1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Gottaway. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: Hey, it's Draftneck. Mark joining us right now, one of 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: the star hosts of the metst Up Show and podcast. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: You can catch it YouTube or wherever you get your pods. 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Also can catch plenty of content from Mark all over 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: YouTube and everywhere else. Mark, Happy birthday week to you 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: and what's your happiness meter? After the past twenty four 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: hours have transpired? 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been a crazy one shout out 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: turn in thirty finally hit that milestone. 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 4: But losing Kyle Tucker. I was like, great, love that 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 4: great way to end the birthday. 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 3: Wake up this morning, getting ready to talk about how 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker hurt, and then Boba, Schet's a met out 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 3: of absolutely nowhere. 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 4: I didn't see that one coming, dude. 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Incredible. 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: So I have been listening to almost every episode all 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: off season long, and I remember, I think it was 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: the previous episode. I know you guys did an emergency 21 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: episode today, but the previous one was talking about the 22 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: Tucker interest for the Mets, and you and James Shana 23 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: were kind of split, right, you were trying to be 24 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: a little more optimistic. James was like, nah, this I 25 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: think he said, like this as Dodgers written all over it, 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: and he nailed it. So take us through psychology there 27 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: of why you guys thought that would go down and 28 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: then how out of left field the Bobashett factor felt. 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, with Kyle Tucker, I mean, I think I definitely 30 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: I'm a METS homer. 31 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 4: I'm a little. 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: Biased, and I just I wanted to believe that Kyle 33 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 3: Tucker was going to be a Met. He's just one 34 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: of the twenty best hitters I think on the planet 35 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: at the absolute worst. And the contract offer was so 36 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: aggressive that I thought, again, similarly, SHOWE Steve Cohen. 37 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: Where there's smoke, there's fire. 38 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: But obviously he ended up picking the Dodgers, and I 39 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: think we all kind of knew it was going to 40 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: be the Dodgers. James just he's got to keep me 41 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: level sometimes, which is why he had to check me 42 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: there and make sure that everybody knows. We still thought 43 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: it was gonna be them, So that one hurt. But 44 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: he would have been a great fit. So the idea 45 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: that like the Blue Jays were coming in, I never 46 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: really fully bought that Tucker was going to be there. 47 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: It did seem like it was for the Dodgers, that 48 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: he kind of was at least pushing that the Mets 49 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: were giving these offers, and then for Bashet this morning, 50 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just it's it's a lot of money. 51 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: We've seen a crazy amount of money the last twelve 52 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: to eighteen hours on the free agent market, between Tucker 53 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: getting nearly sixty million a year, I know, there's Deferman, 54 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: then Bobaschett going forty mili plus a year. I didn't 55 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: expect him to get forty million a year, and I 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: definitely didn't expect it with the Mets. 57 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm happy. 58 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: I'm happy, Like the Mets desperately needed a right handed 59 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: bat in this lineup. They're clearly making a choice that 60 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: they want to get new people in, new players, putting 61 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: them in different positions. A little bit worried about if 62 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: he plays third base, how he looks there, but the 63 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 3: bat's legit and adding that to the Mets lineup, that's 64 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: never a bad thing. 65 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 5: I asked Ken Rosenthal about an hour and a half ago, 66 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 5: the same question. Is the Mets lineup better today than 67 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 5: it was if they brought the exact same guys who 68 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 5: they had last year at the end of the year. 69 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: No, I don't think it is. 70 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: I still think I would have preferred Pete A Lonzo 71 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: over Bobaschett, and I think that's something that Mets fans 72 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: are probably gonna struggle with in how you think about 73 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: this team moving forward. The lineup offensively not better. I 74 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: think defensively this team is better. I think that was 75 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: one of their issues last year. I also think that 76 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna see guys step up this year, like I 77 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: think Francisca Abraz at the end of the year showed 78 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: that that bad is what we thought it could be 79 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: and that will help this line up a lot. But 80 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: I do would have preferred Pete A Lonzo over Bo. 81 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: I think losing Nimo hurt. We still don't have two outfielders, 82 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: like I trust Carson benj whenever he is ready, but 83 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: you don't want to put that kind of pressure on 84 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 3: the kid coming into opening Day. 85 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think. 86 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: They're still crazy enough to say a lot of holes 87 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: in this team. But we're definitely better off now with 88 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: Bobashit than we were without Mark. 89 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 6: What about the other two guys that might be pushed 90 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 6: out of the play in third base? We had twenty 91 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 6: twenty four, it was Van Doo's's job and twenty twenty 92 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 6: five it was Beaty's job. And now we have both 93 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 6: of those guys still probably only can play third base, 94 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 6: and now there's a third base. So what happens with 95 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 6: those two guys do we conceivably see because hitting is 96 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 6: a problem, do you see any world and where one 97 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 6: or both because we know Endos can play first as 98 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 6: well in badh and he's got a pretty good bat. 99 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 6: Like where those guys get moved and maybe there's some 100 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 6: big league ready pitching out there because pitching is a problem. 