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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, Well, if

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Speaker 1: you don't like spiders, I've got bad news for you,

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Speaker 1: because today is all about spiders, from cute baby spider

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Speaker 1: dreams to spider catapults and the friendship between a spider

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Speaker 1: and a carnivorous plant. Discover this more as we answer

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Speaker 1: the angel question, what's ruder after mating, eating your partner

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Speaker 1: or yeating your partner? Joining me today is someone tougher

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Speaker 1: than Bear Grills, host of the podcast Fogo Fear of

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Speaker 1: Going Outside, a story of conquering the outdoors one twig

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Speaker 1: at a time. Welcome Ivy Lee, Hey Greedy, so good

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Speaker 1: to be here. I'm so happy that you're joining me. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Your podcast is about someone who is now I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to be rude here, but self described kind of

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Speaker 1: an indoor person, uh, making their way to the outdoors. Uh,

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Speaker 1: sort of one one little bit. Why why would I

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Speaker 1: think being an indoor person is? I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: anything wrong with being an indoor person. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I agree. I actually I do love the outdoors. But

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on a lot of your points

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Speaker 1: that you make on your podcast, the primary thing being

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Speaker 1: that plumbing is an incredible invention that I love, and

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Speaker 1: clean water I can't get enough of it. Clean water

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Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, not having to filter your water look

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Speaker 1: for worms in it. Yeah, it's I have been backpacking before,

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Speaker 1: and while I enjoyed certain aspects to it, the lack

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Speaker 1: of plumbing um. Also, like, so when you go to

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Speaker 1: kind of high altitudes, you have to peel a lot

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Speaker 1: because like it's um more stress on your kidneys. And

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Speaker 1: so I would go have to go pee, like in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night a bunch of times, and

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Speaker 1: I would go and then like find a little private place, um,

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Speaker 1: and humans wouldn't bother me. But animals don't realize that,

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Speaker 1: like this is your private time. And so I would

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Speaker 1: have like mice or marmots or something like come and

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Speaker 1: of the night. And I gotta say, as much as

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Speaker 1: I love animals, maybe not in that context. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the animals were judging you and they're like, wow, she's

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Speaker 1: just so pretty traditional. She's right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: I think I did make a decision that when I

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Speaker 1: was trying to pee, Like, you know what if I

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Speaker 1: if I go camping again, I want there to be

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Speaker 1: like some kind of bathroom facility. Yeah, I want that

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Speaker 1: for you. I want to you. I thought I thought

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Speaker 1: people had to peel a lot in the mountains because

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Speaker 1: because they're because from the drinking. Yeah you have to

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Speaker 1: you have Oh you mean like drinking alcohol or drinking water, Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: but out from alcohol. Ah yeah, no, I I if

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Speaker 1: I I absolutely cannot drink alcohol when I'm like hiking

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Speaker 1: in high altitudes because then it would be the hike

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Speaker 1: would be one bathroom related So we can't have that.

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Speaker 1: But majestic and the waterfalls like the glacier drip is

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Speaker 1: your bidet right exactly? Yeah, I mean, if if all,

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Speaker 1: then maybe I could enjoy a beer in the great outdoors.

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Speaker 1: But until then, no, Um, but enough about me and

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Speaker 1: going to the bathroom, which uh, normally my podcast is

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Speaker 1: not about that, So don't worry folks. Um, you you're

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Speaker 1: forcing yourself to learn more about the outdoors. And I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people can relate to that, especially

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Speaker 1: when it comes to insects and God forbid spiders. What

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Speaker 1: are your feelings towards spiders? M tepid. I would say

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Speaker 1: Is how I look at spiders, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a very good reason that they're there,

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Speaker 1: have ah an armistice with each other. Right, you have

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Speaker 1: a cordial but chilly relationship. So yeah, I like that. That.

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Speaker 1: So your enemy is generally insects, and since spiders do

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Speaker 1: eat insects, they are you form kind of an alliance,

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Speaker 1: live in Texas. We do have poisonous spiders like poisonous

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Speaker 1: venomous spiders tend to be pretty shy, like they don't

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Speaker 1: necrosis or something. Um. But I do really like jumping spiders.

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Speaker 1: They to me are cute. So have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to become a hunter. So

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Speaker 1: hours together with this jump in spider. It was not cute,

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Speaker 1: not the spider, the spider did not feel good about it.

