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Speaker 1: Friday songs coming up. We begin with the Houston Astros,
Speaker 1: because whoever came up with that saying any publicity is
Speaker 1: good publicity probably wasn't the subject of an overly negative story.
Speaker 1: Now You can argue that the Astros cheating scandal is
Speaker 1: good for baseball. We're talking about baseball. National shows are
Speaker 1: having a lot more baseball guest on than they might otherwise.
Speaker 1: But as the players start to trickle into training camp,
Speaker 1: I get the feeling we're not going to like the questions,
Speaker 1: or at least those players are certainly not the Astros.
Speaker 1: Every team in the league's going to be asked about this.
Speaker 1: Then it will become a news cycle. One player is
Speaker 1: going to say something that brings up even more questions.
Speaker 1: Will it come from an Astro player, a former Astro player.
Speaker 1: They're still a lot of unanswered questions. And the Astros
Speaker 1: did not handle this well at all from the beginning
Speaker 1: because they underestimated just how explosive this was going to be.
Speaker 1: More information has started to leak out, we don't even
Speaker 1: have the full story. In my opinion, still don't believe
Speaker 1: that now baseball is hoping that these players will get
Speaker 1: the benefit of public opinion, the court of public opinion
Speaker 1: will at least be fair to some of these players.
Speaker 1: My problem is none of these players have really stepped
Speaker 1: up and said anything. You had a manager, a j
Speaker 1: Hinge who seems to be a really good guy and
Speaker 1: got got, you know, stung by this. You got a
Speaker 1: general manager who got stung by this. Meanwhile the players
Speaker 1: got away unscathed. I think that's where the media and
Speaker 1: maybe you the court of public opinion still has a
Speaker 1: problem with this. The players got away with this, and
Speaker 1: I have an issue with that. At least get in
Speaker 1: front of and be a man and stand in front
Speaker 1: of a camera and say, look, we did it, not
Speaker 1: proud about it, and I'm sorry that we lost a
Speaker 1: manager and we lost a GM. Somebody needs to say something.
Speaker 1: Get out in front of it. Now, the astros are
Speaker 1: actually having strategy meetings. How do we handle this? You
Speaker 1: should have handled this and had those meetings a long
Speaker 1: time ago. All you had to do is go, we're
Speaker 1: going to hold a press conference here one time only,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about this, because after that
Speaker 1: we have to move forward. We can admit we made
Speaker 1: a mistake, penalties were levied and people lost jobs, but
Speaker 1: we learned from this. Hopefully other teams learned from this.
Speaker 1: But I'd like to hear from guys who love to
Speaker 1: talk all the time. Justin Verlander, Alex Bregman. They are
Speaker 1: always in front of a camera. Jose L Twove, come
Speaker 1: on down. I'd love to hear from you face the
Speaker 1: fire one more time. You got immunity here, so at
Speaker 1: least be fair to those who lost their jobs, to
Speaker 1: your fan base that they can at least understand. And
Speaker 1: there's going to be an asterisk buy the Astros. There
Speaker 1: just is and there should be. And I have no
Speaker 1: problem that Baseball wants to take away that world serious
Speaker 1: Baseball doesn't want to do that. I get it, But
Speaker 1: to totally exonerate these players, I have an issue with that.
Speaker 1: I do, and I do think that they needed to
Speaker 1: win a World Series and it's a bad precedent. What
Speaker 1: about the next team. The next team goes, hey, we
Speaker 1: were cheating, but hey and it's just the players involved. Well,
Speaker 1: Baseball has already said, hey, we don't. We don't punish
Speaker 1: the players. You're gonna punish the team again. That's where
Speaker 1: the commissioner. I don't know if he's got new laws
Speaker 1: put in playing put in place here, but I would
Speaker 1: the next team that does this, and then you can
Speaker 1: do dot dot dot, because if might find you a
Speaker 1: million dollars, two million dollars, three million dollars. I take
Speaker 1: away a draft pick or two. If you said to
Speaker 1: the Astros, you're gonna win the World Series, your manager
Speaker 1: is gonna lose his job. GM's gonna lose his job.
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose some first round draft picks, and there
Speaker 1: might be an asterisk next to your name for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life. How many of those Asterros would
Speaker 1: have signed up for that, And you're not going to
Speaker 1: be charged, You're not going to be penalized other than
Speaker 1: you're going to wear the scarlet letter. They might have
Speaker 1: signed up for that, but you're going to have a
Speaker 1: strategy meeting here. And you know, the thing is, the
Speaker 1: Astros got greedy here because the Astros could have continued
Speaker 1: to do this and they were actually doing it correctly.
