1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: So a lot happened in Love Is Blind Season ten. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh I why do I love the season so much? 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: So many critics have said this is like the loser season. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: They're like, okay, said that last year, last year, last year. Yeah, 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: last year because nobody ended up getting together. Yeah, this, 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: We've got a good variety of like couples before the Altar, 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: couples at the Altar, couples that didn't even make it 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: out of vacation. I mean, so many thoughts Ashley and Alex. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: Ashley's speech to Alex at the Altar was one of 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: the most epic tell me your dad's abuse ever And 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: it was but so confident, and so I was just 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: like I was like, yes, girl, Yes, girl, was screaming 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: at the TV. Also like tell me your dad's a 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: lawyer without telling me. Yeah. I mean, it was so 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: buttoned up. It was so good. And you know that Dad, 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you know, he just loved this mom. 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: They kept panning to him. I was like, Hey, give 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: me more of Dad's face. It's interesting because you know, 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: when we were talking to our producer about who we 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: want to have on from love is Blind. He's actually 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: one of the people I wanted on because I just 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: don't trust him so much that I just he just 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: reminds me of a certain someone. He reminds me also 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: of a certain someone for you and for me. Yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: that it's just I don't I don't really believe anything 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: he says. But I always want to try to at 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: least find one thing and go, Okay, how like, what 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: did I miss and maybe maybe he was edited wrong. 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: I want to give someone the benefit of the doubt. 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: So sometimes I want to meet the people that I 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: don't really trust or like from those shows Sure to Go. 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: We've done that before. We've sat here and had him 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: remember what guy it was, but he was not a 35 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: very fan favorite, and I'm like, okay, I get it. 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: Oh he's our bachelor guy, Colton, Yeah, Colton. And we 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: had Gretchen Rossi, who's wildly misunderstood on Housewives. So I'm 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: always like, let me because I would want the opportunity 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: for someone to get to know me if they don't 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: like me. Sure, So those are the people that I'm 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: always like, I want that person on. I also love 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: that Alex was very vocal about Alex was very vocal 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: about where he came from, and I think a lot 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: of that plays into his imposter syndrome. Peace Like I 45 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: could see well, and his mom is very much a Kristin. 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: Her name's Kristen. Her name's Kristen. Okay, I mean she 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: she writes trucks, you know, drives trucks. I mean she's 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: she's kind of a nomad herself, where it's yes writing Harley. Yeah, 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean she's she seems like a badass. But I 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: think that also kind of bled into Alex a bit too, 51 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: and so it is confusing. It's like, wait, where were you? 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: But the moment she started to go wait, but you 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: went to Austin, then I'm like, oh no, I felt it. 54 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: Did you feel like I'm over at it? Because I'm like, yeah, girl, 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: keep digging because that answer is not accurate. I felt 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: it too. I was like, oh, we're onto something. We've 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: hit a sore spot because when a woman has to 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: ask a second question, we already know the final answer 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: is most likely. He started with a lie, a huge lie, 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: and he just kept snowballing his lies, and then I 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: felt like he I almost was like, do you want 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: five minutes to just go put yourself in a bedroom 63 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: with a piece of paper so you can like map 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: this out for yourself, org chart what it is. Yeah, 65 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: you need like a whole timeline and a whiteboard because 66 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: there's so much. I was so confused. I was trying 67 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: so hard not to dislike him. Yeah, I mean, I 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: wanted to like him, and I know, I was like, 69 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: all right, he's a soccer dude, and I'm like Alan, 70 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: you know, and Alan was Oh, Alan had thoughts, is 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: all I'll say. But I mean the fact that he 72 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: dissed a friend of ours like Tim Howard is a 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: great goalie. Did you see Tim Howard's rebuttal on the podcast? No, 74 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: I didn't see what you say. I have to send 75 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: this to you. I loved Tim like I've known Tim 76 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: for a couple of years known he's a lovely human. 77 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: He presents that way and lovely. Even his rebuttal to 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: him was I'm gonna find like, listen, sir, like the 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: amount of times that he said that he didn't make 80 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: it in his career because of his injury he has 81 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: in my mind, and I've known people like this or 82 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: because of the fact they weren't able to go fully 83 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: they use it as a crutch to it becomes who 84 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: they are. So I'm like, oh my gosh. And I 85 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: know it was probably edited that way, but the amount 86 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: of times he said it. Also, We're going to the 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: altar and he's like, it's it's game day, man, it's 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: game day. And I'm ready and I'm going through the 89 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: tunnel and the crowd is roaring, and I was like, 90 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: what run for your lie? About to get Ashley. I 91 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: wanted Tim say I really do want to find it? Yeah, 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: find it okay. And then another couple that I had 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: a really who I would love to talk to is 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: Brittany and DeVante, because when I watched back Brittany, even 95 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: after he says he doesn't want to go to the altar, 96 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: Brittany going, but I know we're going to be together, 97 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: it was I wanted to just kind of like grab 98 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: her and be like, girlfriend, he's not giving you the 99 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: love that you deserve. Respect, you are stunning. You are 100 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: a stunning woman. He's not He's not giving you the affection. 