1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: He demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 2: a week. He could be really bullied. He could also 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: be very charming. It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: it was it was a life. He took over your life. 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 3: You had to have seen Diddy's face. He literally was like, 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: what is even happening right now? 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: His jaw was on the ground. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: It's the legacy of Sean Combs. Are you kidding me? 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: What about all the women that we're hearing from, one 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: after the next after the next, woman of color that 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: has gotten a beating from Shawn Combs. No one seems 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: to hear that. Could you show him the shocks of 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: that gash on Caste? 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 5: Such traffic busted. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Lit byway, you say, that's how you went all your cases. 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: You say, don't listen to that. 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: Look over here, black eyes bat lit, and I think 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: many of us watching here all feel the same way. 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, justice for Cassie Nancy Bombshell. Tonight, tgif D, 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: Thank goodness it's Friday, Diddy, because this has been an 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: incredible week in the courtroom. I'm talking about that multi 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: count federal indictment against Shawn Combs being tried right now, 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: United States versus Shawn Comes and the Monahan Federal Courthouse 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Straight out to Lauren Colins standing by at 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: the courthouse, Lauren, what happened today Today? 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: In court, we heard from the government cell phone expert, 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: the forensic expert who did the extractions on Cassie Venture's 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: cell phone. He talked about extracting a significant amount of 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: deleted data and why certain things would appear on the 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: screen in evidence as we're seeing it. So, for example, 32 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: a deleted text thread might not have certain users' names, 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: so we've seen blanks, we've seen duplicate names, and he 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: explained all of this away. After that, we heard testimony 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: from Jane Doe, who is victim three now. Jane Doe 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: described meeting Sean Combs early twenty twenty, and she met 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: him through a friend while they were on a girl's trip, 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: and she testified that this friend was once in a 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 3: relationship with Diddy, so she kind of kept her distance. 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: They exchanged numbers and from there they began a relationship 41 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: after her friend moved on, and. 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: She actually talked about the fact that. 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: She was in a relationship with Sean Colmes from twenty twenty, 44 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: all the way up until his arrest. Now, Jane Doe 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: testified that the relationship truly started off as a fairy tale. 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: He took her away to Turks and Caicos and then 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: the Bahamas, but he also offered her ten thousand dollars 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: after this trip. He said, you know, I know that 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: you haven't been able to work while you're on this trip, 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: so here's some money. She talked about being a content creator, 51 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: so that was her main form of income. She's also 52 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: a single mother. And from there, the government kind of 53 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: started to ask, well, which cities did he take you too? 54 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: Did he pay you money often, to which she testified, 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: you know, he paid me money frequently. He ended up 56 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: paying her rent at some point, and eventually, about three 57 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: or four months into their relationship, that's when he brought 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: up being with another man. And he said this was 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: a fantasy, and she said, okay, she didn't think that 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: he was actually serious. Well, it turns out he was serious. 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: She went to the bathroom, and this was after they 62 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: had already been engaging in sexual activity for twelve to 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: fifteen hours prior. He goes and he calls someone he 64 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: knows named Don and arranges don for that very night, 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: and then she describes going to a hotel room that 66 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: night in Miami, corroborated the oil, the assistant setting it up, 67 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: and then said she engaged in this act with Dawn 68 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: while Didy watched again what we've heard before, and then 69 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: after that she said it was pretty much a door 70 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: that was opened that she couldn't close. She testified telling 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: him and writing numerous times that she didn't want to 72 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: be with other men. She wanted to be with him, 73 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: but because he was paying her rent, she felt obligated. 74 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: She said her only form of income, because she always 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: had to be constantly ready for Ditty, was Ditty's money 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: that he was sending to her and the child support 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: she was getting. 78 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, could you tell me how the jury was reacting? 79 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin. 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: The defense was actually admonished today when the judge warned 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: them that Ditty was actually looking at the jury and 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: kind of nodding his head during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination 83 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: of Brianna Bongalin. Apparently he had gotten this warning before, 84 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: and the judge told the defense, if he does this again, 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: he will be removed moved from the courtroom. 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Joining me now a special guest, longtime friend and colleague 87 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter. Rob was Shawn Combs is PR guru for years. 