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DC's curfew extended to eleven 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: pm Eastern. The latest on all of the protests from 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: around the country. UH and here inside of the nation's capital, 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: we're going to check in with Congressman Denver Riggleman, Republican 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: of Virginia, as well. Lots to get through. Maryland Governor 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: Hogan is announcing that he's going to lift the coronavirus 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: restrictions for non essential businesses as the state is entering 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: phase two of the recovery plan. The Mayor's office here 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: in DC sets to announce some guidelines by the end 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: of the week and the Democratic Baltimore mayoral race still 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: too close to call. We've got a lot to get through. 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: All of that, plus Defense Secretary Asper, did you see that? 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: Secretary Asper? And Donald Trump lots to get there. We're 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna check in with the Bloomberg White House team. Mac 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Gorman gives us a state of the play on how 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: Republicans are are playing this, uh, and David Tafiori, a 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: good friend of the program, former Obama campaign foreign policy advisor. 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: All right, let's get right to it this moment in America, 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: to this this evening, we are awaiting some new developments 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: that were going to bring you them as it happens. 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: First and foremost prosecutors have charged three more officers and 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: George Floyd's death. Okay, so you'll remember there were three 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: officers who were uh standing uh nearby Derek Chauvin, who's 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: was the officer who was now charged with killing uh, 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: George Floyd. So they have expanded the case against George 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: Floyd and three more of the officers. They've been charged 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: with aiding and abetting a murder. And they've also upgraded 37 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: the charges against the officer who pressed the Neon Floyd's 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: neck to second degree murder. Uh. This according to the 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: charges that were filed in Minneapolis earlier today. And I've 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: been reviewing just now the Associated Press report. So you've 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: got the three other officers charged and the charges of 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: the the officer upgraded to second degree. Meanwhile, this hour, 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: we are expecting remarks from former President Barack Obama. Uh. 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: And there are developments between Defense Secretary Esper, who met 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: with President Trump at the White House today, and Secretary 46 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Aspert came out this afternoon and said that he disagreed 47 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: with the President on a host of different issues. That's 48 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: where we stand now as we await at eleven o'clock 49 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: PM Eastern curfew in the nation's capital and other curfews 50 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: of across the country based upon which city folks are in. 51 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Fabians on the line, he has a Bloomberg News 52 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: White House reporter, what is the expectation now that three 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: additional officers have been charged? Is the expectation now that 54 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: the conversation will move forward or is there still going 55 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: to be unrest tonight in America? Well, Kevin, I think 56 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the big question for a lot of these demonstrators is 57 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: what is the government going to do to address the 58 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: underlying systemic issues and law enforcement that led through the 59 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: killing of George Floyd. And so far, you know, this 60 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: administration really hasn't done a lot to address them. So 61 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I until that happens, I do think you're going to 62 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: see demonstrators out of the streets. Um, you're already seeing 63 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of people gather outside President Trump's hotel here in 64 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: Washington on Pennsylvania having you just steps in the White House. Uh. 65 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: They cordoned off the area around the White House, so 66 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: that that demonstration has now moved to the President's hotel 67 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: and it doesn't show any signs here letting up, all right, 68 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: So that's what's happening on that front. There are these 69 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: other major developments between Secretary Esper and President Trump. For now, 70 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Secretary Esper has a job, right, That's what the White 71 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: House Press Secretary Kaylee mcinatie said, that are briefing this 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: afternoon not quite the ringing endorsement of the Defense secretary, 73 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: and we're hearing Kevin that, Uh, staffers in the White 74 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: House and the President himself were very upset about what 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: he said earlier today, which was that he did not 76 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: favor using the Insurrection Act to call up the active 77 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: duty troops to help qualities protests, and that he tried 78 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: to distance himself too from that photo of the President 79 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: staged on Monday at the historic St. John's Churt's across 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: the street from the White House. So do we know 81 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: what happened when Secretary Aspert? I mean the drama of this, folks, 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I know everyone's got so much on their plate, 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: but and I'm wanting to stay out of the drama 84 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: in the theater, But the drama of this moment, these 85 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: two hours in America are I was talking with one 86 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: source as it was happening in the intelligence world, and 87 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: even this source was it was hard pressed to find 88 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the words. The Defense Secretary gets out in front of 89 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: a podium and gives public remarks saying that he disagrees 90 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: with what happened, uh in regards to the president's walk 91 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: to St. John's. And then the Secretary Asper goes to 92 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: the White House. This is like mid morning, and they 93 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: have this this private meeting, and then the White House 94 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: Press Secretary, Kaylee mckinnny, she says that he still has 95 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: a job. Do we know what was discussed in that meeting? 