1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: dot Com. There were on the Giants. Let the Giants 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: podcast Network go back here for another edition of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Giant Subtle Podcast. John Smoke with you. Today's guest from 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: our friends over at the Draft Network Jordan Read. But first, 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: never mind. You can find the Johnt Subtle Podcast on 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast Network, which is presented by Investors Bank 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: at giants dot Com, Slash Podcast, The Giants Mobble and 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms. Well, we're joined by Jordan Read 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: and Jordan the Giants Draft is in the book six Picks. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: First of all, thanks a lot for being with us 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: and just your overarching twenty thousand foot view. Look at 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: what the Giants did in the NFL Draft. Well, if 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: there was one word I could use to describe it, it 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: it definitely would be value. And then also unconventional. I 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of people were harping on David Gilman 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: about never trading back and goes to show you that 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: he listens to the press Clippers a little bit, he 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: reads put press Clippers a little bit, and that he 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: actually traded back twice if I'm not mistaken. So that 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: really surprised a lot of people, but I really love 22 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: the selection in the first round can Darius Tony, And 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: I think this is a big year for Danni Jones 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: coming up, and the best way to figure out what 25 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: you have and Daniel Jones is to surround him with 26 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: the plethora weapons. And that's what exactly the Darius Sony 27 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: brings to the forefront, an exposive type of guy. And 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get to these guys a little bit 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: later as far as specifically, but I really like the 30 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: first two selections of first three selections. I should just 31 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: say with Darius Tony a Zzo Glari, I thought that 32 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: was outstanding value. In the second round, getting who I 33 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: thought was the best edge resturant in the draft class 34 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: in the end, providing some more help in the secondary. 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: With Aaron Robinson, Yeah, it's funny. I laughed when he 36 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: gave the answer because we did a written reaction to 37 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: what if the Draft was on Giants dot Com on Monday, 38 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: and I my little little quote, I kid you not. 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: If I did define the Giants draft with one word, 40 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: it would be value. And that's exactly what I sait 41 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: to on with you. So let's talk about that first 42 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: down trade down, first first round trade down. Do you 43 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: think that the value they got for that eleventh pick 44 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: was as good as they could have gotten. Yeah. Absolutely, 45 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: And whenever you're talking about getting the first round picking 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: next is draft, you can't really beat that, especially with 47 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: them trading down so many spots. I believe it was 48 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: nine or so that they traded down, so so it 49 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: was terrific value for them to get a first round 50 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: picking next year's draft. I think with the roster that 51 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: still doesn't need some help on both sides of the ball. 52 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: And then you're talking about building for the future as well, 53 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: and then we know the NFC East is really up 54 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: for grabs right now. We know it's really unpredictable as 55 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: far as to go in his division on a year 56 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: to year basis. And now with this being Daniel Jones 57 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: the third year, David Gettleman has been adamant about surrounding 58 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: him with protection and then also weapons as well, and 59 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: that's what the Darius Tony does bring to the forefront. Um. 60 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: I was a big fan of Tony coming out, but 61 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: he's very scheme dependent as far as being able to 62 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: scheme him open um. I think of the wide receivers 63 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: that went in the first round. He's probably the most 64 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: scheme dependent as far as somebody that you have to 65 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: figure out some ways just to get the ball in 66 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: his hands, as far as manufacturing touches, just because he's 67 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: a guy that you have to hold your breath whenever 68 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: he does touch the ball, just because what I like 69 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: to say, and what I wrote in the scouting report 70 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: is that he just plays the game is if he 71 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: doesn't have any bones and his ankles. Just because he's 72 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: making guys miss everywhere. I'm sure he's gonna make you 73 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: guys say, well a couple of moments this year just 74 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: because he's lightning in a bottle when he does touch. 75 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: I'll tare what I had a few will moments watching 76 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: his film. You're one play where he somehow keeps his 77 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: balance with his hand on the ground for like three steps. Uh. 78 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: He has another spin move that's just unbelievable. He's breaking tackles. 