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Speaker 1: you stand with on X Spencer, What was the point?
Speaker 1: You're just making a lot of like books legally allow
Speaker 1: you to shoot a male turkey based on the appearance,
Speaker 1: with children's books like regulation books, yes, as we call
Speaker 1: him Spencer allow you to fill a male turkey tag
Speaker 1: based on the presence of a beard or spurs either
Speaker 1: or Yeah. So what I'm saying is, can you imagine
Speaker 1: like being out in the woods and have a turkey
Speaker 1: combined like no beard, no fan, not that that's like
Speaker 1: an indication, but not a legal one. But then because
Speaker 1: there are times with no spurs and the times and
Speaker 1: no beards. Yeah, so I I can't imagine a scenario
Speaker 1: where you'd be like shooting him off the spurs. There
Speaker 1: it is spurs legal bird. The reason I made you
Speaker 1: remake that point is we're just talking to this feller
Speaker 1: about hunting oscillated turkeys. So for you knuckle heads at home,
Speaker 1: all that there are. We've covered this a bi zillion times.
Speaker 1: The regular old American wild turkey. There's five sort of
Speaker 1: like you know, there's five what some people like to
Speaker 1: call subspecies of the regular old American wild turkey. Rattle
Speaker 1: him off, yohnnie. Uh. Starting down in the southwest the
Speaker 1: Wolds turkey. Moving over to the southeast and most of
Speaker 1: the eastern part of the country you have the Eastern
Speaker 1: but down in the southeast tip of or southern I
Speaker 1: guess end of Florida you have the Osceola and then
Speaker 1: in the central part and into the mountains we have
Speaker 1: the Rio Grand turkeys and the Merriam's turkeys. Man, it
Speaker 1: was a great, great job. I like that little thing
Speaker 1: where you uh skipped over a bunch of the country
Speaker 1: then doubled back. You went like west to east and
Speaker 1: then doubled back. Well, I started, but I went south
Speaker 1: and stayed in the south, oh yeah, and then came
Speaker 1: up the east the counter you're starting in the south
Speaker 1: south going counterclockwise. I like it. Uh. Anyways, there's a thing.
Speaker 1: There's another whole other species of turkey, which is kind
Speaker 1: of like a turkey and a peacock had sex the
Speaker 1: oscillated turkey, which lives in yucatan Um areas of Central America, Guatemala.
Speaker 1: I think they got him in U does Belize, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think people hun him in Belize oscillated turkeys. Anyways,
Speaker 1: dude was telling me there's two ways. Like the oscillatord
Speaker 1: turkey lives out in the jungle, low jungle, not like
Speaker 1: high canopy monkey jungle, but low jungle. And a lot
Speaker 1: of times people go down and hunt him in the fields.
Speaker 1: They just like slash and burn egg. And people like
Speaker 1: the oscillated turkeys in the fields. The reason he was
Speaker 1: telling me they like the oscillated turkeys in the fields,
Speaker 1: it's because you can see their footwear because these things
Speaker 1: have some obscene spurs. Footwear meaning you want to see
Speaker 1: how a giant in their spurs. And if he's out
Speaker 1: in the field, you can actually judge them. You can
Speaker 1: judge trophy, judge them. Real limb hangers. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: see if he's got limb hangers or not. Well, I
Speaker 1: think every single one of those buggers has limb hangers.
Speaker 1: Some of them just like wrap around the limb. Uh too,
Speaker 1: so far there could be more. So far who have
Speaker 1: the guess who've been on this show. Jim Halflfinger and
Speaker 1: Tommy Edson have overcome the dreaded COVID nineteen that got
Speaker 1: me thinking, have been afflicted and persevered. Tommy Edson said
Speaker 1: it was the second sick as he's ever been, so
Speaker 1: I promptly called him to ask him about what the
Speaker 1: first was. But uh, helfle Finger, he barely knew he
Speaker 1: was sick, but got sick, and that got be wondering,
Speaker 1: is it like is being on this show? And like
Speaker 1: so E should do some math. Is there a higher
Speaker 1: likelihood that higher than national higher? You know what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say? Does it does being on the show?
Speaker 1: I mean that there's a higher likelihood that you get
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen you're in a high risk group, or or
Speaker 1: does it match the general the population in general? Like
Speaker 1: what percent of Americans? Do we have a representative sample?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get at. I Um, I
Speaker 1: want it, man, I just want to get it over with. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you very well good already had it. That's
Speaker 1: what happened to him. He went down and took Jim
Speaker 1: Heffelfinger went Tommy edn't just got sick of ship, and
Speaker 1: he found out he had because he got the test.
Speaker 1: Heffelfinger was just curious if he'd had it, got the
Speaker 1: thing and realized he'd had it a long time ago.
Speaker 1: My wife got real mad when I said I'd volunteer
Speaker 1: to get it. Yeah. I got a friend. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say who, one of the individuals that I'm
Speaker 1: talking about right here. I was saying that in his view,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the risk of overwhelming the healthcare system,
Speaker 1: he says, I think we should all be licking door knobbs.
Speaker 1: But he says he's been very protective of his mother
Speaker 1: because she's older and he wants her to hold up.
Speaker 1: But he said she's got a bunch of coupons burning
Speaker 1: a hole in her pocket. He wants to get down
Speaker 1: to the start with your cupons before the EXPIRER. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. I want it, though I mean I don't want.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be more, but I just want
Speaker 1: to Like, no, I want to get it and no.
Speaker 1: I was speaking with a friend of mine, Yes your day,
Speaker 1: and um coworker of his, uh has the antibody has
Speaker 1: had it? Has been uh in you know in quarantine
Speaker 1: with her family, young children, and nobody else in her
Speaker 1: family got it. I bet they got it, but it
Speaker 1: didn't show the same thing with Tommy, Like no, but
Speaker 1: they didn't show antibodies or oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she just floats around in the air for like
Speaker 1: nine months. Man, I think it gets Obviously we wouldn't
Speaker 1: quite have this thing nailed down. You know what, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up being one of those guys that
Speaker 1: we heard about in Turkey Camp last week that it
Speaker 1: in the dirt, well, not only that, but it's six
Speaker 1: three months later, he's still you know, suffering and lungs
Speaker 1: aren't feeling too good. That's a that's a risk. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, Okay, I'm gonna trying. I want to like
Speaker 1: put some brackets around what I'm saying. I don't want
Speaker 1: to then become I don't want to then infect people
Speaker 1: who don't want to be infected all this. If I could,
Speaker 1: if I could go to my fist, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If I could go to my fish shack with a
Speaker 1: little vial of spit from Tommy Edson spit and from
Speaker 1: then right, I'd go to my fish shack by myself,
Speaker 1: drink Tommy Edson spit and then wait till I have whatever,
Speaker 1: wait for two weeks and go home. I would do
Speaker 1: it just just to know. I even have like in
Speaker 1: my notes, I have a thing like when I envisioned
Speaker 1: me and like it. You know, that's saving Private Ryan
Speaker 1: where they're real bad crowd. They're getting at um. They're
Speaker 1: like in that knife fight and he's like, I stab
Speaker 1: it near throat and then the knife turns. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stamb it near throat and he gets the
Speaker 1: knife turns like I gonna starthroat, right, and they go
Speaker 1: back and forth like that. I imagine me and it
Speaker 1: in a battle like that, and I like to think
Speaker 1: eventually I would turn it into his throat. I have
Speaker 1: to know I have. It's like I gotta know, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure like everybody, I had this real weird
Speaker 1: sickness when I went down to California. It was just
Speaker 1: not feeling right, um for the you know, three days
Speaker 1: I was down there. You're saying everybody in December, right,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I'm on like the part of me
Speaker 1: that's like, boy, i feel like I've already got it
Speaker 1: because that was just a weird thing that I don't
Speaker 1: feel like that too early, not for cases in California.
Speaker 1: You know, I heard a rumor. It just a rumors,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to say too much, but I
Speaker 1: heard a rumor that you and I were at a
Speaker 1: place at a gathering. Yeah, that bad back in mid February,
Speaker 1: and there have been cases traced to the gathering that
Speaker 1: you and I were at. I bet, I bet a
Speaker 1: large gathering. Every wildlife related gathering in the in the
Speaker 1: US all happens February in March. Yeah, And every every
Speaker 1: state agency person that I've been speaking with in the
Speaker 1: last couple of months, which is a lot, they're always like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this conference that we had six biologists at that all
Speaker 1: flew back home, had X amount of confirmed cases. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on. I'm ready to move on
Speaker 1: in more ways than one. I'm ready to move on,
Speaker 1: and let's talk about a new thing. I'm but I
Speaker 1: want to finish it with I hope that you don't
Speaker 1: get it, because I don't think you're fully thinking it through.
Speaker 1: I know you want to have that that knife battle
Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen, but I hope you don't get it
Speaker 1: and you had to live one mean what it would
Speaker 1: be like. I hope you don't get it, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to get it. I'm perfectly fine. I want
Speaker 1: to get it if I knew that it wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be that bad kind of like I want to get scratched.
Speaker 1: I want to get mildly scratch that other bracket your time, grizzly. Ah.
Speaker 1: There's a new trend, a new shooting sports trend. If
Speaker 1: you if you want to see on top about going
Speaker 1: and I'm on Instagram, go on Instagram at Steven Ronnella,
Speaker 1: ste v and Ronella um and you'll see a video
Speaker 1: I just put up of Uh. People have always gone
Speaker 1: out onto public land or you know, areas, and through
Speaker 1: garbage everywhere and dumped appliances and computer monitors and what
Speaker 1: have you and beer cans and shot them all to hell.
Speaker 1: It's always happened. It's always been horrible, but it's always happened.
Speaker 1: There's a new thing of that. You go out to
Speaker 1: public land and do all the normal stuff. You still
Speaker 1: dump all your garbage, you still dump all your beer cans,
Speaker 1: you shoot them all the hell. You don't pick them up.
Speaker 1: You strew paper everywhere. Don't pick any of that up
Speaker 1: shell casings everywhere, don't pick that up light, junk on
Speaker 1: fire all that. But the new thing is there's an
Speaker 1: added thing of shooting trees over. Have you seen this?
Speaker 1: I saw it on your video that you post and
Speaker 1: we how many places have we seen shot trees shot
Speaker 1: over this spring? No, two regions, multiple locations, Oh sure,
Speaker 1: multiple locations within those spots in those zones. I probably
Speaker 1: in the one location, I probably saw a half dozen places. No,
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I think it was more than a
Speaker 1: half dozen places where people had more than a half
Speaker 1: dozen clusters of trees where people had engaged in trees
Speaker 1: shooting over. And I gather it's just like every time
Speaker 1: you go out, every time you get a couple of
Speaker 1: dollars saved up, you buy enough Ammo to go and
Speaker 1: whittle away at the tree some more. Well, yeah, it
Speaker 1: saves you money on not having to buy the targets
Speaker 1: or beer having beer. Can No, I think that it's
Speaker 1: not because they're putting targets on the trees. It looked
Speaker 1: like they are deliberately do. What I'm saying is if
Speaker 1: you don't have a target, you just use the tree.
Speaker 1: At and shoot trees over, but you'd have to be
Speaker 1: buying some serious bulk ammo oh. It's a long term
Speaker 1: project engaged by groups of people, is shooting trees over.
Speaker 1: It is the ugliest, ugliest thing. It gives such a
Speaker 1: black like this garbage dumping public land. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: opposed I shoot him, but every time we go to shoot,
Speaker 1: we shoot on public land. Typically clean your junk up. Man.
Speaker 1: I told you that it's like humiliating. It's humiliating to
Speaker 1: be to see it and have to be like, that's
Speaker 1: a version of me. That's like a dude. It likes
Speaker 1: to shoot. He likes to hunt, maybe, but he also
Speaker 1: likes to just ship up the woods. The Spencer took
Speaker 1: us out to a chunk of state ground not too
Speaker 1: far from here. I've been out there a couple of
Speaker 1: times to shoot, and there's typically always somebody shooting out there.
Speaker 1: But I always, you know, build my uh cardboard box
Speaker 1: target uh and go through all the hassle of wandering
Speaker 1: over there and picking it back up. Well, now the
Speaker 1: box is absolutely necessary because I have to go pick
Speaker 1: up everybody else's crap. You come home with your box, well,
Speaker 1: everybody else's junk yeah, I mean it's it was shocking.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, just like you were saying before
Speaker 1: I cut you off, is I'm just a person shooting,
Speaker 1: as is everybody else who's driving on that road, and
Speaker 1: it's right next to the road. I'm indistinguishable from the
Speaker 1: next person. And if they ever stopped, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: Holy ship, these people are pigs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just it's bad. It's so bad. The reason you
Speaker 1: gotta be extra careful with your garbage when you go
Speaker 1: shooting is because I imagine. Okay, let's say you you
Speaker 1: found the last ten people who totally shifted up one
Speaker 1: of these tree shooting over areas, and you you uh,
Speaker 1: surveyed them somehow or interviewed them. I bet you if
Speaker 1: they had gone to a pristine place that wasn't shifted up,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have shifted it up. They wouldn't have shouted up.
Speaker 1: There's certainly less less likely too. But the minute someone
Speaker 1: goes and leaves all their trash and their casings laying
Speaker 1: everywhere and tries to shoot a tree down, the next
Speaker 1: mug that goes there, it's like, oh, I guess this
Speaker 1: is just one of those spots and what's the difference.
