WEBVTT - #525 Packers Unscripted: What will the Packers do? 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:15.480 Hi, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.200 Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.760 joined as always by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. Were 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.759 coming to you from our remote locations as we have 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.080 been for the last few weeks previewing the NFL Draft, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.440 and this will be our last episode previewing the draft, West, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:38.880 because the NFL Draft is almost here. Man, boy, do 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.800 we needed to get here too? Right? I mean, the 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.080 thing that's funny where you you do this intro where 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.239 you mentioned the social distancing. This is just the way 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.120 it is right now. I mean, it's not the addition. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.480 It's like, um, you ever did you watch You probably 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.279 were a little too old for Saved by the Bell. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.600 I'm guessing right, and I'm aware of it. Saved by 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.760 the Bell they did like the summer session where they 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.160 like went off and they were all working at like 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.600 a resort. It isn't the traditionals. That's what this kind 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.960 of feels like right now. It's not our typical season. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.720 It's like a special, like an after school special that 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.119 we've been doing here now for three weeks. Yeah, it's 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.160 starting to feel a little bit more normal. But I 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.280 guess we'll just we'll keep on keeping on, as we 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.160 like to say. Well, with this being our final draft 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.600 preview edition before, we will actually have some Green Bay 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.720 Packers draft picks to talk about. West, I promised you 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.200 at the end of last show I was going to 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.480 throw out some of the hypotheticals, the questions we've been 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.119 getting from fans over the last several weeks, and insider 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.640 inbox we'll share our opinions on some of them. So 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.319 I'm just gonna start with this one, pretty straightforward. Packers 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.880 are sitting at number thirty in the first round. Do 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.480 you think they sit and pick? Trade up or trade down? 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.640 What do you think come Thursday night. So I was 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.080 talking with my dog about this the other day and 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.680 I was sort of mentioning, like, okay, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.560 in here. Yeah. No, But I was I was really 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.960 thinking long and hard about this, and the way I 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.720 ended up breaking it down is I think there's a 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.360 fifty chance they move up, a thirty percent chance they 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.079 move back in, a chance they stay and pick at thirty. Now, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.280 it depends on which way you look at this thing. Right, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.680 certain strain of thought school thought I'm you know, I'm 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.720 a I'm a historian. I only I know what I 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.880 know based on what has happened in the past, and 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.840 Brian Goodacuntz has moved around a lot in the first 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.400 round these past two years. So that's why I put it. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.720 I also wonder, well, are they due to pick at 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.200 thirty Well, if that's the case, are they due to 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.400 traff you know, trade out of the first round? So 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.000 all these different scenarios around the table. I've said this 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.440 all along. One of the great things about Brian Goodacuts 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.200 the general manager. You have no idea what he's doing. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.079 I think, do I think the Packers are going to 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.920 take a quarterback in the first round. No, but he's 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.840 not gonna go out there and say that to everybody. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.280 He wants everyone to think, all right, he will do 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.360 what he feels is best. And you can if you're 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.720 number thirty one, your number thirty two, you're the first 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.679 pick in the second day, you can be confident that, Okay, well, 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.040 this is what Brian Goodacuntz is gonna do. I think 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.600 there's a lot to be said for that. Now that 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.200 being said, in these mock drafts I've been doing, I 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.440 haven't been trying to work trades that aren't gonna happen. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.160 I have been picking at thirty, and in the three 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.760 simulations I've done, all three of them had a nice 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.799 crop of prospects available there. So that makes it conceivable 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.079 the packers could pick at thirty. It also makes it 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.440 conceivable that they could trade back a little bit and 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.960 try to get some more value. The reason though, Mike 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.959 that I said the thing, I do wonder if there's 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.000 a prospect, if there's a Darnell Savage, if there's a 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.920 JayR Alexander that Brian Goodacounts loves, does he pull the 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.120 trigger to go up and get that guy. See that's 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.680 interesting because your percentages, you put the greatest percentage on 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.320 Goodakoons trading up from thirty, and out of the three options, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.800 I actually think that that's the least likely. Not because 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.880 certainly Goodacounts has proven he will move around the board 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.920 and and I don't I don't discount that at all, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.080 but just because the draft capital the packers have, it 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.760 just seems to me that would be really