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I'd introduced the shadow people topic on your 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: show many years ago, and I thought that the hat 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: man was another form that shadow people took, because shadow 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: people can come in any shape or form really, and 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: it could become a cloud of rodent um, somewhat of 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: a person looking thing. And it was myself in college 33 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: roommate who were experiencing these different beings. There was nothing 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: out there on the topic, and we put it up 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: online and there was one image that I put up there, 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: and it was of this man in a suit. I 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: personally had not experienced him at the time. It was 38 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: my college roommate who did. And I essentially rescued her 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: from the incident without knowing it. She was screaming in 40 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the night. I ran through her room. 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I thought literally that someone had broken and was attacking her, 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: and she was crouched in the corner. Just id never 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, until you've seen somebody who felt like their 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: very life was that risk, you just don't know what 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: that feels like. I mean, she was horrified and the 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: way she kept, you know, pointing and shaking, saying the man, 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: the man. I'm like, oh, no, somebody's broken in. I'm 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: looking around checking doors, windows, and and she's like no, 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, it was their first gasp. But she could 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: get was he disappeared when you opened the door. And 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, what did this guy look like? 52 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: And she was like blackness itself, but she could, you know, 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: distinguish different characteristics a suit, a trench coat, and a 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: flat gaucho type of hat. She even noticed he had 55 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: a goatee. And they all have hats, don't they, not 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: always George oddly enough, not always. Yeah, and you know 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: he changes a suit up. That's another. And sometimes I 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: think of these Abe Lincoln type top hats. Do they 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: have they have some of those? Right? Yes? Yes? And 60 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: you know this is a this is an interesting link 61 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: with the top hat form. I don't know that he 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: likes to change up, you know, his outfits, but he 63 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: seems to match the top hat more with a cape. 64 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Do you think it's just one entity or many? That 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: is the newer element that I'm coming across as of late. 66 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: You know, every once in a while, i'd get it. 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: I have thousands of reports. By the way, you could 68 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: write ninety books based on just the reports. It's it's 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: through the roof, George, it's exploding. And that's the very, 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: very scary element of this is that it's not slowing down, 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: it's getting worse. Has anybody ever been physically hurt by 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: the hatman? Oh? Yeah, yeah, sadly enough, I've had many 73 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: people write to me about being picked up, thrown, and 74 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: this other element that's showing up as a not just 75 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: that he's choking people, because you know, the physical element 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: of him putting his hands around somebody's throat is one thing. 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: But now he's kind of he's kind of taken a 78 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: step back and he's appearing and people will feel a choke. 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: But see he's standing there with his hands to his side, 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, a different amount of respect of fear. 81 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand why that is. I mean, 82 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's changing things up, and it's it's quite disturbing. 83 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: But another thing to mention. I've had several people write 84 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: me up on him not always being in black. Now 85 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: he's changing, hish his outfit. He really is a very 86 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: dark brown pinstriped pants. I mean, I thought, well, we'll 87 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: get the shadow people. But so the hat Man has 88 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: image to him. You can see things, right, it's not 89 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: just shadowy. He's not always shadowy. He can be and uh, 90 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: but you know, people can see his skin. And if 91 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: they see his skin, usually they'll see that it's either 92 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: solid black's not his either glowing red. He is the 93 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: hat Man the same as the shadow people. He's not 94 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: the same. He's not. Okay, that was that was a 95 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: mistake that I put early on and I called him 96 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: the hat man shadow. Yes, people still oh so I 97 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: saw the shadow man, you know, or the shadow person, 98 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: and then they'll describe the hat Man. I'm like, he's 99 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: a whole other ball game, you know, and wait, see 100 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: you you see what shadow people are in comparison. 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But 111 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: tell us who is slender Man. Well, slender Man is 112 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: actually a meme that was created by Eric Knutson June 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: test two thousand and nine. He was doing a photoshop 114 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: contest and where you had to manipulate a regular picture 115 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: to be as creepy as possible. And uh, he put 116 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: a caption that said, we didn't want to go we 117 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to kill them. But it's persistent silence and 118 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: outstretched arms horrified and comforted us at the same time. 119 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: So this guy is essentially he has no hair, he 120 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: does not wear a hat, but he's extremely tall, and 121 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: he wears a suit, and he's always seen as a 122 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: sort of guardian around children. But he's uh, he's been 123 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: very popular on the website called Creepy pasta who sees 124 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: him you're young children, young children, not adults, you know adults. 