Speaker 1: They were doing it legally. But here's the complaint, you
Speaker 1: guys are too slow. We need that information in real
Speaker 1: time during a game. That's where the problems surfaced here,
Speaker 1: and that's where the Astros got caught because what was
Speaker 1: happening is they were decoding this and they were doing
Speaker 1: it legally, but they were only analyzing this after the fact.
Speaker 1: That's when you had people coming in going, hey, we
Speaker 1: need that information now. So they had an algorithm of
Speaker 1: to decode signs, and the video that they got was
Speaker 1: legal and advanced scouting tool. The use of the algorithm
Speaker 1: would have remained legal if it had not been deployed
Speaker 1: during live, you know, live during games. So what happened
Speaker 1: is Carlos Beltron and Alex Cora, they were the leaders here.
Speaker 1: You had some players who said, we don't want to
Speaker 1: be involved in this. They decided that the guy in
Speaker 1: the video room was not working. He wasn't efficient enough,
Speaker 1: he was too slow. A person with direct knowledge of this,
Speaker 1: according to the Athletic dot Com, they got better at cheating,
Speaker 1: and then the team got better because they got better
Speaker 1: at cheating. So the crime is nobody stopped it, and
Speaker 1: the crime laws banging on the trash cans was so
Speaker 1: over the top compared to what happened before that it
Speaker 1: was so obvious there. But the astros are trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, how do we minimize any more damage here?
Speaker 1: Because the longer you've waited, the worse it got, the
Speaker 1: more questions we have. I mean, we reached out to
Speaker 1: everybody with the astro. Nobody's talking, they don't want to talk.
Speaker 1: But every seat this doesn't blow over because you know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen wherever they go. Everybody is going
Speaker 1: to go how they do on the road. Hey, you
Speaker 1: guys are in a slump, not cheating. Different media, different town,
Speaker 1: different fan base, and they're going to hear it the
Speaker 1: entire year, and they should because you guys cheated, Finding
Speaker 1: simple cheated. Red Sox aren't going to get stung as badly.
Speaker 1: But they have a manager already lost his job. What
Speaker 1: do they do? They find no players, now they find
Speaker 1: the organization. You take away a couple of draft picks. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's move on here. Hey, how about that new playoff
Speaker 1: format here? I mean that's I'm not I'm not accusing
Speaker 1: the commissioner in Major League Baseball of releasing that right
Speaker 1: before they started spring training, but it feels like it
Speaker 1: might have been a strategy there. Hey, when do we
Speaker 1: want to release this? Get it out now, get it
Speaker 1: out right before pitchers and catchers report. We got if
Speaker 1: somebody asking other questions? And did you ever hear the garbage?
Speaker 1: Can you know being banged there? How often did you
Speaker 1: bang the drums slowly there? And now you've got some
Speaker 1: players who are former astros who found religion. Now they
Speaker 1: want to come forward they want to go into the
Speaker 1: baseball confessional and say, now I'm sorry I should have
Speaker 1: done something. M Okay, after this fact, good luck with that.
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Speaker 1: Are you satisfied with MLB's punishment in the cheating scandal? No,
Speaker 1: it's every enough. No, no, no is anybody do you
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna guess people in Houston might be, and
Speaker 1: the Astros organization and maybe ownership there. But look, what
Speaker 1: can you do? And now what prevents somebody else from
Speaker 1: doing If I'm a player, like, what's going to stop
Speaker 1: me or us or a group of us from doing this.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get punished. My team might get punished,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to get an edge here. So no,
Speaker 1: I'm not satisfied with this. And other than you take
Speaker 1: away a couple of million dollars from a billionaire, and
Speaker 1: you can't take a couple of draft picks away from
Speaker 1: the Astros. I know that some people lost their jobs there.
Speaker 1: That ain't impact in the players. Last I looked Verlanders
Speaker 1: still getting good coin. I'll twove's getting paid Bregman. These
Speaker 1: guys lost their jobs, and aj Hinch admits, man, I
Speaker 1: should have done more. Okay, at least he's got some remorse.
Speaker 1: I should have done more. I tried to do more,
Speaker 1: Brian McCann. Another one said, I tried to do it,
Speaker 1: but we got, you know, steamrolled by Carlos beltrn An
Speaker 1: Alex Score. Yeah. Do you think a big problem is
Speaker 1: in American sports society? We've seen other I wouldn't say franchise,
Speaker 1: but teams be stripped of a title for not cheating.
Speaker 1: Like usc football was stripped of the title because Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush took a loan that was illegal. They were not
Speaker 1: accused of cheating on the field in any way. He
Speaker 1: was eligible while he played, but they were stripped of
Speaker 1: their title. And then you have the Astros who are
Speaker 1: completely caught as cheaters. They've admitted that they cheated to
Speaker 1: win a World Series and they're keeping their title that's
Speaker 1: I think what bothers people is that it has been
Speaker 1: done in sports before that you've been stripped of a title,
Speaker 1: even in record and name only. They still got the
Speaker 1: parade and all that stuff. If this was a college team,
Speaker 1: then they would lose their title. It would be death penalty. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: this would be like SMU in the eighties. They would
Speaker 1: levy the death penalty that you guys were cheating that much.
