1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Opportunity It's what we 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: all want. But what happens when an opportunity is taken 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: away from you? How do you react? Well, we're seeing 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: it play out in real life right now with Jordan Hicks. 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Got all the respect in the world for Hicks, who 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: broke his silence over the weekend. He was open, he 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: was honest, he was very candid about his feelings. First though, 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: our thoughts on back together Saturday. It's Cardinals Cover two, 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Episode four forty eight, and it starts now. Welcome to 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike jarecki. Cardinals 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Cover two is presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit asy Cardinals 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: near sight of Fritz Bob. He's into the ends ofe 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jareckie. So 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: we talked about it after Friday's practice. MJ. They were 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: there again on Saturday talking about the fans and how 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: much of a difference having people in this stance cannot 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: be overstated enough. The energy everyone from the coaches to 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the players, the support step, everyone just kind of there's 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: a little bit more bounce and everyone's steps here in practice. 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And I was listening to Kyle 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Shanahan and he said Game one last year was just 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: dead and of course Cardinals won't be able to go 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: up there and win in Week one against a division 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: opponent that represented the Super Bowl. You know, last year 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the players had to find their own juice and using 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: a big play. But it was just interesting where you 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: can almost hear the other sidelines if they made a 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: big play, and that was unusual. So I can't tell 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: you and I saying enough we as an organization and 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: the players, they definitely missed the fans, and I anticipate 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: we're going to have good fans. I know, schools start 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: up and coming up this week and then including the 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: red and white practice coming up on Saturday, and then 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: we're looking at preseason game, something we didn't have last year. 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: But just having the fans and you know, they may 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: have had three thousand on Friday, maybe seven eight thousand 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday. It really made a difference for these players, 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: and they got a chance to see the offense. I 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: thought the offense was clicking on Saturday. And it usually 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: goes back and forth. One day the defense will have 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: their upper hand. But I thought the offense come out 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: and showed what they can do when healthy and they 45 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: can spend the ball down the field on the fans. 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Max Williams post practice on Saturday quote, it was loud 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: in there today and then he was talking about last 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: season and the whole league just seemed off with no fans, 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: And there is going to be a renewed sense of 50 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: appreciation about what those people mean that pay money to 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: come watch teams, not just in the NFL, but college football, basketball, 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: every single sport across the board. You're going to see, 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: I think, better play because you do feed off of it, 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: not only at home, but when you're on the road, 55 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: because what do you always like to see? The players 56 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: always say like sometimes they prefer playing on the road 57 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: because what gets them excited, shutting up the fans on 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the road, don't give them anything to cheer about. And 59 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: we have the Hall of Fame game. You got the 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Normally you have some 61 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: Hall of famers going in there, and then next thing, 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, Craig, the Cardinals will start their preseason schedule 63 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: and then they're going to practice on Labor Day. But 64 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: after that, you're gonna have football every single Sunday, and 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: technically on paper if you throw in college. Right around 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: August twenty eighth, and that's when the Cardinals head to 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: New Orleans to play the Saints. We're gonna have football 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: between now in February. We're getting closer. I like it. 69 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: It sounds very very good, you know what. I also 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: liked rondel Moore. He continues, Now, I'm gonna couch this 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, and I feel I have to say 72 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: this every time we talk here at Cardinals training camp, 73 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: Howard by Cox, because yes, it is early. We are 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: entering week two. We will know a lot more about 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: these players individually, especially the young players, once the pads 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: come on, and that is happening this week. But rondal Moore, 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: in a word, awesome. I just, you know, the ability 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: to make the over the shoulder catch as he did 79 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: between two defenders on a pass thrown by Chris Streveler 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: during seven on seven. Later on eleven on eleven, he 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: cut a pass down the scene from Kyler for what 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: would have been a touchdown. You've noticed it's during the 83 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: first couple of days of camp. There is no one 84 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: defensively that can keep up with Ron del Moore right now. 85 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: And I think Malcolm Butler is flashed at times. I 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: think Robert Alford showing his physicality. He's got his hands 87 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: on a few footballs, including a pick six. I mean, 88 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: I look at Byron Murphy. He's making plays out there. 89 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes you'll go against the second unit. 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Usually the Cardinals like to have their first team and 91 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: then you're rotating, you know, different personnel, and the defense 92 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: will counter with their their different personnel. So a lot 93 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: of it's against the number one. But that you can't 94 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: rush the pass or you can't even touch the quarterback. 95 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: So we gotta tempered a little bit. And they will 96 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: put the pads on Tuesday. They'll be the first time. 97 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: But I can tell you right now they cannot cover 98 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: him in training camp thus far. And I can make 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: the same claim when it comes to AJ Green. Aj 100 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Green he has that long stride, He's got a thick 101 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: lower tour, so you got to see his quads and 102 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: his thighs and he gets separation. He's getting over the top. 