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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noela.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code

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Speaker 4: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That

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Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Long time listeners, if you're listening to this the evening

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Speaker 4: it comes out, then you have made it to Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations all around. We are going to hear from our

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Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to have a follow up

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Speaker 4: on the beginning of a conversation we add about fertility

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Speaker 4: rates and paying people to become parents. We're gonna learn

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Speaker 4: about disruptions in the organ trade, not the way you

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Speaker 4: might think, and not the organ trail. But before we

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Speaker 4: do any of that, we thought we'd dip our toes

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Speaker 4: in with a delightful piece of correspondence we got from

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Speaker 4: an old friend.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, I'm just gonna jump right into the email.

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Speaker 3: This is a lot of fun. Hey, Ben the Octopi sympathizer,

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Speaker 3: Matt the dad, and Noel the guy who refuses to

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Speaker 3: play control for some reason, even though he can put

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Speaker 3: hours into Skyrim. Okay, I see you. It's your not

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Speaker 3: so British bank robber Ben. You pointed out that we

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Speaker 3: have heard from this individual before, specifically relating to a

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Speaker 3: period in their life as a professional bank robber.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's great to hear from you again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is from jas. By the way, although there's

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Speaker 3: been some great heist and fake identity stories lately that

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Speaker 3: are right up my alley, I'm actually writing in about

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Speaker 3: your Haunted Places and Objects piece. My house is definitely haunted,

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Speaker 3: but not in a stereotypical way. My wife got a

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Speaker 3: puppy in the first year of our marriage, and that

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Speaker 3: dog was consistently by her side. Unfortunately for us, that

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Speaker 3: dog was a superflatulator, a killer of the SBD kind.

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Speaker 3: For the unitiated out there, that means silent but deadly.

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Speaker 3: It didn't matter if I was cooking dinner or trying

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Speaker 3: This dog was there and dropping it like it was hot.

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Speaker 3: So we would constantly have to recoil in disgust at

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Speaker 3: the foul smell and fan it away and say the

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Speaker 3: dog's name aloud and scolding, no, no, no, I wish

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Speaker 3: we had gotten the dog's name. But that's okay. Here's

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Speaker 3: where it gets crazy. This dog passed away recently, sorry

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Speaker 3: to hear that, but it is not fully moved on.

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Speaker 3: My house is haunted by its presence, and in the

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Speaker 3: most loving way, it knew how in life it has

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Speaker 3: continued in death. My wife and I will be in

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Speaker 3: a room together when suddenly that same putrid gas smell

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Speaker 3: will appear out of habit. We both start to berate

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Speaker 3: the dog, but it's no longer alive, so how can

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Speaker 3: that be possible? Creepy right. The even creepier thing, it

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Speaker 3: only happens when my wife is in the room. The

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Speaker 3: dog continues to follow her around the house in death

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Speaker 3: as it did in life. Ghost impression of its love

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Speaker 3: or something sinister. Okay, we're gonna get to that. I'm

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Speaker 3: no ghost hunter with a TV show, so I don't

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Speaker 3: the TV shows don't either, so don't feel too bad.

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Speaker 3: But I'll leave you with that. It's taco Tuesday, so

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Speaker 3: I better get started on making the beans. That's funny,

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Speaker 3: cheers Jasps. The dog also went through a phase of

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Speaker 3: pooping in my house shoes, so if that happens again,

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Speaker 3: I'll be sure to give you an update. Pps. I

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Speaker 3: know you are all dads. I didn't mean to leave

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Speaker 3: you guys out by singling Matt out as the dad,

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Speaker 3: then as a cat dad. Noel has a daughter, But

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Speaker 3: why can't he just play that super fun game al dight?

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Speaker 3: So that's what comes to mind first for him in

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Speaker 4: I've got a quick thing. And I know this is

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Speaker 4: maybe an unpopular opinion, but I do not consider myself

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Speaker 3: Fair that is that is your prerogative.

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Speaker 5: Who do you consider yourself a father?