Speaker 1: Let's say a football team was able to tap into
Speaker 1: the headset of the opposition. Okay, oh yeah, let's say that.
Speaker 1: Let's say that it was two hundred miles up north.
Speaker 1: Everybody always assumed that the Patriots always we have evidence here. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have evidence here. Just because you have speculations, I think, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not, but that has happened in the NFL. Don't
Speaker 1: you think something like that could have happened at some point?
Speaker 1: It could have, but we have evidence here. Imagine it's
Speaker 1: it's proven that all of a sudden, the head coach
Speaker 1: or you got somebody up in the press box, they
Speaker 1: have tapped into the quarterback, head coach, offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: they feed it to the defensive coordinator, so they know
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's proven. What would you do if a
Speaker 1: team won the Super Bowl? Would the NFL take away
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Let's say it's a college team. Let's
Speaker 1: say Clemson knew exactly what was going to happen. Where
Speaker 1: the Lex you knew exactly what Clemston was going to do?
Speaker 1: Kind of felt that way, sorry, but they knew what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. College football would take away a title.
Speaker 1: Baseball doesn't have the guts to do that. You can
Speaker 1: punish Pete Rose, and you can put him in purgatory
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life, and that's where he's
Speaker 1: gonna stay. Shulas, Joe Jackson, that's where he's gonna stay.
Speaker 1: But this was it. You know, I'm gonna guess there's
Speaker 1: more to all of these stories, and that includes Pete Rose.
Speaker 1: That Baseball just there's enough where we all right, we
Speaker 1: made our decision. The Astros, they're just enough. We made
Speaker 1: our decision. I wonder if one day we get the
Speaker 1: true story of the Astros and how beneficial it was
Speaker 1: that they were cheating. Yes, I don't think a pro
Speaker 1: team has ever vacated a title, though all the vacates
Speaker 1: are on the college level. I believe I looked it
Speaker 1: up a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Is a college team? Yeah? They ken? Can they? You
Speaker 1: don't think the commissioner can say I guess why? Why
Speaker 1: couldn't he? I don't know why. It's a pro team
Speaker 1: never done it in the past. I wonder if contractually
Speaker 1: it's more difficult than college because colleges they don't seem
Speaker 1: scared of it. Pros all the leagues seems scared to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, but how many teams are busted for
Speaker 1: cheating in the World Series. I don't know if there's any.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a team that threw a World
Speaker 1: Series the nineteen nineteen Blackstock scandal. But other than that,
Speaker 1: who else? I mean, even if Pete Rose was betting
Speaker 1: in the World Series when he's playing in the World Series,
Speaker 1: you would he probably did. But you know, Baseball, these
Speaker 1: these pro leagues aren't going to remove a title from
Speaker 1: somebody has ever been like a cork bat or a
Speaker 1: Phil Nekro throwing a tam paper out of the way,
Speaker 1: Not really at bad level. I mean, that wasn't Phil Nekro,
Speaker 1: that was Joe. I'm sorry, Joe nicro right, but even
Speaker 1: that's an individual. It's not a team punishment like this
Speaker 1: at all. No, But if you want to make a stay,
Speaker 1: it goes back to steroids. And I said this to
Speaker 1: then commissioner Bud Stealing. If you want to make a
Speaker 1: statement and you're gonna get people's attention suspending somebody for
Speaker 1: your third you know, failed test ten games, I would continue,
Speaker 1: why would you stop cheating all of a sudden? You go, no,
Speaker 1: you're down for half a year and you got guys
Speaker 1: making fifteen or twenty million dollars. You're going to get
Speaker 1: some people's attention there. I mean, USC loses a title
Speaker 1: because Reggie Bush had you know, a you know, improper
Speaker 1: loans from an agent who got spurned and then turned
Speaker 1: him in. Is that enough to take away a title?
Speaker 1: The Pro sports would laugh at that. I go, come on,
Speaker 1: that's not a big deal. Yeah boy. What if for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season, all astros hit are step in
Speaker 1: the box down oh one. Let's see what you got
Speaker 1: deal with that? You're down oh one? To start that bad?
Speaker 1: I'm guessing at mcclub and you can do the analytics.
