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Speaker 4: It was a wild night here. It really was.

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Speaker 8: So I'm still gonna say prayer, I'm still gonna hold

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Speaker 3: running game with Breeze Hall, who still hasn't even Breeze

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Speaker 3: Hall yet. I mean the fact that he got run

441
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Speaker 3: down from behind on eighty three yards, that that was

442
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Speaker 3: telling he was not getting caught last year. Even that

443
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Speaker 3: first initial run to the left side where he picked

444
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Speaker 3: up about twenty you could tell he's not all the

445
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Speaker 3: way back, and you just hope as the season goes

446
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Speaker 3: along he does get all the way back, like I

447
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: hear you, and I wonder. I just I get frustrated

448
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: because this was always a possibility. This wasn't a remote possibility.

449
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Speaker 3: There was always a decent chance that you would need

450
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Speaker 3: your number two quarterback to step in. And I just

451
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 3: think they had this very cute, in my mind plan,

452
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Speaker 3: which was Zach Wilson will sit behind Aaron Rodgers for

453
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Speaker 3: one to three years, and then he will hand the

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Speaker 3: reins over in twenty twenty six, and then he will

455
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Speaker 3: he will fulfill his destiny as a good draft pick

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Speaker 3: by the Jets. And I think They've left themselves very

457
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Speaker 3: vulnerable here, and I think Nathaniel Hackett would admit that

458
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Speaker 3: to you in private if you asked them.

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Speaker 4: But I like it, Greg I going after like a

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Speaker 4: Jake Brisket.

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Speaker 3: It's not exciting, especially with the amount of excitement entering tonight,

462
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Speaker 3: but that would give them a punter's chance to maybe

463
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Speaker 3: get to ten wins, and.

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Speaker 5: They'd have to give a premium that they wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: had to at some point obviously in the off season.

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Speaker 4: Well, they'll have a first round pick next year.

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Speaker 5: Well it can't. It can't be a first. He cannot

468
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Speaker 5: be giving up first for these guys. But whether it's

469
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Speaker 5: a third that like upgrades to a second depending on

470
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Speaker 5: how he plays something like that. Like to me, it's

471
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Speaker 5: a whole year of your life and they're a little

472
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Speaker 5: screwed anyways that I think that'd be worth it for

473
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Speaker 5: a mid round.

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Speaker 6: I don't make light of this, but I have my

475
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Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford Sandwich props sitting out there. Probably the rams

476
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 6: are too high on that situation, and after what happened

477
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Speaker 6: against Seattle.

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Speaker 5: Oh wait one, but you're right, things can change in

479
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Speaker 5: like five.

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Speaker 4: You never know.

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Speaker 6: But I think like so Carson Wentz has been mentioned.

482
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Speaker 6: I don't love that for anyone, but why not. I'm

483
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Speaker 6: with you, Dan, though, I think like it's one of

484
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Speaker 6: these teams that it was kind of Aaron Rodgers or

485
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Speaker 6: bust obviously at quarterbacks, so it's like they didn't do

486
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Speaker 6: enough behind him, and this is an older quarterback that

487
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Speaker 6: has had, you know, miss games here and there once

488
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Speaker 6: in a while.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: What else is there to say about this game, Like

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Speaker 6: I think, I think we get the preview coming up

492
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Speaker 6: with the Bills, and like I think that that this

493
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Speaker 6: is a there's.

494
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Speaker 7: A lot of concern around Buffalo. We talked about it.

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Speaker 6: I know it's I know it got like totally panned,

496
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Speaker 6: like not gonna do it, but like like I got

497
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Speaker 6: totally panned, uh like when I mentioned this, but they

498
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Speaker 6: looked like absolute junk in the preseason when the starters

499
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Speaker 6: were out there, and I thought that something's going on

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Speaker 6: with Josh Allen. He's also like his his turnover count

501
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 6: over the last two seasons kind of gets washed away

502
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Speaker 6: because of his incredible heroics. But this is another game where,

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Speaker 6: like I mean some of the some of these like

504
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Speaker 6: interceptions were.

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Speaker 3: Why about the way we talk about the Browns and

506
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: Joe Burrows, how we should talk about Josh Allen and

507
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Speaker 3: the Jets, though I will say that like, I'm very

508
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Speaker 3: interested to see what version of Josh Allen shows up

509
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: next week, because this was a game Buffalo had no

510
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: business losing. Their opponent was shell shocked, lost their best player,

511
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 3: the quarterback, and all you got to do is kind

512
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: of play conservatively within your limits, hit a couple throws,

513
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Speaker 3: don't give the team reason and that building reason to

514
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Speaker 3: wake back up. And I just thought it was a

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Speaker 3: really foolishly played game in many respects by Allen. And

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Speaker 3: I know that is something that's always been part of

517
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Speaker 3: his DNA, but I would under like Eric Roberts, our producer,

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Speaker 3: I'll be interested to talk to him when I see

519
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: him again, Like you want this stuff to kind of

520
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: phase out of his DNA as he gets older and

521
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: starts to understand the mental cerebral side of the things.

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Speaker 3: And yet he looked like he was year one or

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Speaker 3: year two in this game.

