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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is a lovely Friday

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Speaker 2: and chill eaves little chill even nice. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 2: the long sleep pants and we're pants Mini Rookie Mini Camp.

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Speaker 3: How was Rookie Mini Camp?

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Speaker 2: Well, Rookie Mini Camp was uneventful.

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Speaker 3: That's what you want. Yes, that's kind of how.

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Speaker 2: Many got hurt? He got anything. But I do have

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Speaker 2: the rookie Mini Camp roster here and some of the

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Speaker 2: guys that they brought in. We already knew who the

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Speaker 2: rookies and everything, but some of.

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Speaker 3: The try to Like Carmen's down there, I mean just

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Speaker 3: for people. Everyone, everyone's down there. Some of the tryout players.

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Speaker 3: Will be some guys on here that people may have

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Speaker 3: heard of, such as Keith Ismail, the center out of

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Speaker 3: San Diego State. Okay, remember him from a few years

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Speaker 3: ago in draft. He's started some games in the league. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he's been around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Uh. You also had Elan Manning and offensive tackle from Hawaii,

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Speaker 2: I didn't look up him where he had played up,

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Speaker 2: but he's his second or third year player in the league.

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Speaker 3: So these aren't a bunch of undrafted rookies. No, these

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Speaker 3: are all guys that are just looking to stick in

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Speaker 2: You had Trey Sermon, the running back from Ohio State. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he had done some stuff in the league,

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Speaker 2: some pedigree and mid round pick. Yeah, those are pretty

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Speaker 2: much the veteran tryout guys. But there's also some other

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Speaker 2: guys here that you know, if you look at.

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Speaker 3: I assume all the undrafted free agents that they signed

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Speaker 3: were there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, the Middlebury offensive lineman Thomas Perry. Okay, he

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Speaker 2: is a guy that that got some pre draft love.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 3: Some of the old line nerds are kind of excited

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Speaker 3: about him, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, just another guy that they brought in.

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Speaker 2: He's still just twenty one years old. So yeah, and

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Speaker 2: you know all the other guys that they brought in

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Speaker 2: in terms of the undrafted and things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: But it's always interesting to see exactly who they brought in.

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Speaker 2: Some of these guys will actually get a shot.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna get in preseason games. You know some of them,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and see what happens from there. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I assume a couple of the names will surprise impress

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Speaker 3: enough in practice to stick around and get the coach's

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Speaker 3: attention and get you in there in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 3: of the first game, and then maybe you make a play,

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Speaker 3: and then maybe you're in the third quarter of the

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Speaker 3: next game and see what happens, you know, and end

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Speaker 3: up on a practice squad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The tryout quarterback is Seth Morgan from Mount Lebanon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't have any Lebo ties to him, obviously,

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Speaker 3: but he he is a local dude.

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Speaker 2: And they did get Debo, except it's Debo Williams, a

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, they seem to be signing draft picks

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Speaker 3: left and right to today.

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Speaker 2: They did a bunch of that. That's in.

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Speaker 3: They can sign the piece of paper like old people do, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, right, Yeah, you gotta physically put your name to

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Speaker 3: What's like, what are the practices like? I mean, I

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Speaker 3: assume there's an individual period and it's a pretty slow

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Speaker 3: team stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's a glorified walk through, Okay, basically, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know there's no hitting or put it this way, so

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving away.

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Speaker 3: Any secrets and tempo.

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Speaker 2: You come out and everybody got excited because they're they're

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Speaker 2: coming out, you know, with the offensive line and all

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Speaker 2: the you know, all eleven offensive guys are out there,

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Speaker 2: goes through his progressions. He doesn't never throws the football, right,

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Speaker 2: but he goes through his progressions. Yeah, and that's I

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Speaker 2: look here, I look there, I look there, I look there.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's exactly what the coach wild me do.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I do.

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Speaker 2: And now I tossed the ball back to the ascent.

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Speaker 2: That's what these practices.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what it happens, right, Okay, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Think about the Senior Bowl practices. How kind of disjointed

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Speaker 2: Right, That's why you do these practices now, so that

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Speaker 2: when you bring the veterans in, those practices aren't disjointed,

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Speaker 2: like you don't want to waste those ones.

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Speaker 3: Right. It's a great way of looking at it because

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Speaker 3: this is one plus one. I mean, this is kindergarten.

