1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglass. Julie, 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: are you a fan of continuity in life? Oh? Sure? 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: I love in the most logical way, so that when 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: a string of words it is understood or put together. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: I too makes sense when words prefer it in a 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: way that complete center, least informed string together, it's much 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: easier to understand. Yes, You're only a lot easier to understand. Well, 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: was there? Was there just some sort of asynchronicity going 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: on there? I don't know. It felt a little weird, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: didn't it. Yeah, a little skipping about kind of felt 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: like David Lynch just edited us. Yes, noel or editor. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: All right, well let's shake that off, alright, and uh 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: and and move forward, Because indeed, continuity is is an 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: important part of the way that we perceived the world 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: and and and how we make sense of the world. 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: But to what extent isn't an illusion? How much of 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: the perceived continuity uh in life is just a sort 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: of an accident of the brain. You know, I was 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: thinking about this lately because I'm watching the Olympics and 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: Winter Olympics and searching, and I don't have cable or 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: satellite TV, and um super lazy, and I didn't go 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: get some rabbity or antennas. Instead, I'm streaming it to 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: my Roku player through an app called us TV now. 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Are us TV now And anyway, the point is is 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: that there are so many weird time lapses in the 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: streaming that it really does feel like David Lynch is 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: presenting the Olympics, and there's all sorts of odd conversation 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: loop back that happened three four times, and it starts 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: to feel like it's just even those little tweaks are 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: putting me into a different universe, into an alternate universe. 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: And I thought about that, just that that little tweak 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: can really be unsettling and fe centering. Yeah, I mean, 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: that's just the way that our our brain is seeing 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: and hearing things. We get these chunks that even though 37 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: they're they're out of sequence due to the realities of 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: our time system here on Earth, but we can't help 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: to try and piece them together and make sense of it, 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: because that's what our brains do all the time. Yeah, 41 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: and we really take for granted this idea of perceptual 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: constancy and how we see the world, because if you 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: see an image in front of you, think, oh, that's 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: that's just something that's that is exactly as it is 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: that I'm perceiving it, um, just as it is in reality, 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: and nothing could be further from the truth. It is 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: a constructed reality by your brain, by your visual system UM, 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: which analyzes let's slow down that moment and you're watching 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the socio Olympics, right. It analyzes the interactions between visible 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: electromagnetic waves and the objects in our environment. So not 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: just the you know, when I'm watching on the TV screen, 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: but the light in the room, the dimensions of that room. 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: All of that is being penciled in by little artists 54 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: in my brain essentially trying to tell me what I'm seeing. Yeah, 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: we often experience reality with this idea that hey, it's 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: it's me experiencing reality, and ultimately that's the truth. You 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: are your body, so anything your body does, it's all 58 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: working together as a single unit. But when you start 59 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: breaking it down, you realize that you or your conscious mind, 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: and your conscious mind is just kind of the froth 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: on the beer that is the brain, and then it's 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: it's then that beer is just setting in a dark 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: room and it's only getting information um passed onto it 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: from these from these these eyes that are outside of 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: the room, uh, outside of the brain itself. So you're 66 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: getting this information passed to the brain and then to 67 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: the mind, and uh, it's not a accurate version of 68 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: what is actually going on outside the room. Yeah. We 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit with Liliputian hallucinations and 70 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: how that our brains have to create this perceptual constancy. 71 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, it's doing this by 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: reconstructing a three dimensional dimensional world with two dimensional images 73 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: on your rentness, and so when you look at an object, 74 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: each of your eyes sees a slightly different picture. So 75 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: think about a fork and a plate on the table. 