88 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: He no longer works for him, Thank goodness, or I'd 89 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: be grilling you even worse. Rob Shooter, host of Naughty 90 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: but Nice podcast that's at robshooter dot substack dot com. 91 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Author of the foreword answer, Rob, I want to talk 92 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: about what Mia has been saying on the stand all 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: day and for several days, the fact that she lived 94 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: in fear. You know, I believe it was you that 95 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody to go 96 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in the morning, 97 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: and they did it. They found a place that was open, 98 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: they got the cheesecake and brought it back to Sean Combs. 99 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: It seems as if he was very imperious with his employees. 100 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: To the fact that Mia describes PTSD, that's what she's describing. 101 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: I've seen it in a lot of crime victims. Describe 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: what you witnessed. 103 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never 104 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: had a job, I've never experienced anything like that again, 105 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him. 106 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was 107 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: it was a life. He took over your life. He 108 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. 109 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming, 110 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking 111 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll 112 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: ever know. 113 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because 114 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: if he could make a grown person get out of 115 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him 116 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the 117 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could yet 118 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: down at the Dagstino's right, what could he make someone 119 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized. 120 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to hear what it was like. 121 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: You say it was a way of life. It was 122 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: your life. Why it was our lives? 123 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: Because we were young. He had picked people to work 124 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: with him that he could control. There was nobody on 125 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was 126 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: all about him. He carefully groomed us all, he carefully 127 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: selected us, all and if anybody came into his world 128 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: who said no, who was too experienced to move better, 129 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: they didn't. Last he was the ringmaster and we played 130 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: along in his. 131 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: Circus rob Shooter. You stated that Sean Holmes has a 132 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: very carefully choreographed personal image, and you told a story 133 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: about making the press move at a private airport. I 134 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: guess it was Teeterborough. So as they all filmed Sean 135 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: Combs pulling up, yet at first you didn't see the 136 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: private plane, and he was so angry. He actually single 137 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: handily made all the press move where they were standing 138 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: so he could re enter teterborow so when he got 139 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: out of his suv you could see the private plane 140 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: behind him. 141 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: Describe Yeah, absolutely true. I was on the tarmac. The 142 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: press was lined up waiting for him, everybody from national 143 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: shows to local press. And he drove up in his 144 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,239 Speaker 2: car and he realized they were shooting this ugly airport 145 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: terminal behind him, and he wanted a shot of this 146 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: very very expensive private plane. So what he did is 147 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: he left, he restaged his entrance. We spun the press 148 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: around and we had to go down that line, Nancy 149 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: and make sure every member of the press who were 150 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: videoing deleted their original footage, so we did not leave 151 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: this to chance. It was something that he had thought of. 152 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought about this, but he told me 153 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: make sure they're all deleted the footage. I don't want. 154 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: I don't want to give them the choice of deciding 155 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: which footage to use. They'll use the one that I 156 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: give them. 157 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: So he got an entire fleet of the media to 158 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: change their positions and delete video. I'm making a point. 159 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Listen to this, Shooter. 160 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 6: Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's 161 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 6: caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS. Sorry, 162 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 6: I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs had 163 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 6: threatened her life on a phone call the night before, 164 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 6: and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if 165 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 6: she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat, 166 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 6: and Mia responds, of course, reading off her profusely thankful caption. Thanks, Poff, 167 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 6: love you. You've shown me the world. 168 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is 169 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross 170 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: examined about wishing Sean Holmes's happy birthday on a post. 171 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Now I have seen rape victims go along to get along, 172 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: whether he was in your employer forcing sex on you, husband, partner, 173 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm judge, and you don't want to make waves in 174 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: the courthouse, so you put up with it and you 175 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: just keep going. But he's really tearing her up on 176 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: the stand about this shoot or what do you make 177 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: of it? 178 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: You know him? Yeah? I think this is directed by Diddy. 179 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: I think Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling 180 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: his lawyers what to do, which might be a mistake, 181 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: but his ego is very, very big and news flashy 182 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: and Nancy, it is possible to think love a monster. 