101 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 6: What do you see happening with those two guys? 102 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think to talk about Batty first. I 103 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: think Ken said in one of his tweets or an 104 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: article recently how Baty they might see playing a little 105 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: bit first as well as his name was very active 106 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: on the trade market. So I think that if Baty 107 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: were to be moved, it's going to be for a 108 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: starting pitcher. I don't know who that would be, but 109 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 3: I think with the control and what he showed in 110 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: the second half of the season, Baty's definitely got some 111 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: value right now. But also that's why I think the 112 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: Mets would want to keep him in the fact that 113 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: he can play third, he can play second, maybe he 114 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: can play a little first. And I know this is 115 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: a pipe dream, but in the past he played even 116 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: left field for a couple innings I think for the Mets, 117 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: and they tried that out a few spring trainings to go. 118 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: Maybe he takes over the Jeff McNeil role where he's 119 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: more of a super utility man. But I do think 120 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: that if the right starting pitcher is available and Brett 121 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: Batty has to be on the trade to get that guy, 122 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: seems like the Mets might be willing to do so. 123 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: Now for Vientos, I'm not one hundred percent sure what 124 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: they do with him. He's kind of just a first 125 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: basement right now, more of a DH And while we 126 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 3: saw the Heights in twenty twenty four, where he really 127 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: was a huge reason why that team got out a run, 128 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five was the complete opposite. He just wasn't 129 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: the same hitter that we saw and expected. I don't 130 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: think that the Mets should lose faith in Viento's but 131 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: with the way that roster crunches work, with the way 132 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: that options work, with the limited positional flexibility that vent has, 133 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: Viento's has. I think it's tough to kind of imagine 134 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: where he fits into this team, especially now with the 135 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 3: addition of Bo. So maybe that's a trade, maybe that's 136 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: trying to win a job out of spring training. But 137 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 3: I think the Mets still have a ton of moves 138 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: to make and those guys will definitely be a part 139 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: of them. 140 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 5: Two words I asked you about the lineup, but two 141 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 5: words we keep hearing from the Mets, whether it's David 142 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 5: Sterns or Nimo as he went out the door, run prevention. 143 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: Are you at the point where you're like, I'm fine 144 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 5: with it, I'm able to sit with my hands just folded, 145 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: Or are you're gonna watch every game thinking about run 146 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 5: prevention like I don't know what's gonna happen. 147 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think it would be crazy for any 148 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: Mets fans to think that, like Bobachhet's gonna come in 149 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: and be a goal glove third basement. So then it 150 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: comes to the conversation of how bad was Pete a 151 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: Lonzo's defense firsut, what will Bobaschett's defense look like at third? 152 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: And then how different will their bat be. That's gonna 153 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 3: be the big thing that I think every met fan 154 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: goes back and forth with this year. I think they 155 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: did improve defensively, like Simon in that second base is 156 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: a huge, huge boost, and I think they still are 157 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: going to address the outfield defense at some point. But yeah, 158 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: hearing run prevention being as prominent of like talking point 159 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: for David Setns this offseason, and then seeing some of 160 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: the moves like Horey Polanco probably can play first base, 161 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: but he's never really done it, so defense is still 162 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: a question mark there. Bobachett's never played a professional inning, 163 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: I think at third base, not even in the minor leagues. 164 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: That's still a question marked there. That's that's one of 165 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 3: those where Krats, I think you're right. I might be 166 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: crossing my fingers a little bit more this year of like, 167 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: I hope these guys work out these positions the bats, though, 168 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: I trust it's the gloves now. 169 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 5: One of the things that Scott said was Stevie Cohen 170 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 5: woke up this morning and was like, crap, I didn't 171 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 5: get Tucker. I'm going after Bo. My argument was, I 172 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 5: don't think he slept last night. Do you think Stevie 173 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 5: Cohen the way that he came into New York and 174 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 5: is like, this is gonna be a winning team. I 175 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 5: want to become the team of New York City. I 176 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,559 Speaker 5: want to be this like all the things that he said, 177 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 5: do you think he is enjoying the way it is going? 178 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 5: Based on the splash he made last year with Juan 179 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 5: Soto and the fact that he trusted David Stearns' is 180 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 5: pitching up until May sixteenth ish his pitching plan, do 181 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: you think he enjoys the way it's going or do 182 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: you think this move solidifies the fact that he's like, David, 183 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 5: great job, get out of my way. We're getting bo 184 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 5: because I cannot lose out on another guy. 185 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I hope Steve Cohen's not happy with 186 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: how it's going. That's still haven't done anything, So it 187 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: would be be honestly awful if he was like, hey, 188 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: this is going pretty well. I mean, I think we 189 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: know he's pretty excited about the project that's gonna be 190 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: going on Citney Field in the next coming years. That's 191 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: probably a big thing that's helping him out. But for 192 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: this Mets team, like I do think this was a 193 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: bit of a move that was a. 194 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: Little on tilt. 195 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: Like I think he got a little frustrated with what 196 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: happened with Tucker. The Mets seemingly gave a pretty good 197 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: offer to him, maybe something that Steve Cohen thought nobody 198 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: could beat. So it does feel a little bit like 199 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: he kind of pushed the chips all in here and said, 200 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: we have to go get this next guy. 201 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: This is the guy I want. 202 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: I know that it's been reported that the Mets had 203 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: been talking about that this was the plan all along, 204 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: that if they didn't get Tucker, they'd moved to Bischet, 205 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: but we hadn't heard anything about it. So for me, 206 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: from an outside perspective, I think that Cohen definitely got 207 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: a little frustrated with what happened last night and they 208 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: decided to put all their money and put their chips 209 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: into Bobachett and hopefully more moves coming coming forward because 210 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: this team still got again a lot of holes. 211 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 6: I want to talk about pitching one more time. You know, 212 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: we have six starting pitchers out here for in the 213 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 6: depth chart, including you know, three of the real young 214 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 6: guys and Jonah Toong Sprote and Noel MacLean, who file 215 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 6: accounts should probably be the opening day starter, but the 216 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 6: other two Jonah and Sprote two questions two parter. First, 217 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 6: outside of those guys waiting in the wings, who's the 218 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 6: next young guy prospect guy to come up and in 219 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 6: the starting pitching category, And if it comes down to 220 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 6: these six guys in spring we're competing for the fifth spot, 221 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 6: do you think it's conceivable? Is this something that you 222 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 6: see Stearn's doing or maybe getting some value out of 223 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 6: say Jonah Tom's the sixth guy outside looking in, do 224 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 6: we make a decision on maybe getting a long getting 225 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 6: some long innings out of them, some more big league time, 226 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 6: or possibly turning them into a back end guy because 227 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 6: there's a lot of swing to miss here or is 228 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 6: this going to be a wait and see because of 229 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 6: the because of the wealth of the of the pitching, 230 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 6: do you think anyone could be moving to the bullpen? 