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Speaker 1: the Great Queer Life and the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, we're talking Cowboys football here with you guys
Speaker 1: for about an hour and a lot of things to
Speaker 1: get into today. We're going to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about some some players that are coming up on their
Speaker 1: contracts will be expired ring here in the next several
Speaker 1: week couple weeks, and what the Cowboys should maybe do
Speaker 1: around some of those players that. In the first segment,
Speaker 1: second segment, we're actually going to spend a little time
Speaker 1: going through a very interesting article that Nick wrote about
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, talk about some of his takeaways from
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, See if Dave and Amber think they're
Speaker 1: as interesting as I do. And then in the final segment,
Speaker 1: we will get to some phone calls, so you guys
Speaker 1: can call us eight eight eight eight five five two
Speaker 1: two nine seven. We'll take questions, we'll take comments, whatever
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Speaker 1: we will be here for you and have those conversations.
Speaker 1: How's everybody doing today, great, We're good. Yeah? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys enjoying offseason? Love it? Nick? No, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you know it's offseason. This is the first time it's
Speaker 1: a tough offseason, though this is tougher than usual. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say this was the first time
Speaker 1: that I was actually kind of bummed and upset. Like
Speaker 1: usually I'm like, oh, yes, offseason, I'm ready to take
Speaker 1: a break or whatever. But this was the first time
Speaker 1: of me seating all my college watching the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and being like what the heck like, which i mean
Speaker 1: not that the Cowboys deserved to be there, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like we should have been there making this happen. I
Speaker 1: should be in Miami right now, and I was not there.
Speaker 1: Should be in Miami. Two years ago the super was
Speaker 1: in Super Bowls in Minneapolis. I doubt she was out
Speaker 1: of boy, should be in Miami living it up and
Speaker 1: covering the Cowboys who are about the battle. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was bummed. I know, I don't like this was an
Speaker 1: eight and eighteen. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near there,
Speaker 1: like that's twenty sixteen. Yeah, I remember being like, this
Speaker 1: is stupid. We should may I never thought that should
Speaker 1: be there, but it should have happened last year. Should
Speaker 1: means deserve Like that's no, they're very different. It's like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I have and then, like many other people, very high
Speaker 1: hopes at the beginning of the season, and I was
Speaker 1: certain that that was going to be the year, and
Speaker 1: it clearly was not that way. I think she just
Speaker 1: wants to cover the game, like be at the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Maybe not so much the Cowboys. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of media here in Dallas, they though, and the
Speaker 1: fun reasons to go there, well, you know what, it
Speaker 1: was a great way to phrase it. People find reasons
Speaker 1: to go there. They definitely do, which I kind of
Speaker 1: I thought about that, not to get into journalism weeds,
Speaker 1: but like, if I ever have a chance to cover
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, I wanted to be for a better
Speaker 1: reason than just like I found a reason to be there,
Speaker 1: you know, like like the team that you cover and
Speaker 1: it's the Cowboys first trip in thirty years or whatever,
Speaker 1: as opposed to just like I'm gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to be down there even though I cover Anthony Hitchens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do I've done that. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, the Cowboys had UM. They the
Speaker 1: coaching staff was the coaches for the Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: then Emmett was going into the UM to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. It was the Saints and Colts. It was
Speaker 1: that whole week and I did that. I like found
Speaker 1: linebackers that played for the Saints. I forgot their name.
Speaker 1: They had two of them, Scott Figina and Vilma probably Shanley. Oh,
Speaker 1: Scott Shanley. Yeah, a couple of formers, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: really care about that. But it was a reason to
Speaker 1: get the Chiefs. Have six guys yeah that that that
Speaker 1: have a ring that we're with the Cowboys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's like cool, you know, very few of them, well
Speaker 1: only half of them actually played an important role for
Speaker 1: that team, but yeah, they all get they all get
Speaker 1: rings like like the next guy. So right, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's jump into this free agent talk a little bit,
Speaker 1: just to give you guys some context. The Cowboys, where
Speaker 1: I guess the NFL, their schedule is set up such
Speaker 1: that starting February twenty fifth through March tenth, that will
Speaker 1: be the period where teams can designate their franchise players
Speaker 1: or transaction I'm trying transition tag players, and then free
Speaker 1: agency will begin on the eighteenth. There will be that
Speaker 1: little period of two days between the sixteenth and eighteenth
Speaker 1: to March where teams can start negotiating. But all that
Speaker 1: being said, during Super Bowl week we heard some interesting things.
Speaker 1: We heard comments from Stephen he said the Dacks is
Speaker 1: the number one priority for them, and follow that up
Speaker 1: with the Mars probably number two. And and we also
Speaker 1: heard some things from Dak about his thoughts on the contract.
Speaker 1: The first question I have for you guys is, how
Speaker 1: would you handle this contract coming up, this contract period
Speaker 1: coming up, Knowing that you have Dak out there, you
Speaker 1: have a Mari out there, you have Byron Jones out there.
Speaker 1: How would you handle specifically Dak and a Mari going
Speaker 1: into this this free agency period. Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's easy to say Dak's top priority, Cooper second,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of what people think is going to
Speaker 1: get the most money. But I think it's important in
Speaker 1: the order I think DAK needs to have. You need
Speaker 1: to get a long term deal with that so you
Speaker 1: can be flexible with what you want to do with
Speaker 1: Cooper if that means a transition tag or a franchise tag.
Speaker 1: But you got to remember, transition tag could go away
Speaker 1: if the CBA is signed or it doesn't. It doesn't
Speaker 1: go away, but you can't use both. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 1: the way that the CBA is and it's since it's expiring,
Speaker 1: you can use You can have a transition tag and
Speaker 1: a franchise tag, but if that doesn't happen, you can
Speaker 1: only use one or the other. And when you say,
Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen in other case, in other words,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboy I mean, I mean, if the NFL
Speaker 1: and the Players Union actually come to an agreement on
Speaker 1: a new CBA, then tell me what happens at that
Speaker 1: point if you have a franchise and a transition if
Speaker 1: you have both, yeah, I mean, if you have both,
Speaker 1: from what it sounds like, the transition goes away. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe then, And these are all
Speaker 1: things I assume that are maybe negotiated, So it may
Speaker 1: not actually be. In fact, we know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But the point is there is some there is some
Speaker 1: ambiguity about what happens with regards to those tags if
Speaker 1: there's a new CBO. Right, let me just answer it differently,
Speaker 1: and let me just say that I think that that.
Speaker 1: I think you signed back to a long term deal.
Speaker 1: You just got to get it done. You have to
Speaker 1: get it done, and then I would franchise Amari. I
Speaker 1: think that makes more sense with him. That's what I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you ask for my approach, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they both need to be signed. I want
Speaker 1: to sign them both. And that, honestly, that was I
Speaker 1: appreciate it Dak's honesty there during Super Bowl Week when
Speaker 1: he was like, honestly, I thought it would happen before
Speaker 1: the season, because so did I, so did a lot
Speaker 1: of us. And I know, you know, it takes two
Speaker 1: to tango. Dak's got to be willing to sign a deal.
Speaker 1: They've got to be willing to offer what he wants.
Speaker 1: I get all of that, but they need to get
Speaker 1: this thing done. Okay, So but but I think, and
Speaker 1: there's the rub. Are you willing if you're the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Are you willing to go to the number that he
Speaker 1: wants just to get it done? Isn't that important to
Speaker 1: you just to get it what's the number that he
Speaker 1: wants if if he really wants forty, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess that number is well above the thirty two,
Speaker 1: thirty three or maybe even thirty four that that we've
Speaker 1: been thinking. He probably falls in line with those other
Speaker 1: guys like Golf and and went. It's probably not there.
