1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to River Cafe, Table four, a production of iHeartRadio 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: and Adami Studios. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 3: I can hear you, Darling? Can you hear me? 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: I can Darling. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 3: Tonight, I'm talking to my friend Jeff Goldbloom. 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm in LA and my closet with a couch. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: You know I don't have a closet with a couch, 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: but I'm going to get one tomorrow. Yeah, note to self. 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: I recommend it. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: We're miles and miles apart, but through food, through movies, 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: through politics, through memories, we're really close. 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: Let's start. Let's not waste any of this magic, and 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: let's let's start the Let's turn on the chef. Are 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: we starting? Are we? 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? We could start the only thing. I'm a chef 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: and I have a restaurant. But I may not be 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: the best interviewer. So you can say, Ruthie, you're doing 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: a bad job. Start all over again. 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: Okay, you're already an excellent interviewer and you can't possibly 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: make a mistake more to a bad job. I think 22 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: you're fantastic. 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: So I'm going to ask you if you would read 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: the recipe that you've chosen. 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: Oh should I should? Kick it off with it. I 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: certainly will. So I've got this book in front of 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: me and I've turned to I've dog heared the slow 28 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: cook fennel. Well, there's not much to reach. It's like 29 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: a high coupe. I see, ready, here's my You don't 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: like it, you can say, take take two. Well wait, 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: I haven't taken one yet. Just a second. Okay, here's 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: take one. You know how many takes Stanley Kubrick would 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: do sometimes for a movie, No, tell me famously eighty seven? 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: What if I wish I would have worked with him. I 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: love his movies, and he made movies around your neck 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: of the woods there. 37 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, come on, read the recipe. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: You are a good interviewer. I like when the interviewer 39 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: claps your hands and says, come on, get come on there. Okay, 40 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: here it goes. Slow cooked fennel serves six six fennel bulbs, 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: five tablespoons olive oil, five garlic cloves peeled. That's it. 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: That's as much as I have on the page. Is 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: that it. 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: You've just read the ingredients. Now go down to the method. 45 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, okay, so so far, so good. 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: And also I think it says, fennel cut into eighths, doesn't. 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: It No, I pride myself on my reading skills. It says, 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: serve six six fennel bulbs. 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: Okay, your reading skills are really good. Now just go 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: down to the method. 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: Here's what it says. Well, here's what it says on 52 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: the rest of the page. Says in the River Cafe kitchen, 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: we all have an opinion on the color of the fennel, 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: brown or pale, but we agree on the classic rule 55 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: that they should be cooked long enough so that you 56 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: can cut them with a fork. New paragraph. Cut each 57 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: fennel bull vertically into eighth So here we go. This is. 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: Keep the olive oil in a large saucepan, add the fennel, garlic, 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: and some sea salt and black pepper, and cook over 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: a medium heat, stirring occasionally, for about ten minutes, or 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: until the fennel begins to brown. Add sufficient boiling water 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: to come barely one quarter of the way up the fennel. 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: Then lower the heat simmer uncovered until the fennel is 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 2: very soft, which will take twenty to thirty minutes. Stir 65 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: occasionally and add a little more boiling water if necessary, 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: but there should be no liquid at all when the 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: fennel is cooked. End of page and the recipe. What 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: do you think of that? 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: I think it's beautifully red and very clear. Why of 70 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: all the recipes and all the books did you choose 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: the cook fedel. It's one of my favorite things to eat. 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: But I'm interested as to why you chose it. 73 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: I'm you may not know this about me. I'm easy 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: to please. This is all the height of cookery, and 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: this is all the most delicious things in the world. 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: But I'm easy to please, and I like all food. 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: There's anything I kind of haven't tried, wouldn't try and enjoy. 78 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 2: It looks great to me. Look at that. My mouth 79 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: is watering as I look at this picture. How'd you 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: come up with this? This your recipe? 81 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: Well interesting because the recipe came for somebody who really 82 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: influenced my cooking and my partner rose in the River 83 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: Cafes cooking. Richard's mother, daughter Rogers, who came from Trieste 84 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: and from Florence, came to London just before the war 85 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: Second World War, and she kept her cooking tradition really 86 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: close to her and taught many many people how to cook. 