101 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: Why are you settling for Davante? I was like, right game, 102 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: wrong player, Like this dude when he said I go 103 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: into my nothing box. Preston goes, this guy is a 104 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: nothing box, like he's giving us nothing. Yeah, and Allan 105 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: was even like what is she doing? Why? Like no, 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: he doesn't want to be with her, And I'm like, 107 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: I know, but I'm you know, just to see like 108 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: what how she now thinks, you know of watching that back, 109 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: because that's got to be tough to watch back because 110 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: I've also been that girl being like no, I just 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: you know, he needs some time and like I know 112 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: we're going to be together. It's like no, no, And 113 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: she her wedding dress settle. 114 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: She brought the. 115 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: Dress before the show, so she was real ready. I 116 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: vote her most ready. But I do one little piece 117 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: I'll give Davante is I can understand from a guy's 118 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: perspective how that might feel like you already got your dress, 119 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: so like would were you just wanted to get married 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: to anybody? So I do understand that piece a bit. 121 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: And he lost his grandfather during the tape the film 122 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: end of the show. But also if his truecore is 123 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: not being affectionate and doing you know, that's this is 124 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: the beginning of a show. This is you know, my 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: all time favorite was Vic and Christine. I just love 126 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: them together. So question much. You already know the question, Okay, 127 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: why are they away from everyone else? I have a 128 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: feeling someone didn't have a passport, was my thought. Okay, 129 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: so I thought this too, somebody this. I don't dig 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: too deep on the internet for so many reasons you 131 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: and I both understand. But one of the theories is 132 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: that they were too good and they knew they were 133 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: going to be too boring, like not dramatic and too 134 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I want to believe that's not 135 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: the reason. I saw someone say that too, but I 136 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: really think it. There was a reason why they couldn't, 137 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: like a passport or something. They did allude to charges 138 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: in the past. M At one of the episodes, they 139 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: talked about them both have having some sort of history, 140 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: like not I don't want to say criminal history because 141 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: that sounds really dramatic, but there was something, okay, that 142 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: they shared in common or something. So I wondered if 143 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: Preston's theory also was the passport. And by the way, 144 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: probably all this is being answered, but we haven't watched 145 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: the reunion yet because it hasn't aired yet. 146 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: For us. 147 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: By the time this airs, it will have aired, we 148 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: will probably know these answers, but or speaking or not. 149 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: But I love them so much, all right, Tim Howard, 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: what did he say? Tim Howard says. Tim Howard responds 151 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 2: to being called weirdo on Love is Blind, which again 152 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: he is. He's he's such a respectful, well spoken, really 153 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: really great. He's a great dad. Like he's a good dude. 154 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: So what happens is Tim's daughter calls him from college 155 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: and she's watching it with all of her girlfriends, and 156 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: she says, Dad, guess what happened? And he said what 157 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: And she said, we're watching Love is Blind and this 158 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 2: guy is talking about something you said or talking about 159 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: you and Alex Henderson, the guy's name, we find out 160 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: later is actually he has a different name. The whole 161 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: other thing. Yeah, I would really love to know if 162 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: they actually did get almost traded or whatever. Yeah, I accepted. 163 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: Really interesting. 164 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: My daughter is at she's at the training ground. They 165 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: have practice, right, So she's in like the corridor of 166 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: the training ground and she face times me and she's 167 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: in like her training kit, and her and her teammates 168 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: go valls. They watch all these shows. They watch all 169 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: like Love is Blind and Dancing with the Stars and 170 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: all that and She's like, Dad, you're never gonna guess 171 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: what happened. And I was like, what She's like. We 172 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: were watching Love Is Blind and this guy was talking 173 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: about I said, don't worry, I'll handle it. 174 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: It's fine. 175 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: So anyway, here's what I know, Alex Henderson. 176 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: Is that the guy's name. 177 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: That's the guy's name. That's the guy's name. Here's what 178 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: I would say. I know you're a fan, and I 179 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: have this on good authority, So all I'll say is 180 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: we can make everything right with the world, and you 181 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: just issue a public apology on whatever platform, whatever platform 182 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: you're on, you can issue a public apology and I'll 183 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: in advance accept it. If not, then I'll have more 184 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: things to say about. So we'll leave it there. How 185 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: does that sound? Joy? 186 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: Is that? 187 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: Is that acceptable? Oh? 188 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: I hope Tim says more things he should apologize though. 189 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: I think that's and I'm not saying publicly because listen, 190 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: I have I have gone to people's dms that I 191 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: have said things on here that go that when I 192 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: reflected that probably wasn't a nice thing for me to say, 193 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: and I have public privately because I'm like, why do 194 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: we need to draw more attention? To it right, So 195 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: I will. I have with a couple of people. I've 196 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: privately gone into a DM and been like, hey, you know, 197 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: I really misspoke on the podcast, and I apologize and 198 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: I don't know your heart, and but my heart is 199 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: not to do that either, you know. And so it's 200 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: and you know, there's been conversations. So I think there's 201 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: I think there's a private way you should go about 202 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: it too. Agree, Well, he goes almost here to talk 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: about how he slammed David Beckham, Sir David Beckham and 204 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: and his producers in this clip actually much to like 205 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: how Hannah would defend you. And I came in right 206 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: away and we're like, well, actually we're not leaving it there. 