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Speaker 1: I did not feel good about it. It's a bit

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Speaker 1: like they got those big adorable eyes though, and they're fluffy,

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Speaker 1: So tell what is the finding? Like, what is the

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Speaker 1: difference between a puppy and a jumping spider? Fluffy and

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Speaker 1: big eyes? Like? What is it? The number of legs?

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Speaker 1: Like what? I think it's it's the stance. You know

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Speaker 1: you up, I guess, although you know that sometimes puppies

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Speaker 1: everything that you have and own. Uh, But personally I

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Speaker 1: find jumping spiders cute. Your your mileage might vary. Some

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Speaker 1: people don't find them so cute, but they are really interesting.

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Speaker 1: They are a fascinating spider and they are the world's

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Speaker 1: most visual spiders. So visual as in they actually use

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Speaker 1: So they actually are the only spiders that can track

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Speaker 1: whole bodies. Well that's exactly what the spider was doing

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Speaker 1: information where they using their eyes for well, they they

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Speaker 1: are a lot of jumping spiders that are really beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So like peacock jumping spiders, they have these fantastic displays

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Speaker 1: So you're saying I should be flattered by the attention. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So they have four pairs of eyes, uh, with which

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Speaker 1: they can see move, vivid color. They can see in

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Speaker 1: higher resolution than most animals, including humans. So those big

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Speaker 1: like they're just like tripping on mushrooms the entire time

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Speaker 1: we're like processing our traumas and emotions. Is that what

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Speaker 1: Yes of the captain. I'm the captain now. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: Parker had like since he I mean he's a kid, right,

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Speaker 1: about this. I'm sure they have. There's probably some problem

426
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: with a giant rubber band shooting a rocket into space,

427
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: But honestly, I can't think of one. I mean, what

428
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: if we take the example of this spider, right, what's

429
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: the scale? Is the spider just like the size of

430
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: a person on a football field, or would the slingshot

431
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: have to be like as big as like I don't know,

432
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: the Empire State building or something or Liefel Tower to

433
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: actually like get a human sized person in proportion to spider,

434
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean out into space into space. Like, so this

435
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: spider does not go space distances to get a human

436
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: into space using sort of a spider web that's scaled

437
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: up to human. Um. I can totally do the math

438
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: of that in my head absolutely, Uh, going into states

439
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: like with that acceleration, I mean, how far are they going?

440
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: The spiders aren't going that far, but they're accelerating extremely quickly,

441
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: so you can see like it looks like they're teleporting,

442
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Like they just kind of go from one end of

443
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: their web suddenly they've like teleported three inches teleported another inch,

444
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 1: So they are it's just like it happens in the

445
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: blink of an eye, and they'll do it multi full times,

446
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: so like um, kind of pause uh and then slingshot

447
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: themselves again. Pause, reloads sling shot themselves again as they

448
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: get closer and closer to this prey, and it's it's

449
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of from the praise perspective, from like this flies perspective,

450
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: it must be really creepy because it's like the spider

451
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: being one place and then suddenly it's like, you know,

452
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: three inches closer to you, suddenly another inch closer to you,

453
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and it's moving so quickly. It's really hard to track

454
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: this spider with your with your vision. Oh my god,

455
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: this is terrifying. It there was a Doctor Who episode

456
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: about this with these like statues only move when your

457
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: eyes are closer. Every time you blink, they're just like

458
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: menacingly a menacing distance closer to you. This is even

459
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: if you don't blink, Honestly, it just keeps coming towards you. Yeah,

460
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean it is absolutely a horror movie trope. Um.

461
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: It's like if you saw a sort of a monster

462
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: at the other end of a room and then like

463
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: it basically just moves really quickly and in the blink

464
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: of an eye is you know, like five ft closer

465
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: to you. And also you're trapped in its sticky web

466
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: and you're so doomed and about to have your insides

467
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: lico fide and sucked out of you. I'm sorry, where

468
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: were you trying to make spiders more relatable this episode?