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: And one of the interesting things about the way she 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: cooked was the way she cooked and weigh Italians cooked vegetables, 89 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: cooking the feedle slowly and olive oil and garlic, but 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: then adding water makes it all melt and absorbed the 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: juices intensifies a flavor. So I learned this recipe from 92 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: my mother in law, Dada Rogers. 93 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: What's her first name. 94 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: Her name was Ermine Garda, but they called her data. 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: So who does the cooking? Do you cook for your children? 96 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: Do you cook? 97 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's funny. My wife now Emily, with whom I've 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: been for about ten years. She was Emily Livingston. We 99 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: got married four years ago. She's now Emily gold Bloom. 100 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: She's from Canada. Her mom is French from nant and 101 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: she's very close to her mom. Her mom is a 102 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: kind of wonderful cook, you know, makes creps and all 103 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: kinds of things. She prides herself on her cooking. And 104 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: they love their food over there, and that family loves 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: their food. And Emily, she was in the Olympics. She 106 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: early on got the bug to be a gymnast, and 107 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: she studied some Bulgarian coach star and took her to 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: Russia for most of the years between eleven and sixteen, 109 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: much to her mother's anxiety, but she wound up being 110 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: the Pan American champion and then she was in the Olympics. 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: And now she has taken the cooking and learning some 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: of her mom's recipes. She's been cooking, baking bread craps 113 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: and croked monsieur and croke madam and so she cooks. 114 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: We had breakfast this morning and she cooked some scrambled 115 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: eggs with cheese in them, and then she made oatmeal. 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: See I I'm easy to please. I can have this 117 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: every day. It was kind of sweetened with maple syrup. 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: And she has this French butter that she likes to 119 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: put a little in and had some cheese seeds in 120 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: it like that. That's what why I had this morning. 121 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: Did you grow up what did your parents cook? What 122 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: was food like at home? 123 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's funny. I grew up in Pittsburgh. My dad 124 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: was I think like your dad was. Wasn't your dad 125 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: a doctor? 126 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 127 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: My dad was a doctor also, and his parents were 128 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: from Russia and my mom's parents, her dad was from Austria. 129 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: My dad's dad was named Kavartsik and changed it to 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: gold Bloom anyway, in our house, we had four kids, 131 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 2: the doctor and Missus Goldblum, and she used to cook. Yes, 132 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: this is the fifties sixties in America, so this is 133 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: meat loaf time. There was, you know, canned vegetables that 134 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: were popular at the time. They even introduced us to 135 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: one nights that they went out to Swanson's TV Dinners. 136 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: TV Dinners. 137 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Swiss steak and all that stuff. But she would 138 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: make things. I remember this. She had a recipe for 139 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: potato salad. My mouth is watering now and I'm getting 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: a little nostalgic about it. She used to make it. It 141 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: was her own thing. It was mayonnaise and potatoes and 142 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: celery and olives. She had these green olives, the kind 143 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: of you get with pimentos in them. I love that. 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: But she would make also this spaghetti. I'll tell you, 145 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: I love this thing. It was spaghetti, now that I 146 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: know it. I don't think she called it this bolonaise. 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: I think she said, with meat sauce. And she put 148 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: it in a great big kind of translucent green bowl, 149 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: dark green bowl. Geez. I loved that so much. That 150 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: was great. And then we got a barbecue outside. They 151 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: liked to put steaks on the grill, and they went 152 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: on cruises and stuff. You can imagine, the doctor and 153 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 2: they went to Las Vegas for some you know doctor, 154 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: you know, getaways and cruises and that kind of stuff. 155 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: Come back from Haiti with a couple of items, you know, 156 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: and they paid in a shuffle board court on the 157 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: cement in our backyard. Can you believe it? I was 158 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: the only you know, it was a blue collar neighborhood. 159 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: All the other kids in school were kids of steel workers. 