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Speaker 4: Right? So, uh, this may be a conversation for another David,

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Speaker 4: what what a cool letter? You know we talked about Uh,

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Speaker 4: our olfactory sensations. Right, So smell makes sense that it

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Speaker 4: could be for those who believe in an afterlife, it

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Speaker 4: could be a means of communication, and of course a

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Speaker 4: I'm I want to float it, but I don't want

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Speaker 3: Hole she was blaming on the dog as old as

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Speaker 4: I want going to make these rampant accusations more like.

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Speaker 5: I like this one.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you mine, and then let's compare and contrast,

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Speaker 2: because I think that's a really good possibility. Or it's Jason,

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Speaker 2: he's just having a little fun with us. Uh, what

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Speaker 2: and it's like that sulfury smell. Yeah, well that would

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Speaker 2: be associated with a natural gas leak because it's put

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Speaker 2: it's leaking in your home. So like, if there's a

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Speaker 3: I have to say I was googling, you know, ghost smells.

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Speaker 3: That was my term. And first of all, the first

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Speaker 3: need to get get you to a priest real quick

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Speaker 3: I think you might have nailed it on the head

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Speaker 3: Even if this doesn't sound paranormal to you, I just

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Speaker 3: which somebody responded. I believe in and have experienced plenty

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Speaker 3: of paranoia and the unfounded fear you describe. For your

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Speaker 3: inordinate amount of sad fartings and sparts sand or sad things,

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Speaker 4: There's also one thing to investigate. First off, I like

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Speaker 4: that both of these theories were arguing that your dog

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Speaker 4: and your partner have experienced nausea, dizziness, severe headaches, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and apparently you can check for this yourself. You

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Speaker 3: Yes see I was about to say, beans is not

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Speaker 3: suss out the possibilities. See, that's what we're here to do.

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Speaker 3: But you know, often we do hear of people associating

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Speaker 5: And we're back. Guys. I did a terrible job.

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Speaker 6: Good evening, gentlemen, this is well. You can call me

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Speaker 6: Skippy the Prozac ELF. I am a longtime listener, first

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Speaker 6: me to grow a new liver inside the patient. Eventually

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Speaker 2: Take guys, wow, wow, thank you so much, Skippy the

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Speaker 4: Yeah that was But that's I think you're raising I

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Speaker 2: It is not just growing a second liver. According to Ligenesis,

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean it's still better than dying from

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Speaker 2: But guys, look, I'm sure this is this is a

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Speaker 2: You understand the science behind this, the math behind all this,

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Speaker 2: when I read this out loud quote. Our allogenic cell

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Speaker 3: So these a lot of fancy words to me, they

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it's for investors who have a bunch

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Speaker 4: Even if I've given you this many millions of dollars,

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Speaker 4: at least three syllables.

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Speaker 3: So do they really have to drop recapitulate come on

438
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Speaker 3: ectopic organs? Maybe?

439
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean it's technically it is correct, Like

440
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: ectopic just means for anybody who's familiar with the situation,

441
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: like an ectopic pregnancy, that means the thing is happening

442
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: outside of the area where it's supposed to happen. So

443
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 4: these livers formed by lymph nodes, these mini livers, these

444
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 4: j livers are are ec topic at that point. And

445
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: recapitulate is kind of one of those one of those

446
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: words in English that's unnecessarily confusing, because it means a

447
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: couple of different things, like you could make a summary,

448
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: you can repeat something. But I think here they mean

449
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: to accurately mimic or repeat the action of the original liver.

450
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, But I think the use of that

451
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: word begs credulity just a tiny little bit. And I

452
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: was only half joking about the stock thing. It turns

453
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: out they are not publicly traded, by the way, not yet. Yeah, no,

454
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Speaker 3: I'm I mean they are merging with another company called AgeX.

455
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: I found and even that as a name of a company.

456
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: Their AgeX Therapeutics screams, I don't know, kind of high

457
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: in the sky, kind of technical like biotech. Agx Therapeutics

458
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: is focused on the development and commercialization of novel therapeutics

459
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: targeting human aging. We are building upon the foundation of

460
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: our proprietary technology such as pure stem trademark and induced

461
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Speaker 3: Tissue Regeneration I lowercase it tr trademark to develop innovative

462
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Speaker 3: medicines designed to address some of the largest unsolved problems

463
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Speaker 3: in aging.

