Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Friday, June sixth, the fourth
Speaker 1: week of testimony wrapping up today in the Diddy trial,
Speaker 1: and Day seventeen was full of headline making moments, including
Speaker 1: testimony from one highly anticipated witness and as the judge
Speaker 1: threatened to kick Ditty out of his own trial. All
Speaker 1: that happened on day seventeen. Welcome, folks to this episode
Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Rose. Did it happen again that
Speaker 1: every day we think all we've heard it all in
Speaker 1: something else?
Speaker 2: Cone I was actually chuckling to myself as you were saying,
Speaker 2: another headline making day, because it's just been what's happened.
Speaker 2: Even though you have witnesses getting up on the stand
Speaker 2: and telling similar stories, there are always new, twisted, horrific
Speaker 2: details that you couldn't imagine having actually taken place, and
Speaker 2: yet you're hearing a new twist, a new turn, a
Speaker 2: new disturbing image is in your mind and in your head,
Speaker 2: and wow, yesterday was exceptional.
Speaker 1: So we're going to take you through the latest full
Speaker 1: day of testimony. Of course, today is Friday, June sixth.
Speaker 1: As we are recording this, they're just going to be
Speaker 1: getting back to court in a little bit before we
Speaker 1: expected another full day of on the stand. The Jane
Speaker 1: woman who is testifying under that pseudonym to protect her identity.
Speaker 1: She's expected to be on the stand today and maybe
Speaker 1: even a couple of days into next week. Brionna Bongalum
Speaker 1: was on the stand yesterday as well. She is the
Speaker 1: one who was dangled over the balcony allegedly by Ditty
Speaker 1: and then Enriquet Santos, who testified about some technical stuff
Speaker 1: having to do with text messages but robes. It was
Speaker 1: before we even get to testimony. There was a moment
Speaker 1: in court that the judge got pissed. And this is
Speaker 1: a major no no by Ditty.
Speaker 2: It's kind of I guess you hear about his belief
Speaker 2: that he is, according to the witnesses, a king, a god,
Speaker 2: a devil, whatever you want to believe, but something certainly
Speaker 2: above everyone else. And so perhaps it shouldn't be surprising
Speaker 2: that he didn't consider what the very strict rules are
Speaker 2: in a courtroom. If you are the defendant, you cannot
Speaker 2: make eye contact with jurors, let alone signal to them
Speaker 2: or make any sort of attempt at communication with them.
Speaker 2: And it seems like that's exactly what Diddy was doing
Speaker 2: not once but twice during court yesterday, right in front
Speaker 2: of the judge.
Speaker 1: Well fairly everybody, But again, this is as strict of
Speaker 1: a no no as you can get. You see stuff
Speaker 1: like this in movies, defendants, right, mobsters or something, the
Speaker 1: criminals interacting, sometimes flirting, even with one of the female jurors. No, no,
Speaker 1: that does not have in real life, except for it did.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to happen. Now. I don't know what
Speaker 1: didd he was doing here, but the judge caught this
Speaker 1: both times. On one occasion he looked over and was
Speaker 1: shaking his head, maybe at one particular juror, and then
Speaker 1: he did it a second time. The judge everything, and
Speaker 1: according to at least this reporter robes in the room
Speaker 1: as a play by play at the exact quote of
Speaker 1: what the judge said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what the judge told Diddy yesterday, And you
Speaker 2: could tell he was pissed. I could not have been clearer.
Speaker 2: There was a line of questioning where your client was
Speaker 2: nodding vigorously and looking at the jury. And there was
Speaker 2: a subsequent moment we had a sidebar and I looked
Speaker 2: and I saw your client looking at the jury and
Speaker 2: nodding aggressively. This is absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 1: And that was the warning he said, if I see
Speaker 1: it one more time, he's out of here. That was
Speaker 1: not as nothing else, if I see it at all.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering based on that admonishment and him saying, if
Speaker 2: I see you one more time, I'm throwing you out,
Speaker 2: if that could ultimately be if there's somehow a hung
Speaker 2: jury or sorry, a not guilty verdict, if there could
Speaker 2: be some argument by the prosecution that he tainted the
Speaker 2: jury pool, or that he did something to influence the jury,
Speaker 2: and they could question the decision based on his actions.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that ahead, like, just in case he's
Speaker 2: found not guilty, could the prosecutors come back and say
Speaker 2: this trial is no good, no bueno?
