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Speaker 3: Controversy as ever is swirling around New York City Mayor

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Speaker 3: Zoron Mamdani and actually also a little bit around as

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Speaker 3: ever Ryan Grimm and the bugs over at drop site,

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Speaker 3: who are at the center of this controversy. Ryan Zora

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Speaker 3: Mamdani hosted mahmou Khalil. Zora Mamdani's wife is now having

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Speaker 3: an Instagram autopsy conduct did of her likes in CNN

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Speaker 3: is apparently fueling some of this are covering it seriously.

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Speaker 4: People are very upset.

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Speaker 5: At you, and people are always upset at me.

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Speaker 3: That's true, yeah, and not always without reason, mostly without reason,

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Speaker 3: not always without reason.

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Speaker 5: The haters are swirling.

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Speaker 6: The New York Times and CNN have yes absolutely completely

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Speaker 6: and totally lost their minds. My theory and what we're

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Speaker 6: going to talk about Why this I think matters because

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Speaker 6: it's reshaping the.

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Speaker 5: Way that the kind of news is delivered.

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Speaker 6: My theory on what's going on here is that Marco

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Speaker 6: Rubio I think drove some people completely insane when he

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Speaker 6: said out loud that the reason we attacked Iran right

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Speaker 6: now is because Israel was going to attack.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, and Mike Johnson, and.

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Speaker 6: Mike Johnson said the same thing, and then Tom Cotton

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Speaker 6: went on and he said the same thing. So all

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Speaker 6: of these people have said that Israel is a reason

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Speaker 6: that we went to war when we did, and the

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Speaker 6: public is against this war by twenty plus point. Margins

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Speaker 6: doesn't understand, thinks it will make their lives worse, doesn't

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Speaker 6: understand why we're doing it, thinks it's in Israeli interest

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Speaker 6: and not ours, And so think you gotta gin up

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Speaker 6: a little bit of distractive hatred towards Muslims if you can,

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Speaker 6: and who better to go after than zoron Mom Donnie

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Speaker 6: all of so this this kicked off and if you

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Speaker 6: can throw in mood khalil, oh boy, So this kicked

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Speaker 6: off with a quiet story March sixth published and Jewish

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Speaker 6: Insider we can put up here. I follow their reporting

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Speaker 6: very closely because if you follow it, I'm sure you do,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna know what's coming in the days ahead. And

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Speaker 6: also their coverage of primary campaigns is very good too,

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Speaker 6: Like if when they start flagging a particular candidate as

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Speaker 6: a bad person.

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Speaker 5: Oh, interesting that is they always use the word alarmed.

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Speaker 6: It'll say like apact owners alarmed at so and so,

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Speaker 6: and then within weeks like there are fake APAX super

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Speaker 6: PACs spending money against this person. So it's like a

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Speaker 6: very it's an early warning sign about like where what's

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Speaker 6: going on? So this was an earlier warning sign like, oh,

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Speaker 6: for some reason, rama Duaci, Zoran mam Donnie's wife is

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Speaker 6: going to be the target of a campaign coming forward,

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Speaker 6: And sure enough was so their headline was Zoran Mam

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Speaker 6: Donnie's wife liked social media posts celebrating October seventh attacks.

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Speaker 6: And you squint and you're like wait a minute, because

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Speaker 6: you know, in this world we are. The algorithms are

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Speaker 6: constantly serving us very old stories, and you don't want

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Speaker 6: to be one of those unks that like share something

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Speaker 6: that's like a year and a half.

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Speaker 5: Hold right, yes, like that You're not enough, like unk,

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Speaker 5: this is stories eighteen months old? Why are you sharing this?

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Speaker 3: And you're like, oh god, one of those unks a

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Speaker 3: memoir by Ryan.

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Speaker 5: Such a boomer.

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Speaker 6: So you squint, You're like, oh no, yes, this is

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Speaker 6: about October twenty twenty three, but they are writing it

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Speaker 6: and you look at the actual posts and they're like

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Speaker 6: how dare you use any of the language that is

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Speaker 6: derived from the Holocaust to describe what Israel is doing

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Speaker 3: There are a couple of these posts, I think are

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Speaker 3: we're talking about Instagram likes.

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Speaker 4: It's already but a couple of the posts.

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Speaker 3: There's one where you see a bulldozer breaking down the

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Speaker 3: wall on October seventh, and it says breaking the walls

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Speaker 3: of apartheid and military occupation October seven, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: systemic change for collective liberation. There's another one where it's

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Speaker 3: for wanting it's referring to Palestinians. It says, punished for

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Speaker 3: wanting freedom from apartheid. I understand people might disagree with

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Speaker 3: me on this, and I think it's, you know, again,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about years old Instagram likes at this point.

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Speaker 3: The man was democratically elected the mayor of New York

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Speaker 4: Couple of them.

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Speaker 3: I think when you're on October set, like the one

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Speaker 3: of these Instagram posts was literally on October seventh. Two

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Speaker 3: on October seventh, I think that reflects some poor But

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Speaker 3: I you know that that's an argument that we could have.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 6: Mom Donnie, in a statement to JEWSIH Insider, said, uh,

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Speaker 6: his spokespersion Mayor Mom Donnie has been clear and consistent.

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Speaker 5: Hamas is a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 6: October seventh was a horrific war crime, and he has

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Speaker 6: condemned that violence unequivocally. And and so to be clear,

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Speaker 6: like what she's doing is is different there.

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Speaker 5: What she's saying is that she sees.

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Speaker 6: This as a as resistance to occupation and to apartheid.

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Speaker 3: I just think, to me, it feels like it's very

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Speaker 3: close to celebrating violence, which I would not do if

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Speaker 3: it's the United States in Iran, right like or Israel in.

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Speaker 4: Iran, right.

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Speaker 5: But if you did, you would not be condemned like that.

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Speaker 4: You absolutely completely agree with it, right.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, so this is so let's even let's even say,

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Speaker 6: they are. So did so how how did How did

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Speaker 5: Well, you start seeing the free press pick up.

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Speaker 6: Olivia Reinhold starts doing she went through and I guess

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Speaker 6: found more Instagram likes that she found problematic. So Jake

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Speaker 6: Tapper then decides that he's going to do a segment

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Speaker 6: and he's going to bring on we now know Sam

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Speaker 6: Seedter talked about that it was going to be Olivia

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Speaker 4: Now I would watch that segment.

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Speaker 6: I think that's good for YouTube. I think it's embarrassing

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Speaker 6: for news. So D three, here's Olivia talking about the

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Speaker 5: Here's Olivia Reinhold.

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Speaker 4: I was supposed to.

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Speaker 7: Go on CNN tonight to debate my latest reporting on

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Speaker 7: the instagram likes. Ramaduaji, that is the wife of Mayor

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Speaker 7: z Or on mom Donnie. The debate got canceled, but

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Speaker 7: these are the points I was going to make.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to just get into the extreme nature of

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Speaker 7: the posts that his wife was liking. These were not

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Speaker 7: your average pro Palestine posts. These were way more anti

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Speaker 7: celebrating October seventh, there was another one doubting whether women

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Speaker 7: had really been raped on October seventh, and there was

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Speaker 7: even one that showed Holocaust in version. The next thing

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Speaker 7: I wanted to address was mom Donnie's response that his

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Speaker 7: wife is a quote private person or private citizen, if

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Speaker 7: that is a standard. I've never heard of that before,

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Speaker 7: Because does anyone remember when Justice Alito's wife hung the

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Speaker 7: flag upside down and there were zillion articles about that.

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Speaker 7: What about Milania when she wore that jacket that said

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Speaker 7: I don't really care, do you?

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Speaker 4: That was right.

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Speaker 7: Who you decide to marry is one of the most

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Speaker 7: important decisions you can make. Your husband or your wife

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Speaker 7: So it's fair to say that it says a thing

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Speaker 7: is just does the mayor agree with these sentiments? And

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Speaker 7: he still hasn't answered that.

