1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: audio for full exposure listen with Headphiles. In November, I 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: spoke with Glenn Morgan. Glenn is a prolific screenwriter and 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: producer involved in writing and producing, among many many others, 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: the Lord television show, the Twilight Zone reboot, and, most 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: notably for Strange Arrivals, The X Files. I talked to 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: Glenn about the genesis of the show, how episodes were written, 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: and much more. Why don't you start by introducing yourself. 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm Glenn Morgan, was one of the exact producers of 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: The X Files and the M one two for and 11 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: then the Last Time And how did you you know, 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: how did you become involved in The X Files? How 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: did that start? Well? I worked with my partner Jim Loong, 14 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: who are high school buddies from alcohol in California. Um, 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: we're probably many people have been abducted, and um, we 16 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: were gonna go on some other show, a romantic comedy 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: that was the hit pilot of that season. And Peter Roth, 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: who was the head of Fox TV, had said, you know, 19 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: he had he had helped us out a lot when 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: we worked on twenty one Jump Street at Stephen Kettle 21 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: and he was like, you gotta watch his pilot. I 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: demand that you watch his pilot, and so kind of 23 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: sort of career politics. We go, well, we'll watch this 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: pilot the X Files and tell Peter thanks for thinking 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: of us, but we're gonna go do this other hot show. 26 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: And Jim and I watch Exiles pilot and we're like, 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: whoa and I want to do this show. And everybody 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: said we were insane because we left the other show, 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: and um, but it was just something that I really liked, 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: and we met Chris and we hit it off. And 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: we're all coming from the same place from which I 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: expect we're about to talk about. So, so were you 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: interested in in sort of the paranormal and and UFO 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: stuff before working on the show. I was really not 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: trying to make this about me, but I think that 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: in what we're talking about, I feel I come from 37 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: a place where probably a lot of Americans or representative 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: the kind of mil America. I grew up in Syracuse, 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: New York, which is upstate New York. I grew up 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: in Manlis. Oh okay, well I was there till it 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: was fifteen. And you know that this digressing. But I've 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: read that they call that it's like a highway. It's 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: a mile swath from Albany wide three hud a mile 44 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: long from Albany to you know, basically not Buffalo. Yeah, 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: and there you had like the Shakers, the Fox Sisters, 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: the Mormon uh Origins kind of, and so there's a 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: lot of that haunted places. And my family, my great 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: grandparents were mediums and all that, so there was always 49 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: like having seances and stuff. My brother and I are 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: like watching TV, but we're familiar with that. I was 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: always interested in that. I you know, I can't remember 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: if I knew about the Hills before um, Sharings to 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: the Gods. I almost had Food of the Gods, just 54 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: a great movie. But Charings to the Gods, it was 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: like reading all that, you know, and I was into that. 56 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: And as a kid whose family was doing that, there 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: was no skeptics, so I just like bought into it totally. 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: All that stuff, I just bought into it, and um, 59 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: it has always been interesting. However as a kid too, 60 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: my great love was you know, Nasa Apollo while they 61 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: asked your nots and so the true science of that, 62 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: and I felt that they both merged the goal to 63 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: go to the moon, to go to space, the poetry 64 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: of that match the wonder of what else is out 65 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: there and that kind of you know, UFO paranormal area, 66 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: they have something in common. And then you know, going 67 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: getting older, you know it's an horror movie and everything. 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: But just like just life changing was Close Encounters, which 69 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: is like the greatest thing I went to when it 70 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: came out, you know, as I was just starting to drive, 71 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: and my dad was like, don't you go to that movie. 72 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: You can't go drive on the freeway to see that movie. 73 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: And I did. I was driving home on the freeway. 74 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: My dad was exted me Mike busted, that's how much 75 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: I needed to see that movie for the second time, 76 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: and so all that stuff. I just loved it. Um Now, 77 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: when I get older and you start getting introduced to 78 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: some skepticism, and certainly working on the X Files, the 79 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: need to be Scully is the first time that I 80 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: started looking at what's the other side of this story? 81 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Because you always had to have Mauler's explanation, you have 82 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: to have Scullies explanation, and many times you'd have to 83 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: have an explanation was down the middle. So it was 84 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: the X Files and having to write for Scully that 85 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: I started getting a little more ground, a little more skeptical. 