Speaker 1: I Am all In.
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Speaker 3: I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, Welcome to round two of I
Speaker 1: Am all In. This is the I Am all In
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Speaker 1: Season one. The Beloved Pilot with special guest, the One
Speaker 1: the Only, Seawan Gun. Yes, he is here with us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna shake things up a little bit with Sean.
Speaker 1: We're gonna include spoilers. Sean welcome. I think you have
Speaker 1: the better You win the background photo contest on this one.
Speaker 1: I like your background photo.
Speaker 3: Oh that's for Cayl Welch from one Million Years PC.
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong with that. This is uh, this
Speaker 1: is Charro from the Early Years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. It's is one
Speaker 1: of our panty So Sean's going to join us.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Danielle Romo from My Intrepid Crew is joining us in here.
Speaker 1: Hello Danielle, and.
Speaker 4: This is we're doing it again. We're doing it again.
Speaker 3: You're super fans.
Speaker 4: And Shanna have a question for you. Have you ever
Speaker 4: seen the pilot before? Because you're not in it. Okay,
Speaker 4: you have Okay, you know, oddly.
Speaker 3: It's like it's probably the episode that I've seen the
Speaker 3: most number of times because over the years, like there
Speaker 3: have been you know, all right, let's just get into it, right, Like,
Speaker 3: let's just get into it. So over the years, over
Speaker 3: the last twenty years or so, whenever I would date
Speaker 3: somebody who had never seen the show, well, first of all,
Speaker 3: that was a prerequisite. I wouldn't I wouldn't date fans
Speaker 3: of the show. So I'd have to only date people
Speaker 3: who had never seen it. And and they would occasionally
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I want to watch it. And so
Speaker 3: I've watched the pilot a few times over the last
Speaker 3: twenty five years, and then it and then it's like
Speaker 3: it didn't go much further than that, like.
Speaker 4: The one you were in the show.
Speaker 1: It's like, I like, you know, in other words, you
Speaker 1: didn't make it to episode two, right, right, dating parlance? Okay, Right,
Speaker 1: And I got to.
Speaker 3: Shout out my wife, who's an amazing human and and
Speaker 3: just the greatest, but we didn't make it to episode
Speaker 3: two either, really, but yeah, yeah, she's she's watched a
Speaker 3: handful of the over the years, but like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe you can get this scut if there's
Speaker 3: something weird about you know, you don't you don't want
Speaker 3: to totally share your TV persona with with with your
Speaker 3: actual human persona. You don't want those that ven diagram
Speaker 3: to overlap too.
Speaker 4: Much overlaps because his wife was in the series, like
Speaker 4: actually on camera.
Speaker 1: But you know, I know what you mean. It's uh,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure. A can lead to a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of disappointment B.
Speaker 3: For fans, well for my character particularly, it's like, right, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, this is a grown man who lives in
Speaker 3: his mother's basement. Like, let's fire it up. Anyway, I digress.
Speaker 3: It was great to watch the pilot again and had
Speaker 3: been a few years. But it's also I think the
Speaker 3: episode that I last actually watched start to finish was
Speaker 3: also the pilot a few years ago.
Speaker 1: It is a terrifically watchable episode and what what what
Speaker 1: a fantastic opening sequence, just just beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually I'm curious about it because you would
Speaker 3: know more about this than I would, because I was
Speaker 3: under the impression that the entire pilot was was filmed
Speaker 3: in Toronto. It was, but there are some scenes in
Speaker 3: there that look like they're pickups on the Warner Brothers lot.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe they did do that. Which ones? Which one?
Speaker 3: Well, you know there's one shot like there's one shot
Speaker 3: where worries like outside it chilt. Oh, yes, you get
Speaker 3: a larger sense of the Miss Patty and it looks
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, that's saying that has
Speaker 3: to be the Warner Brothers a lot. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: was wondering if they when they picked the show up,
Speaker 3: if they did a couple of of exterior you know, shops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I I think you're right, because
Speaker 1: it looked exactly. Miss Patty's looked exactly, and the backside
Speaker 1: of Stars in Front the other one too, right, and
Speaker 1: the front the front of Stars Hollow High School looked
Speaker 1: exactly like the back loot. And and also when when
Speaker 1: Rory and keko Or and Lane are walking up to
Speaker 1: the high school and they're having their conversation about the
Speaker 1: hay ride and the Korean doctor. Yes, that looked like
Speaker 1: the Warner Brothers. Yes, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4: You know it didn't different.
Speaker 3: You know what else didn't was Luke himself. I just
Speaker 3: love That's my favorite thing. It's like it's like, like
Speaker 3: one of the big things different about about then, about
Speaker 3: twenty five years ago than it is now is you know, nowadays,
Speaker 3: at every show you have the whole season written before
Speaker 3: you even go into production, so there's no tinkering with
Speaker 3: these characters, which is fine. I mean, that's a fine
Speaker 3: way to do things. But it's interesting going back and
Speaker 3: watching the show and like Scott watching Luke and seeing like, oh,
Speaker 3: they didn't like you and the creators the show itself,
Speaker 3: you hadn't quite pinpointed who this character was, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: he wasn't quite there. You were playing like you were.
Speaker 3: He was a super interesting character, super compelling. You wanted
Speaker 3: to see more of him, but he wasn't exist. He
Speaker 3: was like off center or something. Then and then over
Speaker 3: the court and that was exactly what happened with my
Speaker 3: character in the next episode, but like it's not exactly
Speaker 3: what he isn't where he landed, you know, and then
Speaker 3: Oka or playing it it starts to take its shape
Speaker 3: and do its thing and come into view. You never
Speaker 3: see that on television anymore. It doesn't just doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 1: So you your deal not to get too personal, but
Speaker 1: your deal I mean, you weren't. Were you a series
Speaker 1: regular right away?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wasn't. I wasn't. I had to they booked me for
Speaker 1: the pilot. That's it. Yeah, that was an audition. That
Speaker 1: was just an audition. I flew up to Toronto to
Speaker 1: do an audition to see if I was going to
Speaker 1: be on the show and actually film the pilot, because
Speaker 1: they could have redone those scenes with somebody else very easily,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, well, obviously you nailed it because I think
Speaker 3: that you know, I don't know if they did the
Speaker 3: kind of uh uh you know, viewer testing, right, you know,
Speaker 3: who knows if they showed this in front of a
Speaker 3: test audience, but I'm sure if they did, they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: we love that guy who's yeah, and so we said, okay, yes,
Speaker 3: let's keep him.
Speaker 4: Let's I don't quite understand that, Scott, though, because literally
Speaker 4: the show after you know, it starts on loare Li,
Speaker 4: but then it's Luke and lare Lie and the episode
Speaker 4: ends Luke and Lareli.
