Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, Well, if
Speaker 1: you don't like spiders, I've got bad news for you,
Speaker 1: because today is all about spiders, from cute baby spider
Speaker 1: dreams to spider catapults and the friendship between a spider
Speaker 1: and a carnivorous plant. Discover this more as we answer
Speaker 1: the angel question, what's ruder after mating, eating your partner
Speaker 1: or yeating your partner? Joining me today is someone tougher
Speaker 1: than Bear Grills, host of the podcast Fogo Fear of
Speaker 1: Going Outside, a story of conquering the outdoors one twig
Speaker 1: at a time. Welcome Ivy Lee, Hey Greedy, so good
Speaker 1: to be here. I'm so happy that you're joining me. Uh.
Speaker 1: Your podcast is about someone who is now I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be rude here, but self described kind of
Speaker 1: an indoor person, uh, making their way to the outdoors. Uh,
Speaker 1: sort of one one little bit. Why why would I
Speaker 1: think being an indoor person is? I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything wrong with being an indoor person. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I agree. I actually I do love the outdoors. But
Speaker 1: I agree with you on a lot of your points
Speaker 1: that you make on your podcast, the primary thing being
Speaker 1: that plumbing is an incredible invention that I love, and
Speaker 1: clean water I can't get enough of it. Clean water
Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, not having to filter your water look
Speaker 1: for worms in it. Yeah, it's I have been backpacking before,
Speaker 1: and while I enjoyed certain aspects to it, the lack
Speaker 1: of plumbing um. Also, like, so when you go to
Speaker 1: kind of high altitudes, you have to peel a lot
Speaker 1: because like it's um more stress on your kidneys. And
Speaker 1: so I would go have to go pee, like in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night a bunch of times, and
Speaker 1: I would go and then like find a little private place, um,
Speaker 1: and humans wouldn't bother me. But animals don't realize that,
Speaker 1: like this is your private time. And so I would
Speaker 1: have like mice or marmots or something like come and
Speaker 1: join me while I'm trying to pee in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. And I gotta say, as much as
Speaker 1: I love animals, maybe not in that context. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the animals were judging you and they're like, wow, she's
Speaker 1: just so pretty traditional. She's right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I think I did make a decision that when I
Speaker 1: had like a mouse run over my foot while I
Speaker 1: was trying to pee, Like, you know what if I
Speaker 1: if I go camping again, I want there to be
Speaker 1: like some kind of bathroom facility. Yeah, I want that
Speaker 1: for you. I want to you. I thought I thought
Speaker 1: people had to peel a lot in the mountains because
Speaker 1: because they're because from the drinking. Yeah you have to
Speaker 1: you have Oh you mean like drinking alcohol or drinking water, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: but out from alcohol. Ah yeah, no, I I if
Speaker 1: I I absolutely cannot drink alcohol when I'm like hiking
Speaker 1: in high altitudes because then it would be the hike
Speaker 1: would be one bathroom related So we can't have that.
Speaker 1: But majestic and the waterfalls like the glacier drip is
Speaker 1: your bidet right exactly? Yeah, I mean, if if all,
Speaker 1: if all the hike was sort of bid at base,
Speaker 1: then maybe I could enjoy a beer in the great outdoors.
Speaker 1: But until then, no, Um, but enough about me and
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom, which uh, normally my podcast is
Speaker 1: not about that, So don't worry folks. Um, you you're
Speaker 1: not so much of an outdoor person, but you are
Speaker 1: forcing yourself to learn more about the outdoors. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people can relate to that, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to insects and God forbid spiders. What
Speaker 1: are your feelings towards spiders? M tepid. I would say
Speaker 1: spiders are Uh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Speaker 1: Is how I look at spiders, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: mess with them, I don't touch them. If I see them,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a very good reason that they're there,
Speaker 1: and we just look the other way and have a
Speaker 1: have ah an armistice with each other. Right, you have
Speaker 1: a cordial but chilly relationship. So yeah, I like that. That.
Speaker 1: So your enemy is generally insects, and since spiders do
Speaker 1: eat insects, they are you form kind of an alliance,
Speaker 1: like a lazy fair kind of you let them be
Speaker 1: and hopefully they let you be. Hopefully we do. I
Speaker 1: live in Texas. We do have poisonous spiders like poisonous
Speaker 1: to humans like them. What do you have Do you
Speaker 1: have brown widows? Uh? We do. We have the brown recluse,
Speaker 1: brown recluse. Yeah, that's right, brown widow. Do you have
Speaker 1: black widows as well? I mean it's Texas probably. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: venomous spiders tend to be pretty shy, like they don't
Speaker 1: really want to bite you. They don't really want to
Speaker 1: interact with you. They just want to go about their business,
Speaker 1: eat lots of bugs, have lots of babies, and on
Speaker 1: occasion be in your shoes. But other than that, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're fine, they're chill. You're a You're a worthy ambassador, right,
Speaker 1: I like, I'm very good at pr for spiders. I
Speaker 1: I do. Actually, there are certain spiders that I like.
Speaker 1: So of course I don't love the venomous spiders just
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to, you know, get
Speaker 1: necrosis or something. Um. But I do really like jumping spiders.
Speaker 1: They to me are cute. So have you ever seen
Speaker 1: a jumping spider's cute little face? I have, and it
Speaker 1: was not cute. It was face to face with a
Speaker 1: jumping spider and a blind because I'm learning, I'm in
Speaker 1: season two production for Fogo right now. This season, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to become a hunter. So
Speaker 1: I spent hours and a blind with a jumping spider,
Speaker 1: hours together with this jump in spider. It was not cute,
Speaker 1: not the spider, the spider did not feel good about it.
Speaker 1: I did not feel good about it. It's a bit
Speaker 1: awkward then between you two. But you know to me,
Speaker 1: like they got those big adorable eyes though, and they're fluffy,
Speaker 1: So tell what is the finding? Like, what is the
Speaker 1: difference between a puppy and a jumping spider? Fluffy and
Speaker 1: big eyes? Like? What is it? The number of legs?
Speaker 1: Like what? I think it's it's the stance. You know
Speaker 1: that the jumping spider always looks poised to like mess
Speaker 1: you up, I guess, although you know that sometimes puppies
Speaker 1: are poised as well to get on you and show
Speaker 1: everything that you have and own. Uh, But personally I
Speaker 1: find jumping spiders cute. Your your mileage might vary. Some
Speaker 1: people don't find them so cute, but they are really interesting.