86 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: So I hope that makes sense that I think that's 87 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: where it comes from. But I think you can see 88 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: this sort of mirrors what was going on a lot 89 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: with the culture. I was taking look at some suffarious 90 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: people have written and it's like the Monster of the 91 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: Week episodes and then their Mythology episodes. So was the mythology? 92 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: Was that thought of as being sort of a multi 93 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: seasoned thing to start off with? How how what was 94 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: the genesis of that? Like the pilot was UFO and 95 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: the second episode is UFO, and I think it introduced 96 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: the deep throat, deep background and the conspiracy part of it, 97 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: and the network being the network, they're a big goal 98 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: was modern Scully should help people, you know, every week 99 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: they should help people, which is like as lame as 100 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: it gainst. And but also they did not want UFO 101 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: every week? What else could it be? And so sitting down, um, 102 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: the first year was Chris jim and I, Howard Gordon, 103 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: Alex Gonza who went on to do Homeland, and Marilyn 104 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: Osborne was there as a sort of junior writer, and 105 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: we would get together in the room and go what 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: can we do? And I think Alex and Howard became 107 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: more comfortable with doing sort of weird science and you know, 108 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: I just I grew up on universal monsters, and you know, 109 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: I love monster movies, and so Jim and I fell 110 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: into that not all the time, but for the most part. 111 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: And so if you look at it the first year, 112 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of mythology. I think on the 113 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: twenty two episodes five maybe it wasn't a conscious thing. 114 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: And first it really wasn't a couple of things. What 115 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: happened was and January of the first season, Jillian became pregnant, 116 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: and so she was going to have her baby in September, 117 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: and so there was like, well, she wasn't gonna be 118 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: able to work on the first few episodes that we 119 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: were filming for a year two, and so we all 120 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: came up with like Scully's gonna disappear, and that really 121 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: began the mythology, the need to tell multiple stories near 122 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: the end of the first year. So I don't believe 123 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: my memory is not that we set out to go 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: from the beginning, We're gonna be this groundbreaking serialized because 125 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't around then. A little bit maybe, but um, 126 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: we never set out to be the serialized show. There 127 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: was necessity due to Julian's Julian's pregnancy that we sort 128 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: of shaped it in the end of the first year 129 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: to go into her disappearing for the first few episodes 130 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: in the second year. So can you talk a little 131 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: bit about about the mythology through story you know that 132 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: was established by Chris. You know that Maulder's sister had 133 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: been abducted, and what the background was with Maulder, you know, 134 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: And I think those are things that you you have 135 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: and when you're selling a pilot, especially back in those days, 136 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: it's just kind of red meat for executives. And and 137 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: then you get in the room. Nowadays you have to 138 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: have the whole show figured out for five years. Back then, 139 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: you gave a piece of paper and this is what 140 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: six episodes we could do, and they okay. So it 141 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: just becomes a process of sitting down and go on, 142 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: what can it be? Um, who's you know? Well, we're 143 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: gonna introduce a government conspiracy deep background. So you bring 144 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: a deep throat and you bring up more UFO stuff. 145 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: Say I'm struggling here, because that stuff doesn't kick into 146 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: gear really until the end of the year one, year two, 147 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: where the beginning of year two we did this episode 148 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: Little Green Men, I think shows his sister's abduction. Right, 149 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: So it wasn't really if you look at that series, 150 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't until again necessity brought it up and it 151 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: really kicks into gear in the second year. Okay, and 152 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: so you just go, well, what happens we do we 153 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: bring Maler's mother back to we is she alive? And 154 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: she didn't? You know, it's just like a bunch of 155 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: writers getting together trying to figure it out. But again, 156 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: for the most part, nowadays they'll talk about a writer's room. 157 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: We didn't have that. You know. We would come in 158 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: and go, hey, I got an idea, what if there's 159 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: a stretchy serial killer of the crawls to the event, 160 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Oh oh, all right, you do that. You know, we 161 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: weren't really sitting in a writer's room working things out together. 