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: He's great on the fifty fifty balls. They're working on 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 1: the back shoulder faith, they're working on the comeback route, 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: and then you throw on Christian Kirk and you know, 106 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk's probably one of the guys that's been more 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: consistent just catching the football. You don't see any drops 108 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: from hop, you don't see him from roundel Moore. Sometimes 109 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: maybe he's got to slow down a little bit and 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: we think he's gonna get his feet wet when it 111 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: comes with special teams, he's actually getting a chance to 112 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: return kicks and punts. I noticed that. You know, Christian 113 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: Kirk's been out there and Joejoe Ward at times. So 114 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: you know, if you're a backup, you got to play 115 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: on teams. But he's going to be part of this offense. 116 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: But right now they cannot cover him. In training camp. 117 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: He's listed talking about rondel Moore at five foot seven 118 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: and one hundred and eighty one pounds, but you watch 119 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: him on the football field and he does not look small. 120 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: He plays bigger than what his size weights would indicate, 121 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: And I think that's important He's not going to get 122 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. If he can continue this here 123 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: now with the pads coming on standouts in preseason, there 124 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: will be a role for him. They will find a 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: role for him offensively and not just on special teams. 126 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: And we haven't even talked about the gadget plays. You know. 127 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: We know in the past they try to get Andy 128 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: Isabella Christian Kirk on a bubble screen. If you can 129 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: get a block initially, that becomes an extended run play 130 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: in my mind. But you could see him in the 131 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: backfield where Kyler's in the shotgun and it's that read 132 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: option where he just pitches it to him. Let go, 133 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: let him get to the outside because they're gonna have 134 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: to seal the edge there. So there's gonna be different 135 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: ways to use him. And you know, we talk about 136 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: eleven personnel, three wide, one tight, one back. We talk 137 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: about twelve personnel, two tight, two back, two wide receiver, 138 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: excuse me, one back. But this is the first time 139 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: I literally can say this Cliff has four wide receivers 140 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: and that's ten personnel. You can line up Hopkins and 141 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: an eighty two percent of the time he lined up 142 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: on the left side last year I mean, I can 143 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: see him moving around, but that's that's the air raid. 144 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: When you get a guy like that, that's the air 145 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: raid offense. They do it in college, even though the 146 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: hash marks are different. And then you got aj Green 147 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: and you can really roll out Rondel Moore and Christian 148 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Kirk in the slot. I don't know if it's going 149 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: to take over for twelve personnel because right now I 150 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: think they got two tight ends they like, and then 151 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: obviously they're still looking for a pass catching tight end. 152 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: But you can make the case that you know, we 153 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: know that they struggled with the ten personnel in the 154 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: first month of the season their first year. You got 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: to protect the edges. But literally, if Cliff really wants 156 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: to run, and I think it's got to be, you know, 157 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: a situational football two minute drill, four minute drill. But 158 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't begrudge them starting the game. If they see 159 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: something on film that week and they feel like they 160 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: can spread teams out, that's a change up. But I 161 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: still think eleven and twelve personnel, And as you pointed out, 162 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: they were number one last year in ten personnel in 163 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: the league, and I think the second team was the 164 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and clearly Josh Allen's very summar to Kylin 165 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: Murray get outside the pocket of me called the throws. 166 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: But I think for the first time they literally can 167 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: roll out four wide receivers and feel comfortable about moving 168 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the football down the field. Yeah, ten personnel twenty percent 169 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: of the time according to Next Gen Stats. And the 170 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: big addition to that this year is aj Green and 171 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: the questions about signing a thirty something wide receiver, how 172 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: much does he have left? And what I've noticed is 173 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: what a lot of people have. And this goes back 174 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: to the offseason where Cliff Kingsbury was caught on Mike 175 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: during the most recent episode of Cardinals Flight Plan look 176 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: at number eighteen, and fans, if you come out here 177 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: to State Farm Stadium to catch Cardinals training camp powered 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: by Cox, pay attention to number eighteen because he does 179 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: seem not only is he healthy, but he's having fun 180 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: out there. And we've talked a lot about it and 181 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: will continue to talk about it's the two wide receiver. 182 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: There is less pressure on him here as opposed to 183 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: what he had in Cincinnati, and I think right now 184 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: he's enjoying it and the new lease on life. The weather, 185 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: placticing on grass, being in a stadium climate controlled, all 186 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: those factors that we touched on in the off season 187 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: for why this Arizona is now a destination for free 188 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: agents that all of a sudden we're seeing it play 189 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: out on the field. Now, we just need to get 190 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: to the regular season. But I think AJ Green is 191 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: going to have a big time role within this offense. 192 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: And we've talked about Kyler showing more personality, more leadership. 