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Speaker 3: This is tying your shoes, This is put your hand

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Speaker 2: Asming assume that you have never done a football practice before,

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Speaker 2: and this is how we're going. This is what we're

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Speaker 3: This is step one of don't get in Cam Hayward's

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm taking my son to freshman orientation on

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Speaker 3: you know in July. You just did this with your

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Speaker 3: you know, not that he's ever gonna go, but you

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Speaker 3: know where the right where the cafeteria is much more,

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Speaker 3: much more, or the distillery on campus probably but anyway.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe the medical office know where you're down and

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Speaker 3: Right. But I mean, that's what today is. And some

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Speaker 3: that they can go to first grade from kindergarten. You know.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is pre school.

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Speaker 2: And really the things you're looking for. So somebody might ask, well,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking that too. It's pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. But they do have classroom stuff. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: go through and if you can take it from the

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Speaker 2: again and again and again and again, now you know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this guy might be somebody who can work.

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Speaker 3: With and like any prospect they had. They're going back

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Speaker 3: So you know a few traits.

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Speaker 2: It's basically getting an opportunity to go car shopping m H.

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Speaker 2: And you go out and you test drive. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to test drive. They have twenty five guys. We're

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Speaker 2: going to test drive these twenty five guys and see

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Speaker 2: if we like any of those models.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't learn a ton from a test drive.

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Speaker 3: You know, you test drive a car, you buy it

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Speaker 2: Do some more research on it later and go yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't want that.

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Speaker 3: I don't love it as much, or you own it

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Speaker 3: thought I was buying. You know, but you do know

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Speaker 3: some of these guys either have strength or speed, or

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Speaker 3: they have some trait that they're there for. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Might have just been, hey, we needed five offensive linemen

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Speaker 3: We need a second quarterback. Leave a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: There's a seven year veteran long snapper that they brought in,

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Speaker 3: If you get that call, if you're him, you know

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Speaker 3: you have zero to one percent chance. But you still

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Speaker 3: say yes, you know what I mean, opportunity. You don't

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Speaker 2: Because what happens down the line, if, for example, Christian

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Speaker 2: Kons gets hurt, well that's the thing. Now, at least

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Speaker 2: least I don't know them. Yeah, at least it's a

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Speaker 2: guy that you've had in your building, right right, And

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Speaker 2: Danny might be like, oh no, or he's not bad.

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Speaker 2: You know, if emergency happens capable, Yeah, well he's fine

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Speaker 2: for the first call. If we're going to lose coons

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Speaker 2: for two weeks or something. Yeah, and that's exactly how

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Speaker 2: at least you're in the on the board. You know,

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Speaker 2: you did speed dating and it wasn't awful, but it

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Speaker 2: was super short. Explain how that works to people, Matt.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the pro personnel part of this whole thing, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the offseason, you still have a list on the walls basically,

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Speaker 3: Behind our pro personnel director's desk was our emergency board basically.

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Speaker 3: And it's really still a depth chart of all the

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Speaker 3: running backs available. It's more prominent like during the season though,

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Speaker 3: like you'll see they even show like on camera sometimes

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Speaker 3: while they lost two running backs in this game, and

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Speaker 3: You know, he's got this thing on this I've got

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Speaker 3: to have somebody here tomorrow. I need someone tomorrow, right

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Speaker 3: What running backs are available like that? The ward gets

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Speaker 3: you're actually getting new tape on you.

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Speaker 2: That guy gets signed, that guy got cut.

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Speaker 3: That too. I mean, there's a lot of names to

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Speaker 3: come off. But it's also that guy we had real low.

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Speaker 3: He looked pretty good in Week one against the Panthers.

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Speaker 3: In the preseason. We had scouts there. Maybe we should

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Speaker 3: bump them up a little bit. I mean, if the

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Speaker 3: day too. I mean, these guys get really spread thin.

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Speaker 3: Like just to tell story, one of my down the

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Speaker 3: line jobs and the Browns didn't value it much, and

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Speaker 3: not every team did. But when the CFL season ended,

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Speaker 3: a Canadian football r the GM said, Matt, give me

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Speaker 3: your ten best CFL player. I mean he told me

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Speaker 3: this before their season started. You know, just when any

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Speaker 3: of your free time, I'm not sending you to Canada.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to watch the Saskatchewan en Hamilton or yeah,

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Speaker 3: He's like, just give us a list. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to hold your feet to the fire. And frankly, no

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Speaker 3: one ever saw the list because people got fired and

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Speaker 3: the list is just looming around. But it so happens.

