Speaker 1: Digs in motion from right to left. Alan In the
Speaker 1: shot gun takes a snap. Poor man look looks right
Speaker 1: throughth like sideline.
Speaker 2: The acept it again by Jordan whitehad he's got a
Speaker 2: hat stick Jordan White hand with his third pick of
Speaker 2: the knife.
Speaker 1: The Jets get the takeaway at the four yard line,
Speaker 1: second down and goal. Zack Wilson drops back love left
Speaker 1: for Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3: Gor here the Jackie's got it.
Speaker 2: That's the get clutch down, get red Wilson. What an
Speaker 2: awful lavable self tip the one handed stack and the
Speaker 2: Jets horre a point after away from a tie.
Speaker 1: Robert slip really call time out. The snap, the placement down,
Speaker 1: the kick is on the way, It's got plenty of distance.
Speaker 4: It hits the upright and go through.
Speaker 2: It's gone. Tyler Fans hit the left right and got
Speaker 2: the right, Carol.
Speaker 1: It snuck through the forks and we are tied with
Speaker 1: two seconds to go. He snap and getting away a
Speaker 1: line drive kicking. Sam Martin gives some runs under it
Speaker 1: at the jet thirty five starts to his left, gets
Speaker 1: to the forty, turns the corner hat the forty five.
Speaker 2: Thinking flock is it gon not the forty pp the
Speaker 2: pills thirties picks out the twenty step A step to.
Speaker 4: The time to the five touchdown. It's a Jet touchdown.
Speaker 4: This game is over. Roll a waiter and Monday Night Football.
Speaker 4: Climpton's gonna take this.
Speaker 2: We're back sixty through look for the touchdown.
Speaker 1: One of the last players to make the Jet roster
Speaker 1: out of training camp just took.
Speaker 2: It to the house to wait it over.
Speaker 4: Time for the Jets.
Speaker 3: Boba Susan and Marty Lyons Jets Radio. It started out
Speaker 3: as the most anticipated night in the history of the
Speaker 3: New York Jets, before quickly turning into maybe the biggest
Speaker 3: nightmare the organization has ever faced, playing out on prime
Speaker 3: time to the horror of me and countless other Jets
Speaker 3: fans who are still processing with the fallout of what
Speaker 3: certainly seems like the end of the road for Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers in twenty twenty three after suffering a torn Achilles
Speaker 3: tendon or that's the fear here on the fourth snap
Speaker 3: of the game. Almost impossible to think about it, but
Speaker 3: that is the reality of the situation. And to the
Speaker 3: credit of the Jets and their coaching staff and that team,
Speaker 3: they battled back and at least could call it a
Speaker 3: pyrrhic victory, but it was something that I'll always remember.
Speaker 4: Twenty two to sixteen overtime win on.
Speaker 3: Over the rival Bills, with Xavier Gibson taken back the
Speaker 3: punt return sixty five yards to the house. Dan Hans
Speaker 3: is here with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Oh what
Speaker 3: a roller coaster. I mean a roller coaster. They haven't
Speaker 3: invented the ride yet. Boys to properly explain the feeling
Speaker 3: that I have right now, but yeah, that's life, that's sports.
Speaker 5: It is sports, and it's like it even as a
Speaker 5: non Jets fans. It's a weird moment to process it
Speaker 5: as a football fan and watching this because actually, as
Speaker 5: I walked up the stairs an NFL that work, I
Speaker 5: hadn't seen the postgame press conference, and it felt like
Speaker 5: such a special moment for the Jets because it's everything
Speaker 5: that sports is. It's brutal that Rogers left so quickly
Speaker 5: and frustrating, and you want to just curse the gods,
Speaker 5: and you're watching Zach Wilson and you're so angry about that,
Speaker 5: and then the game ended up being just the stupid
Speaker 5: performance by Josh Allen and this beautiful performance by the Jets,
Speaker 5: and they end up winning on that special teams and
Speaker 5: their defense and their offense and even Breese Hall coming back,
Speaker 5: and it actually felt kind of amazing and beautiful, even
Speaker 5: if Robert Salas says he wanted to enjoy it. And
Speaker 5: by the time I walked upstairs, you hear Robert sala
Speaker 5: basically confirm the worst and that they expect it to
Speaker 5: be confirmed. And you're kind of right back where you started.
Speaker 5: He says he's going to enjoy it tonight, But I
Speaker 5: know it's gonna be hard for Jets fans, for you too, Dan.
