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Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.

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Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion to talks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a

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Speaker 1: new episode and we talked back and oh god, I

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Speaker 1: went way back when a show dedicated to you niggas

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Speaker 1: and you bitches and holes.

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Speaker 2: And everything in between, we forgot, y'all.

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Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Is your girl a j holiday? What's up? Tamam?

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all is tamvam. I love y'all so so very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy y'all came back.

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Speaker 1: This is my favorite to them, like, I know they

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Speaker 1: heard it. You can't hear me, No, we can hear you.

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Speaker 1: But your titties was ruffling the mic. Girl, No, they

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Speaker 1: did not grow. It was just too close to your anatomy.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I love y'all, and I'm glad y'all came back

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Speaker 2: again this week. How you doing. How it was your weekend?

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Speaker 2: I'm fine, girl?

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Speaker 1: My weekend? You know, I don't be doing much. I

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Speaker 1: might I might be in Charlotte this weekend, possibly for

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Speaker 1: my niece's twenty eighth birthday, but I'd be enjoying my

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Speaker 1: solitude pretty much, can lie Okay, I'd be looking forward

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Speaker 1: to doing fucking nothing. Yeah, it feels good. It feels

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Speaker 1: really good. I'm just doing what I want to do

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Speaker 1: because I got to travel and all that shit. I'd

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Speaker 1: be like, did you have a weekend? Not so much. No,

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Speaker 1: I need a weekend after the weekend, right, would just

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Speaker 1: be wanting to do Costco on TJ Max. That's it

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Speaker 1: for the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Girl, you need a TJ Max. We need a Costco sponsorship.

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Speaker 1: They asked me every time if I want that TJ

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Speaker 1: Max credit card? Like, girl, I'm trying to buy a

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Speaker 1: damn house. No, I don't need that credit card. I

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Speaker 1: do need that credit.

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Speaker 2: Card credit card for your house.

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Speaker 1: Right, need is a booster with an unlimited gift card.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do need.

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Speaker 3: It me and somebody.

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Speaker 2: It was Ben at Dick Ben Dick's homecoming this weekend.

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Speaker 1: BC that I didn't need participating. I didn't either.

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Speaker 3: I was right.

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Speaker 2: I did not go. I did not feel good. I

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Speaker 2: went to Chicago last week and I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: must have came like something about that flight. I was coughing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I still you can hear it A

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Speaker 2: little bitsy.

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Speaker 1: Girl, I was picturing you in the field eating barbecue,

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Speaker 1: like I just knew you was out.

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Speaker 2: There, and that was the plan. That was the plan.

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Speaker 2: But I felt so bad. I stayed here. I slept

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Speaker 2: till three o'clock on Saturday. I took the day off

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Speaker 2: to go to the game, and then slept till three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I didn't make it. I just felt damn. I just

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Speaker 2: felt bad, and I was so sad. I was looking

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Speaker 2: at all the pictures of everybody at homecoming. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't need to go, but you know, your body

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Speaker 2: will sit you down.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so I didn't pull a trigger on a costume.

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Speaker 1: That's really why I didn't go either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I have nothing to wear for Halloween, and I know

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Speaker 1: they was having like the good little, good old Halloween.

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Speaker 2: You could have just bought some and put it on

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Speaker 2: your head. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I wanted to dress up you know who. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to dress up as Alvira from Scarface. Remember she

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Speaker 1: came down and elevating that green dress with the with

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Speaker 1: the blonde bob, Like, that's what I wanted to dress

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Speaker 1: up as. Alf It's Alvera in it. Alfita, it's Elvera.

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Speaker 2: Another kl you love me in the morning her right, Yeah, scarface,

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Speaker 2: just gonna put some cocoa your nose, yeh.

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Speaker 1: Think about that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, yes, I missed that. I just kind of rested.

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 1: Man, When your body tell you to lay down, lay

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Speaker 1: the fuck down, like you know I am. I don't

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Speaker 1: be pushing myself to do ship. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do no more. I just don't. You know, if a

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Speaker 1: little bit of me say do it, I'm gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: But if everything in me say bitch nor, I'm not

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Speaker 2: And I didn't do my hair because I felt bad.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just don't have the energy. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I ain't going out there with the same old quick week,

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Speaker 2: so I ain't go and you just still look better

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Speaker 2: than boom.

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Speaker 1: A large percentage, A large percentage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get this in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going on? Okay, So, y'all, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: y'all saw this story on social media, which is just

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Speaker 1: a black woman who has a Golds gym membership's she's

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Speaker 1: in the gym and in walks a grown ass man. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and it's supposedly allegedly a trans woman. Okay, but this

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Speaker 1: man just has on earrings. And the thing is, most

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Speaker 1: of the trans people don't even be like actual trans

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Speaker 1: they haven't actually transitioned, you know, they still have their

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Speaker 1: male parts and they're showing up in female spaces. And

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Speaker 1: one thing this woman did say, she said, if you

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Speaker 1: respect actual women's minds at all, you know, because if you,

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Speaker 1: if you were a woman, you would respect women's minds.

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Speaker 1: And they just don't. Like That's why it's still a man.

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Speaker 1: It's very manly. What's that doing.

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Speaker 2: So this person walked into the female locker room and

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Speaker 2: the black lady went crazy.

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Speaker 1: She was butt naked in there, and a grown man

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Speaker 1: walks in and she said it in the middle of

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Speaker 1: GOLs gym. And she's a lesbian to add that to

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Speaker 1: the to the pod, right, she's a lesbian herself. And

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Speaker 1: she says, you know a lot of y'all trans men

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Speaker 1: like y'all, y'all were never little girls like y'all never

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Speaker 1: been touched before. Like she was like that shit, like

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Speaker 1: does something to me? Right, And a lot of women

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Speaker 1: I think are have had things happen to them, you

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Speaker 1: know why they don't fuck with men, right and then

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Speaker 1: now here it is you have this, this, you can't

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Speaker 1: do anything about it. And she's the one who was

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Speaker 1: put out, which.

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Speaker 2: I thought was weird. But maybe I think they put

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Speaker 2: her out because she was raising hell that the woman.

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Speaker 1: Was allegedly kicked out and terminated from Goals gym all

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Speaker 1: because she doesn't want to see penises unsolicited in a

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Speaker 1: woman's locker room. There's some bullshit. Yeah, so this is

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Speaker 1: in LA. Also, the post says, so remember this when

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom decides to run for president, this is what

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Speaker 1: you got to look forward to. Like, we got a

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Speaker 1: little break from this ship right now. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, y'all. Y'all don't feel like this shit died

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Speaker 1: down just a little tidy bit, you know, since the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the year, because I do.

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Speaker 2: I just think we got on other stuff. That's why

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Speaker 2: we haven't been focused on this. Niggas ain't got no

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Speaker 2: food stamps, stay worried about no dicks right now? In

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Speaker 2: that part, Yeah, but I feel her like because I

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Speaker 2: don't like getting unsolicited dick picks, and I like, did

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Speaker 2: you know? So imagine if you don't and you're just

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Speaker 2: trying to exercise and be healthy and you got to

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Speaker 2: see a random dick. Yeah, I feel her.

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Speaker 1: You know, have you have you had ever had any

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Speaker 1: conversations with guys and they tell you their experience in

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Speaker 1: the locker rooms and the gyms and how it be

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Speaker 1: niggas in there with thongs on.

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Speaker 2: No, I've never heard that.

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Speaker 1: You know in Charlotte that my homeboy goes to the

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Speaker 1: club fitness off of university. You know, a pack that

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Speaker 1: should be like a real club. It's real live club

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Speaker 1: fitness in that bitch, right, But he said, niggas be

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Speaker 1: like the punks, Okay, the punks, the girls be in

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Speaker 1: the locker room with the thongs on. Like what is

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Speaker 1: a heterosexual man supposed to do with that?

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Speaker 2: Mind his business?

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Speaker 1: Right like that? But I feel like that's a little

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Speaker 1: that's a little violation as well.

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Speaker 2: No, because as long as he in his right locker room,

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Speaker 2: you can't do nothing about what a nigga got on

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Speaker 2: mine your business.

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Speaker 1: You're like this squad, look at it. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: lie and my exercise folder or Instagram while I put

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Speaker 1: all the shit that I have not done yet in

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Speaker 1: the gym that I'm watching everybody else do on their page.

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Speaker 1: It means some baby booty niggas. I got in my

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Speaker 1: save folder.

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Speaker 2: Workouts and he'd be doing like this little squad workout. Yes,

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Speaker 2: his but look good. I know he got a throng

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Speaker 2: on none of there. I know he's never high or

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Speaker 2: free balling too. So I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 2: saw this, but mother of R and B singer Sammy

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Speaker 2: arrested on charges of second degree murder and shooting into

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Speaker 2: a vehicle, allegedly killing twenty seven and your old wife

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Speaker 2: and mother of two.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if if y'all you might have

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Speaker 1: cut out a little bit, but you did, did say

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Speaker 1: mother of Sammy? Not Sammy?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sammy, the R and B singer His mom.

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Speaker 2: His mom was shooting randomly at cars because she thought

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Speaker 2: someone was following her, and she shot into a car

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Speaker 2: that was carrying a twenty seven year old Nakia bah

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Speaker 2: Collier and she was found shot on enough Powers drive

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Speaker 2: and she died. And so now his mother is facing

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Speaker 2: charges for second degree murder. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: people be suffering from mental illness, and sometimes we're not

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Speaker 2: doing enough, you know, because we be knowing. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: his new I knew his mama was I'm sure he

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Speaker 2: knew his mama wanting right, you know, but.

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Speaker 1: Can you really do right? So there's no cure for

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Speaker 1: mental illness. I think a lot of it might take accountability,

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Speaker 1: you know, the person having to take accountability that they

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Speaker 1: even have a problem, and then they got to want

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Speaker 1: to want the help, right, So people they medicate, these

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Speaker 1: people in abe zombies, and people get tired of not

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Speaker 1: being themselves. You know, this is a plethora of reasons

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Speaker 1: why people don't, you know, stick to the meds and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. But what are you what can you

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Speaker 1: really do? You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, at least try to keep these

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Speaker 2: people up, try to keep getting away from her motherfucking ass.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I mean, but this is a grown woman,

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Speaker 1: this is a grown adult. They probably don't live together.

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Speaker 1: She you know, probably on her own, and maybe she

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Speaker 1: has never done anything. This is extreme extreme, you know,

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Speaker 1: so maybe just recently escalated. And this is this is

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Speaker 1: actually weird and terrible. I'm very said, very much so.

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Speaker 2: And I think he in jail too, ain't it He

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Speaker 2: in jail on some child cruelty shit?

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Speaker 1: Oh sammy, Yeah, I hadn't heard that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just went to jail last week too on

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Speaker 2: some child cruelty shit.

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Speaker 1: You're making that up? No, let me see y'all. Of course, Sammy,

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Speaker 1: I've been hanging out.

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Speaker 2: With ray J, ray J and Brandy hugged it out.

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Speaker 2: Really yep, that's on stage.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I do see. It's as Sammy invested and

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Speaker 1: charged with charged with cruelty to children and battery. This

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Speaker 1: is on October twenty six. Was recently invested in Atlanta, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: following an incident where he was charged with cruelty to

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Rich Dollars tweeted the other day and he said, you

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Speaker 2: I agree? And we can't dance? Why are we here?