Speaker 1: Now there's there's no other way. Like the video I
Speaker 1: put on Instagram doesn't even begin. That went on for
Speaker 1: hundreds of yards. Yeah, that's it. That's an exaggeration. That
Speaker 1: went on for two hundred yards, a lot of lead
Speaker 1: land in the ground. I didn't have enough film to
Speaker 1: film it all. Maybe we should uh inquire and see
Speaker 1: if there's maybe some like old dumps that you know,
Speaker 1: many portions of dumps aren't being used anymore for you know,
Speaker 1: regular dumping, and then we could steer these people to
Speaker 1: go to the dump. You go to the dump to shoot, well,
Speaker 1: you go to a gravel pit. It's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to mess up a gravel pit. Like a gravel it's
Speaker 1: already messed up. I like what you're saying, though, yeah
Speaker 1: on us, because then you'd be like, if you can't
Speaker 1: bear to part with your trash without shooting, here's a
Speaker 1: lane for you at the county dump. At the count
Speaker 1: pull in the way your truck. They're like, if you're shooting,
Speaker 1: go shoot over there where they could charge you for
Speaker 1: a busted TV, like they make a little extra money,
Speaker 1: and be like her, you want a TV, take this
Speaker 1: one dollars. You can go to the dump and buy
Speaker 1: garbage from the dump to shoot up, pick up glad,
Speaker 1: whatever you want, and they every week that his bulldoze
Speaker 1: it back into a dumpster and everybody gets to shoot garbage,
Speaker 1: and they can put old dead trees up and people
Speaker 1: can shoot him over. I think that we you know
Speaker 1: what I want to do. There's a local little river
Speaker 1: access site that I wanted to do a clean up on.
Speaker 1: I would rather because I feel more like um complicit
Speaker 1: as a as a person that goes and shoots, that
Speaker 1: uses public lands to shoot. I don't want shooting on
Speaker 1: public lands to become illegal. That would be a real
Speaker 1: pain in the ass. I think that we should start
Speaker 1: a thing and now and then go to an area
Speaker 1: that's been totally shifted up. I got so many ideas
Speaker 1: of where to do this go to and also some
Speaker 1: of its wire houser land. We just found some wire
Speaker 1: houser land that have been like basically just like like
Speaker 1: completely desecrated by recreational shooters. And it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: for a place like wire Houser to be like you
Speaker 1: know what, man, We're done no more. For those not aware,
Speaker 1: wire Houser is one of the largest landowners in the US,
Speaker 1: and they're pretty good about access. It's a private entity,
Speaker 1: it's a um timber company, and yeah, historically very good
Speaker 1: about access. If I was the CEO of wire Housing
Speaker 1: and I had to be driving down the road around
Speaker 1: talking about I'd be like, you know what, I don't care, man,
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, that's it. Very good about access, to
Speaker 1: the point that a lot of people who recreate on
Speaker 1: wire houser land just think that it's us for a
Speaker 1: service land. Yeah, some guys we were just recently walking
Speaker 1: down a road on wire houser land. It's a sign
Speaker 1: very clearly expressing all more no motorized anything. So it's
Speaker 1: like they gotta sign ups like it's got a quad
Speaker 1: runner with a slash through it, it's got a truck
Speaker 1: with a slash through it. It's got a motorcycle with
Speaker 1: a slash through it. It's got a snow will be
Speaker 1: able to slash through it. A couple of days after
Speaker 1: you were there, I parked in front of that gate.
Speaker 1: It's like like it had recently rained. I didn't see
Speaker 1: any fresh tracks cutting and there oh no, and the
Speaker 1: greater had gone down the main road and I didn't
Speaker 1: see any tracks, and it was pretty early in the morning.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any tracks cutting the edge of the
Speaker 1: greater you know, and uh something, just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: just parking front of the gate, and I'll keep If
Speaker 1: anybody's thinking about driving up there, they all they can't go,
Speaker 1: and I'll be up there by myself. Well, sure enough,
Speaker 1: I'm up there. I've been hiking already for probably close
Speaker 1: to two hours, and here comes a little side by
Speaker 1: side really yeah, so they're cool. They drove me down
Speaker 1: and moved the truck, and they drove me back up
Speaker 1: so I could continue hunting. But they worked for a
Speaker 1: wire houser, just breaking the law, just like what you're described. Well,
Speaker 1: this gate that had been left open, but there was
Speaker 1: no mistaking what was supposed to happen here. We hiked
Speaker 1: up it and I come to an old four service truck.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's weird, like old, like a you know,
Speaker 1: eighties four service truck. And I thought like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they have maybe wire house I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: they bought bolt four service trucks and their guys use them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So eventually here comes a couple of
Speaker 1: guys ripping down the road on motorbikes, and then I
Speaker 1: realized that they drove their motorbikes in in the truck.
Speaker 1: So they load their motorbikes up and then I'm walking
Speaker 1: all the hell way back down the road and they
Speaker 1: pull up and asked I want to ride, and I said,
Speaker 1: you guys work here, and he looks at me like,
Speaker 1: what in the world are you talking about? And I said,
Speaker 1: because you're not. I'm not gonna get in because you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to drive here. Like they're super like wire
Speaker 1: houses are super clear about that. And it looked at
Speaker 1: me like I was like a Martian, look like, who
Speaker 1: is this wire houser? The gates open? Bro, didn't you see? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just kills me. Anyways, I think it's a good
Speaker 1: project and this would be something you should spearhead cal
Speaker 1: We should um develop a thing we're now, and then
Speaker 1: we take a day off of work. I'm tracking so far,
Speaker 1: go on, take it off work and go to places
Speaker 1: where people have shot the hell out of the area
Speaker 1: and clean up everything the trees that have been shot over,
Speaker 1: cut them down off at the ground, cut the rest
Speaker 1: of it up into stove wood, and uh, totally spit
Speaker 1: shine that place. Then we can have a little leave
Speaker 1: behind sign or something that says this place spit shined,
Speaker 1: keep it spit shined. Yeah, I like I would love
Speaker 1: to do. We talked about this on the last podcast,
Speaker 1: so right talked about cleaning up. Actually we have been
Speaker 1: to Missoula and seeing that. Well, do we talk about
Speaker 1: shooting trees over? Yeah? We did, because yeah, a little bit,
Speaker 1: that's all right, that's a message worth pounding twice. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it just interesting up there because it's
Speaker 1: obvious been going on long enough and then seeing enough
Speaker 1: of it that there already was a forest service sign
Speaker 1: that said no shooting of trees. As if you like
Speaker 1: an actual sign like a commission, have a effing sign
Speaker 1: to know you're not supposed to shoot trees. They shoot
Speaker 1: him over at about chest height chess net hite because
Speaker 1: they're standing. And every young man when he gets his
Speaker 1: first axe and he's kind of cut loose, what do
Speaker 1: you go do? Chopped trees down? Right? And then you
Speaker 1: get reprimanded for chopping green trees down? Most people, I
Speaker 1: think that's around when you're seven or eight years old exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't think seven and eight year olds are driving up. No,
Speaker 1: that's the point I'm getting to, buddy, they missed that lesson.
Speaker 1: We we had a game as kids. Remember there's there
Speaker 1: used to be a show. None of you guys remember this.
Speaker 1: There's a show called Name that Tune. I remember how
Speaker 1: it went. But somehow, like there was like a thing
Speaker 1: where you go, like the whole st names Bill or whatever.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, Bill, I can name that tune in
Speaker 1: five notes, and then they must like play I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. They play five notes, and you'd
Speaker 1: say what it is? I wish I could remember the
Speaker 1: details better. Anyways, we had a version we'd call chop
Speaker 1: that tree, and you would, uh, you would have an
Speaker 1: axe or what have you, and you look out the
Speaker 1: sassafrast tree or something. You'd say, Matt, I think I
Speaker 1: can chop that tree in five swings. And then you
Speaker 1: see if you could do it, And we do it
Speaker 1: sort of to the rhythm and cadence of name that
Speaker 1: tune shooting over a tree. Like never never ever crossed
Speaker 1: my mind. And I was talking to cal in December
Speaker 1: and I asked him I could borrow his steel chainsaw
Speaker 1: to harvest a Christmas tree, and he said well, well,
Speaker 1: you don't want to use your twelve game you don't
Speaker 1: have a gun. Yeah. We used to do Christmas tree
Speaker 1: hunting every year and uh we would take my ten
Speaker 1: gage shotgun and uh, select a nice Christmas tree. What
Speaker 1: that diameter would the trunk be? When when you're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, just like Charlie Brown cherees, you know, what's
Speaker 1: the best load shot size for that project? Whatever you got,
Speaker 1: but like three yeah, no more than that? Yeah right,
Speaker 1: A lot of times you could get it in one shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what range? Oh? Real close? Like ten feet
Speaker 1: and under. You know, when we did our Christmas special,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of emails, like I think there's
Speaker 1: three from people whose tradition is to shoot trees down
Speaker 1: to bring them home. That's different because at least you
Speaker 1: shoot it down for a purpose. It's different than shooting
Speaker 1: down eighteen inch diameter ponder roses. And how cleaning a
Speaker 1: cup would that be when you were done? Cal Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a little trim work involved, and it
Speaker 1: looked like someone shotow of the shotgun. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I had, you know, one of those real tight strangler
Speaker 1: choke tubes on the ten gauge, and yeah, that I
Speaker 1: mean it, it'll it'll drop a tree. Oh, Brodie, work,
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be calculating out what gauge of four
Speaker 1: ten is? Well, we talked about I never did the
Speaker 1: can let's figure it out. We're gonna get to uh
Speaker 1: tree shooting down. Talked about that. You know it's al
Speaker 1: asshole trees down. Talk about um oh okay, next thing
Speaker 1: I want to jump into, Spencer, can you review for
Speaker 1: us what happened when you called the man the morrel man? Yes,
Speaker 1: and least be buying it. The last podcast, we talked
Speaker 1: about Ronaldo or the San Francisco State University student that
Speaker 1: figured out how to grow Morale's but then was murdered
Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances or not or not right he cracked
Speaker 1: the code of Morales, was murdered before his patent was granted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: My theory was that it was a hit job by
Speaker 1: Little Caesar's right, right, because he had a lucrative contract
Speaker 1: with Dominoes. So it was Jimmy John's or Dave Thomas
Speaker 1: or somebody you know, it was after him. Nobody had
Speaker 1: been able to crack soon now my little Caesar's. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like Alex Jones, I'll be
Speaker 1: getting sued by people for so for forty years, no
Speaker 1: one has cracked this code on how to grow morale's
Speaker 1: like Ronald Oer did O R R O E R
Speaker 1: I think oh R excuse me O W E R
Speaker 1: O A Ronald Oer. Uh. But recently some articles out
Speaker 1: of Iowa and some some news stations have covered this. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some newspapers have covered this. A mushroom farmer there claims
Speaker 1: to have figured out how to grow morale mushrooms. And
Speaker 1: this spring he harvested about a hundred pounds, he said,
Speaker 1: And this is after a decade's worth of efforts. And
Speaker 1: so I was going to try to track him down
Speaker 1: and talk to him about what his process is. If
Speaker 1: he's scared for his life, those sorts of things they
Speaker 1: track him down. Uh. And your your question, Steve, you said,
Speaker 1: when you talk to him asking this, why are they
Speaker 1: so hard to grow? So I asked him that, Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a great answer. So then I went
Speaker 1: to the internet. The Internet doesn't have a great answer either.
Speaker 1: But basically what he said and what the rest of
Speaker 1: the Internet agrees with, is that it just takes very,
Speaker 1: very very specific conditions it takes the perfect soil moisture,
Speaker 1: the perfect humidity, the perfect like air temperature, all those
Speaker 1: things to make this happen. It's and then say we're
Speaker 1: growing carrots. Look well, So then like the specifics of
Speaker 1: this are amplified when you have to also have a
Speaker 1: tree involved. So then you're like, you're like working with
Speaker 1: two things. You're trying to make things perfect for the
Speaker 1: mushroom as well as uh, you know because of symbio
Speaker 1: work with this ya symbiotic relationship that it has with
Speaker 1: the tree. So those two things just kind of compound
Speaker 1: the difficulties of growing him around mushroom. I'll buy that
Speaker 1: part about the tree part for sure. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: asked me, I said, what is your process? Like, can
Speaker 1: we scare ahead as he's scared for his life? He's not.
Speaker 1: He was aware, he's aware of Ronald oer Um. He
Speaker 1: has looked at the patent. Nothing in his process is
Speaker 1: inspired by the patent um. So there's no relationship here
Speaker 1: between Ronald Ower's like growing strategy and his. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the man, I mean the powerful pizza lobby or the
Speaker 1: underground underworld, I mean they might still get him. This
Speaker 1: is also something ask and I said, their business interests
Speaker 1: at this point, he said, yes, but nothing that he
Speaker 1: is acting on at this point. His name is Josh Osborne.
Speaker 1: Oh you're allowed to say his name. I mean that
Speaker 1: newspapers covered it is Blues Blues best mushrooms out of Iowa. Um,
Speaker 1: he said. His process is actually not um like that
Speaker 1: unique to growing mushrooms. It's very similar to what you
Speaker 1: do with other mushrooms that you cultivate. Starts with spores
Speaker 1: in a peetree dish. From there, yeah, once he once.
Speaker 1: He in this lab environment, the spores and the petrie dish,
Speaker 1: the my celium starts to grow. The my celium is
Speaker 1: what the little white fibers that live in tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I under like if you imagine, uh, this isn't
Speaker 1: a great just a little bit helpful. Imagine that you
Speaker 1: have an apple tree. The my celium is the apple
Speaker 1: tree living underground, and then the morales are the apples
Speaker 1: which has happened to form at the earth surface. That's
Speaker 1: a great analogy. You like that? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: very helpful when you're thinking about often get criticized. It's
Speaker 1: from my analogies and I like that one. So my
Speaker 1: wife doesn't well, this one's appropriate, doesn't like spores in
Speaker 1: a petrie dish, which then turned into mycelium. The mycelium
Speaker 1: is transferred to a eight by eight inch plastic bag.
Speaker 1: From there, once the mycelium has grown a bit more,
Speaker 1: I got distracted thinking about Uh, analogies have annoyed my wife.