231 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 7: Is what I'm trying to ask. 232 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: Definitely, I think I think Sproton Tom could definitely be 233 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: guys early on the season in the bullpen, especially because 234 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: with Tong, we know that the fastball is great, the 235 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: change up's awesome. We need to develop that third pitch. 236 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: So until he gets a third pitch that's more consistent 237 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: between the curveball and slider. I think bullpen long relief 238 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: role is kind of what makes the most sense going 239 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: into opening day this season. We're spread I think, like 240 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: similar to what Stearns has done Milwaukee with guys like 241 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: Burns and Peralta and Woodruff. They kind of all started 242 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: in the bullpen until they got to a point where 243 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: Sterns and the Brewers felt comfortable enough to put them 244 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: into that rotation, and then they fill in pretty seamlessly. 245 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, those guys will be good back 246 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: in arms that can give us some length in the bullpen, 247 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 3: and that's never a bad thing to have too, especially 248 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: with how often the best starting pitching couldn't go deep 249 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: last year. 250 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: You don't want to necessarily. 251 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be hard to expect Sean and 252 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: I necessarily right out of spring training to be able 253 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: to go six seven innings. 254 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: Code I saying to those kind of guys. 255 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: So to be able to have tongue and sprot in 256 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: the bullpen to piggyback off of them if they do 257 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: go shorter in and outing. I do love that flexibility, 258 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: and I am still very excited to see what strides 259 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: forward these guys make during in spring training because the 260 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: last time we saw them was at the end of 261 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: the season. So maybe Jonah Tong has developed that curve ball, 262 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: that slider to become a third or even a fourth 263 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: pitch now that he can use to help get out 264 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: left hand batters and right handed batters, But. 265 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: That will still be be determined. 266 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: A guy that you mentioned, though, that's maybe a little 267 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: bit slept down, a little under the radar in the system. 268 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: We obviously have Christian Scott coming back from injury that 269 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: I think is gonna be a big part of this 270 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: team too down the stretch. But Jack Wendinger, he absolutely 271 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 3: dominated the miners last year, had one of the highest 272 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: ka walk ratios in all of Minor league baseball. I 273 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: think because of all the big name young pitchers that 274 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: the Mets had, he's been slept on a little bit. 275 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: But you're starting to see him kind of float around 276 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: that top one hundred prospect list, and twenty twenty six 277 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 3: could be a big, big year for him if he 278 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 3: keeps striking out batters like he has and limiting the walks. 279 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: It's just it's hard not to get excited about a 280 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: picture like that. 281 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 5: Next move you see and next move that you want 282 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 5: to make this. Yeah, that smile back on your birthday train, 283 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 5: because old birthday cake is totally fine unless you left 284 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 5: it out and it got stale. So we can't let 285 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 5: the Mets get stale here. So the next move you 286 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: see happening, and the next move you want to happen. 287 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: Okay, so I mean move I see happening. I think 288 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: that it's gonna be Franbervaldez. I just it feels like 289 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: Framber's been kind of on the Mets radar all off season, 290 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: especially with they're gonna go that aggressive with the Bobashett contract. 291 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: I would assume that they're gonna go that aggressive with 292 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: Franbravaldez too, especially for the qualifying off for stuff. Now, 293 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: I think that the Mets will definitely push in some 294 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: of the chips on Frambur, and I think you'd be 295 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: a great fit in this rotation. I would love to 296 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: see them go out and trade for a Freddy Peralta 297 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: or again, if you're asking my birthday dream, if Terrek 298 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 3: Scoopble is ever available again, I would love to go 299 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: after him. But I think that's I think that's an 300 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: insane one to ask for. Freddy Peralta seems more realistic. 301 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: That's someone who I'd love to see the Mets go after. 302 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be focused on pitching and then 303 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: maybe they address the outfield again. 304 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 4: And the Cody Bellinger rumors have been so hot and cold. 305 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: I can't I can't get a rid as a Met 306 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: fan on anything going on this offseason, let alone what's 307 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: going on with Cody Bellinger in the Mets interest. So 308 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: maybe it's him, maybe it's on the trade market, maybe 309 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: they really just believe in Carson Bench. But truthfully, for 310 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: me to feel better and what I expect the Mets 311 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: to do next, I do think it's gonna be on 312 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: the starting pitching market. 313 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 4: I think it's Framber. 314 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 7: Valdez pecking order, and we need a pecking order. 315 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 5: Okay, National League East pecking order today, January sixteenth, Lock 316 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 5: it in, Mark. 317 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Phillies one. 318 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 3: Still, I think until the Mets win that division, the 319 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: Phillies are still the best team, and you look at 320 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: them top to bottom, they're good. 321 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: I think the Mets are two. 322 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: They were pretty close last year and it really took 323 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: a spectacular, spectacular collapse at the end of the season 324 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: to not make it into the playoffs. 325 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: I think Braves are three. 326 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: That team just had a weird season, and I would 327 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: like to see them be healthy before I can feel 328 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: confident about what's going on in Atlanta. Four Marlins, five Nationals. 329 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: I think the Nationals are a clear tier even below 330 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: the Marlins. 