Speaker 1: If you're down O one, you're probably hitting two twenty
Speaker 1: five about that every pitch they make, the pitcher has
Speaker 1: to say to the hitter, this is what's coming. Just
Speaker 1: scream it. Yeah, just fastball. Yeah, but then you start
Speaker 1: messing around its. Hey, here's the fastball. Throw curved, be
Speaker 1: even better. No, then then then you get suspended. Yes, Tom,
Speaker 1: I know they're not gonna take down the sign. They'll
Speaker 1: put an after squat. It isn't gonna be awkward having
Speaker 1: that twenty seventeen banner at Minute Maid Park as a
Speaker 1: constant reminder. Everyone's looking at that. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: they have tunnel vision, maybe they have your mouths, and
Speaker 1: maybe they just go, okay, hey, we we this is
Speaker 1: I got this actually from a former player, and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you rail on the Astros with this, but
Speaker 1: you still gotta You've still gotta hit the pitch. And
Speaker 1: I go, oh my god. I said, you can't be
Speaker 1: saying this because you sound like the guy who says
Speaker 1: to me, hey, Bonds may have taken steroids, but he
Speaker 1: still had to hit the ball. He's a professional baseball player,
Speaker 1: one of the great base ball players before he used steroids.
Speaker 1: Now I puff him up, give me more power. So
Speaker 1: when he hits the ball, it goes a lot farther.
Speaker 1: This is really simple. And I wasn't good in math,
Speaker 1: but I can understand this. Hey, you still got to
Speaker 1: hit the ball, alrighty. Then yeah, like playing blackjack and
Speaker 1: they say it's thought to have the money, but you
Speaker 1: know what the next card and the deck is, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a lot of money. All right. So
Speaker 1: NBA last night, are we gonna go with the astro's
Speaker 1: pool question? Honestly, I think we should ask people, would
Speaker 1: you vacate the title? Just to see where the audience is.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's start as a member of the media.
Speaker 1: It feels like if I and Tom for due to you,
Speaker 1: who I love and respect. And he came on right
Speaker 1: after this happened and I asked him. I said, do
Speaker 1: you think A. J. Hinch knew about it? And he
Speaker 1: said no, and I doubled back with him because I
Speaker 1: knew he was wrong. You can't have a manager in
Speaker 1: the dugout while they're banging on a drum. And I
Speaker 1: the reason why say this is it's like if I'm
Speaker 1: at my house and I'm downstairs in the living room
Speaker 1: and I can hear my daughter upstairs banging on a
Speaker 1: drum or whatever. I'd be saying, Hey, keep it down.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a guy banging on the drum right
Speaker 1: behind you, and a J. Hinch is gonna go, M
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't hear anything. Wouldn't you just go hey,
Speaker 1: that's annoying. Stop it? Yes? Yeah, not just keep it down?
Speaker 1: But like, why are you kindly doing that? I would want?
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Speaker 1: Paul Ester. If I'm an Astros player who cheated in
Speaker 1: the past three years to help win the World Series,
Speaker 1: I would not apologize in any way for cheating. First
Speaker 1: of all, because you're not sorry. If you cheat, by nature,
Speaker 1: you you don't care that you're cheating, and you're not
Speaker 1: actually sorry that cheating. You're sorry you got caught, or
Speaker 1: she would continue to cheat for years and years of years.
Speaker 1: I hate fake sorry. And also I would say we
Speaker 1: all steal signs. We just steal signs better if it's
Speaker 1: illegal to steal signs, and make it illegal for everybody.
Speaker 1: And don't you know, I would say, we just did
Speaker 1: it better than you guys did it. We came up
Speaker 1: with a system that was better. We just improved what
Speaker 1: everyone's been doing for years. Don't blame us for being
Speaker 1: better at finding ways around things than you. But I
Speaker 1: would never apologize if I were them, And I don't
Speaker 1: know my cobad is. I hate cheaters. I never cheat
Speaker 1: at sports. I'm much rather lose than cheat, but I
Speaker 1: always like looking for edges, but not to where you're
Speaker 1: actually considered a cheater and breaking a role. So you
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with what the Astros did. Then
Speaker 1: signs stealing is not cheating, but using video technology to
Speaker 1: steal the signs is. But isn't that vague? Well, there's
Speaker 1: nothing vague about banging on a garbage continuer, but that
Speaker 1: isn't technology. The technology was the camera. Well, but the
Speaker 1: camera gives you the information to then bang a drum.
Speaker 1: And who knows if they didn't have buzz buzzers on
Speaker 1: their uniforms. So let's say they had. Let's say the
Speaker 1: Astros did this. Let's say they had. Okay, but let's
Speaker 1: not I know, but let's say they removed the technology.
Speaker 1: Let's say they had a guy in the bullpen and
Speaker 1: he raised his right hand immediately when he saw the sign,
Speaker 1: and then the guy in the clubhouse went and it
Speaker 1: was all just physical and eyeballs. That would be considered
Speaker 1: completely legal. Okay, what they were doing was legal until
Speaker 1: they wanted to do it in real time with a
Speaker 1: with a TV moundient. Yes, that's that's where they got greedy.