Speaker 6: I mean from a holistic team angle, and we learned
Speaker 6: about the Jets and who they are so much over
Speaker 6: the past month and a half. You just look at
Speaker 6: like what Jordan Whitehead did tonight and Quincy Williams and
Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson's absolutely incredible touchdown grab, like there's so much
Speaker 6: hope inside this organization kind of no matter what. But
Speaker 6: like I walked up those steps today too, and I
Speaker 6: walked up the with Dan and like, I'm just like,
Speaker 6: we it's so it's so absurd to me, Dan, like
Speaker 6: conversation we had where we're just like this is this
Speaker 6: we've been you have been through so much with the Jets,
Speaker 6: and like I went through with the Browns in my
Speaker 6: own way, and like we were like, tonight will be different.
Speaker 6: It has to be because of so many factors that
Speaker 6: suggest that, and I don't know, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 6: the other events of this game, because I like, I'm
Speaker 6: a note taker and so I'm like taking endless notes
Speaker 6: about what's happening on snap after snap, and it's like
Speaker 6: the minute what happened to Aaron Rodgers, you know, after
Speaker 6: he's like essentially bulldoze three snaps in a row and
Speaker 6: then he's gone. It's like I don't, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's like, cool, your house burned down. Then the ice
Speaker 6: cream man drove up and gave you a free snow cone.
Speaker 6: But it's like, it's a nice victory for the Jets.
Speaker 6: It says a lot about who they are. But I
Speaker 6: don't think that if you're like, the guy that gave
Speaker 6: the middle finger is basically all of all of football
Speaker 6: fans that have been through a tough time.
Speaker 7: And I feel for you, Dan.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that market and I did think about that
Speaker 3: conversation as well.
Speaker 4: After we finished the podcast. In the NFL Plus taping.
Speaker 3: We walked up the steps and headed out towards the
Speaker 3: parking lot and we're talking and you asked me how
Speaker 3: I was feeling about the game, and I was having
Speaker 3: a lot of anxiety about it and it was building.
Speaker 3: And I said this to Colleen on the end of
Speaker 3: the Hard Knocks run, that the excitement wasn't there as
Speaker 3: much as just this feeling that I had, knowing the
Speaker 3: way things go as a fan of the Jets, that
Speaker 3: like the summer, and that's how I kind of said
Speaker 3: it on the show. The summer was special, and people
Speaker 3: got annoyed with me and got annoyed with the coverage
Speaker 3: of the Jets, but I like savored every moment of
Speaker 3: the summer and the spring and the hype around the
Speaker 3: team because A it didn't happen a lot. It hasn't
Speaker 3: happened a lot with this team, and B I knew
Speaker 3: from experience that these things they don't tend to always
Speaker 3: work out. And you know, of course, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go on the on the show last week and say
Speaker 3: that Jests are gonna win the super Bowl because that's
Speaker 3: the type of fan I am. I always hope for
Speaker 3: the best, but that annoying anxiety that I had was
Speaker 3: the very real feeling that something was gonna happen. And
Speaker 3: I said it to you Mark this afternoon. This morning,
Speaker 3: I said, I can I'll be okay if this season
Speaker 3: ends with Rogers not playing at a high level and
Speaker 3: the Jets being a disappointment. And then, but at least
Speaker 3: you took a shot, and it made sense. The logic
Speaker 3: checked out, as I said over and over this summer,
Speaker 3: the logic checks out that this is a big time team.
Speaker 3: What I wouldn't be able to live with is something
Speaker 3: bad happening, an injury early on happening, and damn it
Speaker 3: if it's not a torn achilles. And let me tell
Speaker 3: you something about torn achilles, because that's something that is
Speaker 3: personal to me as well.
Speaker 4: This summer, I.
Speaker 3: Was with my father on vacation in Texas and watched
Speaker 3: him tear his achilles right in front of me. And
Speaker 3: I watched the way he limped to the car after
Speaker 3: it happened.
Speaker 4: And I learned that.
Speaker 3: Day that oh, you could tear your achilles and still walk,
Speaker 3: you just have a bad limp. And I saw him
Speaker 3: get off that cart in a bad limp, and I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, God, is that what it could be.
Speaker 3: And then when you heard the chefter reporting and the
Speaker 3: talk about the calf ripple that.
Speaker 4: It just felt, you know, it felt bad.