331 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 5: Can you definitively say, because I got roasted by this 332 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 5: secret like Twitter channel chat that doesn't allow outside met 333 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 5: fans in last year, can you definitively say, like I 334 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 5: tried to respond to them and they didn't let me respond. 335 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 7: I was like, we're visual, They weren't vicious. It was fine. 336 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: They just said stuff like your ball and you're fat, 337 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 5: you had a brutal career, all things that are very 338 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 5: very true and not that hurtful. But can you definitively 339 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 5: say the Mets today today without your franber Valdez and 340 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 5: Tarrek Scuble trade, are they better than the Braves? 341 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: I think so. 342 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: Something happened last year with the Braves where I like 343 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: a lot of the moves that they made. I don't 344 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: think the Braves are a bad team, but I also 345 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: was weirdly one of the guys last year very early 346 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: to it, where I was like, I don't think the 347 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: Braves are going to be necessarily. 348 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: As good as we expect them. 349 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: I had them missing the playoffs, I had them finishing 350 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: in third place last year. My predictions one of the 351 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: few things I did get right. But at the same time, 352 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: like that team's getting older. We saw some of the 353 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: Bats not be as strong as they were in previous years. 354 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: I think while there's definitely supposed to be some regression 355 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: backs to the mean positively for them, I also think 356 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: at times like this might just be the version of 357 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: the Braves. It is tough with that rotation. Spencer Schrider 358 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: was horrible. I don't think he's go to be that bad, 359 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: but you kind of have to see it till you 360 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: believe it. Chris Sale is getting a year older. There's 361 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: a lot of question marks there. I think them and 362 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: the Mets are very close. I think they're in terms 363 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: of talent and what their kind of goals are this year. 364 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: I think those teams can be interchangeable in that two 365 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: to three spot. But I do think that there is 366 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: a clear difference between the Mets, Braves and then the 367 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: Phillies at the top. 368 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: Mark completely off topic, happy birthday, but I have to 369 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 5: ask I haven't watched all the Mets up episodes, but 370 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: maybe you explained it is that a Jabbari Blash jersey 371 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 5: hanging up? How on earth do you have a Jabbari 372 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 5: Blash jersey? And how have I never seen it? And 373 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: is it only because of the number that's on there 374 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 5: that you have in hanging out? 375 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: I think that adds to it. 376 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: Jabari, I think knew what he was doing when he 377 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: was picking that number out in Japan. But to make 378 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: a long story short, Jabari Blash. When I first started 379 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: my YouTube journey, I was making MLB the Show videos 380 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: and one of the best videos that I made at 381 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: the time was using a lineup of common players, which 382 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: are the lowest rated guys in the game. I saw 383 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: Jabbar's name threw him into the lineup because it's an 384 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: awesome name, Jabari Blash, and in that video he performed 385 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: incredibly well. So from that moment, on any chance I 386 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: got on my channel, I used Jabari in a video 387 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: fast forward he gets moved from the A from the 388 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: Padres to the Yankees. 389 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: I'm a Yankee hater. 390 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: That was like one of the worst days for me, 391 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: like ever on YouTube where my favorite random player ever 392 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: gets traded to the team that I hate. I make 393 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: a video reacting to it gets way more views than 394 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 3: it ever should have for a Jabari Blash reaction. Jabari 395 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: sees it, reaches out to me, We become friends, and 396 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: then we meet each other. He's one of the nicest 397 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: guys ever. Truly, like one of the reasons why I'm 398 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: still doing what I am today because a major league 399 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: baseball player reaching out and like, just show me love 400 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: and respect was really cool. And then when he moved 401 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: to Japan, he was like, Hey, I want to send 402 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: you a jersey, like I appreciate you, know what you've 403 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: done for me and making my life positive and all 404 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. So, uh yeah, Jabari my favorite 405 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: player ever, nicest guy I've ever met. Got to hang 406 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: up the jersey he sent me there without a doubt. 407 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: Wow, that's some duo. Yeah that's cool right, yeah, crazy, 408 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: But that's. 409 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 7: As and as he's a monster too. 410 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 5: If you've ever seen Jabari Blash in pursuit, I was 411 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 5: in camp with him one year and I was. 412 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 7: Like, Oh my gosh, how are you. 413 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 5: That's like that large of a person. He waffles baseballs. 414 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 5: But I'll say this for Scott, Yes, giggity. 415 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you stole my line. I'm not even kidding. 416 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: I was waiting for it on the outro. Now I 417 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: don't even know what to say. I need my teleg 418 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: to change. 419 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: Uh gigh Mark, thanks man, you're the man. Happy birthday 420 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: and everyone check out messed up, which we're about to 421 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: show more about in a second. 422 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: But appreciate you. 423 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. It's go mets. 424 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 7: Hey. 425 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: Mike Wilner is back on the show and I'm sure 426 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: you'll get plenty from his pod. Uh, this will be 427 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: too deep left field with Mike Wilner. Mike, it is 428 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: great to have you back on the show, although maybe 429 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: not the greatest time. 430 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Right now for Blue Jays. 431 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: They should mostly be happy given results from last year 432 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: offseason in general. But have we reached the greedy point 433 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: with the fan base that expected Kyle Tucker to also 434 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: land in their lap? 435 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: What's the reaction up in Canada today. 436 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 8: I don't think it's it's greedy. 437 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 9: I think you know the way the Blue Jays were 438 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 9: throwing their weight around in this offseason and snapping up 439 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 9: Dylan Cease right away. 440 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 8: And throwing almost forty million. 441 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 9: Dollars at a reliever they kind of expected one of 442 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 9: Tucker or Bishitt to wind up here in Toronto, and 443 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 9: I did too. 444 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 8: I thought the Blue Jays were absolutely. 445 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 9: Going to sign either one or the other, and to 446 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 9: not get both or to not get either, is pretty disappointing. 