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Speaker 3: Number one on my list was Cameron Wake You turned

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Speaker 3: pro bowler multiple times for the Dolphins. You know, like

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 3: I think it made a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: We needed a fresh start, we needed a fresh start. George,

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Speaker 2: I've had people through you know, they instead of taking

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Speaker 3: Maybe it would have if Pickens wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, they took those two special teams guys in a

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, and I've realized you are not a

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Speaker 2: But there are people on our message board on YouTube

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Speaker 2: I'm not trashing George Pickens. But DK Metcalf has been

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Speaker 2: traits that's like rare. It's it's him in Calvin Austin

436
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: or Calvin Johnson. When you're talking about guys that size

437
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: that ran that fast.

438
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, that's it. That's the guys, right, I mean,

439
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 3: just size speed. He's as good as you're ever going

440
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 3: to see. So that's a pretty big part portion of

441
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 3: the talent pie right there. But I think Metcalf's a

442
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 3: better player, but definitely more consistent. He's more consistent. Pickens

443
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: is the better contested catch guy. Oh yeah, yeah, that's

444
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: really not Metcalf's game.

445
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: But that's not mecaska. Pickens might be the best contested

446
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: catch guy in the league, right, he's right now. The

447
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins is kind of tailed off, but it's a

448
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: different style. I think they're both top twenty to even

449
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: top fifteen wide receivers. I'd have to start putting there's

450
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: a lot uames on a list, but I do think

451
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 2: I think Metcalf is better and I think he is better,

452
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 2: to your point, a better fit for what they want

453
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: to do.

454
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: And let's just say game to game consistency was not

455
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,959
Speaker 3: pickings strong suit too. You know. Again, he might be

456
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: one of the top five receivers in the league when

457
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: his career is all over. I mean, I think he's

458
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 3: possible as high as anyone out there. I mean, but

459
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: you can't have zero catch games or you know, some

460
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: of that kind of.

461
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: The game against the Bengals last year.

462
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and this is critical drops that this

463
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: isn't this isn't kicking him on his way out the door.

464
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 2: I've said this all along. He had the worst game

465
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 2: of his career in that game. Yeah, yeah, period, Right,

466
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: if he catches any one of those passes, they win

467
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: that football game.

468
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's it was early in the year. It

469
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: was a lot of the fields time, there's a lot

470
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 3: of jogging through routes, and yes, there's some highlight blocks

471
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: in his career, but usually it's like on the backside,

472
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: it's no one's running behind him, you know. But I'm

473
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: a Pickings fan. I mean I think he's I think

474
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: he's a sad picking him on the way out football.

475
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Speaker 2: Player, and I think he's going to do very good

476
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: things in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah, And people were going to

477
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: kill Omar Khan over.

478
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: Oh.

479
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: I can't believe he gave that guy out until the

480
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: first game that he has where he gets like two targets. Yeah,

481
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna see the George Pickens that we

482
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: saw here in Pittsburgh unless he grows up. Unless he

483
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: goes up, and maybe he will. I hope for his

484
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: sake he does.

485
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: How many times we said you're allowed to get better.

486
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: You know, you're allowed to get better, You're allowed to mature,

487
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 3: you're allowed.

488
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: To Maybe this is a wake up call that he needed.

489
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it is for him. You know, he could

490
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: be tremendous. I mean, that could be one of the

491
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 3: best pairings in the league. Sure, there's no question I

492
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 3: see why Dallas did it.

493
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, but it just wasn't. I think part of

494
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: part of the the issue was here there was nobody

495
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: else that was on his level. He knew that, he

496
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: knew that Edione can see that. What they're gonna bench

497
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: me right right right, bench me right George Pickens. They

498
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: don't have anybody else that's even close to me.

499
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: Ben Jefferson's not closed, He's not pushing me at all.

500
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: I mean, any of those dudes there were, I mean

501
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: a lot of the guys that he saw a lot

502
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 3: of snaps on the field with with the ones they

503
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: weren't close to him, you know. And anyone can see that.

504
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: Everyone in the stadium saw that. Yeah, every defense saw it,

505
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: you know.

506
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: So I think some of the behavior might have might

507
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: have been with that because of that, Like I can

508
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: get away with it. I got I gotta show up

509
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: late for this because what they can do bench me.

510
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: No chance. I'm better than all these dudes. Drills with

511
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: them all day.