207 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: Alex isn't even his real name, and they just go 208 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: into it. But like, you have to know when you're 209 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: on a show like this that you just have to 210 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: know that is going to make you big, whether whether 211 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: it's the right attention or the wrong attention. And so 212 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: then I question, why are we on the show? Oh yes, yeah, 213 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: uh huh, because you knew you're not just talking about 214 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: just anyone. We're talking about the Beckhams. Would you think 215 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: of Emma and Mike, sweet Emma. Yeah, Emma just has 216 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: a lot more therapy to do. Yeah, that was, yeah, 217 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: I think, and not even me judging it was just 218 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: like I don't want to be judged for this thing 219 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: that I have, but then I lead with it. I 220 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: can't and I can't imagine being adopted, all of it, 221 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: all of it. That would that abandon I feel abandonment 222 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: because my dad left my mom. Sure, I mean so 223 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what it feels like to be 224 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: adopted and the feelings that you go through and walk through. 225 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree, I hope there's a Yeah. I 226 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: think she was honestly the very mature. Yeah, she was 227 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: really mature. But I also think Mike was wildly mature. 228 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: I mean he knew what he wanted, which I loved 229 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: a family. Yeah, And and good on him for not agreed, 230 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, going down the aisle, you know, not knowing 231 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: if she's gonna because that I would never if if 232 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: Mike had said in the very beginning, no kids, I'd 233 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: be like, nope, right, agreed, hundred percent, no, yeah, no 234 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: matter what. Yeah, I just don't I did. Really. I 235 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: think this may not be a popular opinion, but I 236 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: really enjoyed Mike's mom. Oh yeah, I felt very I 237 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: feel like we all I feel like we all know 238 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: a Mike's mom and I was like, yes, girl, get 239 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: in there. Amber and Jordan oh Ammer and Jordan might 240 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: be my favorite. I love them so much. I just 241 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: love how absolutely themselves they are. I didn't think he 242 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: was gonna say yes, though, But I'm like, you were 243 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: going to be the most hated person if you didn't 244 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: privately take her aside, agreed and let her daughter walk 245 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: down the aisle. I was like, for the love of 246 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: your rest of your life, right, please at least say 247 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: yes now and then back out later if you have to, 248 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: Like you cannot let that sweet little girl walked down 249 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: the aisle and you say no to the mom and 250 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: at the altar agreed. I was actually shocked they showed 251 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: her Yeah, but I do I also really respect her. 252 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: I mean, she pulled him aside and I was like, listen, 253 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: I'm a lot, this is a lot, you know, and 254 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 2: she she said, this is, but that's the most beautiful 255 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: piece of her I know. But I also like that 256 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: she acknowledged. Yeah. But I don't know if he's I 257 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: didn't feel like he was ready now. It'd be interesting 258 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: for me to know if they make it that it 259 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: was the reunion, that's the Yeah, for the reunion, that's 260 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: the number one. Because I do see her walking away 261 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: in a clip too. I know, I wish they wouldn't 262 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: sometimes I wish it wouldn't tease the reunion. They know 263 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: how to keep us. But but we have got Jessica 264 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: coming on. She's all over the internet right now. Is 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: the hot doctor. Jessica was dumped by Chris and he's 266 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: the infamous one. Even even Allan knew. He's like, oh, 267 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: is this the one that dumps her? Because he doesn't 268 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: she doesn't have a plates body? I can't. Did you 269 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: see there's this is wild? There's an Ohio Pilate studio 270 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: that I just want to commend because they were like, 271 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: if you're working on your hot body, and they photoshopped 272 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: him in and then it went viral. But yeah, I 273 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: also saw her doing Plate's Like the whole thing is 274 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: is hilarious, all of it. It's really funny, but it's 275 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: also really sad that like, why do you have to 276 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: go after when you're breaking up with someone? The body 277 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: shape of things? Yeah, I also just he's another one 278 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: where I'm like, we know, the purpose of the show 279 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: is to find a partner for life and potentially marry them, 280 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: And I don't feel like, objectively he's in the season 281 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: of life where that's really what he wants. No, so 282 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: it was wild. Also like he doesn't want kids, he 283 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: doesn't want responsibility. Yeah, so I mean suburbs. Yeah so 284 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: i'd car with four doors. I mean, I mean, the 285 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: list goes on. He didn't say I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, 286 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: of course not you, us and the rest of the world. 287 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: But she's got a new man, So let's take a 288 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: break and get a Oh don't you guys just look 289 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: cute on the couch. Hi, guys, you're a little closer 290 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: than me and KB are on a couch, and only 291 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: because it makes better TV for us over here. Yeah, 292 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: or else we would do the same. 293 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 294 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I'm Janna, I'm Kristen. 