125 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: You know people that like sci fi fantasy horror stuff. Yeah, 126 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: they're they're into it. But this is really really popular 127 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: among preteens, especially like a cult thing. I think, you know, 128 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: I think that people like to be scared from the start. 129 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you, but Nancy Drew, 130 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, hardy boys, uh, you know, goose bumps. Kids 131 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: like to be scared. And everybody's online and they're checking 132 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: things out, and I think this is just another form 133 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: of horror loving entertaining. Yeah, but it but it took 134 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: a serious tone in Wisconsin, didn't it did what happened? Yes? 135 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: And uh, this is this is really really disturbing to me. 136 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: So when I was finishing up my book on the 137 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: hat Man called The hat Man Um, I published that 138 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: book May twelve of the the attack of these two 139 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: twelve year olds, Anisa Weird and Morgan Geyser, attacked their 140 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: best friend, who was also twelve years old. I grew 141 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: up about twenty five minute drive from where this happened. 142 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: It was a stabbing case. It was at the stabbed 143 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: as poor girl, I believe nineteen times and she survived 144 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: a really really tough little kid. Uh. It what was 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: very disturbing to me just before I put this book 146 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: out and made himself known to me. Okay, so all 147 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: these years, he's never come at me. So wait a minute, 148 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: you're searching slender Man, You're putting out information in a 149 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: book about slender Man, and then the hat Man shows up. 150 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: I was putting a book together on the hat Man, 151 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: on the hat Man, and you know I have again, 152 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: I have thousands of reports of him over the years. 153 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: My emails turned from und percent shadow people. When I 154 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: put his image up it's like hat Man. Now, Uh, 155 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: this change is is actually I started off with alien 156 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: encounters and it's incredible the evolution of the emails and 157 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: the experience is going on out there. But yeah, this 158 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: this guy, this hat Man, he's in the ears of children, 159 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: and so as slender Man in this you know, made 160 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: up fantasy world that there. Would you say, Heidi, that 161 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: they're both evil entities or not? Oh? I sure would. 162 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: And you know, I can't help but to think that 163 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: the creator of slender Man may have actually experienced the 164 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: real guys Man and when he was a kid, when 165 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: he was a kid, maybe I believe so and you 166 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: know the interesting part about the slender man stabbing case 167 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Uh with with Anissa. Anissa was interested in 168 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: the topic of creepy pasta in the website, and she 169 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: introduced Morgan, her friend who did the actual stabbing. Excuse me, 170 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: to the topic of slender Man. And when when Morgan 171 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: saw the image of slender Man, she said, oh my god, 172 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: I saw him when I was five years old, and 173 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: that she would see him in her dreams. Now, mind you, 174 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: Morgan has been diagnosed now as being schizophrenic. But it's 175 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: a I can't help but to think that some people 176 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: who have mental illness have indeed experienced more of the 177 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: paranormal world than a lot of people like to let on. 178 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, So she said that she felt she was 179 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: being stalked by a slender man. I think she didn't know, 180 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, about the real phenomena called the hat Man. 181 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: But she described very very similar accounts to what it 182 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: is that I get in the thousands and lumps and 183 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: emails of him telling her that she needed to kill 184 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: the hat Man will whisper into children's ears, tell him 185 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: that they need to kill, that they need to kill themselves, 186 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: or he's going to do it for them. Well, let's 187 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: see that that is pure evil, pure evils to go 188 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: to children of all things. You know, I'm an occupational 189 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: therapist and I had a student therapist underneath me, and uh, 190 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: she was only there for a brief amount of time, 191 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: and you know, everybody wants everyone so well asked me, hey, 192 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: what is it that you do? You write books on what? 193 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: And and I briefly told her about the hat man. 194 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: The look of horror on her face, She's like, I 195 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: saw him when I was a kid. I'm like, we 196 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: do tell And just so I was, I was probably 197 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: three years old. I saw a fork on the floor. 198 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: I knew I'm not supposed to play with forks. And 199 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: there was an outlet and I'm looking at the outlet. 200 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the fork. I'm looking back and forth, 201 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: and she goes when all of a sudden, this very 202 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: tall man stands all the way down to her face 203 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: within an inch and looks at the fork and looks 204 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: at the outlet and says, go ahead, stick it in. 205 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean to encourage a three year old to electric 206 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: to herself, a three year old, that's how low this 207 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: guy will go. And for people to think that you 208 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: know this may be a fantasy, just like the Menium Act. 209 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, I say, if it's not, Will Smith, don't 210 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: open the door. Listen to more Coast to Coast a m. 211 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: Every weeknight at one a m. Eastern and go to 212 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am dot com for more