162 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: We're very much a team. Nowadays, you would say, okay, 163 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: episode one, we talked about mauler sister. Episode six, we're 164 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna show that she's abducted. Now, I guess skipping forward 165 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: and you know, how is she gonna be abducted? I 166 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: think we start with a lot of what the accepted 167 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: myth wise that it was at night, that there was 168 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: a bright light you know, um, you know it's it's 169 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: real monster movie stuff, really the mythology, and then you go, well, 170 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: people know what it is by now because of the 171 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: Hills story that you know that was a movie the 172 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: week right, I think with James Earl Jones and the 173 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: closing owners is like so huge everybody knew, you know, 174 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: the the Barry being abducted is just one of the 175 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: great scenes and sham and what can we do different? 176 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: You know? And you had read some things where people 177 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: had been taken out their window or um, so well 178 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: let's do that, or let's make something up. How can 179 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: we make it fresh? And I think actually that's where 180 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: the damage to the mythology, because you made stuff up 181 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: because you needed to have something different for a TV 182 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: show that makes sense? Yeah, yeah, was there you know, 183 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: were you reading like UFO books or or doing other 184 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: kinds of research into you know cases, Oh I had 185 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: I had done that. I knew the Hill books. Your 186 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: first season brought back a lot of childhood memories. Um 187 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: of reading the book, not being abducted, just to make 188 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: that clear. But what happened. What I didn't know was 189 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: the community of uthology and so, and we didn't have 190 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: the Internet like we do now. I think it was 191 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: all and you know, but I still when I wrote scripts, 192 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: I had to write stuff down and go to the 193 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Library and or U C l A and 194 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: look it up. It wasn't like when I'm writing I 195 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: just pull up Google or so. I was not aware 196 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: of that. I became aware of it. I went to 197 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: a UFO show L A X with Marilyn Osborne on 198 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: the show, and it was just like, blew my mind 199 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: what was going on there? Um, you know, the lectures, 200 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: the level of what the Hill experience had turned into 201 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: basically have you know communication, you know, we're in community 202 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: ation with being storm everywhere it was it was WOA 203 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: was is way beyond what I thought. I remember there 204 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: was a table and they'd have like color coded papers 205 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: and this was abductions. This was and I don't know, 206 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: this is State Orange with space Shuttle Green was abductions. 207 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Was like an entire conference table of different pieces of 208 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: paper with conspiracy and all kinds of stuff for every 209 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: topic you can imagine. And the three guys behind there. 210 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: One guy had a suit, one guy was kind of 211 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: slobby guy with a rock and roll shirt, and another 212 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: guy he just kind of somewhere in between. There was 213 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: exactly alone gunman, which you know, becomes part of the myth. 214 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: There exactly the guy, the guy with a suit. There's 215 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: all these people around him. He's like, give me. He's 216 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: he's lecturing people. He said, give me, give me a 217 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: twenty dollar bill. We're while watching he's like. This guy 218 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: gives the guy his toy dollar bill out of his 219 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: bucket and he holds it up to the light and 220 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: he goes, look at that magnetic strip. And I think 221 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: none of us knew about him, this magnetic strip in 222 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: a twenty dollar bill. And everybody's like, oh, this is 223 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: how a track you through the airport. This is how 224 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: they do. This is how do you do that? Man? 225 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: He rips it, He rips the guy's twenty and pulls 226 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: the strip out. You know, the guy's bummed out because 227 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: this twenty dollar bill he's gone. But all of us 228 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: are like whoa. And so that was just mind blowing 229 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: to me what an industry was out there, and so 230 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: I just like started taking from that, and Jim and 231 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Howard and Chris and everybody became introduced to that. I 232 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: would go to like a hotel and motel out in 233 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: Burbank and I sat there for presentation on UFO ideas 234 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and stuff, and I gotta say a lot of it 235 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: I felt was just too far out from what we 236 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: were doing. We're there s secific things that you ended 237 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: up served going deeper on, uh as, you know, research 238 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: or inspiration or whatever for the X Files. I think 239 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of I think that would be a lot 240 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: would be Chris because as the creator and exact producer 241 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: of the show, people would reach out to him and 242 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: he might get some info on stuff, or he might 243 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: interview people that we're deeper into these things than my 244 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: I like to research by sitting amongst all this stuff 245 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: and watching it, you know, just like observing what's going on. 246 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: I would get um a publication every Monday. It was 247 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: called Science News. It was really a pamphlet no more 248 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: than ten pages of findings in the world of science. 