WEBVTT - Ep. 223: Shooting Trees to Death 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.680 predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.479 most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.640 app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:36.160 you stand with on X Spencer, What was the point? 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:42.520 You're just making a lot of like books legally allow 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.560 you to shoot a male turkey based on the appearance, 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:51.120 with children's books like regulation books, yes, as we call 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:55.040 him Spencer allow you to fill a male turkey tag 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.600 based on the presence of a beard or spurs either 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.760 or Yeah. So what I'm saying is, can you imagine 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.399 like being out in the woods and have a turkey 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.680 combined like no beard, no fan, not that that's like 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.160 an indication, but not a legal one. But then because 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.120 there are times with no spurs and the times and 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.280 no beards. Yeah, so I I can't imagine a scenario 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.560 where you'd be like shooting him off the spurs. There 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.440 it is spurs legal bird. The reason I made you 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.960 remake that point is we're just talking to this feller 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:36.360 about hunting oscillated turkeys. So for you knuckle heads at home, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.720 all that there are. We've covered this a bi zillion times. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.920 The regular old American wild turkey. There's five sort of 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.520 like you know, there's five what some people like to 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.400 call subspecies of the regular old American wild turkey. Rattle 0:01:55.480 --> 0:02:00.040 him off, yohnnie. Uh. Starting down in the southwest the 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.720 Wolds turkey. Moving over to the southeast and most of 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.240 the eastern part of the country you have the Eastern 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.640 but down in the southeast tip of or southern I 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.680 guess end of Florida you have the Osceola and then 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.600 in the central part and into the mountains we have 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.359 the Rio Grand turkeys and the Merriam's turkeys. Man, it 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.440 was a great, great job. I like that little thing 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.360 where you uh skipped over a bunch of the country 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.079 then doubled back. You went like west to east and 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.600 then doubled back. Well, I started, but I went south 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.600 and stayed in the south, oh yeah, and then came 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.640 up the east the counter you're starting in the south 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:44.560 south going counterclockwise. I like it. Uh. Anyways, there's a thing. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.040 There's another whole other species of turkey, which is kind 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.040 of like a turkey and a peacock had sex the 0:02:50.120 --> 0:03:00.200 oscillated turkey, which lives in yucatan Um areas of Central America, Guatemala. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.720 I think they got him in U does Belize, Yeah, 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.920 I think people hun him in Belize oscillated turkeys. Anyways, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.880 dude was telling me there's two ways. Like the oscillatord 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.200 turkey lives out in the jungle, low jungle, not like 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:18.160 high canopy monkey jungle, but low jungle. And a lot 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.239 of times people go down and hunt him in the fields. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.440 They just like slash and burn egg. And people like 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.600 the oscillated turkeys in the fields. The reason he was 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.120 telling me they like the oscillated turkeys in the fields, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:33.160 it's because you can see their footwear because these things 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:38.600 have some obscene spurs. Footwear meaning you want to see 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.280 how a giant in their spurs. And if he's out 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.040 in the field, you can actually judge them. You can 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.160 judge trophy, judge them. Real limb hangers. Yeah, you can 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.000 see if he's got limb hangers or not. Well, I 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.440 think every single one of those buggers has limb hangers. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:57.680 Some of them just like wrap around the limb. Uh too, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.200 so far there could be more. So far who have 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.160 the guess who've been on this show. Jim Halflfinger and 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:13.360 Tommy Edson have overcome the dreaded COVID nineteen that got 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.719 me thinking, have been afflicted and persevered. Tommy Edson said 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.320 it was the second sick as he's ever been, so 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:20.880 I promptly called him to ask him about what the 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.840 first was. But uh, helfle Finger, he barely knew he 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.920 was sick, but got sick, and that got be wondering, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.480 is it like is being on this show? And like 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.279 so E should do some math. Is there a higher 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.960 likelihood that higher than national higher? You know what I'm 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.800 trying to say? Does it does being on the show? 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.800 I mean that there's a higher likelihood that you get 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.520 COVID nineteen you're in a high risk group, or or 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.960 does it match the general the population in general? Like 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:56.000 what percent of Americans? Do we have a representative sample? 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.240 That's what I'm trying to get at. I Um, I 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.880 want it, man, I just want to get it over with. Well, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.440 I mean you very well good already had it. That's 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.080 what happened to him. He went down and took Jim 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.560 Heffelfinger went Tommy edn't just got sick of ship, and 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.040 he found out he had because he got the test. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.560 Heffelfinger was just curious if he'd had it, got the 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.520 thing and realized he'd had it a long time ago. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.159 My wife got real mad when I said I'd volunteer 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.120 to get it. Yeah. I got a friend. I don't 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.960 want to say who, one of the individuals that I'm 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.000 talking about right here. I was saying that in his view, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.640 if it wasn't for the risk of overwhelming the healthcare system, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.520 he says, I think we should all be licking door knobbs. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.000 But he says he's been very protective of his mother 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.120 because she's older and he wants her to hold up. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.200 But he said she's got a bunch of coupons burning 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.920 a hole in her pocket. He wants to get down 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.200 to the start with your cupons before the EXPIRER. Oh 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.440 my gosh. I want it, though I mean I don't want. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:55.880 I'm not trying to be more, but I just want 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.360 to Like, no, I want to get it and no. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.360 I was speaking with a friend of mine, Yes your day, 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:07.039 and um coworker of his, uh has the antibody has 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:12.440 had it? Has been uh in you know in quarantine 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.440 with her family, young children, and nobody else in her 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.520 family got it. I bet they got it, but it 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.599 didn't show the same thing with Tommy, Like no, but 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.000 they didn't show antibodies or oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.560 and she just floats around in the air for like 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:33.320 nine months. Man, I think it gets Obviously we wouldn't 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.160 quite have this thing nailed down. You know what, if 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.640 you're gonna end up being one of those guys that 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.240 we heard about in Turkey Camp last week that it 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.560 in the dirt, well, not only that, but it's six 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.520 three months later, he's still you know, suffering and lungs 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.920 aren't feeling too good. That's a that's a risk. I'm 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.680 just saying, Okay, I'm gonna trying. I want to like 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.760 put some brackets around what I'm saying. I don't want 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.840 to then become I don't want to then infect people 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.479 who don't want to be infected all this. If I could, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.480 if I could go to my fist, here's the thing. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.160 If I could go to my fish shack with a 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:19.200 little vial of spit from Tommy Edson spit and from 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.400 then right, I'd go to my fish shack by myself, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.920 drink Tommy Edson spit and then wait till I have whatever, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.720 wait for two weeks and go home. I would do 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:34.560 it just just to know. I even have like in 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.480 my notes, I have a thing like when I envisioned 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.320 me and like it. You know, that's saving Private Ryan 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:43.760 where they're real bad crowd. They're getting at um. They're 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.880 like in that knife fight and he's like, I stab 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.240 it near throat and then the knife turns. He's like, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.480 I'm gonna stamb it near throat and he gets the 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.400 knife turns like I gonna starthroat, right, and they go 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.280 back and forth like that. I imagine me and it 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.160 in a battle like that, and I like to think 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:06.520 eventually I would turn it into his throat. I have 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.240 to know I have. It's like I gotta know, man. Yeah, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.600 I'm I'm sure like everybody, I had this real weird 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:20.240 sickness when I went down to California. It was just 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.960 not feeling right, um for the you know, three days 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:30.120 I was down there. You're saying everybody in December, right, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.680 and yeah, so I'm on like the part of me 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.960 that's like, boy, i feel like I've already got it 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.280 because that was just a weird thing that I don't 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:43.280 feel like that too early, not for cases in California. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.720 You know, I heard a rumor. It just a rumors, 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.160 so I don't want to say too much, but I 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.400 heard a rumor that you and I were at a 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:58.559 place at a gathering. Yeah, that bad back in mid February, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.760 and there have been cases traced to the gathering that 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.600 you and I were at. I bet, I bet a 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:13.440 large gathering. Every wildlife related gathering in the in the 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:19.520 US all happens February in March. Yeah, And every every 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.880 state agency person that I've been speaking with in the 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.560 last couple of months, which is a lot, they're always like, oh, yeah, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:31.600 this conference that we had six biologists at that all 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:37.640 flew back home, had X amount of confirmed cases. So yeah, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.280 I'm ready to move on. I'm ready to move on 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.600 in more ways than one. I'm ready to move on, 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.120 and let's talk about a new thing. I'm but I 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.120 want to finish it with I hope that you don't 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.800 get it, because I don't think you're fully thinking it through. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.080 I know you want to have that that knife battle 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.839 with COVID nineteen, but I hope you don't get it 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.560 and you had to live one mean what it would 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.960 be like. I hope you don't get it, but I 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.680 don't want to get it. I'm perfectly fine. I want 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:08.200 to get it if I knew that it wasn't gonna 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.000 be that bad kind of like I want to get scratched. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:22.439 I want to get mildly scratch that other bracket your time, grizzly. Ah. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:30.000 There's a new trend, a new shooting sports trend. If 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.600 you if you want to see on top about going 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.959 and I'm on Instagram, go on Instagram at Steven Ronnella, 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:43.720 ste v and Ronella um and you'll see a video 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:48.800 I just put up of Uh. People have always gone 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:54.880 out onto public land or you know, areas, and through 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.840 garbage everywhere and dumped appliances and computer monitors and what 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.920 have you and beer cans and shot them all to hell. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.440 It's always happened. It's always been horrible, but it's always happened. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.280 There's a new thing of that. You go out to 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.040 public land and do all the normal stuff. You still 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.320 dump all your garbage, you still dump all your beer cans, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.719 you shoot them all the hell. You don't pick them up. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.640 You strew paper everywhere. Don't pick any of that up 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:28.000 shell casings everywhere, don't pick that up light, junk on 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.120 fire all that. But the new thing is there's an 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.520 added thing of shooting trees over. Have you seen this? 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.440 I saw it on your video that you post and 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.959 we how many places have we seen shot trees shot 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:50.280 over this spring? No, two regions, multiple locations, Oh sure, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.400 multiple locations within those spots in those zones. I probably 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.080 in the one location, I probably saw a half dozen places. No, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.959 I think, honestly, I think it was more than a 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.600 half dozen places where people had more than a half 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.560 dozen clusters of trees where people had engaged in trees 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.880 shooting over. And I gather it's just like every time 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.880 you go out, every time you get a couple of 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:17.599 dollars saved up, you buy enough Ammo to go and 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.880 whittle away at the tree some more. Well, yeah, it 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.120 saves you money on not having to buy the targets 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.760 or beer having beer. Can No, I think that it's 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.440 not because they're putting targets on the trees. It looked 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.920 like they are deliberately do. What I'm saying is if 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.600 you don't have a target, you just use the tree. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.440 At and shoot trees over, but you'd have to be 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.000 buying some serious bulk ammo oh. It's a long term 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.240 project engaged by groups of people, is shooting trees over. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:47.200 It is the ugliest, ugliest thing. It gives such a 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:52.599 black like this garbage dumping public land. Now I'm not 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.200 opposed I shoot him, but every time we go to shoot, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.839 we shoot on public land. Typically clean your junk up. Man. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.240 I told you that it's like humiliating. It's humiliating to 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.760 be to see it and have to be like, that's 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.079 a version of me. That's like a dude. It likes 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.920 to shoot. He likes to hunt, maybe, but he also 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.920 likes to just ship up the woods. The Spencer took 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.360 us out to a chunk of state ground not too 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.760 far from here. I've been out there a couple of 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:27.320 times to shoot, and there's typically always somebody shooting out there. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.360 But I always, you know, build my uh cardboard box 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.680 target uh and go through all the hassle of wandering 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.240 over there and picking it back up. Well, now the 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:44.199 box is absolutely necessary because I have to go pick 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.319 up everybody else's crap. You come home with your box, well, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.199 everybody else's junk yeah, I mean it's it was shocking. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.720 And the thing is, just like you were saying before 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.160 I cut you off, is I'm just a person shooting, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.760 as is everybody else who's driving on that road, and 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.079 it's right next to the road. I'm indistinguishable from the 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.320 next person. And if they ever stopped, they're gonna be like, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.760 Holy ship, these people are pigs, you know what I mean. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.840 It's just it's bad. It's so bad. The reason you 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.840 gotta be extra careful with your garbage when you go 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:24.280 shooting is because I imagine. Okay, let's say you you 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:32.200 found the last ten people who totally shifted up one 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:37.440 of these tree shooting over areas, and you you uh, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.960 surveyed them somehow or interviewed them. I bet you if 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.880 they had gone to a pristine place that wasn't shifted up, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.000 they wouldn't have shifted it up. They wouldn't have shouted up. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.200 There's certainly less less likely too. But the minute someone 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.880 goes and leaves all their trash and their casings laying 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.360 everywhere and tries to shoot a tree down, the next 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.320 mug that goes there, it's like, oh, I guess this 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.600 is just one of those spots and what's the difference. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.760 Now there's there's no other way. Like the video I 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.440 put on Instagram doesn't even begin. That went on for 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:24.400 hundreds of yards. Yeah, that's it. That's an exaggeration. That 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.360 went on for two hundred yards, a lot of lead 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.680 land in the ground. I didn't have enough film to 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.840 film it all. Maybe we should uh inquire and see 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.360 if there's maybe some like old dumps that you know, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.840 many portions of dumps aren't being used anymore for you know, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.760 regular dumping, and then we could steer these people to 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:49.520 go to the dump. You go to the dump to shoot, well, 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.360 you go to a gravel pit. It's kind of hard 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:52.920 to mess up a gravel pit. Like a gravel it's 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.960 already messed up. I like what you're saying, though, yeah 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.080 on us, because then you'd be like, if you can't 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:03.440 bear to part with your trash without shooting, here's a 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.840 lane for you at the county dump. At the count 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.120 pull in the way your truck. They're like, if you're shooting, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.440 go shoot over there where they could charge you for 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.400 a busted TV, like they make a little extra money, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.440 and be like her, you want a TV, take this 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:22.240 one dollars. You can go to the dump and buy 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.280 garbage from the dump to shoot up, pick up glad, 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.880 whatever you want, and they every week that his bulldoze 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.480 it back into a dumpster and everybody gets to shoot garbage, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:32.400 and they can put old dead trees up and people 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.000 can shoot him over. I think that we you know 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.200 what I want to do. There's a local little river 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.600 access site that I wanted to do a clean up on. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.800 I would rather because I feel more like um complicit 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.440 as a as a person that goes and shoots, that 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.040 uses public lands to shoot. I don't want shooting on 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.280 public lands to become illegal. That would be a real 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.840 pain in the ass. I think that we should start 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.040 a thing and now and then go to an area 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:05.960 that's been totally shifted up. I got so many ideas 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.879 of where to do this go to and also some 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.840 of its wire houser land. We just found some wire 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.639 houser land that have been like basically just like like 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:20.360 completely desecrated by recreational shooters. And it's a lot easier 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.199 for a place like wire Houser to be like you 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:27.000 know what, man, We're done no more. For those not aware, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.200 wire Houser is one of the largest landowners in the US, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.280 and they're pretty good about access. It's a private entity, 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:39.160 it's a um timber company, and yeah, historically very good 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.960 about access. If I was the CEO of wire Housing 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.359 and I had to be driving down the road around 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.440 talking about I'd be like, you know what, I don't care, man, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.919 that's it. Yeah, that's it. Very good about access, to 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.199 the point that a lot of people who recreate on 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.000 wire houser land just think that it's us for a 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:02.080 service land. Yeah, some guys we were just recently walking 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.840 down a road on wire houser land. It's a sign 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:11.800 very clearly expressing all more no motorized anything. So it's 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.840 like they gotta sign ups like it's got a quad 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:15.960 runner with a slash through it, it's got a truck 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.960 with a slash through it. It's got a motorcycle with 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.359 a slash through it. It's got a snow will be 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.280 able to slash through it. A couple of days after 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.600 you were there, I parked in front of that gate. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.240 It's like like it had recently rained. I didn't see 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.080 any fresh tracks cutting and there oh no, and the 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.560 greater had gone down the main road and I didn't 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.920 see any tracks, and it was pretty early in the morning. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.960 I didn't see any tracks cutting the edge of the 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.560 greater you know, and uh something, just like, oh, I 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.840 just parking front of the gate, and I'll keep If 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.560 anybody's thinking about driving up there, they all they can't go, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.760 and I'll be up there by myself. Well, sure enough, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.080 I'm up there. I've been hiking already for probably close 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.399 to two hours, and here comes a little side by 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:56.560 side really yeah, so they're cool. They drove me down 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.479 and moved the truck, and they drove me back up 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.960 so I could continue hunting. But they worked for a 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:06.360 wire houser, just breaking the law, just like what you're described. Well, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.520 this gate that had been left open, but there was 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:12.560 no mistaking what was supposed to happen here. We hiked 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.119 up it and I come to an old four service truck. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.320 I was like, that's weird, like old, like a you know, 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.159 eighties four service truck. And I thought like, I don't know, 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.800 maybe they have maybe wire house I don't know. Maybe 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.479 they bought bolt four service trucks and their guys use them. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.359 I don't know. So eventually here comes a couple of 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.640 guys ripping down the road on motorbikes, and then I 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.320 realized that they drove their motorbikes in in the truck. 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.240 So they load their motorbikes up and then I'm walking 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.000 all the hell way back down the road and they 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.720 pull up and asked I want to ride, and I said, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.159 you guys work here, and he looks at me like, 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.440 what in the world are you talking about? And I said, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.240 because you're not. I'm not gonna get in because you're 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.040 not supposed to drive here. Like they're super like wire 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.119 houses are super clear about that. And it looked at 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.560 me like I was like a Martian, look like, who 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:05.159 is this wire houser? The gates open? Bro, didn't you see? Yeah, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.320 it just kills me. Anyways, I think it's a good 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.520 project and this would be something you should spearhead cal 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:17.040 We should um develop a thing we're now, and then 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.320 we take a day off of work. I'm tracking so far, 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.800 go on, take it off work and go to places 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.520 where people have shot the hell out of the area 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:36.600 and clean up everything the trees that have been shot over, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.280 cut them down off at the ground, cut the rest 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:46.840 of it up into stove wood, and uh, totally spit 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.440 shine that place. Then we can have a little leave 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.080 behind sign or something that says this place spit shined, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.639 keep it spit shined. Yeah, I like I would love 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.680 to do. We talked about this on the last podcast, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.280 so right talked about cleaning up. Actually we have been 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.720 to Missoula and seeing that. Well, do we talk about 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.120 shooting trees over? Yeah? We did, because yeah, a little bit, 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.840 that's all right, that's a message worth pounding twice. No, 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.520 I'm gonna make it just interesting up there because it's 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.640 obvious been going on long enough and then seeing enough 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.280 of it that there already was a forest service sign 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.520 that said no shooting of trees. As if you like 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:27.240 an actual sign like a commission, have a effing sign 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.960 to know you're not supposed to shoot trees. They shoot 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.480 him over at about chest height chess net hite because 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.159 they're standing. And every young man when he gets his 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.840 first axe and he's kind of cut loose, what do 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.679 you go do? Chopped trees down? Right? And then you 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:49.199 get reprimanded for chopping green trees down? Most people, I 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:53.240 think that's around when you're seven or eight years old exactly. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:59.159 I don't think seven and eight year olds are driving up. No, 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:03.000 that's the point I'm getting to, buddy, they missed that lesson. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.600 We we had a game as kids. Remember there's there 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.720 used to be a show. None of you guys remember this. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:10.639 There's a show called Name that Tune. I remember how 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.199 it went. But somehow, like there was like a thing 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.760 where you go, like the whole st names Bill or whatever. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.720 You'd be like, Bill, I can name that tune in 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.400 five notes, and then they must like play I don't 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.000 know what it is. They play five notes, and you'd 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.240 say what it is? I wish I could remember the 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.720 details better. Anyways, we had a version we'd call chop 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.439 that tree, and you would, uh, you would have an 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.200 axe or what have you, and you look out the 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.199 sassafrast tree or something. You'd say, Matt, I think I 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.040 can chop that tree in five swings. And then you 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.760 see if you could do it, And we do it 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.199 sort of to the rhythm and cadence of name that 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:49.520 tune shooting over a tree. Like never never ever crossed 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.280 my mind. And I was talking to cal in December 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.080 and I asked him I could borrow his steel chainsaw 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.200 to harvest a Christmas tree, and he said well, well, 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.960 you don't want to use your twelve game you don't 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.800 have a gun. Yeah. We used to do Christmas tree 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:12.560 hunting every year and uh we would take my ten 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:18.000 gage shotgun and uh, select a nice Christmas tree. What 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:22.320 that diameter would the trunk be? When when you're gonna 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.360 you know, just like Charlie Brown cherees, you know, what's 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.920 the best load shot size for that project? Whatever you got, 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:35.240 but like three yeah, no more than that? Yeah right, 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.080 A lot of times you could get it in one shot. 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:44.399 Yeah yeah, what range? Oh? Real close? Like ten feet 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.159 and under. You know, when we did our Christmas special, 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.520 we had a lot of emails, like I think there's 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.920 three from people whose tradition is to shoot trees down 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:53.840 to bring them home. That's different because at least you 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.800