Speaker 1: It's okay, so the way right exactly. So that's the
Speaker 1: way it was described to me by my managers, that
Speaker 1: this is a chemistry test. The pilot is a chemistry
Speaker 1: test with you and Lauren, and if it works, we'll
Speaker 1: see it on screen. If it doesn't, they'll probably you know,
Speaker 1: reshoot it with another actor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, honestly, it's to me, it's the most
Speaker 3: fascinating thing about the pilot as a whole, which I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know how how wonky uh you know,
Speaker 3: you're you're your listeners are, but like it's it's it's
Speaker 3: like a it's a study in show business a little
Speaker 3: bit from two thousand, from the year it was made,
Speaker 3: where they're they're trying to use this alchemy to get
Speaker 3: all of the little pieces right and get the right
Speaker 3: chemistry between the two leads and the right chemistry between
Speaker 3: the you know, the the well between both Lauren and
Speaker 3: Alexis and then Lauren and you, and and then Lauren
Speaker 3: and Kelly. And they're trying to get everything right, and
Speaker 3: then they they shape a show out of it rather
Speaker 3: than doing all of that beforehand.
Speaker 1: And and you know what I mean, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and and to to answer your question from before,
Speaker 3: I was I was not. I mean I was a
Speaker 3: it was a co star role, not even a guest
Speaker 3: star role.
Speaker 2: So it was.
Speaker 3: Which again to get like technical for for people who
Speaker 3: aren't actors, it's like, but the you know, guest star
Speaker 3: is higher on the totem pole than co star is.
Speaker 3: My agent at the time recommended that I pass on
Speaker 3: the audition films because yeah, it was a one day
Speaker 3: it was a one day co star role. And they
Speaker 3: were like, hey, you've been out there for you know,
Speaker 3: I'd been in I had been auditioning and doing some
Speaker 3: work for a year or two and and was like
Speaker 3: booking pretty well and was like recurring on on a
Speaker 3: different show on the WB that didn't last long, but
Speaker 3: like you know, I was doing I was doing fine
Speaker 3: for a struggling actor, and it was a it was
Speaker 3: a one day co star role. And they were like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're just pushing you for guest star only, which is
Speaker 3: like a little more money. It means you get I
Speaker 3: means you get hired for the week instead of for
Speaker 3: the day, or that your daily rate is a little
Speaker 3: bit better. And they're like, and we're not taking these
Speaker 3: types of roles. But my my manager at the time, Gordon,
Speaker 3: was friends with mar Casey from Chicago. Mara was one
Speaker 3: of the Marin and Jamie Rudowsky were the two great
Speaker 3: casting directors for our show, and they I think their
Speaker 3: work speaks for itself with all of the all of
Speaker 3: the great actors that ended up being on the show
Speaker 3: over the and uh in Gordon Knumara from Chicago, and
Speaker 3: so he so he said, yeah, your agents don't want
Speaker 3: you to do this, but I think you should do
Speaker 3: it because it's mar Is, my old friend and it's cool.
Speaker 3: And I was I was like I was with everything
Speaker 3: and I just wanted to work all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because what I'm still like, I'm like that now I
Speaker 3: want to just work all the time. And uh and
Speaker 3: so I said, well, let me just read the sides,
Speaker 3: you know, send me the scene. And I read the
Speaker 3: scene and I was like, this is funny. I can
Speaker 3: do it, and I can do it well, So of
Speaker 3: course I'll go in an auditions for it, not caring
Speaker 3: about the size of the role. And then and then
Speaker 3: the story goes on from there. But that's how I
Speaker 3: ended up on the show.
Speaker 1: Fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 4: So literally we're talking where I am talking and our
Speaker 4: listeners are listening to two people that were supposed to
Speaker 4: be on for one or two episodes and became the
Speaker 4: whole series, Like, that's crazy to think about. You are
Speaker 4: a huge part, a havotal part of this series. And
Speaker 4: to just hear as a fan now now as a fan,
Speaker 4: how that almost you know in the beginning wasn't pinned
Speaker 4: out to be that way. It's crazy. I love it though,
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I just you know, they had so many you know,
Speaker 1: Amy and Dan had had blueprinted so many great characters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they knew they they must have known, and that
Speaker 1: had something special. I mean they wrote, they wrote that script,
Speaker 1: they read that script, they had their friends read that script.
Speaker 1: The feedback must have been, you know, glowing from all corners,
Speaker 1: and so they knew what they had and I think
Speaker 1: they probably felt they could afford to be a little
Speaker 1: more cautious with certain roles, right, and not have to
Speaker 1: commit to certain people right away. I mean, they knew
Speaker 1: they had their core with you know, Lauren, Alexis, Kelly,
Speaker 1: and Ed right, so that's they have their Gilmours, but
Speaker 1: everybody else, I mean, you know Alex Borstein was originally Suki, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she couldn't get out of her and she
Speaker 1: would have been a great Suki because she's a she's
Speaker 1: a terrific actress. And then when Suki came in, and
Speaker 1: when when Melissa came in, it was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: such a different energy and different vision for the character,
Speaker 1: but it worked so beautifully.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I don't I don't know what. You may
Speaker 3: know the story behind it better than I do, but
Speaker 3: I know that, like Alex was gonna play Sukie, she
Speaker 3: couldn't because she couldn't get out of it. The family
Speaker 3: got contract probably.
Speaker 1: The Fox series. What was that thing mad TV? Oh
Speaker 1: it was still mad TV back they wouldn't let her out.
Speaker 3: And and even that I heard like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 3: we may see more of her as the herd player.
Speaker 3: And obviously like Alex is God, she's good, right and.
Speaker 1: Like so tell it, tell it to the tip Jar,
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and just kind of.
Speaker 3: Kept doing her thing, and yeah, that was that was interesting.
Speaker 3: My second episode, I had a little interaction with Alex
Speaker 3: when I was delivering Swans. But it's a yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting. I was.
Speaker 1: I was actually a little worried when she was replaced.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, God, here we go. They find the
Speaker 1: perfect actress to play Suki. This is just amazing. You've
Speaker 1: got this, this really terrific actress. It's really funny.
Speaker 3: Whatever happened to Melissa McCarthy, by the way, did she go?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't hear of her. She's done any work after
Speaker 3: she was able to find work.
Speaker 1: It's one of those stories, you know, It's one of
Speaker 1: those unrealized potential. It's just so sad.
Speaker 3: I saw her, like like the first year or something
Speaker 3: like that. I went and saw her perform in a
Speaker 3: very small groumblings show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all there.
Speaker 2: We went together, like and like, God, she was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Were you with us that night? No, I went, you went, okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Went, Like by myself, I was.
Speaker 1: I was kind of you know, I was.
Speaker 3: It was another thing that came up watching the show
Speaker 3: is that, like I was so young in my career
Speaker 3: and I was always afraid of rocking the boat. You know.
Speaker 3: I thought that if I I thought that if I
Speaker 3: was more vocal, I might lose my job. So I
Speaker 3: just didn't say anything. I didn't ask questions. I tried
Speaker 3: to show up and do the thing like I.
Speaker 2: Didn't know, you know.
Speaker 3: Like my first three episodes, I played the DSL installer,
Speaker 3: the Swan delivery guy, right and then I think I
Speaker 3: show up in the third episode is as Kirk right,
Speaker 3: you can't remember if the Civil War of the Revolutionary
Speaker 3: War reenactment was before that, before or after my I
Speaker 3: don't know if that was third or fourth. But like,
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was actually playing the same character.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was like being a different
Speaker 3: guy because they all had different names, and I didn't
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen the show yet. It hadn't aired, so
Speaker 3: I didn't know exactly what was going on, and I
Speaker 3: just didn't ask. I was like, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: do my mines and try to make.