464
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Speaker 4: I mean you need that profit though, I mean you

465
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Speaker 4: need that profit motive often to propel this kind of research.

466
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Speaker 3: I haven't. That's very true that You're right, profit is

467
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: not equal. We should doubt their motives.

468
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we should be honest. Right to Guy's points,

469
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: like the we do know, at least scoring their website.

470
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Speaker 4: I haven't read this stuff, but they do seem to

471
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Speaker 4: have pure reviewed research and they are bringing this to market.

472
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: But there are so many other questions, like what is

473
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Speaker 4: matt Do we know whether there is a kill switch

474
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Speaker 4: or a handbreak to say we're only going to grow

475
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 4: x amount of these new ectopic livers. Could somebody die

476
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Speaker 4: from having too many many livers?

477
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Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think you too many many livers.

478
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Speaker 5: H Well, I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Wait and I'm sorry, but you're basically like a farm

480
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Speaker 3: for livers. It's not like they're hooked up to your

481
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: nervous system. They're just growing on you right like right

482
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: like in your nodes.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is really important. Uh, let's go through

484
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Speaker 2: this really quickly. This is from the pr they put

485
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: out in early April. Here, I'm gonna read part of this.

486
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: Their biologic therapy is created starting from donated otherwise unmatched livers.

487
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: So a donated liver that doesn't have a person that

488
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Speaker 2: it's going to. They take basically the stem cells or

489
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: the cells out of that liver, right, and then they

490
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: they have a current good manufacturing practice process that carefully

491
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: isolates and suspends hepatocytes in a solution ready for transplantation

492
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: liver cells into the patient's upper abdominal lymph nodes, so

493
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Speaker 2: like up on your upper body here, and they use

494
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Speaker 2: an endoscopic ultrasound, a minimally invasive approach. But then the

495
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Speaker 2: lymph nodes act as in vivo bioreactors that make those

496
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Speaker 2: the liver cells. They're using the words again and graft,

497
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: proliferate and then eventually generate a functional ectopic liver tissue

498
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Speaker 2: like the stuff that you would need to make a

499
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Speaker 2: liver to become a liver, and then you'd be able

500
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Speaker 2: to take those out and put one in you.

501
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Speaker 4: I think is the idea. I see.

502
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Speaker 5: Okay, maybe I'm wrong here.

503
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Speaker 2: I think that's how it would work, or maybe that's

504
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: not how it would work. Maybe it would actually function

505
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: as a liver in the lymph node places you just

506
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Speaker 2: have several small ones rather than one.

507
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Speaker 4: Large one, right, right, It's a asymmetrical solution to the

508
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Speaker 4: problem of organ donation.

509
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, imagine how many people it potentially safe, like

510
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: for real?

511
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 4: Sure?

512
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I just want to add one last little

513
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: thing about the other company that I was talking about, AgeX.

514
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: They actually changed their name to Serena Therapeutics in twenty

515
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: twenty four. But there's one sentence on here that just

516
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: really has me kind of I don't know. It says

517
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: here ITR was one of the technologies, the trademark technologies

518
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: which has induced tissue regeneration. ITR is our revolutionary longevity

519
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: platform aiming to unlock cellular immortality and regenerate capacity to

520
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: reverse age related changes in the body. So these companies

521
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: are aligned in some form. I gotta do more digging.

522
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Speaker 3: It does seem that they have merged in some way,

523
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: but I don't want to steer anybody wrong. But there

524
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: definitely have been press releases indicating there is connection between

525
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Speaker 3: these companies.

526
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Speaker 5: So they're also.

527
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Speaker 4: You know, they're part of a larger trend, which surely

528
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Speaker 4: you notice as well. Skip you we are past the

529
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: where everything sounds like vaporware in anti aging technology and

530
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: in this particular genre of biotech, it's on the way.