Speaker 1: But is that point blank double jeopardy And they're just
Speaker 1: not allowed to do that. They're not allowed to come
Speaker 1: back and say, we messed up by allowing you to
Speaker 1: do something right. That's diddy. You can shut it down
Speaker 1: right now if you want to, and start this whole
Speaker 1: thing over. But they didn't do that.
Speaker 2: The prosecution would have to file like grounds for a mistrial,
Speaker 2: you have to do it right now, and they don't
Speaker 2: want to start over I imagine.
Speaker 1: Sweetheart, we can't start over it.
Speaker 2: But that is so bold and so brazen. I don't
Speaker 2: think I have ever reported on that. We've covered a
Speaker 2: lot of trials in our several decades of journalism, I
Speaker 2: don't think i've I know that I have never reported
Speaker 2: that I have seen that or that has been something
Speaker 2: that happened in a corporate What was.
Speaker 1: He doing to be doing it aggressively? He knew everybody
Speaker 1: who was going to see that.
Speaker 2: He thinks he's God. Apparently.
Speaker 1: I don't know what a signal would that even be
Speaker 1: making to a jury.
Speaker 2: He was I can't tell if he was nodding in
Speaker 2: a gri agreement or nodding in disagreement, but whatever it was,
Speaker 2: he had a strong reaction to whatever was being said,
Speaker 2: and he wanted the juror. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: he's maybe trying to make that one on one connection
Speaker 2: with the juror, like, hey see, like we're feeling each other.
Speaker 2: He did that with all, according to the witnesses, with
Speaker 2: these women, he charming bomb like that's for a better
Speaker 2: lack of a better term, he loved b on them.
Speaker 2: He made them feel there was a special connection between them,
Speaker 2: and then he started to control and manipulate them. It
Speaker 2: sounds like that might be a smaller version he's working
Speaker 2: the germs.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, But that was a huge, huge moment. And
Speaker 1: I guess I mean, I actually didn't should have looked
Speaker 1: this up ahead of time. What happens if they had
Speaker 1: to take him out of the court, his trial goes
Speaker 1: on without him? Yes, right, that's he didn't say how
Speaker 1: long he would take him out or how long he'd
Speaker 1: punish him, but he's absolutely said it it happens again,
Speaker 1: he will kick him out. That was a big moment.
Speaker 1: The other huge moment Robes was from Brianna Bonglin, and
Speaker 1: the defense has been going at her on cross exams
Speaker 1: Nation and kind of picking her apart on her memory
Speaker 1: of that incident in twenty sixteen when she says, did
Speaker 1: he dangled her over the seventeenth floor balcony at Cassivent
Speaker 1: Refines apartment? Look, that was eight years ago. She admitted
Speaker 1: she was on drugs a lot at the time, and
Speaker 1: she was high at the time of the incident. So
Speaker 1: they've been able to pick it apart about some small discrepancy.
Speaker 2: Was she smoking marijuana or was she smoking a cigarette,
Speaker 2: was she in her bed or was she standing up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yesterday, though Robes, This was a huge discrepancy,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a big how did they miss
Speaker 1: that moment for the prosecution.
Speaker 2: Right, So she gave a very specific date, September twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, when she says this balcony incident happened in
Speaker 2: La Well, the defense attorneys were able to literally bring
Speaker 2: hotel receipts. I got the receipts, like they really had
Speaker 2: a receipt. It wasn't just a euphemism, like they actually
Speaker 2: physically had a receipt, a hotel receipt that showed that
Speaker 2: Ditty was in New York and not just on that day,
Speaker 2: but in the days, several days before and several days
Speaker 2: after she said this incident happens.