183 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: A person can be a terrible person and you can 184 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: still have feelings towards them, And I think that's a 185 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: mistake here that did he is making. I think people 186 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: know the difference. And just because I post something a 187 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: birthday message, something kind towards you, does it mean you 188 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: can't also be a terrible human being? 189 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter. Are you surprised that Sean Combs has been 190 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: able to keep so many alleged victims quiet for so long? 191 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur after Cassie Ventura came out, 192 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: and we are asking the wrong questions we're saying, why 193 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: are you suing him for money? You're in it just 194 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: for the money, Cassie, Ventura or Mia, instead of asking 195 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: the question, why is Sean Combe's paying millions and millions 196 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: of dollars to keep these victims quiet? Why do you 197 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: think so many victims have gone unheard until now? Maybe 198 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: because of what we see happening to Mia on the stand. 199 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's going to be that We've seen. 200 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 2: There's a long history of this money, power, fame are 201 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: all really intoxicating. If you can't bully them with your fame, 202 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: then you throw money at the problems. And I think 203 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: we have to be honest here. The tape of Cassie 204 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: changed everything. Woulce that videotape existed, Nancy. We saw what 205 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: happened when somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running 206 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: down a hallway, She's trying to get away from him, 207 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: and look what happened to her. That's why people didn't leave. 208 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't 209 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: just the power, Nancy, it was the violence. 210 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: Joining me right now Entertainment, legal fear commentator, host podcast 211 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: The armand Wiggans show. Arman, we're going thank you for 212 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: being with us. What's your takeaway from today Friday in 213 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: the courtroom? 214 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 7: Thanks for asking Nancy, So for me, the biggest takeaway, honestly, 215 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 7: it is just the fact that he didn't love that 216 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 7: girl like she loved him. At the end of the day, 217 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 7: I think that she was looking for a relationship. She 218 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 7: was looking or a boyfriend. She was looking for a husband, 219 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 7: she was looking for a lover. She keep re in 220 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 7: she kept reiterating that she was doing things for her lover. 221 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 7: She was doing things for her partner. She was doing 222 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 7: things for her man. She would bathe him after they 223 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 7: would have these hotel nights. She would cook for him, 224 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 7: after they do these hotel nights. She would put on 225 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 7: his favorite TV shows. After she would do this hotel nights, 226 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 7: and she would do majority of all the work in 227 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 7: these hotel nights, and at the end of the night 228 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 7: she would finally get to have some alone time with Diddy. 229 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 7: I think that at the end of the day, she 230 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 7: wanted a relationship. She wanted a husband. He didn't want that. 231 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 7: He wanted a freak off partner. He wanted a sex slave, 232 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 7: and he wanted to get his freaky fetishes off with 233 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 7: her through other men. 234 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Arman, I'm curious, what do you think was the strongest 235 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: evidence for the state this past week in the case 236 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: against strong Comes. 237 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 7: Right now as of the break strongest evidence so far 238 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 7: for me was a video audio recording. So there actually 239 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 7: was a video, but they played the audio of where 240 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 7: there was a hookup night at a at the Hotel 241 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 7: Nights where Diddy, Jane Doe, and one of the male 242 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 7: escorts was there and Jane Doe was wanting to put 243 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 7: on a condom and Diddy was saying, no, you've already 244 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 7: been taking that, d why do you want a condom now? So, 245 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 7: I think that was the first time we actually got 246 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 7: to hear some actual hotel night freak off information. And 247 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 7: so to hear her asking for condoms and Diddy not 248 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 7: wanting her to actually use the condom was very powerful 249 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 7: because it goes to the fact that hey, he didn't 250 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 7: want me to use these condoms, and I didn't use 251 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 7: the condoms because I just wanted to make my partner happy. 252 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 7: And you could hear Diddy in the back saying, just 253 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 7: let's get to it, let's keep it moving. 254 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: Sean Comes aka did he allegedly paid off an employee 255 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars to get 256 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look at the 257 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was speculated upon 258 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: so much in the press. Where did the video come from? 259 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: Did it come from the raid on? Did he's mansion? 260 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Did he have it there? Where did it come from? Wow, 261 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: you wonder why he paid one hundred thousand dollars. Did 262 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: he think it would never come to light? Busted in 263 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: court sworn testimony that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand 264 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: dollars to get his mits on this video. And this 265 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You 266 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once 267 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: the saw this, they had to do something. The statute 268 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so it 269 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: was up to the Feds and what were they gonna do? 270 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: Stand there with their thumb up their ear end? No, 271 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: they had to act er go. Therefore the multi count 272 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: federal indictment. What was Sean Comes's reaction typically when he 273 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: doesn't get his way, Because in court, when he was 274 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: watching Brian Steel who's a very very good trial lawyer. 