Speaker 1: It's probably something above that. Or what is your point
Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, I can get up to here,
Speaker 1: but I can't go beyond that, even though I know
Speaker 1: that that can be hurt. That can hurt my team
Speaker 1: if I have to franchise him or whatever. And that's
Speaker 1: the fun part is that that conversation is could change
Speaker 1: soon because the Chiefs have made it known that it's
Speaker 1: a priority for them to lock down Patrick Mahomes, who
Speaker 1: has the credentials and the resume to ask for whatever
Speaker 1: he wants, and he will be the NFL's first forty
Speaker 1: million dollar player. I don't I mean, there's somebody bench
Speaker 1: that the other day and I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can completely rule it out. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would do that, because it would I mean,
Speaker 1: now you really are starting to talk about crippling your team.
Speaker 1: You would honestly have to have a new CBA, and
Speaker 1: the economics of football have to drastically change to where
Speaker 1: you can afford to put fifty million on a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be shocked if he hit
Speaker 1: forty two million a year and or you know, the
Speaker 1: forty three whatever. So point being is that's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and if it happens before Dak is signed, that's just economics.
Speaker 1: Is Dak is like, well, the structure has changed now
Speaker 1: and now like thirty six isn't what it was or
Speaker 1: thirty eight isn't what it was, And so I guess
Speaker 1: to answer it more bluntly, like my line in the
Speaker 1: sand right now, it's probably like thirty five, where I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like why do you think you
Speaker 1: deserve more than that? Like why would I pay you
Speaker 1: more than what I'm what's Russell Wilson is being paid?
Speaker 1: And but again, if Pat Mahomes making forty two, I
Speaker 1: know he's not. Pat Mahomes, stop yelling at me. I
Speaker 1: can hear all of you doing that, but again, it's
Speaker 1: economics more than anything. It resets the market, so that
Speaker 1: number changes if he signs, which is all the more
Speaker 1: reason why it's got to happen soon. You just can't
Speaker 1: afford to be going up against that contract, and the
Speaker 1: fact is resetting the market then kind of resets things
Speaker 1: for Russell as well. It almost blows the thirty six
Speaker 1: out of the water because then it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty six, he may not be better than Russell, but
Speaker 1: Russell hasn't had a new deal since the forty two
Speaker 1: is set, So yeah, that's why it makes it difficult. Right,
Speaker 1: That's the guy I think that's in the way. But honestly,
Speaker 1: the one that I think the Cowboys are really worried
Speaker 1: about is Deshaun Watson. That's the one that you look
Speaker 1: at his stats and what he's done in accomplishments, and
Speaker 1: Houston might be the type of team or you know
Speaker 1: that just says we're gonna pay for what he's going
Speaker 1: to do. And that's the one that kind of scares
Speaker 1: they think the Cowboys more than Mahomes because I just
Speaker 1: think Mahomes is on a completely different level. But Watson
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. You're talking about those other two guys that
Speaker 1: God deals that both have been in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't think. I think the Cowboys need to stick
Speaker 1: to their guns on this one. I really do, and
Speaker 1: I don't want it to happen where let's say they
Speaker 1: go and pay that big amount of money and then
Speaker 1: Dak essentially he's playing the same way that we've seen
Speaker 1: him play, although he had a growth this past year.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, Nike always talks
Speaker 1: about clutch moments like can he be that player in
Speaker 1: those critical moments of the game, And if it's not,
Speaker 1: then we're really gonna be talking about like what And
Speaker 1: he happens all the time with players when they get
Speaker 1: those kinds of big contracts. Exactly. Let me let me
Speaker 1: go back to what you just said. Let's go back
Speaker 1: to the start of the season, and let's say that
Speaker 1: he signs the deal for thirty three million a year. Okay,
Speaker 1: he is now the you know, highest paid in Cowboys
Speaker 1: history and all this stuff that goes with it, and
Speaker 1: then the season happens just like it did, like it did.
Speaker 1: What are we viewing him differently. I think we'd be
Speaker 1: viewing him very similar to how people are viewing DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think DeMarcus Lawrence had a bad year. I think
Speaker 1: for the contract, people are like, h did we really
Speaker 1: get what we're paid for? Like, that's the point, that's right,
Speaker 1: And so when when you factor all that in, then
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well should he get more than that?
Speaker 1: You know, because if he would have had that money
Speaker 1: and gone eight and eight and not ever led the
Speaker 1: team back in the second half of any game, then
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: DeMarcus and all those guys that have signed deals, I
Speaker 1: don't think they had that much of a step back. Year.
Speaker 1: Is just you know, I think I think I will
Speaker 1: be alone in this, but I think I would view
Speaker 1: it more favorably. You do, Yeah, because I would be like, well,
Speaker 1: not the best season, that's not going to cut it.
Speaker 1: He's costing this towards the salary cap. But again, we
Speaker 1: started the clock. We started the clock on this contract.
Speaker 1: We're already working toward being out from under the bad
Speaker 1: part of it. He is already settled into the hierarchy
Speaker 1: where Mahomes is going to pass him, Watson's gonna pass him,
Speaker 1: Lamar's gonna pass him soon, and in two or three
Speaker 1: years he will be tenth on the list, like Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: who I will say, for the millionth time, set the
Speaker 1: market when he signed and it's been less than two
Speaker 1: years and he's ninth. That's that's how this works. It
Speaker 1: is amazing. And so if it had just happened in September,
Speaker 1: I would be like, no, you didn't get your return
Speaker 1: on investment, but you feel good about his development and
Speaker 1: his trajectory, and you have started the clock on this
Speaker 1: instead of sitting here going exactly how much are we
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay this guy? Because it's starting to
Speaker 1: get scary when you're thinking about these other deals that
Speaker 1: are going to hit. So yeah, I would feel way back.
Speaker 1: And he did not have a great season, not a
Speaker 1: season worthy of that contract, but I'd still feel better
Speaker 1: about the situation if he was under contract. Now. I
Speaker 1: think everybody feels like we could you know, you could
Speaker 1: sign this guy four or five years. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much it's gonna be, but yeah, he'll be the guy.
Speaker 1: But are you as comfortable with the four to five
Speaker 1: years at that price or you know, at the top
Speaker 1: value for Maria Cooper. See that one seems more scary
Speaker 1: to me, and I'll actually, I'll that's a great question.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. When we come back, I
Speaker 1: want to hit that question. And I also want to
Speaker 1: ask the question, like, when you start looking at that,
Speaker 1: should he really even be your second priority? You got
Speaker 1: other guys like Robert Quinn out there, you got you know,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones out there? Should he really be the second
Speaker 1: priority for this team? Based on what you've seen so far?
Speaker 1: And let's not also forget this is a draft that's
Speaker 1: very deep, deep at the wide receiver position, as I'm
Speaker 1: sure Dave can tell us from his work of the
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. This is the second
Speaker 1: segment of a break five from the s WBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: At the start, we're talking about free agency. We're talking
Speaker 1: about some guys that Cowboys will have that they will
Speaker 1: have to either resign or let walker or maybe put
Speaker 1: the franchise tag. I'm talking about Dak Prescott. But the
Speaker 1: question before the break is about who the next guy is.