469
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of forgot about that. Yeah, I

470
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: think it's cool though, Actually, like, look at these little

471
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: guys like a real dinnis the Menace kind of kind

472
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: of dude, just like with its little sling shot past

473
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: during his neighbors, sucking the juices out of its victims,

474
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, just like give us the menace? Yeah, you

475
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: boys will be boys, Boys will be boys. This is

476
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: probably a female actually, but yes, spiders will be spiderbiders

477
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: will be spiders exactly. That's a much less toxic phrase.

478
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, how toxic are they? How

479
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: toxic are they? I don't is it a less toxic phrase?

480
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: How toxic are these spiders? These ones? I don't think

481
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: they're very venomous in terms of humans. How do they kill?

482
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: How do they how do they kill their prey? Are

483
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: they like choking it? Are they injecting it out? Is

484
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: it a is it a you know, kick to the suplex?

485
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: How much does it suck to be a fly? You

486
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: spend your life like all you eat is like poop Yeah,

487
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: you have a crappy life, short crappy, and sometimes you

488
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: have a spider essentially teleport itself at you and bite

489
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: you and juices. You end in a horror movie. You

490
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: live in a Dickinson novel. Right right, you're like poise,

491
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: So may I have some more um animal poop, just

492
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, like little little h No, it's tiny Tim.

493
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: Isn't the one? What's the one who asks for more porridge?

494
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I think that one is that want to tail a

495
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: two cities small Samuel, a little little little Orge. No,

496
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't know it's it's is it is that David

497
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: Copperfield Oliver No, Oliver twist, Oliver twist wants more porridge?

498
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: So Oliver this Oliver twitch, Oliver twitch. Yeah, I mean

499
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: I guess that works for a spider. Oliver twitch, spider

500
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: asking for more porridge, but the porridge is specs um.

501
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: And then that's the fly, right. I can't believe. I

502
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: can't believe. We were trying, we were trying to make

503
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: spiders more relatable, and you actually made me have sympathy

504
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: for flies. Yeah that was also hate flies. Yeah, I

505
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: have to reclaim my hatred for flies and the disease

506
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: that they spread, and the oddslat that they bring to

507
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: every picnic I've ever held. Yeah, now that that that

508
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: was an accident. I was trying to do pr for

509
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: the spiders. Actually, you know what, the triangle weaver spider,

510
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: the one that we're talking about, does not have venom,

511
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: and that's actually probably why it uses it's uh it's

512
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: webbing in this manner in order to disable its prey.

513
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: And then basically it just kind of, I guess, just

514
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: just scares it to death, probably choose on it to death,

515
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: eats it to death, which, yeah, it just eats it

516
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: a lie, it eats it eats it. Yeah, I mean

517
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: at some point it probably does die from the eating.

518
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: But nature is brutal, brutal, harsh, but fair. Okay, maybe

519
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: it's not fair, it's just harsh. It's neutral, it's neutral.

520
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: When we get back, I will actually tell you a

521
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: story that I think makes spiders cute or maybe not,

522
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: maybe just makes plants more menacing. You be the judge

523
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: when we get back after a very quick break. So,

524
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I have been remiss in my mission

525
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: to make spiders more relatable because we did have the

526
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: cute dreaming baby spiders and uh, which seemed to only

527
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: kind of unsettle you the fact that spiders, well, because

528
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: you told me that their heads were clear. Yeah, well

529
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, semi translucent and if you shine a light

530
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: through you can see the back of their eyeballs. I'm

531
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: not sure I see what the problem is yet. And

532
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: then I talked about how some male spiders will catapult

533
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: themselves off the female so that they don't get eaten

534
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: after mating. Again, I feel like this is an awkward

535
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: situation that we can all relate to some kind of

536
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: scenario you'd find in seinfeld Er friends. That's true, that

537
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: was very relatable. It is. And then I talked about

538
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: how the triangle weaver spider will catapult itself towards its

539
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: prey and um, using its web like a sling shot.

540
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that it makes them like

541
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: a cute little rascal. You said it's horrifying that they

542
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: would do that to a fly and eat them alive.

543
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: And I feel like because you said it looks like

544
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: it's teleporting. Yes, it's true, it does teleport towards its

545
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: prey and then kills it dead. Um, So you know,

546
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: maybe there's maybe, like we both have a point let's

547
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: say that right. Let's regroup. Let's regroup. Tell me, tell

548
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: me about your love of spiders. Yes, so I do

549
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about how cute it is when spiders

550
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: have friends, and I want to talk about you know,

551
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of classical friendship between animals

552
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: and like Disney movies. It's like, you know, Oliver and Company.