Speaker 1: They are a fascinating spider and they are the world's
Speaker 1: most visual spiders. So visual as in they actually use
Speaker 1: their vision in a way that most spiders do not.
Speaker 1: So they actually are the only spiders that can track
Speaker 1: your movement just by moveing their eyes and not their
Speaker 1: whole bodies. Well that's exactly what the spider was doing
Speaker 1: to be the entire time. What was it collecting what
Speaker 1: information where they using their eyes for well, they they
Speaker 1: do hunt, so they use their vision to hunt. They
Speaker 1: also use their vision in selecting a mate. So there
Speaker 1: are a lot of jumping spiders that are really beautiful.
Speaker 1: So like peacock jumping spiders, they have these fantastic displays
Speaker 1: of color, and they do these little dances. They wiggle
Speaker 1: their butts, they waved their arms. Uh. To me, it's
Speaker 1: it's the cutest rave in the world. Um. But they
Speaker 1: need to be able to see this in order to
Speaker 1: appreciate it and select a mate based on these dances.
Speaker 1: So you're saying I should be flattered by the attention. Yes.
Speaker 1: So they have four pairs of eyes, uh, with which
Speaker 1: they can see move, vivid color. They can see in
Speaker 1: higher resolution than most animals, including humans. So those big
Speaker 1: cute dew we eyes that I've described that for some
Speaker 1: reason you don't find so cute, Uh, those are actually
Speaker 1: the principle eyes. Uh. These eyes can see color and resolution,
Speaker 1: and they can move their retina's around to track something
Speaker 1: that they're looking at. So there are other eyes are
Speaker 1: more like other spiders eyes, they can't move. They mostly
Speaker 1: specialize in detecting movement, especially in the periphery. But with
Speaker 1: these principle eyes, they can see really well and they
Speaker 1: have this very acute visual system. This is what's really
Speaker 1: interesting is there is some new research about these spiders
Speaker 1: and the question is, well, if they can see right,
Speaker 1: if they if vision is really important to them, Like
Speaker 1: how do they think? Do they think in images? Like
Speaker 1: do they dream in images? There is actually some recent
Speaker 1: evidence that jumping spiders may be able to have visual dreams, dreams,
Speaker 1: like like what do we think that they are, Like
Speaker 1: like they're just like tripping on mushrooms the entire time
Speaker 1: or do you mean they're like one day I'm going
Speaker 1: to be as big as this like hunter I'm looking
Speaker 1: at right now one day. One day I'm going to
Speaker 1: have my own podcast like Dreams Spider Aspirations. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like like when they sleep, Uh, it would be
Speaker 1: like when you when we have dreams, Like when we sleep,
Speaker 1: we have a bunch of like we can sometimes replay
Speaker 1: the day, but sometimes we have sort of invented dreams.
Speaker 1: Sort of we take an amalgamation of the information we've
Speaker 1: learned over our lives and like turn it into this
Speaker 1: kind of you know, private film that we show ourselves
Speaker 1: we're like processing our traumas and emotions. Is that what
Speaker 1: the spiders do? They're like processing main traumas. Spiders Like
Speaker 1: one day I was like sitting here and then I
Speaker 1: saw this lady and I want to be friends with her,
Speaker 1: but she didn't want to be friends with me, and
Speaker 1: I was very sad, and so I had a dream
Speaker 1: where we were friends. So and then then she picked
Speaker 1: me up and I became her, and she became me,
Speaker 1: and we became one. And who knows where her legs
Speaker 1: and my legs and my legs and my legs ended
Speaker 1: in began? Uh the dj TSO track like swells is
Speaker 1: this love? So we don't know exactly what a spider
Speaker 1: would dream, but there is evidence that they do dreams.
Speaker 1: So this evidence actually the research came about in a
Speaker 1: pretty cute manner. Daniella Russler is an ecologist at the
Speaker 1: University of Constants in Germany, and she noticed that when
Speaker 1: jumping spiders sleep, they twitch their little legs like dogs
Speaker 1: and cats do. And they're sleep, you know how, like
Speaker 1: your dog or your cat might start to like move
Speaker 1: their little legs a little bit, twitch a little bit
Speaker 1: as they're maybe dreaming about running or jumping or having
Speaker 1: their dream come true of catching a car. And like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder if my dog just dreams that she's
Speaker 1: really big because she's a little dog, and so it's
Speaker 1: like that she's maybe she's dreaming. She's just huge, and
Speaker 1: like she's like, I'm I'm the human now, I say,
Speaker 1: when I have dog food, look at me, look at me.
Speaker 1: I'm the human now. Yeah, yeah, I am the one.
Speaker 1: Yes of the captain. I'm the captain now. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: they twitched in their sleeping so this research, I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're dreaming. And so she set up
Speaker 1: a baby spider nursery sleep lab in her home, as
Speaker 1: one does, and basically a bunch of had a bunch
Speaker 1: of baby spy fiers hanging from a thread, curled up
Speaker 1: in sleeping position that she's studied. Wow. The reason she
Speaker 1: used baby spiders is their heads are transparent, so you
Speaker 1: can visually measure the movement of the spider's retina's so spiders,
Speaker 1: that's disgusting. That's so gross. Uh, it's only like Peter
Speaker 1: Parker had like since he I mean he's a kid, right,
Speaker 1: he's like a teenager. If he had really gotten the
Speaker 1: spider DNA. I guess he would have been more like
Speaker 1: see through, like you could kind of see his blood
Speaker 1: vessels and some of his organs. That that would have
Speaker 1: been fun. You just like I think he just entered
Speaker 1: into like a rachnid teendom, right, which is brutal, Which
Speaker 1: is brutal way to enter your aragnid life. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: this researcher found that these tiny baby jumping spiders actually
Speaker 1: demonstrate rim sleep ari e m sleep, which is rapid
Speaker 1: eye movement which until recently has only been thought to
Speaker 1: be characteristic of vertebrates. So this is the first invertebrate
Speaker 1: who may demonstrate rim sleep, which is really interesting. Arachnas
Speaker 1: they're just like us, yeah, I mean, so they're to
Speaker 1: clarify with their eyes, they don't like when we move
Speaker 1: our eyes, our whole eyes kind of move in our sockets.
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna see like you're not gonna look
Speaker 1: at one of these spider's face and see their eyeballs
Speaker 1: like moving around in their sockets. But the back of
Speaker 1: their eyes, their retinas move and rotate, and so you
Speaker 1: can see that with like a flashlight when you study them,
Speaker 1: but you're not necessarily going to see them moving their
Speaker 1: eyes towards you, for for better or for worse. I
Speaker 1: guess that might maybe that's a comfort for some people
Speaker 1: that they're not gonna suddenly see a spider side eyeing them.