really costly 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.040 as far as what they would lose, whether it's a 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.400 second round pick, a third round pick, in order to 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.800 move up from that thirty spot that I put trading 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.720 up as the least likely, I think trading down actually 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.760 is the most likely. Um, well, I don't know. I don't, 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.920 I don't. I'm not gonna put my percentages on I'll 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.240 leave that too, I'll leave that to you. But no, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.120 I if I were to, if I were to say 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.240 the most likely thing, I think it's going to be 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.440 a trade down. I think the packers board might look 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.680 pretty strong at number thirty, where if he can find 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.799 a trade partner at thirty four, thirty five, thirty six, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.360 something like that, and pick up an extra, say an 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.040 extra fourth round pick for an early pick on Saturday, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.719 and then still be able to get a guy in 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.400 the mid thirties that he really really likes. That that's 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.919 something that I see as as as being pretty likely. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.680 But as you said, West, we don't know what Brian 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.719 Goodakoins is going to do. I mean, heck, before he 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.760 made his first draft pick as general Andrew, he made 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.440 two trades. He was at fourteen and he traded back 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.920 to then he traded up to eighteen and took Alexander. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.359 So anything and everything is on the table here for 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.160 that pick at number thirty, So you're ready, you're ready 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.159 for question number two? I am. I just want to 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.480 tell a quick little story. Go back to two years 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.080 ago when they took JR. Alexander. I use that if 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.360 if you the Green Bay, you know, media were allowed 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.359 to go up when we are at lambeau Field and 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.360 go get some food as soon as good concentrated out 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.720 of fourteen. I was going upstairs to grab a taco 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.159 and then certainly, you know, a couple of minutes later 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.200 then or whatever it was, ten twenty minutes later, I 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.159 got the notice, hey, they're moving back up to eighteen. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.520 And for that reason, if you're at home you have 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.560 tacos on the stove, be careful going and getting them 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.560 because you don't know whether or not the Packers are 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.880 going to make a move. Yeah, alrighty, al right, next question, Wes. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.760 We've heard a lot about the Packers the need for 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.360 inside linebacker. It's pretty clear cut that once you get 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.520 past ice As Simmons, who's going to be drafted in 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.960 the top ten somewhere, maybe even as high as third 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.640 overall to the Lions. I wouldn't put that past Detroit 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.080 by any stretch there. The next two bested inside linebacker 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.480 Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen. Murray from Oklahoma, Queen from 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.360 l s U. Now, there's a really good chance both 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.640 of those guys will be gone by number thirty. But 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.280 the hypothetical is, if both of those guys are there 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.440 at number thirty, and those are the best guys on 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.760 your board, if you're Brian Goodakunst, which one do you take? Okay, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.880 So that's a really good question. I would probably take 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.960 Kenneth Murray just because I think he's a little bit 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.680 Now trust me here, I understand there's boom er Bus 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.080 prospects to both of these guys, but with Murray, I 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.520 just think there's a little bit more Hay in the barn. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.359 I think you have a little bit more better of 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.000 an idea of how he's going to project at the 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.680 next level. Patrick Queen could be the best inside linebacker 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.360 of this group, though, and I include you know Simmons 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.480 in that, who had an exceptional uh combine, But you just, 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.159 you know, I don't think there's his many as much 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.360 information out there as there is with Murray, who has 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.279 been a day one starter for the Sooners and and 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.039 made such a huge impact over the years and certainly uh, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.200 you know, as a guy that I think probably won't 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.200 be there at thirty, but if the Packers would want 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.080 to trade up, you know, potentially could be there in 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.280 the twenties. For that reason, I'm saying Murray. But Mike, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:19.960 I've said this all along. I go back to two 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.360 thousand fourteen. I look at this as Shasy or Mosley. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.120 I don't think you can go wrong with either one 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.160 of those guys. I think both of them are going 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.120 to be exceptional pros. Yeah, I think so too. It 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.400 it feels like you can't go wrong with either one. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.480 And I will also say that, as I have said 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.560 an insider inbox, I don't think either one of these 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.520 guys is going to be there at thirty. I think 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.720 they will both be drafted before the Packers are on 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.040 the clock at thirty. But I'm with you. I think 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.200 I leaned toward Murray just because of the experience factor. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.880 You have more to go on. Queen is a little 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.040 bit more of a projection in terms of what type 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.960 of pro he'll be. That's the funny thing, though, West. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.760 As much as it feels like you can't go wrong 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.120 with either one of these guys, there's a pretty good 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.960 chance based on draft history, that one of these guys 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.360 won't work out. So, um, you know, if you if 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.960 you are faced whatever team, whether it's the Packers or 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.640 someone else, who is in the market for a player 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.080 like that, which if you're faced with that decision, it's 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.320 still kind of a fifty fifty call because there's a 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.640 there there's a chance that one of these guys, for 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.320 one reason or another, could be injuries, could be anything else, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.640 doesn't end up working out. So yeah, yeah, and I 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.600 can't I would love to be able to ask Brian 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.320 Good this question. I don't think you can because it's 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.120 just too difficult in terms of getting an honest answer. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.800 But there was that report. I wish I could source 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.400 the correct outlet that had it, but basically made the 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:43.240 uh analogy drew the conclusion that for you know, whether 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.200 you use a first round pick on inside lineback or 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.319 a middle round pick, there really ends up being basically 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.720 the same coin flip at that position of what that 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.360 player is going to turn into an inside linebacker. It's 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.840 a very difficult spot to project because yes, it's one 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.720 thing to have the football i Q, but you have 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.160 to have the athleticism in two thousand twenty as well 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.640 to be on the field all three downs. You see 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.120 that with Murray and Queen, and that's the reason why 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.400 we are talking about them as being those potential first 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.840 round picks. Yeah, alright, My next question for you doesn't 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.640 involve specific names of picks, but as far as positions. Okay, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.040 you're Brian Goodakoons, You're sitting at thirty to pick, and 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.440 when you are on the clock, the best players on 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.200 your board are an offensive lineman and a defensive lineman, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.040 and you have them pretty much rated the same. Which 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.360 direction do you go? Probably gonna go the defensive line route, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.160 because I think if you look the way that they're 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.640 built right now and how they're playing defense with Mike Petton, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.720 the front is so important not only to stopping the run, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.760 but you know, they look for penetration. They look for 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.319 guys to get up and and get after the quarterback 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.120 from those interior one and three technique defensive tackles. So 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.240 that's probably the way way I'm leaning. I also think 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.360 that when you look at what happened with Kenny Clark 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.360 four years ago, they were able to get a young prospect. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.520 They're a hungry prospect, a guy that had a lot 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.040 of upside but was still only twenty years old at 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.360 that time, and you've seen the player that Kenny Clark 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.040 has become. I want to see them be able as 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.920 as we talked about in our draft preview of position preview, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.160 I want to see them be able to use him more, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.240 not situationally because he's an every down player, but be 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.079 able to kind of pinpoint different areas where you want 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.319 to have Kenny Clark on the field. I think getting 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.240 a defensive tackle does that. I believe as it stands 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.080 right now, Ryan Wagner or excuse me, Ricky Wagner, is 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.599 is enough there to be able to hold down the 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.640 Ford at right tackle as it stands for me, you're 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.000 asking me that question, same player. I look at defensive 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:37.880 line because that's where they put the assets and the 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.720 resources in the past. Yeah, I agree with you. I 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.040 think if that is ultimately the decision, Brian Goodakounts is 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.720 making it thirty I I think he'd be inclined to 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.240 go defensive lineman over offensive lineman for a lot of 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.320 the reasons that you said, and and as I've stressed, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.920 this draft is not about figuring out how to beat 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.400 the San Francisco forty Niners. But the achilles heel of 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.000 this Packer his team a year ago was the run defense. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.240 And I think, I think, if you have a chance, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.000 as I've continued to say all offseason, if you have 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.360 a chance to get the next Kenny Clark at number thirty, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.000 similar to how the Packers got Clark at twenty six 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.679 four years ago, I just don't think you can pass 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.320 if you feel that way about that player. I just 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.640 don't think you can pass that up. For this defense 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.280 and the long term potential that you would have, assuming 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.079 you can resign Kenny Clark, you know, get him signed 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.319 to an extension for the long term, and then to 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.280 have uh, you know, a first round draft pick joining 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.000 him side by side, potentially on that defensive line for 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.400 several years to come. I think that's something that would 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.880 be really really hard to pass up. Yeah, I agree, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.679 and and and I just think of being able to 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.839 get another type of player caliber athlete like Clark, a 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.240 first round you know, pedigree would be really valuable for 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:51.920 them to have two of those guys that could play 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.560 three tech, uh, you know, get him in the nickel packages, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.600 get him in some of the dying packages or rotate 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.920 them there. That would be really valuable right now, and 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.920 that's where the money's at right now, Mike. You see 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.679 it across the league, Aaron Donald thing. That is for real, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.920 teams are no longer just looking for the edge rusher. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.960 They're looking for a defensive tackle that can collapse the pocket. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.480 They got one of them with Kenny Clark. I think 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.560 a second one could really do wonders for that defense 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.560 as well. All right, A lot of talk obviously all 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.840 offseason about the wide receiver position. Where do you think 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.120 in this draft? And Brian Goodacuns, he said it after 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.000 the NFC Championship game he's looking to add at receiver. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.800 He did add Devin Functious. I think he's clearly going 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.120 to add at wide receiver in this draft, maybe with 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.280 multiple picks. But my question for you right now is 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.240 where do you see the Packers picking a wide receiver. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.240 Do you think they'll pick one at thirty Do you 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:41.920 think it will be the end of the second round 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.160 when their pick comes up at the end of the 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.120 third round, When do you think Brian Goodacuns ends up 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.960 choosing a wide receiver for the first time in this draft? 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.440 I think second round, I think they go back to 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.000 the well. I think they go back to what has 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.680 served them in the past, and and that has been 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:01.040 finding really legitimate, high level caliber receivers in the second 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.680 round Randall Cobb, Greg Jennings, and now certainly you look 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.160 at Jordy Nelson, what he did in two thousand and 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.800 eight and now the franchise. Davante Adams. I think you 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.000 need no matter how this shakes out, Mike, I think 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.679 you need to use one in the first three rounds. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.760 The Packers have drafted a lot of receivers the last 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.240 few years, a lot of them. On Day three. I 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.000 would love to see them be able to bring in 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.640 a guy. And as I've said all along, my whole 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.120 thing is I'm not expecting them, especially in this climate, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.920 to come in and just set the world on fire 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.320 as rookies. But I want to get a young guy 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.760 with really high upside and ceiling in that receiver's room 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.360 with Davante Adams. Davante Adams is the best resource a 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.319 young receiver can have right now in the National Football League. 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.840 He he knows what it's like to come up. He's 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.760 worked with some tremendous veterans before. He's willing and open 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.960 with his information and ability to help. And and the 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.400 other thing is too that's great about it. You can 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.839 find any franchise All Pro Pro Bowl receiver in this league. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.959 I mean this, Davante Adams is about his humble is 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.040 a guys you're gonna find that is a legitimate superstar 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.319 now at his position he is. You ask any of 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:09.920 these guys not on the record, you can ask any 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.760 of them off the record how open he is. That's 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.360 why I think if you can get a guy in 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.720 there that's a first or second round talent and have 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.280 Adams showed them the way and show them how this 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.200 offense works with Aaron rodgers Man, that would be incredible 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.600 for that players upside in the future. Yeah, I I 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.680 will say I agree with you for the most part. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.360 I think the most likely is maybe the second round pick. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.360 But I'll throw a couple of caveats in there. If 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.520 my first prediction comes true that Brian Goodakun's trades back 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.480 from thirty to somewhere in the mid to late thirties, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.200 I could see him you I could see him picking 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.200 a wide receiver at the top of the second round 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.840 because that's right where the Packers got Jordy Nelson back 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.360 in two thousand and eight when Ted Thompson traded back 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.760 from thirty to thirty six. So while I don't think 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.880 the Packers will necessarily use their thirty pick on a 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.680 wide receiver, if that trade back into the top half 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.320 of the second round happens, I could see it there. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.760 The other thing I will say is that because of 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.720 the depth of the receiver position in this draft class, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.240 which we've been hearing about a lot in this entire 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.760 pre draft process from even before the Combine, through the Combine, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.640 and all the way up until now, the Packers pick 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.760 at the end of the third round, it wouldn't surprise 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.000 me if that becomes the first pick at wide receiver, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.840 because you might be able to get a guy there 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.240 who would be similar to a guy that you would 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.440 get at the end of the second round in another year, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.480 and maybe the first round pick. The second round pick 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.960 is the focus on the big guys, an offensive lineman, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.720 defensive lineman, for example, if those guys are there, and 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.840 then the wide receiver becomes the pick at the end 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.840 of the third round because of the depth at the position. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.960 So I think just because this year is such a 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.720 unique year in terms of wide receiver as far as 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.400 what the analysts are saying. That's where as much as 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.440 Brian Gudkins has talked about since the end of the 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:00.360 season in adding at the wide receiver position, he may 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.160 wait until very very late on Friday night before he 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.720 actually does so in this draft. Yeah, and I wouldn't 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.800 have an issue with that whatsoever. The other thing, just 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.840 to be the devil's advocate here, you could also make 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.800 a case for that first round pick the first time 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.600 in eighteen years using a first round pick. This is 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.240 an incredibly deep draft or receiver talent, so you're gonna 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.680 be able to get the pick of the litter in 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.200 terms of what type of guy you want and taking 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.320 them at that number thirty spot into One of the 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.960 reasons why the Packers always went second round and more 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.600 recently went late rounds with receivers is because of how 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.960 deep they were at that position. Not to say that 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.360 they're not deep right now, but they don't have those 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.520 proven assets like they did in the past, when you 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.040 knew every single summer it was gonna be Jordy Nelson, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.560 Randall Cobb, Davante Adams or James Jones that that it's 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.360 a little bit more wide open now. So if you 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.000 do want to actually, as you were talking about in 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.040 our intro here, bring in a guy to add to 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.560 that room in that competition, the best way to get 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.880 a top end prospect is to use that first round pick. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.600 Could be the first time in eighteen years where the 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.280 Packers would look for a skill position player to take. Yeah, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.520 when you look at the three receivers that were added 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.600 a couple of years ago, that was still when you 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.240 had Davante Adams and Randall Cobb as your one to 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.640 the Packers don't have that right now. So that that's 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.720 where again I think the equation is a little bit 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.760 different at wide receiver in terms of how they're looking 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.679 at it now versus maybe in some past years. Okay, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.800 one more I'm gonna throw at your West will wrap 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.879 up on this one. The Packers are entering this draft 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.800 with ten selections, one in each of the first five 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.480 rounds and then five over the sixth and seventh rounds. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.040 How many selections do you think the Packers will actually 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.639 make when this is all said and done at the 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.040 end of the weekend. Yeah, seventeen. Mike I'm gonna go 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.719 at seventeen. Just just make your life complicated, you know, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.960 I'm gonna go with nine. I knew this question. We 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.320 we did not talk about this. This show is unscripted, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.480 but I knew this question was coming. I'm gonna say 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.760 nine because I think more than any other year, those 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.360 six and seventh rounders are going to be valuable. Uh 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.760 It not necessarily in terms of like, Okay, you want 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.400 to of it them and get as many as possible, 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.879 but you're probably not off floading them the way they 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.360 did in the past and throwing them in different trade packages. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.760 So I see them making those five picks in the 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.919 final two rounds. So I'm leaving myself on some leeway 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.920 there for them to move up at some point, whether 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.359 it's first round or second round, third round, you know, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.520 maybe taking one of those either the fourth or the 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.040 fifth and moving around a little bit. But I'm gonna 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.880 go with nine. I say they do make some kind 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.960 of trade over the three days, and they throw a 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.280 pick in there to make it happen. Well, I had 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.080 this question in this Mornings Inside or Inbox, which you 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.680 probably haven't read yet, because I know you were dealing 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.159 with your dog and all of his barking before we 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.080 turned on the cameras today. But I actually said an 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.760 insider inbox, my guests would be nine, and I said, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.199 it's a total guess. I really don't know. But what 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.600 I want you don't you're not sure. What I will 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.359