553
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: Remember when that kitten made friends with those dogs. Sometimes

554
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: you'll see in like news stories like this duckling is

555
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: friends with this at or like this pig is friends

556
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: with this sheep. Ah, it's so cute. And spiders do

557
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: that too, sometimes, like the friendship between a spider and

558
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: a carnivorous plant. It's like a musical waiting to happen.

559
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: So uh. The Nepenthes picture plants are a vase shaped

560
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: plant found in Southeast Asia. They attract insects with a

561
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: sweet excretion, but it's a trap. Once the insect ventures

562
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: to the slippery interior walls of the plant, they fall

563
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: down into the belly of the picture plant, which is

564
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: filled with digestive fluid. Once the insect is liquefied, the

565
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: plant can absorb the liquefied nutrients of their victims. Just

566
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: like you know, just like a homeward bound a cute

567
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: or like a soilent or like drinking a Yeah, they

568
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: make their own smoothies. It's it's that's fun and fresh.

569
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: They're like a jomba juice, but they're a plant. Yeah. Yeah,

570
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: if you're like a plant and like you just like

571
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: had a jomba juice in your house, right exactly, Like

572
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: who are we to judge like that? They make their

573
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: smoothies out of flies when we make smoothies out of

574
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: like weird stuff like cheese, you know, yeah, I mean, yeah,

575
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: we're on the plant is looking at us like, oh

576
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, you make smoothies out of plants.

577
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: That's messed up. That's messed up, right, Yeah, exactly. Uh Well,

578
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: there's a beautiful friendship between these plants and the yellow

579
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: crab spiders and also the red crab spiders. So the

580
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: yellow crab spider is a lovely, bright yellow crab like spider,

581
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: as its name implies, they're they're not too big. The

582
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: females are usually less than half an inch in length

583
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: around ten millimeters or less, and males are even smaller.

584
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: The red crab spiders even littler it's about six millimeters

585
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: or point two inches long. So these are these are

586
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: little spiders. They're quite pretty in my opinion. They are

587
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: these bright colors. They look sort of like flower like

588
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: in a in a weird way. And both of these

589
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: crap spiders like to make their home in the carnivorous

590
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: picture plant. They will lay in wait just under the

591
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: rim of the pictures opening, and when a fly or

592
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: other insect comes to investigate the sweet smelling nectar that

593
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the plant has um excreted as a bait, the spider

594
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: will actually strike out and catch this insect. But then

595
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: does it? But then doesn't the picture plant get mad

596
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: about that? You would think so, right, Well, first of all,

597
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what an angry plant looks like. It

598
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: does its leaves just kind of scowl at you. I'm

599
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: trying to think. Or does it start to just try

600
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: to trap the spider and try to, you know, get

601
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: put up more of that liquid to get the spider. No, Actually,

602
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: it turns out that this is a beneficial relationship even

603
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: for the plant, which is surprising. Right, So the spider

604
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: is safe from the plant generally speaking, because it has

605
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: a strand of silk that it's attached outside of the

606
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: picture so that even if it like slips, it's still

607
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: got this safety literal safety net preventing it from falling

608
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: into the digestive basin. But they are actually doing something

609
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: that ends up helping the plant in certain ways. So uh,

610
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: they may increase the success rate of capturing more agile

611
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: flies who might otherwise evade the picture plants trapped the

612
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: presence of these spiders. Researchers went around and like measured

613
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: the number of flies and stuff inside the picture plant,

614
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: and picture plants who had these spiders living on them,

615
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: they actually would have more flies inside the picture plants.

616
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: So what probably happens is these spiders are good at

617
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: like knocking a fly down right catching, you know, knocking flydown.

618
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: But sometimes they you know, miss they make a mistake,

619
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: and if the fly starts to escape, then it slips

620
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: down into the picture plant. So the picture plant is

621
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: getting the flies that the spider is not successfully catching um,

622
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: and that means it's actually increasing the rate of success

623
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: for these picture plants. In addition, the spider one it's

624
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: eating the insect is kind of messy, so it'll drop

625
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: like crumbs which are just insect parts down into the picture,

626
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: which the picture plant also digests. Additionally, the spiders once

627
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: when they like die of old age or something like,

628
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: they will actually fall into the picture. So it's like

629
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: one last gift that these little friendly spiders give to

630
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: the picture plants, which is their own body as a snack,

631
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: which is adorable. Like homeward bound basically bas where the

632
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: red fern grows, right exactly. Yeah, yeah, man, that book sucked.