Speaker 4: They'll figure out how it all makes sound.
Speaker 3: They'll tell me if they want me to do something different.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was afraid to ask what was
Speaker 3: going on, which is funny.
Speaker 1: That's smart. I mean, that's a smart way to go
Speaker 1: about it. You know, you know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: be that nail that sticks up right away, no hammer
Speaker 1: you All right, Well, let's get into it, Danielle. Why
Speaker 1: don't you give us a little synopsis on episode one
Speaker 1: season one?
Speaker 4: All right? So, season one, episode one, the pilot air
Speaker 4: day October fifth, two thousand. The storybook Connecticut Town of
Speaker 4: Stars Hollow is home to thirty two year old Lorelai
Speaker 4: Gilmore and her sixteen year old daughter Rory. Rory and
Speaker 4: her best friend Lane are straight A students at the
Speaker 4: local public high school, but when Rory is accepted into
Speaker 4: the prestigious Chiltern Prep in nearby Hartford, the Steve Tuition
Speaker 4: fee forss Lorelei to try to mend the long standing
Speaker 4: rift with her wealthy parents, Richard and Emily, and ask
Speaker 4: for financial help.
Speaker 1: You know what's so fascinating about this show is you've
Speaker 1: got two legitimate leads. You've got two legitimate shows here
Speaker 1: in Lorelei and Rory. And then as it matures, I
Speaker 1: mean you could you could make separate shows just changing
Speaker 1: the POV a little bit from each of their storylines.
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, Yeah, it's a It is a beautiful pilot.
Speaker 3: It is like really yeah, you know, you look at
Speaker 3: it from a storytelling perspective and it's like, it's like,
Speaker 3: how easily can I describe it to a friend of mine?
Speaker 3: And it's very easy, you know, mother daughter? They look
Speaker 3: like sisters.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was so in this episode. I
Speaker 4: literally was like, are they sisters? Or is Rory? Or
Speaker 4: is alexis Lauren's actual daughter. They are so similar it's crazy.
Speaker 3: And if I'm if I'm correct, they were playing sixteen
Speaker 3: and thirty two, Yeah, and they were like eighteen and
Speaker 3: thirty two. They were like very close to actually.
Speaker 4: Being that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, being what they were, and yeah, you're right, Scott.
Speaker 3: It's like you can look at it from any perspective.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we have we have the mom's story,
Speaker 3: we have the daughter's story. It's very clear. If you
Speaker 3: put the money to go to school, you got to
Speaker 3: come here every Friday. You got to go back to
Speaker 3: this old life that you've run away from. It's all.
Speaker 1: It's very very clean and almost very very dense, very
Speaker 1: very dense. It's almost like those two were one character.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know you were following both of them,
Speaker 1: even though one was because you were always thinking of, Okay,
Speaker 1: how's Laurai going to react when Rory's doing this stuff
Speaker 1: over here? And how's Rory going to react when Laura
Speaker 1: is going to do that? It's like, yeah, there one character.
Speaker 1: Pretty much to.
Speaker 4: Your point, it felt like the first half of the
Speaker 4: pilot was very much Lauraai point of view. She was,
Speaker 4: you know, leading it. She was the main but then
Speaker 4: it almost shifted when Rory decided she was feeling or
Speaker 4: having cold fee about Chiltern, and then it became her
Speaker 4: point of view. And in my opinion, I felt like
Speaker 4: a shift where in the beginning it was all Laurai
Speaker 4: and in the second half it started to feel all Rory.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys got that, but I
Speaker 4: felt a shift there.
Speaker 1: So when we start off, it's shot in Canada most
Speaker 1: of it, as we have been discussing some obviously we're
Speaker 1: shot at the back lot on Warner Brothers. But and
Speaker 1: that was a vote taken by the cast, and and
Speaker 1: the very first shot of the pilot, Main Street is
Speaker 1: in Unionville, Ontario, which is just north of Toronto, which
Speaker 1: is really like, uh, start that that's the model for
Speaker 1: Stars Hollow, is that is that sort of fantasy town
Speaker 1: with cobblestone streets and and antique architecture and wonderful little shops.
Speaker 1: And the hardware store on Main Street was turned into
Speaker 1: Luke's Diner. That was an actual hardware store in Unionville
Speaker 1: that they converted for the filming. And this is how
Speaker 1: the story of turning Luke turning his father's hardware store
Speaker 1: into a into a diner came to be.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The pilot, I will say, has a slightly different cinemount
Speaker 1: of quality compared to the episode shot at Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: a lot. It really did feel like film. It felt,
Speaker 1: you know, Leslie linka gladder shot this almost like it
Speaker 1: felt like a movie almost did How did you feel
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's noticeable. I think when you watch it, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is this is a little bit different. This is
Speaker 3: like one step It's kind of what we were talking about.
Speaker 3: It's like one half a step outside of of what
Speaker 3: the show actually is. It looks cool, but it's also like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's finding its secure footing, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's not it's not quite there yet. I was pretty
Speaker 3: startled by how the you know, by how the diner itself,
Speaker 3: even though it's clearly a different location because the door
Speaker 3: isn't a different spot right the doors right in the
Speaker 3: middle instead of on the corner. But all the other
Speaker 3: details are very very good, like the you know, the interior.
Speaker 3: There were a couple of times when I would see
Speaker 3: a shot from the interior that I was like, that's
Speaker 3: not a pickup from Warner Brothers, is it? And it wasn't,
Speaker 3: but it's like all of the you know, the production
Speaker 3: design was like was pretty impeccable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And talking about the different looks, I think what
Speaker 1: we're dealing with here is East Coast natural lighting versus
Speaker 1: West Coast sunlight, which is always golden or yellowish, right,
Speaker 1: and they have to tamp that down to make it
Speaker 1: look like Connecticut because it's completely different light. That was
Speaker 1: the big I think Leslie used a lot of natural
Speaker 1: lighting or very minimal lighting in shooting the pilot. Obviously
Speaker 1: she'd do some lighting indoors.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and it's also the like like it's there's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a different like I remember well
Speaker 3: that in the first season, I remember Lauren was nominated
Speaker 3: for a Golden Globe in the category of Best Actors
Speaker 3: on a Comedy show. And then between seasons one and
Speaker 3: two they changed our standings are standing from a comedy
Speaker 3: to a drama because they didn't know where to put
Speaker 3: it right right right, And I think that I think
Speaker 3: that that is also reflected you talk about like the
Speaker 3: East Coast ladic versus West Coast lading. There's also a
Speaker 3: little bit of a comedy versus drama eension going on,
Speaker 3: which is like, what exactly is this center of this show?
Speaker 3: Like where is it? Where is it supposed to land?
Speaker 3: Which is great, it's what audiences want now. They don't
Speaker 3: want to see things that are that are you know,
Speaker 3: cookie Cutter are like we're going to tell you this
Speaker 3: is a comedy, or we're going to tell you it's
Speaker 3: like kind of somewhere. It lives somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 3: And that was that was unique, Like there weren't a
Speaker 3: lot of shows that lived in the middle.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, you're right, it probably Gilmour probably influenced
Speaker 1: a lot of shows to you know, walk that tightrope
Speaker 1: between trauma and comedy because this did it so well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I'm always looking
Speaker 1: at this like it's a comedy with very effective because Sean,
Speaker 1: as you know, the best comedy comes from the most
Speaker 1: tension in the most dramatic situations. Yeah, and this provided that.