Speaker 3: And then I started texting the Insiders Ian and Mike
Speaker 3: g and I was asking for you know, tell me
Speaker 3: some good news, and and Garafalo, who is a really
Speaker 3: good guy and he knows that, you know, I'm a
Speaker 3: New York, New Jersey guy, and I said, I said
Speaker 3: to Mike, sorry, I got a lot of text tonight.
Speaker 3: I said to Mike at seven fourteen, tell me it's
Speaker 3: not over, and he wrote, I can't uh, and he was.
Speaker 4: He was at the scene tonight.
Speaker 3: And the Achilles is also a conversation I had hours
Speaker 3: before the kickoff. I was texting with some family from
Speaker 3: back home, fellow torture Jets fans, and I said, even
Speaker 3: though you know, in terms of anticipation and excitement for
Speaker 3: the Jets, nothing's ever gonna top when you're young, So
Speaker 3: I'll for me the nineteen ninety nine season when they
Speaker 3: were coming off the AFC title game appearance, and they
Speaker 3: had parcels and Belichick and Elway had retired, and Vinnie
Speaker 3: was there a top quarterback and Keishaan was there, and
Speaker 3: the idea of that season was the Jets were the
Speaker 3: favorites to go to the Super Bowl. They played the
Speaker 3: Patriots in Week one and Vinnie Testaverdi dropped back on
Speaker 3: a handoff. The snap led to a fumble. On the handoff,
Speaker 3: he lurched forward toward the ball, and he tore his
Speaker 3: achilles tendon in Week one game one of the most
Speaker 3: hotly anticipated Jets season of that decade.
Speaker 4: For it to happen the.
Speaker 3: Same injury the same week of the season, after the same,
Speaker 3: if not more so hype, I'm not feeling sorry for
Speaker 3: myself and Jets fans. No, it's hard not to feel
Speaker 3: sorry for yourselves and feel like you're cursed. And then
Speaker 3: you got to deal with a night of Twitter of
Speaker 3: people just making bits and jokes and like. But it's
Speaker 3: almost impossible to think that that happened and tonight and
Speaker 3: I'm still processing as we as we talk.
Speaker 4: Right now, and I think I've been talking for like
Speaker 4: five minutes.
Speaker 3: And I apologize, But it's almost possible that that happened tonight.
Speaker 5: No, I wasn't texting, but I don't. I don't think
Speaker 5: you need to hear it. I almost feel like you
Speaker 5: don't need to hear from Mark and I too much
Speaker 5: on this show.
Speaker 4: Thing.
Speaker 5: If someone had told us, if somebody had told us
Speaker 5: four hours ago exactly what would happen in the next
Speaker 5: four hours, it just would not have believe it.
Speaker 3: And I'll say one more thing, and this is that
Speaker 3: I didn't choose to be a Jets fan. I was
Speaker 3: born into it. I couldn't opt out of it if
Speaker 3: I wanted to. And again, people that listen to the
Speaker 3: show get annoyed that Dan talks about the Jets too much.
Speaker 4: You know, they they're.
Speaker 3: Either not relevant or now they're relevant, and he still
Speaker 3: talks about him too much. Well, that's just the way
Speaker 3: it is. That's why I do what I do. That's
Speaker 3: how I fell in love with sports, because I fell
Speaker 3: in love with the New York teams and the Jets
Speaker 3: and football.
Speaker 4: They are my.
Speaker 3: Team and I'm just living through it. And I got
Speaker 3: to say that, like as crushing as tonight is watching
Speaker 3: and I was catatonic. Boys, I literally when the when
Speaker 3: it happened, and you knew it was serious right away
Speaker 3: just by the way he reacted.
Speaker 4: I didn't speak for two hours maybe.
Speaker 3: And thank you, as my wife brings me a Tito's
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's legal, but I'm having one
Speaker 3: right now deserved.
Speaker 4: I would say, I think that's legal.
Speaker 5: What was were your was your family members?
Speaker 4: Your kids?
Speaker 3: Emily, so the kids, the kids after the injury, and
Speaker 3: Daddy got really intense and quiet.
Speaker 4: They fleed the scene.
Speaker 3: Emily, who's a big Hard Knocks fan and was super
Speaker 3: excited to watch this season the Jets with me this year,
Speaker 3: she was she went and was, you know, making dinner
Speaker 3: for the kids, and I just watched the game in silence.