633
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: It made me sad. I got angry as a kid. No,

634
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I yeah, it was a that's like, that's the kind

635
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: of the first touch of tragedy. Yeah, how dare they?

636
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: How dare they try to make me feel complex adult

637
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: feelings as a literal child. I should see them. There

638
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: was also that book The Yearling. Did you ever read that? No?

639
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: I didn't. It's horrible, highly disrecommend the opposite of recommend

640
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: as Anyways, Yeah, they were beautifully written books, but if

641
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: you if the end of the book. Same thing with

642
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 1: Old Yeller. It's like at the end of the book,

643
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, you made a bond with these cute animals. Well,

644
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: now we're going to kill him. It's like, you know what,

645
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe I'll write a book about a spider and a

646
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: picture plant and their friends and they live forever and

647
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: then they die and then the and on the last

648
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: day and the last day of the spider's life. You know,

649
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: it's basically like a Tuesday's with Marie. But then the

650
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: spider dies and just gives itself to the plant. Yeah,

651
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: or they or they are acute and they live forever.

652
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: Also the end that can't happen, I guess not. I

653
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: guess the harsh realities of life must be taught to

654
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: children and make them cry. Um. But yeah, I mean,

655
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: you know this is I love these like symbiotic relationships

656
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: where like at first it seems like these spiders are

657
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: klepto parasites. So klepto parasite is something that steals resources

658
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: from you, so they're not actually attacking your body like

659
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: um uh, you know, like an indo parasite lives inside

660
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 1: of you and you know, like taking your shine right

661
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: right exactly. An ectoparasite is like a flea or a tick.

662
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: It's you know, uh, sucking your blood or taking nutrients

663
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: from your body by living outside your body. But a

664
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: klepto parasite steals your resources. So like certain like seabirds

665
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: can often be kleptose parasites, Like goals will steal fish

666
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: from birds other birds who have caught the fish, and

667
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: so that's a klepto parasite. And so like these spiders

668
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: seem like klepto parasites. They're taking the insects that would

669
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: otherwise get into the picture, But it actually seems more

670
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: like it is a mutualistic relationship where the spiders um

671
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: get more success rate because the plant is attracting insects

672
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: and the plant actually gets the sort of failures of

673
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: the spider when like the foul balls that the spider

674
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: is dropping into the picture, the picture is getting. It's

675
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: like teamworky, it sounds that's actually sounds like a super

676
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: healthy partnership. It is. Yeah, it's actually it reminds me

677
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of the relationship between badgers and coyotes.

678
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen like those those videos of like

679
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: a coyote and a badger walking together. Uh No, it's

680
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: very cute. Highly recommend that. Don't don't read Where the

681
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: Red Fern Grows, don't read books, just watch videos of

682
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the badgers and the coyotes. I'm joking. Books are a

683
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: wonderful world into the imagination. Do read them just like

684
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: if it's where the red Fern grows, skip the last

685
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: twenty pages. But yeah, yeah, badgers and coyotes will team up.

686
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: And what they do is they will attack um uh

687
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: burrows of like you know, things like gophers, um, groundhogs,

688
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: and like they will. The badger is very good at

689
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: digging and the coyote is very good at chasing and catching.

690
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: And the badger will go on one end of the

691
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: burrow and start digging in and these poor terrified little

692
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: rodents will try to escape the badger and run out,

693
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: and what do they see on the exit hole a

694
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: coyote there to catch them. And so the badger will

695
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: sometimes catch the rodents right like, because they'll sometimes run

696
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: out that way, um because they're scared of the coyote.

697
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: And sometimes the coyote will hatch them because they're scared

698
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: of the badger. So it's like, you know, they they

699
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: basically trapped these these uh their prey and so either

700
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: the prey is going to get got by the badger

701
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: or the coyote, and so in that way they actually

702
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: both benefit even though they're not directly like sharing the

703
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: food They're not like killing a ground hugin and presenting

704
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: it to the other one. Uh. In effect, by them

705
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: both being there and cornering these poor little rodents, they

706
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: are helping each other. Um, but they're also both bits.