249 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: That week there might be a bigger article and just 250 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: like go through and so for example, one week I 251 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: saw they had an article that I think they've broken 252 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: the record for drilling into the Greenland ice core. I 253 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: don't know, want to remember a mile or whatever. And 254 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: they pulled out this stuff that had not seen the 255 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: light of day for two fifty thousand years. You know 256 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: that had just happened. That was a fact. And then 257 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: I go, well, what could be in there? What could 258 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: be in that two? It's like, okay, it's a creepy show. 259 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: What's creepy? Like? I find worms, creepy worms, snakes, they 260 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: don't have arms, they have too many arms, like a millipede. 261 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: Forget it. I don't want to near me. And so 262 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, oh, there's these worms. And then without 263 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: two D year's evolution, what would that do to us? 264 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: And then that part I would make up. I don't 265 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: remember what it was. It gets into your brain and 266 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: makes you paranoid or some stuff like that. So that's 267 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: how you make the next while. You take that science 268 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: truth and another truth and you try to fit them 269 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: together by making stuff up. Inevitably, people would go I 270 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: read about worms and make it crazy, and I'd say, no, no, 271 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: I made that up, and think, oh no, no, no, 272 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: I read that in the natro Geographic. I'm like, I 273 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: know you didn't because I made it up. It isn't 274 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: even a thing. It lodged in my head. I just 275 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: flat out made it up. And it always fascinated me 276 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: how often people would say not I read about the 277 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: ice core from Greenland, or the evolutionary traits of these worms. 278 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: I heard about the stuff you made up, and it's true. 279 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: And so when I look at these abduction myths where 280 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: some of the conspiracy theories are floating around, now you 281 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: can see where are there's bullshit that our people are believing. 282 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: And in fact, there's an X files where a deep 283 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: throat specifically says a lie is the best delivered sandwich 284 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: between two truths, and I just you know that. I 285 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: you know, um, I'm sure I didn't make that up, 286 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: but that's to me. I always thought the best way 287 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: to go about the mythology. So if you know that 288 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: aliens come at night, and you might take some other 289 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: scientific fact the position of the moon or something, then 290 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: make something up. That's that's how you did it. That's 291 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: how I went about it. And I see that approach 292 00:18:42,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: and other myths contemporary. That's really interesting. Your your point 293 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: about people coming up to you and saying that they've 294 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: read about stuff that you've made up. Um and it 295 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: it reminds me a little bit of a Season one 296 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: talking to Elizabeth Loftus where she was talking about experiments 297 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: that she did where you know, just by mentioning something 298 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: to somebody, they incorporate that into their memory so if 299 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: they talk to them again. I saw. I don't think 300 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: it was one that she did, but there was a 301 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: special on PBS where they interview college kids and they 302 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: and they would bring up this incident. I think it 303 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: was something about like you got, you know, arrested at 304 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: the mall or something, and and they'd be like, no, 305 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, no we did. She's like, oh yeah, and 306 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: then they kind of give some details and that the 307 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: college kids would say now, but then when they talk 308 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: to them, you know, six months eight or and would 309 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: bring it up. I guess it wasn't It wasn't quite 310 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: getting arrested. It wasn't like that big, but it was 311 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: it was some like you know, you spilled you spilled 312 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: a drink on a police officer or something. It was something. 313 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: It was something like that. And then when the when 314 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: they talked to them again, the the a certain percentage 315 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: of the college students would talk about that episode it 316 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: actually happened, right, so it didn't It didn't even take much. 317 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: You don't have to really convince people. You can just 318 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: sort of tell them and then they kind of internalized it. 319 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: It becomes, you know, part of their their lived memory 320 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: without actually having experienced it. And I think it becomes 321 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. And there's been some good My brother 322 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: did it an excellent X Files in the last season. 323 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: It was called the Lost Start of Forehead Sweat, which 324 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: is all about memory and a lot of them Indela 325 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: effect and and I know, you know glad Well had 326 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: that thing on visionist history about memory, and um, I 327 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: think with the bulk of information particles, with the Internet, 328 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: with crossing cable news, with Twitter, you just get particles 329 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: and they all get jammed together, and I think, like, Babe, 330 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: weeks later you're like, oh, yeah, I know I heard something. 