295 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm horrible easy to remember that. 296 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: Ye, there is that a family name? 297 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 5: Or yeah, so it's a Bunjabi's Northwest Indian and came 298 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 5: up with that. 299 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: I love that. You know what I love more than that, 300 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: I love an e er doctor finding himself an internal 301 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: menacine doctor and just living forever together. Yeah. So I 302 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: don't want to be disrespectful because you've got your new 303 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: man next to you. But we got to go in 304 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: the pods first. Is that okay? 305 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 306 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: She was like a naturally. I was like, I don't 307 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: want to like I want we we love a good relationship. 308 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: Next chapter chat, but we also want to go back 309 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: just a tad bit. We also love that here. We 310 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: love going back, and I love going back in the 311 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: past a little bit, just a tad What we were 312 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: chatting about offline before you came on with the producer 313 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: is how in the world did you keep your cool 314 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: when he said that comment to you? Because I would 315 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: I don't think I would have been as graceful as you. 316 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: I think that. 317 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 6: It has a lot to do just with what I've 318 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 6: been through in my life and recognizing that people when 319 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 6: they say things like that, really want a reaction, and 320 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 6: that not giving them that reaction is the best thing 321 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 6: that you can do. 322 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: You you were so profound. I mean, it was like 323 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: nothing I'd seen. My husband and I are junkies. Her 324 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: husband and her are junkies. Of love is blind. I 325 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: don't like any reality TV except love is blind, by 326 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: the way, and I really mean that you can it's 327 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: like a known thing. I just could tell that you 328 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: have had experience, you were married before. Is that correct? Yeah? 329 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: I said, there's a slow to speak about her and 330 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: a professionalism because right outside of this, we still need 331 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: you to be a doctor and to be credible, and 332 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: just your maturity was unmatched on the show at least 333 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: to us. 334 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 335 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: No, but you're so right about what you said. But 336 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: also I feel like a lot of times when people 337 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: talk about someone else's maybe appearances, it's more about their 338 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: own appearances. 339 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 6: Absolutely, or I think that in general, when people say 340 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 6: things that are that nasty, it's almost always a reflection 341 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 6: of their own insecurity or unhappiness. It's rarely about the 342 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 6: person in front of them. And I think it takes 343 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 6: so much time and effort to do the work that 344 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 6: you feel so unshre makable in your own self worth 345 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 6: that people can say whatever they want. Of course it's 346 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 6: going to hurt your feelings. Of course, of course it's 347 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 6: going to affect you in some way. But to be like, 348 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 6: you know, you can say whatever you want. I know 349 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 6: what the truth is. 350 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: Was there a moment before that though, that you were 351 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: done and over it, like or because it didn't seem like, yeah, 352 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: you were upset, but I almost I was almost thinking 353 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: to myself, I feel like she already was kind of out. 354 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 6: It all happened very quickly, like as soon as that 355 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 6: conversation started and a couple of sideways things were said, 356 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 6: I was like, I will never speak to this person again. 357 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: It just it was very very clear. 358 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he okay, So there was It was interesting 359 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: because I remember like, and I don't know if I 360 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: have the number right, but he was like he needed 361 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: a thirteen hour timeout or a thirteen hour break, and 362 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: you were like, I wouldn't have made that number up. 363 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, this is a gaslighting, sob 364 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: I like, justled your ground, you hold your ground. 365 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: And that's where it was. 366 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 6: It was something that he specifically said that was so 367 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 6: odd that I remembered it. 368 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: So he'll try to tell me that I made it. 369 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: Up, and obviously he's a doctor, apologize because the whole 370 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: entire world has also, you know, witnessed this awful thing. 371 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: You know, for a man to speak about a woman's body, 372 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: I just I find it gross. But he's obviously apologized. 373 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: Now what do you what do you? I mean, did 374 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 2: you accept the apology? Are you? Where are you at 375 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: with with him? 376 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 6: I'm completely indifferent, Like I don't know anything about him. 377 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 6: I don't care about him. I don't If he needs 378 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 6: to apologize to make himself feel better, that's fine, right, 379 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 6: does it? This is not affecting my life at all anymore? 380 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: I do want to know how. Sorry. I just want 381 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: to like, I'm having hard time in my real time 382 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: not time, And I'm also just so sad that this 383 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: isn't Wednesday because I've been waiting for this reason most 384 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: of these that he had long hair and that you 385 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: were gonna have a plus one, and I was like, 386 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: this is about to get epic. So it just gets 387 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: so good to me. So when what was the You 388 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: hadn't seen Chris at all until the reunion? Is that correct? 389 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 6: I saw him at the mixer and then there was 390 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 6: a time where a big group of us went out 391 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 6: and he randomly showed up. 392 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: Okay, so you guys, like, when you're not filming, are 393 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: you all. 394 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: Hanging like as it was still going on? 395 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, when you guys get done filming, do you 396 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 2: never do not see each other until the reunion, or 397 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: do you guys keep in touch or you're. 398 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 6: Like, we're friends with a lot of the cast, So 399 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 6: like Harmel is friends with a lot of the guys, 400 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 6: I'm friends with a lot of the girls. And there 401 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 6: was one night where we happened to kind of like 402 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 6: all hang out, and that was at some point I 403 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 6: guess somebody texted him and told him where we were, 404 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 6: because he showed up, much to everyone's surprise. 