160 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: I was a fish out of water already, a very 161 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: strange boy in a strange family. I think. Then they 162 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: had a little wet bar, I remember, and every couple 163 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: of weeks they would have the chair news come over 164 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: to play bridge, and I would listen from my upstairs bedroom, 165 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: you know, just hear sounds going on. We were supposed 166 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: to be asleep. 167 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 3: But it is interesting that food and memory so are 168 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: memories of our childhood. You're remembering the costain the green ball. 169 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: You remember it was in a green bowl, and you 170 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: remember the is very strong for all of us, is 171 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: the memory of our child is listening to our parents dinners, 172 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: you know, when we're supposed to be in bed wondering 173 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: did they eat different food for their grown up friends 174 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: as opposed to what beate around the table. When did 175 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: you start becoming aware of other cultures, other food and 176 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: rest Did you go with two restaurants with your pre 177 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: That must be being a bad interview When did you 178 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: become aware of other food culture? 179 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: You're a very good interviewer. I like that multipart question. 180 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to answer all of them. I can. 181 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: I was about to ask a multi part question. 182 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: I'll give you a doctor's excuse. You're doing very well. 183 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: So here's your multipart question. And the first part that 184 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: I want to talk about is the restaurants we went 185 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: to in Pittsburgh, and there weren't many, but we would 186 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: go to well this is of course the beginning of 187 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: you know, fast food stuff. And I remember there's a 188 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: place called Eaton Park that we used to go and 189 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: get some stuff and eat in the car. And they 190 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: had chipped ham that people from Pittsburgh will know that. 191 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: We used to come home and make kind of sloppy jos, 192 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: but with this chip ham that we put barbecue sauce 193 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: with his stuff that was kind of delicious. Then there 194 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: was this pizza place on Saturdays we watched scary movies. 195 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: Chili Billy, Cardilly and my older brothers they were starting 196 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: to drive, and they would go to this place called 197 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: the Junction and Pizza and bring back this square cut pizza. Man. 198 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: I loved that. And then we would all go out 199 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: to Tambalini's restaurant, an Italian so called restaurant. I remember 200 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: that's the first time I tasted this thing called a 201 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 2: caesar salad. There was some hard boiled eggs in it, 202 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: and I thought that was spectacular. And then we would go, 203 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: wait a minute, wait a minute, go there was this one. 204 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: There must have been others. There was one Chinese restaurant. 205 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: I think it was bill Uns, and you know, we 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: would go on a once a month or something like 207 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: that on a Sunday night and it was I think 208 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: Cantonese and just you know, very kind of standard fair. 209 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: But I thought that was great too, you know, like 210 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: I say, every eating adventure was great. And then we 211 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: went on vacations. We would go to getting a station 212 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: wagon and all go to Atlantic City and get that 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: saltwater taffy on the boardwalk. And we went to New 214 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: York City once. That was in fourth grade, and we 215 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: went to Grantwich Village at the time, and had our 216 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: pictures done, our portraits done by some artists, you know, 217 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: beat nick artist on the street. 218 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: On the street. Hey, the first person I've ever met 219 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: that had one done on the street. Oh no, I 220 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: had one in the Piazza Navona once. 221 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. 222 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: It wasn't sophisticated at all. Do you know what, Jeff. 223 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: It's so similar to kind of my growing up because 224 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: my father would take us from upstate New York once 225 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: a month, and what we would do is we would 226 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: go see the big ships in the harbor at a 227 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: docked like the Queen Elizabeth. Then he would take us 228 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: to a musical in the afternoon, and then we would 229 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: go to sam Goodies do you remember that music store, 230 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: and we would buy the record from the musical. So 231 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: if it was I don't know, West Side Story, whatever 232 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: it was, you'd buy the record and then we would 233 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: we would have a restaurant meal, and then we would 234 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: go home and then we would just play the record 235 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: over and over and over until I knew every single song. 236 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: You're talking about now. We did grow up similarly. My 237 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: parents both sort of flirted early on in their youth 238 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: with a theatrical career some kind before it was going 239 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: to be a doctor. Da da da, And so they 240 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: were fans of the arts. They used to go on 241 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: their own to New York and see Broadway shows and 242 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: come back with the records, the cast albums of West 243 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: Side Stork and Fiddler on the Roof and My Fair 244 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: Lady and all those things. Yes, and I would listen 245 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: to it over and over learn it. But yeah, very similar. 