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Speaker 2: Because if my song come home, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Like I don't need that, Like can you cover his eyes?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird question, And I wonder what happened?

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that I care. And the older

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that shit, maybe I'm blocking y'all.

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Speaker 1: Blessings who knows right, have at it. You won't switch

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Speaker 1: He is the CEO of the Boys and Girls Clubs

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Speaker 1: in Dane County, Minnesota. Okay, the illis Nigga from Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and he's talking leadership. He recently had a book released

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Speaker 2: Before we get into today's guest, I just need to

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Speaker 2: I mean, if y'all can sacrifice something, I would greatly

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Speaker 2: And it's so many people that need help. But if

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So today we have a very sexual

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Speaker 1: guest on we talk back. We have mister Michael Johnson. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he is the CEO of the Boys and Girls Club.

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Speaker 3: What's the city, Dane County.

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Speaker 1: Dean County, Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's good. I said the same thing

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Speaker 2: Dan, Are you the only black person in Wisconsin?

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of it's a lot of black people here,

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Speaker 2: Are you from Wisconsin?

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm from the West side of Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, Chicago.

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Speaker 3: So y'all, y'all need to come. We throw some dope

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Speaker 4: I do an all white party, and it's not just

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Speaker 4: we bring him out and we have a good time.

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Speaker 4: We raised money for kids, and I hope y'all are

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Speaker 4: coming hang out with us.

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Speaker 1: One summer we come in Winlaren's state coming back though I.

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Speaker 3: Was every year.

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Speaker 4: I was on his family Foundation board for a couple

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Speaker 4: of years. So he's been here probably four or five

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Speaker 4: times in the last two years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the weather like right now?

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Speaker 3: It's cold.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not like South Carolina, so he gets cold

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Speaker 4: up here. But it's about thirty five degrees right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's pretty I mean South Carolina gets cold. Don't

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Speaker 2: get it twisted. We get cold weather, but it's probably

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Speaker 2: not Wisconsin cold.

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Speaker 4: And life is about, you know, exploring. I've lived all

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Speaker 4: over the country. I lived in Chicago, I lived in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: I lived in Saint Louis, I've lived in Indianapolis, I

451
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Speaker 4: lived in Cincinnati. You know, life is about experiences, so

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Speaker 4: I think you'll come up here to Madison and probably

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Speaker 4: never want to go back home.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, like Saint Louis because I live I lived

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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis for like four or five years, and man,

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Speaker 1: every morning I would wake up like what am I

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Speaker 1: store here? A prison? You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: Like, like, I stayed in Saint Louis for I think

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Speaker 4: I was there three years.

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Speaker 3: And it's just about who you connected to, right, Like

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Speaker 3: you can get to a city.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of socialism, right, it.

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Speaker 4: Is, it is it is. But I would say that's

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Speaker 4: almost everywhere.

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Speaker 1: When I say that, I mean like it's not like,

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Speaker 1: you know, some cities, like we're from South Carolina, so

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Speaker 1: we can say, like maybe it might be a little racist,

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Speaker 1: but really like Saint Louis is about who has money

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Speaker 1: and who doesn't. It's not really about skin color race.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, I don't know. I've seen it

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Speaker 4: at different levels in different cities. And and again it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like how you allow people to divin defind

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Speaker 4: you what circles you know that you're And people told

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Speaker 4: me not to come to Madison, Wisconsin because of X

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Speaker 4: y Z. And I'm the type of person sometimes you

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Speaker 4: just got to follow your dreams and go where the

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Speaker 4: calling is right. And so and that's kind of like

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Speaker 4: how I've just lived my life. But I wouldn't say

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Speaker 4: you're wrong, but I would say what you're saying. I've

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Speaker 4: seen segments of it in other cities as well.

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Speaker 2: So was it the Boys and Girls Club that brought

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Speaker 2: you to Madison? Like how did you get involved with

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Speaker 2: the Boys and Girls Club?

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Speaker 4: So, I actually grew up in the Boys and Girls

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Speaker 4: Club and I talk about it in my book. So

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Speaker 4: I grew up in the Boys and Girls Club on

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Speaker 4: the West side of Chicago. It was Boys and Girls

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Speaker 4: Clubs when I was working part time that when my

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Speaker 4: mother didn't have health insurance, they raised.

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Speaker 3: The money to bury my mother.

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Speaker 4: It was the Boys and Girls Clubs as a kid

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Speaker 4: that kept me off the streets, and I would say

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Speaker 4: pretty much kept me alive.

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Speaker 3: And I was also a kid that could not read.

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Speaker 3: I could not write.

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Speaker 4: And today you know, I run a multimillion dollar nonprofit

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Speaker 4: organization in Madison, Wisconsin. So I was recruited here by

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Speaker 4: Boys and Girls Clubs. When I was a deputy Commissioner

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Speaker 4: for Parks and Recreation in the City of.

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia, amazing. So, you guys, mister Johnson has a book.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Audacity to Lead.

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Speaker 3: You can call me Michael.

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Speaker 1: Michael Bold Mindsets and nonprofit Impact, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so the title is The Audacity to Lead,

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Speaker 3: and it's the seven Mindset Lessons on Love, Family, and

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Speaker 3: turning adversity into Impact. And the subtitle is from the

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Speaker 3: Project to the c Suite period. And really I.

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Speaker 4: Really focused the book on I talk about, you know,

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Speaker 4: all the adversity that I faced not being able to

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Speaker 4: read and write to end up graduating and getting the NBA,

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Speaker 4: to going to Cornell University, to Harvard Business School and

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Speaker 4: getting all these credentials and degrees, to becoming a millionaire

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Speaker 4: and losing that money in six months after our sue

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Speaker 4: the university that I went to, after the coaches dressed

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Speaker 4: up in kuklusklam you know outfits back in the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 3: I talk about that, you know.

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Speaker 4: In the book, I talk about my friend BG, he

518
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Speaker 4: was killed, you know, right in front of the boys

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Speaker 4: and girls clubs.

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Speaker 3: But I also talk about how.

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Speaker 4: I've raised two hundred and fifty million dollars over the

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Speaker 4: last twenty five years in multiple cities. I talk about

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Speaker 4: how we raised money for Maud Avery family when he

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Speaker 4: was killed in Brunswick, Georgia. I talk about Michael Brown

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Speaker 4: and Saint Louis when the mayor and the Urban League

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Speaker 4: CEO asked us to raise money.

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Speaker 3: You know, for that family.

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Speaker 4: I talk about the money that we've raised for educational

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Speaker 4: programs up in black and brown kids graduate from high

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Speaker 4: school and go on to college. I talk about a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of different things, you know in the book,

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Speaker 4: but I also talk about love and leaving with passion.

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Speaker 4: I talk about how I built the first statue of

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Speaker 4: a black woman and our state capitol by the name

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Speaker 4: of Veil Phillips in the United States. Before last July,

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Speaker 4: there was not one singular statue of a black woman

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Speaker 4: anywhere in America on state capitol grounds. And after the

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Speaker 4: George Floyd you know, protests, I talk about in the

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Speaker 4: book how young activists challenged my leadership and pretty much

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: Young black activists.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, young black activist And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 4: I talk about it in the book, And so what

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Speaker 4: came out of that. They challenged me and said there's

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Speaker 4: no black representation at our state capitol and now there's

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Speaker 4: a million dollar statue of a woman by the name

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Speaker 4: of Veil Phillips. She was the first woman in the

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Speaker 4: country to ever be named to a national political party.

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Speaker 4: She was the first woman in the country to be

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Speaker 4: named to a statewide office, and she was the first

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Speaker 4: black woman of many different things here in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: So I knew.

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Speaker 4: While it took us four years to get it done,

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Speaker 4: last July, we were able to erect this statue and

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Speaker 4: then we made history in the United States.

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Speaker 3: And I talk about that in the book.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy for it to be that many first for

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Speaker 2: this black woman and does not have known her name, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, her name is phil R. Phillips. She was

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Speaker 4: appointed by John F. Kennedy to the Democratic National Committee

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Speaker 4: and the first of any colored woman, any woman, and

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Speaker 4: she's having to be a woman of color to be

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Speaker 4: elected to a statewide office. And she did all this

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Speaker 4: in the sixties and seventies. It was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: And we didn't got a movie about this woman.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, but yes, it's all kind of documentary on her.

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Speaker 2: They're are Phillips.

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Speaker 1: So in your book you talk about the seven mindset lessons.

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Speaker 1: Can you list those for us? Because I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So in the chapter in the in I should

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Speaker 4: have sent you all a copy of the book.

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Speaker 3: So it's really I broke that down.

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Speaker 1: By you should have bought one. Sorry, you know it's.

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Speaker 4: On Amazon, it's on good Reads, and uh, I hope

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Speaker 4: you allill read it to Really it's a good a

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: lot of good stuff in there. So chapter one, the

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Speaker 4: first mindset is about the urgency of now and pretty

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Speaker 4: much unleashing your purpose and making the best of what

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Speaker 4: you got in your situation. Chapter two I focus on

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Speaker 4: how to expand your horizon and surrounding yourself with role

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Speaker 4: models and believing in a bigger vision in your life.

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Speaker 4: And I give examples through aversity on how I accomplished

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Speaker 4: that as a as a nonprofit leader.

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Speaker 1: Chapter three, So chapter one, power of now, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is what I struggle with the you know because

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and next week are killers. Someway, I'll do it tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it Monday, Monday and tomorrow. So how do you?

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Speaker 2: How do?

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Speaker 1: How do? What would your advice be to someone to

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Speaker 1: do it now? You know, start where you are?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would first go back to there were

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Speaker 4: people that would tell me I knew I wanted to

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Speaker 4: be a CEO, and there was people that would tell me,

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Speaker 4: because of my circumstances and because you rarely see black

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Speaker 4: people running multimillion dollar organizations that it was very slam.

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Speaker 4: So back when, I would say in my early twenties,

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Speaker 4: I was still running the streets in Chicago, and at

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Speaker 4: that time I couldn't read and write, but I knew

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Speaker 4: that I wanted to do something with my life. I

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Speaker 4: saw my friends being killed, I seen them getting life

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Speaker 4: sentences in Chicago, and I just didn't want that to

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Speaker 4: be me. So what I would say, a day is

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Speaker 4: one step at a time, right, you know, life is

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Speaker 4: a marathon. You're not going to like knock it out

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Speaker 4: the park right away, but you have to swing the

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Speaker 4: back and some days you'll hit, you'll get on first base,

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Speaker 4: some days you might strike out, some days you'll get

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Speaker 4: on second base, and some days you will hit the

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Speaker 4: goddamn Grand Slam, And but you gotta I'm sorry for Curtison,

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Speaker 4: I apologize.

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Speaker 2: Did you really listen to our show?

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Speaker 4: I actually did, I really did.

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was on a panel yesterday and I slipped up

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Speaker 4: and I was like, and I was a pastor. Was

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Speaker 4: on a panel with me and I was like, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, I'm sorry. So so I would say that

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Speaker 4: it's just all about swinging the back and whatever your goals.

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Speaker 4: I always tell, whether it's my colleagues or young people

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Speaker 4: that's around me, like what's your mission and what's your

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Speaker 4: what's your vision for your life? Right, So, if there's

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Speaker 4: somewhere that you want to be five years from now,

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Speaker 4: did you write it out? Did you map it out?