275 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: It's a great defense attorney, right, I've watched him in action. 276 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: So Steele started off with Mia with the Andy and 277 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers, but yet being 278 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: genial to her. He didn't want to beat up on Mia. 279 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: And you could see Sean Kin's going uh uhh, moving 280 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: around and twisting around and holding his face and all that. 281 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the dream could see him. And then suddenly 282 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: Brian Steele has a change of heart. You can imagine 283 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: if he if Diddy is driving, is steering that ship, 284 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: then he gets really mean to Meya still does so 285 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: did he not getting what he wants? Can you imagine 286 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: how angry he was when he finds out that was 287 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars right down the crapper there was 288 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: another copy. 289 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell 290 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey. 291 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: But somebody with all the money that he has is 292 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he 293 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: didn't have to pay for. He wanted to get free clothes, 294 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: free dinners, free tickets if he went at a club's restaurants, 295 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: he just didn't want to pay for stuff, and so 296 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: for him to have to reach into his own pocket 297 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: and pay one hundred thousand dollars, which I think that 298 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: tape is incredibly cheap. That tape is going to change 299 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: his life, and so it was worth tens of millions 300 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: of dollars. For him to get it for one hundred 301 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: thousand dollar is cheap. And then to find out he 302 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: didn't get it all there was another copy. He will 303 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: have exploded. 304 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another 305 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: video floating around. Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was 306 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: with former Federal Task Force officer for the US Department 307 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: of Justice in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting 308 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: around twiddling their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator. 309 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: He is now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't 310 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: you just hate it when you blackmail somebody to the 311 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: team of one hundred grand and there's another video floating 312 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: around ret row? 313 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 8: I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you 314 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 8: really think that no one else was going to have 315 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 8: a video of dittying kicking the hell out of somebody, 316 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 8: especially Cassie Ventura, come on time. So here's the beauty 317 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 8: of all this with the government, this cast of guard 318 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 8: letter stuff, this King for a day, Queen for a day. 319 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 8: They need people to give testimony. I lure being indicted 320 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 8: to say what happened? 321 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: Standing by his investigative reporter Lauren Conlins. He's been in 322 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: the courtroom all day long, star off Pop Crime TV. 323 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: What a bomb, a state bomb for the defense drut 324 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: right in the middle of that clatch of lawyers one 325 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid off for bribery. Bribery which, 326 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at you have 327 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: to have an underlying felony or predicate act to prove Rico, 328 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: tell me how that went over in the courtroom. 329 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy, we started off by getting a really big 330 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: interruption by a woman that works for the MTA. The 331 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: entire courtroom turned around is before Eddie Garcia, the witness, 332 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: walked in. But that was quite a moment. She was 333 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: screaming at the press, saying that the press is awful 334 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: and the press is laughing at Ditty, And you should 335 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: have seen Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom. 336 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 4: We were all in shock. 337 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was 338 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified 339 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant 340 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Colmes himself. 341 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look, 342 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 3: I already told your assistant here, but I don't have 343 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: any clearance to obtain this video that you want me 344 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: to obtain. 345 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 4: I cannot go in this room. Only my boss can 346 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 4: do that. 347 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: And he described did He kind of just buttering him up, saying, 348 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, I know you can do it, Eddie, I 349 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 3: believe in. 350 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 4: You type of thing. 351 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: And he also described Didty as being very nervous seeming 352 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation 353 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: if it gets out. Now he said, okay, you know, 354 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: I'll talk to my boss, et cetera. And this was 355 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: actually after receiving a call from Diddy and Christina on 356 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 3: his cell phone. They started off by calling him at 357 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 3: the general security desk. They somehow got his cell phone, 358 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: which he said did make him a little bit nervous, 359 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: and he said that, you know, he talked to his 360 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 3: boss and he said, look, this is what's going on. 361 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: They want this. 362 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 3: Video, and his boss said, okay, tell him fifty thousand dollars. 