Speaker 1: But like, so their retinas are separate from their arrest
Speaker 1: of their eyes. Their retina's um. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: like if you hold a rubber band um and then
Speaker 1: you like hold it firm with one hand and then
Speaker 1: like you can move the back of it with one hand.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like how it works. So like muscles
Speaker 1: can pull the back of their eye and move it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I guess I was about to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's like weird, but now I realize
Speaker 1: that I have no idea how my eye works, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know if my retina is the same at all. Well,
Speaker 1: our retina and our are the rest of our eye
Speaker 1: moves sort of um together in unison and it rotates
Speaker 1: around in our eye socket. Uh. And there are muscles
Speaker 1: that line so like um wrap around the eye. By
Speaker 1: sort of tensing these muscles, the whole eye moves. Uh.
Speaker 1: And like it's it's not you know, like we can't
Speaker 1: move our eyes three D sixty degrees and just spin
Speaker 1: them around freely, because that's the muscles can only move
Speaker 1: them so much like side to side, up, down, you
Speaker 1: know so much. Um. And so for these spiders, those
Speaker 1: muscles are just located at the back of their eye
Speaker 1: and sort of move around, uh their retina, whereas the
Speaker 1: the actual eyeball itself is remaining uh still unstable. But
Speaker 1: it's like you know, it's not their eyes are kind
Speaker 1: of wiggily. They can they have some give there, you
Speaker 1: see why, you see why this is really unsettling. Um, Yes,
Speaker 1: of course I see why that it would be unsettling
Speaker 1: to a normal person. Yes, but yees, so they will
Speaker 1: have u this rapid eye movement that you can see
Speaker 1: with these with these little baby spiders that you use
Speaker 1: a flashlight to see right through them. And they would
Speaker 1: also twitch like a little which I think is cute
Speaker 1: maybe like to someone a twitching dreaming spider is menacing,
Speaker 1: but like their little legs like twitching like a puppy.
Speaker 1: And so what do they dream about? One can only
Speaker 1: get us. Uh, they are hoping to continue to investigate
Speaker 1: the extent to which the jumping spiders dream, but we
Speaker 1: don't know what they are dreaming. About world domination. Maybe
Speaker 1: just like a like a just flying because they can't
Speaker 1: really fly, right, they can just kind of jump, but
Speaker 1: they have flying dreams when they're I'm not certain about
Speaker 1: jumping spiders, but for a lot of spiders when they
Speaker 1: are very small, like baby spiderlings, they actually do take
Speaker 1: to the sky because they release like a strand of
Speaker 1: webbing that they use as sort of like a parachute,
Speaker 1: and they're so small that the wind just like carries
Speaker 1: them away and so they fly. This is how they disperse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think jumping spiders do also do. This behavior is
Speaker 1: called ballooning. Uh So maybe maybe you're right, maybe they
Speaker 1: do dream about flying, uh fond dreams of flying in
Speaker 1: their in their babyhood. It's just like remember or that
Speaker 1: feeling that freedom. And they see birds in the sky.
Speaker 1: They see these like insects that fly and then they
Speaker 1: get tangled in their webs and they're just like crunching
Speaker 1: out and they're just like eating them. They're like, maybe
Speaker 1: if I eat them all get the ability to fly,
Speaker 1: and then they dream about it. Yeah, yeah, it could be.
Speaker 1: I mean I would imagine they probably dream about things
Speaker 1: like like seeing seeing food, eating it, um and maybe
Speaker 1: or maybe like seeing a mate, you know, standard stuff,
Speaker 1: standard spider stuff, or taking sexy spider dreams, sexy sexy
Speaker 1: spider dreams, sexy spider dreams, seeing dreaming of a male
Speaker 1: waggling its abdomen and waving its arms, and then just
Speaker 1: like when it's about to get to the good part,
Speaker 1: like something lands in the net. Yeah. Yeah, it's always
Speaker 1: the way, isn't it when you find the sexy spider
Speaker 1: man of your dreams, like in your dream and then
Speaker 1: your alarm goes off. M HM's exactly how it goes. Well,
Speaker 1: and we come back, we're going to talk more about spiders.
Speaker 1: Uh this time, the mating is not a dream, and
Speaker 1: it also ends a little bit in a nightmare. It's
Speaker 1: a nightmare. So uh so, spider males have a classic problem,
Speaker 1: which is how do you mate without getting eaten by
Speaker 1: your much larger partner? You know what? You know how
Speaker 1: that is? Yeah? I do. As a human woman, I
Speaker 1: do know. How do you find a connection without being cannibalized?
Speaker 1: That's that's every woman on a dating apps dilemma? And
Speaker 1: I suddenly find spiders extremely related. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a win for feminism. Actually, where the females are
Speaker 1: larger and the ones that eat the males, Like, is
Speaker 1: that a win for feminism or is that like a
Speaker 1: loss because it's about equality. I don't know. Hashtag the
Speaker 1: bay it's lost. I think we're I think if we're
Speaker 1: just if we're just gonna, you know, rebuild a structures
Speaker 1: of oppression. Yeah, that's what was the point. Spiders like,
Speaker 1: we want equality. We don't want to eat men. I guess,
Speaker 1: all right, want them to help build our webs and
Speaker 1: help them raise our children. Well, they hackled orb weaver
Speaker 1: species Filiponola prominence is one of these spiders in which
Speaker 1: the males do have to worry about the female eating them.
Speaker 1: The hackled or weaver female has a large, round abdomen
Speaker 1: with these kind of bumpy protrusions, whereas the male is
Speaker 1: less than half her size and much scrawnier, and so
Speaker 1: would be a relatively easy snack for the female after copulation.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nothing personal. It's just like get hungry
Speaker 1: after that kind of thing. Yeah, it's extra, it's cardio,
Speaker 1: it's exercise, you know, a lot of stress, and then
Speaker 1: like it's awkward to like once you're done. So it's
Speaker 1: like it's a win win, you eat. You know, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: the awkwardness over. There's no question of like do I leave,
Speaker 1: do I say we get some uber eats over? And
Speaker 1: do I just eat you? Yeah? Uh. So the male
Speaker 1: is not so into this, would much prefer only to
Speaker 1: please his partner's sexual appetite and not her you know,
Speaker 1: hunger appetite for his little body, so he will uh
Speaker 1: try to escape the female and this hackled or weaver
Speaker 1: spider has a fantastic method of escape, which is catapulting
Speaker 1: himself off of her after the mating deed has been done.