531
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Speaker 4: One thing to do that's really interesting if you ever

532
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: have some free time, folks, and you don't want to

533
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: go out and spend money, check out these companies we're mentioning,

534
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: and then do a little digging into their board of

535
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Speaker 4: directors and learn where their executives are coming from, and

536
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 4: then learn what other things those executives are doing, because

537
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: there's a heck of a lot of Venn diagrams when

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Speaker 4: it comes to boards of directors. I think, okay, overall,

539
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: this sounds like a good thing. Of course, you know,

540
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: once the trials are occurring, it may well happen that

541
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Speaker 4: they run into something unintended right, and that may be

542
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Speaker 4: an insurmountable obstacle, or hopefully, more likely, they run into

543
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Speaker 4: something that might be a plot twist that might change

544
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: part of their approach, but they're still able to get

545
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Speaker 4: this across the finish line. I mean, this could be

546
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Speaker 4: This could extend the quality of life and the quantity

547
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Speaker 4: of life for millions of people. I think that's really cool,

548
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: and I just hope that when something like this happens,

549
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: when it reaches market, as the investors like to say,

550
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Speaker 4: I hope that it doesn't become a palliative only for

551
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: the wealthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hope so, because it could be incredible.

553
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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at one of the chairman of the

554
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 2: board of directors at like Genesis, mister Mellon. Fascinating character

555
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: on several boards.

556
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, which doesn't make him bad Nope.

557
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: But he did publish a book in two thousand and

558
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Speaker 2: five called Wake Up, Survive and Prosper in the Coming

559
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Speaker 2: Economic Turmoil.

560
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Speaker 4: This guy loves New Zealand. How many passports do you

561
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Speaker 4: think he has?

562
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Speaker 5: Oh Man, at least six and for Wow six deep.

563
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, you wrote a book called move whose Law,

564
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Speaker 2: moos Law, and Investor's Guide to the New Agrarian Revolution.

565
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Speaker 3: Laurel Snake oily sounding a mean interesting, I don't know,

566
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

567
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out only time and those hepatocites will tell. So, gentlemen,

568
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: I think that's all from this one. Thank you so much.

569
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Give you the prozac elf, be careful with the dosages there,

570
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: and we will be right back with more messages from you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate your liver. Folks, we have returned. We have

572
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Speaker 4: one piece of correspondence here from Phoebe, which is representative

573
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Speaker 4: of several other communications we got in the wake of

574
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Speaker 4: something we talked about briefly on a previous Strange News,

575
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Speaker 4: which is the story of private South Korean companies paying

576
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Speaker 4: families or paying their employees to have children. There's an

577
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: underwear company that gives you like the equivalent of twenty

578
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: two four hundred a piece for the first two, and

579
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: then there is a construction company that gives you the

580
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: equivalent of like seventy grand just pop out one. And

581
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: there's a lot of context here. We mentioned yes, the

582
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Speaker 4: climbing birth rates and what we would call the you know,

583
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Speaker 4: the quote unquote developed world. We also, I think briefly

584
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Speaker 4: alluded to just how hyper competitive the culture of South

585
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Speaker 4: Korea can be overall, you know, the tremendous amount of

586
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Speaker 4: pressure put on people from their first days of school

587
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Speaker 4: all the way into their adult life and retirement. One

588
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 4: thing we didn't mention is this, And we're going to

589
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: share this letter from Phoebe and then we'll discuss some

590
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Speaker 4: of the factors at play here. Phoebe says, Hey, guys,

591
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: longtime listener here, you can call me Phoebe. When you

592
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: were talking about the Korean company that was giving out

593
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: a boat for having kids, I was hoping you would

594
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: mention the four B movement happening there. The movement, says Phoebe,

595
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: is basically women opting out of dating, marriage, and babies.

596
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: The words for these all start with be in Korean.

597
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Speaker 4: As a result of sexual assault and harassment being so prevalent,

598
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Speaker 4: especially with things like the in rooms in Japan, women

599
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 4: feel like it's dangerous to bring a new life into

600
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Speaker 4: this world where these Korean men and lawmakers are turning

601
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: a blind eye to the violence. Happening to women anyhow,

602
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 4: Thank you, And this is just one of the one

603
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: of the pieces of correspondence we received regarding this. Now,

604
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: have you guys heard of the four B movement before?