707
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: Like a rising tide floats all boats, you know, just

708
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: like a total panic attack of a rodent colony floats

709
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: all boats. Everyone. I like that saying better, a total

710
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: panic panic attack of a rodent floats all boats of

711
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: an entire rodent colony. Right, an individual rodent won't be

712
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: enough to feed them, but like they're doing it to

713
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: terrorize the entire column. The terrified screams of a rodent

714
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: is good for the goose and the gander. M hmm, well,

715
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, mixing lots of animals. Yeah, yeah, it actually

716
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: to me, it reminds me of the symbiotic relationship of

717
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: a small child and a dog. Dogs really love small

718
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: like a smart dog, like there are some dogs that

719
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: just hate kids, and you don't want the round kids.

720
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: And then like a really smart dog knows that children

721
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: are frequently being offered food, and children frequently refuse it,

722
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: and even when they do eat it, they're extremely messy eaters,

723
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: and so they just stick the kids. What's the what's

724
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: the dog giving the child though? Other than emotional affection,

725
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: I guess well, constant play buddy. But also you know

726
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: then if you don't like something, you can sneak it

727
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: to the dog eaters. Yeah. Man, I was such a

728
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: picky eater as a kid. I should have had a

729
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: dog because I had a cat and if I tried

730
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: to feed her apee, she'd try to kill me. Yeah,

731
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think cats and humans

732
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: have as much as symbiotic relationship, no, as much as

733
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: like a sub dumb relationship. Yeah, they're more bosses, right,

734
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: like you know, we're there, we're the cats employees. Like

735
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like earn my cat's affection to like

736
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: heal the love that I do not feel like I

737
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: got as a child. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh yeah, you

738
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: know it's are we it's kind of a codependent relationship

739
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: with cats, I think versus with dogs or like spiders

740
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: and spiders and picture plants. Yeah, a picture it's that,

741
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: it is. It is such a beautiful like relationship though,

742
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, just like they're both they're both giving and

743
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: they're both taking, which is what you want. Yeah, they're

744
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: like leave they leave no crumbs. Yeah, like together they

745
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: like the plate clean the plate, being flies another and

746
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: flying insects. But yeah, so so have I warmed you

747
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: up a little bit to spiders? Maybe possibly a little bit.

748
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: I do. I do feel, you know, I do empathize

749
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: with that perspective of like, hey, there's enough for all

750
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: of us, don't fight over them. If we fight together

751
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: instead of fighting each other, there's enough for us all

752
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: to grow big and strong. Yeah exactly. I love that

753
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: these are very these are these spiders have a very

754
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: um not what's the opposite of zero sum? Hundredsome it's

755
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: win win win, right, Yeah, exactly. They understand, they get it.

756
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: These spiders get it that we don't have to live

757
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: in a zero sum society. We can support each other,

758
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: community care, sharing fly parts. It's beautiful. We make a

759
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: bigger we make a bigger pie, We make a bigger

760
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: more flies, a big fly pie, right exactly, to fight

761
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: over the pie. That's a that's right, that that sounds wonderful.

762
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: So like zero out of tin, how would you write spiders?

763
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Um ivy um? I mean on what scale? Just don't

764
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't feel that you've made spiders cuter for me today. Uh,

765
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like my I can maintain my armistice

766
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: with spiders in perpetuity. But I do feel like I

767
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: learned something from nature today. So like that would be

768
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: a tin you'd say, mm hmmm. No, I mean I

769
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: I learned things from Uh you know, I learned I

770
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: learned things from osama bin laden, So things from anything.

771
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: You heard it here, folks, You heard it here first, folks,

772
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: spiders just like a sama bin laden some of the

773
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: laden out of tin. That's that's where that's where we're at.

774
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: The enemy still an enemy. But uh, you know, a

775
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: worthy a worthy opponent. It's what you're saying about a

776
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: sama pin on, a worthy worthy opponent. Ah. Anyways, saw

777
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: our toes had a sawn our toes. I'm not gonna lie.