447 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 9: But I don't think from a greedy sense. I think 448 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 9: from a team building sense, it feels like they're still 449 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 9: maybe a bat short of where you'd like them to 450 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 9: be right now. I mean, this is a team that 451 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 9: did lead the major leagues batting average and on base 452 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 9: percentage last year, but was middle of the pack in 453 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 9: Homer's and it feels like they're really counting on if 454 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 9: this is it, like, if they don't make the move 455 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 9: on Bellinger or make a trade and get somebody else, 456 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 9: you're really counting on George Springer to repeat what he 457 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 9: did last year, and now he's thirty six, and you're 458 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 9: counting on a big bounce back from Anthony santan Dare 459 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 9: that may or may not happen after he lost an 460 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 9: entire year. So I would say less greedy and more 461 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 9: it sort of felt like this was almost inevitable and 462 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 9: now it hasn't happened. 463 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 5: Before we pivot to Bellinger, and talk about the possibilities 464 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 5: of that. Which one do you think hurts more? The 465 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 5: fact that they didn't bring Bo back or the fact 466 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 5: that they didn't sign Tucker when it was like, okay, 467 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 5: like which one because you talked about power, because the 468 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 5: power with Tucker, But then you talked about the lineup 469 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 5: and what they did last year. Bo was part of that. 470 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 5: So which one hurts more? 471 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 9: I mean both to twenty five homers too, So there's 472 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 9: power there. I was gonna say thirty, but I'm not 473 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 9: sure he's gotten a thirty. But there's power there. And 474 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 9: obviously that home run he hit in Game seven of 475 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 9: the World Series was beyond ridiculous. When you say hurts 476 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 9: Bo hurts more. I've said it a few times over 477 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 9: the course of this winter. It just it's not gonna 478 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 9: feel right for the Blue Jays to open camp, to 479 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 9: take the field, whatever, without Bob Bashett. Now, he's been 480 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 9: part of this organization for a decade. He's been part 481 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 9: of the team since he got called up in August 482 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 9: of twenty nineteen in Kansas City. Got a hit in 483 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 9: his first big league at bad and something like twelve 484 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 9: doubles in his first ten games or something as set 485 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 9: a major league record. He's been an integral part of 486 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 9: this thing and a running mate of Vladimir Guerrero Juniors. 487 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 9: And it's just gonna be so weird. This will be 488 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 9: the first time that Vladdie has played on a team 489 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 9: without Bo since twenty sixteen, I believe, which is wild. 490 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 9: You know, for a full season. He was up a 491 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 9: few months earlier in twenty nineteen than Bishet. 492 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 8: But and you know, Bo is. 493 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 9: Maybe, outside of Luisa Raise, the best pure hitter in 494 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 9: the game. And he's got way more pop than her 495 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 9: eyes too. 496 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 8: He will grind in. 497 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 9: At bat, he'll foul off a million pitches and then 498 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 9: he'll just smack a double the other way. He's just 499 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 9: such a so hard on pitchers and so much fun 500 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 9: to watch. But then you know, Kyle Tucker is left handed, 501 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 9: he doesn't strike out, takes his walks, has the power. 502 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 9: Seemed like the perfect fit behind vlad in the lineup, 503 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 9: and so that hurts too. And I think that's what 504 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 9: the Jay's front office saw a little bit more, and 505 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 9: they were more intent on Tucker than they were on Bo. 506 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 9: But Bo should have been done months ago here in Toronto. 507 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 9: He wanted to stay, but I guess either he wanted 508 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 9: to shop his offers or the front office just didn't 509 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 9: want to meet his price. But it should be said 510 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 9: they didn't want to meet Vlad's price last year either 511 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 9: and had to be forced into it by ownership. That 512 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 9: took until April, and they didn't have that luxury this 513 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 9: time because Vlad wasn't a free agent and Bo was. 514 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 5: Was there some feelings hurt by Bo? You talked about 515 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 5: the connection between him and Vlad. They've been together the 516 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 5: whole time. Vlad was hearing extension talks Bo. From all 517 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: that we've heard, he was not hearing extension talks. Vlad 518 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 5: got his extension after BO had a down year. I mean, 519 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 5: I think BO would even say that. So do you 520 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: think this relationship was a little severed maybe two three 521 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 5: years ago, when in my opinion, you said they should 522 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 5: have been locked up months ago? I think BO should 523 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: have been locked up up years ago. 524 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, like put me in back in twenty nineteen. 525 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 9: And I'm signing Bo and Vlad to you know, Ronald 526 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 9: Acunya and Ozzy Albi's contracts for sure, but also you know, 527 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 9: if I'm doing that, I'm also signing Jordan Romano and 528 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 9: Danny Jansen and Cavin Biggio and Alec Manoa to contracts 529 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 9: like that, and some work and some don't. But yeah, 530 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 9: they they could have saved themselves hundreds of millions of 531 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 9: dollars by being more proactive and by having more faith 532 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 9: in their players. 533 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 8: For sure. 534 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 9: As far as the more recent extension talks, I don't think. 535 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 8: I mean, if it rubbed Bo the wrong way, then. 536 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 9: You know, he's got to look at himself, and I 537 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 9: don't think it did. But coming off a year like 538 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 9: Bo had in twenty twenty four, after he missed half 539 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 9: the season, hurt and hit two twenty five and had 540 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 9: the worst year of his career, there was no way 541 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 9: to sign him for an extension. I mean, if the 542 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 9: Blue Jays had made an offer there, it would have 543 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 9: been way short of what Bow wanted, and rightfully so. 544 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 9: And if Bo had come in with his number it 545 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 9: would have been crazy high coming off of the injuries 546 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 9: in the year. So it really was not a good 547 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 9: fit for an extension, which doesn't mean they couldn't have 548 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 9: revisited it at the All Star break this year when 549 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 9: we saw Bow was back to being Bo, and we 550 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 9: kind of understand that that's his level of performance when 551 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 9: he's healthy. But as far as an extension last winter, 552 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 9: there was just no number that would have been remotely 553 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 9: close for both sides. 