96 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Jordan Fabian White Bloomberg White House Reporter. You were told 97 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Kevin that that meeting was actually called to discuss the 98 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: situation with some other US troops, the ones that are 99 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: stationed still in Afghanistan. But it seems evident that this 100 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: situation regarding the military and the protests did come up. 101 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: There's now reporting from our colleagues of the Associated Press 102 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: that there's been a revers all of the decision to 103 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: send active duty troops away from the nation's capital. They're 104 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: going to stay for now. That was different from what 105 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: was reported earlier today. So the matter seems to have 106 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: come up, and uh, you know, the President and and 107 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: the Secretary Defense clearly having to iron out some issues 108 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: here in their relationships. What's in the mood from the 109 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: sources that you talked to on inside of the President's 110 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: center circle for how he's doing well? I think Kevin, 111 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: the uh, you know, we're gonna start off with the St. 112 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: John's move, you know, I think the sources that I've 113 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: I've spoken to thought that was the success and they 114 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: thought that it projected an image of strength for the president, uh, 115 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: showing that he's trying to take control of the streets 116 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: of the nation. But the problem is that it caused 117 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: this huge backlash not only among his typical Democratic critics, 118 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: but also some Republicans who have supported him religious leaders. 119 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: These are people he really needs in his camp to 120 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: win re election in the fall. And so, you know, 121 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: there is still that trepidation out there. There's still worry 122 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: among people in the president circles that all of this 123 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: is just becoming an anchor on his on his re 124 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: election chances. And we're seeing some polls out this week 125 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: Kevin showing the president in poor shape, trailing Joe Biden 126 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: by double digits. So there certainly is some concern. It 127 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: is remarkable, and I would just note, I mean, the 128 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: reality outside of our windows and the reality of what's 129 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: on the streets in the protests is very different from 130 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: the reality of what's going on in rural America who 131 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: are watching what's happening in the city's play out, Uh, 132 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: most likely on cable news. Uh. And so you know, 133 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a predictor. Jordan's not a predictor. But it's 134 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: important to note that these are incredibly polarizing times and uh, 135 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, people are having different interpretations of everything. If 136 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you hear that buzz. That's the alert going out for 137 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: tonight's curfew. Curfew at eleven pm Eastern in Washington, d C. 138 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: Jordan's great to have you on. Hey, keep up the 139 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: great work with the reporting. I appreciate it all right, 140 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: thank you too. Coming up on the program, we check 141 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: in with Congressman Denver Riggleman. 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My name is Kevin Cereley. 150 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm the chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and from 151 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Hold, I'm not surely trying to tell me 152 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: something in the video chat? Are our our lead booker? Now? 153 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: He's saying, no, okay, um, all right, well let me 154 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: know listen working from home. It really is, uh, you know, 155 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: lots going on, lots going on. Joining us on the 156 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: line is someone who I'm very excited to welcome back 157 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: because I want to know. There's all these polls right 158 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: and everyone's trying to make do of what this means, 159 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: this moment of unrest means for down ballot races, for 160 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: congressional races, for the presidential race. And someone who has 161 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: his finger on the pulse of all of this is 162 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: the former n RCC communications director and the vice president 163 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: at Targeted Victory, Matt Gorman. Matt, how are you, Kevin? 164 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: What's going on? I'm doing well, you know for these times. 165 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's good to hear those words. Matt. Okay, 166 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: so uh but seriously, you know, how has your Republican strategist, 167 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: You've got your pulse on the on the finger of 168 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: all this. You're talking to all of the posters, the fundraisers, fundraisers, 169 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: How are the people responding in your orbit to how 170 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: the president the prow the president has conducted himself in 171 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: the past couple of days over what's been going on. 172 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's fluid and it's hard to 173 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: tell because I think, you know, the president in a 174 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: lot of ways, wants to make this very much like nineteen. 