79 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: So let's dip into Tony a little bit more, because 80 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: I think he's an interesting player. What are the things 81 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: that you think Jason Garrett can do to maximize his value, 82 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: because to your point, one of my coast here Paulatino 83 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: has kind of labeled to make G receiver and G 84 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: means for gadget right, where it's not a guy who's 85 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: just not gonna plug in and let him go. You know, 86 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: run your rout tree and we'll throw you the ball. 87 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: You want to scheme stuff up for him. So one 88 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: of the things that you would like to see from 89 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and this offense to maximize the return on 90 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: investment in Tony Well, he does have to play from 91 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: the slot. That's what I will say. He ran seventy 92 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: eight percent of his routes I believe a year ago 93 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: from the slot, So he definitely has to thrive in 94 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: that area just because that's where he really likes to 95 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: call home. He's not an outside guy. Um, he doesn't 96 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: have the proper adequate length enough to win, consist and 97 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: lead on the outstide. But when you put him in 98 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: those advantageous matchups against linebackers, against those slot corners, that's 99 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: really where you're able to see him the most. And 100 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, with Sae Kwon Barkley coming back from injury, 101 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: you don't really want to put a whole workload on 102 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: him as far as receiving and rushing, and you know 103 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: they like to flex him out on the slot from 104 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: time to time, and then they like to give him 105 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: some of those short dump routes of where he can 106 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: just do whatever he does once he gets the ball 107 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: in his hands. But now you have a guy like 108 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Tony who can ease a little bit of that workload 109 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: of where you can really ease say Kwan back into it, 110 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: of where he doesn't have to have seventy eight catches 111 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: this year. You can give you know, sevent of those 112 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: touches to Tony now to where he can be put 113 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: in those advantageous matchups of where um, you can put 114 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: him in a bind or put those linebackers in those 115 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: slot the corners in a bind. And also he's gonna 116 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: give you value on special teams as well as far 117 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: as a punt returner. I think that was an underrated 118 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: factor that he does bring to the forefront. Do you 119 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: have any concerned about his ability to stay healthy given 120 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: his style of play. He's only pounds and if you 121 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: watch him on tape, he looks like a pinball bouncing 122 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: off the fenders in this secondary And I go back 123 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: to a guy like Deebo. Samuel's kind of a comparison 124 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I've used a little bit for him. He's that injury 125 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: issues and he's even a little bit of a bigger 126 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: guy than Tony is. Right, So are you concerned at 127 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: all about him staying healthy given the style in which 128 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: he plays, Well, it's kind of hard to predict those 129 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: things really happening, and you can just go based off 130 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: what happened in this past. So of course there's gonna 131 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: be a lot of players that you have injury concerns with, 132 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: but we don't really know. We can't really predict what's 133 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: gonna happen in the future, and you can't really put 134 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: that in his mind either. You just have to go 135 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: out and let him play football. And I mean, if 136 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: those injuries concerns do a rise, you have to scheme 137 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: up some things of where it does limit his workload 138 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, to where it does ease him a 139 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: little bit. So give him some screen touches, give him 140 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: some of those Jets suits just so where he can 141 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: get the ball in his hands really quickly during your 142 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: former D one quarterback? How does this edition? And you 143 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: can even include the Kenny Golladay edition and free agency 144 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: if you like, How does all these moves that Dave 145 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Gentleman's made make things easier for Daniel Jones. Oh, it 146 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: helps a lot. And my comparison that I've always used 147 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: for playing quarterback is you're kind of like the mail man. 148 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: And what I mean by the mailman is that you're 149 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: just worried about putting the package for these wide receivers 150 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: on the doorstep, but doesn't really matter. It's not your 151 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: business of what they do with it after as far 152 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: as yards after the catcher, if they're scoring or taking 153 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: the ball to the end zone. So the thing that 154 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: I've loved that I've did, that they've did for Daniel Jones, 155 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: excuse me, is that they've surrounded him with so many 156 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: different weapons and all of them bring different types of 157 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: skill sets to the table. So now what Daniel has 158 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: to do now is just figure out which situation that 159 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: these receivers can thrive in. You know, Darius, Tony is 160 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna thrive in different situations than what Kenny Golladay does. 161 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay is more of a you know, intermediate to 162 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: deep type of receiver as opposed to Tony of where 163 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: you want to get him the ball underneath and you 164 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: can take some shots down the field with them periodically, 165 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: but just figuring out different situations for these wide receivers. 