Speaker 3: And you know, the way the game played out with
Speaker 3: the Jets falling behind, see not having a backup plan
Speaker 3: at all for Zach Wilson, and seeing how that game
Speaker 3: plan was unfolding. You have Peyton Manning come on at
Speaker 3: halftime and say, you know, I got to you know,
Speaker 3: he couldn't even muster as a broadcaster, like any reason
Speaker 3: to continue watching the fact that they were able to
Speaker 3: get back into the game, and when they tie the game,
Speaker 3: and then now my sons are back in the living
Speaker 3: room with me and my wife and and in my dog,
Speaker 3: who's sensing a lot of energy and excitement, and then
Speaker 3: the field goal hits the upright and of course it
Speaker 3: drops over the crossbar, and then for that punt, the
Speaker 3: release and the happiness in my house tonight, and the
Speaker 3: celebration of lifting up my kids and lifting up my
Speaker 3: dog and then us all collapsing together on the couch,
Speaker 3: Like that's that's what sports is. And like the season
Speaker 3: is lost, like the Jets, this is gonna be another year.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fifty five years without a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But I think I kind of learned something tonight about
Speaker 3: like why I love sports, and because it's those moments.
Speaker 3: It's like those special moments. So the season might not
Speaker 3: end in a special way, and I've already and every
Speaker 3: Jets fans more or less resigned themselves to that, but
Speaker 3: you got tonight, and tonight was a special game on
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. And my last kind of comment is, like,
Speaker 3: you can't take away what happened with Xavier Gibson there.
Speaker 3: You can't take away Aaron Rodgers running out of that
Speaker 3: tunnel with the American flag on the twenty second anniversary
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, Like those are two of my favorite
Speaker 3: moments sports moments that I've ever had. The fact that
Speaker 3: it happened on this and that maybe the most crushing
Speaker 3: night in Jets history. I mean, it's it's it's Greek
Speaker 3: tragedy or whatever you want to call it, but it was.
Speaker 4: It was a wild night here. It really was.
Speaker 5: It really well said, and I think it does really
Speaker 5: get to what sports is. Like I was trying to
Speaker 5: say it, and you said it much more artfully, like
Speaker 5: that that moment was special, that there was something, and like,
Speaker 5: that's that's why we watch everything. And then you hear
Speaker 5: sala after the game. I guess we've gone on long enough.
Speaker 5: Let's let's hear Robert Salah talk to the media about
Speaker 5: Rogers is good?
Speaker 3: How do you process your emotions right now?
Speaker 1: Justly a great win for you guys, But the Aron.
Speaker 8: Injury, Uh, that part sucks. I'm gonna enjoy this win.
Speaker 8: Winning in the NFL is hard, regardless of what the
Speaker 8: quarterback is personally. I don't hurt for me, I don't
Speaker 8: hurt for our locker room. I heard for Aaron and
Speaker 8: how much he's invested in all of this.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: So I'm still gonna say prayer, I'm still gonna hold
Speaker 8: that home. But uh, you know, my my, my heart's
Speaker 8: with Aaron right now and nowhere else.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Like, by the way, I'm so oppressed with Robert Salad,
Speaker 5: not just as a coach, but just as a guy.
Speaker 5: How he answers these questions. He also, to start, didn't
Speaker 5: beat around the bush, basically said, you know, he thinks
Speaker 5: it's bad and and they'll wait tomorrow to have that confirm.
Speaker 5: But to have his team play that says a lot.
Speaker 5: And he raised a good point. As as much as
Speaker 5: it sucks for everyone involved, man, it sucks for Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers who's turning forty later this year and is an
Speaker 5: all time great and has provided so many moments for
Speaker 5: us as fans, and he was so excited about this opportunity.
Speaker 5: Was really however it was going to turn out, it
Speaker 5: was gonna be fascinating in a totally different experience for him,
Speaker 5: and for him to have it cut short like it is,
Speaker 5: it is just brutal, and you feel for him.
Speaker 6: The one thing though, I'd say, to your point, Dan,
Speaker 6: I love what you said in like, you know, like
Speaker 6: some of these teams that goes through the darkest moments,
Speaker 6: like they wind up in really mysterious, unexpected places.
Speaker 7: I told you today about.
Speaker 6: That Steelers team that lost fifty one nothing out of
Speaker 6: the gate and lost like thirty five nothing the next week,
Speaker 6: It's like this might be the worst team in football.