554 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 6: I love the optimism that it would have been an 555 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 6: option to sign to an acunya an Ozzie Albi's deal. 556 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 6: I'm assuming Azzie in this situation as Bashet, but he's 557 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 6: got an ex MLB player for a dad. I don't 558 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 6: think seven to thirty five. Maybe it would have been 559 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 6: on the table, but maybe something close. I do like 560 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 6: that a lot, though, So now we know that bo 561 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 6: is not on the table anymore, and as well as 562 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 6: Kyle Tucker. Of the free agents that are left, who 563 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 6: do you think could be the best maybe top two 564 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 6: fits to help the blue Jays in twenty twenty six. 565 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I agree with you on the 566 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 8: Albu's thing. 567 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 9: I was just talking strategy and as opposed to Tigers but. 568 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 8: Lots for seven or eight years. 569 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 9: But yeah, that would have been swell, but too many 570 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 9: major league dads in that they didn't need the money 571 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 9: for sure. Cody Bellinger obviously stands out as the next 572 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 9: best fit, especially when the Blue Jays seem to have 573 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 9: been so focused on Kyle Tucker, and Bellinger has shown 574 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 9: he can play in the Al East. He is a 575 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 9: very good defensive outfielder as opposed to Tucker, and defense 576 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 9: is something that the Blue Jays seem to really want. 577 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 9: It's a weird fit, but Tucker would have been a 578 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 9: weird fit, and they were willing to make it happen 579 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 9: because you've got Addison Barger, You've got Anthony Santanderra and 580 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 9: George Springer. And while Barger played a lot of third 581 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 9: last year, Cosmo Komoto was here to do that this year, 582 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 9: and you would assume that they didn't give him sixty 583 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 9: million bucks to be a part time player. So you 584 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 9: wonder quite how the dominoes are going to roll that way. 585 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 9: But I would imagine that Cody Bellinger is the next target. 586 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 9: And if not, look you've got Nathan Lucas. And Nathan Lucas, 587 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 9: while he's been an average major league hitter, was a 588 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 9: leadoff good enough to be a leadoff man in a 589 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 9: World Series game and score the winning run in that game. 590 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 9: You've got Joey Loperfido who came up last July and 591 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 9: was ridiculous for six weeks, who might get a chance 592 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 9: as well. 593 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 8: But it does feel like, you know, if. 594 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 9: You're if you're acting like a bully in free agency 595 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 9: and you're taking aim at the Kyle Tuckers of the world, 596 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 9: then a pivot to Cody Bellinger should not be out 597 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 9: of your reach at all. 598 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 5: I think there's probably some more versatility there because you're 599 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 5: gonna lose Dalton varshow soon. You don't want Anthony Santan 600 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 5: dere laying and is into his last years of his 601 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: contract in the outfield. So yeah, I think I think Kyle, 602 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 5: I mean, I think Cody has more versatility. Are the 603 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 5: Blue Jays the number one team in the American League 604 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 5: East as we sit here. 605 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 9: Today, Yeah, I think so. Boston's improved their pitching. But 606 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 9: just to catch up to the Blue Jays, right, You've 607 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 9: got a top four in your rotation of Gosman, Cse 608 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 9: Bieber and Yes Savage and Jose Barrios is your fifth 609 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 9: or Cody Ponce, who just had the best year anyone's 610 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 9: ever had in Korea. That's that's pretty good. And as 611 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 9: much as Jeff Hoffman gave up that home run in 612 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 9: Game seven of the World Series, Jeff Hoffman was a 613 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 9: solid closer. Jimmy Garcia is terrific. Taylor Rodgers Tyler. I 614 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 9: can't tell the twins apart. Whichever Rogers the Blue Jays 615 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 9: wound up getting. 616 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 8: Is Tyler ridiculous? Tyler, He's I mean stupid. 617 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 9: A six twenty ops against both sides for a knuckle Draggers, 618 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 9: that's amazing. 619 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 8: The bullpen is solid. 620 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 9: Could use a capital C closer to push everybody down, 621 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 9: but doesn't need it. And again it's it's a tremendous 622 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 9: defense and a very good offense. So yeah, the Yankees 623 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 9: haven't done anything. The Orioles haven't done enough. I do 624 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 9: think the Blue Jays right now are still the best 625 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 9: team in the Alias. 626 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 7: Is there a. 627 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 5: Scenario that we look at and we say the Blue 628 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 5: Jays are a sleeper team for a trade because everything 629 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 5: has been free agent? Yea, everything has been in that 630 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 5: free agency. But when you have a season where you're 631 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 5: coming off a World Series and you have the Nathan Lucas, 632 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 5: you have the Ernie Clement, you have the Addison Bargers, 633 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 5: which the casual fans had no idea about. Are the 634 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 5: Blue Jays in a position do you feel like they've 635 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 5: built up so much cachet that they'd be fine getting 636 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 5: rid of some of their big league talent to land 637 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 5: that one last piece in a trade, because all that 638 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 5: we've heard about the Blue Jays mostly has been money, money, money, money, money, money, 639 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 5: and then bring this trade in to give them that 640 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 5: final piece. 641 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 8: Yeah. 642 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 9: Absolutely, you know all those extra pieces, right, Lucas and 643 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 9: low Berfido, David Schneider, even Jose Barrios, though that's a 644 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 9: tough contract to move. Lucas is tough to move also 645 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 9: because he's thirty one and he's only had one full 646 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 9: season in the majors. But you know, there, you could 647 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 9: dangle Addison Barger to get that one final piece. There 648 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 9: are pieces that this team can trade. They have a 649 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 9: surplus of players, and they have some solid prospects in 650 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 9: the lower miners. So absolutely, I'm not putting it past 651 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 9: them to make a deal. We're still a month away 652 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 9: from a full squad at spring training. There's lots of 653 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 9: time to do things. 654 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 8: And it's true we have absolutely been concentrating on the 655 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 8: free agent market so much. 656 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 9: Probably because of Cease and because of all the Tucker 657 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 9: talk from the beginning of the off season. But they 658 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 9: are well positioned to make a trade if there's a fit. 659 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: Hey, last one for you, Mike. 660 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: We'll do it quick and you got to jump and 661 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: I want to promote your pod one more time. Blue 662 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: Jays fans perception of the Dodgers. They fall just short 663 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: in the World Series, and the Dodgers have beat them 664 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: in some signings lately. Hey, I think this is a 665 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: golden era right now for the Jays. And in summary, 666 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: we've capitalized for sure, right or they've capitalized on all 667 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: of the money they made, all the attention they're grabbing. 