166 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: But it's a great problem to have. And you know 167 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: when I thought, when I thought about the selection of Tony, 168 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: I thought they had a really crowded wide receiver room. 169 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: But it's like, man, you want to get as many 170 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: weapons as possible for your young quarterback just because you 171 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: want to get the ball out of his hands as 172 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. And we know what Daniel Jones, he 173 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: has struggled a little bit as far as turnovers and 174 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: fumbles of that nature. But getting these weapons will alleviate 175 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: some of those concerns just because it's gonna be able 176 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: to get the ball out a lot, a lot quicker. 177 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: And you know, before we move on to the second round, 178 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: pick Jordan the last and last, but the first round 179 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: pick is the one I think argument you could have 180 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: is should the Giants have gone and taking Rashawns later? 181 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: He was kind of the guy from that top echelon 182 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: group that slewed down a little bit. Do you think 183 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: they should have really tried to reinforce the on line 184 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: there or do you think they made the right moving 185 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: getting that extra value based on their roster and what 186 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: they have looking at moving forward. I mean, there's a 187 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of things that you could say about it, honestly, 188 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: and we won't really know until about three or four 189 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: years down the road from well, but as far as 190 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: the value that they got for the pick, I think 191 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: they'll be just fine with it um as far as 192 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: getting more weapons for Daniel Jones, and of course they 193 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: could have got them some more protection, but you can't 194 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: really complain about getting an extra first round pick out 195 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: of it as well. So I think they did just 196 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: fine with coming out of it. And I know that 197 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: was a huge surprise for a lot of fans as well, 198 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: especially when it came across the ticket that we have 199 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: a trade. I would have paid to see a lot 200 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: of reactions of and spaces when that happened. Damn, no 201 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: question about it. And then I think the ironic thing 202 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: here is that Giant fans are all upset they didn't 203 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: get that premium receiver in the first round. They wanted 204 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Jail and Waddle or Davante Smith. And you know, all 205 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: pre draft process are talking about do you think an 206 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: edge rush or eleven? Is that a little too early? 207 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: And one of the guys we talked about in that 208 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: group was a ziz Ojulari. And then you get to 209 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: round two, they're picking at forty two, they trade back, 210 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: pick up another third rounder next year, and they still 211 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: land Ojilry, Which that's what I'm most excited about, because 212 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: to me, that's the ultimate value. If you have told 213 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: me last Wednesday that they're getting a ziz Ojilari in 214 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: a second round trade back not up, I would have 215 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: told you were crazy. Yeah, and this really surprised a 216 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: lot of people. I know. I think he had a 217 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: knee issue coming out on that ended up they got 218 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Flagford re checks in Indianapolis a couple of weeks ago, 219 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: so that was the main corporate of why he did 220 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: slip back. But I mean some people were saying they 221 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: should have taken Ojilari at eleven, like you mentioned, so 222 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: to get him at forty two, I believe it was. 223 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: I think that was credible value. Now this is a 224 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: player that I think can start for the Giants right away, 225 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: and we know they needed help off of the edge, 226 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: and some people were saying they wanted to receive or 227 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: they want to edge rush help, whether it was quite 228 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Pay or somebody like that. At eleven Um, but I 229 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: think them getting Ogilar and then sliding back and getting 230 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: the third rounder next year was terrific value as well. 231 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: But I had him as Edge one and my rankings 232 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: prior to the knee injury. I didn't know anything about that, 233 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: just because from the media standpoint, it's hard for us 234 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: to get inside information behind the scenes stuff like that. 235 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: But you know, considering the knee and taking everything into 236 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: the equation, if we're just strictly talking about the player, 