76 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: Now you're okay. So your brain has to move between 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: these two objects and create scale in shape, and there 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: has to be a perceptual constancy in there in place, 79 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: and it's doing that behind the scenes with a lot 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: of different processes. We're talking about minocular vision providing the 81 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: image perceived by each separately, and then you have binocular 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: vision that's getting in on on the play here. And 83 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: if you're looking at something in the distance, then you 84 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that there's something like atmospheric perspective, 85 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: which is created by the dust particles and water vapor 86 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: in the air, which then color the way that you 87 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: see an object. Something farther away from you is gonna 88 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: look a little hazy, a little blurry. Yeah. And we 89 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: know that damage to the brain can sometimes create gaps 90 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: in that visual data that comes into play. And we 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: also know that our brain and when it doesn't have 92 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: that data, will hallucinate an image for you. So again, 93 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: this hold on reality, this this illusion of continuity is 94 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: just a very tenuous thing here. Yeah, and it's and 95 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: again it's also worth remembering that your brain is not 96 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: passing on all the information to you. Uh, it's a 97 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: there's a lot of computation that's going on beneath the surface. 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: One example of this came from a study from the 99 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: University of Arizona from doctoral degree candidate Jay Sanganetti, publishing 100 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: the journal Psychological Science. And they took a various subjects 101 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: and they had them look at these images where you 102 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: had an abstract dark center of an image and then 103 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: white on the sides and on some of these that 104 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: there was just abstraction they did. There was no actual picture. 105 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: It's just white and dark. But in there's you had 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: these white seahorse shapes on the sides. So they flash 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: these at everyone's at everyone in the study, and some 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: people got the sea horse, some people got the abstract nonsense. Uh. 109 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: But they found that that that in the brain when 110 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: they looked at the brain activity, there was identification of 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: the sea horse going on even when people didn't consciously 112 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: see the sea horse. It's like the brain was identifying 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: it and saying sea horse. But then it doesn't pass 114 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: the information onto your your conscious understanding. It's it's happening 115 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: into some conscious level, so saying seahorse but not seahorse. Yeah, 116 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: so it's sometimes you were seeing things but you're not 117 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: consciously seeing them because it's not important to your to 118 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: your immediate understanding of the world around you. But you know, 119 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: how does that subconsciously color the things that do rise 120 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: to the top of that froth on the bier right right, 121 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: which is the whole other thing that we could get into. 122 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: But we're we're interested in looking at this illusion of 123 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: continuity and sing how it games us in certain ways 124 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and certainly. One of the ways that we have mentioned 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: before is something that is exploited by magicians, and it's 126 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: called the retention vanish that very iconic trick in which 127 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: you see the coin go from one hand to the other. 128 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: And it happens when there's a lag in the brain's 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: perception of motion, and this is called persistence of vision, 130 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: and the audience will actually see the coin, say, transfer 131 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: from the right to the left palm for a split 132 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: second after the hands separate, and that is because visual 133 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: neurons don't stop firing once a given stimulus. Here the 134 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: coin is no longer present. So even though that coin 135 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily deposited into the left hand, the last image 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: that your brain saw looked like it, and it's not 137 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: going to stop that process and say, oh wait, hold on, 138 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, split one of a second here we think 139 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: that it actually didn't get transferred. It's going to continue 140 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: to fire and you're gonna have this this false perception 141 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: of continuity into the other hand. Yeah, it's crazy. Again. 