193 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: When Kyler Murray says that he likes the wide receiver, Okay, 194 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: we know a couple of years ago he wanted Cedee 195 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Lamb and he wanted Cardinals draft Quody Ford, And yes, 196 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: he should have input and will probably have that conversation 197 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: at some point this week. But for the most part, 198 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: when Kyler Murray says people are falling in sleep on 199 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: AJ Green, and when he says that, that's confirmation for me. 200 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: And if I'm here sitting here talking about you know, 201 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: they got four receivers technically, you know you can go 202 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Keishaw Johnson and possibly Andy Isabelle. Even though I think 203 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: they only dressed five on game day. They got some 204 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: other receivers A J. Richardson number thirty three, Antoine Wesley 205 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: of the Year stuck. He's getting a lot of playing 206 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: time and he doesn't drop very million balls. He's skinny 207 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: and he's wearing thirty three. But man, he's part of 208 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: the equation here with Keishaan Johnson and Isabella and Joe 209 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: Joe Award. So I got confirmation from Kyler. But let's 210 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: be honest here. I mean, you're paying aj Green half 211 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: of what you're paying Larry Fitzgerald over the last four years, 212 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: and the key again is to stay healthy. Green did 213 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: have a great catch at several but one that stood 214 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: out on Saturday was a deep ball from Kyler and 215 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: he made sure Green near the sideline to get both 216 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: feet in bounds as he was defended by Deontay Thompson. 217 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: So I really like what I'm seeing out of aj Green. Look, 218 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: this is training camp where players flash, and then when 219 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: you get into the preseason you like to see kind 220 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: of the cohesive unit. But it beats the alternative as 221 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: opposed to talking about, hey, this is just not working out, 222 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: or you know, why isn't this guy doing this and 223 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: why isn't that guy doing that. We're not having those 224 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: conversations here early ain't right, And I thought you made 225 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: a good point earlier where he is number two. He 226 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to think he had seven seasons 227 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: over a thousand yards. He was the number one target 228 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, went through three quarterbacks last year between you know, 229 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Ryan Finley, and Brandon Allen. And so for me, 230 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in the number two corner and 231 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: he stays on the outside, you may draw a second 232 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: or third corner because somebody's got to cover the slot. 233 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: And we know in the NFL now that second corner 234 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: is also you know, in the second wide receiver or 235 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: third wider, they're just as equal. I mean you can 236 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: sit here and say, well, there's slot guys better than 237 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: the outside guys. So the fact that he's going to 238 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: get you know, single coverage, and I think, you know, 239 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: I think Kylie would take his chances on the fifty 240 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: fifty ball, but he kind of he's reached out his 241 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: career and the fact that he's been number one guy 242 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: probably in high school and in college and then you 243 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: get to the NFL and you're drafted that high. He 244 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: was picked before Patrick Peterson, fourth overall, and when you 245 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: look at his targets. Last year, a lot of her 246 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: were uncatchable balls and that's not the case here. So 247 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to temper my enthusiasm 248 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: or be bullish about this. Football is about staying healthy 249 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: and availability and durability. As long as he can stay healthy, 250 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: you can help this football team. Quick aside, not sure 251 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: if you caught it over the weekend, and not exactly 252 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: sure when it posted, but riding Shotgun with Lisa Matthews 253 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: is back again here for training camp and her first 254 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: passenger was AJ Green. You can catch it up on 255 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash 256 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: as Cardinals. But I did not know Aj Green. The 257 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: man is a juggler and a very good juggler, so 258 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. But he does have 259 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: great hands. We've seen that first in the Cincinnati Bengals 260 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: and now hopefully with the Arizona Cardinals. And you know, 261 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: I think he'll be thirty three Craig going into the 262 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: season if I remember correctly. Yeah, it's there's a birthday 263 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: coming up for mister Green yet, so usually you know, 264 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: and maybe we get to October November, but right now, 265 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: you know, he can go in there and say, hey, listen, 266 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm a vet. He doesn't want any days off. He 267 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: wants reps and so as long as he can stay 268 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: healthy and he's stretching and again he's got the body 269 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: to play at a high level. I'm telling you that 270 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: you could see what kind of shape he's in. He's 271 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: well regarded in that locker room. He does talk to 272 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. They played golf a few times. They don't 273 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: talk about football. You know, Larry has a lot of 274 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: good friends on this on this roster, he has a 275 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: lot of good friends and he still keeps in contact, 276 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: but they don't ask him about anything else. But uh, 277 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: like I said, he looks the part. And you know 278 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't go out and spend twelve 279 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: to fifteen million and a guy like Kenny Galla day 280 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: And he would add, because you're paying Hopkins so much, 281 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: and Hopkins is going to be your one hundred and 282 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: fifty target guy. Now, that doesn't mean Green can't get 283 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: seventy five to eighty targets and get fifty to sixty receptions. 284 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: And I like him in the red zone, Craig, we 285 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: did see the back. They over the shoulder, fade in 286 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: a drill. Don't know how much they'll utilize that, but 287 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: with his heightened size going against these five and eleven 288 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: or six foot corners, I'm gonna take my chances on 289 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: that on that act shoulder fade or I want you 290 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: to throw that fade pass where only one guy can 291 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: catch it, and Hopkins was thrown one two. So I 292 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: like that. When you get down the red zone and 293 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: they all think you're gonna run the fall, especially if 294 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: Connor's in there, you got to make sure you don't 295 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: turn it over. And that's one thing that Kyler said. 296 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: He wants to cut down those turners, especially when you 297 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: get to the red zone or the goal line. Green 298 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: six foot four, two hundred and ten pounds and just 299 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: turned thirty three July thirty first. This past Saturday was 300 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: his birthday, So a belated birthday shout out to aj Green, 301 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: one of the new Arizona Cardinals this season. Here in 302 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, speaking of Saturday, the training camp back 303 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: together Saturday, I thought it was handled very very well. 304 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: Watched some of it after the fact I had taped it, 305 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: but the third hours of coverage on the NFL Network, 306 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner Peter Schrager here covering Cardinals training camp powered 307 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: by Cox, Kurt Warner sitting down or I should say 308 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: standing up with Kyler Murray for a conversation, and Shregs 309 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to speak with head coach Cliff Kingsbury. 