Speaker 1: So I always saw it as a comedy and I
Speaker 1: think it works best as a light comedy with a
Speaker 1: touch of drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I've said this like many times
Speaker 3: and I'll say it again. Like the reason I ended
Speaker 3: up on the show for as long as I was on.
Speaker 3: It was because when I read the first scene of
Speaker 3: the DSL installer the first time I was on the
Speaker 3: show and I read the scene, I was like, I
Speaker 3: get this. I'm a student of film in film history.
Speaker 3: I know, like old film comedies like prest and Sturge's
Speaker 3: and Howard Hawks, like I've seen his Girl Friday. I've
Speaker 3: seen like rapid fire forties comedy, and that's what this is.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was playing, and I think that
Speaker 3: that's what Amy saw. She was like this guy gets it.
Speaker 1: But right, but did you feel that the pilot because
Speaker 1: what I noticed in the pilot, it was more relaxed.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so speedy time. It unfolded like in a
Speaker 1: little more naturalistic way. Nothing was rushed. Especially I especially
Speaker 1: noticed it with Rory and Lane scene when they're walking
Speaker 1: up when first see them, very relaxed and then you
Speaker 1: sort of fast forward to what it became and it
Speaker 1: was just everything was just yeah, fast paced.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, and I don't you know, it's
Speaker 3: like works.
Speaker 1: Either way, you know, I agree, yeah, works either way.
Speaker 1: All right, so we are uh right, then there you go.
Speaker 4: We did kind of talk about how Luke isn't Luke
Speaker 4: in this episode. Yet, Yeah, so because we see I
Speaker 4: think they were trying to see what stuck, right, So
Speaker 4: they tried the flannel with the backwards hat, then they
Speaker 4: tried the button up shirt. He also was like very
Speaker 4: sweet and carrying and not caring, like very sweet and
Speaker 4: personal and like no disrespect to Luke. But we know
Speaker 4: that wasn't who he really was in the series, So
Speaker 4: I feel like even his personality was a little bit
Speaker 4: different in this as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I just think I just think I went with it's
Speaker 1: what I did in the audition that worked. It got
Speaker 1: me the role, that got me the offer, not the role,
Speaker 1: but got me the pilot. I didn't get the role,
Speaker 1: I got the pilot. I got the role in the pilot.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't get the whole, the whole mcgilla.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like my manager said, listens, like, don't screw
Speaker 1: this up, because this could be really nice because, like
Speaker 1: Sean said, this begins with Luke and it ends with
Speaker 1: Luke Steiner. You know, it starts there, and so there's
Speaker 1: got to be there's a reason for that, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously it's it's the potential sparks between Luke and Lorelei
Speaker 1: and you see.
Speaker 4: That especially with the button up shirt scene, you know
Speaker 4: where you two you can just see it like, Okay,
Speaker 4: where is that going to go with the two of them?
Speaker 3: Did they tell you Scott about like was it? Do
Speaker 3: you remember the description of the character when you audition
Speaker 3: for it? Was he supposed to be a hard ass
Speaker 3: basically like he was like no nonsense, you know, like
Speaker 3: I noticed a couple of things that are like red
Speaker 3: meat will kill you. Yeah, stuff like that. I don't
Speaker 3: know that he I don't know that Luke would have
Speaker 3: said that three seasons later, but it was it was funny,
Speaker 3: Like I liked it. It was like I I longed
Speaker 3: for that like sort of that that level of of acid.
Speaker 1: Well, you get it from Luke, you get it from
Speaker 1: you get it from Michelle, and you get it from Drella.
Speaker 1: There's there's three characters there that embody that kind of
Speaker 1: DNA where it's just like this dead pan kind of
Speaker 1: throwaway and I don't care. Which I think was Amy
Speaker 1: and Dan's interpretation of East Coast.
Speaker 4: You know, Emily, Emily carries out a little bit.
Speaker 1: To right exactly, Yes, yeah, right, there's so that's East Coast,
Speaker 1: Northeastern snark and you know, even if you know Luke
Speaker 1: isn't a quote unquote educated person, it all, you know,
Speaker 1: it trickles down everywhere, especially in that area because that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's the IVY League, that's Ivy League turf
Speaker 1: up there, So it all trickles down. So it's all snarky, fast,
Speaker 1: funny kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's Amy, right, I mean that's yeah, Like, that's
Speaker 3: that's all those characters all a little bit speaking to
Speaker 3: her voice.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, they're all her.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We've often tried to pin down which characters are are
Speaker 1: most like Amy or if Amy, did Amy write herself
Speaker 1: into one of these characters, and we're trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 4: And what do you guys say is the answer to that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought Paris maybe, oh yeah, wow, that's it.
Speaker 3: That's actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: But not Amy. But it's like Amy, it's like three
Speaker 1: quarter Amy, because Amy's very to me.
Speaker 3: It's more like what percentage of Amy is every character?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That's that's the better question.
Speaker 3: Maybe his high as like seventy five percent, right, it's
Speaker 3: like thirty Rory's fifteen percent, right, Emily sixty percent? Like
Speaker 3: there's right, right, you could probably go through, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure your fans will enjoy doing that. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do it myself. But I know I don't think
Speaker 3: I actually don't think Kirk she's They always thought Kirk washilarious,
Speaker 3: but that's not I think k might actually be more
Speaker 3: damn than than he is.
Speaker 1: Amy. That's right interesting, But I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: either interesting. But Amy, you know, Amy is so the
Speaker 1: real Amy in life is she's so up and positive
Speaker 1: and just infused with energy and motherly love for everyone,
Speaker 1: hugs and laughter. That's Amy. She's she's she's a you know,
Speaker 1: she's she's a quite a presence when she comes on set.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, she's She's the greatest. I it's
Speaker 3: always a funny thing to me to go back, like
Speaker 3: I did, to hear him and and and like watch
Speaker 3: early episodes of the show, and you know, watch the
Speaker 3: pilot episode and think that for me, Amy was like
Speaker 3: sort of scary, you know, like she was she was
Speaker 3: my ball, and she was you know, she was the
Speaker 3: person who could write me off the show at any time.