237 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: I think he was the most talented edge rusher in 238 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: this class as far as defending the run and then 239 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher as well. So getting this type 240 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: of instant impact helped off of the edge, I think 241 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: was terrific value. All right, break down the player for me. 242 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: Why did you have him ranked as your top edge? Well, 243 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: I think upside was one him only being a rich 244 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: or sophomore, a twenty year old player in the SEC, 245 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: put a phenomenal numbers. Go out and against Alabama. You 246 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: can see him taking on Deontay Brown, taking on Alex 247 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: Leatherwood as a run defender, and he held up really well. Um, 248 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a one trick pony as 249 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: far as far as a pass for a specialist right now. 250 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: But we have to remember that he's only a rich 251 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: or sophomore, so he still has some tools left there 252 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: to unlock. So you really have to figure out some 253 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: more moves how you can get better with his hands. 254 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: But as far as the explosiveness on the speed off 255 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: of the edge, how quick he is out of the 256 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: starting blocks, and then just the room that he has 257 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: to grow as a player, That's why I was such 258 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: a big fan of a Zzo Gillar. Yeah, and look 259 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: when you have a guy and this was a weird 260 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: edge class, right, but if you're a guy that can 261 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: win around the edge with that dipping ripped movie has, 262 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: with that swite move that he has, that's not something 263 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: that grows on trees. And especially for the giants who 264 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: play that kind of three four stand up brush your deal. 265 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: Sometimes he does fit that prototype for somebody that should 266 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: be able to fit into that defensive skin. Yeah, and 267 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: he had to play against Arkansas where he actually gotted 268 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: a running back on a wheel route and he's like 269 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: running side by side with him down the sideline, which 270 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: is really impressive. And you know, in Patrick Graham's three 271 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: four system, you have to have guys that can stand 272 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: up and then also dropping coverage as well, and old 273 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: Gillard showed that he's comfortable with doing that, and I 274 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: think that really set him apart from some of these 275 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: other guys that really probably wearing a scheme fit. As 276 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: far as being able to drop back in coverage. I 277 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: think that was a big weaknesses of some of these 278 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: other guys, as far as them just being five techniques 279 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: in the four three system. To be an outside linebacker 280 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: or you know that four technique in and then fourth 281 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: three or excuse me, a three four system, you have 282 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: to be able to stand out and coverage as well, 283 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: just because that's something that's gonna be asked for you periodically. Yeah, 284 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: as I saw on tape, if he spoiled the screen pass, 285 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what team was against. Maybe it 286 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: was Orber and I think where he kind of read 287 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: that play on the screen foiled one of those. And 288 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned if you have an inside the 289 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: firm and video feature up on jihnts dot com right now, 290 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, one of those Alabama pulling guards came around 291 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: the edge and you know he's getting out weighed by 292 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: seventy pounds. Right on that play, he dips his shoulder 293 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: into that guard and doesn't just hold his ground. He 294 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: backs that Alabama guard back on the poll. Really really impressive, 295 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: and that kind of gets me to why I think 296 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: he does have more upside. You mentioned he's just gonna 297 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: be twenty one years old, he's red shirt sophomore. While 298 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: he's only six two. He's got thirty four inch arms, right, 299 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: so he is the advantage of being a little shorter 300 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: to kind of do that, didn't move around the edge, 301 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: but he has the long arms to keep the tackles 302 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: off of him. So a lot of ways that combination 303 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: of six too, but those thirty four inch arms, that's 304 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: almost the best of both worlds, right, Yeah, absolutely, especially 305 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: when you're talking about defending the run as well, just 306 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: because I think something that's missing a lot of times 307 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: with the young edge rushers is that they let a 308 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of people are a lot of blockers get into 309 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: their body too soon, and what happens is they lose 310 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: control at the point of attack. You don't really see 311 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: that a lot with Dizzeo Glari and it's very rare 312 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: to find a player, especially at his young of an age, 313 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: to be so conscientious and then just so aware as 314 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: a run defender. And what you notice is that as 315 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: the season goes along, he just consistently and continuously gets better. 