363 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: They make this meeting happen where Diddy tells him a 364 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: meeting place. He goes and gets this black USB from 365 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: his boss at the Intercontinental, and he goes and he 366 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 3: meets with Diddy, and he describes being taken up to 367 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: this room by one of Ditty's security guards. He meets 368 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy, and he says 369 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: that after some back and forth, did he requested the 370 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss and another gentleman. 371 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 3: And one of the first testimonies we heard, I think 372 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: it actually was the first one was Israel Flores, who 373 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: also was on duty day. But Eddie Garcia said, I 374 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 3: don't think that Israel Flores is going to go for this. 375 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: So they got the idea of somebody else and they 376 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: texted these to him. 377 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 4: He went in another room, came back, got an NDA. 378 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 3: Eddie Garcia had to sign this this NDA, and then 379 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: eventually did He came back with a brown bag of 380 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: money and a money counter and he did not get 381 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. He got one hundred thousand dollars. And 382 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: he also said that about two weeks later it was easter. 383 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: Did he called him again to check in, saying, Eddie, 384 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: my angel, you know, how are you have you heard 385 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: anything or anybody mentioned this video at all? 386 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: And he said no, and that was that. 387 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Could you tell me what 388 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: this reaction in the courtroom when it came out from 389 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: not one but two witnesses that come had bribed one 390 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to get that video. 391 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than 392 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 3: they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is 393 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say 394 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: their heads kind of go back and forth between the 395 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: lawyer and the witness, you know appropriately, and they look 396 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 3: at the documents that they're reading. They we saw multiple 397 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 3: times the NDA on the screen and these jurors they 398 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: were reading it. 399 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 4: They wanted to catch every word here. 400 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining 401 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: us psychoanalyst out of la and author, doctor Bethany to 402 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: hear what she's saying. What Lauren Colin is stating to 403 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in 404 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: a bribe. And what's so important about the bribe not 405 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: just bribery on it own, but it serves as a 406 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: required underlying felony to show Rico. And you know Sean 407 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand. 408 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 9: Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but 409 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 9: he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down 410 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 9: the fence. And this is the telling moment for him. 411 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 9: I wish I had like a monitor to rate his 412 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 9: to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see 413 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 9: what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now. 414 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 9: I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the 415 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 9: veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty, 416 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 9: he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's 417 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 9: not going to be able to get away with this 418 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 9: once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents 419 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 9: when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's 420 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 9: going to be able to do about it. You can't 421 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 9: buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And 422 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 9: this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars bribe. You know, 423 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 9: this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's 424 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 9: bought people off. 425 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of 426 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: what we know now, it has been a long day 427 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia of Rodriguez. She 428 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: is the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast 429 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: titled The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts her 430 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: money and thank you for being with us. First thing 431 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: this morning, we saw a videographer expert on the stand. 432 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: What was the point right today? 433 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 10: First thing in the morning, a video expert, his name 434 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 10: is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and 435 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 10: he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage and 436 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 10: also sex videos. On the stand, he's based giving these 437 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 10: videos legitimacy because as we know Diddy's attorneys, particularly with 438 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 10: the La Assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and 439 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 10: put the idea out there that these videos have been 440 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 10: edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this 441 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 10: expert was basically there to tell the jury this videos 442 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 10: are legitimate, they have not been messed with and you 443 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 10: should trust them essentially, you. 444 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Know from the get go straight out to Greg Morse, 445 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is the lead 446 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: partner at Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon. 447 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Greg Morse, I believe there was a time that you 448 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: suggested that the freak Off videos were a myth, that 449 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well, buckle your 450 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: seat belt because this expert on the stand that Harmonia 451 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: just described is laying the foundation. What does that mean? 452 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: Whatever you bring in a video, an audio recording, really 453 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or a 454 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: picture or an article of clothing, you have to lay 455 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, judge, 456 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: can I bring in these notes? No, you have to say. 457 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: You have to have a witness under oath to say 458 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did 459 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't 460 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan 461 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: where anybody could change it. You've got to show that 462 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: it has been tampered with and the chain of custody, 463 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: who's held it, who's been in charge of it, is complete. 