Speaker 1: And I still think it's wrong. But it's weird that
Speaker 1: you sign stealing is right in some ways and wrong
Speaker 1: in some way. Yeah, I'm okay. If if if you're
Speaker 1: trying to steal a sign or somebody doesn't have complicated
Speaker 1: your third base coach you know, has the same indicator,
Speaker 1: and then you'll go, you know, we know what they're doing. Now,
Speaker 1: if that's something that you're do. You have guys. Every
Speaker 1: team has at least one guy whose job is to
Speaker 1: try to steal signs. Whether teams will admit this or not,
Speaker 1: they have guys who have done this for decades and
Speaker 1: they're really good at it. They'll watch the third base coach,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll try to steal you know, look in
Speaker 1: for the catchers, the location that that happens. But this,
Speaker 1: I mean this was surveillance cameras here and then that
Speaker 1: information to give that to somebody in real time. That's
Speaker 1: where the Astros got cut. Look at the Astros records
Speaker 1: prior to and then after they started cheating. This is
Speaker 1: one hundred win team. Yeah, Paul, the three years before
Speaker 1: the Astros started cheating. According to the report, they started
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen. In twenty fourteen seventy wins,
Speaker 1: two fifteen eighty six wins, two sixteen eighty four wins.
Speaker 1: They made the playoffs once. The next three seasons, they
Speaker 1: won one hundred one games, one hundred and three games,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven games and were first in the division.
Speaker 1: They hadn't been first in the division since two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. Yeah, good luck with that scandals strategy that
Speaker 1: you're you're cheating strategy coming up. You know here in
Speaker 1: spring training, we got nothing to say, We got nothing
Speaker 1: to say. You're gonna hear a lot of that. Oh,
Speaker 1: we've already addressed that we're moving on. We're moving on.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we're not, but you are because I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by it, Like I truly am fascinated of the brainstorming.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you said we'll bang
Speaker 1: on a garbage can. Yea love, I disagree with this.
Speaker 1: The Astros used what it's called asherball. They thanked for
Speaker 1: five years, had five number one picks in a row,
Speaker 1: and had a thirty game job, just like Paul's cuts.
Speaker 1: It's exact same cheat. Well, they'd happened to cheat, but no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. But it's not an action to all their
Speaker 1: number one picks hit hitten Age, you know the okay,
Speaker 1: but then that's when you say we're going to be
Speaker 1: a forced to be reckoned with here, Why did Carlos
Speaker 1: Beltron and Alex Corrigo. You know, we got all these
Speaker 1: number one pick but I think we need to cheat.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it comes at a huge jump too.
Speaker 1: Just that's that's how Tangan you have your number one
Speaker 1: picks were accused of cheating. But there is logic to
Speaker 1: say the Astros could have jumped in wins like you're
Speaker 1: without chating. I know, but you're trying to validate that
Speaker 1: the Astros got better. I'll give you that, But they
Speaker 1: didn't have that huge up just because of cheating. I
Speaker 1: would think maybe, I mean, they also happened to get good.
Speaker 1: You already had a good team. It's like saying, Barry Bonds,
Speaker 1: you're one of the great players of all time. Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna have you. Now you can do steroids, Now
Speaker 1: you can hit thirty five home runs or you can
Speaker 1: hit seventy. So my question is, so did they get
Speaker 1: so much better in part because they they cray and
Speaker 1: all those guys got older and better or are they
Speaker 1: just cheating? Is that I'm curious, like what part was
Speaker 1: cheating and what part was this age? I think they
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent there. Nobody's denying that. It
Speaker 1: just makes you If you said to me the Reds
Speaker 1: were cheating, I go, okay, I get it, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to get an edge the Reds. This is the
Speaker 1: Astros who had all these picks, and by all accounts,
Speaker 1: people were looking at this team and saying, you've got
Speaker 1: a great team here, and then you decide you're going
Speaker 1: to cheat. That's what it's hard to It's hard to
Speaker 1: exonerate anybody in this situation by going, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but those guys were young and they weren't quite great,
Speaker 1: so we decided to get an edge. Yeah. Pull. If
Speaker 1: I could ask if as a reporter anywhere and I
Speaker 1: could ask the current red I'm sorry they ask us
Speaker 1: players one question. If you guys didn't get caught seating
Speaker 1: with the signs stealing, would you be doing it in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Yes, or now, who stops something
Speaker 1: that worked? Who stops insider trading when they before they
Speaker 1: get you only get stopped. Yeah, you get stopped if
Speaker 1: you get caught. I'd like to hear them explain why.