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Speaker 4: What's your intersections to get into your destination? And I

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Speaker 4: always try to do that, and I would say that

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Speaker 4: would be that would be my advice. Write out what

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Speaker 4: it is you want to accomplish and take one.

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Speaker 3: Step at a time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I literally wake up every morning I be chatting do

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Speaker 1: it now, Like just to get to the gym. Just

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Speaker 1: do it now? Do it now? Do it now? Because

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Speaker 1: our bullshit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and we all struggle with that, right,

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Speaker 4: just speaking like the gym. You know, I was I

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Speaker 4: went for a two mile walk this morning and I

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Speaker 4: got up at five o'clock, but I actually did started

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Speaker 4: till eight and I was like, oh my gosh, she

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Speaker 4: just got out there early.

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Speaker 3: And it's just it's difficult.

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Speaker 4: But as you know, once you start and you get

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Speaker 4: to a cycle of it, you know you'll just get

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Speaker 4: You'll just get used to it. And that's the same

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Speaker 4: with careers, right you get into these roles and finance

647
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Speaker 4: might be something that you may not be good with,

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Speaker 4: marketing or public speaking, whatever that is. Take whatever steps

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Speaker 4: you are to craft your feel I mean, I look

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Speaker 4: at what you all are doing. I watched y'all shows,

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Speaker 4: and y'all are very entertaining, very funny. Y'all talk about

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Speaker 4: some really really good content. It kept my attention. Like

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Speaker 4: I said with you earlier, I was up to midnight

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Speaker 4: last night. I raally stay up to midnight watching anybody show.

655
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: So y'all, y'all what it take?

656
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: And it seemed like.

657
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: Y'all building up y'all base, building up y'all content. It's

658
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 4: pretty amazing what y'all are doing.

659
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: Thank you.

660
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a lot of commitment, boy, it does.

661
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: So what's one mental habit that you think could possibly

662
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: be holding back some black leaders or people who are

663
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: aspiring Because I remember when I worked also I work

664
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: a corporate job now, but before my boss asked me

665
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: like what I wanted to be? What I wanted to be?

666
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: What I wanted to do within the corporation, right, because

667
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: she said she always knew she wanted to be the boss.

668
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to manage people, right. I'm good

669
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: at managing processes.

670
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: Right.

671
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: So what's one mindset that you think maybe hindering a

672
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: lot of you know, people who think they're the boss.

673
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, like, if you're trying to move

674
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: up the corporate ladder, one things that I learned is

675
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: that you have to be like, if you're always the

676
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 4: smartest purpose person in the room, you're probably not growing.

677
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: And so I think about I told somebody the other

678
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: day when I was on this yesterday, I was on

679
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: this panel, and they said, you know, I'm on TV

680
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 4: a lot here in Madison, Wisconsin, and people are soon

681
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: that I only hang out with HOGH Network individuals because

682
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 4: of all of the resources that we raised for kids

683
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: and their families. And what I've actually told them is that,

684
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: you know, some of my friends include people with GEDs,

685
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: PhDs and everything in between, from HOGH Network individuals to

686
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: people who are still drug dealers and gang bangers. And

687
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: I learned from each one of them. And because when

688
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: I learned from them, I then can bring those two

689
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: worlds together. I say all that to say, AJ is

690
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 4: that you have to put yourself in different environments to grow.

691
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: And so I'll give an example.

692
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 4: When I moved to Madison, Wisconsin, one of the first

693
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: parties that got invited to was a farm party. And

694
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: I was like, and it was a donor and I

695
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 4: was like, God, I don't want to go to that shit.

696
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: A farm party. And so it's of a farm party.

697
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 4: So I automatically judged what I thought a farm party

698
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: is gonna be, Like there's gonna be some sheep and

699
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 4: cows and shotguns. And I get out there. Man, these

700
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: folks had a live band. They had those four wheelers

701
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: and I'm out there like going through the mud, and

702
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: they had they had a barbecue out there. It was

703
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 4: it was lit, and I was like, I was one

704
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: of the last people to leave. And so and that night,

705
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 4: that night, that family, well, since I've been to that event,

706
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: that family has helped me raise a million dollars, you know,

707
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: since you know, since coming here sixteen years ago, fifty

708
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: thousand here, one hundred thousand there. And so I was

709
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: just saying, you always got to just be willing to

710
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: put yourself out there and go into different environments if

711
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 4: you're going to grow.

712
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely in chapter three, what were you saying? You were

713
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: giving us the seven Yeah.

714
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 4: So chapter three, you know, the Academy of adversity, forging

715
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 4: tragedy and turning pain into power.

716
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: Right.

717
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: We all go through some sort of pain, whether it's

718
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 4: a sibling or a parent dying, or you're getting fired

719
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: at work or whatever it is. We all deal with

720
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: some sort of pain. And in the book, I talk

721
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: about the pain that we experience and not letting pain

722
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: and adversity set you back. In my case, you know,

723
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: I talked about this cool cluss Clan incident when I

724
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: was at a university and the coach is dressed up

725
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 4: in kul Klusklan outfits and and uh yeah, it's all

726
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: in the books and it made national news back in

727
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: the nineties.

728
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: You did you sign an NDA? Can you say the

729
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: school's name?

730
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 4: What I will say if you go to my website

731
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: the school actually invited me back thirty years later. This

732
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: happened in nineteen ninety three, And if you go to

733
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 4: m Johnson CEO dot com, I actually posted the video

734
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 4: of me at this school talking about the incident. So

735
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: at first I wouldn't have talked about it, because I

736
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: don't know what I signed when I was eighteen years old.

737
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: But since the school has talked about it, they've invited

738
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: me back. I didn't name the school in the book

739
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: because I do think eventually it did the right thing

740
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: by me. And I always told people that the coach

741
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 4: went to jail, the students went to jail, and I

742
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 4: came home with a boatload of money, and I bought

743
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: a truck, I bought some rims, I bought a bunch

744
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: of speakers, gave started a record label. I bought a restaurant.

745
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: I got into a little bit of entrepreneurship in Chicago

746
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: on the streets.

747
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: And six months later I was broke.

748
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: And yeah, and I thought about committing suicide. And because

749
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: I couldn't have believed that I went through, you know,

750
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: all that money, and I was thankful that I had

751
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 4: people in my in my life, including my wife, who

752
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 4: encouraged me to go back to school and to do

753
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: something with my life, and it ended up taking me.

754
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: I ended up going to Malcolm X's Junior College, and

755
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: Malcolm X Junior College wouldn't even accept me at their

756
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: school because.

757
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: That's where I learned.

758
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: I couldn't read and write at proficiency and then ultimately

759
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: it took me four and a half years to get

760
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: an associate's degree. So that was one example where I

761
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: talked about adversity and how I got through that pain

762
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: and how I fought through it to ultimately become one

763
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: of the most successful Boys and Girls club leaders in

764
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: the country.

765
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Amazing. So this is a prime example of you know

766
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: a lot of black folks that are fighting for reparations

767
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: all the time. We are old a lot of reparations,

768
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but without the financial literacy, we

769
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: will literally collectively give that money back to the system

770
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours. So you got a million dollars.

771
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: You obviously easily attract money, okay, eighteen years old a

772
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: million dollars, but without that financial literacy, you ended up

773
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: in the same predicament.

774
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let me just say this.

775
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: It was a blessing because what I learned is that

776
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: I didn't earn that money, so I didn't respect it.

777
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 4: And that's why I went back to school and got

778
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: all my degrees in business, a master's in business and

779
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: bachelor's in business, have all these business certifications. Because what

780
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 4: happened when you don't understand how to do financial projections,

781
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 4: don't know how to understand profit.

782
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: And laws, revenue and experience.

783
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 4: Their financial acumen. I don't care what you do in life,

784
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: whether it's for profit, nonprofit, your own business. You gotta

785
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: have business in life. You gotta have business acumen. So

786
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 4: I told myself that if I ever was put in

787
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: a position again, that I would never make that mistake again.

788
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: And I never have.

789
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: So you said that your wife encourage you to go

790
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: back to school. How young were you at that time

791
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: when your wife was, like, babies, just go back to school.

792
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: So my mindset was not really at a good place. Then.

793
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: My wife was a chemist and she went to University

794
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 4: of Minnesota. So, and she was from the South side

795
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: of Chicago. She grew up in a household where she

796
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 4: had both parents. My mindset was, if I got her pregnant,

797
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: I could move in with her mom and live in

798
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: their empty basement. That was my game plan. She was

799
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: a chemist, she was doing well in school. I knew

800
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: if she a chemist coming out of college would probably

801
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 4: make seventy eighty thousand dollars a year. So she was

802
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: my That was that was my meal ticket, right, She

803
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: and I got I got bemboozled, right, so she was like, Nope,

804
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 4: that's not going to happen. And she really encouraged me

805
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: at the time I was running the streets. She was like,

806
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: I'm really not going to lay down with you until

807
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 4: I run your credit. She made me take a health exam,

808
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: so I did to go take an age test and

809
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: get all my blood work done, and then she ran

810
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: my She ran my credit and she told me I

811
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 4: couldn't buy back of potato chips on credit, and that

812
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 4: she couldn't really get serious with a guy unless he

813
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: was standing on business. And that's why I enrolled in

814
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: Malcolm Max. At that time, I was I was like

815
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: madly in love and was like a pet.

816
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: Yet these niggas to do and anything. Don't give up

817
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: the cookies, okay.

818
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: So I wasn't miss that opportunity. So I did what

819
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: I had to do. And uh and so I rode

820
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: my ass in school and I figured it out, and

821
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 3: and and and.

822
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: Thankfully I was in a position where I've been able

823
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 4: to earn a really good living. My wife was able

824
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: to take seven years off work and take off our kids,

825
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: and I was able to take care of her, you know,

826
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: during that time, and and we've done well for ourselves.

827
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, don't try this at home. Be careful, okay,

828
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: because not everybody. It's gonna end up like Michael. Okay.

829
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: Results may vary.

830
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: So true, so true, so true, so true.

831
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 2: But I think running the nigga credit is a good

832
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: idea before you sleep.

833
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: With him like that. Listen, she was.

834
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: I thought she was. I thought she was crazy. I

835
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: was like, I was like, I didn't care. I was

836
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: like I didn't really know what credit was, right, and

837
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: so I was like, run whatever you want. She was like,

838
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: I need your self security number. I don't even know

839
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 4: my self. Scared, I had to go to my mama,

840
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: and my mama was like, what do you need it for?

841
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: I was too embarrassed to tell my mama I was

842
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: giving it to this girl. Yeah, make you do strange things,

843
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 4: for sure.

844
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: No, that's amazing, man, Like we need to definitely adopt that. Yeah.

845
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: So I do talk a lot about her in this

846
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: book because just being straight up, I think I would

847
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: still be running the streets if it wasn't for her.

848
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: And uh, and she was the first woman Like where

849
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: I grew up at, people didn't go to weddings right,

850
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: like we got married in the neighborhood boys and Girls

851
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: club or uh in the neighborhood like room in our building,

852
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 4: or you went to city hall. You just got your

853
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: little certificate ated and that was it. So she started

854
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: taking to me like these fancy weddings where three four

855
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: hundred people in these halls. I hadn't never seen anything

856
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: like that. She started taking me to plays like I

857
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: had never been to like a she took me to

858
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: a Tyler Perry play and I was like, what is.