464 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: There's not a break in the chain and what it 465 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: purports to be that gives the other side a chance 466 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: to object on any of those grounds. So it's happening, Morse. 467 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of 468 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: the freak off tapes, which you at one time said 469 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: was just a miss. They didn't really exist, as if 470 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: it didn't happen, Yes you did. 471 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 5: Well, okay, they can introduce the free call videos. Again, 472 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 5: it doesn't mean sex trafficking and Rico happened here and 473 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 5: testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two, So they 474 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 5: can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to 475 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 5: keep their sex life private. Doctors, lawyers, famous people. These 476 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 5: things are not doesn't move the needle to sex trafficking yet, 477 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: So they can introduce all the videos they want. But 478 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 5: their core of their indictment is centered around the domestic 479 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 5: abuse video where miss Ventur is being beaten in that 480 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 5: hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so the 481 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 5: freak call videos are going to come in. When are 482 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 5: we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're going 483 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 5: to hear about drugged people. 484 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. 485 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: First of all, you said, I don't know if these 486 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: freecalls really happened, and if they did happen, they're not 487 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free coughs, 488 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: and we're laying the foundation right now. The state is 489 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: to introduce those freak of videos. Didn't you just hear 490 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an expert 491 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos, 492 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: that's the Intercontinental beat down, and sex tapes. What other 493 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: sex tape? It's got to be the freak coughs. They're 494 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: coming in to evidence and from what I understand, straight 495 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: out to Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter 496 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: on the case from the beginning, like Harmonia, Sidney, these 497 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: are not all consenting adults in engaging in an orgy 498 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: or group sex. I guess the new term would be polyamorous. 499 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney. 500 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 11: What we know, Nancy. They're alleging that these women or 501 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 11: men or all participants who may or may not have 502 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 11: been adults. We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits, 503 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 11: but SDNY is not specifically arguing that COM's targeted miners anyways, 504 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 11: The state, the government is claiming that these victims were 505 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 11: coerced in one way, shape or another, whether that was 506 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 11: by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through of 507 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 11: physical violence. Holmes used cowardon to get what he wanted 508 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 11: to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This was 509 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 11: not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested in doing. 510 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf, 511 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when 512 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: Cassie Venturro was getting beaten in the hallway of the 513 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: Intercontinental and dragged back, it was dragged back to a 514 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: room where she was being coerced into having sex with 515 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: a sex worker, and she was trying to run away. 516 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 5: You're making up testimony. You're making up testimony. All you're 517 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: doing is making up testimony. I I'm right, That's what 518 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 5: I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't produced any 519 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: testimony that says victim number one or victim number two 520 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 5: were coerced or forced or through fraud. This is you know, 521 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 5: people made choices in this situation from their own mouth. 522 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 5: Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah, I didn't 523 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 5: always like the freak offs. But I did them. You 524 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 5: had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventura paid me for the 525 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 5: freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under a 526 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 5: criminal indictment to things that people do. We may look 527 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 5: at it and say, I would never do that, I 528 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 5: would never. 529 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 10: Want to be involved in that. 530 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: But the edge, Sidney sum are joining us from crime stories, Sydney. 531 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: Isn't it true? They cast even to your test to 532 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: find that she was being dragged back to the room 533 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: and what was happening in the room number one and 534 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: number two? Isn't it true When the security guard who 535 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: we see in the video went back to the room, 536 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: he sees another guy in there. That's the sex worker. 