today in 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.560 the River Cafe and the lights have come on. Oh ready, 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.840 So Sienna, would you like to read the recipe that 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.200 you chose to make for this podcast, which. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:12.320 Is pizza bianca with tiledio artichokes and time or as 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.559 Giermo del Tourre said on his thame, which I loved 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.760 from now I want to call it time. A pizza 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.640 bianca is a pizza without tomato, but if you want 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:26.199 to add something salty, you can add artichokes. Ingredients pizza dough, 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.920 double zero flour for dusting, olive oil for drizzling, two 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:36.640 artichokes baked and sliced, four hundred grams of toilggio sliced. Time, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.160 preheat the oven to two hundred and thirty degrees centigrade. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.200 Put a large baking sheet in the oven to heat up, 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.319 and roll your doble on a floured worktop as thinly 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.000 as possible. Place the pizza on a piece of baking paper. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.520 Top with artichoke slices and to ledgio. Season with salt, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.040 pepper and thyme. Drizzle with a little olive oil. Transfer 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.400 the baking paper with pizza on to the hot baking sheet. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.080 Bake for six to eight minutes until the pizza is 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.120 puffed and golden. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:14.480 There what easy, Okay? 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.400 So today the pizza on the menu is to led 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.040 you please, are straight out of the fridge. So if 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:24.119 you just want to try and get them from underneath first, 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.239 we would get a feel for it. And then I 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.519 put them on the tops and on my knuckles a 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.840 little bit, just widen it out. And then once it's 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.519 on your knuckles, you can just very genuinely stretch with 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.720 your thounds and your knuckles. But the most important thing 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.120 is that the middle doesn't stretch too much. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:41.919 Yeah, so wreck. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:47.280 And then the secret is a rolling pin which actually. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:47.760 Has gone missing. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:55.240 We are to roll like around the middle parts. That's thinking, great, Okay, 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.040 then this is the this is the fun thing, because 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.880 I feel like you feel like a proper pizza chapherd. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.760 So you grab the top, just it like very delicately, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.160 and you gotta you gotta flip it onto your knuckles. Okay, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.040 so just like that, just go for it. You've got 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.320 to go for it and for it. And then if 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.000 you use this pizza park and just lay it out 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.640 there and pull your fingers out from underneath, I got 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.840 a job. Yeah, I think you're looking bent in the mind. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.240 And then we've got raw ars chokes. Yeah, and they 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.680 just soaping and lemon water so they don't use the color. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.680 Then a nice little sprinkle of time, great, some black happer, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.600 and then just a couple of olives again, not too many. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:38.960 I think you should put in the other I agree. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.880 So the ovens on about four hundred degrees. So just 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.240 with this again. You just want to move the paddle 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.040 like back and then you're done and the paper you're 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.960 going with it just yeah nice? Is it perfect? Real 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.280 good love, you'll bring it you. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:56.200 Thanks. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.960 We were talking about making pizzas and what they involved, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.640 but it's also involved with how you feed your kids, 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.880 and so I suppose we could talk about before feeding 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.960 your kids, how your parents fed you. What was the 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.000 food like in your household as a child. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.120 You have memories. I have so many memories. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:26.159 My mother is an amazing cook and really a lot 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.680 of her nurturing and her mother incomes through cooking and 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.320 always did. She was born in Yorkshire. She then moved 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.080 to South Africa when she was about four. My grandmother 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.120 was South African and she remarried a Jewish man converted 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.760 to Judaism, so mom kind of grew up with the 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:48.719 half Yorkshire, half Jewish South African cuisine around her. And 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.000 then when that husband died, my grandmother converted. 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:53.479 Back to the Church. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.000 So she was oh, she's not a grade Jew, No, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.800 she was quite flimsy with it. But as a result 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.159 of that, there's Mum's got a lot of different styles 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:05.800 of cooking, and Sunday lunch was just a huge I 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.520 was born in New York to an American father, and 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.719 my sister was born in Hong Kong because they lived 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.359 in Hong Kong before, and then we moved to London 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:14.760 when I was about eighteen months. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.400 A lot of moving around, a lot of exactly. But 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.880 for you, you were in New York. I was in 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.479 New York, raised in London. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.440 I mean, I remember teething on Builtong, like she would 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.119 give us sticks of Builtong, and I don't really remember teething, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.719 but I kind of do. Remember you're back that far, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.479 running around like Bambam with just dried meat in every hand. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.200 And how old were you when you came back? 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.560 People are grimacing, but I still love it. I was 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:42.920 eighteen months. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.919 Old, Okay, So you are your childhood was British. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.880 My childhood was British but filled with different from people 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.080 from all over the world. So we'd have you know, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.520 a brie, a South African barbecue in the summer on Sundays, and. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.039 It's called a brye. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.520 It's basically the Afrikaans word for a barbecue, I believe. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.599 And we'd have burr horse and drew avorce, which is 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.400 different types of sausage. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:07.760 I know. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.640 Well, I grew up with this interesting yeah, and biboerti, 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.440 this South African dish and built onng everywhere, which is 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.600 the dried meat, which I still love. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.680 So there was your sister and yourself, my sister and 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:21.680 myself and your mother. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.040 Were she did, she had, could cook, and she could 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:25.520 have a job. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.240 And yeah, well she was a yoga sort of yoga 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.159 Alexander technique exercise teacher. So I grew up in a 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.960 house with women lying all over the floors, I mean, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:35.720 and my. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.120 Friends remember this, especially when I was a teenager. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.279 Her classes were so popular that they'd spill out of 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.280 the allocated room which was next to my bedroom, into 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.560 the hallways, down the stairs on another landing. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.400 It wasn't a big house, but this was your yoga lesson. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:50.920 I don't know if I signed up for the yoga 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.440 lessons found myself on this serials. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.880 I know, well, she was so good at it, it 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.880 was She actually started the first exercise base school in 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.680 London in the seventies called Granny's beautiful bodies and it 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.599 was Alexander technique yoga ballet kind of hybrid and Ava 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:07.920 Gardner went and Albert. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.920 Finney and she was this really talented was it? 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.440 It was in Knightsbridge. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.080 Because there was a woman called Lordie Burke. Do you 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.840 remember her? Yes? She was to her that mum just 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:18.200 like it. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.480 Yes, I went to Lordi Burke. I can't remember who 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.560 told me about when I first came to London. Yeah, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.960 I think that was in probably nineteen seventy. Yes, and she. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.760 Looked totally out of cabaret. You know. Do you remember 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.280 so your mother worked with. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.320 Her, Yes, they established it together. I don't really have 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.680 many memories of that. But when she started doing it 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.040 again after my parents got divorced, these people would flock 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:42.600 and there were just women with their legs in the 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.760 air outside the bedroom and I'd be hungover at the 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.440 hoodie on trying to get to the bathroom. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.040 Just like you know, did she eat in a healthy way? Is? 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.320 And now she was concerned about yoga and Alexander. She's 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.160 never been weight conscious. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.680 She's never been conscious about calories or everything had butter 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.240 and cream and you know, and I think there is 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.760 something that's so incredible about being nourished by a meal 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.000 cooked with love, which is what you do here every 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.880 single time. You feel the love and the food and 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:14.120 it's like going home. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.000 It's an ingredient. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.560 It is a really strong ingredient. You can taste it 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.400 completely and tasted. Yeah, it is about sharing and about tasting. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.600 So you with your mother working, did you still sit 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.880 down to a table every night and. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.360 After school, your sister and you and your mother? 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.480 And I mean I went to boarding school at eight, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.400 so then it was just weekends. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.200 Yeah, I did. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.679 They got divorced when I was six, and then two 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:39.520 years later I went. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:40.319 To boarding school. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.920 And when you left the comfort of home and food 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.120 and as you say, the ingredient cooking with love, I 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.640 was going to boarding school. Did you feel that ingredient 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.840 was there and the food that you wed a boarding school? 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.280 I mean it was a really My best friend is 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.440 in the room and she's laughing at me with a 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.319 pained expression. No, she didn't go to that school, the man, No, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.400 not the first one. I mean, I was about as 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.400 high as this table. I was tiny, and it was 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.280 too young, you know, but apparently I really wanted to 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.000 go and it was this It was on paper, a 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.840 really idyllic looking place. It was a manor house. There 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.920 were only fifty two girls. But you know that first 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.960 night you're in a room with ten girls you've never met, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.720 in kind of metal beds with tweed blankets over the top, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.719 and its lights out at seven, and it's traumatic. It's 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.960 completely traumatic. Plus they used to feed us on Tuesday's spam, 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.720 which and you'd have to finish your plate, you'd have 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.680 to eat everything. I remember sort of sticking it in 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.360 my pockets and finding dried bits of spam in my pocket, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:40.360 which was lovely. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.280 What are your other food memories of that school? 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.960 Well, sometimes it was great, like big pots of lasagna, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.720 and every day at four o'clock the baker would deliver 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.120 either ice buns or jam doughnuts, or there'd be some 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.360 kind of delivery, which was the highlight of the entire thing. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.120 Then when you went home weekends, was it a big deal? Yeah? 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.040 And Mum, you know, she'd make the most out of 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.920 nothing and it was filled with flavor and filled with love. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.120 And then on Sundays all of her eccentric friends would 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.840 come around for a big boozy Sunday lunch and we'd 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.600 be made to sit at the table, however old or 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.960 young we were. And some of my most I think 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:25.280 formative moments were around that table because everyone's drinking, there's 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.160 opera blasting, there's no one censoring the conversation, and you 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.880 really learn how to kind of find your way in 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.720 the world through listening to adult conversation and eating food. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.960 And it was very joyous and jubilant. Did you ever 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.520 come back or did you stay? So it was every weekend, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.920 Now what I mean for the rest of your education 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:45.680 that we were border. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.480 Yeah, so that was a weekly boarding. I was there 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.920 for two years. Then there was a fire or it 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.920 just closed down and I ended up going to senior 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.480 school a year early. So I was ten when I 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.400 went to senior school in seventeen. When I left, even 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.560 though I finished it, I was that was in Berkshire. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.520 And what was that like? And that was by that 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.480 point I was a season border. I was. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.880 I was again, you know, about three feet tall, but 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:14.280 really confident. Really, I'd completely detached from the notion of homesickness. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.120 I'd gone through it in a really intense way, so 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.520 I was I was quite strong by that point and 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.800 up for it. And my big sister was at the 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.839 same school, which I'm sure helped, and it was school food, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.040 but I loved I still dream about this chewy toast that. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.200 They have in the mornings. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.439 They'd had one of those things where you put the 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.959 bread in and it's cheap bread and it rotates through 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.160 and sort of half toasts, but obviously it's cooked a 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.600 while ago and it becomes kind of bready and chewy. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.959 And we used to I used to make a butter 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.600 and marmite mix with the cold butter that was thick, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.160 and spread it on and bend it over. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:51.840 And I still everyone's laughing. I'm a real pig. Now. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.200 It's just because you mix it with the butter. First 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.920 I thought you can free. Yeah, it goes. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.840 I scrambled my eggs with the dollop of it in. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.120 They go kind of prey. But it's delicious. Botherel I'm 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:05.920 a huge. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.920 Bother, which is you know, I say I've said it before, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.640 and this because other people praised marmite that when I 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.280 first came to London, I went to a photography school. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.880 And we had to do a series. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.360 And I thought, what I'd like to do is get 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.559 a bunch of Americans and give them marmite and butter 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.199 and take a photograph of their face when they tasted it. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.200 Because for an American it was just like what are 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.280 these people? What is yeast spread? 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.400 And then I never quite got over it because Richard 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.800 used to said marmite in. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.360 Bed, but the breath, the marmite breath is specific. They 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.920 actually did genius advertising. They did you either love it 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.960 or hate it? I remember this advert where it was 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.360 like a girl and a boy and they were on 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.440 a date and it was going really well. And he 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.520 comes back to hers and she says, you know, do 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:52.240 you want some coffee? 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:53.400 And there's a there's an old. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.240 Piece of toast with marmite on it in the kitchen 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.640 making the coffee. She just takes a bite of the 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.719 thing and goes back in and there and then they 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.480 start kissing and he goes and it said mom, like, 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:04.920 you either love it or you hate it? 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:05.920 You have to lean it. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.080 I think, raw, I wouldn't want to eat it out 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.600 of its jar, go reel, I could, I could? 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.600 I know this is really sounds stupid. What's the difference 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.680 is beef spread? Okay, we're really both baric. It's the 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.000 you as we have many years. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.480 I've lived here how long fifty years? 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:30.320 Fifty years used to be, so I put it in 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:31.920 all sorts of cooking. I sneak it in. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.160 It's even worse. You still use it, I do. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.360 Yeah, I'll put it in gravy, a little bit of 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.520 marmite and a bolonnaise. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.400 You love it. You know that day we head for lunch. Yeah, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.240 you're canceled. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.920 You've got to wash your hair that night. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.679 Right, something really good? Do I want to watch? 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.319 Do you have a favorite a favorite meal? 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:55.079 What's your curious? My favorite meal? Yeah? 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:56.760 I think there is a kind of meal that I 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:01.760 like very much, which is based on having pasta first, 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.800 so it's always tomato pasta, and then having vegetables cooked 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.560 in different ways. So I'll have arti chokes that are 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.840 slow roasted, and then I'll have spinaches that just blant 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.920 with olive oil and their tomatoes. Will put them in 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.520 the oven and get them that there's absolutely not one 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.520 drop of liquid in them, and they've kind of almost 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:21.360 stuck to the pan. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.160 I like eating that way. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.880 I'm much less in my old age, less interested in 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.400 the first course, second course, third course, that formality of it. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.160 So it kind of breaks some of. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.920 The rules when you think, what are we having after 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.880 the pasta or maybe nothing, you know, but we are, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.160 and then you bring out all being so it's quite 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.600 It's a way that I'm quite liked. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.160 Did your parents take you to restaurants? Yeah, they did, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.920 they did. They took us. We had a local Italian 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.480 called to Checo. We go there. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.120 I go to Johnny Rockets with my dad and have 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.920 a foot long hot dog and a coke float Rockets. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.960 There are I don't know, I don't know coke floats. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.320 I love the idea of and but they're I always 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.200 found them kind of disgusting, but I get it just 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.440 because it was I was trying to connect to his 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.200 American side. And then we go to fancier places as well. 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.200 And when you became a kind of more independent person 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:13.960 on your own, well, you always say that you were 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.200 in New York and you were you were taking care 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.360 of your friends, and you were the person that people 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.760 went to for Sunday lunch or you still did that. 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.440 But when you're when you were acting and when you're 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.360 working on a film, what is it like when you're 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.440 when you're working and when you are he's in theater 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.240 or in film and you're trying to work, and do 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.440 you have a special routine for eating. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.960 No, it all probably gets a bit goes a bit 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.200 wrong in those moments. I mean, well, I'm never I'm 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.000 not someone who's going to cook for themselves. I think 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.760 so much of the joy of it is feeding other people. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.600 So I will end up. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.960 I'm a place well, just remote, like Shreveport, Louisiana. We 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.800 lived on the side of the road in a holiday 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:57.360 in or something. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:58.240 What were you filming? 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.440 I was filming a movie about Decgate called Factory Girl, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.120 and we were all in a Marriotte residence in on 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.320 the side of the freeway in Boje City, which is 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.680 outside of Louisiana. You know, Shreveport. Jimmy Fallon was in 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.920 that movie. Guy Pierce all these Tara Summers was in it. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.400 Jack Houston, who's just directed a movie that's apparently amazing. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.960 And I would cook in this tiny like you would. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.200 Still I would still cook. I would still find a 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:23.760 way to cook. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.040 Every year, the River Cafe curates holiday gift boxes filled 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.400 with Italian ingredients. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.000 Are extra virgin olive. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.840 Oil bottled exclusively for the River Cafe. Power Petrelli tomatoes 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:45.320 from Pullia Tuscan chocolates and candied sweets from Genoa. 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I could say, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.760 what do you eat when a when a newspaper empire 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.120 goes for you and tries to destroy you and goes. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.000 Into your phone? Did that? Did you feel hungry? Or 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:38.119 did you get up eating? 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.200 But it is part of our conversation life and food 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.080 and fairness, and I wondered if you could say how 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.679 you felt when you woke up in the morning and knew. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.440 Did you have breakfast or did you did real stress? 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.439 I lose my appetite, you lose it. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.639 Yeah, it's interesting and I'm and I'm such a I 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.680 love to eat more than anything. It's kind of it's 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.120 where I get a huge amount of pleasure, but I, yeah, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.560 I lose my appetite if I'm under immense stress. So 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.399 well was his life well, the paparazzi attention at a 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.760 very young age was probably the most traumatizing and surreal 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.760 because it happened from one day to the next. Ild 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.760 I was twenty one and I'd fallen in love with 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.200 my co star of my first film, and he was very. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.840 Famous, and there were pictures of us. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.199 We'd gone to the National Portrait Gallery or something, the 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.919 Tate Modern, I can't remember. And I remember leaving his 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.440 house the following day and getting in a black taxi 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.040 and the cave. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.840 Saying have you seen the news of the world today? 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:41.760 And I was like, what, you know? 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:42.320 Twenty one? 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.080 And he said have you seen the news of the world 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.359 And I said no, and he said, you're. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.760 All over it, and he threw a copy of the 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.679 newspaper in the back of the cab and there we 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.640 were on the front. It was so it was honestly 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:58.359 like normal life to absolute surreal, you know, life after 0:18:58.400 --> 0:18:59.840 that and I got home to my flat and there 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.080 were photographers all outside my flat and that was it. 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:03.680 That was it. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.679 It was gloves off at that moment in culture where 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.200 the tabloids had all the power and young women were 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.800 really persecuted and men. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.840 But it was really crazy. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.639 And at first it was kind of funny. I felt 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:16.840 like Lara Croft. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.520 Or in some virtual experience, and my friends we'd like 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.720 run away and try and hide, and it was giggly. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:27.639 But it became very quickly very insidious, because it was 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:34.399 threatening and aggressive, and it really took over my entire identity. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.800 I felt like was being written and read by people. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.680