310 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: Both of those interviews, by the way, can be found 311 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: onasy Cardinals dot com. Now we talk a lot about 312 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: about the offense, and rightfully so, but defensively, a couple 313 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: of things for me. One Zaman Collins and he had 314 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: a tipped pass that Chris Banjo ultimately cots on a 315 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: ball down in the field from Kyler Murray. But if 316 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: you see the Highland, I think the clips up are 317 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: on asycardinals dot com or the various social media channels. 318 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: But the way Collins tipped the ball and he reached 319 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: back across his body, the wingspan of this young kid 320 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: from Tulsa, And what also should be good for Cardinal 321 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: fans because we talk about and I'm gonna borrow bertrand 322 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: Berry's phrasing the eye, the fact that Zaven Collins is 323 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: going one way, but it's still looking in the backfield 324 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: and seeing that football and then has the presence of 325 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: mind to reach back and get a hand on the 326 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: football to allow one of his teammates, in this case 327 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Chris Banjo come up with the I NT. Well, that's 328 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: something you can't teach and those are instincts, and that's 329 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: something that you know clearly they're hoping to do. Once 330 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: JJ Watt gets back to practice and hopefully soon is 331 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: they want to work on the bat at ball drill 332 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: and JJ Watts one of the best at that. And 333 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: that's more the defensive line where you have to anticipate 334 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: when the quarterbacks going to throw the wall put your 335 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: arms up there. We know when Carlo Stansby was here, 336 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: he got into a little smaller stance and he had 337 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: plenty of time to get some interception. He's dropped a few. 338 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: We know a couple of years ago, Jordan Hicks led 339 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: this team in interception. So they're anticipating if they can 340 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: get that rush up front, meaning you know, put them 341 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: in passing situations. They feel like if they get the 342 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: tip drill going that that's where Isaiah Simmons and Jordan 343 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: Hicks and then Zaven Collins and possibly a guy like 344 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Chandler Joe can get a ball or two. Today, clearly 345 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: one of the emphasis on forcing more turnovers, and then 346 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: it all starts out front with the front seven. Yeah, 347 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: I get that secondary, some more opportunities at potential interceptions, 348 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: some takeaways, and get that offense back on the field. 349 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: If we hope to see Hopkins with one hundred and 350 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: fifty targets and aj Green with seventy five targets, you 351 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: want that offense on the field so they have the 352 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: opportunity to get those balls. Yeah, and you know, you 353 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: know how I feel about hurries, pressures and knockdowns because 354 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: what the key is and you hear the players saying, 355 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: get the quarterback office spot. J J. Watton made a 356 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: comment when he spoke to the media. Thing was less Friday, 357 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: and he said that, you know, yes, we get fixate 358 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: on sacks, but I like tackle for losses stuffs. In 359 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: other words, get the quarterback off the spot. If it 360 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: leads to a turnover, that's more impressive than just a sack. Now, 361 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: if it's a sack on third down, they got a punt. 362 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: But he was in that same category. Stuff's tackle for loss. 363 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: That means you're winning at the line of scrimmage and 364 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: that's only going to help the entire defense as a 365 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: whole gonna get back to the defense here in a 366 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: moment's Bird Gang. 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Benjamin, 376 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: will he be given an opportunity to be one to 377 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: make the team, to be active on game day And 378 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: the thing holding him back or which held him back 379 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: last season was special teams. He was not involved in 380 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: special teams. Well, it was noticeable on Saturday that Eno Benjamin, 381 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: he's not returning kicks, but he is working as the upback, 382 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: whether that was Rondel Moore Deep or Joe Joe Ward Deep. 383 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: You know Benjamin is back there to provide blocking and 384 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: maybe even an opportunity at catching a kickoff if it's 385 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: kicked short. But it is good to see you number 386 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: twenty six on the field. Also was good to see 387 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: him getting some first team reps in the backfield with 388 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and company. But you know, Benjamin, if he 389 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: is going to make this team, he has to play 390 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: on special teams. Otherwise, I'm sorry, bird Gang. He's not 391 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds, he's not James Connor. You can't hold him. 392 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 1: You can't just have him be a running back at 393 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: least right now, now that that's this stage of his career. Yeah, 394 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: and it's an opportunity for him to get on the field. 395 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: You know, you just look at you know the fact 396 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: that DJ Foster had that role for a while and 397 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: he recently saw him with the CFL. And the up 398 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: guy is when the kickoff is kicked shorter, he has 399 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: the ability to either take it out. You definitely don't 400 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: want to fair catch it. Maybe he's catching it at 401 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: the seven yard line, clearly he's going to try to 402 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: get out, and then you had Chase Edmonds in behind him, 403 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: So that could be a situation. Now I think that's 404 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: gonna be Roundale Moore and they could use a guy 405 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: like um. You know, I don't think Christian Kurve's going 406 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: to be, but you would try to use another skill 407 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: position player as that up guy. The other guys back there, 408 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: at least during this drill, Joejoe Ward, Andre Butchelli and 409 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: Calfani Muhammad, those were I like the way he runs. 410 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: And Jonathan Ward's he's he's got a spot on this 411 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: team right now. He's a third string running back. And um, 412 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: they could keep four or three active on game day 413 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: and Eno Benjamin would be practice squad eligible. I know 414 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear that, but um forty one. 415 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: To me, he's he's elicted at five seven hundred seventy four, 416 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: but he plays a lot bigger. And Jonathan Wards six 417 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: feet two two. Um, he's wearing number twenty nine and 418 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: twenty nine. He's getting a ton of reps in there. 