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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with

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Speaker 2: Ofira and Talio adute the Astro Twins, as we call them.

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Speaker 2: They're among the most sought after astrologers and intuitive advisors

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Speaker 2: of our times. As a longtime resident astrologers for LI Magazine,

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Speaker 2: authors of more than twenty books, their latest is called

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Speaker 2: The Astrology Advantage, they are the advisors to a roster

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Speaker 2: of CEOs global leaders, successful entrepreneurs. They have top thousands

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Speaker 2: of people their methods through their online platform and at

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Speaker 2: their signature retreats. They also created the first streaming reality

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Speaker 2: TV dating show based on astrology called Cosmic Love. O.

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Speaker 2: Fira and Tali you do it? Ofira, welcome, Hi, looking

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Speaker 2: forward to this And Tally, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, so excited to be here. Huge staying

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Speaker 3: of the show.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk with both of you each individually and we'll

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Speaker 2: have some fun. Okay, how did you too? With you

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Speaker 2: if you're a starting get involved in astrology.

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Speaker 4: Totally by accident.

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Speaker 3: While students at the University of Michigan were detroitters like

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Speaker 3: you and yeah, we were attending arts school there, and

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Speaker 3: my boyfriend at the time gave me my astrological birth chart,

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Speaker 3: which is a map of where all the planets were

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Speaker 3: in the sky at your time of birth, and it

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Speaker 3: knew so much about me the thirty page print out,

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Speaker 3: I was fascinated, and yeah, it was a birthday present

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Speaker 3: that was surprising. I got this portrait of myself as

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Speaker 3: the stars, and it told me so much about myself

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Speaker 3: that I was shocked and intrigued and wanted to know more.

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Speaker 3: So that's where we went from there.

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Speaker 2: And Telly, how about you, how'd you get it pulled

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Speaker 2: into this?

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Speaker 3: Well, we are identical twins. So as soon as she

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Speaker 3: started telling me about this this chart, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I must read this too, And we began asking all

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Speaker 3: of our friends about their you know, birthdays, and we

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Speaker 3: got a piece of software and we started running people's charts,

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Speaker 3: and soon it just became, you know, you start to

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Speaker 3: see patterns with these things. We started noticing, you know,

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Speaker 3: patterns amongst celebrities. Initially a lot of the the divas

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Speaker 3: are aries, Mariah Carey, Sleen Dion, Aana raw Arita Franklin.

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Speaker 3: You know, you start and you start to wonder and

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Speaker 3: you start to say, there's some interesting things going on,

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Speaker 3: and it literally became just our same thing to ask

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Speaker 3: people and we started to you know, categorize people that way.

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Speaker 3: And then we started to use it to you know,

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Speaker 3: learn how to do predictions for our own lives. That

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Speaker 3: really helped us to build a business, to you know,

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Speaker 3: make dating decisions. It became like our ultimate go to,

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Speaker 3: a go to tool for decision making.

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Speaker 2: It is an amazing tool, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. I mean it's it cuts through

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Speaker 3: all the clutter of all the things that you could do,

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Speaker 3: you know, just to know you're The birth chart really

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Speaker 3: is like a map to your soul. So it's like

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Speaker 3: having the cosmic blueprint to how you're wired. Of course,

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Speaker 3: you always have free will and choices, but knowing your

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Speaker 3: inclinations from the chart, and that's what we found for

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Speaker 3: people's like, when you understand how you're wired, it just,

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Speaker 3: you know, it makes your day to day so much

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Speaker 3: more in alignment with who you are, and that's what

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Speaker 3: we love about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, Sara, why does astrology work? We know it does,

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Speaker 2: but why.

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Speaker 3: Well, from a psychological point of view, I always say

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Speaker 3: that human beings are our own biggest blind spot. We

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Speaker 3: of stumbling around right trying to figure out what to do,

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Speaker 3: how to make choices. The average adult makes thirty five

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Speaker 3: cuts through that analysis paralysis and helps people feel seen,

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Speaker 3: feel understood, feel validated, and that extra gives them the

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Speaker 3: courage to take action in their lives. But from a

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Speaker 3: from a spiritual science point of view, you know, we're

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Speaker 3: all made of stars, were you know, just made of water,

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Speaker 2: As the computer age changed astrology, oh for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think it's made it a lot more accessible and

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Speaker 1: Know their entire chart.