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Speaker 6: Well, so who agreed with that? None other than Jake

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Speaker 6: Tapper at CNN. So even though his segment was canceled

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Speaker 6: for it was the mayor invited Mahmud Khalil for nith

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Speaker 6: tard dinner and Gracie Manchin saying, Mackmoud Khalila, New Yorker.

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Speaker 6: He belongs to New York. Let's put a put on

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Speaker 6: an Instagram picture and you know this, it marked a

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Speaker 6: the mansion. Right there, gotcha, Now we can do a

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Speaker 6: no we should be surprised at the kind of basement

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Speaker 6: like genuinely appalled, Like wow, let's roll a little bit

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Speaker 6: of this.

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Speaker 5: Jake Tapper.

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Speaker 6: It's Jake Tapper, Jonah Goldberg, and Karen Finny because they

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Speaker 6: gave up on the idea of having somebody like Sam

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Speaker 6: Seeter come on and actually put put up the opposing side.

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Speaker 6: Just three of them, just trashing all the mayor, his

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Speaker 6: wife and mack Mud Khalil.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll a little bit of it with.

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Speaker 8: A high profile Palestinian activist detained and released by ICE.

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Speaker 8: The mayor writes, quote, we marked the one year anniversary

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Speaker 8: of detention.

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Speaker 5: Rama and I were honored.

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Speaker 8: To welcome Mackmood meaning Machmud Khalil, nor and their son

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Speaker 8: Dean to Gracie Manson to break our fast together. It

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Speaker 8: is Ramadan. Machmud is a New Yorker and he belongs

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Speaker 8: to New York City.

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Speaker 5: Unquote.

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Speaker 8: Now you might remember mach Mun Khalil as the anti

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Speaker 8: Israel protester from Columbia University.

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Speaker 10: The organization that he was part of.

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Speaker 8: But the other issue of what he and his group

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Speaker 5: And there you have it.

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Speaker 6: He had to have known it upset people, Like that

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Speaker 6: He invited macmou Khalil to dinner even though he knew

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Speaker 5: That's all they've that's all they've gotten.

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Speaker 3: this is how Marco Rubia would describe it as protesting

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Speaker 4: Bad deported.

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Speaker 3: They're making a different argument, though, they're making an argument

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Speaker 3: and that's actually different from what the trumpet I mean.

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Speaker 4: Of course, there was at.

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Speaker 6: One point Jonah Goldberg called him an outright apologist for terrorism,

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Speaker 3: Khalid unless you have a very broad definition of what

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: They keep getting mad at him because I think on

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Speaker 6: And so so they also so the New York Times,

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Speaker 6: near his official residence in Manhattan. Mayor Zoron Mamdani did

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Speaker 6: not turn to his typical means of communication. There were

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Speaker 6: Mister mam Donnie chose an alternative path two deliberate written statements.

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Speaker 6: So the criticism here, But is that Mam Donnie, after

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Speaker 6: that He didn't do a short form flashy video like

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: I had to read that a couple times before his response,

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Speaker 5: Had to read that a couple of times.

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Speaker 6: You notice you put it put it back up again

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Speaker 6: We know he lives with his wife. Secondly, why what

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Speaker 6: we have no pride.

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Speaker 5: We'll do it.

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Speaker 6: But like the New York Times, they have some like

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Speaker 4: Well you know what this is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's inside baseball when you're I'm sure they

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Speaker 5: That's funny. Well that was it though.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because you guys use subsex, you probably don't

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Speaker 4: There's like a red light, yellow light, green light.

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Speaker 3: And so if you know that people are googling Rama Duagi,

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Speaker 6: That's my conspiracy for sure. They clearly want to get

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Speaker 5: So this same reporter.

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Speaker 6: Then shows up at a press conference and asks mom Donnie,

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Speaker 5: Let's roll D five here.

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Speaker 11: So, given that both of the alleged attackers at Gracie

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Speaker 12: I think, first and foremost, just to make it clear

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Speaker 5: All right, Emily to me.

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Speaker 6: That New York Times same New York Times reporter that

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Speaker 5: Mam Donnie's Muslim. It's all basically the same.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No.

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Speaker 3: They do it with like I'm sure I would have

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Speaker 4: And no, I think it's stupid. It's completely like the

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Speaker 4: We're doing it on behalf of Zara maam Dani is bizarre.

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Speaker 3: It's the predicate of the question is so weird and

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Speaker 8: Emily, you've been talking to Iranians on the ground about

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Speaker 8: the strikes and about Iranian leadership going forward. How do

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Speaker 8: the Iranians you're talking to, how do they see the

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Speaker 8: future unfolding in Iran?

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Speaker 13: Of course, there's a lot of uncertainty, and there's a

446
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Speaker 13: lot of problems with the Internet still being shut off,

447
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Speaker 13: although there is some limited use with Starlink and limited

448
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Speaker 13: other options. But by and large, the responses from Iranians

449
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Speaker 13: that I've spoken to has been overwhelmingly in favor of

450
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Speaker 13: the United States and Israeli action on the ground. They're

451
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Speaker 13: very happy that regime targets, many of them the centers

452
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Speaker 13: of suppression of the Iranian people. Many of these besiege

453
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Speaker 13: IRGC bases and forces are in fact being targeted, so

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Speaker 13: they're happy about that. The main complaint that I'm hearing

455
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Speaker 13: right now on the grind is that they're witnessing personally

456
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Speaker 13: witnessing IERGC troops moving into schools and mosques. I've received

457
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Speaker 13: a plethora of photos from Iranians on the ground of

458
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Speaker 13: exactly that, moving both the force, the manpower and weapons

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Speaker 13: and equipment into school areas. So this is something very concerning.

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Speaker 13: It's not new, it is a tactic of the Islamic

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Speaker 13: regime and their proxy forces, but it's definitely concerning for

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Speaker 13: the future, and of course there is some questioning about

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Speaker 13: what President Trump does intend for the leadership the United

464
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Speaker 13: call from the Iranian people on the ground is that

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Speaker 13: they want the Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi to lead a

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Speaker 13: transition government. After that go to a national referendum. Well,

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Speaker 13: they will choose the system of government. But it's not

468
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Speaker 13: clear yet where Trump stands on that issue. And we

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Speaker 13: heard it in his press conference as well, he prefers

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Speaker 13: someone inside. The problem is it isn't Venezuela. It's not

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Speaker 13: the same system, and you have to deconstruct that system,

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Speaker 13: the IERGC, in order to have genuine change and stability.

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Speaker 6: Interesting stuff, So, Emily, can you imagine if Iranian State

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Speaker 6: TV brought on an Iranian analyst who said he had

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Speaker 6: ties to Iranian intelligence and they asked him, how are

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Speaker 6: the Israeli's feeling about the Iranian bombing campaign on Israel.

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Speaker 5: First of all, you'd.

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Speaker 6: Be like, Okay, this is this is amazing. I'm just

479
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Speaker 6: gonna watch to see what the guy says at this point.

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Speaker 6: And let's say the guy says, all the Israelis that

481
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Speaker 6: I'm talking to, they're so grateful for the Iranian bombing.

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Speaker 6: They hate and net in Yahoo they hate Lakud, They

483
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Speaker 6: look forward to liberation. And they have told us that

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Speaker 6: the IDF is now hiding in synagogues and in schools

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Speaker 6: and in hospitals. So if you start to see news

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Speaker 6: that the Iranians are bombing the civilian infrastructure, just know

487
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Speaker 6: that our sources in Israel have told us that the

488
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Speaker 6: IDF is hiding in the school and sittagogues and the hospitals.

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Speaker 6: And so because that's what they do, they hide among

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Speaker 6: the civilian population. They have their as we know, we

491
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Speaker 6: have their headquarters in Tel Aviv, well underground. Can you

492
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Speaker 6: imagine like a state like I don't I think Iranian

493
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Speaker 6: State TV.

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Speaker 5: Would not even think to run a segment like that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, to have an Iranian spy say that

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Speaker 6: the Israelis love getting bombed. Maybe they would maybe creative,

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Speaker 6: Maybe maybe they would try.