419 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: And I noticed between you look at Chase number two, 420 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: and then you look at Connor number six, then the 421 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: n you see Jonathan Ward, and then you see Muhammad, 422 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you see Edo and Benjamin, 423 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and so it's to me it's gonna be a long shot. 424 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: But the fact is, he realizes he's going to have 425 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: to do something on teams and it's not returning, it's 426 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: about being out there and you can be available. We 427 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: know injuries occur at that position, so he's got to 428 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: be ready, and I think we're going to see a 429 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: lot of him in the preseason. The other player that 430 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: was working as the upback, Chris Streveler, who we saw 431 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: work special teams occasionally last season. If he is to 432 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: make this roster as your third quarterback slash special teamer, 433 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: then we might see him more. And then all of 434 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, if you're on punt return or excuse me, 435 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: on the punt team, you know, and all of a sudden, 436 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you can utilize him a little bit as 437 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: far as his arm and some of those gadgets and 438 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: different options to kind of keep the offense on the 439 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: football field. But yeah, you know, Benjamin and Chris Streveler 440 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: are both working on special team something that well you 441 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: know did not do and Streveler did a handful of 442 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: times last season. Well that tells me they're going to 443 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: do this in the preseason. Because I don't see Chris 444 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: Streveler making the roster. I mean, we'll get into Colton 445 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: McCoy because you know, since we're talking about this, I 446 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: go back to last year, and you know, this is 447 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: what I was told recently when they went into camp. 448 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: Brett Hunley was the backup quarterback. Okay, he didn't play 449 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: up to par though, and Streber I'll played him. So 450 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm hearing this. That's why 451 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: Straveler was the backup. Now we know that clearly he 452 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: wasn't ready to play in that game. And you think 453 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: why Hunley was on the bench. But in fairness, now 454 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: we'll get into Jordan Hicks and what happened inside linebacker. 455 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: But in fairness, you know, we see that we see 456 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: certain practices. We don't look at the film as he 457 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: missing guys. But Brett Hundley did not have a good 458 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: training camp and that's why the Cardinals went in with 459 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Chris Streveler. We saw him in Week one and two. 460 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Um so to me preseason because to me, the punt 461 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: protector has always been like Zeke Turner, where he can 462 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: make the call. Of course he made the throw, was 463 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: that and he Lee made the throw? Um, Yes, the Cats. 464 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: So to me, you gotta put somebody out there, and 465 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: if you want to show him the preseason, go for it. 466 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: But I just don't think Chris Strello is going to 467 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: be on the active roster, but again that's what the 468 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: preseason is for. And they still believe he could be 469 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: that Tysoon Hill. But clearly, you know, it was a 470 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: little bit different with Drew Brees's age and then he 471 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: got Jameis Winston there after week one or two. They're 472 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: not taking Kyler Murray off the field, so and he 473 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: can run the scout team. You know you're gonna go 474 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: again some readoption quarterbacks this year, guys that you know, 475 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: pocket passers. So he'll get a chance to practice, but 476 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: I just don't see him them keeping two three quarterbacks 477 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: on the roster. Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday probably 478 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: a partner of the Arizona Cardinals as we come to 479 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: you from Cardinals training camp, powered by Cox and the 480 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: big thing MJ that happened on Saturday took place post practice, 481 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: and that was hearing from Jordan Hicks, who took us 482 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: behind closed doors on what happened this offseason. A quick refresher. 483 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Hicks during the offseason accepted a paycut, saw Zaman Collins 484 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: get drafted or anointed the starter team. Now, says Hicks 485 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: will assist on a trade never happened. He missed all 486 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: of the offseason work, did report to training camp on time, 487 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: and that's where we're at right now. I thought Hicks 488 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: could not have been better at explaining his side of 489 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: the store, and I got no reason to discount what 490 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: he had to say. But it was good to get 491 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: an honest, open and really refreshing player talk about what 492 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: he was going through, because you know, we only get 493 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: what's reported out there and we don't see Hicks. We're 494 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: wondering what's going on. Is he unhappy? Well, yeah, he's unhappy, 495 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: but he is here. He's being a good soldier, he's 496 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: being a consummate professional. But the biggest takeaway that I 497 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: had from Jordan Hicks is one he is obviously unhappy, 498 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: but he is here. He has a job, and he'll 499 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: do every thing in his power to help Zaven Collins 500 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: and maybe even help himself to get on the football field. 501 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: So a lot of different things, but just for you, 502 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: what you heard in that press conference room from Jordan Hicks, Well, 503 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: it happened on draft night. They made it very clear 504 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: that he was going to be a Day one starter, 505 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: and they drafted Isaiah Simmons the year before now listen. 