Speaker 1: Who's the next highest priority for the Cowboys. You got
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper out there, You've got Byron Jones out there,
Speaker 1: You've got Robert Quinn out there. If you had to
Speaker 1: choose only one of those guys that you're really gonna
Speaker 1: make a priority, you know, you're gonna try to keep
Speaker 1: Dak with this other guy's going to be the only
Speaker 1: other priority that you have. Who's that guy gonna be?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a mari because you know, if
Speaker 1: you start trading away draft picks and not getting any return,
Speaker 1: that's when you your team will will suffer. And so
Speaker 1: I think that I still view him as the first
Speaker 1: round draft pick from last year, and you've got to
Speaker 1: get some you know, investment on that. So I would
Speaker 1: I would do that, you know, I would try to
Speaker 1: see if this new receiver's coach in this new offense.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it's a new offense,
Speaker 1: but you know, different wrinkles. I would like to see
Speaker 1: what they can do here. And you know, but I
Speaker 1: like the franchise tag for him because I like one
Speaker 1: more year and then, you know, then then we'll see
Speaker 1: where you are. And then after three years, if he
Speaker 1: didn't work out, then okay, maybe maybe you can move on.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Dak, He's not to me, at
Speaker 1: least in my perspective. He's not the type of quarterback
Speaker 1: that can make it happen on his own. He needs
Speaker 1: those kinds of players like we've seen them go by
Speaker 1: committee and switch around receivers and it just did not
Speaker 1: work out. Dad needs help from these other guys that
Speaker 1: are able to catch the ball. And when it comes
Speaker 1: to a Mari, I mean he obviously I have my
Speaker 1: questions about him because those away games, he just never
Speaker 1: showed up. And it sucks when you only have a
Speaker 1: good player for half of your games and then for
Speaker 1: the other half it's like, all right, well what a bummer.
Speaker 1: But my thing is, if it's not him, who who
Speaker 1: is it gonna be? Who else can come in at
Speaker 1: receiver and create that kind of impact when it comes
Speaker 1: to Dad handling the offense and finding guys on the field.
Speaker 1: All right, So Dave answered that question for me. Let's
Speaker 1: assume for a second that the Cowboys did want to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our chances here at wide receiver because
Speaker 1: we think this draft is deep enough. Are there guys
Speaker 1: that would be available to the Cowboys in this draft
Speaker 1: who can come in and immediately because that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You can't wait two or three years that immediately can
Speaker 1: provide you at least what Cooper was providing you as
Speaker 1: of last year, and have a ceiling that can get
Speaker 1: even better than that. You're always taking a risk that
Speaker 1: that guy's going to be able to contribute right away.
Speaker 1: I mean, just especially where they're picking. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, this receiver class is absolutely loaded. They will
Speaker 1: be able to find talent. If they found Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: at pick eighty one, receivers like that'll be available. Receivers
Speaker 1: like that'll probably be available in the fourth round if
Speaker 1: this receiver class is what it's supposed to be. But again,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, like inconsistent as a rookie, was not ready
Speaker 1: to put a real load on himself. Blew up this
Speaker 1: season to a degree, but still wasn't a consistent He
Speaker 1: still would call a number one receiver, yet of course
Speaker 1: not only had the chance in the Jets game, it
Speaker 1: didn't work on Um, you know, Jerry Judy's out there,
Speaker 1: uh Te Higgins, Henry Ruggs from Alabama, like the Rugs
Speaker 1: is a speak guy right incredibly. Um, the list goes
Speaker 1: on and on, but if you take them on, it's
Speaker 1: it's what it's that classic thing of like if I
Speaker 1: take a Mari Cooper out of this lineup and plug
Speaker 1: in a rookie, let's say, alongside Michael Gallup and Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1: Did I get better? I don't think the answers. Yes,
Speaker 1: maybe in the future, like you know, two three years
Speaker 1: down the line, that could be really nice, or you like,
Speaker 1: I love the idea of keeping a Mari and drafting
Speaker 1: a guy. I love that idea. You know, wouldn't stop
Speaker 1: you from bringing Randall cop back? Sure, Devin, Devin Duvernet,
Speaker 1: Colin Johnson, Um no, no, no, Okayne is really ever
Speaker 1: heard at Duvernet in my life? That's fine? But I
Speaker 1: mean the list goes on and on. Calmney called Denzel
Speaker 1: Men's Oh geez, I forgot arguably the best guy in
Speaker 1: the draft, Ceedee Lamb could be there for you at
Speaker 1: pick seventeen. Take that. Um yeah, the list goes on
Speaker 1: and on. But I don't know. To to Age's point,
Speaker 1: I just does this team get better letting Amari Cooper leave? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think the answers yet they
Speaker 1: get better when he got But yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: what you guys are not considering is are you willing
Speaker 1: to commit the money? I get your point. I actually
Speaker 1: I am more in line with you from the standpoint.
Speaker 1: I'd rather see him franchise, be honest, with you because
Speaker 1: I'd like to see another year, But are you willing
Speaker 1: to commit? And again, I don't know what they're asking.
Speaker 1: That's the thing what is happening right now because we
Speaker 1: don't really hear answers from him or the Jones or nobody.
Speaker 1: They're just like, oh, yeah, it's one of our priorities.
Speaker 1: But it's like, Okay, we've heard things about the Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott's a contract, but then when it comes to a Mari,
Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything. I'm not asking top five money.
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to do that this year. I don't think.
Speaker 1: What do you guys, hop, Um, do you consider him
Speaker 1: a top five receiver in the NFL? No, you consider
Speaker 1: on the top ten receiver in the NFL. Well, let
Speaker 1: me flip this back on you. I mean, is Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott a top five quarterback in the NFL? Is that No?
Speaker 1: But I will say this about what it boils down
Speaker 1: to some degree in other positions. I think for quarterbacks
Speaker 1: the difference is if you get a quarterback that you
Speaker 1: think is good enough to get you to Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: you have to hold on to him because they are
Speaker 1: not plentiful. Wide receivers are plentiful, like there are a
Speaker 1: lot of good wide receivers around the NFL. You get
Speaker 1: a good when you put him in your system, and
Speaker 1: you can probably have product productivity from your passing gig Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the same thing as the way
Speaker 1: you have to evaluate a quarterback where you just can't
Speaker 1: afford to go back to the bottom of the league
Speaker 1: where you don't have an option at all. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense, and that's I mean, I'd be fine signing Amari.
Speaker 1: They have the cap to handle it. But if they
Speaker 1: I would not hate the idea of franchising Amari, drafting
Speaker 1: a receiver somewhat high, and grooming that guy to help
Speaker 1: you move forward if you don't want to resign him later,
Speaker 1: that's fine with me. You know, I think there's three
Speaker 1: receivers that are definitely better or you know, Houston, m
Speaker 1: what's his name, Hopkins, Hopkins, Michael Thomas, Michael Thomas, Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: Fante Adams is in there, and Mike Evans, And then
Speaker 1: when you get to that point, you know, in O'Dell,
Speaker 1: I still think it is. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on there for Cleveland, but
Speaker 1: I think he's still talented wise. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's as good as anybody, so, but that's when you
Speaker 1: start making arguments. That's where I think the sixth seven,
Speaker 1: you know range, he's somewhere in that jumble behind like
Speaker 1: you know, those top guys. I think Hopkins and Julio
Speaker 1: are in like a class all their own at this point,
Speaker 1: but he's in that jumble behind everybody. You know, where
Speaker 1: you can go, there's like a list of eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen's another one. Nobody you know still only like
Speaker 1: twenty six or turning twenty six. I really wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a problem paying him. And that's do you get better
Speaker 1: letting him go at least? I mean, if again, if
Speaker 1: you want to draft Jerry Judy and groom him, that's
Speaker 1: a different conversation. But like you're not getting better without him,
Speaker 1: And that's and I get your point Amber, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: Dak does need help, but like so does everybody. By
Speaker 1: the way, like Mahomes is encouraged, Mahomes is incredible, but
Speaker 1: let's not act like there's not a boatload of skill
Speaker 1: talent on that offense. I'm actually shocked that you guys
Speaker 1: don't put Tyry Kill up there with those top wide receivers,
Speaker 1: because I think he should be up there with those
Speaker 1: top guys. I think you look at how he performs,
Speaker 1: and it is a consistent thing pretty much throughout the year,
Speaker 1: game in and game out, he is making place for
Speaker 1: his team. His route changed the Super Bowl. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: ability to turn that safety the way he did and
Speaker 1: and create himself wide open. And he does that all
Speaker 1: the time, and teams are paying attention to him, teams
Speaker 1: are trying to take him out of the game, and
Speaker 1: he still's fine. It's kind of like what Abe was
Speaker 1: doing in Houston for a long time. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry in Pittsburgh for a long time, where teams would
Speaker 1: try to double him, would try to take him out
Speaker 1: of games. His route running was just so good that
Speaker 1: he could still get open. This is not fair, And honestly,
Speaker 1: i'm a little I'm reluctant to say this about Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas because he did it with Teddy Bridgewater and his
Speaker 1: hands are like vacuum cleaners. He's nuts. But like I said,
Speaker 1: it's not fair. But Tyreek Hill, I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to see you play with not the best quarterback ever,
Speaker 1: Like I want to see you play with somebody that's
Speaker 1: not a human cheat code. What I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it is just his insane arm talent combined with
Speaker 1: hills insane speed. Like that's a ridiculous combination to try
Speaker 1: to defend. But I've seen Hopkins do that with Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick for years. I get it. I just the way
Speaker 1: I look at that is you get a quarterback that
Speaker 1: can just sling. It works right because Tyreek Hill is
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna make you look really good because
Speaker 1: he can just get open. He's faster than everybody else,
Speaker 1: and he runs good enough routes like you were saying,
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl runs good enough routs at if he
Speaker 1: gets you, he's smart enough to know how to get
Speaker 1: you off balance, and then if he gets a step,
Speaker 1: he's gone. You can't catch him. Between all, I I mean,
Speaker 1: Hills on a big contract, Watkins is on a big contract.