859
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: This Joe black? This is a picture of her. She's

860
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: a black woman.

861
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if okay, yes, when he said she

862
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: was from the South Side, I knew she was black immediately.

863
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that she comes from like a what is

864
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: all the South Side of Chicago? Like Ben is that now?

865
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: It's changing? Right?

866
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: You got High Park where Barack Obama, you know, live,

867
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: it's a very like affluent community. But then you got

868
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: pockets to the south side that's very, very dangerous. But

869
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 4: my wife grew up on like right around ninety fifth

870
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 4: and Halsted, and that community is also starting to shift.

871
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: But the time that she was living there, I saw

872
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: it as an upper middle class community. That's what it

873
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: felt like to me, because I'm like, man, they got

874
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: a house, they got three folk bedrooms and basement, mom

875
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: and dad working.

876
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: That's gonna be my new place of residency.

877
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: So that's like, that's what my family. That's exactly like,

878
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: that's not too far from where my family grew up.

879
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: And they were like in a home. They had a house.

880
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: It was both parents there like, but there was some

881
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: rough spots over there, like it wasn't all it is

882
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: it is.

883
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: I mean, my wife brother was killed right in front

884
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: of their house, shot right in the head. So it's challenging,

885
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: but it's not as bad as the West Side of Chicago.

886
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: And I think most Chicago wins would.

887
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Say that, y'all, let me turn a light on right quick.

888
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: It's getting darker quick, quicker than I thought it was.

889
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so continue with the seven you were at.

890
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: Oh so, so then we're on uh So.

891
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: Chapter four, I talk about embracing the courage and acting

892
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: and committed to a life of growth. In chapter five,

893
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: I talk about the unbreakable spirit and how great transforms

894
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: tough times until like turning points, and I give examples

895
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 4: of all this. And in the book I have these

896
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: reflection questions in each chapter. Right, So I didn't want

897
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: to just make this into like a biography. I wanted

898
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 4: it as a blueprint. So for if somebody's starting a business,

899
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: if somebody trying to take their podcasts or another podcast,

900
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: but the podcasts or whatever to the next level. They

901
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: also say, there's a business side of it, and this

902
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 4: is how you can scale it.

903
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: This is how you raise money, Here's how you nurture

904
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: and store it. Relationships to get people to invest in

905
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 3: what you're doing. And I tough about that, and then

906
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: in chapter six I talk about strategic connections.

907
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: Right, you can never do this work by yourself. Right,

908
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: So I think about, you know, Tam and aj y'all

909
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 4: are doing this together. But I'm pretty sure there's some

910
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 4: people behind the scenes that's also supporting what you all

911
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: are doing and what I've learned. It might be a spouse,

912
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: it might be who. I don't know, if somebody got

913
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 4: be like I don't know, if you got good. Somebody

914
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 4: gotta be helping y'all do something.

915
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: We be trying, we be trying to find.

916
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: We need some of that boys and Girls club money

917
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: behind this ship.

918
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 4: You need to come, you need to come that's what

919
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: I would say in July when I have my wife party.

920
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna bring new addition this year, and

921
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: y'all should come down.

922
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely come having a nonprofit before I get there,

923
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: though again I said, I'm gonna create me a nonprofit

924
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: right before we get there, dons, okay, Or.

925
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: You can do some crowdfunding, right, y'all.

926
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 4: Got I've seen some of the views I got, you know,

927
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 4: I've seen thousands of people on y'all views, So people

928
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: are watching you all, and I just got can't be

929
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 4: afraid to ask and ask people to support your your content,

930
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: and y'all got good if y'all let me tell you this,

931
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: if y'all show was on some bullshit, or to call

932
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 4: Steve O and be like, I'm not really interested, but

933
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 4: y'all got a good show, and I think I got

934
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: a good thing going on, all right. And then the

935
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: last chapter is the APICs in the aftermath, building legacy

936
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: that out lives your lifetime. As I've matured into my role,

937
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 4: what I've learned is really without margin has no mission,

938
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 4: you know, and for years you see whether it's church

939
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 4: based organizations or smaller organizations doing these like little mini

940
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: fish fraud, dinners.

941
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: That stuff is not sustainable.

942
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: To what I've learned is to try to build endowments

943
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: and raise enough money where the interest income can sustain

944
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 4: the work that you're doing. So, for example, you know,

945
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: if I was to show you this building that I'm

946
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: being now, we just built this building three years ago

947
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: and we raised thirty five million dollars in sixteen months,

948
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 4: and it's the largest youth workforce center in the history

949
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: of Boys and Girls clubs, you know, of America. And

950
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: it's probably the best looking office, best looking nonprofit, I

951
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 4: would say, in the state. Remarkable what we have here.

952
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: But it was casting a vision and putting the right

953
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: team around you to be to go out and get

954
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 4: the resources.

955
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: That you need.

956
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, fundraising is definitely a skill set I would love

957
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: to acquire because it's like it you have to put on,

958
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: do you not when you're meeting people.

959
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what, but hm, I'm sorry, you'll get

960
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: used to it. Right, So I'll give you an example. Right, So,

961
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 4: I was in this program at Harvard Business School, and

962
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 4: you know, I knew I wanted to, Like, I was like,

963
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: am I really gonna learn something? I really want to

964
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: spend time in this program, and I ended up doing

965
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: it because I got the scholarship to go and I

966
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: was so inspired. There was this guy Indonesia. It was

967
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 4: a case study that we were learning and this Indonesia,

968
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: this doctor from Indonesia was an eye doctor, and back

969
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: then there was this epidemic of people going blind in

970
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: their country, and everybody had these little, small micro clinics

971
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: that systemically was not solving anything. This man was like,

972
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: I'm going to build like a hundred million dollar hospital.

973
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to mortgage my home and I'm gonna figure

974
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 3: it out.

975
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: And he built me never use your own money.

976
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 4: I know I would never do that, but it was

977
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 4: a powerful story and it inspired me.

978
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 3: At that time.

979
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: I was thinking about building this facility and our goal

980
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: was a million and I went back that night and

981
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: I said, I'm taking this goal to like thirty five

982
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: million dollars, and I laid out a blueprint and we

983
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: went out and we raised it in sixteen months. And

984
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 4: so I say all that to say, the first call

985
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: I made was to a wealthy woman by the name

986
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: of Pleasant Rowland. I don't know if you are If

987
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: you all are familiar with American girl downs, they're really

988
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: famous all over the United States, and those dolls were

989
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: made right here in Middleton, Wisconsin.

990
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 3: So I found her phone number. I got it from somebody.

991
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: I reached out to her. I didn't know if she

992
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: was going to respond or not. She responded, just like

993
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: all three of us is on this call. I got

994
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: on a zoom call with her, and three days later

995
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: we had five million dollars sitting in our back. I

996
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: just simply made the acts and I sold her on

997
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: the vision, and then her husband turned around and gave

998
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: us a million three days later.

999
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: M h, I just need to know what you be saying,

1000
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: because thirty five million.

1001
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: And how many went sixteen months?

1002
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 2: Sixteen months, that's impressive. I need to follow you around.

1003
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: You got the gift of gas, and I think money

1004
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: is attracted to you too now.

1005
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 3: But y'all got there. Y'all got the gift of gap too.

1006
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: I've watched y'all show.

1007
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: There wasn't one minute that it was boring and which

1008
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 4: made me go look at.

1009
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: Other content y'all had.

1010
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: So I saw all of it, all of it, and

1011
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 4: it's really good content.

1012
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 3: So you got the gift the gap.

1013
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 4: It's how you take your craft and continue to show

1014
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: up in it, right, So I talked about all these

1015
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: different programs I've been in at Harvard Business School, at

1016
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: Cornell University, at the Center of Philanthropy.

1017
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: It might just be if philanthropy is.

1018
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 4: A route you want to go to help raise money

1019
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 4: for your platform, you might have to take your platform

1020
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 4: for being a for profit entity to a nonprofit entity

1021
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: and making it more educational base.

1022
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: Right.

1023
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: Then you can apply for grants, Then you can create

1024
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: a board, then you can ask people to make donations

1025
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 4: and they can get a touch right off for that,

1026
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 4: And so it could be done. And plus, both of

1027
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: y'all got a great small y'all got a great smell.

1028
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 3: Y'all. It's just a matter of selling your vision.

1029
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 4: Y'all could be the next whoever, right, the next opera,

1030
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 4: the next billionaires.

1031
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: It all starts somewhere.

1032
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely I wanted to speak to you because

1033
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: I do have an idea for a nonprofit and I

1034
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: don't know where to start. And I think it's a

1035
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: great idea and I need help just a little bit,

1036
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: if I can borrow a little bit of your time.

1037
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: But what what is some of the things that maybe

1038
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: the public misunderstands about nonprofit leaderships, like somebody in your position, CEO,

1039
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: because I see a lot of articles online about people's salary.

1040
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: Ye think yourself. I don't believe in the poll poper shit.

1041
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, I said, I feel like you could be

1042
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: paid well for whatever it is you do if I

1043
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: was a church girly, like I want my church to

1044
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: be rich. You know what I'm saying, Like it's I.

1045
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: Look at it. You know, you get what you pay for.

1046
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: You want to pay somebody thirty thousand dollars, You're gonna

1047
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 4: get thirty thousand dollars worth of work. But I've always

1048
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 4: shared with my board, I don't set my salary.

1049
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: We have one hundred.

1050
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: We have thirty eight board members and seventy something people

1051
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: in our committees, So in reality, I have one hundred

1052
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 4: plus bosses. And what I've asked my board is to

1053
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: pay me with my white counterparts. Make pay me no more,

1054
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 4: pay me no less, and let my performance speak for self. Now,

1055
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 4: you're right, there are people who criticize CEOs for their salaries.

1056
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: But I make no different than what other CEOs make.

1057
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: And I'll also scause you black. Right, that's the problem.

1058
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: Now, you know what?

1059
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think sometimes people see black leaders in these roles,

1060
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: and people criticize you, right, especially when you are a vocal, verbal,

1061
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 4: intelligent CEO that stand on his or her business.

1062
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: People will always attack you. And that's okay.

1063
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 4: But like when people look up my salary or look

1064
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: up my charity, my audience are clean. Every year we

1065
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: are four star Charity Navigator rating, which only about twenty

1066
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: percent of nonprofits in the country, you.

1067
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: Know, get that.

1068
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 4: And every year our balance, our balance sheet gets stronger.

1069
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 4: When I started at Boys and Girls Clubs, we had

1070
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 4: eighteen employees. I now have close to two hundred. When

1071
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 4: I started, we only had about a million dollars in

1072
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: the bank. Now we have close to thirty million dollars

1073
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 4: in their assets. And so people can criticize it, but

1074
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: the results beak for self. There's not another program graduate

1075
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 4: more black and brown kids in this state than I am.

1076
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: I have eleven hundred kids that's in college right now

1077
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 4: in twenty five cities across the United States. My Wisconsin

1078
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: is the largest racial achievement gap in the country. Ninety

1079
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: nine percent of my kids that graduate from high.

1080
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: School and they're going on lunch.

1081
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: Okay, So people could talk all that crap they want,

1082
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: but the results is where.

1083
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: It counts absolutely, aj he said, I don't I make

1084
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: the same thing as every other CEO. All I heard

1085
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: was bullyed.