506 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: I think Jordan Hicks was a very good signing. You know, 507 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: is it his fault that they didn't have a nice 508 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: rotation at defensive line last year. That's the reason why 509 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: they went out and got Jordan Phillips. That's the reason 510 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: why they went out and got JJ Watt this year. 511 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: So he was getting tackles three or four yards on 512 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: the line scrimmage, and then the prior year he had 513 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: a hard time covering tight ends. And I thought deve 514 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: Andre Campbell, you know, the Cardinals did think they had 515 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: a trade partner. It didn't work out. He's been a 516 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: pros pro. Matter of fact, on some of the plays 517 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: on Saturday, it was Hicks and Collins inside and they 518 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: had Chandler on the outside and they had Isaiah Simmons 519 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: on the outside. Still looked like that, you know, that 520 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: three four frontum so um. You know, I think I 521 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: think what people are wanting to know, why did they 522 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: anoint him draft nights? I do? I mean, I was, hey, 523 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: we can go back to the archives, and Jay I 524 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: still have a hard time understanding why. Okay, but we 525 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: don't know what the exit interview was like. When Steve 526 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: or Cliff met with Jordan Hicks. Jordan Hicks did not 527 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: play good football last year. At the end of the season, 528 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: he tailed off correct well, if you want to just 529 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: look going back to you know, we look at the tackles, 530 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: but his his grades were not good. And the Cardinals 531 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: felt like there's a guy here that is he's going 532 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: to be the future. And and I give Jordan Hicks, 533 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's unhappy, he wants he's unhappy 534 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: with the situation that he was placed in. He didn't 535 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: put himself in this situation. He had that situation placed 536 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: upon himself. But he he's going to compete, Yes, and 537 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: we've already heard that there could be a possession or 538 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: two that Colin's going to be on the sidelines. We 539 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: have to anticipate Craig and even with Isaiah Simmons because 540 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the snap count up like we thought 541 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: he would, they're going to be grown pains. So I 542 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: like the fact that Vance is willing to, you know, 543 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: get vans up. We're gonna play the best players now. 544 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: Right now, Collins is passing with he's passing with flying colors. 545 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: He makes the calls. You could see the athleticism. Yeah, 546 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: I just know that when Steve Kaine probably looked at 547 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: those games in weeks seven, sixteen, and seventeen and he thought, 548 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: you know what, we got to get more physical and 549 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: we gotta get more athleticism at that position. Nothing against Hicks, 550 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: and Kicks said, I understand, it's a business. He's got 551 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: to do what's best for the franchise. I guess the 552 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: thing is in you're seeing national story, say why wouldn't 553 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: you let the guy compete? That's the questionnaire, Okay, but 554 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: they made it very clear when they started scouting Hicks. 555 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry Collins, and based on how Hicks played last year, 556 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: you could see why they made the pick. I just 557 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: if I'm the general manager, I cannot do that. I 558 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: can't put that on a young player. As we always 559 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: are told, you have to earn it, whether that's in 560 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: the National Football League or in your current position, your 561 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: current job, whatever you're doing, you always want that opportunity. 562 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: What do you do with that opportunity? Well, when the 563 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: opportunity is taken away from you like it was for 564 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, and the opportunity to compete to be the starter, 565 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: how do you react? And I think Jordan Hicks reacted 566 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: as anyone else would, and maybe even better because he's here, 567 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: he's participating, and as we discussed on Friday, he's still 568 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: the first player in line for those inside linebacker drills. 569 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: So he is going to make it very, very difficult 570 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: for Cliff Kingsbury vance Joseph to make that decision and 571 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: keep Zavian Collins on the football field. Look, I hope 572 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: everything works out. I'll keep saying it. I'm just glad 573 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: Hicks is here to be a sounding board and to 574 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: be the backup, if you will, the fallback plan, I'll 575 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: call it what it is. It's it's the fallback plan. 576 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: But to hear Hicks say that he's willing to help 577 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: Collins on and off the field, quote, I feel I've 578 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: got a lot of knowledge to share. And then he 579 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: mentioned that when he was a rookie, Damiko Ryan's mentored him, 580 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: brought him under his wing. And I think, as difficult 581 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: as it sounds, that's what Hicks is doing with Davin Collins. 582 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: And it cannot be easy to kind of help someone 583 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: who not is trying to take your job, has your job, 584 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: And that can't be stated enough on just what Hicks 585 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: is being asked to do and is doing given the situation. 586 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: Speaking of DeMeco Ryans, he is the forty nine ers 587 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Now that Robert Saila as a head coach 588 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: of the Jets, and they got one of the best 589 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: inside linebackers in football. And Fred Warner, listen, you want 590 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: to bottom line this, they need Jordan Hicks now. In 591 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: the perfect world, he's on another team right now. But 592 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: then who are your backups? I know they had an 593 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: interest in Devindre Campbell. He end up signing with the Packers. 594 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: If Hicks was traded, I prefer to have him to 595 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: be Mindre Campbell here and then you right now running 596 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: two is Tanner Vallejo and Jordan Higgs. You gotta think 597 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: Zeke Turner's gonna squeeze in there at some point because 598 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: of his athleticism and know he's gonna be active on 599 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: game day. Then Kylie fitz Connely canar they set the 600 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: edges on the outside, but right now they need Jordan Hicks. 601 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: The other inside linebackers on the roster Jamal Carter, Donald Rutledge, 602 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: Evan Weaver, Terrence Smith. And I know Weaver as a 603 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: draft pick. You know he was on the practice squad 604 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: all last season. I just don't know if he has 605 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: what it takes at this level. Despite how successful he 606 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: was in college. That is a huge jump from college 607 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: to the pros, and I just don't know right now 608 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: if he is there to be someone that the Cardinals 609 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: can count on, not certainly not as a starter, but 610 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: someone that could be providing some death that inside liveback. Yeah, 611 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: he's they got a lot of you know, we talk 612 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: about the young guys Collins and Simmons, but you got Hicks, 613 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: you got Valjo, you got Turner, a couple of Rutledge. 