Speaker 1: Kelsey's arguably the best tight end in the league. And
Speaker 1: then Nicole Hardman and they spent a top one hundred
Speaker 1: pick on and he's got he can run too. Mahomes
Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible, not taking any credit away from him,
Speaker 1: but people act like he's the only thing on that offense.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, no, there's there's a lot of talent
Speaker 1: there for him to work with. Yeah, okay, well here's
Speaker 1: another question. It's high from the whole talent subject. Are
Speaker 1: any of you guys concerned at all about all these
Speaker 1: foot injuries that and Mari went through last year? That
Speaker 1: doesn't concern you for this year? Yeah, yeah, that wouldn't.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't even my number one concerned. But yeah, now
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, and it is really Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I'm not as concerned about that. I
Speaker 1: kind of thought of those as just kind of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of those fluke injuries that happened when you play football.
Speaker 1: You know. I've never heard said he's dealt with that
Speaker 1: for a long time, so it's like that. But I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've heard anything that suggests that this
Speaker 1: is a long term problem for him. I think when
Speaker 1: you run as much as any receiver does, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have issues. And by the way, he wasn't missing
Speaker 1: a lot of games like he played through a lot
Speaker 1: of that. Now it was one game where there's one
Speaker 1: game that that you know, he just he obviously did
Speaker 1: had it that day. But but my point still is
Speaker 1: I think that this is not what which the game?
Speaker 1: Which game you're talking about? Honestly? Was that the Jets? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I don't yeah, I didn't know you're talking about
Speaker 1: that game or the one where the Ego game where Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean no, the Jets game is weirder to me.
Speaker 1: The Jets game is the game that just seemed weird
Speaker 1: to everybody because you were like, so, you were pretty
Speaker 1: good or thought you could play all week, and you
Speaker 1: thought you could play on game day, and then a
Speaker 1: couple plays in without anything seemingly happening, you just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I absolutely can't do it right. That's the
Speaker 1: part that was wed next week. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: little weird to everybody, to everybody, but again we don't
Speaker 1: know what is Like his body may have just like
Speaker 1: he may have just twisted it the wrong way coming
Speaker 1: out of his you know, coming out of a break
Speaker 1: or something. Who knows. I need you on the field
Speaker 1: on fourth and eighth. I need you to be on
Speaker 1: the field, like that's on the Eagle game, Like that's
Speaker 1: the one in Cob too. I mean, let's don't put
Speaker 1: you know, the Cob kind of got him down there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know is demeanor scares me. And
Speaker 1: I don't like to say that because it because it's
Speaker 1: like everybody's built differently, and you're like, don't question my
Speaker 1: toughness or my heart or any of that stuff. We
Speaker 1: based off what you see. Because I'm a quiet guy,
Speaker 1: I get that, but I just it scares me because
Speaker 1: you don't know. If you don't see the fire, you
Speaker 1: don't see it. I'm saying you have to be like
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, but you just don't see it. And it's
Speaker 1: it's scary because that was a contract year when you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be really really hungry. Yeah, so I don't
Speaker 1: I just don't know. It's it's so funny how you
Speaker 1: swing from these different extremes like yeah, where it's like, man,
Speaker 1: just settle down. Yeah, it's okay, and then on this
Speaker 1: you're like, man, you gotta pick it up. Something we
Speaker 1: gotta see. And I don't get me wrong, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I don't feel the same way, but but it
Speaker 1: is kind of this this dueling thing where you're like,
Speaker 1: give me a look. You want to have the kind
Speaker 1: of the perfect guy, but you know, guys aren't perfect.
Speaker 1: They aren't perfect, they are perfect. It is what it is. Right,
Speaker 1: you watch the Pro Bowl, you know, and first play
Speaker 1: the game, he like drops a pass or you're like,
Speaker 1: first play of the game, but he didn't score a touchdown. Later, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Dave, you saw that he scored in the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Yeah, didn't watch a second of it. That's
Speaker 1: a little more going on that day. What was that day?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yeah, that was a weird day. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I sort of agree with
Speaker 1: most of what you just said, but at the time,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, guy's had a thousand yards
Speaker 1: like five of his six seasons in the league. He's
Speaker 1: pretty damn good player, he is. But the question is,
Speaker 1: do you want the guy that's consistently gonna give you
Speaker 1: ninety eighty nine one hundred yards a week or you
Speaker 1: want the guy that's gonna give you some two hundreds
Speaker 1: or some one fifties, but then some weeks he has thirty.
Speaker 1: Like that's where you have. That's what you have to
Speaker 1: make it. We've said recently that like that's almost everybody, really,
Speaker 1: like that's almost every receiver, like at the top, very
Speaker 1: very hard to be a week in week out, six
Speaker 1: catches hundred yards. Guy one now I will say, though
Speaker 1: it is a little even I will say this about
Speaker 1: some of those other receivers, though there are times when
Speaker 1: you see them they might not have a great game statistically,
Speaker 1: but there'll be moments in that game, maybe it's towards
Speaker 1: the end of the game, where they will make a
Speaker 1: huge play for their team. And I think in a
Speaker 1: Mari's case, I do wonder if it seems like when
Speaker 1: he disappears, he kind of just disappears. I would want
Speaker 1: to see even in games where they may not they
Speaker 1: may not think the matchup is favorable to really go
Speaker 1: to him a lot, but I would think at some
Speaker 1: point in that game they figure out how to get
Speaker 1: a play that really can make a difference in the game.
Speaker 1: And it just seems like it's either or for him.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like there are those games where even
Speaker 1: if he's not having a great statistical day, there's a
Speaker 1: big moment that he provides where the team needs something
Speaker 1: he can look to him. And when you look at
Speaker 1: it in this different perspective, it's like, in those games
Speaker 1: where he wasn't playing necessarily well, does his presence still
Speaker 1: bring something to the field where it now creates more
Speaker 1: opportunities for these other guys. It probably does. And that's
Speaker 1: how I used to see the Marcus Lawrence. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: even at times in my mind, like even before this
Speaker 1: past year, he's the one guy that, regardless of him
Speaker 1: not making a specific play, his presence still creates opportunities
Speaker 1: for these other guys next to him. So is he
Speaker 1: that type of player when he's on the field. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I mean, I would think that
Speaker 1: it probably helps. I would think defenses have to go
Speaker 1: into games thinking as far the passing game is concerned,
Speaker 1: the first priority probably is you got to stop Amari Cooper. Now,
Speaker 1: the first priority really you got to stop to run.