Speaker 1: Can you back up one step? So it starts with
Speaker 1: the morale mushroom spores in a petree dish. Those spores
Speaker 1: turn into my celium. He then takes and transfers the
Speaker 1: mycelium from the petrie dish to a plastic bag. So
Speaker 1: you now have the mycelium in a plastic bag. Once
Speaker 1: it develops a bit more in this plastic bag, he
Speaker 1: then takes it out to his field where he's going
Speaker 1: to grow these morales. And there are three things that
Speaker 1: he's done in three things that have success. You can
Speaker 1: dump the contents of the bag onto the ground. You
Speaker 1: could dig a hole and dump the contents of the
Speaker 1: bag into that hole. Or you could dig a hole
Speaker 1: and put the entire bag in the ground. He said,
Speaker 1: all three have worked for him. Well, how do they
Speaker 1: get into the bag? Well, I assume the bag is
Speaker 1: open or ventilated or something. You know, the cat out
Speaker 1: of the bag. He does this process in the fall,
Speaker 1: and there's got to be some stuff that he's not
Speaker 1: telling you, certainly, And why would he like It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a soaking it beer. He's got like a little
Speaker 1: go for something that I'm a stranger calling him to
Speaker 1: ask him for his greatest alconic spot in the world.
Speaker 1: That's so, how exactly are you? Yep? Yep? So that's
Speaker 1: the process. Yeah, what is he doing about? What is
Speaker 1: he doing about the symbiosis that needs to occur between
Speaker 1: this mysterious mushroom and the trees that it likes to
Speaker 1: grow near. No tree necessary for his process, that's what
Speaker 1: he's saying. Maybe the tree, it's like the petrick maybe helps,
Speaker 1: it's the petri dish. Yeah, So he does this in
Speaker 1: the fall, and he said, it's not so much about
Speaker 1: the process leading up to it. For him, it's that
Speaker 1: he has cracked the cold for the perfect timing to
Speaker 1: do this and having the perfect amount of shade, the
Speaker 1: proper amount of blocking the wind um, the proper temperature
Speaker 1: to maintain how much sun is on it during the day,
Speaker 1: all those things he's saying that is where others are
Speaker 1: failing he's figured it out. Man, we had some big
Speaker 1: old fat easier and I did Ni. Those are tasty
Speaker 1: wild ones. You like to put a lot of butter
Speaker 1: in that pan. Oh yeah, man, like to use but
Speaker 1: I like butter. I like so much butter in there.
Speaker 1: When you cook a Morrell, it's like a butter sponge.
Speaker 1: I like to put enough butter in there that the
Speaker 1: Morrell can't get it all that the Morrel's thirst for
Speaker 1: butter is quenched and there's still butter left. We could
Speaker 1: used more butter on those balls. We ate like alright now.
Speaker 1: Josh had said in a newspaper interview that he'd like
Speaker 1: to harvest a thousand pounds next spring. He thinks that's doable.
Speaker 1: And I asked him how confident he is? What kind
Speaker 1: of acre to re talk about? Well, uh, currently he's
Speaker 1: doing a half acre plot. Um. When I asked him
Speaker 1: about like how practical, Like how likely do you think
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen, this thousand pound goal that you have,
Speaker 1: he said it's all dependent on the amount of time
Speaker 1: that he has and the amount of funding that he has,
Speaker 1: because he said it's very expensive to do this on
Speaker 1: like a half acre plot. And girl hundred pounds. Um,
Speaker 1: now you gotta take that times ten, And he said
Speaker 1: he's not sure like that. Those are limiting factors at
Speaker 1: this point, his time and his money to pull this off.
Speaker 1: Is he a mycologist? Um, I I don't. He's a
Speaker 1: mushroom farmer. And oh okay, so so so that he's
Speaker 1: got just a general background in mushroom farment, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I call it that earlier. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, you know, we'll see what happens next
Speaker 1: spring with this. If he has a thousand pounds, I'm
Speaker 1: a believer, But at this point I'm still skeptical that
Speaker 1: he has solved it, because it would be like if
Speaker 1: if Brody went out to some pond and dumped in
Speaker 1: like a bag of small bass finger ling, and then
Speaker 1: came back in a year and caught some adult bass
Speaker 1: and you said, I grew bass. That's right, It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily that simple, and like I have created life, yes, yep,
Speaker 1: and uh we just sae. An article on the meat
Speaker 1: eator dot com the ten biggest morale mushrooms ever found,
Speaker 1: and a majority of that list comes from this stretch
Speaker 1: from like Iowa to Illinois, Indiana enormous like the size
Speaker 1: of Yanni's court jar here and bigger, really big for scale.
Speaker 1: They always have you know, the back of mushrooms demystified,
Speaker 1: or is the front of mushrooms? Des is the back
Speaker 1: of front of mushrooms demystified? You want to talk about morrel? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, they probably a pounder more.
Speaker 1: Some of some of these were wearing a pound inches
Speaker 1: tall with a diameter of equal that. So did you
Speaker 1: guys see that big fatty I found with Maggie last spring?
Speaker 1: One giant morrel, I mean like a giant Look at
Speaker 1: a piece of firewood landing there. So my my point
Speaker 1: with that is that like Iowa is an amazing place
Speaker 1: to go find morales and find big morales. Same thing
Speaker 1: with the bast analogy. If you dumps I'm uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like in southern California and then caught a bass, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, well, I grew bass. So we'll see. Suspenseful, man,
Speaker 1: I love what I'm gonna say. The jury is still out. Suspenseful.
Speaker 1: I'm dying. No, um, I'm dying for that guy to go. Spencer.
Speaker 1: I can grow a Morrell out of that beard. You
Speaker 1: got growing there, I hope so where you'll believe me now,
Speaker 1: I want to do early plug I'm so I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of the book we're working on that I want
Speaker 1: to start plugging it now, even though it's months and
Speaker 1: months away. Really turned it in yet still finishing it up.
Speaker 1: I think, I predict. I hate to say this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I think that I think that it will
Speaker 1: do well. Oh, I think a lot of people will
Speaker 1: be interested in what we've got. We've already gotten several
Speaker 1: emails that you could basically use as blurbs and advertisements
Speaker 1: for it. They haven't seen it, but they have people
Speaker 1: that have like helped you guys on parts of the
Speaker 1: book and being able to read through those parts, and
Speaker 1: they are professionals in that arena of you know, we
Speaker 1: can talk about what the books about, right, yeah, of
Speaker 1: the emergency, you know, or just a h easy meat
Speaker 1: eater's guide to wilderness skills and survival. Let's taken, don't
Speaker 1: use it. It is long. When we did the Guy
Speaker 1: books all those years ago, and we're working on those
Speaker 1: Guy books long time. But we did the Guy Books
Speaker 1: all years ago. We got done and it was seven
Speaker 1: hundred pages long, and I went down to my publisher
Speaker 1: and we had a meeting, and she's like, you know, um,
Speaker 1: short of like the Bible. Uh, if we don't, there
Speaker 1: aren't seven hundred page long books and and uh. She
Speaker 1: was like, either gotta get rid of half of it
Speaker 1: or it's two. And I was like, Hey, we'll just
Speaker 1: make two books. And that's what the guide books became. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't even couldn't even estimate
Speaker 1: what our page count would be. I asked Havannah to
Speaker 1: take a stab at it. She thinks that's she thinks
Speaker 1: that we're probably gonna be coming in and around hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand words, so twice as long, for instance,
Speaker 1: as American Buffalo. Okay, because I came in about seventy words.
Speaker 1: A big tomb? Is that how you say it? Tom Toms?
Speaker 1: Where you putting dead books? Well, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: ready for a ton It's fitting for either verty of
Speaker 1: this book. Right now, we're in the navigation. Yeah chapter.
Speaker 1: I just wrote a Pulitzer Prize winning section. I don't
Speaker 1: mind saying this myself. I just wrote a Pulitzer prize
Speaker 1: winning section on walking on the ice. Read Nice Frozen
Speaker 1: Lakes rivers ponds read nice, Nice that they could sections
Speaker 1: of books for pullet surprises, because I feel like I'd
Speaker 1: go up against you with the river thing. The river
Speaker 1: just yeah, being on rivers, being on the ice man
Speaker 1: reading it, the noises, it makes what those noises mean.
Speaker 1: Watching out for beaver runs freak out. Yeah, watching out
Speaker 1: for beaver runs. But you can fall. I found the
Speaker 1: most times I've fallen through the ice has been related
Speaker 1: to falling into beaver runs. People don't see that. You
Speaker 1: go get a hundred books about this subject, and you
Speaker 1: won't find any of them talking about beaver runs. Spencer.
Speaker 1: You know what I really love about Brody and Steve
Speaker 1: is how humble they are. Well, No, because Spencer has
Speaker 1: taken a few licks in this book. Yeah, he like
Speaker 1: the only person that contribute the stove talking about Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got like a quote or two in there. Spencer's
Speaker 1: been Spencer's contributions to the book have been um. Spencer's
Speaker 1: been doing like his infamous bullshit alerts. But Spencer like
Speaker 1: takes down um like it's very instructive, informative. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's just mounds, mountains and mountains and mountains of information.
Speaker 1: So it's chapters are like um, things that bite, sting,
Speaker 1: mall and kill man. You're giving everything away anyways, Spencer, Uh,
Speaker 1: you think my land too much out and I think
Speaker 1: you gotta have some some thirst for what's coming, just
Speaker 1: like a trailer for a movie. They don't give everything away.
Speaker 1: How many words did you say, Savannah said it is,
Speaker 1: I said last night, Well, um uh, she said something
Speaker 1: like one fifty k metric tons. I googled how many
Speaker 1: words per page in a book, and this says per
Speaker 1: one hundred pages, you're looking at about twenty words, So
Speaker 1: then you're looking at like a six Well, I'm just
Speaker 1: like giving you a rough, rough estimate of what Google says.
Speaker 1: You typed in the truth about book length. Yes, yep,
Speaker 1: I did the same, a little bit of research for
Speaker 1: a deal for the Weekend Review because when I had
Speaker 1: fifty episodes and there's uh, you know, how they put
Speaker 1: books together these days has changed quite a bit, and
Speaker 1: what type of font and what's acceptable, and there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of changes in there. Um. I think good
Speaker 1: lead ins for the chapters, though, it would be are
Speaker 1: you sure you want to get into this? Because people
Speaker 1: are gon be overwhelmed with the amount of knowledge per chapter.
Speaker 1: But it's what But in the book, we take the
Speaker 1: opposite of the bear Girls approach. Bear Girls. This thing
Speaker 1: is like watch out, don't want to be caught outside.
Speaker 1: If you get caught outside, hustle home, right, and to to
Speaker 1: make a show about how quick you can hustle home
Speaker 1: for being outside. This is more like, um about embracing
Speaker 1: it right. And it's not like that. It's oh, it's
Speaker 1: so fearful. It's like, hey, here's some things. But Spencer,
Speaker 1: his contribution has been, Um, are you really supposed to
Speaker 1: snuck suck out sneak venom? Um? Is bear girls always
Speaker 1: drinking piss? Is that helpful? Uh? Are you supposed to
Speaker 1: uh pull the bullet out of your body? After he
Speaker 1: gets a bullet in him? People are gonna look all
Speaker 1: this stuff up now. Good thing, there's more pages to read. Brody.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you're gonna be so cagey man. You
Speaker 1: think i'd like to keep a wrap on things. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what when we do uhum, when it comes out,
Speaker 1: I'm just we're gonna do like a walk through. This
Speaker 1: is I'm actually turning it like I'm actually turning. It's
Speaker 1: getting close up now, I'm actually developing a little sense
Speaker 1: of enthusiasm and pride project can see the light at
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. Yeah, you've been on a
Speaker 1: real emotional roller coaster in regards to this project. I hate,
Speaker 1: I hate doing stuff. Plus pictures in this book, right, illustrations, illustrations,
Speaker 1: very good illustrations. Is that Pete doing the illustration, same
Speaker 1: illustrator we worked with in the past. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: a million dollars from Savannah. When she asked me if
Speaker 1: I would possibly have his contact information, possibly like the
Speaker 1: contract and the amount of with stating the amount of
Speaker 1: money that we paid him per illustration from the last projects,
Speaker 1: and uh boy, just had it all tucked away in
Speaker 1: a file, you know, under guide books. Yeah, old, I'll
Speaker 1: see if she'll pay up. That's great his contribution finding
Speaker 1: that helping us find the illustrator's email address. I do.
Speaker 1: I do think that is a much healthier approach. Though.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, listen, if at some point in
Speaker 1: your outdoor career you don't find yourself in this position,
Speaker 1: you've probably not been doing things right, so embrace it. Yeah. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about me chapters. But I don't want
Speaker 1: Brody to get uh nervous. Well, we do mention four
Speaker 1: tens as a survival gun. You want to take a
Speaker 1: stab at what gauge you think before? Oh yeah, just
Speaker 1: so people understand, Brody, that was quality and bring it
Speaker 1: back in the pivot. Yeah, get a little if they
Speaker 1: gave out peel surprises for pivots. Yeah, I'm always this
Speaker 1: year's prize for pivots, Brody Anderson. Go ahead, Steve, take
Speaker 1: a crack at what gauge four? Well, first I want
Speaker 1: to give a couple of points here um one time?
Speaker 1: Uh well for so a gauge when someone says a
Speaker 1: twelve gage shotgun, that means is it would take twelve
Speaker 1: lead spheres of that diameter to make a pound. So
Speaker 1: twenty gage shotgun is it would take twenty lead spheres
Speaker 1: of that size to make a pound. And then you
Speaker 1: got you know, in the old days, you had eight
Speaker 1: gauges that you're in around anymore? There any around. I
Speaker 1: don't even know I ever even laid eyes on an
Speaker 1: eight gauge the biggest Boer shotgun. It's even like kind
Speaker 1: of common. Is a ten gauge, twelve gauge very common?
Speaker 1: And you have sixteens twenties, and then some guys these
Speaker 1: eight Ronnie Bain's got a twenty eight, I believe, And
Speaker 1: then you get down to um. Then there's one that
Speaker 1: breaks the system, and the four ten is a point
Speaker 1: four one oh So the four ten uses the same
Speaker 1: system as rifle calibers. So like a you know, if
Speaker 1: you have a thirty thirty, let's say, let's say a
Speaker 1: three h wind Mega three hund wind megas point three
Speaker 1: oh eight of an inch. All your thirty calibers are
Speaker 1: point three oh eight. They just shortened it up by
Speaker 1: saying thirty, but point three eight four ten is a
Speaker 1: has a you know, diameter of point four one oh
Speaker 1: of an inch. Years ago, I got a death threat
Speaker 1: from an animal rights person and they have threatened to
Speaker 1: come get me with a fifty gage shotgun. And I
Speaker 1: realized that that was about I think it was about
Speaker 1: the size of a BB gun. So I didn't I
Speaker 1: slept well at night. No one that even though I
Speaker 1: might be shot, it would be by a very very
Speaker 1: very small shotgun. So a four ten is take a stab.