605
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 5: And this is new to me.

606
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: Same, Yeah, it's something I think it picked up in

607
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: the West. A lot of people on TikTok and Twitter

608
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: started paying attention to it around twenty nineteen. It was

609
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: propagating through various social media accounts. But uh, it will

610
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: be described often as a quote radical feminist movement. And

611
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: the four bees or the four knows are the following

612
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 4: one no sex with men, to no child rearing, three

613
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: no dating men, and four no marriage with men.

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Speaker 5: So ouch. Yeah.

615
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: So it's it's like, hey, Stings, we're fine without you, know,

616
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: all all your mess your baggage, your threats.

617
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Speaker 2: Is there a word for supporting the meaning behind or

618
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: the reason to have a movement but also fundamentally don't

619
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: want it to happen because you're one of those people

620
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: who isn't like the people that they're fighting against. Hey, Sarah,

621
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Speaker 2: we need to come up with a.

622
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 5: Word for that.

623
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, we do, because what you just said

624
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: was incomprehensible to me. You know, it's like, I mean,

625
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 3: it's like it's a lot that's like, you're right, It's.

626
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Speaker 2: Like I agree, like totally down and I agree with

627
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: the reasoning behind all of this and why you would

628
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: do that and self fulfillment and all that stuff, but

629
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: also like, uh, some of.

630
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Speaker 3: Us are okay, right, maybe there's a better way, right.

631
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 7: Maybe cat quickly say something here, yes, please do Yeah.

632
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 7: I just want to say that I think that one

633
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 7: framework that can be worthwhile here from what I know

634
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: about the Forbe movement is to think about it as

635
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Speaker 7: sort of a form of protest to make the government

636
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 7: and these other entities pay attention to these issues and

637
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 7: do something to fix it. And the idea that protests

638
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 7: is supposed to inherently be disruptive. There's a quote that

639
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 7: I can't remember who said it, but something about asking

640
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 7: nicely to get your quote like oppressors to do something

641
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 7: differently not working and having to do something a little

642
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 7: bit stronger. So I think that at least, like I said,

643
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Speaker 7: from what I've read, viewing the Forbe movement as sort

644
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Speaker 7: of a form of protests to like, we won't do

645
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 7: this until these issues are fixed, not necessarily like we

646
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 7: hate God, because I can't speak because I'm not there, can't,

647
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 7: you know. But I just think that that's just sort

648
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Speaker 7: of a slightly different way.

649
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Speaker 3: Of looking and reframes my whole thinking about it. Frankly,

650
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: I mean, you nailed it.

651
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for that, doc, because that

652
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: is something that kind of came up in our off

653
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: air conversation as well. Like the way we're seeing this.

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Speaker 4: There's so much to get into here, but the way

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Speaker 4: we're seeing this presented in the West. We have to

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Speaker 4: be very careful with this, right. None of us are

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Speaker 4: living in South Korea, you know, and it's perhaps easier,

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Speaker 4: dangerously so, for Westerners to read stories about this protest movement,

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Speaker 4: things like that, the fight for equality. You see it happening,

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Speaker 4: and you think about it in terms of another society,

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Speaker 4: another country, You other the problem, and in doing so

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Speaker 4: run the very real risk of ignoring the continuing problems

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Speaker 4: that exist in your own neck of the woods, right,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: I just was doing a little cursery googling, and I

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Speaker 3: found a really cool article that I'd love to dig

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Speaker 3: into on the cut called a World without Men. The

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Speaker 3: women of South Koreas for we move in, aren't fighting

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Speaker 3: the patriarchy. They're leaving it behind entirely. And there's a

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Speaker 3: great poll quote I think that sums up the cultural

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Speaker 3: aspect of this that makes it so unique. In their view,

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Speaker 3: Korean men are essentially beyond redemption, and Korean culture on

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Speaker 3: the whole is hopelessly patriarchal, off and downright misogynistic. And

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Speaker 3: I do think, you know, there's parts of that you

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Speaker 3: could certainly apply to American culture as well, patriarchal culture

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Speaker 3: as well, but there it seems to be much more,

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Speaker 3: even more extreme than what we have here.