175 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: He tweeted out the silent majority. He wants. He was 176 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: talking even in his acceptance speech in twenty six in 177 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: Cleveland about being the law or president. But Nixon and 178 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: sixty eight was not the incumbent. His party was not 179 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: the incumbent party in the White House. And so I 180 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: think it's very different if you are in the White House, Um, 181 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, in controlling is I think that's why he's 182 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: been trying to be proactive. And he really didn't like 183 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: those round of stories from early in the weekend about 184 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: him hiding the bunker. And I think that's probably why 185 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: we saw what we did over at the Think John's 186 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: Church on the other day. Matter you based in d C? 187 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: Are you? I mean, are you coming to this from DC? So, 188 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: I mean just for me and and I say this 189 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: because you're someone whose job has taken you all over 190 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: the country. Um, I've had the privilege to travel as 191 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: a reporter. And what I keep thinking about when I 192 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: saw the helicopters last night or not last two nights ago, 193 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: and and just you know, walking around the city and 194 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: observing what's been going on, is our reality and what 195 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: we are seeing is so incredibly different than what the 196 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: folks who are watching this through the lens of cable news, 197 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: no matter which channel are outside of cities, are experiencing. 198 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: Does you know what I'm trying to get at? Absolutely? 199 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean I heard the helicopters, you know, all night. 200 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: It was at Monday night. But I think, look, I 201 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: think that's a broader issue and it's not just about 202 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: the social and rest look at the pandemic. I mean, 203 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, I I have friends and colleagues in Florida, 204 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: in Arizona and other places, and that opened up, you know, 205 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: fairly quickly or quicker than us, and it is drastly 206 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: different than my you know, you have people in d C. 207 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: But I'm just d C, New York, Boston, Philadelphia. Dramatically 208 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: different about that's That's got that That's that's where I 209 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: want to take the conversation because I think that's the 210 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: it's it's so hard and I was talking about this 211 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: with my colleagues Tom Keene, Jonathan Farrell, and Lisa Brandma 212 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: went on Bloomberg Surveillance earlier today. I excuse me, I 213 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: think that as a reporter is something that we have 214 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: to inject into these conversations is that it's one thing 215 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: to look at it from a political biased perspective in 216 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: terms of the voters, which are incredibly polarized right now. 217 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: But everyone's experience with the pandemic and everyone's experience with 218 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: what's been going on in the past several days, is 219 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: different dependent upon where you live in this country. And so, Matt, 220 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: does that mean that maybe we should catch our breath 221 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: before these polls really start? Meaning something? You know, of course, 222 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, obviously, I think the outcry 223 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: whether it was Twitter or inside the belt Way, take 224 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: the St. John's Church photop for example. You know, I 225 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: think that was obviously, you know, fairly negative in the 226 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: Beltway and on Twitter. That doesn't mean it was that 227 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: same way. And I'm not saying either way, but there 228 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: might be a different opinion outside. And I think you're 229 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: absolutely right. I also think I am these next two weeks, 230 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: I am convinced you're going to tell us a lot 231 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: about where we are in the lockdown of the pandemic, 232 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: with all these protests, with all these mass gatherings. If 233 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: we see a massive spike, you know, do some states 234 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: go back into lockdown? To you know, folks that were 235 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: in the first or close to the second phase reopening, 236 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: bump that down again or if not, do people be like, 237 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: what the heck are we doing for the last three months? 238 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: I am so intrigued to see what happens. Well, a 239 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: lot of people are, and and the jobs numbers that 240 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: are going to come out unemployment claims that are going 241 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: to come out at economic indicators at the second half 242 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: of this week as well. And you know, I just 243 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: think that bears repeating. I mean the economic calamity that 244 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: has been experienced in this country that has touched every 245 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: corner of this country, and and minority groups we know 246 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: from reports like um, from our friends at Mackensey and whatnot, 247 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: are are the most at risk of of of some 248 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: of this. So it's just, um, it's a really an 249 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: incredibly divisive time. You mentioned the divide within the Republican Party. 250 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: Some Republicans have come out and spoken uh and and 251 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: been frustrated at the President's tone. What can you tell 252 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: us about that, mac Warman. Republican strategists look, I think 253 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: into two camps. You have folks like ben Fast, Tim 254 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: Scott and others who you know, don't necessarily need to 255 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: do it. They're in they're in barely safe seats, but 256 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you know that they will be willing to do that. Obviously, 257 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Tim Scott is the only African American Republican senator out there. 