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Speaker 1: Friday songs coming up. We begin with the Houston Astros,

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Speaker 1: because whoever came up with that saying any publicity is

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Speaker 1: Now You can argue that the Astros cheating scandal is

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Speaker 1: good for baseball. We're talking about baseball. National shows are

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Speaker 1: But as the players start to trickle into training camp,

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Speaker 1: or at least those players are certainly not the Astros.

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Speaker 1: Every team in the league's going to be asked about this.

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Speaker 1: They're still a lot of unanswered questions. And the Astros

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Speaker 1: More information has started to leak out, we don't even

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Speaker 1: My problem is none of these players have really stepped

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Speaker 1: Get out in front of it. Now, the astros are

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Speaker 1: guys are in a slump, not cheating. Different media, different town,

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Speaker 1: somebody asking other questions? And did you ever hear the garbage?

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Speaker 1: Are you satisfied with MLB's punishment in the cheating scandal? No,

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Speaker 1: everyone's been doing for years. Don't blame us for being

425
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: better at finding ways around things than you. But I

426
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: would never apologize if I were them, And I don't

427
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: know my cobad is. I hate cheaters. I never cheat

428
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: at sports. I'm much rather lose than cheat, but I

429
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: always like looking for edges, but not to where you're

430
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: actually considered a cheater and breaking a role. So you

431
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with what the Astros did. Then

432
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: signs stealing is not cheating, but using video technology to

433
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: steal the signs is. But isn't that vague? Well, there's

434
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: nothing vague about banging on a garbage continuer, but that

435
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: isn't technology. The technology was the camera. Well, but the

436
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: camera gives you the information to then bang a drum.

437
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: And who knows if they didn't have buzz buzzers on

438
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: their uniforms. So let's say they had. Let's say the

439
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: Astros did this. Let's say they had. Okay, but let's

440
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: not I know, but let's say they removed the technology.

441
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: Let's say they had a guy in the bullpen and

442
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: he raised his right hand immediately when he saw the sign,

443
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: and then the guy in the clubhouse went and it

444
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: was all just physical and eyeballs. That would be considered

445
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: completely legal. Okay, what they were doing was legal until

446
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: they wanted to do it in real time with a

447
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: with a TV moundient. Yes, that's that's where they got greedy.

448
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: And I still think it's wrong. But it's weird that

449
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: you sign stealing is right in some ways and wrong

450
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: in some way. Yeah, I'm okay. If if if you're

451
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: trying to steal a sign or somebody doesn't have complicated

452
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: your third base coach you know, has the same indicator,

453
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: and then you'll go, you know, we know what they're doing. Now,

454
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: if that's something that you're do. You have guys. Every

455
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: team has at least one guy whose job is to

456
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: try to steal signs. Whether teams will admit this or not,

457
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: they have guys who have done this for decades and

458
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: they're really good at it. They'll watch the third base coach,

459
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, they'll try to steal you know, look in

460
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: for the catchers, the location that that happens. But this,

461
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean this was surveillance cameras here and then that

462
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: information to give that to somebody in real time. That's

463
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: where the Astros got cut. Look at the Astros records

464
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: prior to and then after they started cheating. This is

465
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: one hundred win team. Yeah, Paul, the three years before

466
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: the Astros started cheating. According to the report, they started

467
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen. In twenty fourteen seventy wins,

468
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: two fifteen eighty six wins, two sixteen eighty four wins.

469
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: They made the playoffs once. The next three seasons, they

470
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: won one hundred one games, one hundred and three games,

471
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven games and were first in the division.

472
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: They hadn't been first in the division since two thousand

473
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: and one. Yeah, good luck with that scandals strategy that

474
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: you're you're cheating strategy coming up. You know here in

475
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: spring training, we got nothing to say, We got nothing

476
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: to say. You're gonna hear a lot of that. Oh,

477
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: we've already addressed that we're moving on. We're moving on.

478
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we're not, but you are because I'm fascinated

479
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: by it, Like I truly am fascinated of the brainstorming.