Speaker 1: So when you look at a video of when you
Speaker 1: look at this in real life, it actually looks like
Speaker 1: the male teleports away from the female um, but when
Speaker 1: you look at it in slow motion, you can see
Speaker 1: he's pushing off of her and just like being like
Speaker 1: all right, well that's done, sia, and just flinging himself
Speaker 1: away like she's like was this something I said? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean you were a snack in that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they use their front legs to push off the female,
Speaker 1: eating themselves away in the nick of time, and males
Speaker 1: that did not use the strategy or who weren't fast enough,
Speaker 1: researchers found were typically consumed by the female, so it
Speaker 1: is a very important survival technique for these males. And
Speaker 1: the way they're able to fling themselves off so quickly
Speaker 1: is that the joints in their front legs so the
Speaker 1: legs are folded against the females abdomen during mating, and
Speaker 1: once they're done, the male squeezes hemo lymph, which is
Speaker 1: basically spider blood through the leg really quickly, using hydraulics
Speaker 1: to quickly unfold the leg as uh, and then it
Speaker 1: acts as this spring and just jettisons the male off
Speaker 1: of the female. Oh wow, and there are there. That's
Speaker 1: that's a good system. That's a very different system than
Speaker 1: what we do with our blood. Yeah, we don't so
Speaker 1: much like squish our blood around to move, but spiders do.
Speaker 1: They're kind of hot hydraulic based movement with their legs
Speaker 1: and they're like and I live to copulate another day za.
Speaker 1: And they're also it is truly sort of like a
Speaker 1: robin Hood esque movement because they're attached to a thread
Speaker 1: of silk that uh, they trailed behind them, So when
Speaker 1: they launched themselves away, they swing on their silk out
Speaker 1: of her clutches to safety. So it really is like
Speaker 1: the little robin Hood spiders of mating, uh, mating from
Speaker 1: the females and then uh and then just like uh
Speaker 1: youing sent away and jump it away. How do you
Speaker 1: how do you practice safe spider sex? First you need
Speaker 1: to anchor yourself with a silk thread to a safe location.
Speaker 1: You study the stunts of classical actor Errol flynn Um
Speaker 1: and this is how you you know, this is how
Speaker 1: you practice responsible save spider sex. Man, these little it's
Speaker 1: just these little Tom Cruise spiders. I respect it, you know,
Speaker 1: like is it maybe it's is it a little disrespectful? Yes,
Speaker 1: But you know, on the other hand, I appreciate the stunts.
Speaker 1: Like you know, if if you have a one night
Speaker 1: stand and someone you know, your partner just leaves, that's
Speaker 1: kind of sucky. But like if you have a one
Speaker 1: night stand in your partner does like a does a
Speaker 1: back flip out of your apartment, that's cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: can we got like, can we call the mission impossible spiders?
Speaker 1: Because if we call them Tom Cruise spiders, and it
Speaker 1: would actually be the female spider that would have to
Speaker 1: hatch a extreme only detailed plan to a skipe is true.
Speaker 1: That is true. In that case, it is acceptable to
Speaker 1: eat the Tom Cruise spider, I believe, And what other
Speaker 1: choice do you have? I know exactly. This is not
Speaker 1: This is legally speaking, this is not a threat. We
Speaker 1: are not going to cannibalize Tom Cruise. We're just saying
Speaker 1: he's not a great person, so like I guess, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't taste very good. We're just saying, we're just saying
Speaker 1: that relationships are complicated. Exactly. Thank you, my my legal team,
Speaker 1: thanks you. So Onto another spider who uses physics to
Speaker 1: achieve amazing stunts. The genus Hiptiatis is a small, brown,
Speaker 1: fuzzy spider I think kind of cute because they have
Speaker 1: such a round abdomen. They're just like real, real chunksters,
Speaker 1: and they use physics to catch prey. They're called the
Speaker 1: triangle weaver spider, and they're called the triangle weaver because
Speaker 1: they weave triangle shaped webs and it seems like a
Speaker 1: really odd web shape until you find out what they
Speaker 1: do with them. So they position themselves at the tip
Speaker 1: of the triangle and anchor themselves to like a branch,
Speaker 1: and they loaded like a sling shot where they are
Speaker 1: basically the projectile. Uh So when they spot prey like
Speaker 1: prey lands in their web or near their web, they
Speaker 1: will launch themselves and the web towards it. Uh. It
Speaker 1: is so effective that they can accelerate over twenty times
Speaker 1: the acceleration of a space shuttle, over twenty times the
Speaker 1: acceleration of a space shuttle of a space shuttle. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, My question is why aren't we
Speaker 1: Why aren't we deputizing these spiders to be astronauts. Why
Speaker 1: aren't we sling shotting our astronauts into space? Is it?
Speaker 1: Why can't we sling shot bezos? Yeah? I mean right
Speaker 1: into the sun actually, but just yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it is a question. I do sometimes wonder if, like
Speaker 1: any of the astrophysicists have thought about using a giant
Speaker 1: sling shot. I think it's you know, maybe maybe that
Speaker 1: would work, you know what I mean, just like, get
Speaker 1: a lot of a huge rubber band, get a lot
Speaker 1: of people to pull it back, and that way we're
Speaker 1: not using fuel, right hopefully. Yeah, I'm sure they thought
Speaker 1: about this. I'm sure they have. There's probably some problem
Speaker 1: with a giant rubber band shooting a rocket into space,
Speaker 1: But honestly, I can't think of one. I mean, what
Speaker 1: if we take the example of this spider, right, what's
Speaker 1: the scale? Is the spider just like the size of
Speaker 1: a person on a football field, or would the slingshot
Speaker 1: have to be like as big as like I don't know,
Speaker 1: the Empire State building or something or Liefel Tower to
Speaker 1: actually like get a human sized person in proportion to spider,
Speaker 1: I mean out into space into space. Like, so this
Speaker 1: spider does not go space distances to get a human
Speaker 1: into space using sort of a spider web that's scaled
Speaker 1: up to human. Um. I can totally do the math
Speaker 1: of that in my head absolutely, Uh, going into states
Speaker 1: like with that acceleration, I mean, how far are they going?
