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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: David Barretto with us. This is his first time on

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Speaker 2: the program. He is a writer and researcher on spiritual

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Speaker 2: subjects right down our line. He has studied astrophysics through

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Speaker 2: the Australian National University, in religious literacy through Harvard University.

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Speaker 2: The author of Supernatural Science, David lives in London, England.

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Speaker 2: He's in Asia right now working on the documentary and

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Speaker 2: his latest work is called Karma and Reincarnation in the

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Speaker 2: Animal Kingdom, which we'll talk about tonight as well. David,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Looking forward to chatting with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, George, Thank you for having me. I'm quite

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Speaker 3: glad to be here, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Thank how's the weather out your way?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's good, Actually, it's quite funny. I think that

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Speaker 3: the web's quite christy as well, so it's not as

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Speaker 3: hot as it was a couple of months ago. What's

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Speaker 3: really unbearable.

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Speaker 2: It's been a strange year for people, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: David, Yeah, I think every where really in the world.

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Speaker 3: I think that we're going through some things, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's just you know, hot and for everybody. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to say, honestly, because I think

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Speaker 3: that we're just seeing all of these changes happening and

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Speaker 3: we're just not doing anything because we think that you know,

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Speaker 3: it's somebody else's you know, fault.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely. Back in twenty nineteen, you wrote an

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Speaker 2: incredible book called The Supernatural Science, among the number of

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Speaker 2: books that you have out. Let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about that, and then we'll get into the karma and

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Speaker 2: reincarnation in the Animal Kingdom you investigated which you investigated

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Speaker 2: witchcraft under this first book, didn't you?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I did. So I've always been into occultism and

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Speaker 3: witchcraft in terms of research and in terms of really curiosity.

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Speaker 3: So although I've always been extremely fond of and you know,

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Speaker 3: all of these subjects, I was always very skeptical. So

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Speaker 3: I need proof or I need to know how does

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Speaker 3: those things work. So let's say that we are talking

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Speaker 3: about witchcraft sales, right, or incantation or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I want to know if it's true, fair enough, but

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Speaker 3: I also want to know that if it's true, what

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Speaker 3: is the power behind that what is the energy behind that?

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Speaker 3: If we can understand the energy behind what if that

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Speaker 3: made us? What kind of force is that? Can we

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Speaker 3: explain that through a scientific view of the whole subject.

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Speaker 3: So then I started, you know, doing obviously my research,

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Speaker 3: but then it wasn't enough because research I was I

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Speaker 3: was sharing was you know, through obviously literature, so I

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Speaker 3: was going through books and also I was going through

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Speaker 3: you know, different groups and temples to try and you

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Speaker 3: know understand, and obviously that was particularly important for me.

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Speaker 3: But then I was I need to study something scientific

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Speaker 3: as in you know, cosmology and you know astrophysics or

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Speaker 3: and then maybe get some information and proper explanation for

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Speaker 3: what I was researching. Obviously, after you know, studying and

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Speaker 3: doing research for my for myself, just for curiosity, I

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Speaker 3: was like, look, I found out somethings and now there's

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Speaker 3: a way to explain things differently, So I want to

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Speaker 3: share that with other people. So then it's when I

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Speaker 3: started writing The Supernatural Science. So obviously I talked about witchcraft, spells,

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Speaker 3: and you know, we do all of those things that

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Speaker 3: we hear about, but we don't know how the mechanic

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Speaker 3: of the you know, topic goals. But I also talked

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Speaker 3: what are they made of? Because you know, if we're

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Speaker 3: And all the people aren't. So I think they're assessing

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Speaker 3: the whole information through esoteric and religious literature, but also

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Speaker 3: trying to see the science behind it. Engridging that both

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Speaker 3: of them, then we can get a proper explanation. When

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Speaker 3: I mean the science behind these things, or a scientific explanation,

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily mean going to a land or you know,

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Speaker 3: regardless of their beliefs in the extra physical or in

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Speaker 3: the supernatural. So up bridging this is so important. So

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Speaker 3: that book obviously the research that you know, as we said,