142 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Your brain is filling in the gaps for you in 143 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: order to give you the complete picture. It's like a 144 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: reporter has been sent out into the city to get 145 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: a story finds out certain bits of information, and it's 146 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: just filling in, uh, the gaps in what happened, and 147 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the way they fill in the gaps, it's it's the 148 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: way it likely happened, all right. Somebody was seeing a 149 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: point A and then they were seeing at point B. 150 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: It stands to reason they walk down the street from 151 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: point A to point B. But maybe not well, And 152 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this too. Aren't we even 153 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: getting to the point with metic keywords in the way 154 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: that we use the internet. Aren't we sort of filling 155 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: that in? Can't you look at a like a pool 156 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: of meta keywords for an article and immediately start to 157 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: fill in those gaps yourself. Yeah, So if you see 158 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: something like you know, illusion of continuity, visual visual perception, 159 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: persistence of vision, you begin to understand the story that's 160 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: developing there. Yeah. Or look at any movie trailer, especially 161 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: movie trailers for films that are not that inventive and 162 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: and that stick, uh, stick rather closely to the accepted tropes. 163 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: Oftentimes you'll look at at the extended trailer for the 164 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: film and you say, hey, well, I just saw the film. 165 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: There's absolutely no reason to see it because you were 166 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: given the little points, the little the little important moments 167 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: along the way, and then your brain just fills in 168 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: the rest, and based on previous knowledge, you know exactly 169 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. Yeah, and movies are the ultimate 170 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: illusion of continuity. Yes, it turns out that twenty seven 171 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: point five hurts. This is a sequence of still photograph 172 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: slides that are displayed at or about this rate of 173 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: presentation gives us the illusion of motion. So, like the 174 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: basic flip book, like a horse running, you flip the 175 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: page is fast enough, and it looks like a little 176 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: horses is running around there, though obviously it is not. Yeah, 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: so motion pictures or those horses that you see are 178 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: really just a sequence of those still images at twenty 179 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: four prame, excuse me, twenty four frames per second, and 180 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: that exceeds something called the temporal resolving properties the human 181 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: visual system, so it's outside of the zone of detection. 182 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: So if you're looking at thirty five millimeter film projection, 183 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: each still is presented for one of a second, alternating 184 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: with a black frame for roughly the same duration, and 185 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: the eye perceives the images as just one fluid scene. 186 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: But old timey films, we we perceive that gap, right, 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: and then we kind of herky jerky motion that you 188 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: get this this sort of this unreal uh idea of movement, 189 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: the kind of unreal movement that is generally retained and 190 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: stop motion animation. Yeah, and that's because the frame rate 191 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: is clocking in at seventeen to eighteen frame rates per second. 192 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: It's too low. So the brain says, I see something here. 193 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: There is a discontinuity, and in this respect, this twenty 194 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: seven point five hurts. It also translates to sound and 195 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: how sound begins to form a sort of continuity. And 196 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: this is this is the idea that I'm going Dad. 197 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Hear each individual beat, but if we were to speed 198 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: that up enough, it would just be one constant exactly, 199 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: because the molecules are vibrating at that speed and they're 200 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: creating that sort of booz that continuity. And Daniel J. Levitton, 201 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: who wrote the book This Is Your Brain on Music, 202 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: talks about that and he used this example of putting 203 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: a playing card in the spokes of a wheel. He 204 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: says that slow speeds, you hear the click click, click 205 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: click click of the car, but at higher speeds the 206 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: clicks were together and they cease to be perceived as 207 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: individual noises, but now as a continuous buzz and he 208 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: says a tone you can actually hum along to a pitch, 209 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: and that's sort of the magic of this continuity of 210 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: sound and motion. Alright, So on that note, let's take 211 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: a quick break and when we get back, we're going 212 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: to talk about why Spider Man, you know that gift, 213 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: why he is such a good groover. Alright, we're back 214 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: dancing Spider Man. Yes, uh, this is just one of 215 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: those gifts that's been around forever where the this this 216 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: little kind of pixelated the Spider Man. Uh, you know, 217 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe it was a real person dancing in the original footage, 218 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: but it's just kind of it's kind of a little 219 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: artifact on the web that just won't go away. And 220 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: you see him sort of sashang, I guess is the 221 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: correct descriptive term, back and forth and kind of this 222 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: kind of is he snapping his fingers or am I 223 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: just I don't know. He seems to be doing the 224 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: Charleston sometimes and then he kind of goes into the 225 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: disco moves. Um. He's on a white background, and it's 226 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: just it's a very simple animated gift. But the great 227 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: thing about it is that you can play nearly any 228 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: piece of music to it, and Spider Man seems to 229 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: keep time. Yes, you can. You can throw classical music 230 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: on it, and he seems to be uh sash back 231 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: and forth to Mozart. You can throw there on some 232 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: dub step and he seems to be really jamming out 233 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: to that as well, and everything in between. No matter 234 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: what the genre, what the track, what the what the speed, 235 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: you know what? What? What are the beats permitted happen 236 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: to be? He still seems to be dancing to that 237 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: particular song. And it's a real insight into the human 238 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: proclivity for synchronicity, right, because there's nothing magic about the 239 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: Spider Man gift. It's just this gift of this dude 240 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: dancing and the Spider Man the costume. But when we 241 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: look at it, we can't help but find the ways 242 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: that it matches up. We can't help it but look 243 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: at it and say, hey, this fit's perfectly with the music. Yeah. Now, 244 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: before we get into how this actually happens, or this 245 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: illusion of synchronozy synchronicity happens, I wanted to mention that 246 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to the visual cortex, it is mapping 247 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: a visual of how the pitch and tone in a 248 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: in a song are changing, and in turn, music moves 249 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: us because we envision movement in it. So we can't 250 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: help but look at something like this animated gift and 251 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: start to really synchronize our own um interpretations of the 252 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: music and the movements. Yea, with what we're seeing. Yeah, 253 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: we talked about before when we talked about the way 254 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: music and art moves this, Uh, that the music that 255 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: tends to really resonate the most with us, you know, 256 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: think about the songs that really give you chills or 257 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: or just you know, really you captures your imagination. Generally, 258 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about places where whether there's definite movement going 259 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: on in the song, there's some sort of rising action, 260 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: or it's descending, or it's there's this sudden drop, you 261 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: name it, but there's there's something coming together or pulling apart, 262 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: and and that's what we lack onto. Yeah, and it's 263 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: no coincidence that music is really effective um and therapeutic 264 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: with Parkinson's patients and stroke patients and coordinating their movements 265 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: again because of the visual cortex in this idea that 266 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: we're trying to sync up to the thing that we're 267 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: listening to and we're seeing. So I wanted to mention 268 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: that Radio Labs Jody Avrigon has a great explanation of 269 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: why Spider Man is such a good dancer, and she 270 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: talked to someone by the name of Devin mcaulay who 271 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: works in the Timing, Attention and Perception Lab at Michigan 272 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: State University, and he says that humans are really flexible timekeepers. 273 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: He says, we have a tennessee to pay much more 274 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: attention to events that are synchronous than asynchronous, and so 275 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: this would bias our attention to time points that provide 276 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: evidence for Spider Man dancing synchronously with the music. We're 277 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: ignoring the times that he's out of time with music, 278 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you know. And this this ties in really closely with 279 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: the episode we just did on Reincarnation. We talked about 280 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: families looking at like what a child is saying about 281 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: an imaginary friend or about some phobia that they seem 282 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: to have, and then how they end up matching that 283 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: up with someone who was recently deceased and their story. 284 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: You end up ignoring all the different places where it 285 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: doesn't come together, and you focus on the one or 286 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: two places, even then it does come together. Another example 287 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: of this that that instantly came to mind where you're 288 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: doing the research. I give you two rather distinct things 289 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: on one hand, the Wizard of Oz and then the 290 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: other hand, Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon. Yes, 291 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: because here we have a great example of these two 292 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: independent artistic works. Right. Yeah, Wizard of Oz did not 293 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: inspire Dark Side of the Moon. But as your college 294 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: roommate will will happily tell you, they sync up really 295 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: well with each other. You if you mute Wizard of 296 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: Oz and you play Dark Side of the Moon, they're 297 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna be all these moments where the lyrics or the 298 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: or the rise and follow up the music, where all 299 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: it just comes together perfectly and it seems as if 300 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: it were meant to be. You also see this with 301 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: Blade Runner and Dark Side of the Moon. So again 302 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: to you, completely independent works, but the brain thinks that 303 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: there's a collaboration going on. Yeah. I was actually looking 304 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: at a website called sink movies dot com and they 305 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: have a number of examples, some of them some of 306 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: them kind of interesting, Like there's one uh that they 307 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: call city Kid, which is a kid a the radiohead 308 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: album the Fabulous Album over the movie Dark City, which 309 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: is a movie I love. And so those are two 310 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: things I can see mixing rather well with each other. 311 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm less into the idea of, say, Toy Story in 312 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: the Attic, where they take Aerosmith's Toys in the Attic 313 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: and sync it with Pixar's Toy Story. But again, they 314 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: have something like twenty one different examples of an album 315 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: and a movie. When sync together, they seem to make 316 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: sense magically, all of a sudden, they are synchronous. Now. 317 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: In the case of Spider Man, Abergann says that there's 318 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: something called periodosities. These are movements of various different but 319 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: related rhythms nestled inside the rhythms of Spider Man's gyrations. 320 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: And there are also these nested rhythmic patterns within any 321 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: given song. So she says that when we are watching 322 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Spider Man, we were listening to a song, our brains 323 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: pick out two items to match, one from the column 324 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: of Spider Man's rhythms and one from the column of 325 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: the song rhythms, and then matches those up together. Huh yeah, 326 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: Because definitely it is a very fluid movement that of 327 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: this dancing Spider Man. There are no um, you know, 328 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: sharp points. It's not just him like bonking his pelvis 329 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: back and forth. Like that's the kind of thing which 330 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: would match up with many songs, but not but certainly 331 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: not have this universal um uh connectedness to music. Yeah, 332 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't do the sprinkler or anything, so there's no 333 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: jerky movements. Um. But yeah, they're smooth, they're continuous, and 334 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: their short and duration, which help our brains again to 335 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: sync up those two different columns. If they were a 336 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: little bit longer, if his movements went on for a while, 337 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: then we would have too many beats that might have 338 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: been skipped, and that would put some red flags up 339 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: there in our brains. Interesting, you know, I wonder if 340 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: anyone has really applied this thinking to the sinking of 341 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: movies and music, because certainly I'm thinking of Flapstick and 342 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz, you know, and just you know, the 343 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: Cowardly Lion and then all this, and there's not a 344 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: lot of this kind of fluid movement that would match 345 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: with any kind of music. So I wonder if anyone 346 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: out there has, like has has looked at something that 347 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: is very fluid, some sort of like performance piece with 348 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: a lot of dance in it um or or or 349 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: something kind of avant gare. Like, I'm thinking maybe of 350 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: the what's the the gentleman that you're yeah, Philip Glass, 351 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: but also on the film side of things, the gentleman 352 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: that your husband's rather fond of makes the really strange 353 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: art films Matthew Barney, Matthew Barney, and what is that 354 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: series call though it's Master Ye, Yeah, Like I wonder 355 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: if that's the sort of property that would that would 356 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: pair well with just about any kind of movement music, 357 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: because there's kind of a performance, uh, dance quality to 358 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: it well. And Philip Glass does have a lot of 359 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: um pieces that he has done with dance before, and 360 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: it's very interesting. But there's his Generally, his music does 361 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: not lend itself to sort of any sort of smooth, 362 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: continuous or short burst there. It's usually pretty long and 363 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: drawn out um and then you know the sort of 364 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: jarring changes in the pitch and the tempo. And next 365 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: one wonder about the sort of media they consume and 366 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: the pacing of it all and the ways that our 367 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: brain likes to say, ah, yes, I like this idea 368 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: of continuity. Please let me try to create it wherever 369 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: and whenever I can around me, and indeed we we 370 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: do look for it all around us. And we see 371 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: this time and time again in our attempts to understand 372 