Speaker 1: But and that's the number one with the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: would think if you're playing them, but when you're talking
Speaker 1: about the passing game, I would assume that the first
Speaker 1: guy they got to be worried about is Amark Cooper,
Speaker 1: and they're going to spend a little extra time trying
Speaker 1: to take him out of games, which should create opportunities
Speaker 1: for others. To go back to the overall question, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the world of Byron I think he's underrated.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get takeaways, but his covers. He's outstanding and
Speaker 1: to do what he did this year without an offseason
Speaker 1: really impressive. Robert Quinn fantastic, like played out so perfectly.
Speaker 1: Like that's exactly the type of addition the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to be making, low cost, high upside saying it for years.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have him both back, and I think
Speaker 1: it's realistic to think two of those three can be here.
Speaker 1: Probably would. I think it would be Cooper and Quinn. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: point being is like I'm going to resign the guy
Speaker 1: that touches the football the most often and really has
Speaker 1: the biggest chance to directly impact games because we always
Speaker 1: I mean and like the best day of your life
Speaker 1: as a defensive end is getting like three sacks out
Speaker 1: of eighty snaps. You know, Like you just don't have
Speaker 1: as many opportunities to impact the game as a quarterback
Speaker 1: obviously or a wide receiver. So Cooper's got to be
Speaker 1: priority number two. Ember, you agree with that, Cooper your
Speaker 1: second priority? Yeah, Well, like I said, when he comes
Speaker 1: up to the offense, third at a Quinn, MALIEK. Collins
Speaker 1: and Byron Jones. Yeah, you can take whatever free agent
Speaker 1: you want. Who's the third guy? If we all agree
Speaker 1: that Cooper's a second. Who's the third guy? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Well it's to me it would be between
Speaker 1: Quinn and Byron Jones. I just don't think they'll be
Speaker 1: able to give Byron Jones the kind of money that
Speaker 1: he probably deserves to keep him here. But he's a
Speaker 1: guy that I don't think it's gonna be that easy
Speaker 1: replacing him, and regardless of him not being able to
Speaker 1: catch balls, I mean, the way he plays still and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are still gonna need a lot of help
Speaker 1: in the secondary as a whole. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: Cheeto Jordan. When when are they next? Next? Next? Next year?
Speaker 1: That's coming up too, So maybe you gotta draft a
Speaker 1: guy and somebody so definitely got a draft a guy
Speaker 1: this year. I think there's there's a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks there in a lot of needs. You better do
Speaker 1: one of those two, Quinn or Byron Jones, because if
Speaker 1: you don't have Byron Jones, and then you need somebody
Speaker 1: to definitely get after that quarterback. And if you don't
Speaker 1: have Quinn, then you need someone to cover. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're gonna get Byron Jones in
Speaker 1: a perfect world. I don't think it's even close. I
Speaker 1: would resign Byron, like if money was him a Quinn, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if money was no object. He's twenty seven, he's super athletic.
Speaker 1: But we're not in a perrect w I just I
Speaker 1: don't based on the money factoring everything, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's realistic to think Byron Jones comes back here,
Speaker 1: and unless they were to get a deal done with
Speaker 1: one of these two in the next month and open
Speaker 1: up the franchise tag. But guess what for Byron Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: We're thinking those guys, we're gonna get somewhere else. News flash.
Speaker 1: We're wrong all the time. But like, but to your point, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would that happened in August. That happened, like you
Speaker 1: got months to sort through it and get you know,
Speaker 1: get through the season. We're in crunch time right now
Speaker 1: where there's there's five weeks until free agency opens, and
Speaker 1: unless the Cowboys were willing to blow Byron Jones away,
Speaker 1: he'd be insane to take a deal right now when
Speaker 1: he's this close to hitting the open market where and
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of options. They can't franchise them,
Speaker 1: probably because they got these other ones they got to do.
Speaker 1: Probably can't transition. I mean, they've got these other ones.
Speaker 1: This is this is the most earning potential he'll ever
Speaker 1: have in his life, because somebody's going to be willing
Speaker 1: to throw stupid money at him. And I just can't
Speaker 1: imagine he'd be willing to take a deal before he
Speaker 1: sees what that would look like. And I personally, I
Speaker 1: think that's a mistake for a team. I think if
Speaker 1: a team pays him top five cornerback money, I think
Speaker 1: that's a mistake. I think he is a good cornerback.
Speaker 1: I think we're our opinions are somewhat put on a
Speaker 1: curve because based on all the cornerbacks you got here,
Speaker 1: he's the best of what you got here. But I
Speaker 1: think he's a good cornerback. I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: great quarterback. I think, I mean, that's so hard to
Speaker 1: say until you know where he goes. Like if the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions pay him out just out the wazoo and
Speaker 1: it's great, like yeah, then it probably looks like a mistake,
Speaker 1: like is he going to put you over the top.
Speaker 1: But like if you were to go to a team
Speaker 1: like Philadelphia where they are, they mean they still they're
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, like, despite being disappointing, they have a
Speaker 1: nice roster, like they're built to succeed. They got the quarterback,
Speaker 1: they got all that stuff in place. They need to
Speaker 1: draft a receiver. But I could imagine he goes there
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh man, Philly's pass rush has been
Speaker 1: on another level since they had this cornerback that can
Speaker 1: stick to his coverage and blah blah, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they look really smart. So I think it
Speaker 1: just depends on where he goes. What I do wonder though,
Speaker 1: is that we think the coverage has been pretty good.
Speaker 1: I wonder if on a team where where opposing teams figure, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to test him a little bit more, because
Speaker 1: I don't think he doesn't get tested a whole lot here.
Speaker 1: I think there are better options to go to, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he gets tested a whole lot here.
Speaker 1: I want to see what he happened, What happened to
Speaker 1: one of those teams where they say, hey, well we'll
Speaker 1: test him a little bit more. I want to see
Speaker 1: if he still can because he's not a guy that
Speaker 1: necessarily he's gonna get his hands on the ball. So
Speaker 1: what is he gonna what is he gonna do there?
Speaker 1: Because we've seen it here, even in tight cover, sometimes
Speaker 1: teams are able to complete some passes on him. I
Speaker 1: wonder what will happen on a team like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would argue that he gets his hands on the ball,
Speaker 1: he just doesn't ever catch it. He bats a lot
Speaker 1: of passes down, he just doesn't catch him. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the Mike Nolan quote that he said,
Speaker 1: the story he told about Troy Atman telling him a
Speaker 1: long time ago. I'm not worried about guys that don't
Speaker 1: pick the ball off. I mean I'm worried about Dan,
Speaker 1: and I'm not worried about I guy that bats the
Speaker 1: ball down. And I thought immediately, well, that's not good
Speaker 1: for Byron Jones. Um. I don't even know if he
Speaker 1: leads the team in past breakups. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: don't even know where he ranks in on the league,
Speaker 1: because I think that's another I will kind of argue
Speaker 1: with you a little bit on the on the standpoint
Speaker 1: of you know, he doesn't have they don't have to
Speaker 1: test him. I mean, you want to be able to
Speaker 1: play the whole field, and so if it works to
Speaker 1: test him, you would. I mean, I think the reason
Speaker 1: why he doesn't get tested a lot because the guy's
Speaker 1: guy covered. I mean, he's got it covered. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: a good cover guy. So I just think there's thirty
Speaker 1: two teams that value differently when it comes to cornerback
Speaker 1: and coverage and the scheme that they play, and somebody's
Speaker 1: going to have that cap value and be like, this
Speaker 1: guy covers. That's good, that's better than what we've got.