Speaker 1: The spiders aren't going that far, but they're accelerating extremely quickly,
Speaker 1: so you can see like it looks like they're teleporting,
Speaker 1: Like they just kind of go from one end of
Speaker 1: their web suddenly they've like teleported three inches teleported another inch,
Speaker 1: So they are it's just like it happens in the
Speaker 1: blink of an eye, and they'll do it multi full times,
Speaker 1: so like um, kind of pause uh and then slingshot
Speaker 1: themselves again. Pause, reloads sling shot themselves again as they
Speaker 1: get closer and closer to this prey, and it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of from the praise perspective, from like this flies perspective,
Speaker 1: it must be really creepy because it's like the spider
Speaker 1: being one place and then suddenly it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: three inches closer to you, suddenly another inch closer to you,
Speaker 1: and it's moving so quickly. It's really hard to track
Speaker 1: this spider with your with your vision. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is terrifying. It there was a Doctor Who episode
Speaker 1: about this with these like statues only move when your
Speaker 1: eyes are closer. Every time you blink, they're just like
Speaker 1: menacingly a menacing distance closer to you. This is even
Speaker 1: if you don't blink, Honestly, it just keeps coming towards you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is absolutely a horror movie trope. Um.
Speaker 1: It's like if you saw a sort of a monster
Speaker 1: at the other end of a room and then like
Speaker 1: it basically just moves really quickly and in the blink
Speaker 1: of an eye is you know, like five ft closer
Speaker 1: to you. And also you're trapped in its sticky web
Speaker 1: and you're so doomed and about to have your insides
Speaker 1: lico fide and sucked out of you. I'm sorry, where
Speaker 1: were you trying to make spiders more relatable this episode?
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of forgot about that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's cool though, Actually, like, look at these little
Speaker 1: guys like a real dinnis the Menace kind of kind
Speaker 1: of dude, just like with its little sling shot past
Speaker 1: during his neighbors, sucking the juices out of its victims,
Speaker 1: you know, just like give us the menace? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: boys will be boys, Boys will be boys. This is
Speaker 1: probably a female actually, but yes, spiders will be spiderbiders
Speaker 1: will be spiders exactly. That's a much less toxic phrase.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, how toxic are they? How
Speaker 1: toxic are they? I don't is it a less toxic phrase?
Speaker 1: How toxic are these spiders? These ones? I don't think
Speaker 1: they're very venomous in terms of humans. How do they kill?
Speaker 1: How do they how do they kill their prey? Are
Speaker 1: they like choking it? Are they injecting it out? Is
Speaker 1: it a is it a you know, kick to the suplex?
Speaker 1: How much does it suck to be a fly? You
Speaker 1: spend your life like all you eat is like poop Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a crappy life, short crappy, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: have a spider essentially teleport itself at you and bite
Speaker 1: you and juices. You end in a horror movie. You
Speaker 1: live in a Dickinson novel. Right right, you're like poise,
Speaker 1: So may I have some more um animal poop, just
Speaker 1: you know, like little little h No, it's tiny Tim.
Speaker 1: Isn't the one? What's the one who asks for more porridge?
Speaker 1: I think that one is that want to tail a
Speaker 1: two cities small Samuel, a little little little Orge. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know it's it's is it is that David
Speaker 1: Copperfield Oliver No, Oliver twist, Oliver twist wants more porridge?
Speaker 1: So Oliver this Oliver twitch, Oliver twitch. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I guess that works for a spider. Oliver twitch, spider
Speaker 1: asking for more porridge, but the porridge is specs um.
Speaker 1: And then that's the fly, right. I can't believe. I
Speaker 1: can't believe. We were trying, we were trying to make
Speaker 1: spiders more relatable, and you actually made me have sympathy
Speaker 1: for flies. Yeah that was also hate flies. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have to reclaim my hatred for flies and the disease
Speaker 1: that they spread, and the oddslat that they bring to
Speaker 1: every picnic I've ever held. Yeah, now that that that
Speaker 1: was an accident. I was trying to do pr for
Speaker 1: the spiders. Actually, you know what, the triangle weaver spider,
Speaker 1: the one that we're talking about, does not have venom,
Speaker 1: and that's actually probably why it uses it's uh it's
Speaker 1: webbing in this manner in order to disable its prey.
Speaker 1: And then basically it just kind of, I guess, just
Speaker 1: just scares it to death, probably choose on it to death,
Speaker 1: eats it to death, which, yeah, it just eats it
Speaker 1: a lie, it eats it eats it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: at some point it probably does die from the eating.
Speaker 1: But nature is brutal, brutal, harsh, but fair. Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not fair, it's just harsh. It's neutral, it's neutral.
Speaker 1: When we get back, I will actually tell you a
Speaker 1: story that I think makes spiders cute or maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe just makes plants more menacing. You be the judge
Speaker 1: when we get back after a very quick break. So,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have been remiss in my mission
Speaker 1: to make spiders more relatable because we did have the
Speaker 1: cute dreaming baby spiders and uh, which seemed to only
Speaker 1: kind of unsettle you the fact that spiders, well, because
Speaker 1: you told me that their heads were clear. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know, semi translucent and if you shine a light
Speaker 1: through you can see the back of their eyeballs. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I see what the problem is yet. And
Speaker 1: then I talked about how some male spiders will catapult
Speaker 1: themselves off the female so that they don't get eaten
Speaker 1: after mating. Again, I feel like this is an awkward
Speaker 1: situation that we can all relate to some kind of
Speaker 1: scenario you'd find in seinfeld Er friends. That's true, that
Speaker 1: was very relatable. It is. And then I talked about
Speaker 1: how the triangle weaver spider will catapult itself towards its
Speaker 1: prey and um, using its web like a sling shot.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that it makes them like
Speaker 1: a cute little rascal. You said it's horrifying that they
Speaker 1: would do that to a fly and eat them alive.
Speaker 1: And I feel like because you said it looks like
Speaker 1: it's teleporting. Yes, it's true, it does teleport towards its
Speaker 1: prey and then kills it dead. Um, So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's maybe, like we both have a point let's
Speaker 1: say that right. Let's regroup. Let's regroup. Tell me, tell
Speaker 1: me about your love of spiders. Yes, so I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about how cute it is when spiders
Speaker 1: have friends, and I want to talk about you know,
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of classical friendship between animals
Speaker 1: and like Disney movies. It's like, you know, Oliver and Company.