480
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you said we'll bang

481
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: on a garbage can. Yea love, I disagree with this.

482
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: The Astros used what it's called asherball. They thanked for

483
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: five years, had five number one picks in a row,

484
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: and had a thirty game job, just like Paul's cuts.

485
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: It's exact same cheat. Well, they'd happened to cheat, but no, no, no, no,

486
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: you don't. But it's not an action to all their

487
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: number one picks hit hitten Age, you know the okay,

488
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: but then that's when you say we're going to be

489
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: a forced to be reckoned with here, Why did Carlos

490
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: Beltron and Alex Corrigo. You know, we got all these

491
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: number one pick but I think we need to cheat.

492
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it comes at a huge jump too.

493
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: Just that's that's how Tangan you have your number one

494
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: picks were accused of cheating. But there is logic to

495
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: say the Astros could have jumped in wins like you're

496
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: without chating. I know, but you're trying to validate that

497
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: the Astros got better. I'll give you that, But they

498
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: didn't have that huge up just because of cheating. I

499
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: would think maybe, I mean, they also happened to get good.

500
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: You already had a good team. It's like saying, Barry Bonds,

501
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: you're one of the great players of all time. Now

502
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna have you. Now you can do steroids, Now

503
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: you can hit thirty five home runs or you can

504
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: hit seventy. So my question is, so did they get

505
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: so much better in part because they they cray and

506
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: all those guys got older and better or are they

507
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: just cheating? Is that I'm curious, like what part was

508
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: cheating and what part was this age? I think they

509
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent there. Nobody's denying that. It

510
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: just makes you If you said to me the Reds

511
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: were cheating, I go, okay, I get it, and they're

512
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: trying to get an edge the Reds. This is the

513
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Astros who had all these picks, and by all accounts,

514
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: people were looking at this team and saying, you've got

515
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: a great team here, and then you decide you're going

516
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: to cheat. That's what it's hard to It's hard to

517
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: exonerate anybody in this situation by going, yeah, you know,

518
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: but those guys were young and they weren't quite great,

519
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: so we decided to get an edge. Yeah. Pull. If

520
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: I could ask if as a reporter anywhere and I

521
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: could ask the current red I'm sorry they ask us

522
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: players one question. If you guys didn't get caught seating

523
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: with the signs stealing, would you be doing it in

524
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Yes, or now, who stops something

525
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: that worked? Who stops insider trading when they before they

526
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: get you only get stopped. Yeah, you get stopped if

527
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: you get caught. I'd like to hear them explain why.

528
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: That's why when Andy Pettitt said had only use steroids

529
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: to get back because I was coming back from an injury, Okay, yeah,

530
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: I got it. So you stopped right after that? Okay,

531
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: I got at It's like, you know, bonds at seventy

532
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: three and then go, you know, I'm gonna stop. That

533
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Yeah, mclub, what about this? It's all Carlos

534
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Beltrans fault theory. Well, there's too much blame on one

535
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: guy here, because now all of a sudden, everybody is

536
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: the you know, the moral police here, and now, hey,

537
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I saw it happening. I try to stop it. I couldn't.

538
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I was only one man. I'm guessing if a majority

539
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: of the players didn't want this to continue, then they

540
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: would have said something about it. The one thing that

541
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised at. If I'm a picture and I

542
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: know something's going on, I would have thrown at somebody's

543
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: noggin and I would have said, hey, if you guys

544
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: want to continue to cheat, We're coming at you, and

545
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: no picture. I don't think every day. If you're on

546
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the mountain and you hear this and you send something's up, man,

547
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: I'd buzz the tower in a second with these guys.

548
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: You know the unwritten was of baseball? Yeah, McLean, Well

549
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: do you blame the Giants teammates whoknew Berry Bonds who

550
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: was taking steroids for not saying anything? You're not stepping in.