Speaker 1: But when you're going into it, let's say you're the
Speaker 1: posing team. You're going into a week against the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and you're looking at how this defense plays. You're looking
Speaker 1: at Cheeto, You're looking at you know, Jalen, You're looking
Speaker 1: at you know, the safeties. Yeah, and you're saying, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of ways exploit them in the passing
Speaker 1: game that I don't really necessarily need to spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time over there. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you don't go over there because they
Speaker 1: still throw it by, right. Yeah, It's just that when
Speaker 1: you look at it, you've got a lot more opportunities
Speaker 1: in other places, So go to those other places, and
Speaker 1: because they don't move around, you could take your receiver
Speaker 1: and move him around and put him in some of
Speaker 1: those favorable situations. That's my only point. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if on other teams that will necessarily be the
Speaker 1: case because of the construction of those other defens I'll
Speaker 1: i'll be interested, because you know, it's the week after
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Everybody's reflecting on, like, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: that's not the Niners and the Chiefs is trying to
Speaker 1: think about, like how that worked for them. And for
Speaker 1: the longest time, you know, the Seahawks were the story
Speaker 1: of the decade with how they hit on all these
Speaker 1: draft picks and it was just this perfect storm. And
Speaker 1: that is obviously a very successful way to build a
Speaker 1: super Bowl team, but we've also seen that there's no
Speaker 1: one way to do it, and the Chiefs just and again,
Speaker 1: Mahomes is the biggest part of it. But the Chiefs
Speaker 1: put together a super Bowl roster that is absolutely full
Speaker 1: of gaudy free agent signings. The Broncos did it a
Speaker 1: few years ago too, Like, there are multiple ways to
Speaker 1: do this thing. And so if Byron were to go
Speaker 1: to a team that like to nixt point, he fits
Speaker 1: the scheme, he fits what they need I could see
Speaker 1: it being a really smart signing for somebody, just depends
Speaker 1: on who it is. Let's take our final break. We'renna
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Speaker 1: At the start, I'm having a good time with these
Speaker 1: guys a day. We've got a good conversation flowing about
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Speaker 1: to the end the show. We got a call from
Speaker 1: Brian in Waco. Bryan, what up, Hey, guys, how's it
Speaker 1: going today? Good? How are you good? Doing good? Doing good? Hey? Um,
Speaker 1: So I have a little bit of a comment. So
Speaker 1: I was watching the other day the sounds on the
Speaker 1: timelines that y'all put out, which are all awesome. By
Speaker 1: the way, I know all the fans really shout out
Speaker 1: to Alex. Shout out Alex slowly. Yeah, Yeah, they're they're amazing. Um.
Speaker 1: The one the last game against the Redskins, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a particular part where I think Michael Gallat just
Speaker 1: got his second touchdown, I want to say, and uh
Speaker 1: so Marcus Lawrence comes over and talks to uh, you
Speaker 1: know the wide receivers till you know, Mary, you know,
Speaker 1: here's hers is up next to them. Mart He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good. You know I'm good, and uh that awesome.
Speaker 1: Just his demeanor kind of scares me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm with you know, Nick on that a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I was curious what you guys would think about
Speaker 1: maybe uh uh like releasing him and maybe signing like
Speaker 1: a Chris Jones from the kansasse ce Chiefs, uh their
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and then just you know, gain the safety
Speaker 1: in the first round and maybe seeing about getting one
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers and the second or third Just
Speaker 1: kind of your thoughts on that maybe. All right, Thanks
Speaker 1: for call. Somebody actually asked me about Chris Jones before
Speaker 1: we went on the air on Twitter, and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like he's the biggest free agent on that Chief's team.
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a player. He made a play
Speaker 1: that changed the game. Um. I know the coaching staff
Speaker 1: is different, but I think all the front office people
Speaker 1: are the same. And I just don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to spend that kind of money on an
Speaker 1: outside free agent. I don't think that has changed. Ultimately
Speaker 1: goes back to Stephen Jerry right, And I don't know
Speaker 1: that they that they've shown us in the last several
Speaker 1: years that they're willing to go all in on free
Speaker 1: agency like that. Yeah, I mean, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Amar's contract or Dak or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dak's obviously going to be here. But if you don't
Speaker 1: do that with Amari, like the caller just said, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that that was my biggest problem about not
Speaker 1: signing Deaz. I mean, they didn't do anything with the money.
Speaker 1: You know they didn't. I mean, I guess they'll argue
Speaker 1: that they did, you know, moving moving into the next
Speaker 1: year and maybe signing some the guys that they signed,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, you better do something with it
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna if you're not gonna have a
Speaker 1: top wide receiver. And I think if you look at
Speaker 1: that Jets game, I think they beat that team by
Speaker 1: fourteen points. If Amar he's there, I think he was
Speaker 1: a difference maker not being there, So you better replace
Speaker 1: it somehow. Like we talked about this in the first segment, like,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to give him a long term contract,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue too intensely with you, but
Speaker 1: he needs to be on this team in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: if you're expecting to accomplish remotely close to what your
Speaker 1: goals would be. I think because it sounds great. The
Speaker 1: caller even said, you know, second third round again, I
Speaker 1: mean that that's Michael Gallup and he's great, like that
Speaker 1: is a successful draft pick. But was he ready to
Speaker 1: be a starter on I mean he was, but was
Speaker 1: he ready to be a starter Week one of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: I think he caught one pass for six yards against
Speaker 1: the Panthers that day, and even and you know, Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham hit the ground running. Hopkins has been awesome from
Speaker 1: the from the jump like it's doable, but it probably there.
Speaker 1: It's right, and even for a first round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, people give the Bears crap for draft picking
Speaker 1: Trubisky over Pat Mahomes, like the Tennessee Titans drafted Corey Davis.
Speaker 1: I believe in that draft if I remember, and like
Speaker 1: he's had injury issues, it's just it's a crapshoot. I'm
Speaker 1: not willing to put that kind of strain on a rookie,
Speaker 1: even even if it's Julio Jones, it's a big risk.
Speaker 1: You can even think about a guy like Deebo Samuel's
Speaker 1: who everybody agrees is a guy that's going to be
Speaker 1: a really great player in this league if he were
Speaker 1: the only receiving or brought in to be the best
Speaker 1: receiving threat that they had, and they were going to
Speaker 1: be relying on him like the Cowboys relied on Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he was ready for that in
Speaker 1: his first speaking as his fantasy owner, it took him
Speaker 1: half the season to come on. He was a non
Speaker 1: factor from September to late October. So another example is
Speaker 1: a later first round pick was DJ Moore for the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. His first year, pretty good year, you know,
Speaker 1: but it took a while to kind of get going.
Speaker 1: And then this second year, I believe he was in
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. Ye. So I mean it's not a
Speaker 1: bad route, It's just that I'm I want the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to draft a receiver and to do it with a
Speaker 1: high pick this year because I think the receiver classes
Speaker 1: that loaded and it could be beneficial. But at the
Speaker 1: very least. I think Amari needs to be on attack.
Speaker 1: But every year it's the same thing. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's good displire for development and for the future. He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of the future, Like it needs to happen now.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for someone that can come in and do
Speaker 1: it now. If that's the case, then signed, Sign the
Speaker 1: guys you've got, you know, sign a Mari Cooper. He
Speaker 1: can do it now at least twelve. And you can
Speaker 1: make the case that a deep receiver class means that
Speaker 1: you know, somebody you like in the fourth or fifth round,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's so deep, absolutely, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing. What you know, they had a vision
Speaker 1: of Tony for Tony Poller's I mean, he wasn't he
Speaker 1: wasn't highly rated running back you know where they drafted him.
Speaker 1: But they thought that what they had was Zeke, that
Speaker 1: he would be a perfect compliment. So far, I mean,
Speaker 1: he looks like he's That's the quality of this receiver class.