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: not only how the world works, but the meaning behind 373 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: why it works. Right when we start trying to to 374 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: answer those big questions in life, why is this happening 375 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: to me? Why did this happen to the world, and 376 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: we start looking for these different different patterns. Uh, in 377 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: the world around us. You could all you could even 378 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: say that it's a synchro destiny here. That's a word 379 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: that Depoxia Chopra has termed has coined. And uh, he's 380 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: suggesting that synchronicity can quote accelerate you towards your destiny. Oh, 381 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean you're going to be excelled towards your destiny 382 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: no matter what. Yeah, that's that's generally gonna happen. You 383 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: can just sett in your your house doing nothing and uh, 384 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: it's like the old proverb by doing nothing, all all 385 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: problems are solved right there you go. Um, but but 386 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: that does not sell books, my friend. No. One final 387 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: thought on on a synchro destiny. I found this is 388 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: not a depox writings, but someone had written about it 389 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: on a blog and they said, Uh, when you live 390 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: your life with an appreciation of coincidences and their meaning, 391 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: coincidences and their meaning, that's that's kind of that that 392 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: that has all the answers in it right there, because 393 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: a coincidence, by its very nature, it's just a coincidence. 394 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: There is no meaning behind the coincidence. If you're finding 395 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: meaning and your coincidences, then uh, then that's the problem, 396 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: potentially the problem. You might find some beauty in those 397 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: coincidences by aspiring reason to them, but if there's reason 398 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: behind the coincidence, it's not a coincidence, right Or am 399 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I crazy? Um? Well, no, I mean I think that 400 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: if you take that line of reasoning, you might find 401 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: yourself in front of the new paper trying to pick 402 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: out secret codes and articles and covering the walls around 403 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: you and as well as the tinfoiled windows. It can 404 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: be problematic, right if you take that logic too far. Yeah, 405 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: it's And that's ultimately the point. You know, use a 406 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: little balance in your pattern recognition. Don't let your software 407 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: get two out of whack, because finding finding beauty in 408 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: the world is one thing. Uh, covering your your walls 409 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: of your house with newspaper clippings is quite another. For example, 410 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: my daughter has the Frozen Castle set. The other day, 411 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: I was looking at it and the throne looked like 412 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: a lion's face to me. It was mean, it was 413 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: very cool. It's just pattern recognition, uh, And I did 414 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: not run from it. I just saw it for for 415 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: what it was a plastic chair, all right. So there 416 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: you have it a little insight into continuity and how 417 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: we observe it and to what extended it is an 418 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: illusion and uh, you know, there's a whole deep end 419 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: of the pool out there in terms of union, uh 420 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: synchronicity that either we'll come back and talk about later 421 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: or you can explore on your own time. But it's uh, 422 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: it's one of those areas that gets really deep, really fast, 423 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: and it's just a little bit, uh, a little bit 424 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: more than we're looking to, uh to cover in this 425 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: particular episode. In the meantime, though, we'd love to hear 426 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: your take on this episode. What kind of music have 427 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: you tried to pair with Spider Man. We'll make sure 428 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: that we put that Spider Man up on the blogs 429 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: when this episode publishes, and we'll have a link in 430 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: the description for the podcast it so you can find it. Uh, 431 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: let us know how your your pairings went there. Also, 432 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: is there a particular movie and album pairing that you 433 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: think is rather magical, that you think comes together perfectly? 434 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: I myself have in the past when when I did 435 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: entertaining that was for somebody other than a toddler. I 436 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: would love to take like really bad be movies and 437 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: put him on mute and then play funk music over it. 438 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: And I found that there were often those magical points 439 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: where it's like the dude in the in the rubber 440 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: monster suit looks like he's dancing to the funk music 441 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: and it's perfect, and it's it's like it was meant 442 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: to be. But I see now that that was just 443 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: an illusion of my brain. Yeah, but I mean artistic 444 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: synchronicity is something entirely into itself. 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