551
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: That's one guy. Now if you said that like the Rangers,

552
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: that was systemic. You had guys on the team that

553
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: we're cheating. So these pictures can't go Hey, those other

554
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: guys are cheating. You know they're using steroids. If you're

555
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: a pitcher and you knew your guys were cheating, you

556
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: don't get to say a word there unless you might

557
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: have been cheating too. But if it's a team wide

558
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: epidemic here, then that's different. But Shelley talks about it

559
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: all the time, and he had Nanny on his team

560
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: and Crat caught. I mean yeah, and look he knows

561
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: that he's talking out both sides of his mouth that

562
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: Manny cheated, and who knows who else on that team cheated. Yeah,

563
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: let's not kill anybody with this. You're looking for an edge.

564
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Everybody in life is working looking for an edge, everybody.

565
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it can be something simple of that stop sign.

566
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I never stop at the stop sign too. Hey, I'm

567
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: going to take an extra piece of this. Hey, nobody's

568
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna miss five dollars from the register. And then you

569
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: get it just you know, it's opportunity and then do

570
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: you have a moral compass there? And the Astros the

571
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: only right the reason why they're apologizing or at least

572
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: coming close to that they got caught because I don't

573
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: know how you think that you can keep this quiet

574
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: though with that many people involved. That's the amazing part

575
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: of this. And they were blatant about it, almost comical. Yeah, mccluging.

576
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: How much pressure is there on the Astros to new Boy,

577
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: there's a whole line. But they have a good team.

578
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: It's are they gonna win? Like? What is the over

579
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: under with the Astros in Vegas? Do they have them

580
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: winning a hundred games this year because they want a

581
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: hundred the last three years? Yeah? Po okay, But it

582
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: works both ways for the Astros that the Astros win

583
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and two games this year. Every want to say, oh,

584
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: what are they doing now? What's the thing they found? Now?

585
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: And if they win eighty one games, right, there's the

586
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: real Astros. And they really needed to cheat to say

587
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: they're in a no you know, pun no win situation.

588
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: So they want to get somewhere in the nineties five

589
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: part where it's like wow, okay, so it helped a little,

590
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: but do you want to get bounced in the wildcard round?

591
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: So now they're gonna throw some games because you don't

592
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: want to. We don't want to be too good. Hey

593
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: we're up, you know, five to two in the seventh. Hey,

594
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: can you bring in Skippy and see if he can

595
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: give up some runs? Here? We got to lose this game.

596
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: We can't be winning one. I haven't been ninety three

597
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: and a half. Oh who's going over Astro's ninety three?

598
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: And then yeah, bang the table if you okay? You know.

599
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: My favorite of this whole science Feeling story is the

600
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Mets lost their manager. They neither cheat it nor won

601
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: the World Series to benefit they're cheating, but they still

602
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: got lost their managers. There's nothing more Mets than that

603
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: to get punished for not winning anything. But they have

604
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: to be thrilled though, when they look at social media

605
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: and realize that they got out from underneath this carlos

606
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Veltron hiring. Yes, Todd, I think you gotta go under

607
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: ninety three only because they think they may end up

608
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: trying so hard to prove that they're still great without cheating,

609
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: and by overtrying somehow it's gonna be detrimental to their performance.

610
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: How do you try too hard? I just think it's

611
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind, like I better get

612
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: a certain amount of hits. We better, don't you should

613
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: try it? Like try too hard? Todd? Oh show, Really

614
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: you're taket a shot. I get a nice pace, Please

615
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: get degrees to keep you comfortable. But I'd like try it, Todd,

616
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: like trying too hard. I'm going to church, but I

617
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: used to do that in school. We just feel like

618
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: when you overstudy, when you you gotta know when to stop,

619
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and you're prepared, and you start pushing it too much

620
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: and then everything becomes confused. And I'm joking you actually

621
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: try too hard you do, which which often hurts the

622
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: show instead of the benefits. Yes, all right, we can

623
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: get in the Orioles at fifty five this year what

624
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: do you say the Tigers are fifty six? The two

625
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: of those seems to well below everything. And when your

626
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: win total is this street or a speed limit that

627
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: ain't good? The highest one I hear Yankees a one

628
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: to one and a half. I think everybody should hold

629
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: up the fifty five mile speed limit. For the Orioles.