Speaker 6: And they went on and Damashek and I to talk
Speaker 6: about the Steelers team to have one of the most
Speaker 6: like incredible journeys. They weren't great, but they were the
Speaker 6: most lovable team of that entire season. And I'm saying
Speaker 6: that about a Steelers team. It's just like the one
Speaker 6: thing I took away from the rest of the game
Speaker 6: tonight is like a week or team just collapses.
Speaker 7: You want like the whole.
Speaker 6: It seemed like Aaron Rodgers during Hard Knocks was like
Speaker 6: obviously the poll star, the sun. Everything's shown around him,
Speaker 6: maybe the only true adult almost in a way, and
Speaker 6: it's like they looked up to him so much. But
Speaker 6: then the way they responded tonight and to do what
Speaker 6: they did to the Bills, there's still a lot going
Speaker 6: on with his team, and I get it, like the
Speaker 6: expectations are totally different, but it still remains the Jets
Speaker 6: in the future of the Jets and who they are,
Speaker 6: and like they're well coached, and like I think of
Speaker 6: both New York coaches what they've gone through this week
Speaker 6: and it's like I have a lot of faith in
Speaker 6: Robert Sala to.
Speaker 7: Like continue to guide this journey.
Speaker 6: I just do, and I kind of think, like it's
Speaker 6: not gonna It takes everything away from a Jets fan
Speaker 6: to to have what happened the first five six minutes
Speaker 6: of this game. But it's like football's weird, and maybe
Speaker 6: what comes out of this and what's birth, it's like
Speaker 6: the true Jets team. That's just thet It's just.
Speaker 7: The one little kernel of hope I put in there
Speaker 7: that like there.
Speaker 6: May be this other journey that we didn't expect and
Speaker 6: it might be the most special path there could be.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love the idea of it. Mark,
Speaker 4: I see the way.
Speaker 3: And this is the other thing that you know, I
Speaker 3: said numerous points in the spring and summer that I
Speaker 3: was never comfortable that Zach Wilson was just like plopped
Speaker 3: in at the number two quarterback spot because it was
Speaker 3: an older quarterback, because he had failed so spectacularly. And
Speaker 3: I did sense at the and I understand it, like
Speaker 3: nobody could have imagined that the horror of what happened
Speaker 3: there on that first drive. But you saw the way
Speaker 3: Nate Hackett was just staring at that play sheet, just
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what to use. They were not
Speaker 3: ready to deal with the Zach Wilson of it all.
Speaker 3: And I know he made a couple throws in this game.
Speaker 3: I'll cycle back to that ninety nine season again, because
Speaker 3: as the great Chris Westling, I'd love to hear from
Speaker 3: west tonight. By the way, the Great Chris Chris Westling
Speaker 3: often said, history is instructive. The Jets, shell shocked after
Speaker 3: Vinnie Blue's achilles, turned to Rick Meyer, another former first
Speaker 3: round pick who washed out of Seattle, and he floundered
Speaker 3: for multiple leaks weeks, and they eventually turned to a
Speaker 3: kind of a gadget quarterback named Ray Lucas who with
Speaker 3: a lot of grit. I think they won six of
Speaker 3: their last nine games, and they went eight to eight
Speaker 3: that season. And Rich Simini, who covers the Jets and
Speaker 3: knows Jets history better than anyone is, often wrote like,
Speaker 3: and Bill Parcells has set himself like that was his
Speaker 3: greatest coaching job. Was like getting that team after how
Speaker 3: crushing and how devastating Week one was to just compete
Speaker 3: and believe in themselves again and be a team that
Speaker 3: hung in games week after week. I think that's really
Speaker 3: like realistically for me, given that they don't have a
Speaker 3: Kurt Warner on this roster that I know of. It
Speaker 3: is this idea of kind of leaning on this defense
Speaker 3: in this running game and and finding a way to
Speaker 3: hang around in the playoff race. They got to win today,
Speaker 3: and that would that defines success. Now you have to
Speaker 3: recalibrate that. And if the Jets would have lost twenty
Speaker 3: four to three tonight, I don't think anybody would have
Speaker 3: been surprised. I don't think anybody would even been down
Speaker 3: on the Jets because from where.
Speaker 5: They waste to three, I had no belief that they
Speaker 5: were going to come back.