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Speaker 4: I like that you're bringing this up because this is

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Speaker 4: one of the primary things I pulled as well. So

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Speaker 4: thanks to Anna Louis Sussman right in the cut March eighth,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. This is a tough thing for a

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Speaker 4: lot of people to read because there are in depth

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Speaker 4: stories of female female idental by residents of South Korea

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Speaker 4: who have just had terrible, terrible, terrible things occur to them,

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Speaker 4: and that, to be clear, are absolutely not their fault.

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Speaker 4: They were innocent people victimized by by a large scale blindness. Really,

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Speaker 4: and we know that this is the four B is

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Speaker 4: the descendant of another movement called Escape the Corset movement

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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, which kind of inspired four b Escape

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Speaker 4: the Corset, Escape the Corset. The word corset here is

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Speaker 4: kind of like a metaphor for the social forces repressing

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Speaker 4: women in that country.

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Speaker 3: Well sure, even I mean, the history of the corset

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Speaker 3: is incredibly misogynistic. I mean, maybe at least I'm sure

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Speaker 3: there are some women that enjoyed wearing a corset, I suppose,

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Speaker 3: but it was certainly foisted upon women by the male gaze, right,

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Speaker 3: Like it's like, we need you to look this certain way,

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Speaker 3: have this certain figure. Therefore we will, you know, insist

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Speaker 3: that you where are these very constricting garments that are

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Speaker 3: not pleasant at all, and you know, tantamount to like

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Speaker 3: abuse in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And we see also that the four Bee movement,

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Speaker 4: by its own description is meant to be, like you

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Speaker 4: were saying, Doc, it's a protest as well, Like think

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Speaker 4: of it that way in that framework. Think of it

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Speaker 4: also as an oppositional force to the traditionally incredibly patriarchal

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Speaker 4: state of South Korea. You know, and for people who

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Speaker 4: are part of this movement, part of this protest, what

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Speaker 4: they're saying is the state, including the giant corporations, the

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Speaker 4: chibal including you know, like the everybody from the local

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Speaker 4: legislators to Samsung on down. They are only viewing women's

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Speaker 4: bodies and reproductive abilities as tools for the future of

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Speaker 4: the state, which gets very authoritarian.

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Speaker 7: Cat with one more thing here, yes, please do yeah,

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Speaker 7: one more thing that I think is sort of noteworthy about,

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Speaker 7: for example, the incidents of intimate partner violence being significantly

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Speaker 7: higher in South Korea something like forty one point five percent,

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Speaker 7: which is higher than the global average. And then also

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Speaker 7: the president that was recently elected there said that he

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Speaker 7: was going to dismantle the Ministry for Gender Equality or

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Speaker 7: saying that he wanted to and sort of this in

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Speaker 7: addition to the actual issues that are impacting them that

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Speaker 7: they're protesting against, also the sort of gas lighting of

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Speaker 7: them saying this is not actually an issue, and the

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Speaker 7: president has said something about feminism being to blame for

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Speaker 7: the low birth rate instead of actually addressing or acknowledging

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Speaker 7: the problems that they're speak out against.

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Speaker 3: That's like corporations like creating recycling to pivot the blame

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Speaker 3: of pollution onto you know, consumers, basically to be even.

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Speaker 4: More crass, telling me what you all think about this.

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Speaker 4: Is it not kind of like saying our nation has

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Speaker 4: a house fire problem, so to combat that, I'm getting

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Speaker 4: rid of all the fire stations. It's wild that'll be

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Speaker 4: the problem.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot I'm not familiar with this issue until now.