668 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: But got imagine they just despise the Dodgers at the 669 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 2: moment and how they've grabbed Show and some others or 670 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: is it more like us against the not the world? 671 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: But what was it during the World Series? We don't 672 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: need you something along those lines to show, hey, right. 673 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 9: And the same thing will happen, Well, the same thing 674 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 9: would happen to Tucker. I guess the Dodgers are here 675 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 9: this year, so yeah, the same thing will probably happen 676 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 9: to Tucker that we don't need you chant. It was 677 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 9: amazing with showhy there in Game one of the World Series, 678 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 9: and I think you know, the Dodgers are now what 679 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 9: the Yankees and Red Sox used to be here living 680 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 9: in the Al. 681 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 8: East for the last forever. 682 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 9: The Blue Jays had a ton of very good teams 683 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 9: between nineteen ninety eight and twenty and fourteen and couldn't 684 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 9: get a sniff because the Yankees and the Red Sox 685 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 9: were the big bullies. 686 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 8: On the block. 687 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 9: And now the Dodgers are that, And I think it's great. 688 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 9: I mean, I'd much rather the sixty million dollars go 689 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 9: to Kyle Tucker every year than go into the pockets 690 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 9: of the Dodgers' owners and Rogers, who owns the Blue Jays. 691 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 9: The Jays, honestly are like their entire payroll is a 692 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 9: rounding error on the Rogers balance sheet because so much 693 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 9: of their money comes from cable and wireless, so you 694 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 9: can afford it, go spend it. Better to spend it 695 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 9: on the players than to keep it for yourselves. But yeah, 696 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 9: Jays fans are not happy with the Dodgers for sure. 697 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 9: Otani Sasaki. Now Tucker feels like the Mets finished second 698 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 9: to Tucker as opposed to the Blue Jays there because 699 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 9: he was looking for I guess, the short term, high 700 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 9: value deal. But it's great to have a villain and 701 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 9: for a while they're the Blue Jays where the villains 702 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 9: in the American League this offseason, And they may still be, 703 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 9: and they haven't been for a very, very, very long time. 704 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 9: But yeah, everybody hates the Dodgers. I don't think they're 705 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 9: ruining baseball. I think it's great. I think more teams 706 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 9: should behave like they do, and I'm glad that the 707 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 9: Blue Jays are starting to. But there is zero love loss. 708 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 9: I've had a couple of people already in the last 709 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 9: day tell me that the only that they want the 710 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 9: Blue Jays to win the World Series in twenty twenty six, 711 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 9: but it will only taste really good if they do 712 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 9: it against the Dodgers. 713 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: Wow. 714 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: Wow, see that Trevor is greedy. We don't want just 715 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: the title. We want a title over the Dodgers. 716 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: But I love it. Hey, I love it. 717 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: You have to be unreasonable, yes, as a fan in 718 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: this sport. Mike, thank you so much for the time. 719 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: Appreciate you. We could show the board here for Mike 720 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: to call it out on his own Mike, just where 721 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: everyone can catch your show. 722 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's deep left field. The new episode came out 723 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 9: yesterday before Tucker and Bow signed, but we're going to 724 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 9: get a bonus episode up tomorrow to talk about the 725 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 9: two signings. But in this one I talked to Ernie 726 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 9: Clement and he talks about Game seven and the aftermath, 727 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 9: and he said at the time he made a pitch 728 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 9: to bo At Bischett's wedding last weekend or two weekends 729 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 9: ago to come back to the JAS, and that he 730 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 9: was kind of hoping they would sign both. 731 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 8: Tucker and Bushett. 732 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 9: Now that's greedy, but that's what you would expect from 733 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 9: a player. 734 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: We love it. Oh, I want to hear all about that. 735 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: Ernie Clement's an awesome personality too, so looking forward to 736 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: catching that. 737 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 8: Mike. 738 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: Thanks again, great to catch up with. 739 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 9: You anytime, guys. Thanks for having me a word for video. 740 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 8: Good. 741 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: Leo is just basking in cash right now. Your bet 742 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 2: MGM futures and changes in line movement for the Dodgers 743 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 2: after they signed Kyle Tucker. So you have the open price, 744 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: the before KT and the after KT. So they were 745 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: at plus three hundred Kyle Tucker signs. That line now 746 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: moves to plus two twenty five. It's almost two to 747 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: one odds for the Dodgers to win the World Series. 748 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if we've ever seen that National League 749 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: they're at plus one p thirty one point three to 750 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: one odds and then to win the NL West. 751 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: That's the real crazy one too. 752 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 2: Minus three seventy five has now jumped to minus six 753 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: fifty six fifty to win a hondo for the Dodgers 754 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: to win the National League West. 755 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 8: Damn? 756 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: Who thoughts on this movement here? And how? 757 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you can touch it, but it's 758 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 2: just really tough to get any value out of this. 759 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 6: Trevor don't I'm I'm sure someone's doing it, but yeah, 760 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 6: I even without Tucker, I mean, like, you're not going 761 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 6: to make a ton of money. I mean, anyone out 762 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 6: there who's like, I'll do three to fifty for one 763 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 6: hundred for them to win the West, Yeah, it might 764 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 6: be out of the window now or sorry, three seventy 765 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 6: five for for one guy to move it that way, 766 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 6: especially with a guy with a bunch of team, with 767 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 6: a bunch of MVPs on already probably a gut punch 768 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 6: for the people who who are preparing to make that 769 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 6: just to have some little bit of security because they've won. 770 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 6: I don't know what is the one what like sixty 771 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 6: of the last sixty one or something visions. So I mean, 772 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 6: good luck, guys. If you there is no sure bets, 773 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 6: as they say, but as it goes, that might be 774 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 6: your best. 775 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: This might be the. 776 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 6: Best direction you've ever been able to go in order 777 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 6: to feel confident at all. 778 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 7: About anything going your way. 779 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 5: So I mean to move the lines like this. People 780 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 5: don't know lines or anything like that. The NL West 781 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 5: one is it's wild. I know it's not a dollar 782 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 5: for dollar compared to the World Series, but for the 783 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 5: World Series odds to move almost an entire point is crazy. 