258 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: I think he has a very important voice. But also 259 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: folks like Susan Collins, who is in you know, her 260 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: toughest race of her career right now. And look, she 261 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: is in a unique position because you know, um, you know, 262 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: she has always that independent brand up there, and it's 263 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: really important because in states like Colorado and Maine, in Arizona, 264 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: Trump is going to go there whether you like it 265 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,119 Speaker 1: or not, because those will be important presidential states for him. 266 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: So it's always that tough balance for her, um, you know, 267 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: almost any more than any other senor. And I got 268 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: another question for it, is the Senate in play now 269 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: to to flipping because of the last week, you know, 270 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: I always thought it was in play. And I think 271 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: if you talked to Republicans, you know, smart ones, you 272 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: know where in all of these races, they would always 273 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: laugh when earlier, you know, whether it was last year 274 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: or earlier this year, people said, oh, you know, safe, 275 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: it's a safe majority. That's like that that's not the case. 276 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: You know, look, Democrats have been really successful fundraising. I 277 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: mean I know that first team when I was at 278 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: the nrccen fundraising matters. They have you know, they have 279 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: decent candidates and open some of these seats, Mark Kelly, 280 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: John Hick and Looper others. You know. But that being said, 281 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're ours aren't too shabby either, not just Collins, 282 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: but Martin McSally, Corey Gardner and others. But you know, 283 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: the NRSC, which is what the Senate Campaign Committee, is 284 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: already on the air with ads. It's really important to 285 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: break through UM and get your message out there and 286 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: start defining these Democrats. Now it is vital, awesome, good stuff, 287 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: good stuff, Stay safe, my friend, and thanks for coming on. 288 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: And Republican strategist, uh that's targeted victory coming up next 289 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: to check in with Congressman Denver Riggleman. You don't want 290 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: to miss that Republican from Virginia. You're listening to Bloomberg. 291 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg 292 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven fm h D two. 293 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Sirelian, the chief Washington correspondent for 294 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Maryland Governor Hogan to 295 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: lift coronavirus restrictions as the state enters into Phase two. 296 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: Phase two. The Republican governor of Maryland gave an update 297 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: just this afternoon. Uh and it says that you know, 298 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: things are moving along quite nicely in Maryland and they're 299 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: gonna go to phase two. Some more openings, but Baltimore 300 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: mayoral race still too close to call. After the polls closed, 301 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: the city's Board of Election released mail in votes received 302 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: through last week. So based on the roughly seventy six 303 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: thousand votes that were counted as of two am on Wednesday, 304 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: former Mayor Sheila Dixon is leading the race, followed by 305 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: City Council President Brandon Scott and former U. S. Treasury 306 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: Department Under Secretary for Domestic Finance Mary Miller. Lots lots 307 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: going on in Maryland politics. Let's take it back down 308 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: to Virginia with a good friend of the program, Congressman 309 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: Denver Riggelman, Republican from Virginia. Congressman, how are you, how's 310 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: the family? How are you holding up? I'm holding up, Kevin. 311 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: I hope you're holding up. Okay, family is good and uh, 312 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: just trying to get through all right. So let me 313 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: get your take. How how would you size up the 314 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: way the president has been doing in the past the 315 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: three to five days. I don't think that badly based 316 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: on what we saw, and I want to break it 317 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: down this way, and so I want to give you 318 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: a military perspective, Kevin. I think we've got three different 319 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: types of protesters out there. And I think we have 320 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: the protesters who are legitimately approaching the heinous act that 321 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: happened to George Floyd. I think we have those that 322 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: are weaponizing politics, like Antifa writing using this right as 323 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: almost in a domestic terrorism stance or definition. And the 324 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: group we have out there just simple criminals and looters. 325 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: And I think it makes it very difficult to separate 326 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: all aspects of this. So in order to have some 327 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: kind of law in order and to stop individuals, you know, 328 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: from destroying um, other people's businesses, innocence or you can 329 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: even call noncombatants, I think we have to take a 330 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: pretty strong stance. And if the mayors aren't going to 331 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: do what the governors need to do it, if the 332 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: governors aren't going to do it, and the president needs 333 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: to do it, and somebody from the military, and look 334 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: at what's happened to innocence or the eight police officers 335 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: that were shot the night before last. I think something 336 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: has to be done. But you have seen a bit 337 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: of a peaceful transition, Kevin over the last twenty four hours. Okay, 338 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: Denver Rigelman's on the line. He's a Republican from Virginia. 