1086
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: For real because the Goodwill good I think the CEO

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Speaker 1: of Goodwill they make like half a million dollars, over

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: a half a million dollars six hundred and some thousand

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00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: dollars a year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some of some of those guys are running eighty

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,479
Speaker 4: ninety million dollar budgets, no different than our corporate counterparts. Right,

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Speaker 4: So if you have a nonprofit that's running an eighty

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: ninety million dollar organization, and there's some CEOs that run

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00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: companies that have twenty million dollars, they do twenty million

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00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 4: in revenue, and their CEOs make a million dollars and

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00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 4: so or more. And so how I look at it

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00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: is this is how I share this with my board.

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Speaker 4: When I think about pay equity, is not just about

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Speaker 4: the CEOs, about your entire team.

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00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: In my organization, we give our employees sabbaticals.

1101
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: So our employees, you work five years from us, we

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: will pay you to take four months off and you

1103
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 4: can go anywhere you want, and we're still gonna pay

1104
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 4: you so you can have time to be with your

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 4: family and your friends. We're gonna also pay you, not

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00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 4: based on what nonprofit leaders make locally. We bench mark

1107
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 4: our salaries across all non profits across the country to

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 4: make sure that our people are paid here well. When

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: people leave me with my vicevate eleven vice presidents, when

1110
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: they leave me, most of them go on the universities.

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 4: Some of them are foundation presidents now, some of them

1112
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 4: run their own businesses. One was a vice chance of

1113
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 4: a university. And I can go on and on and on,

1114
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 4: And it's not about just the CEO. It's about taking

1115
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 4: care of all your people because in this space there's

1116
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 4: so much turnover in management and the direct care staf

1117
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: positions that families need to see consistent leadership in the

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00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: lives of the families that they serve.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, I know you mentioned love. You talk about

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Speaker 1: loving your book, right, Yeah, So damn the hell was

1121
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: my question? Sorry? How do you balance? How do you

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00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: balance being a CEO and your family, being a husband,

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00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: all those good things?

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Speaker 2: Father?

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Speaker 1: You said you have kids, Yeah, yeah, and what has

1126
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: it taught you? Like, what has it taught you about

1127
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: like love and patience?

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Speaker 4: So I've always on the first say I had my

1129
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 4: before I agreed to do y'all show. I had my son,

1130
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 4: who's a hip hop artist and he's becoming fairly famous,

1131
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: and I said, look at the page to let me know,

1132
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 4: and his exact words were.

1133
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: That they dope as shit. You should go home. And

1134
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: that was his exact words.

1135
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Speaker 4: And he's a junior in college at the University of

1136
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and it goes by MK E three X and

1137
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 4: he just did a music video in Atlanta with the

1138
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 4: Concrete Boys, who is part of I think Young Gotti

1139
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: or one of them. Right, So what I've learned is

1140
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: that people I hear some people say there's never balanced

1141
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 4: when you're a CEO, and that's bullshit, Like you can

1142
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 4: work all your life and make good money, but if

1143
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: you're alone and unhealthy, it means nothing. Because when your

1144
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 4: life is over where you can't take your house, you

1145
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 4: can't take your cars, and you can't take your money

1146
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 4: to wherever you're going after life. Right, So early on

1147
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 4: I did not get that I would come to word

1148
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: and I watched. I remember when my son was born,

1149
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know if I was going to be to

1150
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 4: afford to take care of him, but I didn't want

1151
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: to be a deadbeat dad like my dad, and so

1152
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: I committed to working as hard as I could to

1153
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 4: try to work for my work hard for my family.

1154
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: Now I make sure that my team. I don't call

1155
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 4: my team members on weekends. I don't call them at nighttime.

1156
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 4: And when I do, if I send them a text,

1157
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: I schedule it for six or seven o'clock in the morning,

1158
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: so I'm not bothering or taking them away from their family.

1159
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 4: I also schedule date weekends and nights with my wife

1160
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 4: without the kids, so we are doing stuff together so

1161
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 4: as we get older, we don't lose interest in each

1162
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 4: other because there's a lot of temptation that's out here,

1163
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 4: and people marriages fall apart, you know all the time.

1164
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: And when people know your salary.

1165
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 3: People come at you right.

1166
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1167
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Speaker 4: And so what I've tried to do is I always

1168
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: honor my wife at an read time I can at

1169
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 4: different events. I tried my best to honor her, you know,

1170
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 4: in this book. Because what we've built, we built it together.

1171
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 4: I didn't do it by myself. I built it with

1172
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Speaker 4: a queen that stood not behind me, but side by

1173
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 4: side with me. As we've given back our time and

1174
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 4: our talent and our treasure back to our community.

1175
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hear that, get you a wife.

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: I was just about to say I was just about

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01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: to say that, because you know, in the black community,

1178
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: people really think you can build legacy and generational wealth

1179
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: by yourself. Doesn't work like that.

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01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 4: In the book aj I talk about I actually talk

1181
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 4: about that, right, And there's a there's research that show

1182
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 4: married couples make fourteen percent more in the network than

1183
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 4: those who are not married. Right, and you think about it, right,

1184
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 4: you know, at one point, like, let's think about it.

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Speaker 3: If it's two of you all, and y'all are splitting

1186
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: all the.

1187
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: Bills, and if you're liven beneath or at your means,

1188
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: that means you should be in a position to put

1189
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 4: away thirty or forty percent of your income if y'all

1190
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 4: both are working towards the same goals. Right, some couples

1191
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 4: will be together for twelve, thirteen, fourteen years. Somebody's ranting

1192
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 4: eighteen hundred. Somebody else rant it's twenty five hundred. When

1193
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 4: y'all could be living together and sharing those bills and

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01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 4: reinvesting that money and making nine ten percent every year.

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 4: Then over the decade, look up, damn, I saved one

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01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty two hundred three hundred four hundred five

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars. And if people got to learn you

1198
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Speaker 4: can't go at this by yourself, that's my advice.

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Speaker 3: But you also got to have the right partner too, right.

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Speaker 3: I've seen on both sides.

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01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 4: I've seen some of my male friends be hurt by women,

1202
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 4: and I've seen a lot of family members and females

1203
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 4: that are in my life be hurt by men. So

1204
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 4: you got to find the right person that you are

1205
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 4: equally yoked with to get ahead.

1206
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely on the internet, there is value for men in marriage. Okay,

1207
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: just to sum it up for the niggas who think

1208
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: they gonna get that m by theyself. Mama's women literally

1209
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: come with a loaf of bread. Just our presence might

1210
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: bring the bag for you.

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01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and men are genuinely healthier too when they're married. Right,

1212
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 4: It's and there's all kinds of research out there that

1213
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 4: backs that, that backs that up. And I know sometimes

1214
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: you know especially, I mean both it's men and women. Right, people,

1215
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 4: we live in a society where people are not disciplined,

1216
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 4: and we're not disciplined, and you get in trouble.

1217
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: And so I've learned it I don't put.

1218
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 4: Myself in situations that will cause any to jeopardize my

1219
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: marriage or my relationship with my family.

1220
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: I definitely don't want to lose my kids.

1221
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to lose my family, and I also

1222
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 4: don't want to damage my reputation by trying to have

1223
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 4: thirty five forty minutes of pleasure.

1224
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: Do you have like other men that are also like married,

1225
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, business owners, because I think that also kind

1226
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: of helps keep men in line, right, instead of you

1227
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with all your single homeboys. You know, you're

1228
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: you have a group of men who are on the

1229
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: same page.

1230
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 3: Family men, Yeah, you are your circle, right.

1231
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 4: There are friends in mine who do different things who

1232
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 4: are single, whether it's going out of the country or

1233
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: going to different types.

1234
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: Of clubs broads.

1235
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I cannot go to those types of things with

1236
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 4: them as a married man, and so it's like, hey,

1237
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: if you want to meet me, you got to meet

1238
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 4: me at a Chicago Bulls game or a Bucks game

1239
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 4: or I don't want to put myself in that environment.

1240
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 4: So I do typically try to hang with married men.

1241
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 4: But there's also some married men and married women who

1242
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 4: ain't really married, they just married. They playing games you

1243
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 4: know where those people are having a couple of conversations

1244
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 4: with them, so I try not to. You know, again,

1245
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 4: I'm a very imperfect person. Marriage is not easy. Me

1246
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 4: and my wife been married twenty three years and we've

1247
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 4: had our and flows and it's.

1248
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: Just it is what it is. But you gotta work.

1249
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 3: You gotta continue to work at it.

1250
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: So we want to do like a little quick, little

1251
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: rapid fire. Uh real quick questions.

1252
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 3: Okay, y'all didn't give me no heads up on the questions.

1253
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm scared, man.

1254
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: I literally just know. We never give anybody like outline

1255
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: or heads up. You know, we kind of got our

1256
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: little talking points. But yeah, I said.

1257
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 3: Just remind them that I'm the CEO of Boys and.

1258
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: Girls clubs, so uh so, just just keep that in mind.

1259
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: But these are these are very SIMP story for me

1260
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: and ship like that. Now, let CEO or not. We

1261
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: still need a SIMP story at the end of the episode,

1262
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: So CEO or no, Yeah, we need that. We need

1263
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: know these are regular Yeah, these are a regular question.

1264
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I'm just messing with y'all. An.

1265
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem answering. I'm an open book

1266
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 4: probably answer any question.

1267
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: All right, So audacity or faith? Which one of these

1268
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: things get hard?

1269
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: No wins?

1270
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, audacity or faith? Which one wins when things

1271
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: get hard?

1272
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: And there you go, Fai faith, I would just say that,

1273
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 4: you know, I am a man of faith. I believe

1274
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 4: in God and when when times get tough, I'm not

1275
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 4: super religious, but I know when you covered and when

1276
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 4: you've gone through things that I've been that I've been through,

1277
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 4: I know the only reason I'm standing here today is

1278
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 4: because there's a God.

1279
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: So I would say it faith absolutely.

1280
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: And Tam got dropped off a second. She'll be back.

1281
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 3: She's like he talked to damn much.

1282
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a great interview, all right.

1283
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: So leading or following? Which is harder to do? Well?

1284
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 4: I would say, in order to lead, you have to

1285
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 4: learn to follow, and once you're a leader, sometimes you

1286
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 4: still have to follow. Because good leadership is about pointing

1287
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 4: to other people and allowing other people to lead. So

1288
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 4: good leaders have to be good followers even when they're

1289
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 4: in a leadership.

1290
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay, next question, what's one leadership lesson you learn the

1291
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: hard way?

1292
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 4: When I was on this panel yesterday, I gave an

1293
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 4: example when you start a new organization or you're in

1294
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 4: a new job and you're a new leader, you always

1295
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 4: should do a swallow analysis and really listen the going

1296
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 4: there telling people easy your dreams, this is what you're

1297
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 4: gonna change, you're gonna change, because if you going there

1298
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 4: guns blazing, you might come out as a casualty and

1299
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 4: get buried before you even start. And so I always

1300
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 4: tell people if you're leading a new department, if you're

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01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 4: a new leader, go in meet with all your stakeholders,

1302
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,959
Speaker 4: Meet with uh, the the employees, meet with your clients.

1303
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 4: Understand what the issues are. If there's a person that

1304
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 4: you replace, call that person and learn as much as

1305
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 4: you can and just seek understanding instead of being understood.