630
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: That should be their logo this year. They should be

631
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: cheated by the way, not as the Astros that ballot.

632
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: I actually I felt sorry for the for the Orioles

633
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: last year, like I watched a little more Baltimore baseball

634
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: than I should have, but I just felt like I

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Speaker 1: You haven't told my dream, but go ahead with a

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Speaker 1: everybody about my very very deep dream and I had

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Speaker 1: last night about it. An NBA the former NBA player

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Speaker 1: and coach, Can our side of the Glass named three

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Speaker 1: current Orioles shoot the glass? No, it can't. You got

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Speaker 1: Chris Davis? Are you sure? I think Chris is still

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Speaker 1: on there? You're correct? That's one okay, eighteen season? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's real quiet aware, Yeah it is, Mickeleven. I would

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Speaker 1: just thinking, can our side of the glass name ten

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Speaker 1: MLB managers? Is another game that I'm hired? It we

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Speaker 1: could not do? No, no, I no idea. Ron Rennicky,

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Speaker 1: Yeah for the Orel Right, they gave him an interim tag.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Hey, we want to find out

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Speaker 1: exactly how we're going to be punished here. I thought

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Speaker 1: they were gonna hire Jason Varitek to be their manager. No,

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Speaker 1: like full time, take away the interim unless Ron Rennicky goes. Hey,

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Speaker 1: put the interim tag. And I don't know how long

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Speaker 1: I want to stay around here. Any other Orioles that

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Speaker 1: you can mention, God question. Ron Rennicky was not an

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Speaker 1: Oriole like how many long, long long time ago. No,

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Speaker 1: Rich Rennicky and the Renickys are like the Sutters of

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Speaker 1: the MLB. I didn't even realize it. Who's my catcher

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Speaker 1: with the Orioles who was great in the College World Series.

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Speaker 1: He went to like, yeah, he's there. Isn't he No

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Speaker 1: Matt Waterers in there? No? Oh no, no, it's the

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Speaker 1: number one pick that they had. No, no, no, didn't

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Speaker 1: they have the guy who left handed batter might have

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Speaker 1: been a switch hitter catcher. I had their catchers as Severino,

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Speaker 1: Cisco and Wins. It's that's a law firm right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking. I just read the roster and I still

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Speaker 1: can't name two asks. Wait. I thought they had the

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Speaker 1: kid from like Oregon State or something. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: give me some more names on the Orioles roster. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Davis Albert too. All right, this is this is all right.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break here. Play of the Day is

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Speaker 1: coming up next. Is there a Ripken on there? No?

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Speaker 1: Is Keko Garcia on that. I'm looking. I wanted it

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Speaker 1: for you and I could give you the whole eighty

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Speaker 1: three Oriols lineup right now. Okay, Well, cal ripkin a

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Speaker 1: short stop. Keko Garcia was in that mix. Heady Murray

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Speaker 1: at first Rich second Rich Hours second, Gary Rennicky and

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Speaker 1: left field. I thought he platooned one where he was

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Speaker 1: at the um. What said Ken's old? Yep, you guys

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Speaker 1: got almost all of them. So when Palm or Dennis

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Speaker 1: and Tippy Martinez, Mike Flanagan, who caught on that team?

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Speaker 1: You got dan Ford and right field, Paul Blair, dan

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Speaker 1: Ford with the open States, I could do d left field,

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Speaker 1: John let it be low. I'm always right, Earl Weaver,

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Speaker 1: Storm Davis. He's thirteen and seven storm Day A good

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Speaker 1: name for a weather man. That team beat my Phillies.

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Speaker 1: That's why I remember the week. Yeah, I remember that.

695
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Speaker 1: I remember that. All right, we'll take a break. I'll

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Speaker 1: general manager. I wonder if this man will be happy

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Speaker 1: new Frontiers. Yes, point, that last song we just played

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Speaker 1: was it's called dire Maker. I think it's different. It's

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Speaker 1: not dire Maker, right, I'm just going by how it's spelled.