405 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: How was that interaction at the time. 406 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 6: It was very cordial, It was very I think I 407 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 6: wasn't aware of it at the time, but I think 408 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 6: Harmel was kind of standing in the corner, ready to 409 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 6: intervene at any moment. But I again, you know, I 410 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 6: never knew what he said at the mixer. I had 411 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 6: no idea, and this was well before airing, So essentially 412 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 6: my thought process was, he said some really stupid shit, 413 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 6: I'm not going to let it affect me. I can 414 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 6: easily be the bigger person and just say, hey, how 415 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 6: are y'all? Like, what's up? 416 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have given him that grace. 417 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 6: I don't think if I had seen all the stuff 418 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 6: that he said at the mixer prior to that, and 419 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 6: so I think that maybe at the reunion he was 420 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 6: expecting me to be the same kind of at least cordial, 421 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 6: and that was just not the case. 422 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you seem very much like Jana and I were 423 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: talking about it, and I'm like, I just we're both 424 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: from Michigan, so I think there's that piece to very midwess. 425 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: Oh where are you from? 426 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 4: So my parents live in the burbs now, but originally 427 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 4: from Detroit Like right. 428 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: There, Okay, yeah, I'm at ann Arbor girl. 429 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I went to U of M. 430 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I went to Eastern so is prestigious and my 431 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: degree is not quite as lengthy asied. My cousin played 432 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: baseball for you of M. 433 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: Oh, that's awesome, that's Carl Kaufman. 434 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like we that's so this whole cast, 435 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: I think is maybe why it's one of my favorites. 436 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: It just feels very relatable. There's also this kind of 437 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: like slew of immaturity that I was like, Okay, this 438 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: feels wildly validating that it might be almost a regional 439 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: thing that we're dealing because I were older than you, 440 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: but we're dealing we had dealt with the same type 441 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: of relationships and I was like, this is interesting. So 442 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: when there's like a Chris in the orbit and then 443 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: we watch the way you act, I'm like, just you're 444 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: like such a girls girl like you're just so you're 445 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: like somebody we would hang out with and be friends with. 446 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: That's why when we got to pick who we'd want 447 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: to talk to, you were at like the top for us. 448 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: We did have Chris up there because I think we 449 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: want to say our piece. But so tell us, then, 450 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: how does it happen? You are done with there, you're 451 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: done with the pods, and you go back to real life. 452 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: I have the guess a twofold question, how does real 453 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: life happen again after something like this? Because you've had 454 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: this experience that no one else can articulate or even 455 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: have experience except for like the two of you and 456 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: the rest of your castmates, and then you have to 457 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: go back into the real world, which has got to 458 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 2: be tricky because you've just come from something that's like 459 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: almost like a therapy intensive, right, Like it's so concentrated 460 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: for so long, and you're so shut out, and then 461 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: how do you find each other? 462 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 6: Well, well, just from a practical logistics standpoint, the conversation 463 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 6: on the couch and the mixer were both films during 464 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 6: I was already back to work and that was a 465 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 6: twelve day stretch for me. So it was definitely hit 466 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 6: the ground running when we got back as far as life, 467 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 6: as far as us, we had a really really deep 468 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 6: connection in the Pods, like I was positive that Harbor 469 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 6: was my person. You didn't get to see any of that, but. 470 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: Wait, you were in the pods. He was in the pods. 471 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't see him in the pods. Yeah, 472 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: because I remember I remember just noting that there was 473 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: an eer doctor, and Preston and I both were like, oh, 474 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: is this great? Because if there's an eher doctor. And 475 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: I was just got back from filming a movie, and 476 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: so a lot of my husbands, a lot of my 477 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: my husband he fast forwards a lot. So mine my 478 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: favorite part is my favorite part is the Pods, but 479 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: it's my husband's least favorite part, and so he fast 480 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: forwards through a lot of the pods. I'm always like, wait, wait, 481 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: so I in our context fast forwarded that part. I 482 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: think it just helps though, right, because like so my 483 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: husband is an artist in music, and I worked on 484 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: the record label side, and we often talk about how 485 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: the compatibility or the grace that I give him is 486 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: probably because I know too much, right, Like I wish 487 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know so much, because I'm like, you should 488 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: go do that, or yeah, you should be gone again, 489 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: because this is a really great opportunity. And so when 490 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: we saw sales Chris come in, Preston's like, no, what 491 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: is she doing? I was like to stay with her 492 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: just as a smart girl. But it made more sense 493 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: to us even just to have, you know, like objectively 494 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: right in our little seats and our sweet little homes 495 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: in Nashville, for us to watch and go, well, you 496 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: guys would know more and be able to be more 497 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: empathetic and more knowledgeable about each other's worlds. So does 498 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: it feel like when you so, okay, so you had 499 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: the connection in the pods? How did why did you 500 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: continue with them? 501 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 502 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm so confused? Well what did you What did you 503 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: drop the ball on this? 504 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? Curious talk about that? 505 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: How did you triage the situation? 