512
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Long, I can tell. I mean, they find him multiple times.

513
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well documented too. The league find him multiple times,

514
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: like you know, kind of had to go you know. Yeah,

515
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: it's just uh, you know. And and again, when con

516
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: is talking to his agent, the agent has the player's

517
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: best interest in mind as well. And if I'm the agent,

518
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 3: I'm going, well.

519
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dallas would be a better situation in terms of

520
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: you got your true number one. Not that this would

521
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: have been a bad situation for him with with Metcalf there.

522
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: But I do think a change of scenery.

523
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 3: Oh, I could say there's for him and the agent

524
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: to go to Dallas too. I mean, Daksa been the

525
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: quarterback for a long time. He's got a lot of

526
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: pelts on the wall there, you know, and ceedee, Lamb's

527
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: clearly the one. Now George is gonna have to understand

528
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: that or flourish with Lamb getting more targets than him,

529
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: which could happen, you know, right right, it could.

530
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: But in reality, the Steelers actually did him a favor

531
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: in a way. This isn't them sending Deontay Johnson to Carolina.

532
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: Oh. There's bad destinations and good destinations, and this was

533
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: a good one.

534
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

535
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: It's there a contending team with the quarterback and a

536
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: lot of playing time opportunity for him too.

537
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: That being said, I do think that the Steelers' options

538
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: were probably limited. Nobody else was nobody even pre draft,

539
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: even during the draft, nobody else was. There weren't thirty

540
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: one teams calling the Steelers about the availability of George

541
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: Pickens and this weren't.

542
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: There might have been a couple kicks of the tires,

543
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: but probably one team was truly buying. Yeah, maybe two.

544
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: And it wasn't doubt Dallas wasn't interested in George Pickens

545
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: during the draft.

546
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: Odor in the draft, dam it. Okay, that all.

547
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: Came to fruition here in the last couple a few days.

548
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: So they did seem set on Tep McMillan.

549
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they thought they were going to get him,

550
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: and then when they didn't, they're like, okay.

551
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 3: I guess there was a lot of talks between them

552
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: and Amari Cooper too, you know, post draft or around

553
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: the draft. You know, maybe they said, oh, this is

554
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: a better option, Yeah, not McMillan.

555
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: Chance to McMillan, and we'll see if it turns out

556
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: to be the case or not. I don't know, but

557
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: you know, so I think the Steelers look at to say, hey,

558
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: we can get this pick now for this guy, and

559
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: what I think is going to be a really loaded

560
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: draft next year.

561
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: This draft wasn't.

562
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: This draft was not.

563
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: I mean, we did eight million mock drafts, and you know,

564
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: I said over and over if you were picking four

565
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: or five, six, it wasn't a great spot to be in.

566
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: There weren't tackles, there weren't premium positions that are hard

567
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 3: to find. It was the weakest draft I can remember.

568
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: Think about it as when we went through our early

569
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: mock drafts right after the draft, some of the stuff

570
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: that was out there. How many offensive tackles we're in

571
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: that first round, how many quarterbacks were in that first round,

572
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: like premium pass rushers. It was loaded with those guys.

573
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to me, I mean we often talk about,

574
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: like we don't know if next year's quarterback class is

575
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: better or worse, and everyone could transfer and blah blah blah.

576
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: But I'll take I'll roll the dice that next year's

577
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: draft is better than this year's draft head to toe.

578
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: I mean, this was just a week draft, and I

579
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: thought that all along, Mason Graham's going four, you know,

580
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: it's like or five, you know, like Will Campbell's going four.

581
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: I mean those aren't knock your socks off top prospects.

582
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean I liked the quarterbacks in

583
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: this draft. I didn't love the quarterback There's a reason

584
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: why only two went in the first round. Yeah, and

585
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: it wasn't the two that everybody thought it was going

586
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: to be. One of them wasn't right, right, But anyways,

587
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: but it's it's we'll see how this all works out,

588
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: and I don't think they're done at receiver.

589
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: No, I don't think they are he said about that,

590
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: or if he addressed it, but I mean, don't totally

591
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: judge it until they go to play football. Yeah, again,

592
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: it's beginning.

593
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: Nor do I think they're going to wait until the

594
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: trade deadline to fill this position because somebody brought that up. Well,

595
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: they're just going to do what they're what they did

596
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: last year and wait until the trade deadline. No, I

597
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: don't think they will. They tried several different talks, yeah,

598
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: a lot. It's a pretty bad kept secret, right right.