Speaker 1: What do you think four ten is a thirty five gauge?
Speaker 1: It's really how'd you figure it out? Looking it up
Speaker 1: the truth about four tens. You're not going to be
Speaker 1: sleeping tonight in case that person is still lurking out
Speaker 1: there with that fifty gauge. Oh yeah, it'd be worse
Speaker 1: than that. I'd be like, whatever, it'll be worse than
Speaker 1: my kids. Well, the FBI checked this dude out anyway. Anyway,
Speaker 1: a dude FBI agent did it on speck. He just
Speaker 1: saw I put a post about it on social media
Speaker 1: and he um uh and he um. Later got to
Speaker 1: hold me and said, I wouldn't worry too much about
Speaker 1: that guy. He's kind of randuring, a raverer. I don't
Speaker 1: wide variety of subjects ranging, he told me, ranging from
Speaker 1: like the Palestinian conflict on down. But apparently the thirties
Speaker 1: the gauge system at six, So at some point they
Speaker 1: must have been making the thirty six gate shotguns. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: a little teeny one and what's the four ten again?
Speaker 1: Sixty seven accord, there's no way on earth according to
Speaker 1: a pile of sixty seven lead balls that size to make,
Speaker 1: according to American Rifleman dot org, which they say, that's
Speaker 1: what they say. It's not like Bob's gun blogged com.
Speaker 1: All right, who am I Well, if that get t
Speaker 1: slugs sometime and way him out, Yeah, well it lad spears?
Speaker 1: Well punkin balls? Do they still make those? Do you
Speaker 1: know the guy that shot the guy that shot Billy
Speaker 1: Billy the kid? Um? No, not the guy who shot
Speaker 1: Pat Garrett in California? No, I'm wrong, guy not Billy,
Speaker 1: the guy who shot the guy who shot Jesse James.
Speaker 1: I believe that. So Robert Ford shot Jesse James, but
Speaker 1: then later a guy shot Robert Ford. I believe the
Speaker 1: guy that shot Robert Ford he had a like he
Speaker 1: had a coach gun. I think it was like a remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was a ten gage coach gun. He
Speaker 1: apparently nearly cut him in half because he took a
Speaker 1: bunch of pipe and a chisel and made a bunch
Speaker 1: of of fragments, steel fragments, No, a lead pipe, a
Speaker 1: bunch of lead fragments, and took a funnel and filled
Speaker 1: the barrels up with pipe fragments and then give them
Speaker 1: both barrels. That'll do that, I guess. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that this is true. My understanding is that this is true.
Speaker 1: I also just recently read I'm reading this really interesting
Speaker 1: book called The Um. It's from the sixties, The Frontiersman
Speaker 1: of the Yellowstone it's like a history of Yellowstone. Basin
Speaker 1: talks about two mountain men to beaver trappers that got
Speaker 1: in a dispute and they got real mad at each
Speaker 1: oldren kind of toward their friendship apart, and later their
Speaker 1: friends had to sort of encouraged them to patch it up,
Speaker 1: and they had a kind of tradition where when two
Speaker 1: people made amends, they would shoot a glass of whiskey
Speaker 1: off of each other's heads to sort of prove that
Speaker 1: to to prove that the bad tidings were over. One
Speaker 1: of them puts the glass of whiskey on his head
Speaker 1: and he tells everyone, I don't trust him. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot me, and shoots him. And then the
Speaker 1: guy at lo and Behold shoots him between the eyes
Speaker 1: and kills him. Stone dead says, whoops, I made a mistake.
Speaker 1: Didn't mean to nothing happens to him. Later, he gets
Speaker 1: a drink and and opens up to the idea that
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't a mistake, at which point the dead
Speaker 1: man's friend pulls out a pistol and blows a hole
Speaker 1: through the guy's heart and kills him. What was the
Speaker 1: original disagreement. I don't think it gets into what the
Speaker 1: disagreement was. Another thing I didn't know until I read
Speaker 1: this book. You know, Hugh Glass at the Revenance base,
Speaker 1: and you know Hugh Glass died he you know, I
Speaker 1: think this was this somewhere along the yellow Stone like
Speaker 1: so like between like here in Miles City. Hugh Glass,
Speaker 1: after all this ship he went through it gets malled
Speaker 1: by the bear. Jim Bridger leaves behind. He finds Bridger
Speaker 1: and a guy named Fitzpatrick and confronts them because they
Speaker 1: left him for dead. Um. They're like like Hugh glaskets
Speaker 1: malled by a grizzly bear, and the rest of their
Speaker 1: crew of trappers splits and they leave Jim Bridger, who's
Speaker 1: like nineteen, and this Fitzpatrick dude. They leave them and say,
Speaker 1: don't leave until he dies. When he dies, you can
Speaker 1: bury him. But they get sick of waiting and they
Speaker 1: just leave, take all of his ship and leave, and
Speaker 1: then he survives and crawls back. Years later he gets
Speaker 1: he's with a couple of other trappers and they get
Speaker 1: into a skirmish. Maybe I think it was with the
Speaker 1: black Feet. They get into a skirmish with the black Feet,
Speaker 1: and they get hold up in a spot and they
Speaker 1: can't shoot their way out of the spot. And eventually
Speaker 1: the black Feet light a grass fire and they know
Speaker 1: they're just gonna get burned alive, and they dropped a
Speaker 1: spark into a powder keg and blew themselves up. That's
Speaker 1: how he died. And you know, me think we got
Speaker 1: it bad. Bro wor who documented this to to like
Speaker 1: report back on That's how they went. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: afraid that it's not true, because I'm telling you things
Speaker 1: that were written in the book in the sixties. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a footnote. It's like a I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: this is the stuff that I'm reading in a book
Speaker 1: from the sixties. When I finished the book, I'll take
Speaker 1: the parts that I'm wondering, like why in the hell
Speaker 1: have I not read that other places and go find
Speaker 1: out if since the sixties we've found that these are
Speaker 1: just tall tales. And much of the hug Glass story,
Speaker 1: like is that, um, I think that he was a
Speaker 1: pirate more cast ashore in the Gulf of Mexico. Well,
Speaker 1: just like more reputable UH historians will say that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of sensational details from Hugh Glasses story. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm afraid of, and that's why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like asterisk this information for people so they understand that
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of a book. I'm reading things
Speaker 1: that I hadn't encountered elsewhere, and I'm suspicious that these
Speaker 1: are tall tales that later historians have said, like, that's
Speaker 1: not true, Brodie, Do you mind it's normally honest's job
Speaker 1: type in how did Hugh Glass Die? And also type
Speaker 1: in four Union shooting whiskey glasses off each other's heads
Speaker 1: the truth about UM, and I didn't even have to
Speaker 1: finish in it. UM. Moving on, Brody had a note
Speaker 1: that he wanted to discuss something Um called the futility
Speaker 1: of yelling at kids to be quiet all day in camp.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're doing your research right now, Brodie. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll pick up on say that thought, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick up on the thing I want to talk about
Speaker 1: is I took my kid out. My kids turned ten
Speaker 1: and became a became of the age that he could
Speaker 1: be legally My older boy became the age that he
Speaker 1: could be legally apprenticed. So I had to go and
Speaker 1: fill out a form online to be come an apprentice. No,
Speaker 1: a mentor. I had to fill out a form online
Speaker 1: to become a mentor hunter. There's no what does that
Speaker 1: mean in the eyes of the state. So in this state,
Speaker 1: when you're twelve, you can get hunting licenses and you
Speaker 1: can hunt. You gotta go to hunter safety. You can
Speaker 1: hunt when you're ten. You can hunt with a mentor.
Speaker 1: The mentor has to be your legal guardian or a
Speaker 1: blood relative right or it doesn't need, or someone of
Speaker 1: or a licensed hunter of legal standing whom the guardian
Speaker 1: has given authority to to take hunting. So if you
Speaker 1: just ran, you ran, you know, encountered some little kid,
Speaker 1: and you said, hey, you wanna go hunt, you couldn't
Speaker 1: take hi hunting. You have to come get me to
Speaker 1: sign a form saying that I am bestowing upon you
Speaker 1: authority to take my ten year old hunting. Any person
Speaker 1: can hunt two years as an an apprentice hunter, and
Speaker 1: then they got to do hunter safety. But the way
Speaker 1: they got set up was like at ten years of age,
Speaker 1: you can become an apprentice hunter and then so he
Speaker 1: can hunt this year and it's like you were within
Speaker 1: army they spelled out. But it's like basically within arm's
Speaker 1: reach of your mentor. Didn't Maggie and Tracy start out
Speaker 1: that way? They had they went they did hunter safety though, so, um,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let someone really get away with that, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you know. I might even have
Speaker 1: him take hunter safety next summer. But either way, I
Speaker 1: became a mentor. I became a mentor, and he became
Speaker 1: an apprentice, and it's like five bucks, so that you
Speaker 1: could for five bucks he becomes in a apprentice hunter.
Speaker 1: And then unlike fishing, like you know in the last dates,
Speaker 1: you don't need a fishing license till you're what fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, they got to buy the full on license,
Speaker 1: and they can't hunt stuff that has any kind of
Speaker 1: limited draw. They can't hunt bears, basically hunt like deer
Speaker 1: and small game as an as an apprenticed hunter. So
Speaker 1: he turned ten just in time for the last weekend
Speaker 1: of turkey season. We went out, had a good time.
Speaker 1: He got up at four in the morning, three mornings
Speaker 1: in a row, which is cool. Um, we knocked around
Speaker 1: and had a very close encounter with a turkey that
Speaker 1: was I mean, you're gonna think I'm exaggerating the Turkey
Speaker 1: was for me to fill the engineer. But the catch
Speaker 1: is that this entire table was an impenetrable juniper bush
Speaker 1: that if you look really carefully, you could see movement
Speaker 1: through the bush, but you couldn't make hide in your
Speaker 1: hair of it. And I had my kids sitting right
Speaker 1: between my legs because I wanted to be able to
Speaker 1: look down at what he's looking at in him, trying
Speaker 1: to see he's like leaning around, and things got a
Speaker 1: little squirrely, and our line of site wasn't the same
Speaker 1: where I could see a Turkey's fan as he moved
Speaker 1: away from the juniper bush. I can see this a
Speaker 1: little farther way now, but I can see a turn
Speaker 1: he's fan playing his day, and I'm like, hey, if
Speaker 1: you see him, if you see you know, eventually Turkey
Speaker 1: waters off. He doesn't get a shot, and he just
Speaker 1: looks like he's very unhappy. My kid is very unhappy,
Speaker 1: very down on himself. And he said, uh, he I'm
Speaker 1: courting him. He said, I feel like such a loser.
Speaker 1: And I got to ask him, like, what happened? Why
Speaker 1: do you feel like a loser? And he said, I
Speaker 1: thought I didn't recognize I now know that I saw
Speaker 1: the head, but I he wasn't expecting this thing that's
Speaker 1: changing colors from blue to red. And he said he
Speaker 1: saw it and thought it was a flower. Hey, he
Speaker 1: did the right thing. He wasn't sure he saw it
Speaker 1: through the tail fan and he said. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: after the turkey left and I looked at our decoy
Speaker 1: and then I realized that was the head. Man. I
Speaker 1: feel his pain. That's good that he was able to
Speaker 1: look at the decoy and then recognize that that that
Speaker 1: clicked together, he said, he said, I thought He said,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a flower with a thick stem.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And then it occurred to him that he
Speaker 1: was looking through the fan very close a little. But
Speaker 1: in any case, it was lucky we heard any turkeys
Speaker 1: with the amount of noise and camp. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: Brody gout the camp. I got to the camp. I
Speaker 1: started yelling at all the kids to be quiet. Brody's like,
Speaker 1: I already gave up on that. Yeah, but we got
Speaker 1: into him anyway. How far were you? It was like
Speaker 1: eight fifty yards at one I could hear him screaming
Speaker 1: and yelling. And I got out on X and I
Speaker 1: had the camp marks and I knew where I was,
Speaker 1: and I did the line distance function that was eight
Speaker 1: hundred thirty three yards a loud, and my kid kept saying,
Speaker 1: my boy, my little boys, like I could hear Rosie
Speaker 1: and Matt, but you can't hear Rosie and Matt. You
Speaker 1: know why, don't Like, by god, you can hear ros
Speaker 1: three yards away. Maybe that puts those turkeys at ease. Well,
Speaker 1: two years in a row, including this year, they shot
Speaker 1: gobbled turkeys by playing. But I don't think it's I
Speaker 1: don't think it's like beneficial. I think you created ever
Speaker 1: increasingly wide area of animals animalss area around you. Um,
Speaker 1: we were definitely thinking about relocate. We've been kind of
Speaker 1: pushing camp in closer and closer to the turkeys over
Speaker 1: the last five years, and I think next year we're
Speaker 1: gonna be marching back retreating because because my girls have
Speaker 1: gotten louder. I think that early on they were they
Speaker 1: would yell in whatever, but they were smaller, the didn't
Speaker 1: have lungs, they didn't have lungs, And now it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, I remember being like basically in
Speaker 1: the next valley and being like there's no way, but
Speaker 1: then sure enough, like one still night. I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: and I got the dog with me, and he keeps
Speaker 1: running like fifty yards and then sitting there and looking
Speaker 1: in that direction, and finally I'm like, oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: can hear everybody back there camp. I mean we were
Speaker 1: like a thirty minute walk. You know, when we're out filming,
Speaker 1: we try to and we got lacked. We get we lapsed.