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Speaker 4: We used to talk about your moon sign and.

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Speaker 3: People are like, what the heck are you saying? Now

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Speaker 3: And it's pretty amazing how astrology is really caught on

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Speaker 2: You both developed a system called the IM system, which

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Speaker 2: stands for Innovator Authority and Maven explain what that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, after working with thousands of people, we did notice,

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Speaker 3: turned to a lesser known astrology shortcut called the chart dominance.

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Speaker 3: So that's the dominant influences of fire, earth, air, and water,

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Speaker 3: parts of the chart, the sun, moon rising, all the planets,

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Speaker 3: NAVE and so you know, if you've ever done a

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Speaker 3: kind of give you an archetype, and from that archetype

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Speaker 3: you understand again how to make decisions that help you

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Speaker 3: you are. So the im system allows people to enter

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Speaker 3: the same thing they would to do this full birth

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Speaker 3: one archetype so that they can already start to use

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Speaker 3: to become astrologers any The innovators are the people whose

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Speaker 3: charts are mostly cardinal signs. So when we talk about

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Speaker 3: we've shortcut that. So if your chart is mostly cardinal signs,

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Speaker 3: are a lot like the ambassadors, preparing us for new things.

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Speaker 3: Mavens are famous for just like starting a buzz, communicating,

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Speaker 3: sharing ideas. They're like the messengers. Now, there are some

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Speaker 3: people who are hybrids. Actually we've done your, I am

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Speaker 3: and you are a hybrid, or actually, no, you're not

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Speaker 3: your an authority, I'm sorry, but some people are innovator authority,

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Speaker 3: innovator maven and authority maven. But most people are just

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Speaker 3: one of them primarily, and it's such a helpful archetype

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Speaker 3: about in our book.

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Speaker 2: If you had ten Geminis, would they all have similar traits?

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Speaker 3: They would have some similar traits. You know, I'll be like,

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Speaker 3: I think twenty geminis, you can say, because it's a

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Speaker 3: ruled by the planet Mercury, and that's the planet of communication.

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Speaker 3: Thinking ideas, so you will find common traits. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: The name of your LATEUS book is called The Astrology Advantage,

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Speaker 2: but it teaches people how to use their horoscope for

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Speaker 2: personal and professional success. I think that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We like that astrology can be made practical and useful.

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Speaker 3: That's you know. We were, like we said, we were

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Speaker 3: loved patterns, we did played instruments, so you know this,

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Speaker 4: A tool that is extremely practical, and we found it

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Speaker 4: to be very useful, and we're excited to show other

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Speaker 4: one of the barriers of access to astrology, which is

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Speaker 4: having to learn all the complicated new things about it.

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Speaker 2: Now you don't have to whereabouts in Detroit were you

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Speaker 2: Well, Well, you used to work at TV too, right

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Speaker 2: She's made twenty eighth as her birthday. That makes her

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Speaker 2: a Gemini, right, that does you know?

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Speaker 3: I find a gemini is often live very long and

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Speaker 3: stay really mentally sharp into you know, into their hundreds,

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Speaker 3: the ones I've known.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope, so yeah, let's hope so do Yeah.

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Speaker 2: How often do you think people should use astrology in

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you can use it daily, honestly.

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Speaker 3: very useful to look at, you know, your daily horoscope

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Speaker 3: we're also saying, treat it like the weather. You know, okay,

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Speaker 3: like there's a chance of something with whatever your horoscope

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, the moon you need at your own risk.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever given anybody a horoscope that scared you?

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Speaker 3: We just say like, listen, you know, if I'm advising you,

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Speaker 3: But just we we try not have anybody lay the seat,

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