Speaker 1: That's why when Andy Pettitt said had only use steroids
Speaker 1: to get back because I was coming back from an injury, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it. So you stopped right after that? Okay,
Speaker 1: I got at It's like, you know, bonds at seventy
Speaker 1: three and then go, you know, I'm gonna stop. That
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Yeah, mclub, what about this? It's all Carlos
Speaker 1: Beltrans fault theory. Well, there's too much blame on one
Speaker 1: guy here, because now all of a sudden, everybody is
Speaker 1: the you know, the moral police here, and now, hey,
Speaker 1: I saw it happening. I try to stop it. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I was only one man. I'm guessing if a majority
Speaker 1: of the players didn't want this to continue, then they
Speaker 1: would have said something about it. The one thing that
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised at. If I'm a picture and I
Speaker 1: know something's going on, I would have thrown at somebody's
Speaker 1: noggin and I would have said, hey, if you guys
Speaker 1: want to continue to cheat, We're coming at you, and
Speaker 1: no picture. I don't think every day. If you're on
Speaker 1: the mountain and you hear this and you send something's up, man,
Speaker 1: I'd buzz the tower in a second with these guys.
Speaker 1: You know the unwritten was of baseball? Yeah, McLean, Well
Speaker 1: do you blame the Giants teammates whoknew Berry Bonds who
Speaker 1: was taking steroids for not saying anything? You're not stepping in.
Speaker 1: That's one guy. Now if you said that like the Rangers,
Speaker 1: that was systemic. You had guys on the team that
Speaker 1: we're cheating. So these pictures can't go Hey, those other
Speaker 1: guys are cheating. You know they're using steroids. If you're
Speaker 1: a pitcher and you knew your guys were cheating, you
Speaker 1: don't get to say a word there unless you might
Speaker 1: have been cheating too. But if it's a team wide
Speaker 1: epidemic here, then that's different. But Shelley talks about it
Speaker 1: all the time, and he had Nanny on his team
Speaker 1: and Crat caught. I mean yeah, and look he knows
Speaker 1: that he's talking out both sides of his mouth that
Speaker 1: Manny cheated, and who knows who else on that team cheated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's not kill anybody with this. You're looking for an edge.
Speaker 1: Everybody in life is working looking for an edge, everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, it can be something simple of that stop sign.
Speaker 1: I never stop at the stop sign too. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take an extra piece of this. Hey, nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna miss five dollars from the register. And then you
Speaker 1: get it just you know, it's opportunity and then do
Speaker 1: you have a moral compass there? And the Astros the
Speaker 1: only right the reason why they're apologizing or at least
Speaker 1: coming close to that they got caught because I don't
Speaker 1: know how you think that you can keep this quiet
Speaker 1: though with that many people involved. That's the amazing part
Speaker 1: of this. And they were blatant about it, almost comical. Yeah, mccluging.
Speaker 1: How much pressure is there on the Astros to new Boy,
Speaker 1: there's a whole line. But they have a good team.
Speaker 1: It's are they gonna win? Like? What is the over
Speaker 1: under with the Astros in Vegas? Do they have them
Speaker 1: winning a hundred games this year because they want a
Speaker 1: hundred the last three years? Yeah? Po okay, But it
Speaker 1: works both ways for the Astros that the Astros win
Speaker 1: one hundred and two games this year. Every want to say, oh,
Speaker 1: what are they doing now? What's the thing they found? Now?
Speaker 1: And if they win eighty one games, right, there's the
Speaker 1: real Astros. And they really needed to cheat to say
Speaker 1: they're in a no you know, pun no win situation.
Speaker 1: So they want to get somewhere in the nineties five
Speaker 1: part where it's like wow, okay, so it helped a little,
Speaker 1: but do you want to get bounced in the wildcard round?
Speaker 1: So now they're gonna throw some games because you don't
Speaker 1: want to. We don't want to be too good. Hey
Speaker 1: we're up, you know, five to two in the seventh. Hey,
Speaker 1: can you bring in Skippy and see if he can
Speaker 1: give up some runs? Here? We got to lose this game.
Speaker 1: We can't be winning one. I haven't been ninety three
Speaker 1: and a half. Oh who's going over Astro's ninety three?
Speaker 1: And then yeah, bang the table if you okay? You know.
Speaker 1: My favorite of this whole science Feeling story is the
Speaker 1: Mets lost their manager. They neither cheat it nor won
Speaker 1: the World Series to benefit they're cheating, but they still
Speaker 1: got lost their managers. There's nothing more Mets than that
Speaker 1: to get punished for not winning anything. But they have
Speaker 1: to be thrilled though, when they look at social media
Speaker 1: and realize that they got out from underneath this carlos
Speaker 1: Veltron hiring. Yes, Todd, I think you gotta go under
Speaker 1: ninety three only because they think they may end up
Speaker 1: trying so hard to prove that they're still great without cheating,
Speaker 1: and by overtrying somehow it's gonna be detrimental to their performance.