614 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: I just think he's gone the outside looking in. And 615 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: unfortunately for him, he needed playing the preseason last year 616 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: because this guy would have been like a Tasmanian devil 617 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: on special teams. He didn't get a chance to let 618 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: it get his feet wet. I mean, he's really he 619 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: does well in drills, he's kind of undersized at that position. 620 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be a long shot, just 621 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: based on you already got two young guys, and then 622 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: you got a veteran presence between Fallejo, Hicks and then Turner, 623 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: and where those guys playing on teams. So I think 624 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be a Tall ordered for him to 625 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: even be on the practice squad this year. Now, I'll 626 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: give the Cardinals credits in this aspect and how they 627 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: chose to handle this situation with Jordan Hicks, because we 628 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: heard it from Hicks himself. A couple of days after 629 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: the draft, Steve come called Hicks to inform him what 630 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: was going to happen. In that quote, I couldn't compete 631 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: for the job. That was the whole reason behind all 632 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: the drama end quote. So I appreciate the fact that 633 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals did not keep Hicks in the dark. They 634 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: were straightforward with Hicks on look, this is how it's 635 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: going to go. And to a certain extent, yeah, Hicks 636 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: admitted he was pissed off at first, but then understood 637 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: the business aspect because the team is doing what it 638 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: thinks is best for the organization and not just for 639 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: one individual. So I like that that there was constant 640 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: communication and we were told that from Cliffs, from Cliff Kingsbury, 641 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: whether it was him or Vance Joseph, that they always 642 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: kept Hicks and the loop. I don't know how many 643 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: teams do that under situations like this. So I do 644 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: like that, and again I'm on record, I don't agree 645 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: with the decision to anoint Zaven Collins as the starter, 646 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: but let's hope it works out the decisions we made 647 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: m J. I mean I personally, I gotta get over it. 648 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Zaven Collins is the guy. Let's hope everything works out, 649 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: and so far it has. Listen, I'm all for competing, 650 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: but you don't draft a guy sixteenth overall, just sit 651 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: on the bench now when when you're you know you 652 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: got abused in weeks sixteen and seventeen. Now, during that conversation, 653 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure he said, we're going to allow you and 654 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: your agent to or explorer tree market. Yeah, I can 655 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: tell you there's one team out there and the end 656 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: up signing another player that they thought he was gonna 657 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: get traded it, but not a market out there for 658 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: him based on his film. Yeah, So Hicks shows up 659 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: and as he said, quote, I just want to play. 660 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: This is where we're sitting right now, show up every 661 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: day with a smile on my face, and be the 662 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: best teammates I can be end quote. And then he 663 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: was asked about Zaven specifically, and Zavan is doing everything 664 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: he's supposed to do. He's picking up the defense, he's 665 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: commanding the huddle, and to Hicks's point, that's not easy, 666 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: especially when you're a rookie. And when Hicks says, you're 667 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: looking at the huddle and you've got JJ Watt, Chandler, Jones, 668 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, all eyes are on you, rook you have 669 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: to let us know what to do. That that can 670 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: be intimidating. But right now it certainly sounds you're in 671 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: training camp. Will get more in preseason that Zavian Collins 672 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: is up for the challenge and it is a monumental 673 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: challenge that is being put in front of him, and 674 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: it's not going to be an easy chore. I'm sure 675 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: if you're dal Loggins, the offensive coordinating now with the 676 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Of course, Arthur Smith moved on to be 677 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, and Dalla Loggins 678 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: does have a relationship with Tannehill, and they're gonna use 679 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: lights play action, but they're they're gonna go after the 680 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: young players on the Cardinals. We want Kyle Shanahan do it, 681 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully Isah is up for the task. But the 682 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: good news is you're gonna have a healthy, channeler, motivated 683 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Buddha Baker, J. J. Watt. To me, the 684 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: first three games are fascinating. You get the Vikings in 685 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: your home open, and then you gotta, you know, you 686 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: play Jacksonville, and you would think they're going to try 687 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: to find their oats even though they got a rookie quarterback, 688 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: a rookie head coach, so to speak. So it's gonna 689 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: be interesting. But I'm really really interesting how these offensive 690 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: coordinates are going to approach the Cardinals, considering in the 691 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: middle of that field you got, you don't have a guy, 692 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: they don't have a ton of starts, and they don't 693 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: have a ton of snaps. Now that could change, but 694 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how the growing pains they 695 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: go through in September and how they change from October 696 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: to hopefully January. And you're gonna hear a lot about leash, 697 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, shortlyas long leash. How much do you allow 698 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: Zavan Collins to play through his mistakes, which I think 699 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: you do have, But at what point do you go 700 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: all right, well, too many mistakes costing his games, costing 701 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: us position, costing us a potential playoff spot. So that 702 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: is that's gonna be an interest in give and take 703 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: as well when you're making decisions going into a particular 704 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: game week. Yeah, and you gotta trust Vans. He obviously 705 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: has more intel than we do. He watched practice. He 706 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: knows whatever guy's strength is. And listen, at the end 707 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: of the day, you gotta win football games. I mean, 708 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: Zaven Collins isn't going anywhere. He's gonna be here for 709 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: the next five years. And listen, I wouldn't be mad 710 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: if it took him a little time to get going. 