537 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 11: That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel, 538 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 11: Flores and Caafy about that situation. Mores claimed that there 539 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 11: was another man in the room and he didn't make 540 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 11: any note of that man being in the room because 541 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 11: he was not directly involved in Sean Combe's and Cathy's altercation, 542 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 11: so he left that out of his incident reports about 543 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 11: the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But 544 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 11: now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cathy Ventura 545 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 11: said on the stand. That becomes incredibly important because it 546 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 11: backs up the fact that she said she was running 547 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 11: away from a free. 548 00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: Boby Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, Morris, do you 549 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: think Sidney Sumner she doesn't have a dog in the fight, 550 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: no skin in the game. You think she's lying so to. 551 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 5: Gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence, clearly 552 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 5: because she said it was consensual many times, and when 553 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 5: the jury is charged at the end of it still 554 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 5: told Nancy. You know they're going to be told what 555 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 5: reasonable doubt is conflict in the evidence? 556 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: Yes, I know that, but I also know's testimony. You 557 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: know what pat is mine. I can't take it anymore. Well. 558 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: Seawan comes, his family prepares their documentary to air after 559 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: the verdict, and his enablers prepare his comeback tour when 560 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: he is found not guilty according to them, not according 561 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: to me. A lot of people have been did he 562 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: THI joining me is a special guest's armand Wiggins Entertainment 563 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: legal affairs commentator hosts a podcast, The armand Wiggins Show, 564 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: And I want you to see what happened to him 565 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: outside the courthouse. 566 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 6: Oh okay, not down that. 567 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: This is crazy. Okay, that's from our friends at TMZ 568 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,959 Speaker 1: Harvey eleven. You know, armand Wiggins. Please don't like because 569 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: you never know when somebody comes up to you on 570 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: the street starts screaming at you, whether they are high 571 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: on meth, whether they have a gun. So you know 572 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: what next time, please just don't engage, don't be the hero, 573 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: just say thank you and walk away. But yet you 574 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: engaged armand Wiggins. What was she screaming? 575 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 7: Honestly, she just was trying to go viral. She was screaming, 576 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 7: let's go via. She was saying a bunch of flagrant 577 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 7: obscenities to me, and I think it was just because 578 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 7: she saw me going live. This court, this case has 579 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 7: has become a zoo and a breeding ground for all 580 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 7: walks of life, and people are just coming. They're trying 581 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 7: to get their piece of the moment, their piece of 582 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 7: the viral moment, and just shouting out and making stuff up. 583 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 7: So there was a woman that got put out of 584 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 7: the courtroom. This woman was heckling. So it was actually 585 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 7: I didn't even know who this woman was. She just 586 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 7: saw me on live camera. She figured, okay, this is 587 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 7: a content creator. He goes viral firs Diddy News and 588 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 7: let me go and trash him in his live feed 589 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 7: and hopefully I'll make the news. 590 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: A lot of people are well, they've been ditified, and 591 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: without knowing any of the evidence, or ignoring the little 592 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: bit of evidence they do know, they're convinced the Shaw 593 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: Comes is innocent. You know, I got into it with 594 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Ray j again, but I want you to hear you 595 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: mentioned a woman that got dragged out of court by 596 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: armed guards. Well, listen to her, Diddy. 597 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: Everyone thinks this as a joke, laughing at black man 598 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 3: legacy being destroyed. 599 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 7: Everyone has been laughing. 600 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't care if it sounded funny. 601 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 11: It's not funny. 602 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: No, it's not funny for women to get beaten, raped, drugged, 603 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: dragged over and over and over. And it's not just 604 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: one woman. It's not just Cass even Tira. It's one 605 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: after the next, after the next. That was from our 606 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: friends at BBC on TikTok. Back to you, Arman Wiggins 607 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: who was assaulted outside of the courthouse. I just heard 608 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: her talking about the legacy of Sean Comes and wrapping 609 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: it into the legacy of black men that they should 610 00:36:53,560 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: not be wrongfully attacked. What about black women? What about them? 611 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: Do they not matter in the black legacy? What about them? 612 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: What about all the women that we're hearing from, What 613 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: about Capricorn Clark? What about one after the next after 614 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: the next woman of color that has gotten a beating 615 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: from Sean Combs? And do you know how close it 616 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: was for this woman hanging off a balcony by high 617 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: on something Shawn Combs? But yet no one seems to 618 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: hear that. What about these women at the legacy of 619 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: Seawan Combs? Are you kidding me? It sounds like exactly 620 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: what ray J and I were arguing about on TMZ. 621 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: You're saying the same thing, He's not crazy. 