599
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: It was the worst kept secret in Pittsburgh. They tried

600
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: to get Brandon a because they had a deal in

601
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: place for Christian Kirk before the trade deadline, and then

602
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: he went out and got hurt.

603
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: And they obviously had other trade talks with Yeah, they didn't.

604
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: Just start them with you. We're only going to talk

605
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: to these two teams about this, guys. I think in

606
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: terms of of that stuff, again, with the draft capital

607
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: that they had last year, going into this year, you

608
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: only had the seven picks, and so you know, you

609
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: probably weren't as likely to trade. This team wants a

610
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: four for that guy. We can't trade a four.

611
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: You're a little more limited. You got a lot of

612
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: cards in your hand right now.

613
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: Though you could trade a four now and.

614
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: It wouldn't wouldn't move the needle, could trade a five

615
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: or move the needle. And I do think teams will

616
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: covet picks for this upcoming draft.

617
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: And that's the other part of it, is that if

618
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: this draft is in fact deeper than the one we

619
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: saw the one we just saw, those picks are going

620
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: to be more valuable. You know you can you don't

621
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: have to wait till that line. You're gonna give me

622
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: a five. Okay, next year's draft.

623
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: Right, I might get a starter out of that, No

624
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: I or.

625
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Is omar con like, you know, hey, we'll give you

626
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: a four, you give us your six and.

627
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: Little trick. But now I think there's more to this

628
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: trade than just what makes you better right this second.

629
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: For the football team. I mean, there's locker room stuff,

630
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: there's contract stuff coming up, there's the ability to get

631
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: a pickins replacement slash. I mean, it's not gonna be

632
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: a one for one replacement. You're not going to find

633
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: someone as talented as him, I don't think. But you

634
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: might find someone more reliable, and you Metcalf in place.

635
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: So let's see how it plays out before we judge

636
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: the trade, because I think this is kind of a

637
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: two parter.

638
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is. I mean, con said, we're chasing

639
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: a championship in every decision we make is based on

640
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: trying to win a championship, not only in the future,

641
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: but this year. We're focused on trying to win a

642
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: championship this year. I know there's a lot of questions

643
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: about different things, but there's a lot of time between

644
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: now and the start of the season. Yeah, and rest

645
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: assured we're trying to win a championship this year.

646
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm glad he said. There's a lot of time between

647
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: now and the rest of the season. There's a lot

648
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: more moves they're going to happen with this roster overall. Yeah,

649
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: And Jerry Doulak put it out today. I just happened

650
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: to retweet it. I mean, think about all the snaps

651
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: and starters they've lost off last year's roster, and I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of them are for the better, you know,

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Speaker 3: so we'll see. Yeah, there's got a lot of change already.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Change isn't always in the coaching staff, right, which

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Speaker 2: is what a lot of Well, you got to change

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Speaker 2: coaching staff. Well, sometimes you gotta change of players, said,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy's and Joe not the x's and o's necessarily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back

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Speaker 2: with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: In the least, He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt. We closed out the last segment. I said,

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Speaker 2: it's about the Jimmies and Joe's, not the x's and o's.

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Speaker 2: And I know the immediate response to by some Well,

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Speaker 2: Mike Talman helps pick the Jimmies and Joe's. Yeah, he does,

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Speaker 2: he does, right, Sometimes you just get a bad mix.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you got to shake it up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Right, And you got to shake things up a little

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Speaker 2: bit and change your Jimmies and Joe's to maybe get

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Speaker 2: better at also get better at the ex's and o's

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Speaker 2: and sometimes those Jimmies and Joe's. Let's remember you have

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Speaker 2: a brand new offensive coordinator coming in.

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Speaker 3: That's a big part of it too.

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Speaker 2: Who is different from the guy that was here before

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Speaker 2: that Augie Harris doesn't fit to hit this running scheme

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Speaker 2: you talking about DK Metcalf versus George Pickens and breakers

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that, right right, the quarterback situation.

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Speaker 3: It also kind of bothers me. And we've talked about

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Speaker 3: this before too, like people will look at the draft

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Speaker 3: class or the draft pick of Pickens, Oh that was

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Speaker 3: a miss.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: You got a lot from him, you know, you flipped

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Speaker 3: him for something in the end too. I mean, just

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Speaker 3: because you don't extend these guys doesn't mean it was

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Speaker 3: a terrible pick or he was useless for you, or

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Speaker 3: the nausea hairs pick. We talked to it to know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Naji Harris was a bust? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean you got four one thousand yard seasons out

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Speaker 2: of that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean guys that don't help you at all.