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Speaker 4: That it is creative. You'd have to give them that.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, so according to this Israeli intel linked analysts, ah,

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Speaker 6: the Iranians are very happy.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy how the same playbook just gets reused over

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Speaker 3: and over again. I mean, we were don't like this

503
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Speaker 3: is what was happening in the lead up to the

504
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Speaker 3: Iraq War. It was over a longer period of time,

505
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Speaker 3: but it was like, yeah, and it has real consequences

506
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Speaker 3: because when you talk to people on the right now,

507
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Speaker 3: specifically in the right, how many times you hear people

508
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Speaker 3: citing information like that as one of the reasons that

509
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Speaker 3: makes them more.

510
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Speaker 4: Comfortable, right right, Like it's grateful for it.

511
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Speaker 3: Very real world, very real world consequences. And it's kind

512
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Speaker 3: of gross too, because in a sense, it's exploiting the

513
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Speaker 3: goodwill of a lot of Americans who, whatever you think of,

514
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Speaker 3: you know, the leader's decisions, the decisions leaders have made

515
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Speaker 3: over the last twenty or so years, there are a

516
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Speaker 3: lot of normal Americans who do want to be like

517
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Speaker 3: quote liberators, who have a good reason for wanting to

518
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Speaker 3: see people free whatever whatever. Again, you and I look

519
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: at that much more cynically than a lot of normal

520
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Speaker 3: people do, and do just want to see like people

521
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Speaker 3: around the world be free and happy and whatever. You

522
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Speaker 3: and I are cynical about that for good reasons. Many

523
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: people are cynical about that for good reasons. But it

524
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Speaker 3: makes it even grosser to me because it feels exploitive

525
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Speaker 3: of this like instinct among normal Americans to see people

526
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Speaker 3: be freed from oppression.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gross.

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Speaker 10: Oh.

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Speaker 6: By the way, the New York Times responded when you

530
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Speaker 6: put up D seven speaking of debasing themselves or and

531
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Speaker 6: they were in my replies here on Twitter saying they said,

532
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Speaker 6: this is in response to the Dana Rubinstein article criticizing.

533
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Speaker 5: Mamdani for not doing a TikTok.

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Speaker 6: The Times report quote The Times reporting covered the mayor's

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Speaker 6: comments and their careful, measured nature fairly and accurately, including

536
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Speaker 6: the departure from his more direct and engaged messaging strategy

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Speaker 6: during his election campaign, to which and say like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: do you think that a election campaign and a terrorist

539
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Speaker 6: attack are the same thing? Do you think campaigning and

540
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Speaker 6: governing are the same thing? If you think that those

541
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Speaker 6: if you think campaigning and a terrorist attack are different things,

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Speaker 6: why would it be notable for a politician to have

543
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Speaker 6: different responses to different things. I think that Times is very,

544
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Speaker 6: very confused. So anyway, that's and this kind of all

545
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 6: kicked off and we don't need to really get into this.

546
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Speaker 6: Tapper was coming out after us because.

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Speaker 4: Tapper and lots of others and lots of it was

548
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Speaker 4: a pylon.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, saying over the October seventh sexual assault stuff, which

550
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Speaker 6: is starting to feel like kind of a lab league

551
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 6: moment in some quarters. And what I mean by that

552
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Speaker 6: is that the mainstream media has never basically acknowledged that

553
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Speaker 6: COVID came out.

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Speaker 5: Of the WUHANLU.

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Speaker 6: There have been some articles that have gotten kind of

556
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Speaker 6: close to it, but in general, the kind of mainstream

557
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Speaker 6: media is they've left it at It's probably the batsuit

558
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Speaker 6: that they were slinging in that wet market. Ye, the pangolins, Yeah,

559
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Speaker 6: well whatever, it was some kind of weird animals that

560
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Speaker 6: those you know, crazy hicks out in Muhan eat.

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Speaker 5: So yet if you do a survey, huge majorities say.

562
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Speaker 6: No, no, it came out of the Wuhan Coronavirus lab,

563
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Speaker 6: like we're not stupid, Like that's where we think it

564
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Speaker 6: came out of. I feel like this is becoming a

565
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Speaker 6: similar thing now. There are huge swaths of the public

566
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Speaker 6: that don't have that have not studied this question and

567
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Speaker 6: have not looked closely at it, and they're going to believe. Oh,

568
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Speaker 6: the Guardian and the New York Times have said there

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Speaker 6: was systemic sexual assault, So there was, But a massive

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Speaker 6: number of people have actually looked at it, have read

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Speaker 6: the actual reports, and have noticed that there are not

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Speaker 6: any like victims who have said.

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Speaker 5: That it happened to them.

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Speaker 6: That the all of the claims that there was forensic

575
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Speaker 6: evidence and video evidence and photographs that were made at

576
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Speaker 6: the beginning, those all uh, those all those never materialized,

577
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Speaker 6: like none of none of that actually has emerged.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And and you're left with this United Nations, you know,

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Speaker 6: Permeila patent report that says that there is there are

581
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Speaker 6: quote reasonable grounds to believe that it happened, and that's true.

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Speaker 3: Which you've agreed with, of course, I've been here next

583
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Speaker 3: to you for years.

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Speaker 4: You've always agreed.

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Speaker 5: With that chaos and violence.

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Speaker 6: Of course, that that alone are is reasonable grounds to

587
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 6: believe that something may have happened. That is different than

588
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 6: saying this happened. Now what people will say as well,

589
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 6: it's it's conflict and like people, some people, some of

590
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Speaker 6: the victims were killed perhaps so they can't testify.

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Speaker 4: And Jewish burial customs and the like.

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Speaker 6: And so the point to that real challenge, which is

593
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Speaker 6: which conflicts with the earlier claims that they're was you know,

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Speaker 6: forensic evidence collected.

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Speaker 5: But if you if you look at all of the.

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Speaker 6: Other conflicts where there has been systemic sexual assault, whether

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Speaker 6: it's Rwanda or Mayan mar or Sudan, there are.

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Speaker 5: So many named victims and so much evidence.

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Speaker 6: This would be the first case of systemic sexual assault

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Speaker 6: carried out in a conflict zone that left.

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Speaker 5: No evidence to support it. I mean, I guess there can.

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Speaker 6: Always be a first, but this would be the only

603
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Speaker 6: time that's ever happened. Every time it has happened before,

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Speaker 6: there are there are people who credibly witnessed it, and

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Speaker 6: there are people who were survivors of it, who talk

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Speaker 6: about it, who's and whose names you know you can find,

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Speaker 6: and who speak to human rights groups, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: We we just we don't have that here.

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Speaker 6: And so they also point to this thing called the

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Speaker 6: Dina Project Report, which is jointly a UK.

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Speaker 5: And Israel project. Go look at the Dina Project Report.

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Speaker 6: It spends most of its time arguing that the previous

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Speaker 6: evidentiary standards that have been applied to these types of

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Speaker 6: situations should be thrown out in this case, and that

615
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 6: I witnessed testimony, forensic evidence, etc. Shouldn't be needed and instead,

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Speaker 6: I know this is hard to believe, but go read

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Speaker 6: the report because people link to it all the time.

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Speaker 6: Look at the Dina Project report. This makes our case.

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Speaker 6: Look at the actual Dena Project report. What they argue

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Speaker 6: is that you should be able to use deduction and

621
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Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence to make your case. So according to the

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Speaker 6: Dina Project report, which is the thing constantly being cited

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Speaker 6: by people to establish that it definitively happened, their base

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Speaker 6: their claims on deduction and circumstantial evidence. Maybe they're correct,

625
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Speaker 6: that is different than what they're claiming. So that's that's

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Speaker 6: the point.

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Speaker 4: People.

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Speaker 3: I mean, again, there's this giants straw man that's out there.