246 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: In New York, we went to this place called the Cattleman. 247 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: I think it was a touristy kind of steak restaurant. 248 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: We'd get take home and they'd wrap it up in 249 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: some aluminum foil thing in the shape of a swan 250 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: or something. I remembered. I thought that was unusual. 251 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: Do you take your kids to restaurants? Because I think 252 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: it's the image of restaurant now so different for me, 253 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: my parents eating out in the restaurant was a special occasion, 254 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: and now I just see the way my kids and 255 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: kids and families eat out like all the time. Do 256 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: you take your kids to restaurants? 257 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: I agree, it's probably too much. And I'll bet with 258 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: your sensibility. You love the home style cooking and I 259 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: do too. And especially during this last COVID period, it's 260 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: forced us to eat less in restaurants. We weren't doing 261 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: it much before. We have a nice home life and 262 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: a nice culinary home life. I like meals with the kids. 263 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: I love breakfast with the kids, and we have dinner 264 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: with the kids. It's really great. But before that, we 265 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: had gotten together with my sister and gone to a 266 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: restaurant and I'll bet you would like here. Maybe you 267 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: know it in Los Angeles, Musso and Franks, but we 268 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: would go there. It's a kind of traditional restaurant. They 269 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: say it's the oldest restaurant in Los Angeles. And we'd 270 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: go with the kids and my sister. They have a 271 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: menu that doesn't say sorbet. They still call it Sherbet, 272 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: you know. And then we would go to a couple 273 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: other places, but not many. But things are just opening 274 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: up now. And we went just this last weekend with 275 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: the kids for the first time in a long while 276 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: to Craigs, who kind of built an outdoor place and 277 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: they're kind of Italian and this and that, and they 278 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: had a good time there. But the kids like food. 279 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: It's so interesting to see the kids eat and what 280 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: they like. 281 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: You know, did you ever work in a restaurant? 282 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: I never, did you know? I was so lucky. I 283 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: have an unusual story. As soon as I decided to 284 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: become an actor, I went to New York, lived there 285 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: four years, studied with Sandy Monizer, and then as soon 286 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: as I finished school, even before I started school, I 287 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: kind of happened into work and started to work, and 288 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: have worked steadily for these last four decades or so 289 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: without ever having to take another straight so called job, 290 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: except for one week I sold pens and pencils on 291 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: the phone, but I'm too sensitive for that. I wound 292 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: up in the hospital. I don't know, maybe related or unrelated, 293 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: but anyway, that was the last time I did something 294 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: not having to do with that or music. You know, 295 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: I played music these days and go out and they 296 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: give us some money for playing music. But I do 297 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: all of it just because I love it. That's why 298 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: I ever did any of it. 299 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: Now because restaurants, I just think that actors do gravitate 300 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: to working in restaurants because they are theatrical, aren't they? Restaurants? 301 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: Even and if you're in a bad mood, you have 302 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: to be in a good mood, or if you don't 303 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: like the customer, you have to pretend you like the customer. 304 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: And also dramatic things happen in restaurants. I always say 305 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: people do very private things in a public space. And 306 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: Michael Kaine said he never ever did a movie without 307 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: doing the deal first in a restaurant. He said, all 308 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: the movie deals were always made over lunch. But did 309 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: you find that or is your generation different with restaurants 310 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: for you working lunches, or is it always just pleasure? 311 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: It's been many different things. It has been a lot 312 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: of business. There's a hotel near here near my house. 