Speaker 1: Then we come back to it. But we have this
Speaker 1: thing that this ideal that we have and we try
Speaker 1: to a little bit stick with it is what we
Speaker 1: call the Mkuschi Code of silence because the mkushi um
Speaker 1: an indigenous group in South America, they don't yell. They
Speaker 1: don't yell. If someone's down at the boat down at
Speaker 1: the river and you're like at camp and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, he should grab hope he grabs the big pot, right,
Speaker 1: I would be like, hey, grab the big pot. What
Speaker 1: the big pot? Right? And that's just how you go
Speaker 1: about your business. They would um walk down until their
Speaker 1: faces were twelve inches apart, and you would say, grab
Speaker 1: the big They never make noise. They don't yell, they
Speaker 1: don't make noise. Maybe a tree was falling on the
Speaker 1: divide out, but they don't make noise for what reason?
Speaker 1: Because they're hunters. They don't make noise. It's just quiet,
Speaker 1: just ingrained into the way they speak. They speak to
Speaker 1: people only that are right there. They don't communicate to
Speaker 1: people that are far away. When I want my kids
Speaker 1: to come down to eat, I don't move five or six,
Speaker 1: five or six times if you need to, I don't
Speaker 1: move anywhere I can walk over there. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: scream nine times with increasing intensity. So yeah, they were allowed.
Speaker 1: Another observation was just brody, was one? Tell mebut you
Speaker 1: know how you mere a minute? Man? Oh god dah man. Frustrating,
Speaker 1: isn't it like? It never seems like And maybe this
Speaker 1: is like people that just aren't dialed into a certain system,
Speaker 1: or they don't feel the urgency that we feel. But man,
Speaker 1: people take a long time to get ready. Adults, don't
Speaker 1: your kids? Yeah, even adults, And yeah, kids, I like,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll stick Hayden in the sleeping bag, in his
Speaker 1: sleeping glows, shake him and say let's go. And he's
Speaker 1: pretty good about getting up early. That was your trick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get him, just slam him sleep in their clothes so
Speaker 1: you get him already. I was wondering how he's ready
Speaker 1: so fast. Oh yeah, just yank him. He's all like,
Speaker 1: just drag him out of the area. But yeah, adults
Speaker 1: just like don't. But you're talking about getting ready for
Speaker 1: to go hunting, yeah, or really whatever, but sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like getting light. You should have been sitting under
Speaker 1: the tree half an hour ago and you haven't even
Speaker 1: left camp yet or whatever. Yeah. There was one afternoon
Speaker 1: when when um me and my wife are gonna go
Speaker 1: out and listen for gobbles, and uh, Brody's wife offered
Speaker 1: to let us leave our young uns there, and so
Speaker 1: I was like very like like I'm a minute man,
Speaker 1: I was like very ready to go. I'm like ready
Speaker 1: for the American Revolution one by air, one by land two.
Speaker 1: If I see who's that guy, Paul Revere? You know what?
Speaker 1: Historians later tried to say that Paul Revere wasn't real.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who the politician was, but he said
Speaker 1: I love Paul Revere, whether he wrote or not. Ah. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: I would not then look at my wife because I
Speaker 1: was like why, like what what what is like? Why
Speaker 1: why haven't we left? Why is it now so much
Speaker 1: longer later and we haven't left? And I would like
Speaker 1: try to look at her in like distinct moments, and
Speaker 1: in every distinct moment it did, in fact seem like
Speaker 1: something was happening, Like she wasn't sitting there. I'd be like, like,
Speaker 1: what is she doing? And I try to like look
Speaker 1: at her and like, oh, she is looking for one
Speaker 1: of the kids shoes. You know. Then I would like
Speaker 1: then twenty minutes to go by, and I'd look at
Speaker 1: her and be like, oh she is. But so all
Speaker 1: the parts make sense, but the some of them doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense that how am I ready for an hour? Yep?
Speaker 1: And you get like a group of people who don't
Speaker 1: feel that urgency, and it just makes it even worse
Speaker 1: because they look around and she knows that I'm irritated
Speaker 1: cause I'm just generally irritated about wanting to go, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't care if he's irritated. And since
Speaker 1: the other people that are doing something, they don't, they're
Speaker 1: also wandering around, so it must be okay to keep
Speaker 1: wandering around. And then you wait an hour and she'll
Speaker 1: find me right and she'll be like, we should get
Speaker 1: the kids lunch. Yeah, I was gonna say. The other
Speaker 1: perspectives could be that, like, damn, Stephen Brody would be nice.
Speaker 1: They just helped me find this other shoe and then
Speaker 1: we could get them out of here and knocked out,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we can all get out of here. Instead,
Speaker 1: those two are just standing over there with their hands
Speaker 1: in their pockets, going hurrying down. I know, no we
Speaker 1: for the first time, I think it's an age thing.
Speaker 1: Is I crossed some threshold now where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't even care about food, coffee, anything. I will just sleep.
Speaker 1: And I started doing the pants things harder woodpecker lips.
Speaker 1: I'll just sleep in the pants, put my boots on.
Speaker 1: I usually always take my socks off. I don't sleep
Speaker 1: good if I had my socks on my sleeping bag.
Speaker 1: But that way, I'm just like, I wake up, I'm
Speaker 1: still blurry eyed. I'm just like Genever you kind of ready.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, and we just no coffee, no food, nothing,
Speaker 1: put the turkey vest on and just start walking down
Speaker 1: the road and you'll wake up. But you know, your
Speaker 1: body starts moving. You wake up and you're fine, and
Speaker 1: you just you start to realize that you don't really
Speaker 1: need to hang out at camp and it's not You're
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy that cup of coffee. It's gonna burn your burn,
Speaker 1: your lips and your tongue is you're trying to pound
Speaker 1: boiling bean wash. Yeah, you could just put like um yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but a bar in my pocket, Put some bars night before,
Speaker 1: put some bars in your turkey vest, put an energy
Speaker 1: drink in your turkey vest. Go to sleep in your
Speaker 1: turkey clothes and just leave. Yeah. And later in the season, man,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, it gets late early. Yeah, right now, brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One guy last week and can't kill the bird at
Speaker 1: like five oh five, kill seven something like that. I
Speaker 1: killed my last weekend. I got a tax. Some brody.
Speaker 1: I was laying in bed petting my dog, and we
Speaker 1: get up. I get up as soon as I can
Speaker 1: see the glow in the window. Man, I get up,
Speaker 1: and I was laying there. I just it was just
Speaker 1: literally enough. I left the dog and on the bed
Speaker 1: and I got a tax. Some brody was like, what
Speaker 1: the hell? Early? Yeah. I almost thought you shot it
Speaker 1: out of the tree. No, it was fifteen minutes after
Speaker 1: he flew down. Turkey hunting, you can't really do it.
Speaker 1: But a system that I like during big game season
Speaker 1: is to roll out get hiking, get out to where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna glass, and then boil up a cup coffee
Speaker 1: and have my my scene all set up and ms
Speaker 1: on plas and I'm got my butt pad out. I've
Speaker 1: probably already pooped at this point. I'm drinking a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee and I'm just just peel on that place
Speaker 1: apart and it and the sun's coming up. You can
Speaker 1: take pictures of at sunrise that you'll never ever see again,
Speaker 1: but you gotta do because it's so pretty. It's a
Speaker 1: great situation, stress free. Man. We've done a few little
Speaker 1: mountain tricks like that, like another mountain trick that we
Speaker 1: kind of we try. We do a bit more filming.
Speaker 1: Two is too. When it's when the times like this,
Speaker 1: we just we did this. Yeah. Uh, when it's like
Speaker 1: you gott get up so damn early. You gotta got
Speaker 1: three thirty four in the morning. You'll be up at
Speaker 1: first light and then it doesn't get dark. You know
Speaker 1: you're you're you're still hunting at ninety. Um is to
Speaker 1: bring your gear, to bring a stove and some freeze
Speaker 1: dry and just eat it five. I just told us
Speaker 1: off in the backpack, so eat at five glass or whatever.
Speaker 1: Through the hunt through the prime time evening and then
Speaker 1: come home and you already eight. Yes, they just slide
Speaker 1: in your bed instead of like getting in at nine
Speaker 1: thirty weighing out whether or not you want to eat
Speaker 1: or not, in order to then get up at four
Speaker 1: in the morning. It's a lot nicer us to get
Speaker 1: it taken care of. I agreed. And another thing is
Speaker 1: sometimes we've gotten up in the morning, just brought our
Speaker 1: sleeping bags and get up to a glass and spot,
Speaker 1: and then get back in your sleeping bag and make
Speaker 1: some coffee up in your glass and spot. That's big game, Yanni.
Speaker 1: Can you share with everybody what had with your your
Speaker 1: little truck thing? This is an interesting story. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well with my brother in law's struck, I think it's uh,
Speaker 1: I hate bad talk the old Toyota tundra, but it's
Speaker 1: a Toyota tundra. And um. Of course, when we talked
Speaker 1: to the mechanic, he's like, I swear to you, this
Speaker 1: is the first alternator I've ever changed on one of
Speaker 1: these tundras. Anyways, Yeah, they had gone him and his
Speaker 1: son had gone up to charge some devices and get
Speaker 1: some service, and they kind of left camp and drove
Speaker 1: up the hill. Maybe not far. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: like a quarter mile, like charging sternal batteries and whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: external batteries, telephones, kindles, whatever else. And uh, they're sitting
Speaker 1: there and you know, prior to that, we had seen
Speaker 1: a minor bit of smoke um coming out of the engine,
Speaker 1: like on the trip in, and he had said he's
Speaker 1: seen it the day before. But to me, I saw
Speaker 1: it was so little and I smelled it. There wasn't
Speaker 1: really like a bad smell, and I'm like, you got
Speaker 1: some mud kicked up in there. It got hot and
Speaker 1: it smoked, you know. Yeah, we're on in eastern Montana. Anyways,
Speaker 1: they're sitting up there, charging away, and he just happens
Speaker 1: to be looking down at the dash as all of
Speaker 1: the gauges flipped from you know, one end to the
Speaker 1: other end, back and forth twice, and then I think
Speaker 1: the engines running and basically the truck shutters and everything
Speaker 1: just windows are wide open and there's nothing nothing. He
Speaker 1: can't do anything. I think he could turn the key,
Speaker 1: but there was no lights. This absolutely couldn't change gears in.
Speaker 1: It couldn't. Yeah, yeah, I guess you have to have
Speaker 1: power to shift. But um, I learned a lot. I
Speaker 1: learned that in at least in that um those years
Speaker 1: of Toyota tundras, there's a little square box probably not
Speaker 1: even an inch by inch um right next to the
Speaker 1: gear shifter, and you can it's basically like a little
Speaker 1: lid and you pop that out and that's what's in there,
Speaker 1: and you can take a pen and push it down
Speaker 1: and then that allows you to change gears boxes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a bot, I mean, like I said, but
Speaker 1: you can put no I've seen those. I've never pride
Speaker 1: one open. Yeah, that's what's in there. So at least
Speaker 1: when when we figured that out, we knew we could
Speaker 1: at least I could pull him down the mountain because
Speaker 1: we're probably I don't know, five seven miles, had no idea.
Speaker 1: That's what's the netla on an unimproved dirt road. So
Speaker 1: at least I could pull them out and then a
Speaker 1: mechanic could or a toe truck can meet us. Um So,
Speaker 1: but when we realized so I'm trying to think, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We were getting a lot of advice from
Speaker 1: a lot of people and a different advice on on
Speaker 1: what to do, but finally own guy says, you know,
Speaker 1: what you need to do is bypass the alternator. If
Speaker 1: you it sounds like you blew the alternator. If you
Speaker 1: unhooked the alternator, charge up your battery. Your battery should
Speaker 1: have enough juice in it to let you run the
Speaker 1: vehicle for ten to twenty minutes until it dies again.
Speaker 1: And then you just pop the trunk, you know, and
Speaker 1: recharge your battery and keep driving until you get to
Speaker 1: where you need to get going. And sure enough that worked.
Speaker 1: So what did you do to bridge the gap once
Speaker 1: you pull the alternator out? We just unhooked the alternator.
Speaker 1: That was it. You don't need to liken, No, we
Speaker 1: just really, you know, tape the ends of those uh
Speaker 1: wires so that you wouldn't ground out on anything, you know,
Speaker 1: if it touched. But that was it. Um and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so we were able to drive out and then uh
Speaker 1: we had we had a mechanic meet us. The mechanic
Speaker 1: drove two hours to get there and then installed the
Speaker 1: new alternator in a belt and a couple other things.
Speaker 1: Ate himself a crisp Oh yeah, he had a good payday.
Speaker 1: He had a good but I think it was cheaper
Speaker 1: than having it Toad are we allowed to say? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think getting told short here because what do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's like you don't have
Speaker 1: a whole lot of options. But I mean, look, if
Speaker 1: you're a chief skate, you could probably limp your way home.
Speaker 1: And the method I just described by by charge eight
Speaker 1: lottery driving thirty minutes down the highway, pull when it,
Speaker 1: when it shuts down, pull over, recharge the battery. It's
Speaker 1: safe to do that. Yeah, right, that system though, I
Speaker 1: mean you had to have been feeling good for driving
Speaker 1: your truck out of that hole. Oh yeah. We had
Speaker 1: some Yeah, we had some major wins. And at the
Speaker 1: same time we managed to kill a couple of turkeys.
Speaker 1: So yeah. We had an Australian once blow a hole
Speaker 1: through the floorboards of a pickup truck with a shotgun
Speaker 1: and severed the fuel line and we had to tow
Speaker 1: it twenty miles out of a Donna riverbed. And that
Speaker 1: was a Bounty riverbed. It was a real bouncing I
Speaker 1: wasn't there, but I remember that the episode. It was
Speaker 1: in Australia. No, it was Australian abroad. He was in
Speaker 1: New Zealand, New Zealand. But they're not allowed to play
Speaker 1: with guns that much in Australia, so he's real curious
Speaker 1: about a shotgun. He's trying to figure out how it worked.