Speaker 3: So even though I I didn't necessarily have any reason
Speaker 3: to fear her, I did, you know, I was always
Speaker 3: all you know, like, yeah, he was the boss, and
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy to me to now look back and
Speaker 3: be like wow, Amy was like she was like in
Speaker 3: her mid thirties show running this uh this this project
Speaker 3: that was really her baby, you know. It was like
Speaker 3: it was like she she like did every part of
Speaker 3: that was was like from her creative mind and was
Speaker 3: was was constantly dealing with outside influences of people who
Speaker 3: thought like, oh, let me, let me tell you how
Speaker 3: to do this a little bit better. She show yes
Speaker 3: and like and like there were there were studio people,
Speaker 3: and there were other There was a lot of pressures
Speaker 3: on people who who want to tell young women that
Speaker 3: they are not as that they are not as smart
Speaker 3: as capable as they think that they are. And there
Speaker 3: were a lot of people like that coming down on
Speaker 3: Amy and she was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you don't. This is my show. I'm doing it the
Speaker 3: way I want to do it. And I have so
Speaker 3: much respect for her that that I've learned over the
Speaker 3: years in the business that like, oh she just wasn't
Speaker 3: she just wasn't taking any notes. Yeah, yeah, she was
Speaker 3: like I don't I'm not interested in in your in
Speaker 3: your notes. I love it. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, very very bold step too, yeah
Speaker 1: to go, you know, toe to toe. But it is
Speaker 1: why the show is so unique. It is, it is
Speaker 1: why it's you know, it's become. I used to think
Speaker 1: it was just because of this seeming growth and resurgence
Speaker 1: of the show. It's it really has sustained all these years,
Speaker 1: but it just seems like generation after generation is discovering it.
Speaker 1: It's number eight on the Nielsen streaming ratings and it
Speaker 1: was been off the air since two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's six hundred and forty million minutes per
Speaker 1: week consumed on average the show. It's it's it's insanity
Speaker 1: how popular this show is. And I used to think
Speaker 1: it was purely a nostalgia play. It's not. It's relevant
Speaker 1: today because of the because it's so smart and it's
Speaker 1: so funny, and how does that ever get old? Nobody
Speaker 1: gets sick of that, So it's so now it's really
Speaker 1: not as a surprise that, you know, children as young
Speaker 1: as six and seven years old are watching the show
Speaker 1: with their arents. Men are discovering it now and Sean,
Speaker 1: you do uh, you do more conventions than I do.
Speaker 1: But when I'm at them and we're at them together,
Speaker 1: what do they do. They they bring these their little
Speaker 1: little babies dressed to the characters and and and it's
Speaker 1: and the men are like, oh, I love the show
Speaker 1: more than my wife. And it's everybody. It's actually tell
Speaker 1: you how.
Speaker 3: Many I can't tell you how many young like young
Speaker 3: women that I'm like, young girls that I've met who
Speaker 3: are named.
Speaker 1: The Laurelai right, yes, or Rory. I just met a
Speaker 1: couple of I'm in Canada shooting another show and I
Speaker 1: just met a couple of people that they named them
Speaker 1: their daughters Rory.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, yes, yeah, And and I do I always
Speaker 3: answer that question when people ask what is how do
Speaker 3: you attribute the longevity of the show? I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: great writing kind of rises to the top. And Amy's
Speaker 3: a great writer, and she knew what she was doing
Speaker 3: and she knew what she had and and that's really it.
Speaker 3: It's like, there's there's a lot of other little pieces
Speaker 3: that worked that helped it. There's a lot of alchemy
Speaker 3: that goes into the good luck of having it be successful.
Speaker 3: But it always you can always whittle it down to
Speaker 3: that core of like yep, Amy's writing.
Speaker 1: How solid is the writing? Yeah, you can have you
Speaker 1: can have the best crew, you can have the best actors.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm watching a lot of things now
Speaker 1: because I have, you know, a day off here, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch up on stuff, and there's always
Speaker 1: a point where it's like I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: You don't watch it anymore. It just takes one kind
Speaker 1: of bone headed decision on the writer's side and it's over.
Speaker 1: It just kills it. And all these sort of limited
Speaker 1: series and that you see now right, there's so much
Speaker 1: content and they inevitably fail at some point early on.
Speaker 1: They start out like a house on fire, but you
Speaker 1: know it's not going to last. This one lasts.
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 1: My take is, yes, I one hundred percent agree with you.
Speaker 1: It's the quality of the writing. It always has been
Speaker 1: for me. Anything that I love, it's always great writing.
Speaker 1: You know, great writing attracts great directors, great producers, great actors.
Speaker 1: It attracts all the top tier talent. Because the thing
Speaker 1: in Hollywood is how good is a script? And this
Speaker 1: is a really hot script. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's any other element that needs to be attached to it.
Speaker 1: Elements will attach themselves to great writing. And it's just
Speaker 1: the humor of the show. For me, after watching going
Speaker 1: through all these one hundred and fifty three shows in
Speaker 1: four episodes, it's the humor. It's I think people, we'll
Speaker 1: keep coming back for a lot of reasons. But it's
Speaker 1: so funny and it's so much humor. It's so dense.
Speaker 1: Every episode has fifty to one hundred laughs, you know,
Speaker 1: big kind of big laughs, and you don't get you
Speaker 1: don't get that kind of volume in quality anywhere else.
Speaker 1: It's overwhelmingly good, you know. It's just it's just overwhelming,
Speaker 1: and people have to watch it because they don't hear
Speaker 1: they're too busy last and they laughing, they miss the
Speaker 1: next two jokes. Oh, so they're gonna see it again anyway.
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the music on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: There she goes opening up. The whole entire pilot.
Speaker 1: Was so good, just iconic. It's thrilling to watch the
Speaker 1: pilot because you get to hear that song and see
Speaker 1: those pictures. It's just such a beautiful opening. It's sung
Speaker 1: by the Laws and help the Laws. Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: she goes It's been covered by sixpence, none the richer,
Speaker 1: and this song became iconic with the fans and with
Speaker 1: me and where the Colors Don't Go by Sam Phillips,
Speaker 1: the Great Sam Phillips, when Lorelei parks in front of
Speaker 1: her parents mashing. This was a deeply emotional episode in
Speaker 1: every beat was so clearly deeply emotional, and the music
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with it. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: That was the thing that was one of the things.
Speaker 3: You know, I talked earlier about being a little bit
Speaker 3: of afraid of any and one of the things that
Speaker 3: that sort of broke that barrier was talking to Dan
Speaker 3: Palladino and understanding that he and I were both like
Speaker 3: deep dive music fans and where Dan comes from musically,
Speaker 3: and you know, I like Daniel Palladino for those who
Speaker 3: don't know, knows just about everything about in music, like
Speaker 3: go ahead and yeah and I and I hear that,
Speaker 3: I hear the laws and I'm like, oh, that's that's
Speaker 3: probably Dan's influence there. Who knows, but but yeah, God
Speaker 3: that that music is so good. I was able to
Speaker 3: meet Sam Phillips at the one of the uh you know,
Speaker 3: a rap party for for something, and she also does
Speaker 3: all of the la la la la, that's all. That's
Speaker 3: all same?
Speaker 4: Really is that true?
Speaker 2: She she's she's amazing.
Speaker 3: She like if you've never heard her, She's got a
Speaker 3: bunch of great albums. But she has an album called
Speaker 3: a Boot and is Shoe that's really just like phenomenal
Speaker 3: that if you know, for anyone who wants to go
Speaker 3: back and listen to her music, like that's that's my
Speaker 3: favorite album of hers. Yeah, the music's great.
Speaker 4: I do want to talk about how we meet each character, though, Scott,
Speaker 4: because I think I'll let you you take it away,
Speaker 4: but I feel like I want to go through each
Speaker 4: character and how we meet them, and it truly does
Speaker 4: set up the rest of the series. There's just little
Speaker 4: nuggets in this pilot that play true through all seven
Speaker 4: seasons and the movies.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, as you know, we first see Laura
Speaker 1: La that's the first person we see. Then we see Luke,
Speaker 1: we meet him, then we meet Rory in that order.