Speaker 1: So even if she's off a day or two, he's
Speaker 1: still covered.
Speaker 2: She would have to be off a week or a.
Speaker 1: Month or the year or something. But it does not
Speaker 1: match up. That date does not match up at all.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to your point that prosecutors would not have
Speaker 2: verified if she was giving a specific date, which I
Speaker 2: didn't even realize. She had a very specific date and Look,
Speaker 2: I'll give her this grace that you asked me to
Speaker 2: remember where I was on a specific date or when
Speaker 2: something specific happened, even if it was traumatic, I would
Speaker 2: have to go back and look in my photos or
Speaker 2: in my email or something to try and say, wait,
Speaker 2: when was that exactly to pinpoint it. So, I don't
Speaker 2: know how that date came about.
Speaker 1: The day you were almost thrown to your death from
Speaker 1: a seventeenth floor balcony by one of the most powerful
Speaker 1: media moguls on the planet. You think you remember that day.
Speaker 2: I do think so. But however, if I were taking cocaine,
Speaker 2: in ecstasy, in marijuana, it might all be a little
Speaker 2: fuzzy that period of time where she said there was
Speaker 2: heavy drug use. You might lose track of when happened,
Speaker 2: what happened when. You might not forget what happened, but
Speaker 2: you might forget some of the details. I'm just giving
Speaker 2: her that space. But for them to be that specific
Speaker 2: with the date is risky as hell if they didn't
Speaker 2: have verification, or at least if they where he was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that seems like a huge oversight by the prosecution and
Speaker 2: a huge leap to take if you were actually going
Speaker 2: to get that specific and then not be able to
Speaker 2: back it up and then expect the rest of your
Speaker 2: story to be believed.
Speaker 1: It seemed to have thrown them off guard, and she
Speaker 1: didn't have much of an answer. I say, Okay, I
Speaker 1: just could have been an off or my memories is
Speaker 1: a little fuzzy. But this is a witness that the
Speaker 1: defense has made some headway with in the cross examination,
Speaker 1: and now here is another at the end. This is
Speaker 1: a huge discrepancy. He has a receipt from trump Tower
Speaker 1: for the almost the entire week surrounding the date she
Speaker 1: said he was in La dangling her off a balcony.
Speaker 1: This was a tough witness for the prosecution.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so they hopefully while they're trying to recover
Speaker 2: their case with this next witness, correct. I mean, she
Speaker 2: has been a powerful, powerful witness. I was reading one
Speaker 2: report saying that when she finished her testimony yesterday, they said,
Speaker 2: normally you'd hear like shuffling and people talking, and there'd
Speaker 2: be some just regular ambient noise. It was silent that
Speaker 2: her testimony was so powerful and so jarring that people
Speaker 2: weren't speaking, that you could actually hear a pin drop
Speaker 2: in the courtroom. And that was distinctive from other days.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a really interesting note about what
Speaker 2: the atmosphere was like after she testified, And.
Speaker 1: To think that can be the case after we've heard
Speaker 1: from Mia, after we heard from Cassiefin to refine all
Speaker 1: those days of how all of these stories were, and
Speaker 1: still people have getting shook by what they're hearing from
Speaker 1: a witness. Jane as somebody who I think she's the
Speaker 1: third of four victims that they are actually PRESI denting
Speaker 1: their case with but hers is incredibly important. She had
Speaker 1: robes that you put it together some there are new details,
Speaker 1: you said, I think off the top about the same things. Right,
Speaker 1: she talked about free calls, you talk about dating Dittyes,
Speaker 1: she talk about violence, and all of those things are
Speaker 1: follow almost the exact same pattern of the storyline with
Speaker 1: Casivent Refine. But still some of the details that come
Speaker 1: out are still new and still shocking. I know this
Speaker 1: isn't the biggest deal in the world, but even the
Speaker 1: idea that there were twenty four bottles of baby oil
Speaker 1: used per session, she says she got that specific.