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Speaker 3: You are denying any possibility that any of this happened,

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Speaker 3: and it's just never been true at all. You've been

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Speaker 3: patiently going through the evidence as it was present.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just want some evidence. Yeah, So and so the

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Speaker 5: public is not.

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Speaker 6: I think the public that has paid attention to this,

635
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Speaker 6: I think at this point gets it that massive claims

636
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 6: were made that were not supported at the time and

637
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 6: haven't been supported since, and those claims were used to

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Speaker 6: launch a campaign of violence that killed at least seventy

639
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Speaker 6: thousand people and has a miserated population two million in

640
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Speaker 6: pursuit of genocide and ethic closing like that.

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Speaker 5: That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: Well on this point about the public and what people believe,

643
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: how they've reacted the last several years. You all at

644
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Speaker 3: drop site and have partnered with Zatao to produce new

645
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: polling information that should give us some insight into how

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Speaker 3: people are reacting in the first couple of weeks of

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Speaker 3: this war and with Iran.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is really interesting. So yeah, let's get to

649
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Speaker 6: some of that polling. So drop Site and Zatao sponsored

650
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Speaker 6: a poll that was done for Data for Progress. So

651
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Speaker 6: it was out in the field from March sixth to

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Speaker 6: March eighth, and it interviewed more than one thousand, two

653
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Speaker 6: hundred likely voters, so, you know, just standard normal poll

654
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Speaker 6: that the mainstream media likes to conduct. The differences, we

655
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Speaker 6: ask some of the same questions that the mainstream media asks, like.

656
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Speaker 5: You know, do you support oppose the war in Iran?

657
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Speaker 6: But then we also kind of went deeper into how

658
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Speaker 6: people think about Trump's motivations for the war, what role

659
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Speaker 6: is real played, but also what role Epstein might have played.

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Speaker 6: So we asked So the question we asked was when

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Speaker 6: it comes to US military action against Iran, which of

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Speaker 6: the following statements regarding presidents Trump's personal motivations comes close

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Speaker 6: to your view, closer to your view if neither is right.

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Speaker 6: So let's put up E five and so basically, the

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Speaker 6: question is, was Trump motivated at least in part to

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Speaker 6: attack Iran to distract from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Overall,

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Speaker 6: by a fifty two to forty margin, the American people

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Speaker 6: said yes, Epstein was at least in part motivating Trump

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Speaker 6: to attack Iran.

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Speaker 5: Now, Independence mirrored that precisely.

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Speaker 4: There's a question nobody else is going to ask.

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Speaker 5: That's right, nobody else is gonna ask that question.

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Speaker 6: But it turns out a majority of the public agrees

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Speaker 6: with it, and posters would never have asked this if

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Speaker 6: we had to asked them to.

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Speaker 5: So Independence.

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Speaker 6: Completely mirrored the public by a fifty two to forty margin.

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Speaker 6: Independence who really swung the election for Trump? They believe

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Speaker 6: that Trump was motivated at least in part to attack

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Speaker 6: Iran to distract from Epstein. Now, Republicans, as you'll see

681
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Speaker 6: in this chart here, were the least likely to believe

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Speaker 6: that that's not surprising. But still a quarter of Republicans

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00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 6: said yeah, okay, I'll know that that's something with Epstein.

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Speaker 6: For Democrats, it's basically an article of faith. So yeah, well,

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Speaker 6: of course Democrats are eighty one percent to fourteen percent

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Speaker 6: believe that Epstein at least in part played a role

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Speaker 6: in driving his decision making for Emily. How would you

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Speaker 6: have answered that question and were you? Are you surprised

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Speaker 6: at a solid majority fifty two to forty That's we're

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Speaker 6: pretty divided country. That's there's there's still division there, but like,

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Speaker 6: at least among independents and Democrats, there's not.

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Speaker 5: Like people are like, yeah, it was Epstein played a role.

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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at all, But I also would have

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Speaker 3: I'm like one of the few people that just doesn't

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Speaker 3: think this had anything to do with it, because I

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Speaker 3: think the administration really wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Attack a Ron. I think they really wanted to do it.

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Speaker 3: I think Israel gave them a kind of predicate or

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Speaker 3: a precipitating moment, like a kick, that allowed them to

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Speaker 3: do it. But yes, I think maybe not Jade Vanson,

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Speaker 3: Tulci Gabbert, but I do think Donald Trump, Marco Rubio

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Speaker 3: and others in the administration, you know, even though they

703
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Speaker 3: were getting counseled by Dan Kine, maybe not a good idea,

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Speaker 3: but there are people for whom this is a generational project,

705
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Speaker 3: and Israel saying they're going to make a move. I

706
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Speaker 3: just think that gave Republicans an easy excuse, and that's

707
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Speaker 3: what had everything to do with it. It's like the

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Speaker 3: culmination of a generational project since nineteen seventy nine to

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Speaker 3: get back ran m sohere, that's where I'm skeptical of it.

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Speaker 4: That said, it's possible that there.

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Speaker 3: Are layers of blackmail we won't learn about for decades

712
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Speaker 3: that had something to do with it. That actually Trump

713
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Speaker 3: really didn't want to do it. He knew that it

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Speaker 3: was against what he had said about not starting new wars.

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Speaker 3: Dan Kine was selling this bad idea, So it's possible.

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Speaker 3: It's possible there is some mystery to why it happened now,

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Speaker 3: but my strong inclination is that many people have wanted

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Speaker 3: to do this for a long long time and they

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Speaker 3: got an excuse bya Israel So that's how I would

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Speaker 3: have answered. But it's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I think the lack of any coherent rationale.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I.

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Speaker 6: Think fuels people's willingness to believe anything else. Yeah, because like,

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Speaker 6: give me something and I'll believe it. But if you

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Speaker 6: don't give me anything, I'm going to go looking for answers.

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Speaker 6: I think you're probably right that absent Epstein, that this,

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Speaker 6: that Trump does this anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think that in.

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Speaker 6: His mind as he was thinking about whether or not

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Speaker 6: to do it or when to do it, I bet

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Speaker 6: part of it was like, well, it sure will be

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Speaker 6: nice to not have to think about Epstein anymore every

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Speaker 6: single day, all day long. Whether or not that drove

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Speaker 6: the decision making. So that's why I think like, at

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Speaker 6: least in part like, okay, at least in part. Now,

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Speaker 6: according to the Washington Post and the Anti Defamation League,

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Speaker 6: this is an anti Semitic view. We can put up

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Speaker 6: this first element, the first element of from this segment.

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Speaker 6: So it says that the conflict has also sparked a

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Speaker 6: sharp rise and anti Submitic content, according to researchers from

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Speaker 6: the ADL, a Jewish civil rights organization, some of it

742
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Speaker 6: seeking to link Epstein, who was Jewish, to the conflict,

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Speaker 6: reports the Washington Post. And then they quote or In Siegel,

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Speaker 6: who's the ADL's quote, senior vice president of Counter Extremism

745
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Speaker 6: and Intelligence, saying, quote, pretty quickly after the conflict began,

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Speaker 6: this conspiratorial rebranding of Operation Epic Fury into Operation Epstein

747
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Speaker 6: Fury started circulating on social media platforms. Max Blumenthal, by

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Speaker 6: the way, has said that he was the first to

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Speaker 6: float that I don't have any evidence to the contrary,

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Speaker 6: all right, and ADL and then the Washing Post writes

751
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Speaker 6: an ADL report found that the phrase quote Epstein Fury

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Speaker 6: was mentioned more than ninety thousand times by some sixty

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Speaker 6: thousand different accounts on x within the conflicts first three days.

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Speaker 6: The same Post article says that Iran has been pushing

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Speaker 6: this and that the people who believe this are kind

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Speaker 6: of victims of Iranian an Iranian miss or disinformation campaign.

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Speaker 6: I don't know which one it is. It's Iranian styop

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Speaker 6: if that's the case.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Iranians have been intentionally in their propaganda

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Speaker 3: pushing this line over and over.

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Speaker 4: Again, that it's what is it Epstein class. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the iotol was talking about the island before he

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Speaker 3: was killed.