Speaker 3: In this guy, I have so much, like I have
Speaker 3: so much admiration as you guys are saying, for the
Speaker 3: job of these players who just decided that they weren't
Speaker 3: going to be sad sacks here and just be part
Speaker 3: of this like incredibly frankly sad moment in the history
Speaker 3: of the organization. And they made it a special night
Speaker 3: for those eighty thousand people in the stadium who were
Speaker 3: just as shell shocked and people like me watching at home.
Speaker 4: Should we talk a little bit about the bill side
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you want to get into the jet.
Speaker 5: I do want to talk to the bill side in
Speaker 5: the game at some point. But while we're talking about
Speaker 5: the season ahead, the question's gonna quickly turn to if
Speaker 5: not Zack Wilson, and I know it'll be Zach Wilson
Speaker 5: next week, and they're gonna want Zack Wilson to work.
Speaker 5: But tonight was disturbing like he looked, he looked mostly
Speaker 5: like he.
Speaker 6: And I was disturbing on so many levels right well,
Speaker 6: the sty whispers of Carson Wentz.
Speaker 5: His performance was disturbing, and I know he made a
Speaker 5: couple throws later. But there was all the Zach Wilson stuff.
Speaker 5: There was the staring down interception. There was running backwards.
Speaker 5: I counted twenty nine yards behind the line of scrimmage
Speaker 5: on a screen pass. There was this crazy stuff. And
Speaker 5: everything you said about the eight and eight team I hear.
Speaker 5: But then I see this Jets defense which made Josh
Speaker 5: Allen look like a fool. Four turnovers, eight quarterback hits,
Speaker 5: everything that they do, and that this could be the
Speaker 5: very best defense in the league. And then you saw
Speaker 5: Brees Hall tonight. What a special surprise, what a special player.
Speaker 5: Then you see here at Wilson make one of the
Speaker 5: catches of all time on a bad Zach Wilson throw
Speaker 5: that he turned into each other, and you think, what
Speaker 5: a special player, And you think these players deserve more
Speaker 5: than Zach Wilson. And there are opportunities out there for
Speaker 5: an organization that is kind of all in and salary
Speaker 5: cap wise and all that stuff, and draft picks, like
Speaker 5: I would be willing to give up some sort of
Speaker 5: draft pick or something for a veteran that's better now,
Speaker 5: whether that's a free agent like Carson Wentz, whether that's
Speaker 5: a mid round pick for pick a name Jacoby Brissett,
Speaker 5: Jamis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater. I know these aren't gonna get
Speaker 5: Jets fans excited, but I look at this roster and
Speaker 5: I think with a quarterback, maybe at that level, this
Speaker 5: is a team that can go out and compete every
Speaker 5: week and maybe make the playoffs and serve those other
Speaker 5: players better than sixteen weeks of Zack Wilson might. And
Speaker 5: it has to be a conversation in the Jets' front
Speaker 5: office in the next few.
Speaker 3: D the ceiling, yeah, the ceiling to me with as
Speaker 3: currently constituted this roster, Zach Wilson is about eight wins,
Speaker 3: and I agree with you, like it would be a
Speaker 3: shame to waste another year of this defense being all
Speaker 3: together and being as talented they are, and potentially special
Speaker 3: running game with Breeze Hall, who still hasn't even Breeze
Speaker 3: Hall yet. I mean the fact that he got run
Speaker 3: down from behind on eighty three yards, that that was
Speaker 3: telling he was not getting caught last year. Even that
Speaker 3: first initial run to the left side where he picked
Speaker 3: up about twenty you could tell he's not all the
Speaker 3: way back, and you just hope as the season goes
Speaker 3: along he does get all the way back, like I
Speaker 3: hear you, and I wonder. I just I get frustrated
Speaker 3: because this was always a possibility. This wasn't a remote possibility.
Speaker 3: There was always a decent chance that you would need
Speaker 3: your number two quarterback to step in. And I just
Speaker 3: think they had this very cute, in my mind plan,
Speaker 3: which was Zach Wilson will sit behind Aaron Rodgers for
Speaker 3: one to three years, and then he will hand the
Speaker 3: reins over in twenty twenty six, and then he will
Speaker 3: he will fulfill his destiny as a good draft pick
Speaker 3: by the Jets. And I think They've left themselves very
Speaker 3: vulnerable here, and I think Nathaniel Hackett would admit that
Speaker 3: to you in private if you asked them.
Speaker 4: But I like it, Greg I going after like a
Speaker 4: Jake Brisket.