316 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: And he had the highlight game against Cincinnati of where 317 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: he was just able to take over in the Peach 318 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: Bowl in the Bowl game where he was just phenomenal. 319 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: So that's something that you want to see, especially leading 320 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: up to the prede drift process, and then with these 321 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: young players is that you want to see them constantly 322 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: get better so they can have that momentum going to 323 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: the predraft process of where maybe this kid's football is 324 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: best days are a hit at him. So that's why 325 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of Ogilari. I think his 326 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: best days are hit him and you just really you 327 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: saw that light start to turn on week by week 328 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: by week. Limited Giant season tickets are on sale now 329 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: for the season. In addition to ticket savings, membership benefits 330 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. 331 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: You can lock in your seat starting at just one 332 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: hundred bucks called eight n YG five or visit Giants 333 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets for more information. Hey Giant fans, 334 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: get a New York Giants checking account. 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They move up to select him, 346 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: and when you watch him on tape, if you want 347 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: to press corner to play the swot, I'm not sure 348 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: there's a better guy in this class you could have picked, 349 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: because that's pretty much all he does, right, Yeah, yeah, 350 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: it really impressive play slot and then also outside as well. 351 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the more impressive players 352 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: down at the Senior Bowl. Just thinking about of all 353 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: the defensive bad prospects down at in Mobile, I think 354 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: he was one that definitely did stand out. Um. I mean, 355 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: you can watch him in any game last season. He 356 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: was really impressive, very physical. That's something that you noticed 357 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: about him as well, outstanding against the run, that shot 358 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: at all to come up and tackle, which is something 359 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: that you know Dave Geedlman does love and something that 360 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: he's talked about glowingly as far as some players that 361 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: they have signed and the drafted in years past. So 362 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: I think with Robinson though, he's a player that you 363 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: can play him on the outside or you can play 364 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: him on the inside, just depending on where you want 365 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: to see him contribute at contribute at immediately. But we 366 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: know they hit a home run the James Bradbury signing 367 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: a year ago. So just adding a guy like Aaron Robinson, 368 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: he can give you insurance, said a lot of different places. Yeah, 369 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that I noticed, I'd like 370 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: to get your take on it. He's a very physical player. 371 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: You like that if you're gonna play bumping, room and press. 372 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: But in the NFL, once you get past that five 373 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: yard mark, those flags start flying. And I even thought, 374 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: not just on tape, but the Senior Bowl too. You 375 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: mentioned he was very, very handy. I thought when guys 376 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: got down the field on him, did you see that too, 377 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: and one of the things he can work on to 378 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: try to clean that up. Yeah, it's just a learning 379 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: curve for him as far as some things that he 380 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: was able to get away with. And it's really hard 381 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: to let up off of guys, especially when you kind 382 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: of have them in your grasp initially you kind of 383 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: do you want to do with call finishing them, So 384 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: just not letting them off the line at all, and 385 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: that's something that he's gonna have to learn. He could 386 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: be a little bit of a flag magnet early early on. 387 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: They're probably gonna put the block Boston glows on him 388 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: in practice, just so he can't grab so much. That's 389 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: something that's popular with defensive back coaches across the league, 390 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: especially when you have a young quarterback. Cornerback is really anzy. 391 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: The Boston gloves just prevent him from grabbing initially at 392 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: the point of it's at off the line of scrimmer. 