339 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: He also has served in the military before, so he 340 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about. In his perspective, is is 341 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: based upon that that service to our country. So it's 342 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: Secretary aspert though today gave comments publicly before meeting with 343 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: the president privately and distance himself from the use of 344 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: military in the UH in the in the nation's capital. 345 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Who do you agree with the secretary, Defense Secretary or 346 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: the president? And I know the Defense Secretary a good man, 347 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: and I think what he ye I do, And uh, 348 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: you know when he said that, it really didn't surprise me. 349 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: I think sometimes things come out a little bit sideways. 350 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: I think I'm sorry about the sirens in the background. 351 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: I'll learned us about that, um, But I think sometimes 352 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: they got nothing we haven't in Washington. No, it's it's 353 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: it's the last thing we want to do is to 354 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: send any type of federalized troop action, right, I mean, 355 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: nobody wants that to happen, including the President. I think 356 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: there was frustration because it seemed to me that people 357 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: are allowed to do illegal things. And I think when 358 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: you get the briefings and you see what's happening to innocence, 359 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of frustration. And Secretary Asper was saying 360 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: was like, listen, we we shouldn't do this right now, 361 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: but if there comes a time that we continue to escalate, 362 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I think he might change his mind. I think it's 363 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: always based on where we had at that moment. And 364 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: again it goes back to analysis. Right, do we do 365 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: we go out front and have a very aggressive stance 366 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: so that people stop writing and say we're going to 367 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: do this, or do we go and say, hey, we 368 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: would never do this thing, so go ahead and do 369 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: what you need to do and let's let the mayors 370 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: and governors um actually settle it. So I think it 371 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: comes down to how you're looking at the situation at 372 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: that moment. So, yes, I like both individuals. I'm not 373 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: trying to play both sides here. What I'm trying to 374 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: say is that at the time, but the President was 375 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: saying might have had an effect because you do see 376 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: that a law of that violence is starting to quell 377 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: right now. And what Esper was saying was we're not 378 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: going to use it right now. I don't think it's 379 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. But again, people are going 380 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: to politicize it. But I do understand resturers coming from 381 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: but I think the president coming out aggressive did have 382 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: something to do with stopping the violence. Congressman Denver rig 383 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: almans on the line. He's a Republican from Virginia. You know, 384 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about this at the start of the show, 385 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: but I want to get your your thoughts on this. 386 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: As an elected member of the House of Representatives. The 387 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: district in which you represent, as you know, was the 388 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: last district I believe in the country to end segregation. 389 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: Do I have that right? I want to get that 390 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: distinction very clear. Definitely where a lot of that, yes, 391 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: And it's also where the nine one Barbara John has 392 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: led to walk out right and uh in Prince Edward County. 393 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of history here. So there's a 394 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: there's a there's a ton of history there and the 395 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is because your district is 396 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: also incredibly rural and the reality of the way in 397 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: which you are well, I maybe I haven't put words 398 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: how are your constituents viewing what's going on in the 399 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: cities right now and interpreting the President when he invokes 400 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: comments such as increasing law and order, Because I would 401 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: guess as I've been reporting in conversations with members of 402 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: Congress like yourself as well as other members who represent 403 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: as city districts, is that it's night and day and 404 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: how terms of and how people are are viewing this, Kevin, 405 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: your spot on it is night and day. Um, I'm 406 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: in Nelson County right now talking to you on fifty acre, right, 407 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: so it's completely night and day like what's going on 408 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: there now? There's there's some horrified reactions to what happened 409 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: to George Floyd, So I'm gonna there's horrified reactions. And 410 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: we still have areas here in the Sith district that 411 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: we need to work on, right There's there's still some 412 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: attitudes here that we have to work on. But when 413 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: it comes to exactly what's going on in the cities, 414 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of this is business as usual and it's 415 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: hard to separate. There's a lot of peopleho haven't seen 416 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: the news right where I call them on delicate calls 417 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: and like, hey, we see what's going on there. I'm 418 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: glad it's not here. So there's not this sort of 419 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: visceral reaction you see out here in the fifth district 420 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: of ten thousand square miles with only seven thou people 421 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: dispersed over those ten square miles. And I have Charlottesville 422 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: to the Northern Virginia suburbs in falk your county, but 423 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: even Falk here in Charlottesville peaceful protests, and again those 424 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: are great. You know, you've got to protest these heinous actions. 