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Speaker 4: The isold was like, ah more will be exposed.

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Speaker 6: This disgusting island or a pedophile island or whatever you

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Speaker 6: called it.

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Speaker 3: And it is like a lot of the ebsain emails

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Speaker 3: that drop site has been reporting on we're likely linked

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Speaker 3: to an Iranian hacking operation. Is definitely part of the

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Speaker 3: Iranian propaganda strategy too.

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Speaker 4: And hey, we gave them that one on a silver platter.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yes, people of the United States.

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Speaker 6: Yes, the the hacker outfit Hondala, which is said to

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Speaker 6: be linked to Iran, we can't confirm it, but we

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Speaker 6: suspect that that's the case, is the one that released

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Speaker 6: a hudbarox emails which kicked off a lot of this stuff.

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Speaker 6: So that's that's an actual that's an actual thing. So

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Speaker 6: let's run through some some more of the of the

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Speaker 6: polling here.

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Speaker 5: So let's do E two.

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Speaker 6: Do you approve of the Trump administration's military action in Iran?

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Speaker 6: Disapproved Democrats shockingly not, you know, ninety two to six

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Speaker 6: against super divided Here Republicans seventy nine nineteen support independence

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Speaker 6: against it sixty to thirty six. So nineteen percent of Republicans,

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Speaker 6: I think, people hopeful for a kind of unified cross

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Speaker 6: party no opposition to war, are sad to see just

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Speaker 6: nineteen percent.

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Speaker 5: What do you make of What do you make of that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad that it's not less.

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Speaker 5: It's true. Nineteen is not nothing.

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Speaker 3: It's not less, right, but among independents that's a brutal

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Speaker 3: number for the administration, sixty percent disapproval and.

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Speaker 5: One of the beginning of the war too.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and one of this is when you're supposed to

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Speaker 6: be a riding high great point.

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Speaker 3: And one of the big questions is whether how much

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Speaker 3: people care? Right, this is something that animates people politically,

799
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Speaker 3: at least to go to the polls or to be

800
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Speaker 3: pissed at Trump. Is it something that they're like, hey,

801
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Speaker 3: I think this is pretty clearly the l like this

802
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Speaker 3: is something that people will care about.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that jumps out to me is that

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Speaker 3: number of Democrats only six percent approval. I wish we

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Speaker 3: could do a poll of Senate Democrats.

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Speaker 4: I always wish we could.

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Speaker 5: Do that secoll.

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Speaker 3: Yes, anonymous, Yes, a secret pool of Senate Democrats. It's

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Speaker 3: the same thing with Senate Republicans in Ukraine, right, Like,

811
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Speaker 3: if you could pull Republican voters and then pull Republican senators,

812
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Speaker 3: if you could pull Democratic voters and then pull Democratic senators,

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Speaker 3: I would love to see the discrepancy.

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Speaker 6: Other than Spatterman. They won't admit it, right, but yes,

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Speaker 6: So let's do E three. This is the punishment that

816
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Speaker 6: candidates would take if they supported it. So are you

817
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Speaker 6: more or less likely to vote for a twenty twenty

818
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Speaker 6: eight presidential candidate who supports war with Iran if you're

819
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Speaker 6: a Democratic primary voter said eighty three percent less likely.

820
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Speaker 5: Independence said sixty one percent.

821
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Speaker 6: Less likely to vote for somebody who supports the war

822
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Speaker 6: with Iran, whereas Republicans fifty nine percent more likely. Now, Democrats,

823
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Speaker 6: there basically aren't to any that are other than Fetterman

824
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 6: and like four Gouton's over in the House who are

825
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 6: publicly supporting the war. But it's a spectrum. You know,

826
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Speaker 6: there's a lot of a lot of Democrats are like

827
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Speaker 6: they're leading with Iran can never have a nuclear program.

828
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Speaker 6: And then they're saying and we need hearings to be

829
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Speaker 6: to have the rationale like explained to us, and we

830
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Speaker 6: need to investigate all of these things.

831
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Speaker 5: It's like, well, wait a minute, let's end the war first.

832
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, there aren't a whole lot of Democrats who

833
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 6: are just like, it's time to end the war, Like immediately,

834
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Speaker 6: the war's bad, stop it.

835
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Speaker 5: We can do hearings and investigations later, that's great.

836
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Speaker 6: But for now, it is to stop the killing and

837
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Speaker 6: stop the disruption of the entire global economy.

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Speaker 5: How's that going to affect those Republican primaries.

839
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Speaker 3: Well, so that's a really good question to ask in

840
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Speaker 3: the poll because it does get to what we were

841
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Speaker 3: just talking about, how much does this matter?

842
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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 3: Is it one of those things where it's like I

844
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 3: disagree with Trump, where I disagree with the Republican Party,

845
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Speaker 3: but I don't really it's not at the high high

846
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Speaker 3: end of my priority list, And I think this shows

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Speaker 3: that for a lot of people it does actually affect

848
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Speaker 3: voting patterns. Twenty percent for Republicans, so similar to the

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Speaker 3: nineteen percent in the prior question about disagreeing or disagreeing Trump,

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Speaker 3: what we've seen has record high levels of support from

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Speaker 3: Republican voters, but they're down from his previous records, so

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Speaker 3: hemorrhaging some like I think it is around ten percent.

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Speaker 3: Harrienton has gone through these numbers over the last year.

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Speaker 3: That's actually interesting because that's a question of whether the

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Speaker 3: MAGA core of strong, strong supporters, enthusiastic supporters are disappointed

856
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Speaker 3: by the president, and that gets to whether people are

857
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Speaker 3: in the county Republican office, phone banking, putting up signs,

858
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 3: small dollar donors, these types of things. So the twenty

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Speaker 3: percent number is it actually really isn't nothing. It's a

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Speaker 3: clear your majority, as is the case with most of

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Speaker 3: what Trump does. But it's not nothing in terms of

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00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: like the political ramifications. I bet if you asked that

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00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: question among Republicans about George W. Bush in April two

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Speaker 3: thousand and three, wherever this would have been higher support

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Speaker 3: among Republicans, I bet that number wouldn't have been twenty percent.

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Speaker 3: I bet it would have been like Democrats against four.

867
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Speaker 3: So not nothing, but a good gauge of how much

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Speaker 3: this matters for independence and Democrats.

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Speaker 6: Now E four is a very interesting question when it

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Speaker 6: comes to US military actions. Run which of the following

871
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Speaker 6: statements regarding President Trump's personal motivations comes closer to your

872
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 6: view even if another Neither is exactly right. So we asked,

873
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Speaker 6: is Trump pursuing this war more for American interests or

874
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Speaker 6: Israeli interests? I guess it looks like we don't have

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Speaker 6: the overall on there. But the overall was fifty percent

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00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 6: said American interests, forty one percent said Israeli interests, So

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Speaker 6: a majority will give them that. Now, among independents, fifty

878
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 6: percent said it was Israeli interests and just forty four

879
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 6: percent said American interests. So so two points of this,

880
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 6: We'll give them this. A majority of the public thinks

881
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 6: that Trump went to war for American interests, but just

882
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 6: fifty percent. There has never an American history been a

883
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 6: war of any size, let alone this size that a

884
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 6: president went into and forty one percent of the public

885
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 6: thinks he did it for a foreign country that has

886
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 6: never happened, like never, like not even close, like.

887
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 5: Iraq war.

888
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 6: People thought that was oil companies. Yeah, maybe you can

889
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 6: get forty percent saying.

890
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: Well, like five years in people or two years in

891
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: it is probably more accurate.

892
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 4: Right, it was becoming hot on.

893
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Vietnam, American interests rolling back Communist like for

894
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 6: against the war. You didn't think that we were doing

895
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Speaker 6: it for like Sri Lanka.