Speaker 2: She said in one night they would go through twenty
Speaker 2: four bottles of baby oil. It just gives you some perspective,
Speaker 2: because it all seems so surreal to me that you
Speaker 2: would have a sex session that lasted twelve hours, I
Speaker 2: mean repeatedly and in order, and it's not like you're
Speaker 2: just having sex with one person. She talked about having
Speaker 2: and being forced to, or at least coerced into having
Speaker 2: sex with multiple men, sometimes several sessions with one guy,
Speaker 2: then another one would come. And it got to the
Speaker 2: point where she fell in love with this man, this powerful, intoxicating,
Speaker 2: charming man, and he slowly introduces her to the idea
Speaker 2: of having sex with other men, and she ends up,
Speaker 2: she says, having sex with other men ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the time, when all she really wanted was to have
Speaker 2: sex with Diddy.
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff you just described very difficult to hear,
Speaker 1: and what an awful situation for this woman. But she
Speaker 1: had some of the kindest things to say in terms
Speaker 1: of their relationship, how happy she was and how happy
Speaker 1: they were together, how charming, she said, a bunch of
Speaker 1: complimentary things. But it's weird to have that come out
Speaker 1: of her mouth, and this being the experience she had.
Speaker 1: How can you when you dating so you're in a
Speaker 1: relationship in ninety percent of that time is spent having
Speaker 1: sex with other men that he wants you to do.
Speaker 2: You know what, though here's and this is what we're
Speaker 2: hearing is a common theme, it didn't start out that way,
Speaker 2: and so there obviously had to be a charming, wonderful
Speaker 2: side to him that we're hearing so much about our friend.
Speaker 2: Aubrey O Day talked about how she even struggles with
Speaker 2: calling him a monster because there were so many good
Speaker 2: sides and good things about him. So when he wanted
Speaker 2: to be charming with you, you fell for him head
Speaker 2: over heels. And then you're hoping to get back that
Speaker 2: that good guy, that man you fell in love with,
Speaker 2: and you know he's in there somewhere, and so you
Speaker 2: put up with all this other stuff because you're you're
Speaker 2: wanting to get back those moments, and apparently they obviously
Speaker 2: had to appear throughout so that you'd keep keep going
Speaker 2: and keep doing things you didn't want to do because
Speaker 2: you were hoping for that moment a taste of that
Speaker 2: version of him that you fell in love with. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't just about the intoxicating romance or the desire
Speaker 2: she had for him from her heart and from just
Speaker 2: all those other places. It was also a financially you
Speaker 2: can see how the grooming happened. You fall, she falls
Speaker 2: in love with him, then she he asked her to
Speaker 2: do things she doesn't want, and then he slowly ends
Speaker 2: up taking over her world where she depends on him
Speaker 2: for everything from paying her rent, to setting up childcare
Speaker 2: for her, to just making sure that her travels, taking
Speaker 2: care of everything. I'm sure a first class and luxury.
Speaker 2: And so now you've been introduced to this world of
Speaker 2: opulence and you can't afford any of it. So she
Speaker 2: ended up not she was a was she a formal model,
Speaker 2: former model? She had model friends and they were telling
Speaker 2: her she influencer. She was. She was wanting to go
Speaker 2: into the website what's that called?
Speaker 1: Were they only fans?
Speaker 2: Only fans? Yes, where they you know, you make money
Speaker 2: that way. He wanted her not to do that, so
Speaker 2: she ended up just being completely financially dependent on him.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little I guess Cassie. Even
Speaker 1: Toura Fine talked about this as well. Where she I mean,
Speaker 1: she wasn't even an artist anymore, right, she was her
Speaker 1: full time job was doing these free coms. Well this
Speaker 1: Jane said that she'd wouldn't work, she wouldn't travel, and
Speaker 1: she kept childcare on standby just in case he called
Speaker 1: and told her to travel somewhere for a free cough.
Speaker 1: That's a job, like you're just on standby to serve
Speaker 1: this one person that you depend on everything for. And
Speaker 1: she did ro she talked about she did these because
Speaker 1: she felt obligated.