Speaker 1: Remember when that kitten made friends with those dogs. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you'll see in like news stories like this duckling is
Speaker 1: friends with this at or like this pig is friends
Speaker 1: with this sheep. Ah, it's so cute. And spiders do
Speaker 1: that too, sometimes, like the friendship between a spider and
Speaker 1: a carnivorous plant. It's like a musical waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: So uh. The Nepenthes picture plants are a vase shaped
Speaker 1: plant found in Southeast Asia. They attract insects with a
Speaker 1: sweet excretion, but it's a trap. Once the insect ventures
Speaker 1: to the slippery interior walls of the plant, they fall
Speaker 1: down into the belly of the picture plant, which is
Speaker 1: filled with digestive fluid. Once the insect is liquefied, the
Speaker 1: plant can absorb the liquefied nutrients of their victims. Just
Speaker 1: like you know, just like a homeward bound a cute
Speaker 1: or like a soilent or like drinking a Yeah, they
Speaker 1: make their own smoothies. It's it's that's fun and fresh.
Speaker 1: They're like a jomba juice, but they're a plant. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're like a plant and like you just like
Speaker 1: had a jomba juice in your house, right exactly, Like
Speaker 1: who are we to judge like that? They make their
Speaker 1: smoothies out of flies when we make smoothies out of
Speaker 1: like weird stuff like cheese, you know, yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're on the plant is looking at us like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, you make smoothies out of plants.
Speaker 1: That's messed up. That's messed up, right, Yeah, exactly. Uh Well,
Speaker 1: there's a beautiful friendship between these plants and the yellow
Speaker 1: crab spiders and also the red crab spiders. So the
Speaker 1: yellow crab spider is a lovely, bright yellow crab like spider,
Speaker 1: as its name implies, they're they're not too big. The
Speaker 1: females are usually less than half an inch in length
Speaker 1: around ten millimeters or less, and males are even smaller.
Speaker 1: The red crab spiders even littler it's about six millimeters
Speaker 1: or point two inches long. So these are these are
Speaker 1: little spiders. They're quite pretty in my opinion. They are
Speaker 1: these bright colors. They look sort of like flower like
Speaker 1: in a in a weird way. And both of these
Speaker 1: crap spiders like to make their home in the carnivorous
Speaker 1: picture plant. They will lay in wait just under the
Speaker 1: rim of the pictures opening, and when a fly or
Speaker 1: other insect comes to investigate the sweet smelling nectar that
Speaker 1: the plant has um excreted as a bait, the spider
Speaker 1: will actually strike out and catch this insect. But then
Speaker 1: does it? But then doesn't the picture plant get mad
Speaker 1: about that? You would think so, right, Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't know what an angry plant looks like. It
Speaker 1: does its leaves just kind of scowl at you. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think. Or does it start to just try
Speaker 1: to trap the spider and try to, you know, get
Speaker 1: put up more of that liquid to get the spider. No, Actually,
Speaker 1: it turns out that this is a beneficial relationship even
Speaker 1: for the plant, which is surprising. Right, So the spider
Speaker 1: is safe from the plant generally speaking, because it has
Speaker 1: a strand of silk that it's attached outside of the
Speaker 1: picture so that even if it like slips, it's still
Speaker 1: got this safety literal safety net preventing it from falling
Speaker 1: into the digestive basin. But they are actually doing something
Speaker 1: that ends up helping the plant in certain ways. So uh,
Speaker 1: they may increase the success rate of capturing more agile
Speaker 1: flies who might otherwise evade the picture plants trapped the
Speaker 1: presence of these spiders. Researchers went around and like measured
Speaker 1: the number of flies and stuff inside the picture plant,
Speaker 1: and picture plants who had these spiders living on them,
Speaker 1: they actually would have more flies inside the picture plants.
Speaker 1: So what probably happens is these spiders are good at
Speaker 1: like knocking a fly down right catching, you know, knocking flydown.
Speaker 1: But sometimes they you know, miss they make a mistake,
Speaker 1: and if the fly starts to escape, then it slips
Speaker 1: down into the picture plant. So the picture plant is
Speaker 1: getting the flies that the spider is not successfully catching um,
Speaker 1: and that means it's actually increasing the rate of success
Speaker 1: for these picture plants. In addition, the spider one it's
Speaker 1: eating the insect is kind of messy, so it'll drop
Speaker 1: like crumbs which are just insect parts down into the picture,
Speaker 1: which the picture plant also digests. Additionally, the spiders once
Speaker 1: when they like die of old age or something like,
Speaker 1: they will actually fall into the picture. So it's like
Speaker 1: one last gift that these little friendly spiders give to
Speaker 1: the picture plants, which is their own body as a snack,
Speaker 1: which is adorable. Like homeward bound basically bas where the
Speaker 1: red fern grows, right exactly. Yeah, yeah, man, that book sucked.
Speaker 1: It made me sad. I got angry as a kid. No,
Speaker 1: I yeah, it was a that's like, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of the first touch of tragedy. Yeah, how dare they?
Speaker 1: How dare they try to make me feel complex adult
Speaker 1: feelings as a literal child. I should see them. There
Speaker 1: was also that book The Yearling. Did you ever read that? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't. It's horrible, highly disrecommend the opposite of recommend
Speaker 1: as Anyways, Yeah, they were beautifully written books, but if
Speaker 1: you if the end of the book. Same thing with
Speaker 1: Old Yeller. It's like at the end of the book,
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, you made a bond with these cute animals. Well,
Speaker 1: now we're going to kill him. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll write a book about a spider and a
Speaker 1: picture plant and their friends and they live forever and
Speaker 1: then they die and then the and on the last
Speaker 1: day and the last day of the spider's life. You know,
Speaker 1: it's basically like a Tuesday's with Marie. But then the
Speaker 1: spider dies and just gives itself to the plant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or they or they are acute and they live forever.
Speaker 1: Also the end that can't happen, I guess not. I
Speaker 1: guess the harsh realities of life must be taught to
Speaker 1: children and make them cry. Um. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know this is I love these like symbiotic relationships
Speaker 1: where like at first it seems like these spiders are
Speaker 1: klepto parasites. So klepto parasite is something that steals resources
Speaker 1: from you, so they're not actually attacking your body like
Speaker 1: um uh, you know, like an indo parasite lives inside
Speaker 1: of you and you know, like taking your shine right
Speaker 1: right exactly. An ectoparasite is like a flea or a tick.