425 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: I support you. That's when it goes to violence. But 426 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: most of the people out here, it's business as usual. Uh, 427 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: They're going about their daily lives, trying to pick up 428 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: the pieces after the pandemic. I think that is so 429 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: incredibly important to political observers in this moment, because you 430 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: know the way that people are are processing this in 431 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: their own way and through their own UM media ecosystems 432 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: is is very important for the long term heading into November. 433 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: UM let me ask you another question. Is there any 434 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: appetite amongst your Republican colleagues to include any type of 435 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: reform language to address some of the structural changes. UH 436 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: regarding the killing of George Floyd in legislation, talking about 437 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: the law enforce reform, Kevin, things of that nature. Yeah, again, 438 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: you can't watch this as a freedom loving American and 439 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: look at what happened to George Floyd. And I think 440 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: that there's issues, and we know that racism exists, but 441 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: when you see something that braw and awful, it almost 442 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: takes me back to when I was in the military 443 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: to see awful things because I had a true reaction 444 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: to it. And I think what you're gonna see is 445 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna see people pushing for say we need something 446 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: in law enforcement and listen, an nine send a law 447 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: enforcement of great individuals. I love them, but there has 448 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: to be something to identify individuals. If somebody has eighteen, 449 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: you know, complaints against them and they're still out on 450 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: the street, there has to be some type of funnel 451 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: runt of fundamental reform on those that we identify those 452 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: that are a danger to the community, and especially those 453 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: that might have a propensity for racial activity. We have 454 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: to identify them. We have to improve our education and 455 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: we have to be tougher on these individuals to see 456 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: an appetite for that. So yes, So the answer is yes, 457 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: there is. I don't want to put virgin roun so 458 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: yes or I mean yes or no, Yeah, there is. 459 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Okay, could that? Could that happen in 460 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: the next six weeks? I mean, could that happen in 461 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: the next round? But seriously, I mean, yeah, I do, 462 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: I I I really do. I'd like to go back 463 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: in session and deal with this right we have. Nancy 464 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: is not allowing us back there until June. I think 465 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: it's time for us to go to work. And I 466 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: would love to address this. And I think there's a 467 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: lot of Republicans and say enough of this behavior. This 468 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: isn't a Republican or Democratic issue, man, this is a 469 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: human issue and it's time for us to address it. 470 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: So it's a solid yes for me, Kevin. So you know, 471 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: I hear that, and I you know I hear that. 472 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: Congressman Denver Rigaman, a Republican from Virginia. And just a 473 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: minute or so we have left just a final question 474 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: for you, Um, there's still a pandemic going on economic stimulus. 475 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: Are you hearing that might happen by the end of 476 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: the month or or what where do we go on that? 477 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: Like thirty seconds, I think you're gonna you're talking about 478 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: another plan. I think you gotta look at it in July. Kevin, Yeah, 479 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna look at that in July. I think you're 480 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: gonna see some more legislation that comes in July. So 481 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: pay attention to that. Um. We hope we can get 482 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: it through, and we hope it's more by partisan the 483 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: last legislation. Let's get the adults in the room and 484 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: do something where both parties can come together. All right, 485 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: Donver Riggleman, Congressman denveral Rigaman. I appreciate your time, sir, 486 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: uh and uh, thanks very much. Appreciate your insights tonight. 487 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: He represents a district in uh Virginia. He's a Republican. 