711 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: But everything you hear and see, he looks the part 712 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: when when the bullets are flying. It's a little bit 713 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: different than playing at Tulsa. By the way, we had 714 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: a better memory than I do when it comes to 715 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals history. But Darren Urban noted on his story 716 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: with Jordan Hicks over the week on Weekend on Easy 717 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com, he brought up two thousand and seven. 718 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner felt frustrated, felt he had outplayed Matt Leiner, 719 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: Liner named the daughter, ended up getting hurt, and Warner 720 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: finished the season as the guy not saying that you 721 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: know that's going to happen here in twenty twenty one, 722 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: But it's what do you do how do you handle 723 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: the situation? And right now, Hicks I think is handling 724 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: everything about as well as you could possibly do. Oh. 725 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: By the way, he's looking very good in training camp. 726 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: He looks like he lost a little bit of weight. 727 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: Obviously he's motivated. He's betting on himself here. And you know, 728 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade him right now, Craig, because I don't 729 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: know if they had that much debt. But I mean 730 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: it's not like he's, you know, getting less reps. I 731 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: mean they try to get everyone reps. Clearly he's not 732 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: in there when they come to the number one defense, 733 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: but he's I mean, they give all these guys reps. Man, 734 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: you're fourth or fifth string, you're probably not getting the 735 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: same reps. But he actually looks a lot better and 736 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: a lot faster than he didn't end the season last year. 737 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's just taken a toll on your body 738 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,959 Speaker 1: when you play that position. By the way, Bird Gang 739 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: season and single game tickets available right now. He's at 740 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com, Asy Cardinals dot com. Easy for me 741 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: to say, dot com slash game ticks. That's Asy Cardinals 742 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: dot com Slash game t i X. And if you're 743 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: looking for information on training camp. Cardinals training camp powered 744 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: by Cox again asy Cardinals dot com the news of 745 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: the day around the National Football League. Real quick here 746 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: as we talk on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyunday, 747 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Colts quarterback Carson Wentz 748 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: will undergo foot surgery. The timetable though is, what is 749 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: a little bit eye opening, five to twelve weeks. And 750 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: we bring this up because Christmas Day, December twenty fifth, 751 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: the Cardinals host the Colts here at State Farm Stadium. 752 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: That's four months out. So I would think if everything 753 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: goes well, Carson Wentz would be the Colts quarterback. But 754 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: it is something that is going to affect this division 755 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: because the Rams, the Seahawks, the forty nine ers all 756 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: play the Indiapolis Colts this season. I don't have the 757 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: schedules in front of me, but you know what, do 758 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: they get Carson Wentz? Do they get Jacob Easm Did 759 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: they get Brett Huntley who just signed over the weekend. 760 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: So something that we don't account for while we're going 761 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: through teams and schedules and predictions when injuries happened, and 762 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: then how long do injuries last well, and if Rogers 763 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 1: would have got traded to a team in the AFC, 764 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: he would have avoided Aaron Rodgers and then Deshaun Watson. 765 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: Who knows what's going on there. We're probably gonna face 766 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. But it's a good point. I wouldn't be 767 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: surprised if Nick Foles is online. One. He's running third 768 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: string in Chicago. You know, he's making a decent amount 769 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: of money. He's very familiar with Frank Wright's offense. But 770 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: you know, I listened to Chris Ballery actually last offseason 771 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: when people were wondering what they're gonna do with the position, 772 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: and he was really excited about Jacob Eason. Now again 773 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: it's different, but I gotta would think if he's gonna 774 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: be out five to twelve weeks, I mean, it's unfortunate 775 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: because he had an injury in high school led over 776 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: to the NFL. You know, it looks like either the 777 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: screw broke, so he's gonna have to have surgery there. 778 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: So it's it's disappointing because I thought he would flourish 779 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: in that system with Frank White, and they have a 780 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: super Bowl type roster with that offensive line and some 781 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: of the running games and their defense of coordinator doesn't 782 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: get enough credit. But yeah, it's just so much uncertainty 783 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: in that division with the quarterback play. The only thing 784 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: that's guaranteed is we know that Ryan Tannehill and Trevor 785 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,959 Speaker 1: Lawrence are going to be playing each week unless something 786 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: else happens. But for the other guys, I don't know 787 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: what's going to transpire. But I'm if I'm Chris Ballatt, 788 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm calling and getting Nick Foles there because he's familiar 789 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: with Frank Wright when they're in Philadelphia. First big injury 790 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: I think we're talking about here in training camp, certainly 791 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: involving a starting quarterback. And you wish the best for 792 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz because he was going to hit reset on 793 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 1: his career, reunited with Frank Reich, just not in Philadelphia 794 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: but now in Indianapolis, and now you got to hit 795 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: pause on that. Yeah, it's disappointing. I feel for him 796 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: because you know, you're get start he kind of got, 797 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know clearly the ownership felt like 798 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: they needed to after Jalen's hurts, You wonder you get 799 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: a fair shout there. I mean the problem is he's 800 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: been injury prone and he can't count on a guy 801 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: like that, and so they did their due diligence, and 802 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how Sam Darnold pans out with 803 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: the Panthers. They feel comfortable with him. He's gonna stay healthy. 804 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: Last year went through mono, but he seems like another 805 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: guy that's hitting the reset button on his career. They 806 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: got a well coached team, and I just don't know 807 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: how they're gonna be able to compete right away in 808 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: that division with the Buccaneers and Saints. You know which 809 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: you can count on. 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