Speaker 1: It's you know, uh, sucking your blood or taking nutrients
Speaker 1: from your body by living outside your body. But a
Speaker 1: klepto parasite steals your resources. So like certain like seabirds
Speaker 1: can often be kleptose parasites, Like goals will steal fish
Speaker 1: from birds other birds who have caught the fish, and
Speaker 1: so that's a klepto parasite. And so like these spiders
Speaker 1: seem like klepto parasites. They're taking the insects that would
Speaker 1: otherwise get into the picture, But it actually seems more
Speaker 1: like it is a mutualistic relationship where the spiders um
Speaker 1: get more success rate because the plant is attracting insects
Speaker 1: and the plant actually gets the sort of failures of
Speaker 1: the spider when like the foul balls that the spider
Speaker 1: is dropping into the picture, the picture is getting. It's
Speaker 1: like teamworky, it sounds that's actually sounds like a super
Speaker 1: healthy partnership. It is. Yeah, it's actually it reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of the relationship between badgers and coyotes.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen like those those videos of like
Speaker 1: a coyote and a badger walking together. Uh No, it's
Speaker 1: very cute. Highly recommend that. Don't don't read Where the
Speaker 1: Red Fern Grows, don't read books, just watch videos of
Speaker 1: the badgers and the coyotes. I'm joking. Books are a
Speaker 1: wonderful world into the imagination. Do read them just like
Speaker 1: if it's where the red Fern grows, skip the last
Speaker 1: twenty pages. But yeah, yeah, badgers and coyotes will team up.
Speaker 1: And what they do is they will attack um uh
Speaker 1: burrows of like you know, things like gophers, um, groundhogs,
Speaker 1: and like they will. The badger is very good at
Speaker 1: digging and the coyote is very good at chasing and catching.
Speaker 1: And the badger will go on one end of the
Speaker 1: burrow and start digging in and these poor terrified little
Speaker 1: rodents will try to escape the badger and run out,
Speaker 1: and what do they see on the exit hole a
Speaker 1: coyote there to catch them. And so the badger will
Speaker 1: sometimes catch the rodents right like, because they'll sometimes run
Speaker 1: out that way, um because they're scared of the coyote.
Speaker 1: And sometimes the coyote will hatch them because they're scared
Speaker 1: of the badger. So it's like, you know, they they
Speaker 1: basically trapped these these uh their prey and so either
Speaker 1: the prey is going to get got by the badger
Speaker 1: or the coyote, and so in that way they actually
Speaker 1: both benefit even though they're not directly like sharing the
Speaker 1: food They're not like killing a ground hugin and presenting
Speaker 1: it to the other one. Uh. In effect, by them
Speaker 1: both being there and cornering these poor little rodents, they
Speaker 1: are helping each other. Um, but they're also both bits.
Speaker 1: Like a rising tide floats all boats, you know, just
Speaker 1: like a total panic attack of a rodent colony floats
Speaker 1: all boats. Everyone. I like that saying better, a total
Speaker 1: panic panic attack of a rodent floats all boats of
Speaker 1: an entire rodent colony. Right, an individual rodent won't be
Speaker 1: enough to feed them, but like they're doing it to
Speaker 1: terrorize the entire column. The terrified screams of a rodent
Speaker 1: is good for the goose and the gander. M hmm, well,
Speaker 1: you know, mixing lots of animals. Yeah, yeah, it actually
Speaker 1: to me, it reminds me of the symbiotic relationship of
Speaker 1: a small child and a dog. Dogs really love small
Speaker 1: like a smart dog, like there are some dogs that
Speaker 1: just hate kids, and you don't want the round kids.
Speaker 1: And then like a really smart dog knows that children
Speaker 1: are frequently being offered food, and children frequently refuse it,
Speaker 1: and even when they do eat it, they're extremely messy eaters,
Speaker 1: and so they just stick the kids. What's the what's
Speaker 1: the dog giving the child though? Other than emotional affection,
Speaker 1: I guess well, constant play buddy. But also you know
Speaker 1: then if you don't like something, you can sneak it
Speaker 1: to the dog eaters. Yeah. Man, I was such a
Speaker 1: picky eater as a kid. I should have had a
Speaker 1: dog because I had a cat and if I tried
Speaker 1: to feed her apee, she'd try to kill me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think cats and humans
Speaker 1: have as much as symbiotic relationship, no, as much as
Speaker 1: like a sub dumb relationship. Yeah, they're more bosses, right,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're there, we're the cats employees. Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like earn my cat's affection to like
Speaker 1: heal the love that I do not feel like I
Speaker 1: got as a child. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it's are we it's kind of a codependent relationship
Speaker 1: with cats, I think versus with dogs or like spiders
Speaker 1: and spiders and picture plants. Yeah, a picture it's that,
Speaker 1: it is. It is such a beautiful like relationship though,
Speaker 1: you know, just like they're both they're both giving and
Speaker 1: they're both taking, which is what you want. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like leave they leave no crumbs. Yeah, like together they
Speaker 1: like the plate clean the plate, being flies another and
Speaker 1: flying insects. But yeah, so so have I warmed you
Speaker 1: up a little bit to spiders? Maybe possibly a little bit.
Speaker 1: I do. I do feel, you know, I do empathize
Speaker 1: with that perspective of like, hey, there's enough for all
Speaker 1: of us, don't fight over them. If we fight together
Speaker 1: instead of fighting each other, there's enough for us all
Speaker 1: to grow big and strong. Yeah exactly. I love that
Speaker 1: these are very these are these spiders have a very
Speaker 1: um not what's the opposite of zero sum? Hundredsome it's
Speaker 1: win win win, right, Yeah, exactly. They understand, they get it.
Speaker 1: These spiders get it that we don't have to live
Speaker 1: in a zero sum society. We can support each other,
Speaker 1: community care, sharing fly parts. It's beautiful. We make a
Speaker 1: bigger we make a bigger pie, We make a bigger
Speaker 1: more flies, a big fly pie, right exactly, to fight
Speaker 1: over the pie. That's a that's right, that that sounds wonderful.
Speaker 1: So like zero out of tin, how would you write spiders?
Speaker 1: Um ivy um? I mean on what scale? Just don't
Speaker 1: I don't feel that you've made spiders cuter for me today. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I feel like my I can maintain my armistice
Speaker 1: with spiders in perpetuity. But I do feel like I
Speaker 1: learned something from nature today. So like that would be
Speaker 1: a tin you'd say, mm hmmm. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: I learned things from Uh you know, I learned I
Speaker 1: learned things from osama bin laden, So things from anything.
Speaker 1: You heard it here, folks, You heard it here first, folks,
Speaker 1: spiders just like a sama bin laden some of the
Speaker 1: laden out of tin. That's that's where that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: The enemy still an enemy. But uh, you know, a
Speaker 1: worthy a worthy opponent. It's what you're saying about a
Speaker 1: sama pin on, a worthy worthy opponent. Ah. Anyways, saw
Speaker 1: our toes had a sawn our toes. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: But before we get inundated with emails, uh, we gotta
Speaker 1: play a little game. And that game is called gets
Speaker 1: Who's Squawking? Guess Who's Squawking? Is the Mystery Animal sound game.