Speaker 1: Here's a little side note. Liza Wheel, who played Paris,
Speaker 1: originally auditioned for Rory. Can you imagine she probably would
Speaker 1: have been pretty good at it too. After Alexis got depart,
Speaker 1: Amy told her if the pilot got picked up, told
Speaker 1: Liza that is, if the pilot got picked up, she'd
Speaker 1: write an arc specifically for her, which is very very
Speaker 1: generous of somebody to do, which meant, yes, she did
Speaker 1: have control of her universe and she was going to
Speaker 1: do anything that she wanted to do. Michelle we meet
Speaker 1: quickly at the end, and we established that he is
Speaker 1: kind of a better dressed French version of Luke. Now
Speaker 1: and Lane and Rory walk up, they establish their best
Speaker 1: friends deans at school, and we learn a lot about
Speaker 1: their friendship and Lane's life in a very short scene.
Speaker 1: You know, all they had to do was talk about
Speaker 1: the hay Ride and my mother, my Korean mother, and
Speaker 1: Korean doctors, and we got to do this hay Ride
Speaker 1: as a pre date and see if it's gonna So
Speaker 1: we know a lot about Lane already.
Speaker 4: We also find out that she loves rock music like
Speaker 4: in this very first scene, so that kind of sets
Speaker 4: up a lot for her character later on too.
Speaker 1: And we see Dean revealed at the school he's been
Speaker 1: watching Rory, not in a creepy way, according to.
Speaker 4: Dean, just in a creepy way seeing you every day
Speaker 4: after school. It's just this book last week, in this
Speaker 4: book this week.
Speaker 3: Oh God, Dean, whenever you hear somebody say out loud, yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't in a creepy way.
Speaker 1: I think it probably was.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can look can can sixteen year olds be creepy? I
Speaker 1: mean I don't think so. I mean they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just discovering all this stuff. It's like they don't
Speaker 1: know what that does, and they scare, you know, they're
Speaker 1: scared of rejection. And by the way, that doesn't changes
Speaker 1: one ages. This is Rory's first love interest, and she
Speaker 1: doesn't even notice him until she drops, Uh what what
Speaker 1: book did she drop? It wasn't Moby Dick, but it
Speaker 1: was was it? The on the Road? Was its? I
Speaker 1: think it was something like that. Anyway, it was right
Speaker 1: right because he said Melville. He said something about Melville.
Speaker 1: Deed it all right? So then we meet Melissa, we
Speaker 1: meet Suki and just boy and I thought this stuff
Speaker 1: for me, that was the most impressive chore choreography in
Speaker 1: the entire show, the most Suki's kitchen uh stuff was
Speaker 1: to me, the best orchestrated, best blocked, just the most
Speaker 1: entertaining stuff. Yeah, what a brilliant introduction to a character.
Speaker 3: Well, if I if I jump in for just a second,
Speaker 3: it's like, go for it, and I want you to
Speaker 3: keep going. But but I like, I can't help when
Speaker 3: I'm watching it. I'm watching the people, right, so I
Speaker 3: can step outside of I'm not a you know, after
Speaker 3: all these years, I'm not a of you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not watching it the same way a fan is. I'm
Speaker 3: watching remembering what Melissa was like in the year two
Speaker 3: thousand and what Alexis was like, and what Jared Padleki
Speaker 3: was like, and as as people what they're actually doing
Speaker 3: performing on the show, and it's just fascinating. It's it's
Speaker 3: very clear to me now you know how much Melissa
Speaker 3: is just like she's so on top of every single
Speaker 3: thing that she's doing. She's just like her her her
Speaker 3: game is really sharp, right, you know you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Yeah, really to be really on top of
Speaker 3: every single note. And then you watch Jared and Alexis
Speaker 3: and their kids, you know, like they were like plucked
Speaker 3: out of whatever universe they lived in, was like here
Speaker 3: go be on this television show.
Speaker 1: High School. Dean came out of High school. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he graduated high school and came to LA and got
Speaker 1: a job.
Speaker 3: Dude, he's the greatest. I see him. I feel like
Speaker 3: I see him like every five years, and he's just
Speaker 3: he's just crushing life. That kid. I know he's not
Speaker 3: a kid anymore, but he'll always be a kid to me.
Speaker 3: But he you know, it's like he yeah, he was
Speaker 3: like sort of plucked out of high school. I think
Speaker 3: he was handing out flyers a Universal city when somebody
Speaker 3: was like, hey, are you an actor? He's like, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to me an actor. Yeah, well let me send
Speaker 3: you on some auditions. It's like here I am on
Speaker 3: a television sh right right right, Like he's just and
Speaker 3: he's so great. I love watching those scenes and being like, wow,
Speaker 3: this guy he really is just plucked out of yeah
Speaker 3: Texas and they threw him on the show.
Speaker 1: Very talented young guy, Yeah, very talented.
Speaker 3: He's a talented middle aged guy.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you're more talented middle age.
Speaker 3: He was forty, he probably is forty one. We're old,
Speaker 3: you and I are.
Speaker 1: No, Well i'm old.
Speaker 4: No, you're not, I know, but i am.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty, I am all.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. We're all age.
Speaker 4: The one important to take it back to Suki. The
Speaker 4: one important thing that I remember in this scene is
Speaker 4: that they established that they're going to open an in
Speaker 4: one that that's their goal, that they're going to open
Speaker 4: up an inn one day, and that Davis planted very
Speaker 4: very early on.
Speaker 1: Just just a beautiful scene and and a beautiful relationship
Speaker 1: between Laurel and Suki, and you just look forward to more,
Speaker 1: very loving, very supportive, very it's gonna it's gonna breed
Speaker 1: a ton of humor. You just know it, all right.
Speaker 1: So now we quickly we're quickly establishing who everyone else is.
Speaker 1: But now we go into missus Kim's Kim's antiques and
Speaker 1: where she utters the famous line to Rory, who tries
Speaker 1: to make a joke about her line about nobody got
Speaker 1: pregnant and dropped out of school. Uh. Missus Kim looks
Speaker 1: at Rory and says, boys don't like funny girls. Made
Speaker 1: me fall off the couch. Just great. So now we
Speaker 1: understand that Lane's got a really strict mom. Ye, So
Speaker 1: more to come with that, all right. So Laura I
Speaker 1: and Rory banter, we see how they are best friends
Speaker 1: instead of it's your not your typical mother, right, it's
Speaker 1: not your typical mother daughter relationship. She's concerned with They're
Speaker 1: concerned with each other's happiness, you know, and that's very touching.
Speaker 1: And she even says stuff to her mother after, you know,
Speaker 1: she finds out she gets into Chiltern and how did
Speaker 1: that happen? Did you sleep with you seem really happy?
Speaker 1: Did you do something slutty? I mean, what daughter talks
Speaker 1: to my mother like that? I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just so great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're definitely established best friends.
Speaker 2: Wait, and you got to say.
Speaker 3: The response is even better.
Speaker 2: She's like, did you do something? She's like, you look happy?
Speaker 2: Did you do something slutty? And rights.
