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Speaker 1: Welcome to the naughty but nice Show. It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, and who joins us every Tuesday, our

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Speaker 2: dear friend Delana Dixon.

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Speaker 1: Heydlana. Are you there?

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Speaker 3: I am, I'm back.

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Speaker 1: I missed you last week.

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Speaker 2: I was in London, you were traveling. We are back

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Speaker 2: now and so we have a ton of catching gup

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Speaker 2: to get to lots of celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump in, my friends. What time is it? It

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Speaker 1: is tea time.

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Speaker 2: Big story at the top of the show. So overnight,

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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie's family has been officially cleared as DNA testing continues.

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Speaker 2: So authorities have formerly cleared Savannah's entire family following the

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Speaker 2: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, her eighty four year old mommy.

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Speaker 2: The sheriff said that the siblings and their spouses that's

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Speaker 2: as suspects and calling anybody that is suggesting this cruel

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Speaker 2: and emphasizing that the family are the victims here, plain

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Speaker 2: and simple. If you remember a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: when this tragedy first made headlines, when it first happened,

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Speaker 2: Savannah's sister's husband was named as a suspect. This circulated

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Speaker 2: on social media. And when I say named, not by

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Speaker 2: the police, by a really, in my opinion, reckless reporter.

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Speaker 2: A reporter was out there, someone I know, someone that

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Speaker 2: quite highly. She was out there saying that she had

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Speaker 2: sources in the police who told her that Savannah's sister's

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Speaker 2: husband that would be Nancy's son in law. Nancy's son

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Speaker 2: in law was sup Now, the police did search many homes,

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Speaker 2: including Savannah's sister. Other people in the media, some quite powerful,

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Speaker 2: some with millions of followers, kept pushing that narrative. And

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Speaker 2: he has been living under absolute hell since his name

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Speaker 2: was released. Once again, not by authorities, not by anybody

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Speaker 1: And so this blew up. I'm told it was not.

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Speaker 2: Just devastating for him, Misty, it was devastating for the

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Speaker 2: whole family. Now we know, you know, mister, your family

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Speaker 2: is involved in crime in law law enforcements. Whenever something

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Speaker 2: terrible happens, the police the investigators always look at the

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Speaker 2: people closest to you first, and historically, if you look

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Speaker 2: at the statistics, it's normally not a stranger. It's normally

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Speaker 2: somebody that you know. And so I think that's where

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Speaker 2: this story came came from, that they had to rule

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Speaker 2: the family members out. It picked up a lot a

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Speaker 3: What do you think I mean in this makes me

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Speaker 3: so sad this case, that it's been almost three weeks

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Speaker 3: for some people saying that a family member was involved,

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Speaker 3: And statistics show that the percentage of a woman over

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Speaker 3: it's almost it's almost zero. And so I don't think

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Speaker 3: people could wrap their heads around this concept. But as

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Speaker 3: So that might be why you know the son in law,

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Speaker 3: But obviously we're not one hundred percent sure. And what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've been realistic about this and I

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Speaker 2: for her return. Savannah's video yesterday was just heartbreaking. She

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Speaker 2: that is not how the justice system. That is not

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Speaker 2: Now there is new reporting from Harvey Levin at TMC,

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Speaker 2: who have been receiving more and more ransom notes. Now

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Speaker 2: there's reporting that Nancy might have been abducted and taken

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Speaker 2: to Mexico and more than one person was involved. Just

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Speaker 2: heartbreak in Once again, we're not going to do a

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Speaker 2: poll question today. It doesn't feel right voting when somebody's

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Speaker 2: straight along m America's next top model. My goodness, mister,

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Speaker 2: I sort of forgot about this show. But there was

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Speaker 2: a moment when this was the biggest show on television.

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Speaker 2: It made Tyra Banks a star. We were addicted to it. Now,

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Speaker 2: many years later, we're looking back at the show and

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Speaker 2: not through such rose colored glasses.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously, the documentary dropped on Netflix yesterday and it's

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Speaker 3: all anybody can talk about, including its first winner, Adrian Curry.

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Speaker 3: And she's saying filming the hit series felt like psychological warfare,

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Speaker 3: those makeovers, which we're watching it back then, you just

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Speaker 3: like I remember thinking, oh, I just want to see

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Speaker 3: hate Tyra Banks, calling her a powerhouse. Obviously she created

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Speaker 3: it's how she ends this doc that she would love

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Speaker 3: to bring it back, would be carefully calculated for damage control,

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Speaker 3: which makes me think of the Biggest Loser when they

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Speaker 3: of America's Next Talk Model could it work?

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Speaker 2: I used to work for Tyres. I've known her for

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Speaker 2: The reason she did this interview was not mania. It

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Speaker 2: thought this would be a great way. And it's pretty

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Speaker 2: smart actually to acknowledge the sins of your past. Makes

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Speaker 2: think this is her Mia Kopa, This is her moment.

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Speaker 2: This is her moment where she can acknowledge that it

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Speaker 2: America's Next Couple Top Model.

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Speaker 1: To move forward.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Tyra can host it, though I

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Speaker 2: So I get why Tyra wants to do it. But

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Speaker 2: this show has a lot to answer for looking back,

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Speaker 2: it does not hold up. I watched a few episodes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just even the way she answered some

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyra is authentic though, she's a tough girl, like

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Speaker 2: she's not pretending to be anything.

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Speaker 2: Talking about that Miss Jane, Remember Miss Jay Alexander on

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Speaker 2: he suffered a stroke. I know December twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: But it's not over for me, Miss Jay. We want

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Speaker 2: What was shocking though, is he was asked, has Tyra

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Speaker 2: just not true. It's a job, and it's a stressful job,

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Speaker 2: and it's a job when you're tired, you're under a

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Speaker 2: you're all put on to a show where you've got

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Speaker 2: just not who Tyra is. She didn't remain friends with

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