Speaker 1: He's wishing he had your protection and to touch one
Speaker 1: off in a inside of a vehicle. Oh horrible. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but Brody made a note that I didn't check back
Speaker 1: in with you guys after, so we were starting to
Speaker 1: make plans on how we're gonna get everybody out of there,
Speaker 1: because we had two full calling in the cavalry, but
Speaker 1: they're not calling off the cavalry. Yeah. Well, the that place,
Speaker 1: I think you guys had it similarly after I talked
Speaker 1: to your wife. But it'd be like one minute you
Speaker 1: can like just make all the phone calls you want
Speaker 1: to be working tax and then for the next twelve
Speaker 1: hours it's like there's nothing only that. But when people
Speaker 1: would call you, it actually you got a new phone
Speaker 1: number or something, so it could be like the knock
Speaker 1: can't It wouldn't just be like busy or not answer.
Speaker 1: It would be that it's like it tells you like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know number can't be completed as dialed, right,
Speaker 1: And so it made like I was trying to call
Speaker 1: my brother at one point I thought something. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh something, what happened. We had a big debate, so
Speaker 1: I I tried, I didn't try. I actually you can
Speaker 1: look at my text history and see that didn't go through.
Speaker 1: It was more about the debate that we had whether
Speaker 1: we should just go home or wait to hear from
Speaker 1: what we made. Me and Brodie didn't want to be um.
Speaker 1: Me and Brodie were trying to wash our hands in
Speaker 1: the matter. So I eventually said to Brodie's wife, I
Speaker 1: was like, so you're saying that we should take off,
Speaker 1: and then Stee's wife backed her up, because if this
Speaker 1: blows up, just blows up in our faces. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be I thought we should take off. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be there. I wanted to stay. And Carry's like, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm saying let's go, just like I'll live with it
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Body. Yeah, and then you so, Yahni,
Speaker 1: you're now depressed. Yeah, it happens every year. I feel
Speaker 1: like last year I got I got just enough turkey
Speaker 1: hunting in and um it went all the way to
Speaker 1: the end of May, and afterwards, I just you know,
Speaker 1: happily put everything up, put all those breasts into my
Speaker 1: freezer and and uh just went about, you know, looking
Speaker 1: towards fishing or whatever. And uh but uh, and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't complain too much because I still killed five birds
Speaker 1: and I got you know, some hunting days in. But
Speaker 1: I just had you know, great big plans and old
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen shot holes in my like you were supposed
Speaker 1: to be able to hunt Turkey's will primo, that's right.
Speaker 1: Who else? I don't know. We were supposed to go
Speaker 1: to Michigan and maybe Wisconsin. I still have half of mind.
Speaker 1: It probably pissed some people off, but you got. My
Speaker 1: wife's out next week, so I have the kids anyways,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, Wisconsin seasons open through Tuesday, so
Speaker 1: if I leave tomorrow, they're doing an extension. No, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: So if I left tomorrow, i'd have three days. Oh
Speaker 1: I love and you can kill what one a day there?
Speaker 1: You can kill as many as you have tags for.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. That's there's a lot of other
Speaker 1: things that need my attention to. But man, had I
Speaker 1: not just solidified some fishing plans, i'd be fueling that fire.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nice, because then we could just we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to stop because it's just a long enough drive
Speaker 1: where I'll probably have to take a nap somewhere and there. Hey,
Speaker 1: have we have we have we covered? Have we talked
Speaker 1: about the male the rough grouse finding? No? Definitely, I
Speaker 1: think that I have made a scientific discovery. Well as
Speaker 1: well Yan has made a scientific Discoverybody told me about it. Well,
Speaker 1: I to forget who someone's tent was right next to
Speaker 1: my tent, seth. I think both of us got that
Speaker 1: discovered that I did not a rough grouse. They do
Speaker 1: it all year round. Rough grouse drum and when a
Speaker 1: rough grouse is drumming, he takes he gets up on
Speaker 1: a log, gets about a perch and beats his wings
Speaker 1: on his body and it makes this noise. One might
Speaker 1: think this is straight from YouTube. The thumps are produced
Speaker 1: by the beating of the wings. Oh yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like he's doing in his throat, but he's also beating
Speaker 1: his wing in an actuality. The thumps are little sonic
Speaker 1: booms created his air suddenly fills a vacuum made when
Speaker 1: the wings are thrust outward from the breast. I would
Speaker 1: amend that's the same thing, though to say one might
Speaker 1: think the thumps are made by a little Honda generator
Speaker 1: because when I played again, Phil, I remember when my
Speaker 1: brother Matt turned twelve and he had to go sit
Speaker 1: in his own tree stand. He couldn't sit up in
Speaker 1: dad's tree stand anymore with him. I was. Then I
Speaker 1: went and sat with Matt and his tree stand. So
Speaker 1: he was twelve, I was nine or eight, and I
Speaker 1: remember sitting. I could take you and show you the
Speaker 1: exact Dame tree we're sitting in. Remember sitting there and
Speaker 1: he listening to a grouse, a rough grouse drumming. I
Speaker 1: was staying earlier. They they'll drum all your I don't
Speaker 1: all year, but they drum all around. But they really
Speaker 1: like to drum in the spring because it's like a
Speaker 1: territorial thing. Anyways, I remember saying to my brother Matt, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy finally got that lawnmower running, or that guy
Speaker 1: can't get that lawnmower running, or something in him saying
Speaker 1: that's a rough grouse because it's like a guy trying
Speaker 1: to get an old beater lawnmower gone. Uh. There's a
Speaker 1: thing in rough grouse biology where there's a drumming log
Speaker 1: and people will even when when assessing habitat or when
Speaker 1: um trying to get population estimates. There's even a thing
Speaker 1: of like using drumming logs as a way to assess habitat,
Speaker 1: being that there could be suitable rough grouse habitat that
Speaker 1: is in fact not suitable due to a lack of
Speaker 1: drumming logs. I never knew that they drummed at night,
Speaker 1: but we the other night had a rough gruff grouse
Speaker 1: drum all night. Bios. Not only that, Not only that,
Speaker 1: but that's son of a bit is out walking around
Speaker 1: at night, going from spot to spot to spot drumming.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about a vulnerable bird, man, Hold
Speaker 1: on there, They moved from one spot to another. Yes,
Speaker 1: that bird moved around at night. Yeah, we had the
Speaker 1: same thing. Happened a couple of weeks ago when we
Speaker 1: were camping. He would go from he went from one
Speaker 1: spot to another. It woke me up at two thirty.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, I'm late. I gotta you know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was morning. He just kept going. No,
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I didn't know that he moved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went from like our tents over to your tents.
Speaker 1: Is he hoping that it pays off that night? Like
Speaker 1: if female is going to confine him or is he
Speaker 1: just like planning for tomorrow morning. Well he's it's like
Speaker 1: territorial too. He's like saying, like, this is my spot.
Speaker 1: I just read on all about which comes out of
Speaker 1: Cornell Ornithology, and that you want to find out bird
Speaker 1: I was just quick plug. You want to find out
Speaker 1: the dope on birds, go to Cornell? Absolutely yea um,
Speaker 1: although they didn't have that. I just that I read
Speaker 1: to you about the vacuum sonic boom. But it's saying
Speaker 1: that it will also do this drumming on moonlitch nights,
Speaker 1: which it was when we were out there every night
Speaker 1: thing and just when there's visibility that it was a
Speaker 1: bright night, it was. It was so bright you could
Speaker 1: see the moon like it was looked like someone was
Speaker 1: holding a flashlight outside your tent. Huh, forty six years
Speaker 1: on this planet and I hadn't had a rough grouse
Speaker 1: drumming all night? Yeah? What else? What else is interesting
Speaker 1: is that that little sequence only last eight seconds? And
Speaker 1: how many times do you think he moves his wings
Speaker 1: in those eight seconds? No, not the one I heard?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because that little end explosion. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: oh it died again? Man m yeah, that bagger was
Speaker 1: you would think that annoys like someone else was saying.
Speaker 1: It was Garrett that was saying. He's like, yeah, first
Speaker 1: it's like real calming and nice, like listening to the
Speaker 1: stream trickle by, you know, the rough grouss drumming, and
Speaker 1: then an hour later he's ready to strangle that that bird,
Speaker 1: didn't you guys say you could like hear it dragging
Speaker 1: its wings on the ground or something. Right, Well, we
Speaker 1: got into our tents. Yeah, you know, you could hear
Speaker 1: him like literally walking in the leaves, like I mean,
Speaker 1: probably a foot or two from my head. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they're just happened to be from there, kind of perpendicular
Speaker 1: going out a giant you know, I don't know. At
Speaker 1: one end it was probably eighteen inches. At the far
Speaker 1: end it was three ft diameter log that took days
Speaker 1: to shoot it over. The main thing were supposed to
Speaker 1: talk about, Oh yeah, we got thing. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I gotta get it was so important I put it
Speaker 1: down at the bottom of my notes. I gotta get
Speaker 1: a closing thought too, but we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1: So did it happen, cal did it happen? Well, well,
Speaker 1: damn sure, better happened now everybody's talking about it. So
Speaker 1: what happened last night take it away is the word
Speaker 1: has been spread that when and there, there's all sorts
Speaker 1: that you know, everybody likes, say political feater these days,
Speaker 1: but it's all that's that's what they do back there,
Speaker 1: So it's it's not nobody should be shocked. Um, the
Speaker 1: word is out that when Congress returns from its recess
Speaker 1: for the Memorial Day break more Memorial Day weekend break,
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is going to lead with the Great American
Speaker 1: Outdoors Act, which is something that we've talked about a
Speaker 1: bunch and it had a bunch of steam, and I,
Speaker 1: for one, was was very concerned on how this was
Speaker 1: gonna fair with um, you know, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: getting slapped with this pandemic life and COVID and UH
Speaker 1: bailouts UH around COVID, and we went from you know,
Speaker 1: economy kicking ass and everybody's got jobs and now we
Speaker 1: have some serious unemployment in the country for the first Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I treated just like my Turkey season. It did.
Speaker 1: It did. It went went from the number one priority
Speaker 1: to boy, I hope I get around to that. Can
Speaker 1: you give it a first give the cliff note version
Speaker 1: of what it is. Yeah, so the Great American Outdoors
Speaker 1: Act is how bills get past these days. It's not
Speaker 1: an individual bill, it's it's a package. UM that the
Speaker 1: major points of this package, UH, Land and Water Conservation Fund,
Speaker 1: which has just been man if you've ever been interested
Speaker 1: in conservation. Land Water Conservation Fund is something that's been
Speaker 1: talked about forever and it's been a battle. But that
Speaker 1: is a fund that basically takes a tax off of
Speaker 1: offshore oil and gas revenues and earmarks that cash specifically
Speaker 1: for access programs, conservation programs UM and then individual states
Speaker 1: and agencies and UM and uh, you know it's available
Speaker 1: for private land as well. Can't apply for l w
Speaker 1: CF matching grants for projects UM. And some people dog
Speaker 1: on it with this like horrible argument of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that really nice bike path that uh is
Speaker 1: in my little tiny small town that's l w CF funds.
Speaker 1: What does that do for me? Um? It gaus people
Speaker 1: that you live around never really nice bike path? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like really like dragging, Like was it like
Speaker 1: they should have divided up the money by everybody in
Speaker 1: the community and given everyone like a dollar. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like questions like he doesn't this guy right, but um,
Speaker 1: lots of city parks, UM, some boat ramps, all sorts
Speaker 1: of different types of access. But I once heard, I
Speaker 1: don't know that's true or NOTO. I once heard that
Speaker 1: every county in America has had an LWCF project. Boy,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would lay it on the
Speaker 1: line to say every county but you and mind, Alaska
Speaker 1: doesn't do counties. Every absolutely every state, no, no question whatsoever. Um. So,
Speaker 1: but there's always been this battle to have UM both
Speaker 1: LWCF authorized and funded at the same time, which is
Speaker 1: something that we've really struggled with. UM. LWCF is in
Speaker 1: the Great American Outdoors Act. Um, We're sorry. Funding full
Speaker 1: and permanent funding of LWCF is in the Great American Outdoor.
Speaker 1: Is that that's where the LWCF then gets super complicated.
Speaker 1: It's like there's authorizing it. Yeah. So basically like Cal's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I want I wanna buy pack of gum,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, uh, yes, you can buy a pack
Speaker 1: of gum, and its like bunny to mind to buy
Speaker 1: the gump And then you would say, well, that's great,
Speaker 1: and that's not my department cal has been all the
Speaker 1: rise to buy gum, but doesn't have the money to
Speaker 1: buy gum. So then I'd go to Joannice as the
Speaker 1: chair of the House Appropriations Committee, and I'd say, Yannice,
Speaker 1: Steve over here has told me that it's okay to
Speaker 1: buy a pack of gum. And the pack of gum
Speaker 1: is a really nice pack of gum, and it costs
Speaker 1: this much. That's what I've come to ask you for.
Speaker 1: And Joannice would say, is it really that nice pack
Speaker 1: of gum? Do you really need? No? We could we
Speaker 1: can improve this because I say, you say, um, I
Speaker 1: need to buy a pack of gum. Uh, in my
Speaker 1: budgets a dollar, I'm allowed to spend a dollar on
Speaker 1: going And I'm like, yes, I authorized you spend dollar
Speaker 1: on gum. Then you go to Honest and say, well
Speaker 1: I need that dollar because I've been authorized spend a
Speaker 1: dollar and com yeah, it's like I get ten cents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of people need a dollar kid um.
Speaker 1: So yes, LBC have full impermanent funding is in the
Speaker 1: Great American out or Is Act. The other thing and
Speaker 1: this is when they say full full funding is nine
Speaker 1: million year, right, But that that is for these specific projects,
Speaker 1: which just gave me that money, um that people have
Speaker 1: to apply for. So it's not yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a cool thing. It has helped everyone, whether
Speaker 1: you're in a major city center or not, or very
Speaker 1: rural town. But they do there's a lot of checks
Speaker 1: and balances to make sure that that money gets spread
Speaker 1: around so that every county thing may very well be true.
Speaker 1: Uh you know that there's just a lot of counties
Speaker 1: out there. So but a lot of other stuff has
Speaker 1: been rolled into the Act, right. Yes. The major thing
Speaker 1: that I think is pretty darn neat is again it's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird twist because of the way the
Speaker 1: economy has gone and the jobless rate in America has gone.