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Speaker 3: So explaining how they work, and not just describing that mechanesiums,

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Speaker 3: I dissect all of these topics and also spirit guides

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Speaker 3: that book kind of comprehends all of these subjects that

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Speaker 3: I think that that was very important for, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, you touched on a lot of subjects in the

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Speaker 2: book The Supernatural Science. Did you in your investigation, David,

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Speaker 2: did you get convinced that the ghost world is real,

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Speaker 2: that it exists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely exists, but you know, it's not how

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Speaker 3: people most people, I guess think it is. First of all,

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Speaker 3: ghosts they are basically not spirits. So when we're talking

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Speaker 3: I'm not only talking about you know, my research as

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Speaker 3: you know, in the astroplane. So a ghost is not

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Speaker 3: a product or something they create. Right, if you are

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Speaker 3: and you see a ghost, then what you're seeing is

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Speaker 3: that also tells me that if you are a clairvoyant.

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Speaker 3: So that's why some people see ghosts and some others don't.

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Speaker 2: Now, when when somebody's father, like David, when somebody's parent dies,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so most of them, it depends on how long

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Speaker 3: actually not seeing the real spirits there. They are seeing

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Speaker 3: their own thought forms, or more regrettably, as spirits another

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Speaker 3: if you see them right. Obviously, it depends on the situation.

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Speaker 3: if you are feeling anxious, or if there was you

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Speaker 3: probably not them. But if you were just you know,

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Speaker 3: likely it was them. Given that you are a clair

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Speaker 3: because if if you cannot do that, they don't have

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about vibration. Really, they are not allowed to

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Speaker 3: So that's I'm saying. When you see someone, it's likely

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Speaker 3: and even if you don't know about that, but you're

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Speaker 3: serious about things and they show up and they say something.

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Speaker 3: If they show up in a dream, probably you had

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Speaker 2: We're talking with David Barreto is book is called The

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Speaker 2: Supernatural Science. At the half we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: his other book called Karma and Reincarnation in the Animal Kingdom.

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Speaker 2: His website is his name linked up at coast tocoastdam

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Speaker 2: dot com. Where does the angelic realm fit in with

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Speaker 2: this statement? What do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Why? Okay, So we need to understand that you know,

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Speaker 3: evolution right, as in spiritual evolution, and it is happening

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Speaker 3: everywhere in the universe in every plane if you may

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Speaker 3: dimension right. So we have, for example, in this planet

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Speaker 3: have impact and animals and people, but we also have

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Speaker 3: in the universe, right, we have all the beings who

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Speaker 3: So that's how we you know, divine things, right, when

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Speaker 3: then there we are going to find lots of you know,

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Speaker 3: beings from different hierarchies. Really, however, angels will not be

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Speaker 3: in the actual realm. There will be in the divine realm,

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Speaker 3: in those realms, it's because they don't need to learn

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Speaker 3: angels for some reason. One example of angels, right, and

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Speaker 3: I don't want to undermind this being is genius, right,

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Speaker 3: The genius is, as we know here on Earth, one

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Speaker 3: of the most important beings, right Why because he's not

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Speaker 3: in uh, in the in the stage of learning anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's not in the stage of going through.

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Speaker 2: Anymore perfection already right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, giving quite ahead you know in the game

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Speaker 3: de solatism. Actually, so when we're talking about angels, we

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Speaker 3: are talking about beings that were created like we were.

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Speaker 3: They were created in a primitive manner. They were primitive,

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Speaker 3: fruitally and that's where they are today. So, for example,

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Speaker 3: it's not that they are important, it's that they acquired

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Speaker 3: the merits to be who they are. Right. We call

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Speaker 3: the ones below them who are still learning. But they

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Speaker 3: are beings that some times will not present any form

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Speaker 3: you don't remember, you don't depend on forms. So everything

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Speaker 3: occurs through ideas, through spots. So those beings are there.

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Speaker 3: there are different frequencies right there are where the nichious

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Speaker 3: spirits go to momentarily, right, and you know you have

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Speaker 3: the hierarchy goes and arviously, for example, I personally am

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