Speaker 1: Could push a guy like Devin DuVernay into Day three
Speaker 1: of the draft. I don't know that for sure, but
Speaker 1: could Yeah, he's he's exclusively a slot guy. I mean
Speaker 1: he's a little less versa. Where is the Verney gonna go?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We gotta figure you we gotta figure
Speaker 1: that out. Um yeah, I mean there there's talent to
Speaker 1: be had in the draft, for sure, but I just
Speaker 1: you're not You're not a playoff contender without Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: on your team in twenty twenty at least. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get a call from Tim in Boston. Tim, what up? Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks take micall. I appreciate a quick question. Do you
Speaker 1: think that this new regime coaching staff will actually decide
Speaker 1: to spend some capital on a defensive line as far
Speaker 1: as like one technique or the three technique. In the past,
Speaker 1: like Dave and Brian went on the Draft show, they'd
Speaker 1: always talk about this defensive lineman and like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's more of a one technique handicapping your defensive line.
Speaker 1: Nick's always called for that big old Vince will Flock
Speaker 1: type of guy. I mean, I didn't go to m
Speaker 1: I t H when of your defensive line isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a priority in your scheme. I think that rate its
Speaker 1: head in our run game too. I'm just my question
Speaker 1: I guess is, do you think you can see a
Speaker 1: philosophical change, yes, in building that defensive line, because that
Speaker 1: really scares me. All right, thanks for the calls. I
Speaker 1: do think you will see a change there, I think.
Speaker 1: And from the priority standpoint, why why do you think
Speaker 1: is why? Well, we talked about this before the show.
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why, like he said,
Speaker 1: it helped it hurt the run game. It might have
Speaker 1: hurt more than that too. I think that the philosophy
Speaker 1: is going to be, you've got really good linebackers, You've
Speaker 1: got athletic linebackers, cover them up, protect them, get some
Speaker 1: bigger guys up front, because the MALIEK. Collins of the world,
Speaker 1: and those guys that are undersized but they can get
Speaker 1: up the field because Malie Collins was like he was
Speaker 1: one of your best pass rushers even across the line.
Speaker 1: That's great, but the draw all play happens, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the guard and then center are coming
Speaker 1: right out of your linebacker. Yeah, and you know, and
Speaker 1: then one guy's got a neck injury. Yeah, that's the point. Like,
Speaker 1: and just for those that may not understand what you
Speaker 1: mean when you say cover them up, your meaning use
Speaker 1: those guys as basically shields. They keep the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: from getting to the second level. Now your linebackers are
Speaker 1: free again being athletics as athletic as they are, They're
Speaker 1: free out of rome and get to the ball and
Speaker 1: get to the ball quickly. And that's hopefully that hopefully
Speaker 1: helps your defense be better. All it helps your blitz
Speaker 1: as well, because you can, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: kind of contain to those guys in the center and
Speaker 1: then you can maybe blitz from you know, from the
Speaker 1: outside or whatever. But I mean, I do think that's
Speaker 1: a great question because I think it'll be the safety
Speaker 1: and defensive tackle have never been high priorities, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think it needs to be. I agree, and that
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated because, Okay, we just said they're not going
Speaker 1: to splash cash in free agency, but they will have
Speaker 1: to sign people they always do, and I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a good year to need defensive tackles. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if Malie Collins might not be coming back,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, really, Tristan Hill is the only pure defensive
Speaker 1: tackle with a contract. Don't make that face, Jim Jim
Speaker 1: tom Sula's an accomplished coach. He might he might coach,
Speaker 1: listen to what you have to say. Wow, it takes time,
Speaker 1: dereks no time to play. It doesn't take time to play.
Speaker 1: All right, fine, fine, I don't like I hate it
Speaker 1: when I'm the Sunshine pumper, so I'll just shut up. Uh.
Speaker 1: Michael Michael Brockers is out there, um from LSU, but
Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't matter. Marcella absolutely, Marcel Darius is
Speaker 1: out there from Alabama. That matters. Jordan Phillips, who blew.
Speaker 1: I mean he'll probably be too expensive. He blew up
Speaker 1: in Buffalo this year. But even there's even like less.
Speaker 1: You know, Vernon Butler, first round pick out of for Carolina.
Speaker 1: He's a bust, but that's the type of guy the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have shown interest in in the past. Um A,
Speaker 1: Sean Robinson, Jaron Reid, two more Obama guys, Danny Shelton
Speaker 1: back out on the unrestricted market, like there are guys
Speaker 1: who could really help them, which you know, defensive tackle
Speaker 1: looks like this huge need right now. But if they
Speaker 1: prioritize it in free agency, maybe all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you feel pretty good about it by the time the
Speaker 1: draft rolls. Or don't look at somebody's free agent list
Speaker 1: and go, wait a second, we just picked up the
Speaker 1: eighth best defensive tackle from this guy's list, but MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins is third on there, and why didn't we try
Speaker 1: to sign him? You know? But I don't know all
Speaker 1: the heightened weight of those guys. I think Shelton when
Speaker 1: he like the three Sheltons, knows yeah, yeah, he's a monster.
Speaker 1: So I just think a Shaan Robinson's huge too, different,
Speaker 1: different fit and what they're looking for. So yes, I
Speaker 1: think the caller is right on there about I'm I'm
Speaker 1: fascinating again. I'm a broken record. I'm sorry, But like
Speaker 1: under in the Garret era, you're like, well, this is
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. These are the types of players
Speaker 1: they're gonna sign, and then they'll do this in the draft.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna change, Like they're gonna value different body
Speaker 1: types on the d line, they're gonna value different skill
Speaker 1: sets in the secondary, and there will be new names,
Speaker 1: new archetypes on this team that affect what they do
Speaker 1: in the draft. And I will say this, I know
Speaker 1: we I said the opposite a little earlier, at least
Speaker 1: it leaned toward the opposite, and saying that will as
Speaker 1: Jerry and Steven are going to be making those kinds
Speaker 1: of decisions. They haven't shown recently that they're willing necessarily
Speaker 1: make a splash in free agency. The one thing you
Speaker 1: have to throw in is there is a different coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and because there is a different coaching staff, and second
Speaker 1: of all, because the Cowboys have so many free agents
Speaker 1: that are gonna be in flux, this may be a
Speaker 1: year that they decide, hey, we fuck, we're really close.
Speaker 1: We have a new coaching staff. They want to revamp
Speaker 1: what our team looks like. They want to revamp what
Speaker 1: our defensive tackles look like, what our secondary looks like. Right,
Speaker 1: and if they go that route, they may decide they
Speaker 1: want to take two or three of those those free
Speaker 1: agent signings and make them really big, splashy guys like
Speaker 1: guys that really can be cornerstone pieces to your defense.
Speaker 1: So I would be very careful. I'm gonna be very
Speaker 1: careful of assuming that I know what they're going to
Speaker 1: do in free agency until I see it. I still
Speaker 1: think they're gonna probably lean back to what they've done
Speaker 1: because the guys that are evaluating a talent are still
Speaker 1: the same, and obviously ownership is still the same, but
Speaker 1: I do think it's something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: I also think that unlike what you've seen in most years,
Speaker 1: definitely here. I mean because Garrett's been, you know, looking
Speaker 1: at the Dallas Cowboys for ten years, been going into
Speaker 1: the draft. But your head coach this year was looking
Speaker 1: at all thirty two teams. Maybe not every game, but
Speaker 1: he was looking at a lot of games, and so
Speaker 1: he has a better understanding of kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the head coach has a better understanding of what's out
Speaker 1: there than ever before. And that's not a knock at anyone.
Speaker 1: He was just out of football looking at everybody in
Speaker 1: the league, wondering where his next stop was going to be.
Speaker 1: So when when they pull up tape of a guy,
Speaker 1: he should have a better understanding because he's been in
Speaker 1: the league for so long and was watching it last
Speaker 1: year and may have some pet Cassidy got along the way.