506 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 4: If you will, No, that's great, you know that you 507 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: know this stuff. 508 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 5: So I I think like walking in, I actually had 509 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 5: like a slightly different mindset going into the into the pods. 510 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 5: I remember, like I actually never wanted to be on 511 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 5: that show, Like I originally it wasn't not my intention 512 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 5: to be on that show, and they reached out and 513 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 5: they were very persistent with it, and so eventually I 514 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 5: said yes. I I just I remember walking into it. 515 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: Like Indian people, Brown people don't get much representation in 516 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 5: reality TV. I don't really watch it very often, but 517 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: just like on like Hollywood stuff, which don't get representation 518 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 5: like that. And so me walking in, I knew whatever 519 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 5: I said or did or however I was, and the 520 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 5: person that I was on that show had a lot 521 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 5: more to do with just me, Like it was like 522 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 5: my family, my culture, my heritage, my people, and so 523 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 5: to reflect well on all those things. I wanted to 524 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 5: make sure I was bringing like the best version of 525 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 5: myself to it. And I just take things like this 526 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 5: very very seriously, like the idea of like trying to 527 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 5: make someone, like making a girl feel a certain way 528 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 5: and not being able to follow through and the damage 529 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 5: that happens. Like I know we call it like Love's 530 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 5: blind is an experiment. It's not an experiment to me, 531 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 5: Like how many people are you willing to hurt in 532 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 5: your pursuit of this thing, and so I was just 533 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: very aware of that. It's like I want to bring 534 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 5: the best version of myself in. Like I had rules 535 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 5: where I was like, I'm not going to hurt anybody, 536 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 5: you know, like I can get hurt. 537 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 4: I'm okay with that, but like to hurt people along 538 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: the way. 539 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: And so I loved it, Like I had such a 540 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 5: good time connecting with people, the guys, even the girls, 541 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 5: and I had nobody on my list. I mean, obviously 542 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 5: I was dating a bunch of other people, but they're 543 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 5: all just kind of like friendships and good connections other 544 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 5: than Jess. Like the pod dates that we had together 545 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 5: were it's it's like hard to describe the spaces that 546 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 5: we were able to get to in such a short 547 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 5: period of time. And she was the only reason I 548 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 5: was even there. And then towards the end of the 549 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 5: the pod part of things, I just started realizing how 550 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 5: real this was. And the idea of getting on a 551 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 5: knee for me, it's like I'm not doing that twice, 552 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 5: you know, Like if I'm getting on a knee, it's 553 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 5: like that even that is something sacred to me to 554 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 5: like make that type of a promise and so when 555 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 5: it came down to it, I realized, like, I'm not 556 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 5: just trying to marry you and the feelings that we have. 557 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 5: Is like, I have to marry your life and your 558 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 5: family and your career and all the amazing things you 559 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 5: have in your you know, in your life, because it's 560 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 5: just such a full life. And so I realized I 561 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 5: was like for me to get on a knee and 562 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 5: make this deep of promise based on just feelings alone, 563 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 5: people get caught up in feelings a lot, and so 564 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 5: I was like, I don't think I'm in a space 565 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 5: that I can do that. And then on the back 566 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 5: end of it, like like be absolutely serious of being me. 567 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: Being on a knee actually means what it means to me. 568 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 5: And so I ended up leaving early for that reason. 569 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 5: I was like, I realized that my priorities and the 570 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 5: things that I wanted to do, it's the wasn't in 571 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: line with what was happening, even though I had this 572 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: amazing connection with with Jess, And so I ended up 573 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 5: leaving early, even though she was the reason I was there. 574 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 5: And so we've talked about regretting things and wishing you'd 575 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 5: go back and do stuff, but differently but that's kind 576 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 5: of what happened with me, and so that's something you guys. 577 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: Why did they show the arc? Yeah, because I'm like, 578 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: I really don't how many episodes were you actually in? 579 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 4: No, I was like, I'm not like none of them. 580 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 4: I think I had like eight set. 581 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 5: It was actually pretty clean for me, Like I think 582 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 5: I had eight seconds at the very beginning. 583 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's probably why then I have I didn't see. 584 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you didn't see it, Kase. 585 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: They didn't show us dating at all. 586 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 587 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I only remember them just giving like what you 588 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: did for a living, and I was like, okay, well 589 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: that's art. That'll that'll match, you know, like as we're 590 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: trying to like speed date you on our couch, going okay, yeah, 591 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: that's really sad that they didn't show me that because 592 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: I think that's a very I mean, it's a of course, 593 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: it's not dramatic, but it's it's respectful, you know. So 594 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: that makes me bumb that they didn't show that. 595 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: We really want to see it. 596 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can you guys have access to that because 597 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: that would be a sweet love story. 