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Speaker 5: That was the most chaotic Allen performance I can remember

525
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 5: since that Texans off lost, which was kind of the

526
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 5: moment where like all the Josh Allen detractors like myself

527
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 5: at the time were just like, man, this guy's an

528
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: insane person, Like he just made some insane decisions tonight.

529
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Speaker 5: And give Jordan Whitehead credit. Especially the third interception was

530
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 5: a beautiful play. And the Jets defense played with such

531
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 5: ferocity and such physical nature when they were tackling all

532
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: over the field for minute one. I watched the game

533
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: you know here with MGD and he was noticing it.

534
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 5: Like Michael Clemens. Everyone was just hit and hitting. But

535
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Speaker 5: a veteran quarterback that's played as much as Alan has

536
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 5: to know the situations here that he was just giving

537
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Speaker 5: points away in a game that they just needed to

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Speaker 5: get through. And he should have known better because he

539
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 5: struggled against this team, as you mentioned, three straight times,

540
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Speaker 5: He's had three touchdowns and five interceptions, been sacked I

541
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Speaker 5: think thirteen times in the last three times, and he

542
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: hasn't hit anything down the field. Anytime he tries to

543
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 5: go down the field, he's struggled, and I thought he

544
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Speaker 5: got over it. They had a nice clutch drive to

545
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Speaker 5: four overtime where he made some nice throws and Digs

546
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 5: especially did a great job on that drive. But that's

547
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 5: that's Alan, And the weird thing is it's not improving,

548
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 5: and part of the Jets season now will be ruining

549
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: other teams seasons. You you want to have as much

550
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 5: fun as you can. You want to make the playoffs,

551
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: but they can get some division wins like this. I mean,

552
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 5: Bill's fans are dying here tonight because they got their

553
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: own issues to deal with. As every Bills fan knows

554
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: is our listeners know, and this is a season that's

555
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 5: so big to them. This is the worst possible way

556
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: to start. It's losing to Zach Wilson at MetLife Stadium again.

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Speaker 4: I can think of a worse way to start. Okay,

558
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: that's true, you know what I mean, though I didn't

559
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 4: put Garrett Wilson in the Superstar club. By the way,

560
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Speaker 4: it's crazy. That catch is crazy here, Troy.

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Speaker 3: I know everybody's excited, but Troy Aikman, do you hear

562
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: what he said after it happened.

563
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the greatest young receiver that I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: Yep, and he talked about seeing that year too.

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Speaker 5: Wow, I didn't hear that. That is I hate you

566
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 5: don't want to like go crazy in the moment, but

567
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 5: that's got to be on the list of like the

568
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: twenty best touchdowns of all time ten. But I mean

569
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: hands aren't supposed to work that way. He like backhanded

570
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 5: it like it was like a like a volley to

571
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Speaker 5: himself with the other side of his would would that

572
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 5: it was like it was such a bad throw and

573
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Speaker 5: it was just He's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, all right, anything else I'm about Dan.

575
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Speaker 6: I think we need to let you go off into

576
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 6: I know Greg is gonna have another comment, but we

577
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 6: need to let you go off into the distance and

578
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 6: not enjoy this. Just ponder this, and yeah, this is

579
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 6: it's a big You know, you showed up tonight. You

580
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 6: could have ghosted us, but you didn't.

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Speaker 4: That would not have been an option. I know, you

582
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 4: know it did.

583
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Speaker 3: Actually, honestly, during my catatonic state tonight, it did cross

584
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: my mind to like.

585
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: Maybe able to sit this one out and talk.

586
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: I did think, well, if we did a podcast two

587
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: days after West died, like and we talked about that, like,

588
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: nothing is ever gonna be harder or crazier uh than that,

589
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: So I could certainly talk about what happened to Aaron

590
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 3: Rodgers and the jet streams tonight.

591
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: So let's see here on a positive note, just circling

592
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: back to hard Knocks.

593
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 4: That's all.

594
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: I just want to hear from Robert Salad because as

595
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 5: crazy as that game is, for it to end on

596
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 5: Xavier Gibson of all people, after this build up to

597
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: hard Knocks was a really special football moment. Let's hear

598
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: Salah in that clip when when Gibson made the team

599
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: for Bar Knocks.

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Speaker 9: Just want to let you know, man, your New York jest,

601
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 9: you go, you're gonna you're gonna do a lot of

602
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 9: good things for us to see.

603
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 8: You got you got something to you the way you

604
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 8: approach a game with your intent, your mindset and all

605
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 8: that stuff, Like, there's no in our mind that you're

606
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 8: gonna maximize who you are. You're definitely one of us.

607
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: Beautiful, beautiful moment.

608
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Speaker 3: And hey, heads up, John Parry Rules Analyst, You're gonna

609
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: come on the air to prove you're worth a paycheck

610
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: and say you got to put an asterisk on that

611
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: punt return on this night for that team.

612
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: I'll tell you where to put an asterisk. Take a walk,

613
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: take a walk.

614
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a walk. It's like Aaron Rodgers ninety retired,

615
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: he went in the darkness. I'm gonna take a walk

616
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: with the captain and we're gonna think about everything that

617
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: transpired tonight.

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Speaker 4: I'm this crazy, crazy heed the call