622 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 7: Well, you know, ray J was mentioned in the court 623 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 7: documents Cassie's drug dealer too yesterday, so there might be 624 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 7: some affiliation there. But you know, I talked to ray J. 625 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 7: Raj said they had nothing to do with him, and 626 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 7: he's not sure why Diddy's team is mentioning him. I 627 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 7: don't know what that relationship is. But in regards to 628 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 7: the women, I think that the prosecution is doing a 629 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 7: great job because one thing that we cannot get around 630 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 7: is whenever they played that video and when they got 631 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 7: into that forensic audio and video, and you saw Cassie 632 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 7: being yoked up and dragged. I don't care what you're 633 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 7: talking about as far as Diddy's legacy. You have a heart, 634 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 7: you have an emotion, and you feel every blow, every kick, 635 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 7: and so I think that everybody in that room, man, woman, child, 636 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 7: they felt that. And there's no way that he's getting 637 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 7: around that. And the prosecution make sure every day they 638 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 7: played that video just in case you may have forgotten 639 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 7: what we're really here for. 640 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: Philip Debay is joining me veteran trial lawyer out of 641 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction. Debay, we're saying a whole another animal 642 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: right now. We've heard about beatings and draggings and yanking 643 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: people by their hair and kicking them, and that's something 644 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: that a lot of people see, whether it's in the movies, 645 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: whether they've seen it in real life. But dangling someone 646 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: off a seventeenth floor balcony, that's a whole nother thing 647 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: that really can't be made. 648 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 12: Up, No, of course not. But how I would play 649 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 12: it if I were his counsel is, like you said earlier, 650 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 12: is it real or is it just real testimony? Because 651 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 12: if you remember, it came out that she was hooked 652 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 12: on ketamine and all kinds of other drugs that are 653 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 12: various types of anesthetics that put you in a trance 654 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 12: like state, almost in a twilight state. So who really 655 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 12: knows what, if anything, she accurately members and it is not. 656 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: See, Cassie, we're doing drugs. Where do you think they 657 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: got those drugs? 658 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 12: Debate, Let's give them that, let's pretend, let's really pretend 659 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 12: he was applying them with dope. It is not his 660 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 12: mo to be defenestrating people. It's just simply not the case. 661 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 12: But I think for him better yet, is that just 662 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 12: because he is in a respondiat superior mob boss, he 663 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 12: can be acting in his individual maniacal capacity unmedicated that 664 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 12: does not fall under RICO. It falls under state crimes, 665 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 12: and the statutes of limitation have run. So what the 666 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 12: Feds are doing is they're using RICO as an end 667 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 12: run around the state statutal limitations that local DA's blue. 668 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: You know, the more the defense objects to any particular 669 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: line of questioning, the more sensitive it is. Right, the 670 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 1: more you scream at the dentist office is because that's 671 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: the more it hurts right there on that particular tooth 672 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: and they went after this witness tooth and nail to 673 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: Lauren Klan. There was quite quite a cross examination of 674 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: her on the stand. 675 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 3: What happened during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination of Rihanna Bongolan. 676 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 3: She also got her to say that after a week 677 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 3: after the alleged balcony incident, Rihanna was going to private 678 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 3: parties with Sean Colmes and she was actually texting back 679 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 3: and forth with Passy a few days later about having 680 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 3: a sleepover. So Wes Morland said to her, you know, 681 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 3: this horrible thing happened to you, and a week later 682 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 3: you're willing. 683 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 4: To go back and have a sleepover. 684 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 3: And Bongolan just said, I guess so, And there was 685 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 3: some tense moments. 686 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 4: Going back and forth. 687 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 3: Because of her original civil suit, she did fire her attorney, 688 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 3: Tyrone Blackburn. 689 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 4: He came up a number of times. 690 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 3: Today because she said that he kind of misinterpreted what 691 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 3: she said and alleged some kind of sexual assault happened 692 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 3: or did he grope her when lifting her up as 693 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 3: he allegedly dangled her. 694 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 4: And Wes Moreland said. 695 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 3: Well, you know you fired Blackburn, but you still perpetuated 696 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 3: this lie. So to speak with your other attorneys in 697 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 3: that lawsuit and your new updated lawsuit as well, did 698 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 3: you not, And you know, she kind of said, well, 699 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 3: I didn't write all of that in the new lawsuit. 700 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 4: My attorneys did. 701 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 3: So it was just a lot of back and forth 702 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 3: about that and very tense. I'm not going to say 703 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 3: it was hostile, but it was uncomfortable and it was aggressive. 704 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: And now, wait, remember an American hero, officer Helen Smith, 705 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: North Carolina Department Public Safety, passed away in the line 706 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: of duty, survived by grieving husband Tony and children Andrew 707 00:42:52,880 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: and Samantha sentenced to life without their mother. American here 708 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: correctional Officer Helen Smith. Thank you to our guests for 709 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: being with us, but especially to you from being with 710 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll 711 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night six and nine o'clock sharp Eastern end. 712 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: Until then, good night, ri