393 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: So that's something we could see them do with him. 394 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: But you know, down the fielder does become a little 395 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: bit of a problem. But it's just a matter if 396 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm just trusting this technique a little bit more, and 397 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: it just comes with reps honestly, John, and I think 398 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: as he continuously gets more rips throughout training camp and 399 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: throughout preseason and then eventually in the regular season, I 400 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: think it's something he'll become more comfortable with. Yeah, and 401 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: I think the way he compliments Darnay Holmes is interesting 402 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: to use the fourth round pick on Holmes last year, 403 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: also a slot player, and I do think their skills 404 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: actually do compliment each other pretty well, right, Yeah, And 405 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: Darnay was another guy who really stood out at the 406 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl a year ago. And you notice that they're 407 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: starting to put together really aggressive secondary And we know 408 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: with these talented wide receiver corps in the NFC East, 409 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be going up against guys like 410 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: Devonte Smith now Terry McLaurin as well. So there's a 411 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: lot of different as as far as skill sets and 412 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: diversity throughout the division that you're gonna see periodically. And 413 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: also what you notice is that they play inside and 414 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: also outside, so you have to have some very talented 415 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: players in both areas across the formation of where you're 416 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: able to depend upon all those guys. So Robinson is 417 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a welcome addition to the second year all right, 418 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: let's go to the fourth round. Another guy that I 419 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: thought had a really nice senior bo Ellison Smith. We 420 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: saw his teammate to Spencer Brown out there. But Smith, 421 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: to me is a guy where you're just betting on 422 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: continued growth, right. I think he gained fifty to sixty 423 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: pounds worth the muscle, or a weight at least on 424 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: the phos on muscle when he went to Northern Iowa, 425 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: showed up as a wide receiver, play defensive end long 426 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: you know live he can get around the edge. You 427 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: know you t'bably not gonna use them on first and 428 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: second down on the goal line anytime soon. But this 429 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: is a guy that is a pass rusher's body. Jordan's 430 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: what are some of the things he needs you think 431 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: he needs to clean up and improve on to continue 432 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: to improve to take that next step into the NFL. Well, 433 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be what's called a DPR early on, 434 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: which is just a designated pass rusher. You probably just 435 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: want to use them on third down initially, just because 436 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: he is a little bit light right now. I think 437 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: he weighed in at a round two hundred and fifty 438 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: hundred fifty five pounds at his pro day, so which 439 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: is much heavier than what he was initially throughout the season. 440 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: Didn't see him play at all last year just because 441 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: of COVID and Northern Iowa have in their season canceled. 442 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: But I thought he did a really good job of 443 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: really kind of selling himself at the pro day, and 444 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: he was outstanding as far as the numbers that he 445 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: did have. I think he jumped like forty one and 446 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: a half in the vertical um and then ran in 447 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: the four sevens if I'm not mistaken, So really impressive 448 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: output for him, and that's something that you want to see, 449 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: especially from a player that we didn't see at all 450 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: last year, which I think is gonna hurt him little bit, 451 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: especially when you talk about a player that's a little 452 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: bit on the lighter side and then um one that 453 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: you want to see him get better as far as 454 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: his development. But similar to Robinson, I think he's another 455 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: player that's only going to get better as he gets 456 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: more exposure to playing time. So I don't think he's 457 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: gonna be used a lot on first and second down 458 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: just because he's so light. He does get cleared out 459 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: as far as the edge a little bit more than 460 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: you're liking Um just because he is a little bit light. 461 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't really have a lot of ground to stand 462 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: on right now. But as he continues to gain weight, Um, 463 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: and then you start to use him a little bit more, 464 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: and he shows himself on third down and earn some 465 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: first and second down snaps, I think he's only going 466 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: to get better. Yeah. You mentioned um his ability at 467 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: the senior bowing his pro day percentile to the relative 468 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: athletic score you know, rating system for guys dating back 469 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: to seven off the edge, so really good athletic testing. 470 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: When you watched him in college, generally, how did he 471 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: win on his pass rushes? When he did win? Was 472 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: he more of an outside guy? Did he have inside moves? 473 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: How did he generally went on his pass rush? Well, 474 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: it was a combination of a lot of things. I 475 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: think he was absolutely the best athlete on the field. 