331 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: It's just a mess. It's just really colliding and we've 332 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: lost the ability to go and what's your source or no, 333 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: that was debunked. Here's how it was debunked. And you 334 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: know a lot of the skeptics are debunkers become like 335 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: the party poopers because going back prior to my writing 336 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: for the X Files, if you were saying the hills 337 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: you know saw the ski lift, don't you just don't 338 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: want to believe it, you know kind of thing. But 339 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: it may be a thing we were never taught, you know, 340 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's the that's the big 341 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: problem is that we're not coming from a rational How 342 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: do you think about the X Files as sort of 343 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: a cultural influence or or or the X Files lasting 344 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: cultural influence and and how people think about things, Because 345 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: I do feel like more than of shows, like I 346 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: think the X Files, um, you know, can can kind 347 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: of change the way you look at things that are 348 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: happening around you. Um, And I think and part of it, 349 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a conspiracy stuff, But I think there's 350 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: also you know that the interactions between Molder and Scully 351 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I think kind of model a way of thinking about 352 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: about things in some ways that I think affects the 353 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: way people. Uh, I mean I wish it would affect 354 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: them more, but but affects the way people sort of 355 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: evaluate things. Um. Have you have you thought about that 356 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: at all? Have you have you experienced moments where where 357 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: that's become sort of clear? Um, that's that's I think 358 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: it's beyond all of us that worked on that show. 359 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: You know, I text a lot with David Coomny, and 360 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: that's like, we're still trying to figure it out in 361 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. You know, we're the last to 362 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: be able to figure it out because you weren't trying 363 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: to be this thing. You're just let's be cool, you know. 364 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: But for me, there's a couple of things that would answer. 365 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: I think the most brilliant thing that Chris did was 366 00:23:54,400 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: I want to believe, even you know, Carl Sagan, very rational, 367 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: science based, I think you'd want to believe there's other life, 368 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: And so that answers both sides of the coin. Everybody 369 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: wants to believe, and they can find the answer of 370 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: what special relativity is out what's the next whereas in 371 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: all that, you know, there's the other dimensions and all 372 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: that stuff. And so if you're that was the brilliance 373 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: and why this show could be so popular because it 374 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: appeals to everybody. I think everybody wants to believe. My 375 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: feeling about the whole you know, it's it's twofold for me. 376 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: One I grew up, you know, Love and the Monster 377 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: Moise and Psycho and The Exorcists, and Alan Bicola, paranoid 378 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: movies of Clute and all the President's Men, Parallax View 379 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: and certainly Close Encounters, and so all those came before us. 380 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, It's like you can say, oh Nex sounds great, 381 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: you have it. All those Twilight Zone, oh Man, all 382 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: came before us. So when Doug Hudgson, who played Eugene 383 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: Tunes in the first season, who's the notorious serial killer, 384 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: and Dougs not too far off from that character, he 385 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: said that he was in a like a department store 386 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: bathroom in New York City and he was washing his 387 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: hands and he looked over and there was a dad 388 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: and a little kid, and the little kid was just 389 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: locked in on Doug. And when they're going out, the 390 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: kid grabbed the father and goes, hey, dad, it's the 391 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: creepy guy. And the dad looked at him and they 392 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: both just leave. And so I feel like, okay, for 393 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: all those Hitchcocks and Spielberg's that got me. I you know, 394 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: that was you know, playing forward. However, the second thing 395 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: is more disturbing that if we played any part in 396 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: the proliferation of this conspiracy stuff, I'd have great regrets 397 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: because I think it's like ridiculously out of hand. You know, 398 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: when we're doing that show, it was primarily for entertainment. 399 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: You know that town. You know, there had been conspiracies, 400 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: it's a skegeek experiments and Watergate, I guess, But for 401 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: the X Files is for the most part of entertainment. 402 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: And if you've opened up the door to acceptance of 403 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: things that are going around now, I'd really feel horrible. 