598 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: I know. 599 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been saying it, like if you want to 600 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 5: push this if you want to get the people, get 601 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 5: them into a ladder. Get the people into a ladder. 602 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 5: I feel like people respond when America wants something. 603 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: So so the one was the first time you guys 604 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: actually met in person. 605 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: Well, the first. 606 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 6: Time that we really like saw each other in person 607 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 6: was when we all hung out as a group, but 608 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 6: we had been messaging quite a bit before that. When 609 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 6: he left, I basically I could tell something was off, 610 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 6: like we had been on multiple dates and I was 611 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 6: very much focused on him. He was my number one 612 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 6: the whole time. I was like, this is something unlike 613 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 6: anything I've ever felt. And the day that I came 614 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: in and I could tell something was off, I knew 615 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 6: that he wasn't like doing great. I didn't know if 616 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 6: it was about me, if it was about the process 617 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 6: or what, but I knew we had this deep, undeniable connection, 618 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 6: and I thought, well, maybe for him, that's not romantic, 619 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 6: you know, And so I very quickly tried to kind 620 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 6: of give him an out and said, you know, I 621 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 6: know we have this deep connection, but we can absolutely 622 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 6: just be friends if that's what you want. And I 623 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 6: could kind of tell this like sigh of relief, which 624 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 6: now I know was him being like, Okay, I don't 625 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 6: have to like continue on with this process. 626 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: Nobody has to get hurt. 627 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 6: And I kind of that that meant that he just 628 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 6: was not interested romantically and that I had kind of 629 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 6: like read the room wrong and to just move forward, 630 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 6: let it go, and we're going to be friends. And 631 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 6: so when I got back and he messaged me pretty 632 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 6: shortly after we got back, I was like, this is 633 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 6: my buddy, Like of course, like we're friends. They're texting 634 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 6: and whatever, and I never he was dropping hints that 635 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 6: I was not picking up because I thought we were 636 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 6: just friends. 637 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: No, this is why we love you, Jess, why you're 638 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: our girl. This is what we need you too. I'm 639 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: so lppy you have each other. 640 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: He's amazing. 641 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so how did you finally look at her and say, 642 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: dear doctor, I am trying to tell you something really 643 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: straightforward here, and you're not picking up on this, you sweet, beautiful, 644 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: brilliant thing. 645 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 4: I know, I know, I tried so hard. I was 646 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 4: so Yeah. 647 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 5: We talked for like a while and then eventually she's 648 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 5: also again really busy, likes you. She's a doctor, she 649 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 5: has like amazing family and friends, and she's into just 650 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 5: so many just really good things, and so like her 651 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 5: schedule is just busy all the time, and so I 652 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 5: was just trying to squeeze in anywhere I could. I 653 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: was like, hey, can we just like hang out? Can 654 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 5: we hang out? And just kept getting delayed and geting 655 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 5: getting delayed, and like I just got to this point 656 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 5: where I think it's it's important for like like guys 657 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 5: to be persistent and the thing that they want to get, 658 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 5: you know, make happen. 659 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 4: But at the same. 660 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was like, because I also just don't 661 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 5: I don't date. I don't date, I don't like. I 662 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 5: just I'm doing me Like I just like hang out 663 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 5: with me and my dog, and I like trees and 664 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 5: dirt and sitting outside and looking at clouds and. 665 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: Such a Michigan Again, every time we're stressed out, I'm like, 666 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: we just got to get outside, Cramer, we just got 667 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: to get out. 668 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, literally, just touch grass. That's all I'm doing for years, 669 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 4: is all i'd really do. And so this is like. 670 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: You're also doing that with a degree past us. 671 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: And so yeah, So when I was like, you know, 672 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 5: pursuing Jess, there was like this point in time where 673 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, like take a hint. It's like, 674 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 5: you know, at some point be respectful and be like okay, 675 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 5: like let her live her thing. And so that had 676 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 5: like one last effort. I was like, hey, can we 677 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 5: just meet up on this day and whatever? And it 678 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 5: worked out and so we went to like a wine 679 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 5: bar and we're both in like, so I was like, 680 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 5: don't dress up, let's just be in sweats like hang out. 681 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 4: And so we hung out the wine. 682 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 5: Bar and we spent like a couple hours like just 683 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 5: talking about like work stuff the whole time, and I'm like, 684 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to like talk about work stuff. And 685 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 5: then at some point it just became very clear. I 686 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: was like, hey, I just need to say it. And 687 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 5: I was like, hey, Jess, like I really really like you, 688 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 5: like I'm not here to be friends, like as not 689 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 5: what I'm trying to do. And so I let me 690 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 5: take that abundantly clear and so and then what was 691 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 5: your reaction with I panicked. 