Speaker 1: He's like, I've been looking at the Scala season. He's
Speaker 1: a free agent. I think we need to go target him.
Speaker 1: May get a project of mine to identify all of
Speaker 1: the available free agents that have spent time around Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Mike Nolan over the last like four years.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably a worth which. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take one more phone call really quickly before
Speaker 1: you in the show. This one's from Han and Tulsa. Han.
Speaker 1: What up? Hi, thanks for ticking my texting my phone call. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any concern about the offensive line
Speaker 1: and the kicking game? Offensive line, especially on the left
Speaker 1: guard position? It seemed like unsettled there? Hang our Thanks
Speaker 1: for the call. What do you guys to think Honor Williams?
Speaker 1: I mean, where are you with him? Do you think
Speaker 1: at this point he's a guy that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: really good player for the Cowboys? You think he's just
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy right now? You can hope to
Speaker 1: be him to be a bridge before you get another guy.
Speaker 1: Do you think you need to make a move right now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't. I wish I had
Speaker 1: a better answer for you, But I mean, yeah, they
Speaker 1: drafted him high, you know, but this staff didn't. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that they're you know, but who who's going
Speaker 1: to be better? I mean, is it Connor McGovern? Maybe
Speaker 1: it's not. I mean you have not absolutely seen anything
Speaker 1: anything from McGovern, right, but he's a free agent though
Speaker 1: do you do. Is that a position where you need
Speaker 1: to go out and again getting a guard. You don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to spend a lot of money to get
Speaker 1: a veteran guard that can come in and be better
Speaker 1: necessary right now, he may be a progress stopper if
Speaker 1: you think that he can still get better that if
Speaker 1: you still think Connor can get better, it can be
Speaker 1: a much better player with time. Yeah, then you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to stop his progress. But if you if
Speaker 1: you're starting sour on that, maybe you do go the
Speaker 1: route of getting a vetter. I think the jury was out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I would standing on the table
Speaker 1: that Suphilo was better. I think it was. I don't
Speaker 1: know what y'all think. I mean, I think it was
Speaker 1: kind of a wash. He wasn't clearly better, but I
Speaker 1: do think he was a little bit better because he
Speaker 1: was stronger, and I think that's something of need, especially
Speaker 1: with Travis last year. I don't think Travis's strength was
Speaker 1: all the way back is it shouldn't have been, so
Speaker 1: I think the strength was a need. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was technically better, and he certainly isn't a
Speaker 1: better athlete than or William. He's a really good athlete
Speaker 1: for guard. So it's really it's tough to tell. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot of moving parts there at the tackle,
Speaker 1: at the offensive line position. I'm not super worried about
Speaker 1: it unless they I mean, we've talked about a million times, Like,
Speaker 1: unless they want to move Connor Williams to tackle and
Speaker 1: have him be your swing tackle. IM I would like that.
Speaker 1: I think would Actually, I think Connor suffers from be
Speaker 1: playing on a line full of all pros and being
Speaker 1: a top fifty pick, Like he's not amazing, But I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced that he's like this game in game out
Speaker 1: liability that some people make him out to be and
Speaker 1: then factor in the part where they have a top
Speaker 1: one hundred pick who we haven't seen, which not saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna be great, but Connor McGovern should be available
Speaker 1: and fight that thing out. If he's awesome, then he
Speaker 1: can have Connor Williams job. That's fine with me. But
Speaker 1: you've so you've got two highly touted talents who can
Speaker 1: fight for that job, and that's fine with me. Would
Speaker 1: you bring back Joe Looney? I would love to have
Speaker 1: Joe Looney act for his flex and just because I
Speaker 1: love him. Yeah, I like him as my backup center.
Speaker 1: I think he's steady. I think he's a guy you
Speaker 1: can rely on. And until I see Travis back to
Speaker 1: the point where he was before the syndrome, I want
Speaker 1: to have that kind of insurance in Orlando, Orlando, the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: know my point. I think last ye. I think last year,
Speaker 1: I think last year he was he was okay. I
Speaker 1: think there were moments where you're like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: know if his strength is really back. You saw him,
Speaker 1: you saw things uncharacteristically happening to him that didn't happen before. Um,
Speaker 1: And so I want to see now in the second year,
Speaker 1: is he even stronger? Is he back to being the
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick that we that we knew for many years
Speaker 1: as one of the best centers in the league. Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill one comeback Player of the Year, Congratulations because it
Speaker 1: was big. That was a big comebacks. If you if
Speaker 1: you saw Travis in the locker room at the end
Speaker 1: of the twenty eighteen season, he would have been a
Speaker 1: unanimous pick. He would have been I mean just playing
Speaker 1: football again. Oh, he is playing football game. He's gonna
Speaker 1: make the Brow Bowl when he comes back, I mean
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's awesome. Tannehill got injured a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, but like, did he come back from something
Speaker 1: besides just being a bad player. Yeah, that's bs. And
Speaker 1: by the way, he was a nature of the layer.
Speaker 1: He played okay this year, I think ex seventy five
Speaker 1: yards in the playoffs, Like Jimmy g came back from
Speaker 1: an achilles. That's awesome. Not but guys do that every year.
Speaker 1: And obviously we're biased because we're in the bubble. But
Speaker 1: like Travis didn't look like he was gonna be able
Speaker 1: to walk, let alone play football. He had said himself
Speaker 1: that he was like, how much longer will I be
Speaker 1: able to like hold my son? You know, his kid?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I mean he's like suffering from he
Speaker 1: was suffering from something that's basically killing you from the inside.
Speaker 1: I now, you know, it's not necessarily an injury. He
Speaker 1: wasn't you know. He probably got to the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: more on reputation than how good he was. But he
Speaker 1: still played center in the NFL at a high level
Speaker 1: a year after all of that, and it's just stupid
Speaker 1: that nobody wanted to recognize that. So we all agree
Speaker 1: he wasn't the fight. He wasn't as good as he
Speaker 1: was before. And that's the point where I want to
Speaker 1: have Luney here as my protection. Until I see that.
Speaker 1: Once I see that, I'm good to say how much good?
Speaker 1: Here's another one? Until I see Connor McGovern show me
Speaker 1: that he can be some kind of swing guard, center
Speaker 1: flex guy. Because if he can do that, then that's different.
Speaker 1: But when is he gonna be able to show that?
Speaker 1: But that also goes back to the point if if
Speaker 1: if I think that Travis is back to being himself,
Speaker 1: I think that guard position gets a lot better. I
Speaker 1: think Connor's a better player if those two guys beside
Speaker 1: him are playing at the level that we thought that
Speaker 1: they'd been playing him. Are y'all ready to have the
Speaker 1: conversation about how there will probably be a pretty good
Speaker 1: left tackle there at pick seventeen, We're gonna We're gonna wait,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have that conversation at a later date,
Speaker 1: because I do want to talk overall about this offensive line,
Speaker 1: because I think there are a lot of different little
Speaker 1: storylines that you can pick up on this offensive line
Speaker 1: that are worth discussing. We'll do that in a later
Speaker 1: week though, all right, appreciate you guys, Joins were back.
Speaker 1: He asked about the kicking game too. Oh sorry, are
Speaker 1: you worried about the kicking game? That was the second part.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that, he did. There's a baller, stop it.
Speaker 1: I'm signing signed Kai for Bath and bringing in at
Speaker 1: least two guys for for the summer. I was nailing them.
Speaker 1: I'm in. Okay, we got a kick him. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: stopping first time. This is an extra point, Like I
Speaker 1: don't care how scarred I don't care how scarred we
Speaker 1: all are by the last two years. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: drafting a kicker. I got too much other stuff to do.
Speaker 1: And you can find good kickers just sitting out, like
Speaker 1: you just gotta find them. Like there they exist, they exist.
Speaker 1: All right, we get to joining us. We're back next wednesday.
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