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Speaker 1: I don't I've heard that song for years, and I

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Speaker 1: always liked that led Zeppelin song, and I never knew

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Speaker 1: what the name of it was or the origin was. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think it's either pronounced dire maker or Jamaica as

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Speaker 1: something that I've heard it's not dire Maker, I don't think,

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Speaker 1: a Duffy Dyer who was a catcher for the Pirates,

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Speaker 1: and I always think of dire Maker. And then I

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Speaker 1: had a Zeppelin fan who corrected me and it says

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Speaker 1: it was like deer Maker, yes seed. I think you're

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Speaker 1: pretty good, can you Yes? I can you Dan? Having

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Speaker 1: seen Zeppelin in concert, dire Maker Dan, Really No, it's

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Speaker 1: jer Maker, yes boy. Robert Plant, in an interview in

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Speaker 1: two thousand five, said he explained that the title is

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Speaker 1: derived from an old joke where two friends had a

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Speaker 1: which sounds like jam maker knows she wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: And they kind of took some old joke that they

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Speaker 1: Jamaicer No, she wanted wanted to go, And then they

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Speaker 1: mixed in some reggae because they would just win to

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Speaker 1: Jamaica on a trip at the band. Okay, so it's

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Speaker 1: not dire Maker, right, Jermaker. I like dire Maker. They

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Speaker 1: should have stuck with that good song. Though. I was

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Speaker 1: spot on when I told you about this switch it

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Speaker 1: and catcher. The Orioles had ad Lee Rutchman in the

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Speaker 1: otta Oregon State. Yeah, we failed you on that one.

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Speaker 1: I failed myself because I thought, I'm oh, I know

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Speaker 1: they have a switch hitting catcher that they took number

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Speaker 1: one I think out of Oregon State. And I remember

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Speaker 1: watching the College World Series with this kid. That's unusual.

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Speaker 1: Switch hitting catch it'sn't that unusual. I feel like Ted Simmons,

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Speaker 1: Ted Simmons, switching and catcher, you don't have too many

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Speaker 1: who was a first round pick I think with the Reds,

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Speaker 1: and his name I think was Marlins Styles. He was

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Speaker 1: a left handed catcher, and you don't see many left

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Speaker 1: handed catchers because there's so many right handed batters. And

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Speaker 1: the back of the helmets. Yeah, poy Yeah. Marlin Styles

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Speaker 1: drafted by the Reds in the fifth round of the

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Speaker 1: draft out of aich In High school. Yeah, Sincinnati played

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Speaker 1: against him. He never got to the BIGS, but he

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Speaker 1: played like seven years in minor league baseball. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I worry about taking catcher number one because if he's awesome,

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Speaker 1: then you're gonna move him off catcher anyway because you

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Speaker 1: don't want to wear him down as a catcher. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you have somebody like Yadi or Molina, if you

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Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, we look at you with your

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Speaker 1: numbers at that position, and that can separate you because

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Speaker 1: if you go to first base, you're not gonna put

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Speaker 1: up You may not put up the power numbers of

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Speaker 1: other first basemen there, but you're not You're gonna extend

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Speaker 1: your career. You know, a draft like a Yadia Malina

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Speaker 1: number one, like you get no. But if I could

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Speaker 1: Yaudi or Malina if I had a number one pick.

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Speaker 1: But if you're a team, you're thinking you're a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer, why would defensive minded catcher? You know that's

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Speaker 1: not who you take number one. Most of my catchers

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Speaker 1: are defension minded, since that's what but ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: and then the other part, you know, whatever you get offensively.

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Speaker 1: Can't you get that later in the draft? Do you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, don't you wants up sexy

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Speaker 1: like an a Rod with a number one pick? Because

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Speaker 1: somebody's going to hit a lot of home runs? But

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Speaker 1: like a Rod. I mean, I prefer not to like

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Speaker 1: j Loo, But I guess how can he if he's

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Speaker 1: How much time I only have like you hadn't I

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a hint on my

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