Speaker 1: Here since people were starting to be like, oh boy,
Speaker 1: Great American Outdoors Act could have some steam. You know.
Speaker 1: President Trump was tweeting about l WCF, which is part
Speaker 1: of the Great American Outdoors Act. Um. Uh. Senator Dan's
Speaker 1: here in Montana. Senator Cory Gardner uh in Colorado have
Speaker 1: uh you know co signed um uh, you know co
Speaker 1: sponsored the Great American Outdoors Act. All this like good stuff.
Speaker 1: Fifty three co signers in addition to the first seven
Speaker 1: you want to be confusing books. So there's fifty nine
Speaker 1: co signers officially, um, which is which is a big deal. Uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans and Democrats on there. And then uh,
Speaker 1: but like I said, this odd thing going from the
Speaker 1: steam the momentum of like okay, this could happen, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we need like really funding in this pandemic. And it
Speaker 1: just made me very nervous. Tax revenues are going to
Speaker 1: go down, and then the oil and then oil leases
Speaker 1: are going to go down. Yes, Um, well there is
Speaker 1: funding in the Grand American Outdoors Act for this huge
Speaker 1: national parks backlog and a lot of folks and I
Speaker 1: think you were kind of one of them. You're like
Speaker 1: national parks. I don't play that much in national parks
Speaker 1: because that's where all the people go. Um, well there's
Speaker 1: a big push too. Then say, well, listen, we can
Speaker 1: put a lot of the funding towards national parks backlog,
Speaker 1: but we also have maintenance backlogs on blm US, Fish
Speaker 1: and Wildlife, Ground, Bureau of Reclamation, UM, Bureau of Indian Education,
Speaker 1: and so now, uh, there is dedicated funding to address
Speaker 1: National Park Service still gets the kind of lion's share,
Speaker 1: but then US four A service, BLM, Bureau of Reclamation,
Speaker 1: Bureau of Indian Education. So, uh, wasn't it that the
Speaker 1: service gets and then the rest of it was split up?
Speaker 1: I think five us F S five five. I think
Speaker 1: that's right. I think that's right. Yeah, specifically for maintenance.
Speaker 1: But then the neat thing when I keep going back
Speaker 1: to the job side of this is, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we have changed from like the U. S four Service
Speaker 1: having a crew to do everything to where they hire
Speaker 1: out contractors to do a lot of this maintenance. National
Speaker 1: Park Service the exact same way, US Fish and Wildlife
Speaker 1: same way. So it's like infrastructure spending. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: have a bunch of dedicated funding in this that will
Speaker 1: be paying contractors to do this work. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of bill jobs in this thing, which the timing
Speaker 1: of that with what's going on right now is is
Speaker 1: a really cool thing. So, but we're still at this
Speaker 1: moment talking about something that really should probably happen on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: so sorry next month rather um. Yeah. So Mitch McConnell,
Speaker 1: he has said he's bringing it out when we come
Speaker 1: back in session after the break. Um, there is a
Speaker 1: little uncertainty because there's not this supermajority that can carry
Speaker 1: the vote with through a detail. Right. Um. The you know,
Speaker 1: this has been controversial stuff because you know, people are antipers.
Speaker 1: You know, some people are anti spending on public lands.
Speaker 1: But the other kind of interesting thing here is one
Speaker 1: of the things that has been very consistent for folks
Speaker 1: in this weird time of getting some of our freedoms,
Speaker 1: like hey, you really shouldn't do that in the time
Speaker 1: of COVID for the general welfare everybody, well, one thing
Speaker 1: everybody for the most part it's been able to do
Speaker 1: is go outside and exercise outside. UH. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people have now found a renewed passion for being outside.
Speaker 1: If you talk to our state agencies, with which again
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot participation across the board in fishing, hunting, camping,
Speaker 1: outdoor recreation has been adding an all time high, UH.
Speaker 1: If you want to get back into it. My favorite
Speaker 1: subject tag allocation. I was talking to my friends in
Speaker 1: Idaho and they're like, oh, ma'am, UH would have been
Speaker 1: real hired to draw a tag this year because we've
Speaker 1: had record breaking submissions for UH draw tags. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard the same thing. I heard an interesting number yesterday.
Speaker 1: UM Minnesota year to date their fishing license sales up.
Speaker 1: No way, Wow, that's scary. Are getting out again. The
Speaker 1: stage is set. That's really something. So the so we
Speaker 1: need to do this thing, man, because you got people
Speaker 1: want to get out. We gotta be ready for him,
Speaker 1: even the National park people. Yeah, and like this is
Speaker 1: something that has a bunch of jobs built in. It's
Speaker 1: got a bunch of needs that we need to take
Speaker 1: care of built in. If you think there's too many
Speaker 1: people out there recreating, with more people out buying fishing licenses,
Speaker 1: uh LWCF, you know, take some time, but it can
Speaker 1: help spread out people by providing more access. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of really good stuff in here, and it takes
Speaker 1: so much freaking work and time to get one of
Speaker 1: these packages that you know is not uh a defense
Speaker 1: contract or all these other things that seem to take
Speaker 1: take precedence UH to the floor. You know, people are saying,
Speaker 1: call your representatives, call your representatives, call them, throw them
Speaker 1: into a stranglehold, man. Yeah, just just explain to them
Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah, come on, how much time
Speaker 1: you spend out there, how much money you spend out there,
Speaker 1: taking the family outside. It's a big deal. And the
Speaker 1: times now stay. If you want to sit on your stuff,
Speaker 1: uh and not talk about conservation stuff or or or
Speaker 1: pretending like you care, just make make one phone call
Speaker 1: on this and then you can be like, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: biggest thing that's ever come around in our lifetime. I
Speaker 1: was a part of that. I made a phone call
Speaker 1: and told vote for it. That would be a good time,
Speaker 1: still would be help even though around the cusps, but
Speaker 1: still be helpful, just to give it the extra umph. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: you can go uh and check out the actual bill.
Speaker 1: It'll tell you who's already CO signed. Um, yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can your guys out on there. You got your
Speaker 1: woman's honor. You can give them the heat. You can
Speaker 1: give them heat. But also call those people that av
Speaker 1: CO signed and say thank you. They need to hear
Speaker 1: that stuff too. They never hear thank you enough that
Speaker 1: you know, people in Michigan are showing up at the
Speaker 1: state capital armed because they want to get some of
Speaker 1: the restrictions eased. Yea, how can people don't show up
Speaker 1: armed about the LWCF down there? Man? I had too
Speaker 1: many acronyms, I guess I don't know. Yeah. Um, so yeah,
Speaker 1: this this is a big one. Call Call your representative,
Speaker 1: tell them you want them to pass the Great American
Speaker 1: Outdoors Act. Do you feel cal you're a cynical man. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's true. Um, you're a skeptical man and a cynical man.
Speaker 1: My favorite quote being, Uh, skepticism is the chast t
Speaker 1: of the intellect. But you're a cynical man. Do you
Speaker 1: feel that calling your representatives? Are you just twiddling your
Speaker 1: thumbs when you call your representative? Scale No, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think it has the impact
Speaker 1: that you want it to. Like I feel oftentimes, Uh,
Speaker 1: even if you have your ducks in her own you
Speaker 1: tell this awesome story and and you make that AID
Speaker 1: on the on the other end of the phone, Uh,
Speaker 1: cry over the for the sympathy for your plight. That
Speaker 1: aids just gonna mark another notch in the for against
Speaker 1: column and move on to the next regardless of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the intensity of the plea you might not matter,
Speaker 1: might not matter. That's what I heard. I was asking
Speaker 1: sort of a hypothetical question or not a leading I
Speaker 1: know what kind of question. The question we kind of
Speaker 1: already know the answer to it. But I've talked to representatives,
Speaker 1: um who have said on some issues where it's not
Speaker 1: like a huge on some issues where it's not just
Speaker 1: become like a big party thing or doesn't become like
Speaker 1: super partisan polarizing into partisan way and you have to
Speaker 1: like go with things and it just is, you know,
Speaker 1: just some issue that doesn't become overly politicized that they
Speaker 1: will literally calls and letters and they run a tally
Speaker 1: and it's like that your constituents seen to be falling
Speaker 1: very cleanly and favoritess and it's like got it yep,
Speaker 1: that's all go yep. Um. Yeah, so it's still like
Speaker 1: good old stuff like that still happens. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I've written letter emails. Um. You know, form letters are
Speaker 1: super easy, but it's not much harder at all to
Speaker 1: just write an individual letter that isn't attached to a
Speaker 1: form letter. I think that is more impactful. Um. But man,
Speaker 1: a phone call is so fast, so efficient, that's what
Speaker 1: those folks like. It's easier to make the phone call.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, they're always real polite. Oh thanks for calling
Speaker 1: and glad to hear you're you know, involved. Okay, bye, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna ask you where you live, you know, because
Speaker 1: they want to know if you're in there zone or not,
Speaker 1: you know. But I mean, it's it's it's something everybody's
Speaker 1: gotta be a part of. If not this issue, something else.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show, this is damn sure
Speaker 1: your issue. So get off your stuff and call great
Speaker 1: an email and be a part of the process. I
Speaker 1: got strangle hold little stuck in my head right now.
Speaker 1: Before our lives showing Detroit got canceled. You know what
Speaker 1: we had planned for it. I'm sorry postponed, not canceled, postpone,
Speaker 1: and we'll still do it anyway. But my buddy from
Speaker 1: high school, John Merchant, he likes to play guitar, and
Speaker 1: when we were little kids here, not kids like high schoolers,
Speaker 1: he always, uh like you could play all the nugent songs,
Speaker 1: you know, And um, we're gonna have John come out
Speaker 1: with a guitar at the live show and we're gonna
Speaker 1: do nugent name that tune and John I was gonna
Speaker 1: play opening licks to see who can name the song
Speaker 1: fastest way and go tango, and then we'll have a
Speaker 1: green tree and an accent in there. Uh are we
Speaker 1: doing concluders here. Okay, So I got a good one
Speaker 1: that's been bugging me. Um alright, so you guys got
Speaker 1: I'll make this real quick, and it's just out for
Speaker 1: everybody to judge. Here moment, you're gonna say something that's
Speaker 1: been bugging you in and I'm going to judge it. Yep, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta. It's a scenario, right, So, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: suburbs of Oklahoma City. These two kids are out fishing
Speaker 1: in their neighborhood pond, which is legal to do so legal.
Speaker 1: It is legal to fish the neighborhood pod. And they're
Speaker 1: fishing for bass in the neighborhood pond. Uh. And they
Speaker 1: want to say they're somewhere in the twelve fourteen year
Speaker 1: old range, the horrible age. Yeah for full of miss chieff. Right. Sure,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of trouble happens in there. I
Speaker 1: caught a lot of large mouth bass in them mirrors.
Speaker 1: Vehicle shows up, guide, an adult man steps out, walks
Speaker 1: to the water's edge with a cast net, uses the
Speaker 1: cast net to pull approximately three pound bass off of bed,
Speaker 1: and then drops that bass in the bucket next to him.
Speaker 1: The kids know that this is illegal, and they decide
Speaker 1: to go up and talk to the adult and just
Speaker 1: let him know that this is an illegal activity. And
Speaker 1: he begins to cuss the kids out, you know, basically
Speaker 1: like mind your own business. And at that point the
Speaker 1: kids call fishing game fishing wildlife. Uh huh I should
Speaker 1: have been talking, yeah, student, little buggers and that. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then they say, hey, just so you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we called fishing wildlife. They even went as far to
Speaker 1: explain to the guy before they called fishing wildlife that
Speaker 1: you can keep a bass with a rod and reel.
Speaker 1: So they're like, if you're really interested in keeping a bass,
Speaker 1: you can keep one if you catch it with a rod.
Speaker 1: Real mr, Yeah, just fish for him. Yeah. Uh So
Speaker 1: then now this guy's real irate and he's still cussing
Speaker 1: at these at these kids. Um. And then uh drives off,
Speaker 1: thinks better of it, jumps out, runs down to the
Speaker 1: water's edge, throws the bass back, continues to cuss at
Speaker 1: the kids. Uh, jumps in the vehicle and drives off. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then later on, fishing Game catches up with him,
Speaker 1: writes some a ticket, which he he he pays in full. Um.
Speaker 1: I was just sending these kids something. What was the
Speaker 1: ticket for illegal means a take I think illegal casting
Speaker 1: out in bass? Yeah uh um. So I notice in
Speaker 1: the the video footage the kids wearing a first light hat.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? Uh care him? Is his name? K A.
Speaker 1: R U M and his buddy writer were the two kids,
Speaker 1: and uh, I reach out to the father, right. I
Speaker 1: don't want to reach out to the fourteen year old
Speaker 1: kid without talking to his folks first. Um, and the
Speaker 1: guys like, hey, thank you so much for reaching out.
Speaker 1: There's some folks on social media that are calling the
Speaker 1: kids a bunch of names. They're taking it pretty hard.
Speaker 1: And then some of them names for what for turning
Speaker 1: the guy in? It was the guy that the guy
Speaker 1: thrown the bass back in the lake, they would have
Speaker 1: turned him in. Yeah yeah. The part of the concert. Uh.
Speaker 1: Conversation I had with the dad uh was fun though too,
Speaker 1: because he's like, yeah, they're taking it pretty hard. They're
Speaker 1: I mean, they're out fishing right now. But so the
Speaker 1: kids like their fishing and they're protecting their fishing horn.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to throw that story out and
Speaker 1: see what what the general sentiment was around this table
Speaker 1: as to uh, just just the whole thing as far
Speaker 1: as like, I think we should send those kids some stuff. Man.