476 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: So what you noticed is that he did a lot 477 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: of what I like to call out athleting people that 478 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: just means just yeah. So he he was the best 479 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: player on his high school team, and he's just running 480 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: all over the field athlete and everybody. That's a similar 481 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: thing that you see on the FCS level, where he 482 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: wasn't using his hands a whole bunch. He was just 483 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: running as fast as he could of the apex of 484 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: the pocket and then just turning the corner and just 485 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: absolutely closing on the quarterback before those offensive tagles could 486 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: even get a hand on him. So that's something that 487 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: you notice a lot with him. Now he needs to 488 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: take that next step in his development of where he 489 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: has to go to move and then once he gets 490 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: that go to move, now it's established a second and 491 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: the third moving, then let's do what's called just having 492 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: answers to offensive apples that are going to start to 493 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: get their hands on him. So that's the next step 494 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: of his development and in the next level that you 495 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: want to see unlocked with him. All right, let's go 496 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: to the two sixth round picks. You have Gary Brightwell 497 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: out of Arizona. They talked about him a lot of 498 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: the special teams player in their in their press conference. 499 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: Finally got that full time job at Arizona as a senior. 500 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on him, is he a guy that you 501 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: think could eventually break into the running back mix or 502 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: do you think he's mostly one of these you know, 503 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: do everything core special teams player, which by the way 504 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: he could find him a room a spot on an 505 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: NFL team for a real long time. I think it's 506 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: initially gonna have to come as a special teams guy, 507 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: just because we know what's sa Kwan. He's gonna be 508 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: the bona fide guy at the top of the depth chart, 509 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: and there just isn't a lot of carries or even 510 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: recent receptions for him anywhere, especially now factor in can 511 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Darius Tony and Kenny Gala Day as well. There's just 512 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: not a lot of football is there for him. The 513 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: Giants are very deep as long as along their wide 514 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: receiver corps, and then you have what I like to 515 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: call the alien coming back in the backfield with Kwon Barkley. 516 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: So there just isn't a lot of touches for him 517 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: right now. So it's probably gonna have to come on 518 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: special teams initially, and not just as a returner. I 519 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: mean he can be on every single unit as well. 520 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way to show and gain the coach's 521 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: respect of where he can take over those Wayne Golment 522 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: snaps that we saw from a year ago. So maybe 523 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: he can get that that running back to a running 524 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: back three spot eventually, you know, where Darius Williams is interesting. 525 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: He's a guy that set the UM Oklahoma state record 526 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: for consecutive starts with forty eight. He started every year, 527 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: he is there all four years. Why do you think 528 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: he slid to the sixth round? Giving his level experience, 529 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: look at some of the underlying metrics in his senior 530 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: year he played really well, you're just your thoughts on 531 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: what you saw from him on tape and why he 532 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: made it to the sixth round. Well, I think the 533 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: biggest thing is probably his age. I think there was 534 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: a lot of teams that a lot of teams that 535 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: probably weren't comfortable with him being a twenty five year 536 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: old rookie. That probably eliminated him a lot from a 537 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: lot of teams boards just because there's a lot of teams, 538 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: especially ones that are more analytically driven, that really lacked 539 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: those younger players one or twenty two years old that's 540 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: really in their neighborhood. So him being twenty five, I 541 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: think that probably eliminated him off of a lot of boards. 542 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: But as far as a player, very intriguing player, as 543 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: far as a late round guy, I think he's very 544 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: polished in his technique. I think he needs to get 545 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: a little bit better as far as exiting phase and 546 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: then turning and running and remaining sticky with why receivers 547 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: down the sideline. That's something that you want to see 548 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: with him do a little bit better. Um, his production 549 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: could have been a little bit better too. As far 550 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: as interceptions, he had a ton of dropped interceptions on 551 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: tape of where his stats could have looked much better. 