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: You ain't answer the question. You ain't answer the question,

1307
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: then no, that makes sense. One leadership lesson. You learned

1308
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: the hard way.

1309
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 1: So what happened some water analysis, which is your strength

1310
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: and opportunities and threat?

1311
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1312
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 4: So I didn't finish it, So I answered the halfway

1313
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 4: by saying right, So see AJ she fell asleep on me?

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01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: I did not.

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01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: I just didn't hear.

1316
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: I didn't hear where they. I didn't hear where that

1317
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: happened there, Like where was you at?

1318
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: Like you didn't to tell the story.

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01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 4: So the incident, I would say, when I started here

1320
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 4: sixteen years ago. My boys and girls clubs, all the

1321
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,520
Speaker 4: country clubs for kids. They're bright, they're clean, they're beautiful.

1322
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: But when I.

1323
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 4: First got here, one of our clubs is really dark.

1324
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 3: It was gloomy.

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 4: And when I got here, I said, throw everything out,

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 4: throw out everything, and I really pissed off a lot

1327
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 4: of people, and about a thirty staff quit on me

1328
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 4: because I was making too many changes too fast. I

1329
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 4: also learned that being a large black male, and I

1330
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 4: give this example. Yesday I was on this panel, there

1331
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 4: was a woman who worked for me, and I thought

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01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 4: she was really fragile. Every time I would be on

1333
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 4: the phone, I would come out of my office and

1334
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 4: she would be crying. I'm like, why the hell are

1335
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 4: you crying? And she was like, every time you raised

1336
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 4: your voice, it's just.

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: Charing. I'm just caring.

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01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 4: So I went to HR and I was like, get

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 4: her out of here. So I got to thinking, I said,

1340
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 4: why is my voice triggering her? So I sat down

1341
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: with her was I wanted to seek understanding. And what

1342
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 4: I didn't realize is that she was in a domestic

1343
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 4: violent violence relationship for over a decade, and her husband

1344
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 4: resembled me, and from what how does she described was

1345
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 4: just as loud as me. And so I grew up

1346
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 4: in a household where everybody just scream and we're loud.

1347
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 4: We're just loud individuals. So what I've learned is that

1348
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 4: I had to temper my enthusiasm or when I got elevated,

1349
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,799
Speaker 4: I now go in my car and I screamed at people.

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01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 3: I don't do it. I don't do it in my

1351
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 3: office anymore.

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Okay, so filling the blank. Real leadership is.

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 4: Karen given and giving back to those who are around you.

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: Good answer, all right, number five? We only got a

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01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 2: couple more. So you can.

1356
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: See you sweat all I'm gonna take you.

1357
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta tell that people what number on next?

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: Number five?

1359
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: If your younger self walked into a room right now,

1360
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 2: what would you tell him?

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

1362
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 4: There was years that I used to be a car thief,

1363
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 4: and those years were very, very challenging in many ways.

1364
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 4: And I wish early on in my life I would

1365
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 4: have turned that switch before I met this woman of mine,

1366
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: And I wish I would have found some mentors around

1367
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 4: me that would have intervened earlier, because I feel like

1368
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 4: I got to later start in life because of some

1369
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 4: of the things I was doing back when I was

1370
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 4: in my late teens and early twenties.

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: What's your personal definition of success today?

1372
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 3: I would say, I would say it's threefold.

1373
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say one, my family first and foremost, and

1374
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 4: really measuring how healthy my family is and how we

1375
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 4: acting and support one another. So I would say that's

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 4: one target of mind. Then I would say, on the

1377
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 4: business side, my work at Boys and Girls clubs in

1378
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 4: terms of the resources that we raise, are we really

1379
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 4: impacting young people lives? Are they graduating from high school?

1380
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 4: Are they going on to college? Are they graduating and

1381
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 4: becoming medical doctors and lawyers? And are we seeing it

1382
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 4: and are we tracking it? And that's the other thing.

1383
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 4: And then I would say, now that I've just turned fifty,

1384
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 4: it's health related, right, you know. Every year I go

1385
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 4: to the Mayo Clinic, which is the number one, I think,

1386
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 4: the number one hospital in the country, and I go

1387
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 4: and get executive physicals done to make sure that you know,

1388
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 4: I'm checking all my my blood levels and making sure

1389
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 4: that I'm okay as you do this work, because when

1390
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 4: you raise money for challenge communities, there's a lot of

1391
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 4: challenges that come with tax that come with the jealousy

1392
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 4: that come with the envy that comes with it, and

1393
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 4: you got to be prepared and ready all the time.

1394
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: Are you Are you insured? I mean yes? Do they

1395
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: ensure you?

1396
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: Like?

1397
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: I know, people who make CEOs usually, like the companies

1398
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: usually have insurance on them.

1399
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 4: Everybody should get insurance, Like it's I've had I've probably

1400
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 4: had insurance on me for fifteen years.

1401
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm saying the corporation has insurance on you.

1402
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

1403
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: Why you're going to get that blood work done.

1404
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 4: Let me my board doesn't require but it's something you know,

1405
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 4: they don't require it all at all.

1406
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I was asking.

1407
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, no company can require you like it's because of

1408
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 4: hippo laws. You don't have to share your health status

1409
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 4: with anybody. Now a board could say, we encourage you

1410
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: to deal it. In my case, you know, fifty was

1411
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 4: a milestone for me, and you know, turning fifty there's

1412
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 4: a lot of people who just at least fro where

1413
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 4: I come from are either fifty and there's all kind

1414
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 4: of health issues or they didn't make it to fifty.

1415
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 4: And so the last few years, I'm working to be

1416
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 4: a healthier, healthier person. And you can only do that

1417
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 4: by knowing your status, right, knowing you know what your

1418
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 4: A one C is, what your cholesterol is, and all

1419
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 4: those things, because they take a lot of us out.

1420
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a physical done on Friday. Man,

1421
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: y'all will get y'all a physical. Yeah, I'm run here thinking,

1422
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: I just love to eat crushed ice, super amic, super anemic.

1423
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 4: I always know people like I was showing some people

1424
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 4: like I got this my chart thing from the male clinic,

1425
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 4: and I was showing a group of people like all

1426
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 4: of my results right, and they were like, man, you

1427
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 4: share yourself. I don't mind sharing it because people should know,

1428
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 4: like what all their levels are, right, you know. And

1429
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 4: a lot of us die with this pancreatic cancer or

1430
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 4: like it's it's just so much stuff that can be

1431
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 4: treated early if you catch it. And so and I

1432
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 4: gotta think my wife, right, there was parents in my

1433
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 4: and I married us. I ain't going to know a doctor.

1434
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 4: And she's like, oh, it's been two years. You ain't

1435
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 4: got your fist. Oh I go next year? She was like, nope,

1436
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 4: you're going now. So part of it, I would say,

1437
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 4: being married to a good woman, she would make you go.

1438
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 3: I am, I am really.

1439
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 4: Honored, appreciate, and honestly, if you ever need my help

1440
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 4: and you need me.

1441
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: To jump on the I need it right now. I

1442
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: need your help and I have a friend who needs

1443
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: your help. One of my girlfriends was recently the CEO

1444
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: of a nonprofit here in Charleston, South Carolina, and the

1445
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: board was giving her a super super tough time, first

1446
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: black woman, young, she's only forty as well, she just

1447
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: turned forty in December, and you know, they just didn't

1448
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: treat her well. So she ended up stepping down recently.

1449
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: But I know she's good at raising money. I've been

1450
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: to it, so like, yeah, I would also like, you know,

1451
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: maybe this is another reason why she needs I would

1452
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: like for you to possibly talk to her. Also, yeah, of.

1453
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 3: Course say no more than.

1454
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, AJ feeling your schedule up?

1455
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: Ain't she tell you relationships is worth more than money? Okay? Okaya?

1456
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,839
Speaker 4: Life is an open book, and I went through something

1457
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 4: like that. I ran a very large nonprofit and I

1458
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 4: went there for four months and my departure was very,

1459
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 4: very very public and U and so and I was

1460
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 4: a black CEO of two different nonprofits, first black CEO

1461
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 4: of two and it just didn't work because I am

1462
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 4: the type of CEO that I cannot be a figurehead

1463
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 4: and I will not be a figurehead. And if you

1464
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 4: hire me as the CEO, you got to know if

1465
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 4: I interview for a job, I'm going to be straight

1466
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 4: up with you, right, I am an entrepreneurial CEO, and

1467
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 4: if you hire me in that role, you need to

1468
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 4: allow me and empower me to be in that role.

1469
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 4: But you got to find somebody else. And it's that symbol.

1470
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 4: And I've always operated like that. And so when you

1471
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 4: ask the question around audacity of faith, my faith have

1472
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 4: always allowed me to step out there on courage and

1473
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 4: know that your skills are strong enough that if somebody

1474
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 4: mistreat you, you're laying on your feet in the next

1475
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 4: opportunity to present itself.

1476
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: Period.

1477
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: Am all right? Final question? Complete this sentence. In twenty

1478
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: twenty five, the world needs more leaders who blank.

1479
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 4: Show empathy and compassion. You know, I think about what's

1480
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 4: going on with the SNAP program. I made a post

1481
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 4: about it on my LinkedIn profile that I think has

1482
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 4: now gone viral, and you like, there's people out here

1483
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 4: that have no empathy. And as somebody who benefited you

1484
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 4: know from Snap, a mother who was single, they had

1485
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 4: schizophrenia and mental health issues. There are people who are

1486
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 4: dependent on those resources. And I just see a lack

1487
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 4: of empathy and a lack of compassion from so many

1488
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 4: people in this country right now. And we need leaders

1489
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 4: who's going to be bridge builders and show empathy and compassion.

1490
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, none of that, that's for sure, and they

1491
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: need to go ahead and give them Snap benefits right

1492
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 2: on back.

1493
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: Messed around, really Snap, but they I.

1494
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: Think they got they got it. They got it November first.

1495
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: But I guess there's going to be any trumpset.

1496
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 4: Trump a couple of hours ago said it's not happening.

1497
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 4: Yesterday they announced that they were going to get half

1498
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 4: half of the funds out, and then today he circled

1499
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 4: it back and say, ain't nothing going down until the

1500
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: Democrats come.

1501
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 3: And pass his budget. Wow, you know, in cases like

1502
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: this and.

1503
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: What all I got to see what all that budget includes,

1504
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: because a lot of times they have a whole bunch

1505
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: of bullshit. The small print people aren't reading that's included

1506
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: in these bills and budgets, right, which is probably why

1507
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: they won't pass it.

1508
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 4: I mean, people have agendas, and people want to reallocate

1509
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 4: funds to things that's important to them. And the reality

1510
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 4: is we are a very divided country. The president won

1511
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 4: with a little over half the vote, and his base

1512
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 4: is probably saying, why why cater to that other half

1513
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 4: when they're not going to vote for you anyway. And

1514
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 4: so I think it's going to be a challenging next

1515
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 4: few years for a lot of a lot of people people,

1516
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 4: and that's why we need leaders who are empathetic and

1517
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 4: compassion and are willing to step up and do things

1518
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 4: outside of the box. And you know, normally, like over

1519
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 4: the holidays, you'll see every year I usually go out

1520
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 4: and buy somebody a car and raise money for that.