778
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: But before we get inundated with emails, uh, we gotta

779
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: play a little game. And that game is called gets

780
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: Who's Squawking? Guess Who's Squawking? Is the Mystery Animal sound game.

781
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: Each week I play a Mystery animals sound in you

782
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: the listener, and hey, you the guest, to try to

783
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: guess who is squawking. Last week's Mystery Animals sound hint was,

784
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: who's this knocking? Well, don't let it raise your hackles.

785
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: You're really gonna test my credentials as a nature show

786
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: host today. He's so tricky I probably wouldn't get Honestly,

787
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: if I were playing against me, I would probably Ah,

788
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: oh that left alt weird inside my ears? Ah Frog, Frog,

789
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: Oh oh it sounds so weird. Yeah, I hope you're

790
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: you're not listening to the headphones right now. Ah Uh,

791
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: it's it's like a fun little a SMR. Isn't it

792
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: a little tickle in your ear? It looks like I

793
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: got it looks it feels like someone like licked the

794
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: inside of my ears without my consent. It's like it

795
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: was like a non consensual what will it? Non consensual?

796
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: A sm some more like super super inappropriate a SMR touch.

797
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: So you guessed frog, that's not correct? Did you have

798
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: any more guesses? Like? Literally, anything could be a bird?

799
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: Any sound like there's a bird that can make that sound?

800
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: It is a bird. You're correct on that. Do you

801
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: want to guess the species of bird or do you

802
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: want to like leave it generally just a bird? I

803
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: only know like three birds, which are the birds? You know? Pigeon, grackle,

804
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: and dove. Well it's probably closest to the grackle. Um,

805
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: but this is actually a raven. Oh so you may

806
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: have noticed the term hackles being used in my hint.

807
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: So hackles of the raven are those roughly feathers on

808
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: their throat. So ravens don't just croak. They make a

809
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: wide variety of noises. They can even learn to imitate

810
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: human speech, so there are in fact talking ravens, usually

811
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: at zoos um, but in this case poems they do these.

812
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes they write poems too, and then some sad guy

813
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: from like the eighteen hundreds steals that poem and claims

814
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: it's his. H So you know, this sound is actually

815
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: not imitation. This is a natural sound that they make.

816
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: And this it's like it kind of sounds like a

817
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: weird water droplets, sound like some weird machine. Um. This

818
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: is most likely the call of either a mated pair

819
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: communicating with each other and reaffirming their bond, or a

820
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: dominant female raven in the social hierarchy sounding off and

821
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: kind of uh, I guess, strengthening her role as the

822
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: dominant female. Oh and we can't tell the difference, We

823
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I don't think we fully speak raven

824
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: at this point. It's like, you know, they probably have.

825
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: They probably have some kind of accent. There's probably like,

826
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, like an oom out somewhere on the that

827
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: they say, um, but yeah, I'm not sure we we

828
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: full Maybe a raven expert might fully understand this, the

829
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: subtle differences in tones and ornithologists. The ornithologist who was

830
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: like collecting these sounds and they're just watching it and

831
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, either it's affirming, it's affirming this like

832
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: familial bond, or it's both. It's both like or like

833
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: they're like, but then I also heard it there and

834
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's asserting her dominance or if

835
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: she's just affirming her familiar blond with her like lesbian polycule.

836
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of like, I mean, humans have

837
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like hey babe. Can a couple reaffirming

838
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: their bond or it can be like uh, you know,

839
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: a boss boss Batch being like hey babe, like you know,

840
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: basically like it, And it depends on the tonel like

841
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: hey babe, that's nice, like we're reaffirming our our bond.

842
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: But if it's like hey babe, hey babe, Hey babe.

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Speaker 1: little bit a little bit aggressive. So I'm gonna saybe

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Speaker 1: you need to like chill or like hey, babes, sign

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Speaker 1: up for my free webinar where I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: try to sell you anything. The trick to this, baby,

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Speaker 1: like listen, babes. The trick to this is that you

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Speaker 1: actually make money, um doing nothing and um you know

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Speaker 1: you make money from your downstreams, babes. Yeah, so all

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Speaker 1: you have to do is pay me to ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: It's a webinar. It is a webinar that will change

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Speaker 1: your life. Babe, babe, this will change your life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you are going to be the CEO of your

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Speaker 1: Dreams Trip Drop Coup. So, kid, what's that? I won't

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Speaker 1: try to either side? Okay, yeah, I can't do it either.