404 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: I that saddens me. Well. I think that was what 405 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: when I said before about Mold and Scully sort of modeling, 406 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: and that I wish people would sort of internalize that 407 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more because I think, I mean, I 408 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: thought that was what was so great about the show 409 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: as being coming from sort of the skeptical side myself, 410 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: was was that there was I mean, it was like 411 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: this this constant sort of evaluation. I think of them 412 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: as sort of like Kirk and Spock. It's sort of 413 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: these iconic two sides of the argument, uh type of people. 414 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm just saying that because from from 415 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: my point of view, like if you only had you know, 416 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: Boulder running around, you know, buying into everything that he's 417 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: that he saw her ran into her or seeing seeing 418 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the worst possibilities would be one thing. But but I 419 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: think what made the show so great is that is 420 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: that you see both sides and and it's you know, 421 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: thinking critically and even when things seem to be real. 422 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: It's the reason why that's coming forth is because they're 423 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: sort of interrogating it in a way that I don't 424 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: think people do. So what are the things that we 425 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: haven't talked about that you think are sort of important 426 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: for people to to know? Just sort of based on 427 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: what you know about what I'm what I'm doing. And 428 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: in this season, you know, I I think you know, 429 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I really I think there's you know, I think you 430 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: go into what you said a minute ago. The interesting thing, 431 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, Scully after a while was not you know 432 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: when we started the show, No, Scully never sees an alien. Ever, 433 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: by show twelve, she was seeing the ghost of her 434 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: father because human nature or American nature, whoever may be. 435 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: It's like she's just person, says no, male, there's more fun, Well, 436 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: there's more interesting. Male, there's see and weirder stuff. And 437 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: so as the show goes on for ultimately eleven years, 438 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: Scully bends towards him, you know, because otherwise the show 439 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: becomes Scooby Doo, right whether that you know, just like 440 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, you just pull off the mayor the mask 441 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: on the monster or the mayor whatever. So that's the 442 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: thing that you forgot, is that she did experience these 443 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: things and leans more towards mall. There's experience, you know, 444 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's the benefit of the necessity of 445 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: a TV series who keeping conflict and the momentum going. 446 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: But you know, I wish that people the fun of 447 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: being Scully going. You know, that's just that's great. Those 448 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: guys that you had it said, oh is the ski lift. 449 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm recreating the position of Venus. All that stuff is 450 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: fun too to go. You know. It's like you're not 451 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: trying to prove anyone's That's the great part about the 452 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: Hills as well. And I think a lot of the 453 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: characters are trying to do X files. Was they didn't 454 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: ask for it. They were going out in mind in 455 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: their own business and and this thing happened to them, 456 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: and they love an explanation whatever it may be, you know. Um, 457 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: And so you know, the the fun of trying to 458 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: be Scully. In the first two seasons. And also I 459 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: think you asked, you know, that show to really try 460 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: to find out to think about, you know, where we 461 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: are now. You look at the mythology and therties because 462 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: that's what I grew up. Frankenstein was a scientist. He's bad. 463 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: The villagers burned him down, burned down the castle, and 464 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: they got the monsters. Scientists bad, invisible man. He died. 465 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, they always come back, but that was like 466 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: he's bad. Um in the fifties, the scientist is creating 467 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: the trouble, but he was also solving the problem, usually 468 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: by going to the military, because that's what the fifties 469 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: was like, your trust and government. The sixties, you know, 470 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: you start getting into Andromeda strain and you had Vietnam 471 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: and so then it's bad. And then in the end 472 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: of the seventies science becomes close encounters and you made 473 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: nice communication with aliens and you had star wars and stuff, 474 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: and like where are we now? Where what's our own 475 00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: mythology that we were creating a myth about this pandemic? 476 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: Its storytelling wise, wherever you stand, storytelling wines. If you're 477 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: doing a pandemic, you had never come up with the 478 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: head of a country is obstructing it. So what is 479 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: it about science and conspiracy and everything we're at now? 480 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: What is it telling us? You know? And I think 481 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: if if you can use exiles as engaged as to 482 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: try to where were we? Then what does that type 483 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: of show tell us where we are now? Strange Arrivals 484 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heeart, three D Audio and 485 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: Grimm and Mild from Aaron Monkey. This episode was written 486 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: and hosted by Toby Ball and produced by Miranda Hawkins 487 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: and Josh Thame, with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick 488 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: and Aaron Mankey. 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