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Speaker 3: I want to do some more digging into it. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate, Alexis you bringing up the idea of this

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Speaker 3: as a protest kind of movement more than it is, like,

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Speaker 3: this is the way it has to be for everyone

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Speaker 3: and all people. And if you're not on board with

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Speaker 3: this hard line kind of attitude towards men, then you're not,

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Speaker 3: you know, doing it right. I think that's maybe what

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Speaker 3: hit Matt and I, you know, weirdly initially, But no,

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Speaker 3: I totally get it, and it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: We also knew, doc, you and I were talking about this.

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Speaker 4: We also knew that. Again, the point I don't want

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Speaker 4: to miss is that it is all too easy to

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Speaker 4: look at this and say this is happening somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: But Doc, you and I had like spent time thinking

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Speaker 4: we're talking to each other. You rightly point it out.

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Speaker 4: You're like, the gender wage gap is everywhere too right

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Speaker 4: in the United States, is no exception, right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, because that's also one of the things that's

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Speaker 7: listed as being part of the inspiration for the FORB

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Speaker 7: movement is the gender like pay wage gap being the

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Speaker 7: highest in the developed world there in South Korea at

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Speaker 7: like thirty one cents on the dollar, but it's actually

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Speaker 7: like when you get to the United States, it's not

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Speaker 7: that much different. And then also when you add the

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Speaker 7: intersectionality of the pay wage gap between like Hispanic women

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Speaker 7: or Black women or Indigenous women, you know. So, yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's one of those things where we can sort of

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Speaker 7: look at this as a microcosm of something that's happening

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Speaker 7: with different levels of extremness in other places.

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Speaker 4: And maybe you can help us out as well, folks,

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Speaker 4: because code named Doc Matt Nole and your faithful correspondent,

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Speaker 4: I've been trying to think of a country where some

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Speaker 4: version of this is not occurring.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, we have a patriarchy problem right

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Speaker 3: here in the US of A, no question about it,

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Speaker 3: and as I think got to the point where it's

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Speaker 3: maybe better than it has been in the past, but

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Speaker 3: it's certainly always room to improve that. But I was

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Speaker 3: just looking up, like one aspect of South Korean culture

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Speaker 3: that I'm a huge fan of, and I think we

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Speaker 3: all are are. They're films, you know, there's some incredible

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Speaker 3: directors and wonderful films out of South Korea. I just

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Speaker 3: looked up the stat I was wondering, how many, you know,

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Speaker 3: women directors of a certain scale there are? And I

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Speaker 3: saw an article here from the Korea Jungong Daily saying

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Speaker 3: that only one of thirty five Korean films of a

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Speaker 3: certain scale was directed by a woman last year.

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Speaker 7: Don't even get me started on those statistics in America,

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Speaker 7: because I have a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of I know, I know a lot of it is

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Speaker 3: lip service. I know it is, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying it's good, but I'm saying it's at least

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Speaker 3: more than one.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, yeah, but it's there's something like, you know,

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Speaker 7: twenty to one here in terms of films that are

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Speaker 7: directed by a woman versus a man. So that's only

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Speaker 7: sort of thing that we can look at and say, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 7: In South Korea they're saying that the instance of domestic

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Speaker 7: partner or like intimate violence is at forty one percent,

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Speaker 7: but the global is at thirty percent. That's still pretty high.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's like a third. That means like a

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Speaker 7: third of intimate partner relationships have some sort of intimate

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Speaker 7: partner violence involved. So yeah, that's just sort of the

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Speaker 7: thing in terms of thinking about like what they're doing

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Speaker 7: and what they're speaking out against, and like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: bad there and that's why they're doing this, but also

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Speaker 7: it's not necessarily miles better.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, And I certainly wasn't implying that it was.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think any I don't think we're Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're also we're also, if anything, we're we're showing a

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Speaker 4: wider a wider lens here. I don't know enough about

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Speaker 4: cinematography to know if that's oh sure works.

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Speaker 3: Well you know who does coding?

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Speaker 7: Dot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and dot. I just wanted to add in the

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Speaker 3: same article that I was just referencing U zero women

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Speaker 3: cinematographers in this crop of films that they're talking.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're like four percent here.

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Speaker 4: And as you can tell, folks, we have much more

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Speaker 4: the world's lowest fertility rate. That is true, but just

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