313 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: I've been in the same house for thirty five years, 314 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: and there's a hotel near here that has a very 315 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: nice place, and I've had many meetings there with people 316 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: on movies that I'm going to do and projects that 317 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to do, or just to meet people or 318 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: talk about things. And yeah, that's happened a lot and 319 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: private things. And I like kind of you know, restaurants 320 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: that are casual in a way where you feel very 321 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: free for you know, and counter a human encounter that 322 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: can be freewheeling, isn't so stuffy, you know. I like that. 323 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: But I'd love to come now and see you and 324 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: go to the restaurant. 325 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: You know what, we could put a piano in the 326 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: River Cafe and we could play the piano and say 327 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: we have a beautiful place for a piano. 328 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: I would love to because I know you opened Sylvia's 329 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: and you've got live piano music there. 330 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just closed Sylvia's. 331 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: Why what happened? 332 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: It's a long story, but it was just a small 333 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: little space that they gave us for a short time. 334 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: The landlord's It's sweet. It was named it after my mom. 335 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: Oh, Sylvia. 336 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 337 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: He was also an was Shirley. My mom was Shirley. 338 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: Shirley. That'd be a nice name for a little restaurant, Shirley's. Yeah. 339 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: So Sylvia's won't be your cooking there. And you took 340 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: the piano that you were using there and you may 341 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: put it back. 342 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to maybe move it into the River Cafe. 343 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask you about well, first of all, 344 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: movies and food. When you're working, do you stop for food? 345 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 3: Do you care about what you eat on set? When 346 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: you're in the theater, do you eat before the play, 347 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: after the play? What's the relationship between food and more? 348 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: Very interesting, Well, I think I have a system like 349 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 2: a hummingbird in some way myself. So I if anything, 350 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: I can run out of steam. I need foods. So 351 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: on the set these days, and there's a lot to 352 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: talk about it, different kinds of cruise and places you 353 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: shoot movies where they have different things. You know, in France, 354 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: I've made movies and they have a bottle of wine 355 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: on the table and they take a nice leisurely lunch. 356 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: But in this thing I just did, I did the 357 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: thor thing. And in Australia and they have a walking lunch, 358 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: meaning nobody takes a break, and there's food that comes 359 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: around and you just eat as you go. But these days, 360 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 2: I like, you know, when I'm acting, I need fuel 361 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: and the best kind of fuel. So I'm still experimenting 362 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: with you know, whole grains, carbs and. 363 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: Thank you's outside. 364 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: I know I'm in my backyard. Did you see that? 365 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: You saw it on radio? Here's my backyard. 366 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: Do you grow vegetables there? No? 367 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wish I was like you. I'll 368 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: bet or my friend ed Begley Junior and had a 369 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: whole garden and could really eat just from his backyard. 370 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: But no, what we've got is I'm walking you back? 371 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: Is I want to show you this low quat tree. 372 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know about low quots. 373 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: That's an orange tree that there's nothing. 374 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: Now now it's cutting in and out. 375 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: That's good. Hey, you know what I came upon speaking 376 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: of that fennel recipe, you know, tell me, I came 377 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: upon a poem by Longfellow from eighteen forty two called 378 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: The Goblet of Life that has a little snippet about fennel. 379 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: You want to hear. It's just a few lines. It 380 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 2: goes like this, above the lower plants, it towers the 381 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: fennel with its yellow flowers, and in an earlier age 382 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 2: than ours, was gifted with the wondrous powers lost vision 383 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: to restore. How about that? 384 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: Oh? Well, fedel is a very romantic It is because 385 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: it has these incredible leaves. You can have a fedal herb, 386 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: you have the bulb of fenel, you have the stalks 387 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: of fennel. It does feel long fellow ish. That's interesting. 388 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: But food is romantic, I mean it is talking is romantic. 389 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 3: When you were talking about Kubrick, I was thinking about 390 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: food in movies, you know, and I was thinking about, Okay, 391 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: this will put me in my generation. But the kitchen 392 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: scene and the big chill and the scene around the table, 393 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: and also this is a multi question question, but also 394 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: the Budapest Hotel is about eating and sleeping and food 395 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 3: and the politics and it's just it's all fits, doesn't it. 396 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: It's so interesting. 