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Speaker 2: Water or it would be a little break in there,

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Speaker 3: So I'm kind of straight cramped up? Yah, cramped up,

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Speaker 4: Any other guys that you'll look to hold with the

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Speaker 5: I know we've talked about Elie being sort of a

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Speaker 5: Yeah? That's good. Tracy started out his rookie year like

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Speaker 5: yards per carry, the expected yards? Is that just was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's had a good off season program. You

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Speaker 2: Come out here. He's he's doing a nice job right now.

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Speaker 5: Do you see him as that the everyday back term

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Speaker 5: doesn't really exist. Every down and back term doesn't really

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I like our running back room, so we have

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Speaker 1: You've talked a bunch of times, certainly with Russ about communication. Yeah, community, communicating,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously that's important on defense too. There's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the safety position, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: Holland has done a very good job since he's been here.

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Speaker 2: He's played a lot of football.

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Speaker 3: But he's he's very intelligent, and I think him and

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Speaker 1: Is that is that when you come to a new team.

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Speaker 3: But he's he's pretty he's pretty sharp. He's played a

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Speaker 3: the way they communicate with one another, most importantly being

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Speaker 3: That area of the field usually costs you pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So he's he's been a good addition. And is that

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Speaker 2: Would you put together the roster of the deposition at safety?

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Speaker 6: Do you think about pairing guys together because there you know,

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Speaker 6: there are two of them and they have to work

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Speaker 2: What are calling a devot do for that entire secondary?

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Speaker 2: But veteran players that we thought were good players, so

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Speaker 2: duels seem to really stand out. I guess day and

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of good plays, and I saw

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Speaker 3: Elik Abdul, but we haven't had pads on yet, so

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Speaker 3: that's stay too of practice. You make sure that obviously

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Speaker 3: We see him running within, we see him running with

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Speaker 6: Obviously it benefits him at times to play excite some

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Speaker 3: I mean he's he's he's doing a variety of things

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Speaker 3: Well it's only the second day, but THEO is a

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Speaker 4: Dave, You're gonna say, you you've you know, told us

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Speaker 3: So you reward and give positive reinforcement for good plays

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Speaker 2: And again, I I think whether it's you guys.

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Speaker 3: You you just you keep continuing to you know, here's

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Speaker 3: You just you coach, and you teach and continue to coach,

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Speaker 3: continue to teach, and showed good stuff. You show things

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Speaker 5: The world saw when you hired Shane Bowen how important

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Speaker 2: You actually said to him the who did the world

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so can you fix our run defense? Is

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Speaker 2: So everybody's got to be better in regards of that.

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Speaker 3: there was too many explosive plays down the field, whether

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Speaker 3: that's a run fit, getting off a block, making a tackle.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we got to play better team football

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Speaker 3: to help out team run defense. M m

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Speaker 5: M mmmmm mm hmm