896
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: Now we were the country that was pushing proxies into

897
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Speaker 3: these types of wars. Yeah, and so which, by the way,

898
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: I just this is my position, Like I actually again

899
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Speaker 3: on this question, would have disagreed with the line that

900
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Speaker 3: it was primarily is really interest because my point is

901
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Speaker 3: there are a lot of people interests, yes, and there

902
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Speaker 3: are a lot of people in the American government who

903
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: are saying Israeli interests and American interests are absolutely intertwined.

904
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Speaker 3: It's the Lindsay Graham line, and the Lindsay Grahams won

905
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: this argument that Mike Huckabees won, this argument that the

906
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: American and Israeli interests are one and the same. And

907
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Speaker 3: or they'll say it's American interest visav China. And they

908
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: really convinced themselves, they really believe that at the end

909
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: of the day, they just wanted to bomb run That's

910
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Speaker 3: what they wanted to do.

911
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 5: So we can put up E five. This is a

912
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: related question.

913
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Speaker 6: I was curious how much people were hearing about the

914
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Speaker 6: attack on the Iran girls school that happened at the

915
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Speaker 6: very early hours of the war.

916
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: So the question here is have you read, seen, or

917
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: heard about the attacks on a girl school in Iran

918
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: last weekend? Democrats came in at seventy seven percent yes,

919
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: Republicans sixty percent yes, Independence sixty six percent yes. So

920
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Speaker 3: across the board, most people in those three cohorts have

921
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Speaker 3: heard about the attack on the girls school in Iran

922
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Speaker 3: last weekend only yeah, So only a quarter of Democrats hadn't.

923
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Speaker 3: Forty percent of Republicans thirty four percent of independence. This

924
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Speaker 3: was a super smart question to ask Ryan because it

925
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Speaker 3: gets to the media silos that people are in, and

926
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Speaker 3: no matter what media silo we were in, on average

927
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Speaker 3: you had heard about this. It probably gets to why

928
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Speaker 3: Senator John Kennedy on Fox News yesterday came out and

929
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Speaker 3: said it was horrible. And the right thing to do

930
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Speaker 3: is is if it was in the United States, say

931
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Speaker 3: it was horrible.

932
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Speaker 6: And I think that this Paul wrapped up on Sunday night.

933
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Speaker 6: So and there's been a lot more news yes Monday, Tuesday,

934
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Speaker 6: and Wednesday on this strike, so the number might go up.

935
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Speaker 6: But what thirty two percent did say they'd heard nothing

936
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Speaker 6: at all about it, So that's so at least one

937
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Speaker 6: in three people. And then if you combine nothing at

938
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Speaker 6: all or a little then that got you to fifty

939
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Speaker 6: five percent. So then they then we asked, and so

940
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Speaker 6: again this is through Sunday night for a lot of

941
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Speaker 6: the reporting emerged that has basically definitively concluded that it

942
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Speaker 6: was the United States that did this. We asked, if

943
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Speaker 6: you have heard about it, who do you think was

944
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 6: responsible for this? Either the US, the US and Israel

945
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 6: combined Israel or was it Iran?

946
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Speaker 5: And twenty four percent of people thought it was Iran.

947
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Speaker 6: The rest basically said it was either the US center

948
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Speaker 6: ISRAELI together or Israel or.

949
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Speaker 5: Or the United States by itself.

950
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Speaker 6: Republicans were the only ones kind of divided on this question.

951
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Speaker 6: So forty five percent of Republicans said it was Iran

952
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: that attacked its own girls school, which is an idea

953
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 6: that has been pushed kind without evidence, but at least

954
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 6: it When I see stuff like that, I'm like, well,

955
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Speaker 6: at least they're not defending attacking the girls school, or

956
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Speaker 6: at least saying somebody that it wasn't already fault. You know,

957
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Speaker 6: they're lying about it, but I think some people honestly

958
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 6: believe it. So forty five percent that it was Iran.

959
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 6: Another forty five percent said it was the US and

960
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Speaker 6: or Israel, and then ten percent of Republicans said they

961
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Speaker 6: didn't know. Everybody else by an overwhelm majority thinks it

962
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Speaker 6: was the US and or.

963
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 5: Israel.

964
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Speaker 6: And that's before we got footage of the Tomahawk missile

965
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Speaker 6: like hitting an hiergy see base next to it, and

966
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 6: you can see the school smoking. So like to see

967
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 6: that footage, you'd have to believe that Iran hit the

968
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Speaker 6: school and then moments later a US Tomahawk missiles hit

969
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Speaker 6: the base right next to it, and then the schools

970
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 6: hitting again, completely implausible. Also, if you look at the timeline,

971
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 6: this is immediately as the war started and Iran took

972
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 6: a little while to respond, so iron wasn't even shooting yet.

973
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 6: So just on a just logical basis, it's like that

974
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 6: who hit it, well, the people who were shooting.

975
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Speaker 3: It's a great question to ask. I mean, this is

976
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Speaker 3: why independent media is important. Polling is one of those

977
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: Pulling is one of the biggest I think places in

978
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: news gathering where just having this idea of neutrality that

979
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: is actually a bias in one direction or the other,

980
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: or having the pretense of neutrality creates conventional wisdom. Like

981
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: it's about the manufacturing of conventional wisdom. Pulling so often

982
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: just builds and builds in one direction. And if you

983
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 3: don't ask other questions, you don't get answers to those

984
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: types of questions. You don't test, you don't gauge the

985
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: public on conversations the public may be having that you're

986
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: not having in your newsroom, or that you think are

987
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: crazy and not worth asking about.

988
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 4: So this was a great, great poll.

989
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 6: And there's one other that we could talk about, because

990
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 6: this didn't all this wasn't all designed just to like

991
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 6: flatter my own preconceived notions.

992
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 5: We're genuinely curious about this stuff.

993
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 6: And so we asked a question about ballistic missiles because

994
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 6: ballistic Iron's ballistic missile stockpile has become like the new

995
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 6: rationale that the US and Israel are using for why

996
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 6: this war needs to be carried on.

997
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 5: I think I messed up the of this a little bit,

998
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: and I'll tell you why.

999
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 6: So they say, how important is it to you that

1000
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 6: Iran be prevented from possessing ballistic missiles, which are long

1001
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 6: range missiles capable of reaching countries like Israel. So that's

1002
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 6: how we phrased the question. I think prevented was the

1003
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 6: wrong word to use there. I should have said, how

1004
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 6: important is it to you that the that the US

1005
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 6: and Israel dismantle Iran's missile program. But because of the

1006
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 6: way we were to you get just a kind of

1007
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 6: neutral perspective from the American people about whether or not

1008
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 6: they want.

1009
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 5: Iran to be able to possess ballistic missiles.

1010
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 6: And they absolutely do not, And so for fifty four

1011
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 6: percent of all Americans, it's very important that Iran be

1012
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 6: prevented from having ballistic missiles, which maybe if Trump, if

1013
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 6: you're watching this, just say you blew up the ballistic

1014
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: missile program and call it a day. Another twenty nine

1015
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 6: percent say it's somewhat important. So that means by an

1016
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 6: eighty three to thirteen margin, the American people think it's

1017
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 6: important that Iran be prevented from possessing ballistic missiles. Now,

1018
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 6: because I get to write the poll, I put in

1019
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 6: a question that said Iran should be allowed to have

1020
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 6: ballistic missiles because countries have a right to defend themselves.

1021
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 5: Give people that option.

1022
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 6: Only thirteen percent picked that this is so that's fourteen

1023
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 6: percent said it's not a concern of the United States.

1024
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 6: Two thirds in the separate question said they should be prevented.

1025
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: That's really, really, really interesting because it shows consistency among

1026
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 3: the people who responding to the questions, and it shows

1027
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: that Trump had or should have some built in consistency

1028
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: or built in sympathy here among the public if he

1029
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: made a coherent, logical, honest case for war or for

1030
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: a deal that disarmed Iran, I'm not saying that's possible,

1031
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: but where you don't only have to disarm people of

1032
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: their ballistic missiles through military action hypothetically, of course, I

1033
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: think that would.