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Speaker 3: Or bus that's a bus. Yeahonzo Jackson's a bus right right.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers have their share, just like every other team.

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Speaker 3: There's guys that don't make it in the league. Those

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Speaker 3: are bus Now, that doesn't mean it's the best pick

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Speaker 3: you possibly could write. We don't have that crystal ball

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Speaker 3: on draft day. You can't predict the future. But the

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Speaker 3: pickings pick is not an issue to me.

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Speaker 2: No. Right, if you would have had to cut him,

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Speaker 2: that's different and he got nothing back in return, right,

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Speaker 2: then then we're talking about Okay, that was troublesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh he helped you win games and important and

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Speaker 3: he got you he yielded you a nice.

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Speaker 2: Pick, you know, right, Yeah, so I don't look at

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Speaker 2: that at all. And you know again sometimes you just

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, it's such it's become such a year

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Speaker 2: to year league that what worked last year were this

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Speaker 2: group moving into this group. I mean there's there's forty

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Speaker 2: percent turnover on your roster every year all the time.

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Speaker 2: Let alone, you're changing over now, you know, quarterback, running back,

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Speaker 2: wide receiver, like I mean, they're making major changes in

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Speaker 2: a way.

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Speaker 3: And this is sound bad, but they're searching on offense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you wouldn't go year to year with a

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Speaker 3: different quarterback room, you know, as much they're they're searching,

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Speaker 3: and they're rolling dice and rolling dice until it comes

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Speaker 3: up with the right combination of offensive players. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: it's going to be wonderful this year, but they kind

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Speaker 3: of knew what didn't work last year, so we'll try

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Speaker 3: something else. I mean, that's what every team does, you know.

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Speaker 2: I will say this regarding that, at least now you've

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Speaker 2: had two consecutive drafts of picking players that fit what

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Speaker 2: you want to be offensively.

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Speaker 3: One hundred cent. That's why continuity is so important too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the style of offensive linemen, they're going to

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Speaker 3: be more athletic, They're not going to be mashers that

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Speaker 3: you mentioned. The style of running back, no question, receive

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Speaker 3: your number one receivers more of an inbreaker type than

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Speaker 3: the other guy that you inherited, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean Arthur Smith was here when they drafted Roman Wilson.

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Speaker 2: You think he fits Arthur Smith's offense, Well, they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have taken him in the third round if he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think we were talking during the draft

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Speaker 3: a little bit about Roman Wilson with with Mike Pursudo,

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Speaker 3: you know, and he's not one to throw.

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Speaker 2: Out accolades are a lot of from Wolverines. Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 3: Don't want people to forget what he is too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's primarily a slot, but he he made a lot

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Speaker 3: of money going over the middle of the field in

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Speaker 3: breakers third down machine, you know, on a national championship team. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well that translates to beating the Ravens. It's a big

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Speaker 3: jump for anybody. But it's still out there. Can't hurt, right, right, right, right,

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Speaker 3: But he was drafted with Arthur Smith's style in mind, too, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, we haven't

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Speaker 2: gotten Again. People saying that he's a bust already, you're

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Speaker 2: out of your mind. You don't talking.

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Speaker 3: About and Russell Wilson kind of worked out, kind of didn't,

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Speaker 3: but we knew when the Steelers signed him, and really

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Speaker 3: for the much of his career. He's got a pitching

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Speaker 3: wedge and a potter and he's got a driver, you know,

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Speaker 3: and that's great for Pickens, you know, like the Pickens

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Speaker 3: Wilson combination's quite good. That worked, That worked, That worked.

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Speaker 3: I mean that adds up a ton. If he's gonna

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Speaker 3: give him a loan, I'm gonna throw the go ball

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Speaker 3: on the moon ball. Well, not even have a different quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't make Pickens worth less. But their

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Speaker 3: vision a year ago was, well, Wilson and Pickens should

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Speaker 3: work really well together, and for the most part they did. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know that works.

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Speaker 2: They just didn't wait till the midnight hour to sweep

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Speaker 2: it away. So there it is.

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Speaker 3: Who's your favorite pan?

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that's going to do it for our number one

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Speaker 2: of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt

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Speaker 2: and I'll be back with our number two right after

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Speaker 2: this