Speaker 1: But it's a job well done. I mean they gave
Speaker 1: an adult. They're checking out there, looking out for the
Speaker 1: resource man the predator husbands is praying and they're pretty
Speaker 1: educated on the whole system, which is impressive. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: they're acting more responsible than a lot of adults would
Speaker 1: have acted. And if the story played out like you're
Speaker 1: talking about, if the dude had been like oh man, dude, sorry,
Speaker 1: throw the bass back, we'll be talking about Well, it
Speaker 1: seems like that guy had like a system, like you
Speaker 1: don't just run out of your car with a cast
Speaker 1: that like huh, I wonder what will happen? Like he's
Speaker 1: got it coming. Man, it sounds like you might have
Speaker 1: been doing some bucket biology. Oh yeah, that's interested stock
Speaker 1: in his own ponds somewhere else. Um, I we should
Speaker 1: send some of those kids. He had a first light hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't find any faults or any holes like with
Speaker 1: the story rating the dude out, But like again I
Speaker 1: wasn't there. He right, so I can see like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's bad to wrap somebody out. I can see someone
Speaker 1: making that argument. But if if the dudes is getting
Speaker 1: testy with them. What are they supposed to do? Fight them? Well?
Speaker 1: And that's things like this is a full blown adult.
Speaker 1: And you look at these these kids, and I hope
Speaker 1: you guys don't get embarrassed on this one. But they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, a little skinny havn't quite uh you know,
Speaker 1: beefed up yet. I haven't either, Yeah, you know, Steve
Speaker 1: hasn't either. But and then the other cool thing, the
Speaker 1: cool part of this is they're a good Samaritan steps forward.
Speaker 1: Uh grogis I think is this guy's name? Um? And
Speaker 1: he recalls his own terrible experience with an adult fishing
Speaker 1: as a kid, where some guy lost his temper and
Speaker 1: he recalls not ever even wanting to go back to
Speaker 1: that whole lake. And so he got a hold these
Speaker 1: two kids bottom uh Oklahoma lifetime fishing license a piece, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh a gift card to Cabellas or bass Pro
Speaker 1: or something. Yes. Yeah. And that's the way you should act,
Speaker 1: not tormenting these kids because they did the right thing,
Speaker 1: especially if you like to fish. That's interesting, that's a lovely,
Speaker 1: heartwarming story. Is that. I just don't think it was
Speaker 1: a concluder. It's not. It doesn't fit into usually what
Speaker 1: a concluder is like another talking point. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear what you guys, have you
Speaker 1: ever been like watch this. I'll be like, uh, man,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, cal that that stuff you
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier. Um, that warms my heart, buddy.
Speaker 1: That's well, I don't have a concluder. I like the
Speaker 1: story cows a good way to end the day. Oh man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish we had a great uplifting story like that
Speaker 1: on the show Man. That's like I asked a few questions. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I told him. I wrote this up on the Weekend
Speaker 1: review podcast that Cols we can review coals. We can
Speaker 1: review best thing on the internet. I'm like, just type
Speaker 1: that and you'll pullp Cols. We can review those those
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, those boys can fish with me. Uh last
Speaker 1: quick thing listening? We else got any that I've come
Speaker 1: to a thing on puffballs? Mm hmm. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: hard to see something in the woods it's edible and
Speaker 1: not pick it. I saw it, I grabbed it. Man,
Speaker 1: But you're not having good luck with him. I'm almost
Speaker 1: gonna I have yet to eat in my life, and
Speaker 1: I've made a fair number of them if you have
Speaker 1: to eat a puffball. Rouse there night we're eating those
Speaker 1: morals and you're like, damn, those are good. Dah, they're good.
Speaker 1: Hand in the woods Man. That's good. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Bleats so good. Yeah, what are the orange ones? Sweet mother?
Speaker 1: It's just good. You're patting yourself on the back. Good
Speaker 1: job picking that out. Every time every time I eat
Speaker 1: a puff ball, every time someone picks a puff ball,
Speaker 1: every time someone makes me a puffball pizza, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what it is. I'm always like, yeah, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: it's edible and it's not bad, but it's not bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to pick them up, morrel. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna walk away from They're just like very complimentary to
Speaker 1: whatever you're making, like on a burger in the Steaks
Speaker 1: us something like that, but like you're not gonna eat
Speaker 1: it on its own as an appetizer. We found two
Speaker 1: giant puff balls. I'd say not the size of a
Speaker 1: normal head, but the size of cow's head. I got
Speaker 1: that bigger, smaller than a normal No, like a puff
Speaker 1: ball the size of spencer's head. Now that's a puff ball.
Speaker 1: That's a big puff but a puffball the size of
Speaker 1: like cow's heads, about the size of a softball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: puff ball like that. But what I can't remember it
Speaker 1: was it had like this one had met metallic kind
Speaker 1: of Brody picked a nice one, but then we let
Speaker 1: it sit a couple of days and it got a
Speaker 1: little s out, but it wasn't like it's the white shot.
Speaker 1: But then but then me, my boy picked one that
Speaker 1: was like firm, nice, like any puff ball is edible,
Speaker 1: Like any puffballs edible. If you cut it open um
Speaker 1: and it's white inside, it's fine. Eventually they turn darker, darker,
Speaker 1: darker black, and then you can squeeze him and you know,
Speaker 1: the spores shoot up in the air. It looks like
Speaker 1: a smoke bomb at Fourth of July, but coming on
Speaker 1: white cutt into slices. I can't remember what we did.
Speaker 1: We wanted to, like, I think we just put it
Speaker 1: on foil on a grill shipload of olive oil, which
Speaker 1: makes anything be okay. And in the end it was
Speaker 1: like you couldn't. Kids didn't like it, kind of pasty
Speaker 1: in the middle. It's like tofuie. Yeah, kind of dune
Speaker 1: with those sons of bitches. That's all folks. Come on,
Speaker 1: I got oh no, go ahead, give the counterpoint. It's
Speaker 1: like one of those shows like point counterpoint. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm with you. I'm I think I think
Speaker 1: puff balls for burgers are aware of a hat because
Speaker 1: I just do like garlic butter, and then I have
Speaker 1: the puff balls all sliced up in there, and he
Speaker 1: just laid on top of burger and just laying on
Speaker 1: top of burger, and and nobody and a lot of
Speaker 1: times I'll do bacon burgers and then be when folks
Speaker 1: aren't looking, I'll be transferring that bacon grease into the
Speaker 1: butter dish. Also, nobody's walking away from one of those
Speaker 1: puffball mushrooms, right, It's like and it winds up being good,
Speaker 1: but like, okay, let me ask you why though, Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, because you've doctored it all up, I winds
Speaker 1: up being like fun to eat the mushroom. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I think their their nickname is like
Speaker 1: the breakfast mushroom, because what you should do with the
Speaker 1: puff ball is like tossing an omelet, toss it with eggs,
Speaker 1: put in a burrito something like that. How can you
Speaker 1: say that its nickname is the breakfast mushroom? But then
Speaker 1: say that it's not a widely held belief that pine
Speaker 1: squirrels bite the knots off all the squirrels. You got
Speaker 1: me there? Maybe like one person called it the breakfast mushroom.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love putting the truth about breakfast mushrooms.
Speaker 1: Are you typing in breakfast mushroom, Junie, I'm gonna type
Speaker 1: in puffball mushroom nicknames. See what happens, Spencer's It's gonna
Speaker 1: be all right. Who else got a concluder? I'm good.
Speaker 1: I like Cal's story. I can't. Yeah, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: top it. I wanna make a defense in my breakfast
Speaker 1: mushroom thing here real quick. That's a good concluder from
Speaker 1: from while I have another concluder yet, so this one
Speaker 1: doesn't count this up? Uh? From the book Wild About Mushrooms,
Speaker 1: the cookbook of the Micological Society of San Francisco, they
Speaker 1: say some people refer to puffballs as breakfast mushrooms because
Speaker 1: they blend so well with eggs. Okay, that seems definitive
Speaker 1: enough to me. Okay, so you're my concluder. Was that's wrong?
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that a recent episode had the best, most
Speaker 1: unexpected thing ever said on it that I heard over
Speaker 1: Quarantine recent episode of what of the Meat Eater podcast
Speaker 1: this very show, Yes is something you said? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been. I've been catching over here something
Speaker 1: I read on a blood Spencer new the best most
Speaker 1: unexpected thing I've ever heard on the Meat Eater podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: I've been catching up Quarantine and I've thought about this
Speaker 1: once a day, I swear to you since I heard it,
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen you guys because of social distancing
Speaker 1: to bring it up. But in episode two eighteen, Kevin Murphy,
Speaker 1: I was talking to you guys, and if I were
Speaker 1: introducing one of you, if I were like introducing Brodie
Speaker 1: to somebody who didn't know Brodie, I'd be like, this
Speaker 1: is my buddy, Brodie. He just moved here from Colorado.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know that a little shi, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is my buddy. Honest. Uh he used to
Speaker 1: guide elk hunters something like that. Like that's that's just
Speaker 1: like a pretty normal introduction. Kevin Murphy blindsided you guys
Speaker 1: with something that I think you were so caught off
Speaker 1: guard you didn't even address it. But Kevin Murphy said, uh,
Speaker 1: does he listen to this podcast. Oh, probably not. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to here he does not. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to reach out anyway. He's to like
Speaker 1: put a ball on this. But he said something about
Speaker 1: that was with my buddy Raymond, and Raymond doesn't let
Speaker 1: me go into gentlemen's clubs in foreign countries. And then
Speaker 1: he just moved on from there. Never never brought it
Speaker 1: back to that. It had nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: rest of the two hours that you guys talked, But
Speaker 1: that was his footnote on his buddy rain Like, if
Speaker 1: you want to know what kind of guy Raymond, Yes,
Speaker 1: he does not let you go into gentleman's clubs and
Speaker 1: foreign countries. So yeah, you're like, okay, so he's he's coolheaded,
Speaker 1: he thinks ahead, he doesn't get carried away in the moment,
Speaker 1: I was waiting for something to come back to that
Speaker 1: story or like how is this relevant? And it never happened,
Speaker 1: and it it's bothered me because I tell him telling you,
Speaker 1: I thought about it every single day. I can see
Speaker 1: that a little bit because I certainly caught that when
Speaker 1: he said it, and the thing that came to mind
Speaker 1: to me I was like, well, Kevin, to me, that
Speaker 1: says that you were on your way to a gentleman's
Speaker 1: club in a foreign country and your body thought better
Speaker 1: of it and he stopped you. You know it. So
Speaker 1: I kind of kind of said a little bit about Kevin,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if he got a service background,
Speaker 1: merchant mery and or something like that. I just want
Speaker 1: to know what inspired like that specific footnote. There has
Speaker 1: to be some sort of back and ask him and
Speaker 1: you can report back to us. Do you even recall
Speaker 1: that being said, Steve? No, But like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, like if I have someone on, sometimes
Speaker 1: i'll have someone and I'll go back and listen because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a lot of things in my
Speaker 1: head hosting m HM. And the thing with Kevin two
Speaker 1: man he uh he uh has the gift of gab
Speaker 1: and it flows thought to the next and one idea
Speaker 1: to the next pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah, well we can
Speaker 1: follow up on that keeping you up at night. Huh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the this is you got one too? Oh
Speaker 1: you still got a concluder though I gave it. I
Speaker 1: gave Spencer month, so you got one. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a story for a concluder about going to gentleman's
Speaker 1: clubs in foreign countries. I Uh, one time I was
Speaker 1: working on this magazine story and I had to go
Speaker 1: to the Santiago and Chile and I just started dating
Speaker 1: my wife and I brought her with me, and I uh,
Speaker 1: we had hired a guy I needed needed to hire,
Speaker 1: like a translator and someone to help out with stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: And so I said, man, I really want to get
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, and he said, well, how about
Speaker 1: a coffee with legs? And I thought he meant like
Speaker 1: a strong coffee. So I'm like, yeah, what other kind
Speaker 1: is there? Right? Or whatever the hell I said. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I would like that's what I thought he meant. But no,
Speaker 1: what do you mean means? Is he takes us to
Speaker 1: this like underground arcade in Santiago and it's uh coffee
Speaker 1: shops that our staffed by naked women. So, and it's
Speaker 1: businessmen doing business meetings. It's black, there's black lights. It's
Speaker 1: full of like businessmen at eleven in the morning having
Speaker 1: meetings and you're being waited on and served coffee by
Speaker 1: nude women. And so I'm with my wife and so
Speaker 1: I'm trying very hard to not look at anything. I'm
Speaker 1: just like not looking at anything. All three of you
Speaker 1: want to get a coffee. There, Me, the translator, and
Speaker 1: my wife are sitting very awkwardly, and he's like, isn't
Speaker 1: it great? Isn't it great? You know? And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there like I'm not looking, I'm not doing anything. And
Speaker 1: I had my notebook out because I was taking some notes.
Speaker 1: And eventually my wife took my notebook and she drew
Speaker 1: a picture in it. And I looked and it was
Speaker 1: a woman. It was a picture of a woman holding
Speaker 1: a pair of scissors and a man's scrolled them gentleman's
Speaker 1: clubs in foreign countries. Man, go ahead, Johnny, I'll let you.
Speaker 1: I'll let it end on that I was. I didn't
Speaker 1: have one. I gave a dispenser. I said, what was yours?
Speaker 1: H No, you said that was the thought. The puff
Speaker 1: ball thing was me doing a follow up. The concluder
Speaker 1: was that Kevin Murphy had the greatest most unexpected line
Speaker 1: your podcast history. Okay, Phil helps out here now, now
Speaker 1: Phil the engineer, please provide a concluder so we can
Speaker 1: wrap her up. Yet one minute, Well, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna I was actually gonna try to cut you guys
Speaker 1: off because I thought the picture of your wife drew
Speaker 1: into the laughter. Bring the music up. That's that's the
Speaker 1: end of the podcast. Go ahead and do that, Phil,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Is it too late? No? Can we
Speaker 1: talk about this and then have that happened and you
Speaker 1: can we can talk about its going to hear what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Let's say, let's you played this and
Speaker 1: then did what you would have done right and show
Speaker 1: that you were right. Sound okay, I would do that.
Speaker 1: Now back up and do what you would have done right. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Here comes men, folks. It was a
Speaker 1: picture of a woman holding a pair of scissors and
Speaker 1: a man scrolled them Gentlemen's clubs and Foreign Conscience Man