Speaker 3: It's not exciting, especially with the amount of excitement entering tonight,
Speaker 3: but that would give them a punter's chance to maybe
Speaker 3: get to ten wins, and.
Speaker 5: They'd have to give a premium that they wouldn't have
Speaker 5: had to at some point obviously in the off season.
Speaker 4: Well, they'll have a first round pick next year.
Speaker 5: Well it can't. It can't be a first. He cannot
Speaker 5: be giving up first for these guys. But whether it's
Speaker 5: a third that like upgrades to a second depending on
Speaker 5: how he plays something like that. Like to me, it's
Speaker 5: a whole year of your life and they're a little
Speaker 5: screwed anyways that I think that'd be worth it for
Speaker 5: a mid round.
Speaker 6: I don't make light of this, but I have my
Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford Sandwich props sitting out there. Probably the rams
Speaker 6: are too high on that situation, and after what happened
Speaker 6: against Seattle.
Speaker 5: Oh wait one, but you're right, things can change in
Speaker 5: like five.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 6: But I think like so Carson Wentz has been mentioned.
Speaker 6: I don't love that for anyone, but why not. I'm
Speaker 6: with you, Dan, though, I think like it's one of
Speaker 6: these teams that it was kind of Aaron Rodgers or
Speaker 6: bust obviously at quarterbacks, so it's like they didn't do
Speaker 6: enough behind him, and this is an older quarterback that
Speaker 6: has had, you know, miss games here and there once
Speaker 6: in a while.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: What else is there to say about this game, Like
Speaker 6: I think, I think we get the preview coming up
Speaker 6: with the Bills, and like I think that that this
Speaker 6: is a there's.
Speaker 7: A lot of concern around Buffalo. We talked about it.
Speaker 6: I know it's I know it got like totally panned,
Speaker 6: like not gonna do it, but like like I got
Speaker 6: totally panned, uh like when I mentioned this, but they
Speaker 6: looked like absolute junk in the preseason when the starters
Speaker 6: were out there, and I thought that something's going on
Speaker 6: with Josh Allen. He's also like his his turnover count
Speaker 6: over the last two seasons kind of gets washed away
Speaker 6: because of his incredible heroics. But this is another game where,
Speaker 6: like I mean some of the some of these like
Speaker 6: interceptions were.
Speaker 3: Why about the way we talk about the Browns and
Speaker 3: Joe Burrows, how we should talk about Josh Allen and
Speaker 3: the Jets, though I will say that like, I'm very
Speaker 3: interested to see what version of Josh Allen shows up
Speaker 3: next week, because this was a game Buffalo had no
Speaker 3: business losing. Their opponent was shell shocked, lost their best player,
Speaker 3: the quarterback, and all you got to do is kind
Speaker 3: of play conservatively within your limits, hit a couple throws,
Speaker 3: don't give the team reason and that building reason to
Speaker 3: wake back up. And I just thought it was a
Speaker 3: really foolishly played game in many respects by Allen. And
Speaker 3: I know that is something that's always been part of
Speaker 3: his DNA, but I would under like Eric Roberts, our producer,
Speaker 3: I'll be interested to talk to him when I see
Speaker 3: him again, Like you want this stuff to kind of
Speaker 3: phase out of his DNA as he gets older and
Speaker 3: starts to understand the mental cerebral side of the things.
Speaker 3: And yet he looked like he was year one or
Speaker 3: year two in this game.
Speaker 5: That was the most chaotic Allen performance I can remember
Speaker 5: since that Texans off lost, which was kind of the
Speaker 5: moment where like all the Josh Allen detractors like myself
Speaker 5: at the time were just like, man, this guy's an
Speaker 5: insane person, Like he just made some insane decisions tonight.
Speaker 5: And give Jordan Whitehead credit. Especially the third interception was
Speaker 5: a beautiful play. And the Jets defense played with such
Speaker 5: ferocity and such physical nature when they were tackling all
Speaker 5: over the field for minute one. I watched the game
Speaker 5: you know here with MGD and he was noticing it.