Speaker 1: How do you try too hard? I just think it's
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind, like I better get
Speaker 1: a certain amount of hits. We better, don't you should
Speaker 1: try it? Like try too hard? Todd? Oh show, Really
Speaker 1: you're taket a shot. I get a nice pace, Please
Speaker 1: get degrees to keep you comfortable. But I'd like try it, Todd,
Speaker 1: like trying too hard. I'm going to church, but I
Speaker 1: used to do that in school. We just feel like
Speaker 1: when you overstudy, when you you gotta know when to stop,
Speaker 1: and you're prepared, and you start pushing it too much
Speaker 1: and then everything becomes confused. And I'm joking you actually
Speaker 1: try too hard you do, which which often hurts the
Speaker 1: show instead of the benefits. Yes, all right, we can
Speaker 1: get in the Orioles at fifty five this year what
Speaker 1: do you say the Tigers are fifty six? The two
Speaker 1: of those seems to well below everything. And when your
Speaker 1: win total is this street or a speed limit that
Speaker 1: ain't good? The highest one I hear Yankees a one
Speaker 1: to one and a half. I think everybody should hold
Speaker 1: up the fifty five mile speed limit. For the Orioles.
Speaker 1: That should be their logo this year. They should be
Speaker 1: cheated by the way, not as the Astros that ballot.
Speaker 1: I actually I felt sorry for the for the Orioles
Speaker 1: last year, like I watched a little more Baltimore baseball
Speaker 1: than I should have, but I just felt like I
Speaker 1: wanted to know, how are you guys so bad? And
Speaker 1: then I watched them and then I realized they were
Speaker 1: really bad. Do you realize the Astro is better on
Speaker 1: the road than at home? Since twenty seventeen, Just throwing
Speaker 1: out those numbers winning percentage runs per game, they were
Speaker 1: first in a road winning percentage, first in run score.
Speaker 1: Take that cheating scandal day comes what the yes, boy, Dann,
Speaker 1: we have a quick game that we like to play.
Speaker 1: You haven't told my dream, but go ahead with a
Speaker 1: quick and then we'll take a break and I'll tell
Speaker 1: everybody about my very very deep dream and I had
Speaker 1: last night about it. An NBA the former NBA player
Speaker 1: and coach, Can our side of the Glass named three
Speaker 1: current Orioles shoot the glass? No, it can't. You got
Speaker 1: Chris Davis? Are you sure? I think Chris is still
Speaker 1: on there? You're correct? That's one okay, eighteen season? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's real quiet aware, Yeah it is, Mickeleven. I would
Speaker 1: just thinking, can our side of the glass name ten
Speaker 1: MLB managers? Is another game that I'm hired? It we
Speaker 1: could not do? No, no, I no idea. Ron Rennicky,
Speaker 1: Yeah for the Orel Right, they gave him an interim tag.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Hey, we want to find out
Speaker 1: exactly how we're going to be punished here. I thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna hire Jason Varitek to be their manager. No,
Speaker 1: like full time, take away the interim unless Ron Rennicky goes. Hey,
Speaker 1: put the interim tag. And I don't know how long
Speaker 1: I want to stay around here. Any other Orioles that
Speaker 1: you can mention, God question. Ron Rennicky was not an
Speaker 1: Oriole like how many long, long long time ago. No,
Speaker 1: Rich Rennicky and the Renickys are like the Sutters of
Speaker 1: the MLB. I didn't even realize it. Who's my catcher
Speaker 1: with the Orioles who was great in the College World Series.
Speaker 1: He went to like, yeah, he's there. Isn't he No
Speaker 1: Matt Waterers in there? No? Oh no, no, it's the
Speaker 1: number one pick that they had. No, no, no, didn't
Speaker 1: they have the guy who left handed batter might have
Speaker 1: been a switch hitter catcher. I had their catchers as Severino,
Speaker 1: Cisco and Wins. It's that's a law firm right now.
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I just read the roster and I still
Speaker 1: can't name two asks. Wait. I thought they had the
Speaker 1: kid from like Oregon State or something. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: give me some more names on the Orioles roster. Yes,
Speaker 1: Davis Albert too. All right, this is this is all right.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break here. Play of the Day is
Speaker 1: coming up next. Is there a Ripken on there? No?
Speaker 1: Is Keko Garcia on that. I'm looking. I wanted it
Speaker 1: for you and I could give you the whole eighty
Speaker 1: three Oriols lineup right now. Okay, Well, cal ripkin a
Speaker 1: short stop. Keko Garcia was in that mix. Heady Murray
Speaker 1: at first Rich second Rich Hours second, Gary Rennicky and
Speaker 1: left field. I thought he platooned one where he was
Speaker 1: at the um. What said Ken's old? Yep, you guys
Speaker 1: got almost all of them. So when Palm or Dennis
Speaker 1: and Tippy Martinez, Mike Flanagan, who caught on that team?