488 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Coming up more politics, Policy and Analysis Geopolitics with David Tiffury, 489 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: former foreign policy adviser to former President Obama. I'm Kevin 490 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: sur Really you're listening to Bloomberg. M This is Bloomberg's 491 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh 492 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: five point seven F M H D two, Tom Kevin 493 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: s Really, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and from 494 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. There's just been so much news, so much 495 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: news over the UH last couple of days, and again 496 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: former President Obama joining in and condemning UH the killing 497 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: of George Floyd. He's giving an address this our former 498 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: President Bush also calling on there to be some structural changes. 499 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: We've also seen various companies come forth and pledge donations 500 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: to social justice groups as well. All of this comes 501 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: at it's in which the geopolitics from around the world 502 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: are quickly continuing to evolve. And I want to welcome 503 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: back to the program a good friend of the program, 504 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: David to Fury, who of course is a former Obama 505 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: campaign foreign policy advisor, and first I want to get 506 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: your take on Obama speaking today. David, Uh, it will 507 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: be or what will you be listening for? As someone 508 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: who worked intricately with his his his campaigns, well, I 509 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: think that President Obama is used to making addresses like this. 510 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: He was quite good at it when he was president. 511 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: In terms of expressing sympathy for the family of the 512 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: person killed, expressing sympathy for the protesters who are protesting 513 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: peacefully but urging calm across the country. That's what I 514 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: expect he'll do now. It's what's interesting is that, of 515 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: course he waited till now to do it. And it's 516 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: in contrast to President Trump, who hasn't given a speech 517 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: that has effectively done any of those things that President 518 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Trump did when he was president. So you almost feel 519 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: like President Obama is finally weighing in because he feels 520 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: like nobody else is doing it. But I'm eager to 521 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: see what he says. So meanwhile, around the world, there's 522 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: been some reaction, uh from from US allies. There's been 523 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: in many ways protests and solidarity. Uh. But what have 524 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: you observed for the different reactions from around the world, 525 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: So what's been going on in America? Well, I think 526 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: that the protests and solidarity in other places around the 527 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: world is really interesting. I can't remember that ever happening 528 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: in a police police brutality incident like this that happened 529 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: in the US. But I'm also very interested in the 530 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: headlines around the world. I've been perusing some of the 531 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: headlines from newspapers around the world, and the main theme 532 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: is that they're very critical of the US for standing 533 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: for human rights when it comes to other countries, but 534 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: not addressing the human rights problem here in the US. 535 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: Are very critical for the approach to some of the protesters, 536 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: especially the approach to the protesters in Lafayette Park that 537 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: we're cleared in order for the President to do with 538 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: photo op in front of the church, And of course 539 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: it hurts our ability to criticize other countries for their 540 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: response to protests. The administration has been very strong and 541 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: criticizing China on its response to protests in Hong Kong. 542 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: But now this makes us look a little bit hypocritical 543 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: that we haven't handled it better. So, I mean, it's 544 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable conversation. David's a fury former Obama campaign foreign 545 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: policy advisor. So how does the US have that conversation 546 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: and how does the US continue to stand with the 547 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: people of the protesters of Hong Kong, which has always 548 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: been a nonpartisan issue in the United States, has always 549 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: drawn the support of the Europeans UM and also reconciled 550 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: that with as you mentioned Lafayette Squares. One of the 551 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: things that President Obama said is that we need to 552 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: lead by example. So I think we need to quickly 553 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: fix the way we're addressing the protests here. In order 554 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: to show that we're leading by example, we need to 555 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: make sure it's clear around the world that peaceful protests 556 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: are okay, that we support peaceful protests, and that they're 557 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: allowed to go forward in cities all over America for 558 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: as long as the protesters want. And I think we're 559 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: getting better at that now. The protests last night, for instance, 560 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: we're much more peaceful than the nights previous. At the 561 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: same time, we of course have to be able to 562 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: prevent protesters who are engaging and looting, engaging in crimes 563 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: from doing that, but in a way where we were 564 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: able to delineate between those protesters were peaceful, who were 565 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: engaging in peaceful demonstrations, and those who are engaging in crimes. 