692 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 6: I was like, oh my gosh, thank you, no, thank you. 693 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: I totally freaked out. 694 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 6: I well, and also, I mean I had spent all 695 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 6: this time kind of like I just was like, kill 696 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 6: those feelings. Clearly, you misread it. Like he's not interested 697 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 6: in you, this is not romantic. Done, move ahead, like 698 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 6: keep doing the thing. And then all the time that 699 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 6: we had talked and everything, obviously I adored him and 700 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 6: he was so kind and he was so easy to 701 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 6: talk to, and I was like, man, he's just such 702 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 6: a good friend to everyone, Like what a great guy. 703 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 6: And then when he was like no, like that's not 704 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 6: what I'm doing, I absolutely panicked. I was like, there's 705 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 6: no I can't. 706 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: So how long have you guys been together for? 707 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 6: This was like a few months ago, three four months ago, 708 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 6: four months ago, something like that. 709 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: So I know it's a little soon to talk about this, 710 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: but I do remember back watching that Chris didn't want 711 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: kids and you were like, okay, yeah, I'm okay with that. 712 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: Is there has there been a kid combo? Talk? Is 713 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: kids in the future maybe with you. 714 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 6: Guys, That's definitely something we've talked about. I still I 715 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 6: still don't really think that I want kids, but I 716 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 6: always say never, say never. 717 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: Right, Listen, we we were forty when we had a 718 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: you know. 719 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna say I turned four this year, So 720 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: it's not like, you know. 721 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: And you were forty. You were forty forty one, so hey, 722 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: first month trying, literally the first month trying, Oh gosh, 723 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 2: how is this happening? Like, yeah, when it's meant to be. Yeah, 724 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: when it is meant to be. 725 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: But that's kind of how I feel. 726 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 6: I don't necessarily plan on it or expect it, but 727 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 6: if it happened, I would obviously wanted to be with him. 728 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 2: Do you think there's a little Chris PTSD in the 729 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: way that you took Carmels like pursuing you, and you know, 730 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: because you did finally give Chris a chance, which we've 731 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: all given a Chris a chance, whether they all have 732 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: different names in our characters and our stories. But do 733 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: you think that that's part of the reason. Then when 734 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: he comes in and says, wait, I actually really like you, 735 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: that you were like no, no, no, no, because you 736 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: had already like kind of given yourself vulnerably in that 737 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 2: space and then it turned out to be like wait 738 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: a second, who is this person? And it was so hurtful. Also, 739 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: just let's say very very clear, love is blind, but 740 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 2: you are stunning, like you're beautiful, your body is cute, 741 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: like you're incredible. So that's why I think all of 742 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: this felt even extra blown out of proportion because we 743 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: were going like, nobody in America deserves the comments that 744 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: were made to you. No woman, period the end, and 745 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 2: also comma, I will comma a period, and then I commaed, 746 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 2: but this is why you're a doctor and I only 747 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: have a marketing degree. But it is it's wild to 748 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 2: me that like someone like you is getting those words. 749 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, as much as I hated that 750 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 2: you were the sacrificial lamb, I think America needed to 751 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 2: see what happens between guys and girls. Boys and women, 752 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: I'll say, because I think you have very successfully successfully 753 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: found a man sitting next to you, But when women 754 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: try to date boys, I don't think. I think a 755 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: lot of times it's blown out of proportion, like the 756 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: way we portray our feelings as women when in actuality, 757 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: there's a lot of Chrisies in the world saying a 758 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 2: lot of really immature, dumb things to women that are 759 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 2: more than qualified and more than beautiful and more than 760 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: like That's what was wild to me, So going through 761 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 2: that and then I'm sorry for my rampant but I 762 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 2: just like, you're our girl, and I was like, no 763 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: one talks to jest this way. So like, when you 764 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: go through all of that, then you vulnerably lead yourself 765 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: in this space and then Chris says the things that 766 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 2: he says, and then you're sitting there with this other 767 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 2: connection that you had and this really wild experience. Do 768 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: you think that plays a big part in you going 769 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 2: absolutely not, I've already drawn my doctor line in the sand, 770 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 2: and we're not doing this. 771 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: I think that actually was a really small part of it. 772 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 6: I think that there was a small part of me 773 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 6: that was just like, oh my god, like I can't 774 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 6: take a risk again. I think the much bigger portion 775 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 6: for me was I knew how strongly I felt about him, 776 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 6: you know, a year ago, and so I knew and 777 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 6: I said this to him when we were hanging out 778 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 6: that day, and he kind of laid it all out there. 779 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 6: I said, I'm not gonna just like go on a 780 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 6: few dates with you and see what happens. Like I know, 781 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 6: if we're going to do this, we're going. 782 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: To do this. This is not. 783 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 6: If I allow myself to like have those feelings back 784 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 6: and like feel how I actually feel about. 785 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: You, this is going to be life altering. 786 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 6: And so that was the part that I think was 787 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 6: so scary for me that that I knew it wasn't. 788 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 6: I was willing to take the risk, but it was 789 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 6: a huge risk because I knew how in it I 790 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 6: was because of who he is. 791 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 2: That's very sweet. Well, I'm glad you guys found each 792 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 2: other in the end. I wish they would have showed 793 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 2: more of that in the pods. Can we sign a 794 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: petition or something? Seriously, please please start a petition. Well, guys, 795 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate you and 796 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: we're we're happy to that you guys both found love 797 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 2: and good luck with the with what's to come. 798 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much having news India a 799 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 5: M hm