Speaker 5: Like Michael Clemens. Everyone was just hit and hitting. But
Speaker 5: a veteran quarterback that's played as much as Alan has
Speaker 5: to know the situations here that he was just giving
Speaker 5: points away in a game that they just needed to
Speaker 5: get through. And he should have known better because he
Speaker 5: struggled against this team, as you mentioned, three straight times,
Speaker 5: He's had three touchdowns and five interceptions, been sacked I
Speaker 5: think thirteen times in the last three times, and he
Speaker 5: hasn't hit anything down the field. Anytime he tries to
Speaker 5: go down the field, he's struggled, and I thought he
Speaker 5: got over it. They had a nice clutch drive to
Speaker 5: four overtime where he made some nice throws and Digs
Speaker 5: especially did a great job on that drive. But that's
Speaker 5: that's Alan, And the weird thing is it's not improving,
Speaker 5: and part of the Jets season now will be ruining
Speaker 5: other teams seasons. You you want to have as much
Speaker 5: fun as you can. You want to make the playoffs,
Speaker 5: but they can get some division wins like this. I mean,
Speaker 5: Bill's fans are dying here tonight because they got their
Speaker 5: own issues to deal with. As every Bills fan knows
Speaker 5: is our listeners know, and this is a season that's
Speaker 5: so big to them. This is the worst possible way
Speaker 5: to start. It's losing to Zach Wilson at MetLife Stadium again.
Speaker 4: I can think of a worse way to start. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's true, you know what I mean, though I didn't
Speaker 4: put Garrett Wilson in the Superstar club. By the way,
Speaker 4: it's crazy. That catch is crazy here, Troy.
Speaker 3: I know everybody's excited, but Troy Aikman, do you hear
Speaker 3: what he said after it happened.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the greatest young receiver that I've ever seen.
Speaker 7: Yep, and he talked about seeing that year too.
Speaker 5: Wow, I didn't hear that. That is I hate you
Speaker 5: don't want to like go crazy in the moment, but
Speaker 5: that's got to be on the list of like the
Speaker 5: twenty best touchdowns of all time ten. But I mean
Speaker 5: hands aren't supposed to work that way. He like backhanded
Speaker 5: it like it was like a like a volley to
Speaker 5: himself with the other side of his would would that
Speaker 5: it was like it was such a bad throw and
Speaker 5: it was just He's amazing.
Speaker 3: I don't know, all right, anything else I'm about Dan.
Speaker 6: I think we need to let you go off into
Speaker 6: I know Greg is gonna have another comment, but we
Speaker 6: need to let you go off into the distance and
Speaker 6: not enjoy this. Just ponder this, and yeah, this is
Speaker 6: it's a big You know, you showed up tonight. You
Speaker 6: could have ghosted us, but you didn't.
Speaker 4: That would not have been an option. I know, you
Speaker 4: know it did.
Speaker 3: Actually, honestly, during my catatonic state tonight, it did cross
Speaker 3: my mind to like.
Speaker 4: Maybe able to sit this one out and talk.
Speaker 3: I did think, well, if we did a podcast two
Speaker 3: days after West died, like and we talked about that, like,
Speaker 3: nothing is ever gonna be harder or crazier uh than that,
Speaker 3: So I could certainly talk about what happened to Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers and the jet streams tonight.
Speaker 5: So let's see here on a positive note, just circling
Speaker 5: back to hard Knocks.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 5: I just want to hear from Robert Salad because as
Speaker 5: crazy as that game is, for it to end on
Speaker 5: Xavier Gibson of all people, after this build up to
Speaker 5: hard Knocks was a really special football moment. Let's hear
Speaker 5: Salah in that clip when when Gibson made the team
Speaker 5: for Bar Knocks.
Speaker 9: Just want to let you know, man, your New York jest,
Speaker 9: you go, you're gonna you're gonna do a lot of
Speaker 9: good things for us to see.
Speaker 8: You got you got something to you the way you
Speaker 8: approach a game with your intent, your mindset and all
Speaker 8: that stuff, Like, there's no in our mind that you're
Speaker 8: gonna maximize who you are. You're definitely one of us.
Speaker 4: Beautiful, beautiful moment.
Speaker 3: And hey, heads up, John Parry Rules Analyst, You're gonna
Speaker 3: come on the air to prove you're worth a paycheck
Speaker 3: and say you got to put an asterisk on that
Speaker 3: punt return on this night for that team.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you where to put an asterisk. Take a walk,
Speaker 4: take a walk.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a walk. It's like Aaron Rodgers ninety retired,
Speaker 3: he went in the darkness. I'm gonna take a walk
Speaker 3: with the captain and we're gonna think about everything that
Speaker 3: transpired tonight.
Speaker 4: I'm this crazy, crazy heed the call