552 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: But he had a lot of past deflections and a 553 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: lot of past defense. That's what you noticed about the 554 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: status of where he just wasn't finishing. So just the 555 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: combination of being able to finish place with interceptions or 556 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: turnovers and then his age I think factored into a lot. 557 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: All Jordan, two more questions for you. One and this 558 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy, but I've actually gotten mail bad 559 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: questions from Giants dot com about this. So I have 560 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: to ask somebody that that knows what they're talking about 561 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: next year's draft class. Do you have any idea where 562 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: the strengths are Giants fans are all excited they get 563 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: your first round picks, so what should they start thinking 564 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: about about a year out from the draft. So I 565 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: haven't studied any of the cornerback or quarterbacks. He accuse me. Um, 566 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: I haven't studied pretty much any guys at all right now, 567 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: but just looking over some of the notes, of course, 568 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: I think edge rusher is definitely one that is very 569 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: deep right now, um. And I think cornerback is one 570 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: that would be very deep as well, just looking at 571 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: some of the names and then some of the standout 572 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: sophomores that I've seen on my list. So edge rusher 573 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: and cornerback or two that I think are really expected 574 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: to be really deep. Take two premium positions. Can't go 575 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: wrong with that. And now, finally, you mentioned at the 576 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: start of the show, so an interview, I guess I 577 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: should ask you this too. NFC East, Now, man, I mean, 578 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: this thing's wild. Every year you haven't had a repeat winner, 579 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: and more than fifteen years back when Donovan McNabb and 580 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: Andy redid it with the Eagles, going back that far. 581 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on what this division is gonna look like 582 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: this year and what the giants chances are we don't know. 583 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: That's the great thing about it, John, Like you said, 584 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: there's no there hasn't been a repeat champion and a 585 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: long long time. Washington looks really good on paper as 586 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: far as their defense, They've had a really nice offseason 587 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: they wanted last year, So I think Philly is a 588 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: bit of a rebuilding mode, trying to turn over their 589 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: roster a little bit. I think Dallas is going to 590 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: be better now that Dak Prescott is back, and then 591 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: they have some some more arsenal things that they have 592 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: added to the arsenal. But I think the Giants are 593 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: in really good standing. It's just a matter of that 594 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: next step with Daniel Jones. I think that's really what 595 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: this next season really is going to be heavily heavily 596 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: relied upon. Just can he take that next step? Can 597 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: he limit the turnovers and can he figure out a 598 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: way to distribute the ball to these plethora weapons that 599 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: David Gettlman has really offered him at at his disposal. 600 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: So I think the Giants can be in contingent. I 601 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: think the defense is going to be better. I like 602 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: what Patrick Graham is able to do last year. I 603 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: think he's surprised a lot of people with the at 604 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: the output that he was able to get from this defense. 605 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: So I really like what they have added on that 606 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: side of the football um and then the offensive additions 607 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: that they have made as well, but it all comes 608 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: down to number eight if he can take that next 609 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: step and giant fans looking forward to seeing Jordan awesome stuff. 610 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: Tell the folks where they can find you on Twitter 611 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: and where they can find your work and everything you 612 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: guys are doing over there at the Draft Network. Yeah, 613 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: so you can find me on Twitter at Jordan's Underscore. 614 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: Read that j O R D A N Underscore r 615 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: e I A D. You can find my work on 616 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: the Draft net Work dot com. We're gonna reset our 617 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: my draft simulator probably in the next week or so 618 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: for those of you that want to go ahead and 619 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: get started. You don't want to waste any time, so 620 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: you are able to do that. We have recap articles 621 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: coming out every day as far as every draft class, 622 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: and then there's plenty of other stuff that's going up 623 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: every day as well, So go check that out at 624 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: the Draft network dot com. Yeah, and guys, we've had 625 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: their writers and analysts on all year, Kyle Crabs, Jo Marino, 626 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: Benja Been so Lock, Drevor Secama. The guys do a 627 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: great job. Make sure you go check it out. Jordan's 628 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: stay safe, my friend. Please get some rest before you 629 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: start looking at that tape. Please absolutely, I'm gonna take 630 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the month of May off and then get back at 631 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: it in June. Thanks so much for having me get 632 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: that out of man Coln vacation, have a good time. 633 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: That's another episode of The john S Little Podcast. For 634 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: joining read On'm John Trumble. Thank you for joining us. 635 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: As a reminder, it's on The John's Podcast and were 636 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: presented by Investors Bank. We'll see you next time. Everybody, 637 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us.