1521
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 4: We've a couple of years ago, you'll see news stories

1522
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 4: where we help purchase a half a million dollar house

1523
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 4: for our maintenance guy. We go around town and we

1524
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 4: give away two three four thousand dollars in tips to

1525
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 4: restaurant workers. And it's not necessarily just giving out.

1526
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: It ain't my money. I just raise it. On social media.

1527
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 4: People are compassionate and they're empathetic and they want to help.

1528
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 2: So a half a million dollar home for how do

1529
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: I apply for the janitorial position right now? Because I

1530
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 2: clean that motherfucker from top to bottom.

1531
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 4: Okay, let me tell you this story about this guy,

1532
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 4: and I talk about it in the book.

1533
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,520
Speaker 3: And if you go to m Johnson's CEO dot.

1534
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 4: Com on my website, right on the homepage, you will

1535
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 4: see a video about this Gentleman's name is Dwayne Malone.

1536
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 4: When I came to Boys and Girls Club sixteen years ago,

1537
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 4: we had no money for maintenance, and Dwayne was like, man,

1538
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 4: I believe in what you're trying to do, and he said,

1539
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to help you get these buildings together. So

1540
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 4: he came in one Christmas and we painted one of

1541
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 4: our boys and girls to meet him in like three

1542
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 4: volunteers from Christmas Eve all the way to like.

1543
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: New Year's Day.

1544
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 4: And every year he's been with me doing something. When Flint,

1545
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 4: Michigan happened, Flint Michigan gave me a key to the city.

1546
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 4: All I really did.

1547
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 3: Was showed up.

1548
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 4: I told Dwayne I wanted to take fifty thousand gallons

1549
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 4: of water down there, and we had two days to

1550
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 4: do it. I posted it on my Facebook page and

1551
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 4: within two days he collected fifty thousand gallons of water

1552
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 4: and we took it down to Flint, Michigan. I really

1553
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 4: just used my profile and my influence to get the

1554
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 4: word out. But he did all the major labor. And

1555
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 4: I recognized that the same thing happened when there was

1556
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 4: tornadoes and floods in Houston. We rescued people out of

1557
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 4: their houses. I went down there with firefighters and newspeople,

1558
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 4: and it was Dwayne who drove that semi trailer you know,

1559
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 4: down there full of supplies. So in Wisconsin we have

1560
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 4: the largest racial gap in home ownership. And he was

1561
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 4: trying to buy him and his new wife a house

1562
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 4: that was like an hour and a half outside of Wisconsin.

1563
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 3: And he was actually smart. He told me that's what

1564
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: he was trying to do. So he was making his

1565
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 3: ask without making his acts, and I was like, man,

1566
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 3: I got to take care of my guy. Now what

1567
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 3: came of that?

1568
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: If you read the comments like in that set, people

1569
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 4: are like, oh my god, how can he do this?

1570
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 4: Why would he buy this? For as baking this guy

1571
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 4: and as other people. Sometimes you got to take care

1572
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 4: of people on your team too. And I'm thankful because

1573
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 4: here's a guy who is giving his time and his

1574
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 4: talent to our organizationation for years and all I simply

1575
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 4: did us ask dollars to give ten thousand here, twenty

1576
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 4: thousand there, thirty thousand there to buy him his dream house.

1577
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that wasn't He was the steward of the Lord

1578
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,520
Speaker 2: and the Lord, so I fit the blessing.

1579
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 3: With a home.

1580
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: That's all that was.

1581
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1582
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they leave it bags for something real important. Get

1583
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: on a hacksing for twenty dollars. You need five hundred

1584
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Listen, don't nothing piss me off? Then the

1585
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: person asking for twenty dollars, because what you about to

1586
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: do with that? Like, right, I ask anybody even anything.

1587
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: I really can't afford it a big ass.

1588
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 3: All right.

1589
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: We are going to ask break now. When we get back,

1590
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: you gotta give us your SIMP story. Okay, so just

1591
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 2: be prepared, think about it while we're on this break.

1592
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 3: And you gotta re you gotta re educate me on

1593
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:49,919
Speaker 3: the SIMPS story.

1594
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna help you, all right. We're not

1595
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 2: really taking a break. We just put a break in there,

1596
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,440
Speaker 2: But Simp serious.

1597
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 3: I got y'all making money.

1598
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 2: It's a couple of little dollars.

1599
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna go oh money.

1600
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're trying to get some of that.

1601
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: I do, got it. It's just in the universe around.

1602
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 4: And just remember old me when y'all started your foundation,

1603
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 4: and I'll come. I'll come work for y'all when y'all

1604
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 4: making them millions.

1605
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna hold you today, don't hold you to that.

1606
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 3: I'll come. I'll come work for y'all any day.

1607
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, now we're gonna be looking for you.

1608
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: I'm about to come work at the Boys and Girls

1609
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: Club because I'm trying to get these student loans paid off.

1610
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: And y'all know if you work for a nonprofit, you

1611
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: can get your student loans forgiving.

1612
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 3: I think already looked up my salary, so.

1613
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: I think, no, I am, I know finance right, I'm money.

1614
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 3: Look your ship up.

1615
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: Me wanted to get my city loans written off. Don't

1616
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with your salary. I'm trying to

1617
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: get you to pay the government depend.

1618
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: All right, So Simp, sim story you have to tell

1619
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: a story about the time you got played by the Office.

1620
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 3: Of sex Ooh peez.

1621
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: Now he's been with his wife for twenty three years now,

1622
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 1: be real curlful, right.

1623
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,879
Speaker 3: Think about that one. I don't think I've ever been played.

1624
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 2: Oh you're one of those.

1625
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: You're a virgo. What's your birth Whe're your birthday? He

1626
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: a libra libra?

1627
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 2: You a libra like play like she's on just played.

1628
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: Somebody finessed you out of some money. Somebody made you

1629
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 2: think that they really liked you, and you call them

1630
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 2: with your homeboy in a locker room or something.

1631
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 3: I swear to God, and that's never happened to me.

1632
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Because somebody said, I guess you could put it in

1633
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: a in a donor way. I don't know how somebody

1634
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: ever promised you some money and didn't come through with

1635
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: the donation.

1636
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 4: I mean I could say I was played by my

1637
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 4: wife early on. She's dating I talk about it, but

1638
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 4: she dated this prince looking as us dude, and uh

1639
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 4: I actually talked about in the book and we were dating.

1640
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 4: I didn't want to get serious, and she was like, well,

1641
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back and see my ex boyfriend and

1642
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 4: like bring some closure to that the weekend. I wanted

1643
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 4: to get serious and when she left Chicago, her her

1644
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 4: hair was all whipped up, and she came back three

1645
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 4: days later and it looked like a hot mess.

1646
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: And I just knew you wanted to get serious. Now

1647
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: she is Arbitrarily, she.

1648
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 3: Went back and slept with her ex man.

1649
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: That was the weekend you wanted to be serious.

1650
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: See how Nick, you know how you know how it is?

1651
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 3: She was.

1652
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: We both were like we dated for ten years before

1653
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 4: we got married, and I was in the music business.

1654
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 4: It was just hard to settle. It was just very difficult,

1655
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to lie to her until I knew.

1656
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 4: And that took me seeing her with another guy. I

1657
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 4: think what happened when I was daying o.

1658
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: That hair fucked though, Like.

1659
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 4: That did hurt me. I was all week she was

1660
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 4: in she was in Minnesota. She was in Minnesota. I

1661
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 4: was listening to the Osley Brothers all week I was.

1662
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 3: I was.

1663
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 4: I was in a little feetal position, and you know

1664
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 4: how it is when your woman is with another man,

1665
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 4: All kind of stuff go through your head. And I

1666
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 4: was brave enough to talk about it in the book

1667
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 4: and so h but she was honest with me. She said,

1668
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 4: I need closure, and so I'm gonna go and talk

1669
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 4: to him, and I knew they woul talk, and I

1670
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 4: was like, I was like, I could drive to Minnesota

1671
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 4: with you.

1672
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: Right, because why y'all can't talk on the phone. Y'all

1673
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: had then, though, but I knew.

1674
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 4: She was with that guy for a while, and I

1675
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 4: don't know what, you know, It still bothers me to

1676
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 4: this day.

1677
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: I told y'all, if you cheat on your man and

1678
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: he take you back, leave that nigga immediately.

1679
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 3: She can't to Minnesota. Ever.

1680
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 4: Ever, some years ago, you know, women, I feel like women,

1681
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 4: at least the women I've dated, like some men don't

1682
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 4: get emotionally tired and and easy to move on.

1683
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,799
Speaker 3: And I would say, at least for the women I dated,

1684
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 3: it's just not that easy.

1685
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 4: And so my wife in this case was like a stud.

1686
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 4: She was just like, look, you know, while while we

1687
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 4: were going back and forth, she was like, you know what,

1688
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 4: if you go do your thing, you do your thing,

1689
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna live my life and I ain't gonna

1690
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 4: wait on you, and.

1691
01:29:59,400 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: We can do it.

1692
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 4: And when I got serious she uh, you know, I

1693
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 4: was like, we gotta now commit if we're gonna do this,

1694
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 4: and she said, well, I need one more weekend, And uh, rightfully?

1695
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: So right like her? I like her.

1696
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 2: I like her a lot. She was like, I ran

1697
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: your credit your credit wasn't she? And I'm about to

1698
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 2: go see Malcolm because you playing Malcolm in the middle.

1699
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 2: In the middle, that was a good that was a

1700
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 2: good story, all.

1701
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 3: Right, tell so I gotta tell her all over again?

1702
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 3: Did you record that?

1703
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 5: No?

1704
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,919
Speaker 1: We recorded recorded?

1705
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 3: What?

1706
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what why would we have stopped?

1707
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,799
Speaker 2: Oh that break? Ben over buddy, we.

1708
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Canial oh my god before we wrap it up. So

1709
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,799
Speaker 1: for our listeners, Uh, because a lot of people are creatives,

1710
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs every day, people just trying to lead, you know,

1711
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: and whatever laying they're in. So what's the one bold

1712
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:26,560
Speaker 1: step they can take this week to start leading with audacity.

1713
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 3: Self reflection, introspective work it.

1714
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta like you can't pour it into your

1715
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,879
Speaker 4: future until you realize what's.

1716
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 3: Going on with you right now in the moment.

1717
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 4: And uh, And so I try to self reflect a lot,

1718
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 4: like even to this day at fifty.

1719
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 3: I don't feel accomplished.

1720
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 4: And some people look at my house and my car

1721
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 4: and my big office and all the stuff we do,

1722
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 4: and I still don't feel accomplished. And the reason I

1723
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 4: think that's the case is because I shared it with you.

1724
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 4: The variety of people that I hang with, right, I

1725
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 4: have some friends who are multi millionaires and billionaires, and

1726
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 4: I have some friends who are still living lives that's

1727
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 4: not as productive. And I learned from all of them.

1728
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 4: But I don't feel as successful as I know I

1729
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 4: could be, or as impactful as I believe I can be.

1730
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Speaker 1: So you are a yacht like a big So I

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01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: would say the yachts in the boats ain't my thing?

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01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 4: Like I would say materialist, Well, the island maybe more property.