397 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: I love movies about food. I'm thinking about Tom Popol 398 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: off the top of my head. You ever see that movie? Yeah, 399 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: But West, of course is a person like you, of 400 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: terrific sophistication. And during the filming of Grand Buda Post Hotel, 401 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: he had a chef come in and we all it 402 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: took over this one kind of picturesque, spectacular little hotel 403 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: and we had these lovely meals with a candelabra and 404 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: d D every night that he did invite us to. 405 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? And the movie itself, of course, is 406 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: about provision of services, including food for you know people. 407 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: It's it's delicious and romantic. 408 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing. But whether it's in cinema 409 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: or in real life, when you sit around a table 410 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: and movies where there is food and there's language and 411 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: sentiment and tears around the table in the kitchen, that's 412 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: it's so important. 413 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: So it's so important in all our lives, oh my gosh. 414 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: And food is also political, you know, it's also social, 415 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: and it's unfair, and it's you know, poverty and wealth 416 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: and particularly now sustainability and how we're going to feed 417 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: the planet. 418 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: Sure, food has everything to do with who we are, 419 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: how we situate ourselves in the community and figure out 420 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: how to make this world work for every single one 421 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: of us, including every single creature on the planet, how 422 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: to coexist with every other creature without exercising brutal dominion 423 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: that we imagine we may have the right to over 424 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: other creatures, and figure out how to peacefully and more 425 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: beautifully coexist with each other. So it's a big challenge 426 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: and we must do it. And as you know, there's 427 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: no reason why the planet is generous and ample, and 428 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: it's only our political will and mismanagement that allows us 429 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: not to figure out how to make it work for everyone, 430 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: and especially how to get everybody fit. And like speaking 431 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: of Grand Budapest Hotel, it's besides figuring out how to 432 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: share the food with everybody. Just offering things and cooking 433 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: in a way that's gracious, elegant, artful and loving is 434 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: an effective and high class political statement, isn't it in 435 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: that movie which is about you know, fighting fascism and 436 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: all that stuff. You know, just sweetness and elegance, you know, 437 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: is an act of politics. 438 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: I think so. And I think that food is as 439 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: you say, it's about love, it's about protection, it's about 440 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: generosity and consciousness, memories, memories, memories, and it's also about comfort. 441 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: We want to give other people comfort, so we feed them, 442 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: and there's times when we need comfort, so we feed ourselves. 443 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: So I guess my very last question, and I hate 444 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: to leave you because I love you. What would be 445 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: your comfort food when you need comfort? Is there something 446 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: that you would go for? 447 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: Trying to be disciplined because I can be comforted by 448 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: all sorts of food. Food does comfort me, and a 449 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: lot of food could comfort me at a lot of moments. 450 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: But if I had to show, and this is this 451 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: is going to sound very primitive, I like cold cereal. 452 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: You know, if I get up in the middle of 453 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: the night, give me a bowl and give me some 454 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: milk or milk substitute, it doesn't matter. I experiment with 455 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: all those different kind of milks and stuff like that, 456 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: and cereal, and they're all kind of different cereals. You know, 457 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: I try to stay low on the sugar, so I 458 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: like to let them get a little soggy. I'll take 459 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: that first couple of bites of when it's a little crisp, 460 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: but when it gets not too soggy, but just medium soggy, 461 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: I'm very happy about that. And I like a ball 462 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: of cereal. 463 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: I think that's a beautiful answer. And we'll have your 464 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: Mom's bull easy, we'll have meat, love even, we can 465 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 3: have whatever we want, and we'll have cereal together. So 466 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 3: we're just waiting for you in London and waiting for 467 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: you to come. 468 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: I want to I'm going to take you up on that. 469 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see you. 470 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: And give you a piano in the River Cafe. We'll sing. 471 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: We'll play and sing all night. 472 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 3: This holiday season. If you can't come to the River Cafe, 473 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: the Cafe will come to you. Our beautiful gift boxes 474 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: are full of ingredients we cook with and design objects 475 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 3: we have in our homes. 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