1034
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: Probably be the case. For the run, you have to

1035
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 4: do it by force.

1036
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: That shows though Trump has friendly sentiments among a big

1037
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: chunk of the public, that still overall is unhappy with

1038
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: what's happened over the last ten days.

1039
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: So that's a I.

1040
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: Think it's a for the administration's purposes, for the political purposes,

1041
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: and for the moral purposes of people making these decisions.

1042
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 3: That's a very i think interesting contrast between the question

1043
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: of people agreeing with what's happened and people wanting Iran

1044
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: to have ballistic missiles.

1045
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1046
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 6: One other interesting detail, when we added in net and Yahoo,

1047
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 6: the numbers got even worse for Trump rather than just

1048
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 6: saying Israel. So we said, when it comes to US

1049
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 6: military action against Iran, which of the following statements regarding

1050
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 6: Trump's personal motivations comes closer to your view? One Trump

1051
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 6: is more responsive to the interests of the American people

1052
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 6: than any foreign interests.

1053
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 5: Like those of Israel.

1054
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 6: Or Two, President Trump is more responsive to the interests

1055
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 6: of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Yahoo than the interests of

1056
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 6: the American people.

1057
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 5: That completely split public. So whereas it was fifty forty.

1058
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 6: One on the earlier one that we were talking about,

1059
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 6: this was forty seven forty six. So forty six percent

1060
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 6: of the public said Trump is more responsive to net

1061
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 6: Yahoo than to the American people, whereas forty seven percent

1062
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 6: said no, no, no, Trump is Trump's more America first

1063
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 6: than he is Net and Yahoo. Seventeen percent of Republicans

1064
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 6: said he's more responsive to net Yahoo Independence, who's fifty

1065
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 6: forty four. So so among independents, which swung the election

1066
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 6: for Trump, they feel like he's more responsive to net

1067
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 6: Yahoo than he is to the American public.

1068
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 4: Fascinating, it's crazy.

1069
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, get yourself together, guys.

1070
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, well, great pool. This is such

1071
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: a good Yeah. Yes, and I love it when India

1072
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: outlets do polling, and.

1073
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 6: Breaking Point should do some of that if you want,

1074
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 6: you know, become a premium primer.

1075
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: So we got the money to do it.

1076
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, polling, shocking focus groups.

1077
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 6: But we can put some these polls out in the

1078
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 6: field too, BP three twenty six. Breakingpoints dot com is

1079
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 6: the one month free if you want to support the show,

1080
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: and so that we can put our own polls out there,

1081
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 6: and also you can you can also then suggest questions

1082
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 6: like if you have any questions that you should poll,

1083
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 6: put them down in the comment section, and you know,

1084
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 6: we're looking for ideas.

1085
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: Let's move on to the focus group and meet in

1086
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: podcast space or media space because of course Bill Maher

1087
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan have wade in.

1088
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 4: So let's get to it.

1089
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: Ryan, Let's start now with this clip of Joe Rogan

1090
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,959
Speaker 3: on a recent show. He was actually with Michael Schellenberger

1091
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 3: in conversation this just dropped yesterday, react into the war

1092
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 3: in Iran F one.

1093
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Speaker 14: What just seems so insane based on what he ran on.

1094
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 14: I mean, this is why a lot of people feel betrayed. Right,

1095
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 14: He ran on no more wars and these stupid senseless wars,

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Speaker 14: and then we have one that we can't even really

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Speaker 14: clearly define why we did it.

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Speaker 15: Well, but he said he's against endless wars.

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Speaker 14: Well, endless, they're all endless. Well, if we heard Rumsfeld

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Speaker 14: talk about Iraq when it first happened, they were talking

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Speaker 14: about like six weeks.

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Speaker 15: Six weeks, oh yeah, six weeks, yeah, but they put

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Speaker 15: that was ground force and I know that they've not

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Speaker 15: ruled that out. For me, that would be they have

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Speaker 15: they have not.

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Speaker 4: I thought you said that, and now, yeah.

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Speaker 15: This guy is just acting. You know, he says he's

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Speaker 15: not getting where they want to get in the negotiations

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Speaker 15: with the Iranians, so he says, we have some leverage

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Speaker 15: over you, and we're going to use it.

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Speaker 14: So clearly Israel wanted this.

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Speaker 15: Israel has its own motivations, I think, yeah, but I

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Speaker 15: don't think I think it's not quite accurate to say that.

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Speaker 15: I just don't think. I think all the evidence shows

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Speaker 15: that Trump is his own man, and he is the president,

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Speaker 15: and like literally he couldn't even give back, he couldn't

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Speaker 15: even give elon the battery subsidy that he wanted.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, It's like I get that, I've never.

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Speaker 5: Seen a policy.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I've never seen a politician act that independently.

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Speaker 15: That's I mean, a president act that independently. So I'm

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Speaker 15: skeptical of I mean, I think that I think that

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Speaker 15: Rubio was sort of like, well, they were going to attack,

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Speaker 15: and so we had to. You know, there's some of that,

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Speaker 15: But I just think Trump's doing what he wants to do,

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Speaker 15: and we should.

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Speaker 14: You really think it's that simple. Trump's doing what he

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Speaker 14: wants to do. Yes, yes, you don't think people are

1130
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Speaker 14: influencing him because there's a lot of warhawks around him, right,

1131
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Speaker 14: there's a lot of people that want.

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Speaker 15: To I mean, who's in there, but then Tucker was

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Speaker 15: in there a bunch. But do you think in the

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Speaker 15: case against.

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Speaker 14: Tucker has the kind of influence that Net and Yahoo has.

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I guess if you just base it

1137
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Speaker 15: on the outcome, then the answer is no.

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Speaker 14: No.

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Speaker 15: But that's what I'm saying. I just think he listens

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Speaker 15: to everybody. But I just don't think it's Russians aren't

1141
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Speaker 15: behind him really, I mean, Trump is look what he's

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Speaker 15: been through.

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Speaker 3: For the record, Tucker has said in his conversations with Trump,

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Speaker 3: I think he said this in his recent episode with

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Speaker 3: Sager that he believes Trump did not want to do

1146
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Speaker 3: this or I mean the.

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Speaker 4: Alternative to that.

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Speaker 3: Tucker knows Donald Trump much better than I do. But

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Speaker 3: it's possible Trump, when he's in conversations with people, is

1150
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Speaker 3: one of those guys who's seeing it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's a business dude.

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Speaker 3: He's pragmatist more than he's an ideologue and he sort

1153
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: of makes you feel like he agrees with you, So

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Speaker 3: there are different ways to.

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Speaker 5: That's not the impression I get.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that Trump was worried about bombing iron

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Speaker 3: I mean, I believe that Tucker is accurately representing their

1159
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 3: conversations that Trump was indicating he did not want to

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Speaker 3: be dragged into the war. But I don't know that

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Speaker 3: I necessarily agree that he was hesitant to.

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Speaker 6: Strike we as we talked about in the last segment,

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Speaker 6: the public disagrees with that that idea. The public thinks

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Speaker 6: that he is heavily influenced by Israel and particularly by

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01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 6: net Yaho. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe he's just doing whatever

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01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 6: he wants to do. Rogan correct me if I'm wrong,

1167
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 6: because I don't follow this space just as closely as

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Speaker 6: some people do. He's kind of held on Trump a

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Speaker 6: little longer than the rest of the podcast, Bros.

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Speaker 5: Is that right or No?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he was pretty early to but he's

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Speaker 3: friendly with Elon, so the dough stuff didn't dissuade him.

1174
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: But around summertime, I think he was pretty openly starting

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Speaker 3: to question the immigration stuff.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, yeah, because he was like, what, like

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Speaker 5: what this is not? This is not how I envisioned

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Speaker 5: this happening right right.

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Speaker 3: And he's friendly with Bobby Kennedy, so he's been I

1180
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: think Kenny was just back on the show Elon was.