1733
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 4: I would say, I'm not real big into material things,

1734
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 4: but I do think about I am starting to think

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01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 4: about how do I put back into my family. All

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01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 4: my family still live in poverty in Chicago. Ninety five

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01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 4: percent of my family is either still on Section eight

1738
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 4: living in poverty. And how do I help build wealth

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01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 4: for not only my family, but the people around me,

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01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 4: including the families that we serve. And that's why in

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01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 4: this workforce center, we built this this financial literacy program,

1742
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,959
Speaker 4: we built this entrepreneurship center. We want to teach kids,

1743
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 4: you know, how to become doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs. One of

1744
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 4: my kids just graduated from med school and now she's

1745
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 4: delivering babies.

1746
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 3: And when she.

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01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 4: Finished her residency, Chang chain And this was somebody that

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01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 4: was just in our program nine years ago. I didn't

1749
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 4: know what she wanted to do with her life. And

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01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 4: that's where her name is, doctor Mattiba Bojang. I'm very

1751
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 4: proud of her, young black woman, and I just can't

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01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 4: believe she graduated month and a half ago and she's

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01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 4: already delivered over forty some babies at our local hospital.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing powerful. Do you have any survivor's remorse?

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01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what do you mean by that?

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01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: Because who made it out the hood? And oh yeah,

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01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: still back there.

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01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 4: You know, I'm thankful man, because growing up there, I

1759
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 4: feel like I can handle anything. Like I've lived in

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01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 4: the gutter, I've seen the worst, and even though my

1761
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 4: neighborhood was very challenging, there was a lot of love

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01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 4: that too. In the buildings I grew up in. You

1763
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 4: can go borrow chicking off somebody table, You can borrow

1764
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 4: sugar kool aid. I don't know another neighborhood when you

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01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 4: go and knock on somebody door and say can I

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01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 4: borrow some butter and it was just that's how it

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01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 4: was in our neighborhood. And even though there was a

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01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 4: lot of drugs and prostitution and gain banging, there was

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01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 4: a sense of community there. So I'm proud, and I

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01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 4: think because I lived in that environment, I've been able

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01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 4: to in my new and well in my role at

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01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 4: Boys and Girls clubs. Because I have those lived experiences,

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01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:56,799
Speaker 4: it's made me a better CEO.

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01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 3: And it also keeps like there's this guy named Jackie

1775
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 3: Morris that dress like a pimp, and everybody will be like,

1776
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 3: why why do you hang out with him?

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01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 4: And you see him. He wears his big dab hats,

1778
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 4: he wears big shiny, glittery shoes, like he does look

1779
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 4: like a pimp. But I love Jackie so like, I

1780
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 4: have a fundraiser on Friday night, Jackie's gonna be at

1781
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,680
Speaker 4: my table with one of the biggest philanthropists in my community.

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01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 4: And I'm not embarrassed to hang out with Jackie because

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01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 4: Jackie keeps me grounded and when there's stuff going on

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01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 4: in the streets, he tells me, and so I keep

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01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 4: him close to me. And some people be like, I

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01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 4: just don't know why you do that, And when you.

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01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 4: Sometimes when people move up, they forget where they come from,

1788
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 4: they forget who like.

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Speaker 3: It's not you.

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01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 4: Sometimes you got to reach back. Jackie got out of prison.

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01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 4: Jackie came and worked with me on the project. Jackie

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01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 4: got out of prison eight years ago. He's been working

1793
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 4: every day and I helped him through a donor out

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01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 4: of Chicago, guy named Willie Wilson, help him purchase at

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01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 4: shop in downtown Madison. The same thing with my boy Goon.

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01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 4: His nickname was Goon's name now is Corey. He runs

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01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 4: the Black Man Coalition a Dane County. Spent ten years

1798
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 4: in the hole. Now he's a nonprofit leader that's also

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01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 4: raising millions. Corey introduced me to a donor that I

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01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 4: couldn't get to and she recently gave us a million dollars.

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01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 4: So I poured it to Corey and now Corey is

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01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 4: pouring back into me. And I just feel I just

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01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,560
Speaker 4: believe when you give back to other people, God to

1804
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 4: bless your work and give back to you.

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01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Thank God. Yeah, So, how can people support your

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01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: mission or get involved with what you got going on next?

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01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 4: I would encourage people. You know that My biggest thing

1809
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 4: coming up now I'll go to www dot bgc DC

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01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 4: dot org. That's the Boys and Girls Clubs at Dane

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01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 4: County website. If you want to learn a bit more

1812
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 4: about my book is m Johnson CEO dot com. We

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01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 4: fund raised on Friday where we're raising money for our

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01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 4: Youth of the Year event on Friday where there's a

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01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 4: competition some young person as an opportunity to win a

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01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 4: car to get a college scholarship. And it's a very

1817
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 4: big competition that we have here in Wisconsin. But my

1818
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 4: biggest one that's coming up is what we do over

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01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 4: the holidays. I want to raise it about two hundred

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01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 4: thousand dollars to refurbish somebody house, to give tips to

1821
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 4: restaurant workers, to help buy a car, to a family

1822
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 4: that's in need, and if you want to get down

1823
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 4: and you want to see it in real time, we

1824
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 4: raise the money and then we bless families in real time.

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01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 4: We're not one of these organizations where we raise the money.

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01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 4: So we're gonna sit on there for a year and

1827
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 4: decide people submit their applications. I don't make any of

1828
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 4: the decisions anymore because what comes with that when people

1829
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 4: say you raising that kind of money, Oh, you giving

1830
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 4: them money to his family, all his friends. So what

1831
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 4: I've did sometimes you got to listen to criticism and

1832
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 4: get out in front of it. So over the last

1833
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 4: seven years, I have a community group of business and

1834
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 4: civic and gracial community leaders that look at all these

1835
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 4: applications and then they tell me who to go get

1836
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 4: the money to.

1837
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 3: And that's how we roll.

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01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So that is b G C DC

1839
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 1: dot or go pay y'all ties, okay.

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01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 3: Ministry sometimes outside the walls of the church, right, So.

1841
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,520
Speaker 1: Yes, podcast is the ministry.

1842
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 3: The broadcast the ministry too. You're sharing the word.

1843
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 4: And in the marketplace, you know, here in the marketplace,

1844
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:31,679
Speaker 4: and uh and you having a little bit of fun

1845
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 4: with it.

1846
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Too, right, Thank you so much for joining us. This

1847
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 2: is really really good what AJ said. I found this

1848
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: amazing CEO from the Boys and Girls Club. I was like, girl,

1849
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 2: he about to be born as hell. But you thought.

1850
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,799
Speaker 1: You thought you was disconnected because you were sleeping.

1851
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 4: But I hope it says, I hope we stay in touch.

1852
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 4: I hope y'all come down the third. If y'all come

1853
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 4: down in July, I would let y'all interview all the celebrities.

1854
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 4: It's usually about seven to eight of them that we had,

1855
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 4: like a couple. I think we had Tate Diggs and

1856
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 4: I mean website.

1857
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 1: He's gonna come set up shop.

1858
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 3: Let's let's let y'all do y'all thing, all right, Gret,

1859
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: absolutely all right.

1860
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 2: We look forward to it.

1861
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 3: And then a j let me know. I'll agree to

1862
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 3: have free consultant services for you and your nonprofit friend,

1863
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 3: but if it goes beyond those two people, I might

1864
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 3: to charge you about five hundred dollar an hour.

1865
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 1: Ra I'm coming to ship.

1866
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.

1867
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: Listen. I don't mind paying for information. I give out

1868
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot of free information all the time, and I

1869
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: usually have had to pay for the information and I'm

1870
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: then given for free. So I don't mind, you know,

1871
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: investing in myself. But anyway, y'all, I'm not gonna charge you.

1872
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 3: But here's what I will say. I see about the book.

1873
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 3: I respect definitely about the book. I am the blueprint

1874
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 3: is there.

1875
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 4: Go to Amazon dot com and get it. Michael Johnson,

1876
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 4: I see the reading to pop right up and uh.

1877
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 4: And here's what I would say. If the book ain't good,

1878
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 4: I will fully refund you, because I know everybody I

1879
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 4: talk to they tell me they can't once they started

1880
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 4: one chapter, they can't stop. And it's real, it's authentic,

1881
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 4: it's raw. You really see a leadership book that talk

1882
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 4: about the adversities and a leader that's raising the type

1883
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 4: of resources I've raised in my career that comes from

1884
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 4: the projects, and it's really told. And so I know

1885
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 4: it's a phenomenal book and I believe it's gonna be

1886
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 4: a best seller. But I gotta get on podcasts like

1887
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 4: like y'all's to help us, help help us get the

1888
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 4: word out.

1889
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 2: I'm definitely because I feel like the subtitle could be

1890
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 2: real Nigga ceo.

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01:40:49,200 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 5: You know, iur paaraphrase.

1892
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 3: I am an authentic CEO from the streets.

1893
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 4: I have never left my ties as I've grown in

1894
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 4: my role, I just haven't. And there's there's not one

1895
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 4: place I feel There's no place in America I feel

1896
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 4: like I can't go, whether it's in the projects.

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01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:23,959
Speaker 3: Or in corporate America.

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01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 4: I'm comfortable in all those spaces because I've been in

1899
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 4: all those spaces and so but at the same time,

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01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 4: I've always tried to be my my authentic self. I

1901
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 4: was on this panel yesterday, I was telling people, don't

1902
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 4: fake it when you When you fake it in your job,

1903
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 4: that's acting and when you're acting, eventually the acting is

1904
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 4: going to wear off.

1905
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 3: Now, somebody asked me, do you co switch?

1906
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 4: I used to, but now like I used to have

1907
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 4: a stuttering problem, so I worked on that.

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01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 3: Right.

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01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 4: If there's things you know you need to be better at,

1910
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 4: you work at it. But don't be fake, don't be phony.

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01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 3: Be you.

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01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 4: And just like I'm talking to you all like you

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01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 4: talk to my guy Goon who runs the Black Men Collers.

1914
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 4: We played pokers with our donors. We play basketball.

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01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: We won't say that.

1916
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 2: Now.

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01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: You see what they're doing with the basketball players right now.

1918
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: They played poker, peanut play gamboo.

1919
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 3: We played for pizza and push ups, that's what That's

1920
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 3: what we played for.

1921
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 1: I had another pion there.

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01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, all right, that's what we got. That

1923
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 3: was hilarious. A single man that's in my life. They

1924
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:44,719
Speaker 3: would have loved that.

1925
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. The audacity to lead with Michael Johnson.

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01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: We do appreciate you for coming and we talked.

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01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 3: Back touch ladies, appreciate You'll stay right.

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01:42:57,800 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: There, y'all if you enjoyed this episode. Y'all tune and

1929
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 1: every Thursday on the Black Effect iHeart Radio app wherever

1930
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the fuck you get your podcast. That is your co

1931
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:08,600
Speaker 1: host A J Holiday two point zero on instagrams.

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01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,440
Speaker 2: Kick it Tam y'all, It's official Tam Bam on Instagram.

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01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 2: I love y'all so very much. Thank y'all for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Remember speak now.

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01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 1: And never holds no hell no We got you gotta

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01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,719
Speaker 1: relate to the show. You don't never hold our piece.

1937
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: We say whatever every time. Don't hold them donations, y'all

1938
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 1: go oh hold yes periods and support your local Boys

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01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: and Girls club deuces and never holds no hell no,

1940
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: We gotta. You gotta relate to the show. You don't

1941
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: never hold our piece. We say whatever every time. Don't

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01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 1: hold them donations, y'all go, oh hold yes periods and

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