Speaker 1: It's about as racy as it gets, right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know you're safe, but you're it's still pushing
Speaker 1: the envelope a little bit outside. It doesn't break out
Speaker 1: of family friendly ever.
Speaker 3: Really, you know, that joke is like a double off
Speaker 3: the wall. It's like a beautiful, straightforward, hilarious but it's
Speaker 3: kept it in the park. It's great anyway, kept it in.
Speaker 1: The park, right, exactly, all right, and learn And one
Speaker 1: of the great moments of that pilot is learning that
Speaker 1: Rory got to Chilton, and I think and that provides
Speaker 1: such an upward movement of energy in this seriod and
Speaker 1: a just a very it's it's a very the power,
Speaker 1: the powerful, one of the powerful engines in this rocket ship,
Speaker 1: if you will.
Speaker 4: All right, so all and we're excited that she gets
Speaker 4: to go to Chilton because it's hopefully the next step.
Speaker 1: To Harvard, right right, aspirational Right, So now the jeep.
Speaker 1: Now we establish the jeep because now Laura I can't
Speaker 1: pay for it. It's fifty thousand dollars. She doesn't happen. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of zeros after that five, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just an hysteric a phone call showing the
Speaker 1: skill set that Lauren brings to bear on this character
Speaker 1: and you know, making us laugh, just her and a
Speaker 1: telephone on a set and not talking to anyone, No,
Speaker 1: just mad skills coming out of that woman. And you
Speaker 1: know she's got to go. And that beautiful moment again
Speaker 1: with that beautiful music from Sam Phillips, looking at that
Speaker 1: old photograph of her as a small child in front
Speaker 1: of her parents' house and then zooming in on that
Speaker 1: and then transitioning that shot into reality and then we
Speaker 1: camera pans over Leslie Lincoln glad Or did a fabulous job.
Speaker 3: We know exactly where we are. It's like it's not
Speaker 3: exactly there's nothing confusing about it. We get it right,
Speaker 3: you know, we know where they are. I mean, and
Speaker 3: also you just mentioned this, but like it's the kind
Speaker 3: of thing that you know over over the years, you
Speaker 3: forget to say it. But Damn, Lauren is good. Damn
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like right, it's like she what.
Speaker 3: She's doing as a young woman there playing someone who's
Speaker 3: wise beyond her years.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That is and you know and is clearly still young.
Speaker 1: She's a young woman and she's got she can do
Speaker 1: all that and all the world, like I had.
Speaker 3: To grow up fast, and like she just crushes it.
Speaker 1: It's so good, right because there's that edge to her, right,
Speaker 1: there's that there's that and you and you sense it
Speaker 1: and you hear it in her voice and that skill.
Speaker 1: That's something that that's a choice she made as an actress.
Speaker 1: You know, all of those nuances and layers that she
Speaker 1: put onto that character. You know, we're the beneficiaries of it.
Speaker 1: Just just a brilliant portrayal, absolute brilliance. And we meet
Speaker 1: Richard and Emily and what what a what a scene
Speaker 1: that was at the door and we kind of and
Speaker 1: you know, as we got into this scene and I
Speaker 1: was watching a Richard come into and this attitude they
Speaker 1: had with her. But I just thought, you know, how
Speaker 1: crushing it was for them thirty well sixteen years ago
Speaker 1: when their only child who was destined for what they
Speaker 1: were grooming her for, which was you know, private school
Speaker 1: at Harvard and a big life out there with you know,
Speaker 1: and a lifestyle is akin to theirs. And boy were
Speaker 1: they must have I mean, how crushing it must have
Speaker 1: been for them that this thing happened, This that life
Speaker 1: happened to their only child. Life happened, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can feel any way you want about it, but
Speaker 1: just think about what it did to them. They obviously
Speaker 1: did not react, well, they alienated their own daughter, but anyway,
Speaker 1: I felt real. That's that's the thing that hit me
Speaker 1: the second time around watching this pilot is the pain
Speaker 1: coming out of of Richard and Emily, the two of
Speaker 1: their pain. Yeah, how they just know too.
Speaker 3: And I always like Edward Hermann is always just he's
Speaker 3: always completing the assignment, you know, And it's like and
Speaker 3: you see it his his character is both. You know,
Speaker 3: he's a likable guy, but you see the like you
Speaker 3: see how he also is dominating. You see how he's
Speaker 3: a pain in the ass. You see how like he's
Speaker 3: he's a lot of things and and I get it.
Speaker 3: I understand their pain, and I also understand why Laura
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't really want to be a
Speaker 3: part of this while I'm while I'm doing that's whether
Speaker 3: the pilot works so well. You visualize her being sixteen
Speaker 3: and saying like, I'm going to do this, but I'm
Speaker 3: going to do it on my own. Yeah, it adds up.
Speaker 4: And you can say the same thing about Emily two.
Speaker 4: She's a lot of things, a lot and we know that,
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, she just wants
Speaker 4: to somehow get Laura Lai back in her life. And
Speaker 4: there's all too your motives with the you know, the
Speaker 4: money and all that kind of stuff, But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, she just wants Friday night dinner.
Speaker 4: And and that's set up in this episode Friday night dinners.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And that's that's another thing. How flowery and
Speaker 1: intricate and funny the writing is with so much verbiage, right,
Speaker 1: yet yet Amy and Dan manage to very clearly allow
Speaker 1: an audience to read the sign posts and know exactly
Speaker 1: where we are, not necessarily exactly where we're going, but yeah,
Speaker 1: their beats are really clear. So you feel the same
Speaker 1: way you feel when you're watching a great movie. You
Speaker 1: know you're in the hands of a master, and you
Speaker 1: just get comfortable and enjoy the ride because you trust
Speaker 1: so much the writing. You trust that they're going to
Speaker 1: get you to a place that's going to surprise and
Speaker 1: delight you and fascinate you and engage you. And that's
Speaker 1: it's a very rare quality that you can be so
Speaker 1: intricate and detailed and funny and dramatic and yet still
Speaker 1: be clear and still be really great at storytelling, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's a lot of great writers
Speaker 1: that don't know anything about structure. They don't know where
Speaker 1: the beach should come. And you know, I read a
Speaker 1: lot of scripts and it's like, wow, you know, you're
Speaker 1: a really good writer, but where's the story. Where's this going?
Speaker 1: You know, it's dragging here? And like if you're going
Speaker 1: to say, you know, if you established in the first
Speaker 1: act that you're gonna go kill a shark, then you
Speaker 1: better start killing a shark at the second act. You
Speaker 1: better go after you know what I mean. So so
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's really the versatility of the writing
Speaker 1: is it's phenomenal, and it's rare. It's rare. So we
Speaker 1: learn here also that the iconic Gilmore House was actually
Speaker 1: in Toronto. The layout of their house changes a little
Speaker 1: or actually a lot in this episode due to the
Speaker 1: pilot being picked up by Warner Brothers. Laura I takes
Speaker 1: a business class twice twice a week. We learned that,
Speaker 1: we learn Rory as a reader. Obviously, she's doing very
Speaker 1: well in school. She's very shy studious, and now we
Speaker 1: see that the Chilton, a private school, is going to
Speaker 1: play a role in her character's development. We learned the
Speaker 1: character and Chilton becomes a character, and that she has
Speaker 1: aspirations to go to Harvard and that's what everybody wants
Speaker 1: for even though her we don't find this out yet,
Speaker 1: but her dad's a Yale man and she's holding herself
Speaker 1: to a higher standard then her mother maybe even got
Speaker 1: a chance to write. So so we're learning there's a
Speaker 1: lot of information coming at us in a very entertaining
Speaker 1: and very dramatic and a very funny. This pilot introduces
Speaker 1: to its audience these trademark pop culture references a.