Speaker 2: Yes, she felt obligated. She was hoping to make him
Speaker 2: happy so that they could be happy. But then after
Speaker 2: he's taken over her finances, taken over her life in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, and she's willingly done this. At
Speaker 2: this point, she then says something that we heard from
Speaker 2: Cassie ven tour Fine that he then started viciously attacking
Speaker 2: her and blackmailing her with those videos of her having
Speaker 2: sex with escorts, and that's not something that anyone wants
Speaker 2: to be released. And so he now has videos of
Speaker 2: her hanging over her head for her to do what
Speaker 2: he wants.
Speaker 1: But if these folks are lying, they have coordinated really well,
Speaker 1: because these stories all sound just the same, like you
Speaker 1: can almost just tell this and just remove the names
Speaker 1: and just move them around on different stories, because they
Speaker 1: all sound like they went to the exact same experience.
Speaker 1: He had a pattern, if you believe, if they are.
Speaker 2: To believe, you believe, and he obviously had, according to
Speaker 2: all of these witnesses, a need that was extreme that
Speaker 2: he wanted to be met at all costs. And once
Speaker 2: he was done with or the woman grew tired of
Speaker 2: doing this unthinkable thing several times a week, even sometimes
Speaker 2: for days on end, he would just move on to
Speaker 2: the next one, groom them, and then start the whole
Speaker 2: process over again. I mean, he pattern is one way
Speaker 2: to put it, but my god, it's it's horrific to
Speaker 2: think about. And the fact that he was allowed to
Speaker 2: keep doing this, if this is all true, woman after
Speaker 2: woman after woman after woman, and he knew how to
Speaker 2: control them, and.
Speaker 1: This is and we all wonder we hear about this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know he's a bad guy. He was a bad boss,
Speaker 1: he was an abuser. But what does this have to
Speaker 1: do with racketeering? What does it have to do with
Speaker 1: the charges you're trying to establish here? Again, his criminal
Speaker 1: enterprise and sex trafficking. He essentially has someone here who
Speaker 1: is moving across state lines, possibly for payment, to be
Speaker 1: engaged in well free costs.
Speaker 2: Yes, thanks, question, You know. It's interesting because we talked
Speaker 2: about earlier the defense team having receipts that Diddy was
Speaker 2: not where Breonna said he was in order to dangle
Speaker 2: her off the seventeenth floor balcony. The prosecution says they
Speaker 2: have receipts, so to speak, and plan to play phone
Speaker 2: recordings from Shawn Coms where we can expect this in
Speaker 2: the coming days that they say showed Ditty and you
Speaker 2: can hear him trying to manipulate Jane into saying she
Speaker 2: wanted to be involved in these freak offs and then
Speaker 2: making veiled references to paying for her rent, and so
Speaker 2: you can actually hear they claim, we're going to be
Speaker 2: able to hear o the jurors, you're going to be
Speaker 2: able to hear Diddy and his own voice manipulating her,
Speaker 2: blackmailing her and trying to get her to say something
Speaker 2: so he could have recordings to use against her. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's wild, but I think that'll be a unbelievable day
Speaker 2: in court when that happens.
Speaker 1: Well, that's to come. Who knows if they'll even get
Speaker 1: to a cross examination of her today. She is expected,
Speaker 1: folks to be on the stand for several days and
Speaker 1: she was only up there for a few hours yesterday,
Speaker 1: so much more to come from her. We of course,
Speaker 1: will continue to keep you updated as your one stop shop,
Speaker 1: I think we can go with We go through all
Speaker 1: these reports from media members inside and put it all
Speaker 1: together here for you, so we know you've been listening.
Speaker 1: So thank you certainly for doing.
Speaker 2: That, yes, and we appreciate that and appreciate you, and
Speaker 2: we hope you have a wonderful weekend. We will check
Speaker 2: back in with you very soon.
Speaker 1: The patent, the tationpos, the ch