566 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: And we haven't done that well yet, but we're getting better, 567 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: and that's how we lead by example. All Right. Meanwhile, 568 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: all this is going on, there's been some new developments 569 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: on the US China front, especially as tensions continue to escalate. Uh, 570 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: and uh, there's they've been they've been, you know, jabbing 571 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: with rhetoric about the last couple of days. But what 572 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: other things should people notice that have nothing to do 573 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: with what's been going on in domestic affairs, nothing to 574 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: do with the remarks coming from China officials. But in 575 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: terms of the actual policies between the U S and China, 576 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: what has been on your radar that is escalated in 577 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: recent days. Well, you know, one of the things that 578 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is the fact that we're due to 579 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: have a G seven summit. Uh you know, the G 580 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: seventh summit is supposed to be hosted by the US 581 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: this time, it's been postponed a few times. That would 582 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: gather the leaders of the Western world to talk about 583 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: things like and approach to China and address the China's 584 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: failed reaction to COVID nineteen and failure to inform the 585 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: world about COVID nineteen. I'm interested in when that's going 586 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: to happen. It looks like right now President Trump is 587 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: talking about trying to host it in September, maybe around 588 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: the time of the UN General Assembly. But it's a 589 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: big question as to whether it can really be hosted 590 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: in person or it will be done remotely. Also, what's 591 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: very interesting is President Trump has talked about wanting to 592 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: invite Russia to come to the G seven. Remember Russia 593 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: was banned for the from the G seven by President 594 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: Obama in two thousand fourteen after they invaded Crimea. Of 595 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: course Russia would like to be there, but why are 596 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: we thinking about inviting them? And doesn't that make it 597 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: harder for us to have a conversation with our clothes 598 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: allies about how to deal with China? And do we 599 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: know the timetable on when that summit would be? I 600 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: think it's gonna the latest news suggest that might happen 601 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: in September, but it's not been set yet, so remember that. 602 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean, so, so what we could happen in September 603 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: is Vladimir Putin and President Trump eating together at the 604 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: White House. That could potentially happen. That's not a far 605 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: fetched idea. Yeah, at the White House there maybe mar 606 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: Lago somewhere. We're President Trump too, which we all you 607 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: know that will be two months before the election. Let 608 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: me ask you about this because this popped up on 609 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: my radar today. David S. A. Fury, who's our foreign 610 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: policy go to Guru on Bloomberg Radio sound on the 611 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: Trump Administration reading from the Bloomberg Terminal. The Trump administration 612 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: issued an order suspending passenger flights from China based airlines, 613 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: saying it was retaliation for Beijing barring American carriers from 614 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: re entering that market in a continued escalation of tensions 615 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: between the two nations. It's sets to going to affect 616 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: you in sixteenth, but the President can move that up sooner, 617 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: so you can't fly back. I mean, so what does 618 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: this mean for the airline industries, because that's a pretty 619 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: big deal that the U S and China are are 620 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: barring flights. That is a big deal. If China has 621 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: in fact barred our flight to America and carriers from 622 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: going to China, I think it's appropriate for US to 623 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: respond with a similar ban on flight from you know, 624 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: Chinese airline. It would still, as sensibly, be possible to 625 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: travel to China from the US if you went on 626 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: a European carrier another Asian carrier, for instance. But this 627 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: is just evidence of sort of a ratcheting up of 628 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: tensions between the US and China. There are many issues 629 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: that remain unresolved. Most particularly, the US and President Trump 630 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: are blaming China for not informing the world about COVID nineteen, 631 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: and I think they want something from China to demonstrate 632 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: that won't happen again, and that China is addressing its 633 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: internal problems that cause that to happen. All right, David, Uh, 634 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 1: always always a pleasure to have you on, my friend. 635 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate your time breaking down all the geopolitical headlines 636 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: for us, because there's been so much happening domestically, but 637 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: we got to remember that there's still a big world 638 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: out there, and we got to stay on top of 639 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: that those developments as well. Stay safe. My friend David 640 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: Fury here, of course, is a former Obama camp Pain 641 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: foreign policy adviser, and coming up later on in the week, 642 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to follow this with fresh reaction 643 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: from Republicans on Capitol Hill or I guess not technically 644 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, but who work on Capitol Hill as 645 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: we continue to have this conversation about what this particular 646 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: moment is going to do and the impacts it's going 647 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: to have not just on the economy, not just on elections, 648 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: but on our communities, um all throughout the country. Uh. 649 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. 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