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Speaker 1: Not much of a word caller, um, but yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is this. Yeah so this is probably the hay babe

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Speaker 1: of the raven LINGO. Uh so they could be it

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Speaker 1: could be a loving call. It could be trying to

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Speaker 1: get you into a raven mL M. Who's to say so?

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Speaker 1: I bet they have them too. They must. They're very

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Speaker 1: smart um. They're very smart and petty. They're smart and petty.

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Speaker 1: I could imagine them starting a multi level marketing scheme

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Speaker 1: like you know this, this is not just about peanuts.

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Speaker 1: This is about self actualization. So onto this feminism, this

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Speaker 1: is this is actually about fighting for our rights. And

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Speaker 1: also we sell twigs to each other. So uh onto

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Speaker 1: this week's mystery animals sound uh here is the hint.

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Speaker 1: It is the largest of its order. But that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean will refuse a good cuddle. Oh. I keep thinking

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Speaker 1: it's going to be like a little woodpeck, Like I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be a woodpecker, But then that

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Speaker 1: little like at the end just sounds like a mammal

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Speaker 1: to me, So you're gonna go with so I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: There's like, there aren't there mammals that chopped wood? Like

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Speaker 1: was it beavers? Beavers? Yes, they do, they do chew

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Speaker 1: on wood. I wouldn't. I wouldn't call it chopping. Really,

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Speaker 1: it's not. They don't like swinging their head like an

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Speaker 1: act exactly, but they do. They do gnaw on wood. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't Yeah, that's all the other I was because

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Speaker 1: I was hearing like a tap tap tap, but you're

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Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna think of woodpecker because the only woodpecker

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Speaker 1: sound I've heard is from like looney Tune. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: somewhere between a woodpecker and a beaver is your guests right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well I will reveal the answer on next week's episode

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Speaker 1: of Creature Feature. So if you out there, thank you

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Speaker 1: know who is squawking? You can write to me at

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Speaker 1: Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. I'm sorry, Ivy

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Speaker 1: looks devastated that she's not going to find out. This

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Speaker 1: is not what I signed up fort. You had a

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Speaker 1: no cliphangers clause. I'm sorry, um, but I mean, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me today. Uh tell people

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Speaker 1: where they can find you they can find thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. I love and hate nature.

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Speaker 1: I will watch all the nature documentaries like It's a

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Speaker 1: train wreck. Um, I'm I believe with one e that

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Speaker 1: praise all spelled out of pretty much all social media Instagram, Twitter, TikTok,

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Speaker 1: what have you? And I would love it if you

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Speaker 1: love nature, if you would listen to my podcast from

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Speaker 1: Spotify Studios. You can listen to any platform for free.

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Speaker 1: It's called Fogo. Fear of Going Outside a nature show

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Speaker 1: by the most reluctant host ever. Uh it is. It

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Speaker 1: is a good listen, especially if you yourself are a

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Speaker 1: little bit hesitant about camping. So uh yes, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for listening. If you're enjoying the show

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Speaker 1: and you want to leave a rating or review, I

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Speaker 1: would be most grateful. I print out everything's going to

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Speaker 1: give it literally zero stars from the clip hanger. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go rater no oh no, I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: like a review from Ivy Lee. It's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: Ivy Lee, um Goku sixty nine. And then it's going

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Speaker 1: to be like, I you you literally didn't tell me

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Speaker 1: what that squeaking noise was, and so negative. Somehow you'll

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Speaker 1: manage to find out a way to do negative stars.

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Speaker 1: The review is just gonna me through you where it's

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Speaker 1: just gonna be rude, so rude. Well, if you think

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Speaker 1: the podcast is rude, or if you think it's great, whatever,

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Speaker 1: you can leave a review for me. I'll read them all.

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Speaker 1: I print them all out, and then I like playing

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Speaker 1: it like it's snow. I make a snow angel out

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Speaker 1: of the reviews. So the more I get, the better

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Speaker 1: my snow angel quality of all these papers that I've

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Speaker 1: strewn about the house and made my husband worry about me.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, thank you so much for listen. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: the Space Classics for their super awesome song Exo Lumina.

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