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Speaker 3: They've both been on the show in the last couple

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Speaker 3: of months, so I guess he's hung onto it in

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Speaker 3: that sense. I'm sure back in June he was critical

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01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: of what happened in Iran too, So I think he's

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01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: clung on maybe with some things, or he's hung on

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01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 3: some things for a while, but overall, he's definitely been

1187
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: willing to be a bit critical from probably the I

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 3: don't know last summer starting on would be my guest,

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: but uh, you know he's gonna I'm sure he's going

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Speaker 3: to support Kennedy for the most part and some of

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01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 3: those other agenda items in the administration. Bill Maher is

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Speaker 3: a guy who's apparently on the left, not even like

1193
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: in the podbro world.

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Speaker 4: He's all in.

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01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: That doesn't really surprise anyone, I bet, but let's roll

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Speaker 3: f to here.

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Speaker 10: Also this week war did you hear about that thing?

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Speaker 10: And we bombed around and it's going on now, have

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Speaker 10: you expected me to say I hate it. I don't. Sorry,

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 10: when he puts boots on the ground, yeah, that I'll

1201
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 10: hate it. Now. I know too many happy Iranian Americans. Sorry,

1202
01:04:54,200 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 10: h you cannot name one horrible thing that has happened

1203
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 10: in the Middle East in the last fifty years and

1204
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 10: not connected to this fascist theocracy. They're like six degrees

1205
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 10: of they don't eat bacon, and it's popular. I mean,

1206
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 10: Ahranians all over the world are doing the Trump dance.

1207
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 10: Have you seen that? Though? I just want to read

1208
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 10: at what I said in the monologue. I'm cautiously optimistic.

1209
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 10: Unless he puts boots on the ground, then he's going

1210
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 10: to lose me. We'll see for now. I just don't

1211
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 10: get what liberals don't get about liberation. I see so

1212
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Speaker 10: much happiness. I see it in Venezuela, I see it

1213
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Speaker 10: here in Iran. Could we skip the part where we

1214
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 10: talk about, Oh, they had so many different reasons for

1215
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 10: going to war, regime change, and we got to get

1216
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 10: rid of the nukes, and they were supporters of terrorism,

1217
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 10: it's all of it. How about this, This was a

1218
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 10: fascist theocracy and nothing in the Middle East was ever

1219
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 10: going to get better. Well, they were still there fucking everything.

1220
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Speaker 3: Up, the liberation from most of egg What do liberals

1221
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 3: not get about that?

1222
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Speaker 5: Bill Maher lose his show for criticizing the invasion.

1223
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 3: Of Iraq politically correct. I thought, so, yeah, that's my impression.

1224
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 5: So what did he not get about liberation? Then? Like,

1225
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 5: what is what's going on with this guy?

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 4: Well, he's saying ground troops, I guess is his red line?

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Speaker 5: So okay, So what he was saying is George W.

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Speaker 6: Bush should have just done shocking off for months and

1229
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 6: bombed the hell out of Iraq and then he would

1230
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 6: have been fine with it. And then who's and then

1231
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 6: like Oude Hussein or kuse Whusseining I guess whichever one

1232
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 6: rises the top becomes president of Iraq and he's cool

1233
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 6: with that.

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Speaker 4: You just keep mowing the lawn.

1235
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Speaker 5: And then yeah, as they did in the nineties.

1236
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Speaker 3: And as they're talking about maybe the strategy going forward

1237
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Speaker 3: with Iran.

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Speaker 6: Now which guy clearly he I mean, the guy just

1239
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 6: he hates religion. He hates Islam in particular, hates all

1240
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 6: religion but Islam in particular, and he sees them as

1241
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 6: the way to sees it. Going after Irn is like

1242
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 6: fulfilling that itch that he's got.

1243
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 4: So this was the mar comment.

1244
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 3: This was in looks like September two thousand and six,

1245
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 3: days after he said quote, we have been the cowards

1246
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 3: lobbying cruise missiles. This was to Dnesta shoot Desuza lobbing

1247
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly staying

1248
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: in the airplane when it hits the building.

1249
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Speaker 4: Say what you want about it, it's not cowardly.

1250
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Speaker 3: That is one of the most famous moments in Phil

1251
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: Maher's career, as my memories.

1252
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Speaker 5: That's what he got fired for. That's right.

1253
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: Well, they it was canceled like months later, and he

1254
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: assumed that it was pegged.

1255
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Speaker 4: That incident, which probably I.

1256
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Speaker 6: Remember that it was a it's hard to describe the

1257
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 6: what the what the like feeling in the air was

1258
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 6: at the time, at that time in two thousand, late

1259
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Speaker 6: two thousand and one, early two thousand and two, that

1260
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Speaker 6: you could you could not say anything like that, even

1261
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 6: though you look back now you're like, well, just that's

1262
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Speaker 6: just a that's just a normal that's a logical thing

1263
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Speaker 6: to say, Like you can disagree with what they did,

1264
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Speaker 6: but when it comes to physical courage, like well, uh,

1265
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 6: obviously takes physical courage to carry out any physical attack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can say that.

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Speaker 6: But you don't people have Yeah, and I think people

1268
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Speaker 6: confuse the word courage with valor and morality. Yeah that

1269
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 6: if you say something is courageous, that it's necessarily good,

1270
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Speaker 6: but you can be courageous and terrible.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think he would have gotten canceled no matter what.

1273
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Speaker 3: But I don't think he necessarily needed to say that

1274
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Speaker 3: the US was cowardly six days after nine to eleven.

1275
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Speaker 4: That probably is not.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's true.

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Speaker 3: You can say it's it's courageous for like terrorists physically

1278
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Speaker 3: courageous to your point mind, but if you couple that

1279
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Speaker 3: with the US is cowardly, that's six days after nine

1280
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Speaker 3: to eleven, where there was an enormous amount of bravery.

1281
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Speaker 6: Right, but he's talking about the people that cruise missiles

1282
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Speaker 6: from two thousand miles away.

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Speaker 4: I know, but it's tonally that's different for people who

1284
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Speaker 4: are a grieving that he wasn't reading the room, really

1285
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Speaker 4: wasn't read the room.

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Speaker 5: The room was very very rough at that moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, like we probably disagree on this, I

1289
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,480
Speaker 3: don't think that's necessarily unreasonable when you had American.

1290
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Speaker 4: Bravery on full display.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and American bravery and full display in New

1292
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Speaker 3: York City, and you know the flight ninety three around

1293
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Speaker 3: the country.

1294
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Speaker 4: Yeah. So anyway, that's Bill Maher now.

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01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty six, Bill Maher saying, I'm seeing too many

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Speaker 3: happierr onions feeling liberated, and I don't understand.

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Speaker 6: Why the left doesn't support Yeah, the shots of Sunset

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Speaker 6: are very excited.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we discussed this.

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Speaker 3: You haven't watched shots of Sunset years, nor have I,

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Speaker 3: but they are. I did see Reza from Shots of.

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Speaker 5: Sunset was excited at least shocking thing ever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do it for us today's edition.

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Speaker 4: But of course we're ending on a Bravo note. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what else we would do.

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Speaker 3: Today's edition of Breaking Points remember this year last week

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Speaker 3: to get on, get in on that free trial code

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Speaker 3: BP free twenty six.

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Speaker 4: That is a free month of the show.

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Speaker 3: You get the show the way that we think it's

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Speaker 3: really meant to be watched, which is in one fell, sweet,

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Speaker 3: one chunk, no commercial breaks, right in your inbox, nice

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Speaker 3: and early. The clips come out, of course later, but

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Speaker 3: you also get the second half of the Friday show

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Speaker 3: every week.

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Speaker 4: That is totally paywall.

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Speaker 3: That's where we do amas and do get access to

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Speaker 3: more amas and the like. So please do go ahead,

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Speaker 3: support the journalism that we're doing here at breaking points.

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Speaker 3: Get a free month trial if you like it, stick around.

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Speaker 3: We're so excited to have so many new folks because

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Speaker 3: it's an important time for independent media.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's indeed. All right, we'll see you soon.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good