784 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 5: And the fact that they're almost a two to one 785 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 5: favorite to win the World Series, not against another team. 786 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 5: When they were down in the series last year, I 787 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 5: bought them at two hundred plus two hundred, and they 788 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 5: were just playing the Dodgers like there was just another team. 789 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 5: You have twenty nine other teams. That's where everybody feel 790 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 5: the Dodgers are to win the World Series. But the 791 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 5: fact that the NL West shifted almost double, you almost 792 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 5: have to put down twice the amount that you had 793 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 5: to just to win one hundred is a crazy number. 794 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 5: But it's also a number that says, dang his team 795 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 5: is good. 796 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 797 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: So it's just crazy to see one signing make an 798 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 2: impact like that too. The Dodgers were already heavily favored, 799 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 2: and when you add Tucker and a win projection that 800 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: goes into models like this. That's what's crazy, Trevor. Now, 801 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if the the win added here total 802 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: for Kyle Tucker will actually impact. Like I'm curious to 803 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: see the win loss number, right, the win total number 804 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 2: for the Dodgers. So do you think some of that 805 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: has to do with the way that they manage their 806 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: pitching staff throughout a season and they really pump the 807 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: brakes on guys to make sure that they're going to 808 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 2: be ready for October. I bet the jump there is 809 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: not as significant as the odds moving towards them just doing. 810 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: What they need to do. 811 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 7: Right. 812 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 2: It's crazy to think this way, but Trevor, I actually 813 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: think the Dodgers are able to look at the landscape 814 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: of where they're at division wise and be like, Okay, 815 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 2: we can take it easy on these pitchers at this 816 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: time period, since we're up eight games at the moment 817 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 2: on the division. I know that sounds kind of crazy, 818 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 2: but they are making sure, of course they're in a 819 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: comfy spot. They take the division down and that their 820 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 2: pitching is going to be ready for the postseason. I 821 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: don't know if that made any sense, but the impact 822 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 2: of that contractor makes of course going to okay, what 823 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 2: do you got for us? 824 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 5: So just the other day we locked in the Dodgers 825 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 5: under at ninety nine wins, today one hundred and three 826 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 5: and a half. 827 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: These Oh see, that's awesome. See that's what happened last year. 828 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 2: And then if you smashed the under, you were you 829 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 2: crushed it right, Dodgers finished with what last year? 830 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: Ninety five wins? I want to say, I'll look it up. 831 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 7: Three wins? 832 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: Was it ninety three? 833 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 7: Yeah? 834 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 5: I thought I thought they were closer than ninety three, 835 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 5: But I have it right here. 836 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:09,959 Speaker 1: Ninety three. 837 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 2: So they were in the hundreds last year heading into 838 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: the season, right, it might have been like one oh 839 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 2: one point five whatever it was, and that was an 840 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,479 Speaker 2: easy hit. I think that's going to be the same 841 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 2: case again here. I don't think this team's winning one 842 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 2: hundred four games. I think they're gonna go through all 843 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: kinds of pitching, injuries and fun and they're just gonna 844 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: be like, cool, we don't care. 845 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna win enough games. 846 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 2: We'll win ninety seven games, but one oh three point 847 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 2: five that's the number. 848 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 7: Them three point yeah, and I don't see win that many. 849 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: They get lucky. 850 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, if everyone's healthy, they could, but then it's not 851 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 6: their goal. It's not their goal. The one oh seven 852 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 6: was because no one got hurt a few years ago. 853 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 6: That's why they won one hundred and seven games. 854 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, but they have. 855 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: I was gonna say guys that went deep in October 856 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 2: and then a lot of dudes that'll be involved in 857 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 2: the WBC too, But anyway, krats. 858 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's necessarily injuries. Like the Braves 859 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 5: had injuries. They had dudes that could not come back. 860 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 5: The Dodgers have guys that were hurting. Can we call 861 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 5: it the mitigation? Like they were just mitigating through the season, 862 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 5: Like it's okay, Like I get it, Blake Snell, you're 863 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 5: barking a little bit. You know, we want you to 864 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 5: be full strength. We're gonna let you build up as 865 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 5: much as we can. Then we're gonna throw you on 866 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 5: a larger, a longer rehab assignment. We know we have 867 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 5: show Hey, we know we have Yamamoto six day guys. 868 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 5: Is Roki gonna come back to the rotation at some 869 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 5: point doubtful, But is another six day guy? Like they're 870 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 5: spreading these guys out, and that's where I see it 871 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 5: being really tough, and I'm locking in. 872 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 7: I'm doubled. 873 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 5: I guess I'm essentially doubling it down because I bought 874 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 5: it at ninety nine and I loved it. I can't 875 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 5: not love it at one hundred and maybe less than 876 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 5: one hundred and four. Theyn one hundred and three wins 877 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 5: or less, and I'm taking it. Sorry, the game is, 878 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 5: it's too tough, The NST is too good, and I 879 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 5: don't think the Dodgers want to put everything that it 880 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 5: takes to win one hundred and four games into it. 881 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 7: I could be wrong. 882 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 5: They're much better team than one hundred and three wins, 883 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 5: but I don't think they care. 884 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, older position players too, right, amazing team. No one 885 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: thinks they're not going to win the division. All that, 886 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 2: but just a different situation. Hey, we're showing you the 887 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 2: bet MGM Poker Spade Online Championship. 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