Speaker 1: You got dan Ford and right field, Paul Blair, dan
Speaker 1: Ford with the open States, I could do d left field,
Speaker 1: John let it be low. I'm always right, Earl Weaver,
Speaker 1: Storm Davis. He's thirteen and seven storm Day A good
Speaker 1: name for a weather man. That team beat my Phillies.
Speaker 1: That's why I remember the week. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember that. All right, we'll take a break. I'll
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Speaker 1: not dire Maker, right, I'm just going by how it's spelled.
Speaker 1: I don't I've heard that song for years, and I
Speaker 1: always liked that led Zeppelin song, and I never knew
Speaker 1: what the name of it was or the origin was. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's either pronounced dire maker or Jamaica as
Speaker 1: something that I've heard it's not dire Maker, I don't think,
Speaker 1: but it's d y e R right. And there was
Speaker 1: a Duffy Dyer who was a catcher for the Pirates,
Speaker 1: and I always think of dire Maker. And then I
Speaker 1: had a Zeppelin fan who corrected me and it says
Speaker 1: it was like deer Maker, yes seed. I think you're
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Speaker 1: seen Zeppelin in concert, dire Maker Dan, Really No, it's
Speaker 1: jer Maker, yes boy. Robert Plant, in an interview in
Speaker 1: two thousand five, said he explained that the title is
Speaker 1: derived from an old joke where two friends had a
Speaker 1: following change. My wife's gone to the West Indies Jamaica,
Speaker 1: which sounds like jam maker knows she wanted to go.
Speaker 1: And they kind of took some old joke that they
Speaker 1: had and made it into a song like jam Maker
Speaker 1: Jamaicer No, she wanted wanted to go, And then they
Speaker 1: mixed in some reggae because they would just win to
Speaker 1: Jamaica on a trip at the band. Okay, so it's
Speaker 1: not dire Maker, right, Jermaker. I like dire Maker. They
Speaker 1: should have stuck with that good song. Though. I was
Speaker 1: spot on when I told you about this switch it
Speaker 1: and catcher. The Orioles had ad Lee Rutchman in the
Speaker 1: otta Oregon State. Yeah, we failed you on that one.
Speaker 1: I failed myself because I thought, I'm oh, I know
Speaker 1: they have a switch hitting catcher that they took number
Speaker 1: one I think out of Oregon State. And I remember
Speaker 1: watching the College World Series with this kid. That's unusual.
Speaker 1: Switch hitting catch it'sn't that unusual. I feel like Ted Simmons,
Speaker 1: Ted Simmons, switching and catcher, you don't have too many
Speaker 1: of them. I remember playing a baseball with a guy
Speaker 1: who was a first round pick I think with the Reds,
Speaker 1: and his name I think was Marlins Styles. He was
Speaker 1: a left handed catcher, and you don't see many left
Speaker 1: handed catchers because there's so many right handed batters. And
Speaker 1: then just throwing back, you're gonna be banging guys in
Speaker 1: the back of the helmets. Yeah, poy Yeah. Marlin Styles
Speaker 1: drafted by the Reds in the fifth round of the
Speaker 1: draft out of aich In High school. Yeah, Sincinnati played
Speaker 1: against him. He never got to the BIGS, but he
Speaker 1: played like seven years in minor league baseball. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I worry about taking catcher number one because if he's awesome,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna move him off catcher anyway because you
Speaker 1: don't want to wear him down as a catcher. Well,
Speaker 1: if you have somebody like Yadi or Molina, if you
Speaker 1: could draft a Yaudia or Malina, I mean Joe Mauer,
Speaker 1: they moved and Joe probably could have benefited by you know.
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, we look at you with your
Speaker 1: numbers at that position, and that can separate you because
Speaker 1: if you go to first base, you're not gonna put
Speaker 1: up You may not put up the power numbers of
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Speaker 1: your career. You know, a draft like a Yadia Malina
Speaker 1: number one, like you get no. But if I could
Speaker 1: get him in the I still feel like teams want
Speaker 1: power and star power at that night, I would want
Speaker 1: Yaudi or Malina if I had a number one pick.
Speaker 1: But if you're a team, you're thinking you're a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, why would defensive minded catcher? You know that's
Speaker 1: not who you take number one. Most of my catchers
Speaker 1: are defension minded, since that's what but ninety percent of
Speaker 1: your job is is to be a defensive minded catcher
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Speaker 1: Can't you get that later in the draft? Do you
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Speaker 1: like an a Rod with a number one pick? Because
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Speaker 1: like a Rod. I mean, I prefer not to like
Speaker 1: j Loo, But I guess how can he if he's
Speaker 1: good up for j m hmm. Okay, So I didn't
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