Speaker 1: Each week I play a Mystery animals sound in you
Speaker 1: the listener, and hey, you the guest, to try to
Speaker 1: guess who is squawking. Last week's Mystery Animals sound hint was,
Speaker 1: who's this knocking? Well, don't let it raise your hackles.
Speaker 1: You're really gonna test my credentials as a nature show
Speaker 1: host today. He's so tricky I probably wouldn't get Honestly,
Speaker 1: if I were playing against me, I would probably Ah,
Speaker 1: oh that left alt weird inside my ears? Ah Frog, Frog,
Speaker 1: Oh oh it sounds so weird. Yeah, I hope you're
Speaker 1: you're not listening to the headphones right now. Ah Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's like a fun little a SMR. Isn't it
Speaker 1: a little tickle in your ear? It looks like I
Speaker 1: got it looks it feels like someone like licked the
Speaker 1: inside of my ears without my consent. It's like it
Speaker 1: was like a non consensual what will it? Non consensual?
Speaker 1: A sm some more like super super inappropriate a SMR touch.
Speaker 1: So you guessed frog, that's not correct? Did you have
Speaker 1: any more guesses? Like? Literally, anything could be a bird?
Speaker 1: Any sound like there's a bird that can make that sound?
Speaker 1: It is a bird. You're correct on that. Do you
Speaker 1: want to guess the species of bird or do you
Speaker 1: want to like leave it generally just a bird? I
Speaker 1: only know like three birds, which are the birds? You know? Pigeon, grackle,
Speaker 1: and dove. Well it's probably closest to the grackle. Um,
Speaker 1: but this is actually a raven. Oh so you may
Speaker 1: have noticed the term hackles being used in my hint.
Speaker 1: So hackles of the raven are those roughly feathers on
Speaker 1: their throat. So ravens don't just croak. They make a
Speaker 1: wide variety of noises. They can even learn to imitate
Speaker 1: human speech, so there are in fact talking ravens, usually
Speaker 1: at zoos um, but in this case poems they do these.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they write poems too, and then some sad guy
Speaker 1: from like the eighteen hundreds steals that poem and claims
Speaker 1: it's his. H So you know, this sound is actually
Speaker 1: not imitation. This is a natural sound that they make.
Speaker 1: And this it's like it kind of sounds like a
Speaker 1: weird water droplets, sound like some weird machine. Um. This
Speaker 1: is most likely the call of either a mated pair
Speaker 1: communicating with each other and reaffirming their bond, or a
Speaker 1: dominant female raven in the social hierarchy sounding off and
Speaker 1: kind of uh, I guess, strengthening her role as the
Speaker 1: dominant female. Oh and we can't tell the difference, We
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I don't think we fully speak raven
Speaker 1: at this point. It's like, you know, they probably have.
Speaker 1: They probably have some kind of accent. There's probably like,
Speaker 1: you know, like an oom out somewhere on the that
Speaker 1: they say, um, but yeah, I'm not sure we we
Speaker 1: full Maybe a raven expert might fully understand this, the
Speaker 1: subtle differences in tones and ornithologists. The ornithologist who was
Speaker 1: like collecting these sounds and they're just watching it and
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, either it's affirming, it's affirming this like
Speaker 1: familial bond, or it's both. It's both like or like
Speaker 1: they're like, but then I also heard it there and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's asserting her dominance or if
Speaker 1: she's just affirming her familiar blond with her like lesbian polycule.
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of like, I mean, humans have
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like hey babe. Can a couple reaffirming
Speaker 1: their bond or it can be like uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a boss boss Batch being like hey babe, like you know,
Speaker 1: basically like it, And it depends on the tonel like
Speaker 1: hey babe, that's nice, like we're reaffirming our our bond.
Speaker 1: But if it's like hey babe, hey babe, Hey babe.
Speaker 1: Then it's it's a little agressive there. It's getting a
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit aggressive. So I'm gonna saybe
Speaker 1: you need to like chill or like hey, babes, sign
Speaker 1: up for my free webinar where I'm not going to
Speaker 1: try to sell you anything. The trick to this, baby,
Speaker 1: like listen, babes. The trick to this is that you
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Speaker 1: you make money from your downstreams, babes. Yeah, so all
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Speaker 1: It's a webinar. It is a webinar that will change
Speaker 1: your life. Babe, babe, this will change your life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you are going to be the CEO of your
Speaker 1: Dreams Trip Drop Coup. So, kid, what's that? I won't
Speaker 1: try to either side? Okay, yeah, I can't do it either.
Speaker 1: Not much of a word caller, um, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this. Yeah so this is probably the hay babe
Speaker 1: of the raven LINGO. Uh so they could be it
Speaker 1: could be a loving call. It could be trying to
Speaker 1: get you into a raven mL M. Who's to say so?
Speaker 1: I bet they have them too. They must. They're very
Speaker 1: smart um. They're very smart and petty. They're smart and petty.
Speaker 1: I could imagine them starting a multi level marketing scheme
Speaker 1: like you know this, this is not just about peanuts.
Speaker 1: This is about self actualization. So onto this feminism, this
Speaker 1: is this is actually about fighting for our rights. And
Speaker 1: also we sell twigs to each other. So uh onto
Speaker 1: this week's mystery animals sound uh here is the hint.
Speaker 1: It is the largest of its order. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean will refuse a good cuddle. Oh. I keep thinking
Speaker 1: it's going to be like a little woodpeck, Like I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a woodpecker, But then that
Speaker 1: little like at the end just sounds like a mammal
Speaker 1: to me, So you're gonna go with so I'm trying.
Speaker 1: There's like, there aren't there mammals that chopped wood? Like
Speaker 1: was it beavers? Beavers? Yes, they do, they do chew
Speaker 1: on wood. I wouldn't. I wouldn't call it chopping. Really,
Speaker 1: it's not. They don't like swinging their head like an
Speaker 1: act exactly, but they do. They do gnaw on wood. Okay,
Speaker 1: that wasn't Yeah, that's all the other I was because
Speaker 1: I was hearing like a tap tap tap, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna think of woodpecker because the only woodpecker
Speaker 1: sound I've heard is from like looney Tune. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: somewhere between a woodpecker and a beaver is your guests right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I will reveal the answer on next week's episode
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