Speaker 4: Ton in this episode, just a ton tons and yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes and there are actually fewer in the pilot that
Speaker 1: compared to later episodes. So some episodes were just so
Speaker 1: full of them that oh and we would notice too,
Speaker 1: because we would do it. We we did a pop
Speaker 1: culture episode wrapped and some were just.
Speaker 4: Just hours long.
Speaker 1: They were really they had to be cut.
Speaker 3: Down to I noticed that in the pilot the foot
Speaker 3: is like off the gas a little bit on the
Speaker 3: pop culture references.
Speaker 4: On the pop culture references, and we said this already,
Speaker 4: but also on how fast the dialogue is. The gas
Speaker 4: was just a little bit off.
Speaker 1: And it's right, and it's like it was intentional that
Speaker 1: they needed to establish the characters and they you know,
Speaker 1: pilots are usually not terribly exciting. It's pilots are hard
Speaker 1: to do because they have to be entertaining, but you've
Speaker 1: got to introduce the characters and you've got to establish
Speaker 1: where the story's going. You've got to do that right
Speaker 1: away in the pilot. So they're they're difficult, and this
Speaker 1: was handled with such a deaf touch. Okay, So there's
Speaker 1: there's Anna the unaired stuff. There was stuff that was
Speaker 1: filmed that was reshot. Suki and Dean are played by
Speaker 1: different characters Talk Sports. Dean, as we have said, it
Speaker 1: is cast to play Suki before Melissa McCarthy or contract
Speaker 1: with mad TV prohibited her from accepting the role. Nathan
Speaker 1: Worthington was cast to play Dean before Jared Perlichi.
Speaker 4: Uh can imagine a Gilmore Girls without Jared Padilaki?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine.
Speaker 4: Or Melissa McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Or Sean Gunn Has anyone thought about how the title
Speaker 1: of Gilmour Girls includes Emily as well, not just Laura
Speaker 1: and Ry. But it's about the three generations of women.
Speaker 1: I mean that is where and especially how. The thing
Speaker 1: that impresses me most about Lauren is that is the
Speaker 1: heavy load that she had to carry every single episode
Speaker 1: because she's occupying every single world of that show. The
Speaker 1: parents world, Rory's world, It's a diner world, stars hollow world,
Speaker 1: Miss Patty's world, whoever taylored She's in every single world,
Speaker 1: establishing that she is the center of this show, which
Speaker 1: she is. Yet the show itself has no problem and
Speaker 1: no difficulty and it doesn't hurt. It enhances the show
Speaker 1: of placing Rory at the center of the show when
Speaker 1: that needs to happen. It's just it's so unique in
Speaker 1: that respect. Ah. And so what I'll say is my
Speaker 1: last comment on the the pilot episode, and I said
Speaker 1: this before I even saw this, uh, is that it
Speaker 1: is perfect. It is a perfect It is a perfect pilot.
Speaker 1: It's rare that you see something that's perfect. And I
Speaker 1: saw something last night that was perfect a film that
Speaker 1: I won't mention, but Sean, you know that feeling you
Speaker 1: get when you see something that is absolutely perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say it needed more Kirk,
Speaker 3: but but yeah, we'll go with perfect.
Speaker 4: Fun all right, so good, it's perfect. Nothing else needed
Speaker 4: to be added to this episode.
Speaker 5: But don't you don't you don't you think that was
Speaker 5: just a ploy by aiming that maybe they she wanted
Speaker 5: to give the pilot a feeling of that something's a
Speaker 5: little bit as missing here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then bring you in for the went down
Speaker 3: from there then and then so great. I actually agree
Speaker 3: with you, Scott. I do think that it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, just watching it again, I was like, what
Speaker 3: a what a beautiful pilot. It really just has all
Speaker 3: of it. It lays it all out. It's there's no
Speaker 3: question why the network wanted to pick the show up
Speaker 3: and to see what do we have here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean, like this is we
Speaker 3: we've got something. Let's let's uh, let's take this and
Speaker 3: and and run with it. And yeah, and it really
Speaker 3: is you know it, you beat it into the ground.
Speaker 3: But it's a whole lot of talented people working together.
Speaker 4: And the one thing, now, having seen the whole series
Speaker 4: and the movies and all that stuff, everything was planted
Speaker 4: here and you didn't even know it yet. Everything was planted.
Speaker 4: And I love now that I've seen the whole series
Speaker 4: to see how this pilot is such a foundation for
Speaker 4: the rest of the series. Everything's here, everything.
Speaker 1: Right, Because you could go back and say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that wasn't you know, previewed, or that wasn't teased in
Speaker 1: the pilot, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, it was exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Anyway, What a great show, What a great way to
Speaker 1: start a series that lasted seven years, that probably could
Speaker 1: have still been going today given the loyalty of this
Speaker 1: fan base, which is just extraordinary. It's really you know,
Speaker 1: the fan base has always been an uncredited character of
Speaker 1: this show because you can feel their presence at every turn.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can tell you then from being a
Speaker 3: you know, I've been some of the biggest movies ever made,
Speaker 3: and people are like, what what do you get recognized
Speaker 3: for the most probably.
Speaker 1: Know, Sean, tell us what you're doing now?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm promoting Creature Commandos, which is this animated show
Speaker 3: I did with my brother James. And you know, as
Speaker 3: you know, I work with my brother when I can.
Speaker 3: He's he's awesome and and I love working with him
Speaker 3: in the same way that I love working with Amy.
Speaker 3: It's like you got a great writer. It's you know,
Speaker 3: follow the words right, and uh yeah, Creature Commandos is
Speaker 3: like super super cool. I have some other projects also
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm working on with him that I can't
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta be careful about how much.
Speaker 1: I yeah, but it's there's more big stuff. It's PC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm writing a graphic novel which is crazy and
Speaker 3: uh and I'm really enjoying It's it's scary and as
Speaker 3: as you know, as an artist, it's like when you're
Speaker 3: doing something that scares you, it's probably good or at
Speaker 3: least a good idea to do it, you know, like, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: see where it goes to challenge yourself. That's cool. I
Speaker 3: did some indie movies that are coming out next year,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm like plugging forward. Man, I'm still
Speaker 3: living the you know, still living the life. I still
Speaker 3: living and dying by my auditions and and working as
Speaker 3: much as possible. It's uh, it's cool.
Speaker 1: Well, we wish you the best. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: You know how busy you are. You've always been a
Speaker 1: great friend of the show. Absolute Uh, honored to know you, Bud.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Scott. I know anytime, like like, uh,
Speaker 3: I'll be back before you before you finish this, Like
Speaker 3: what we'll do this again?
Speaker 4: Which one do you want to come back for? Which
Speaker 4: episodes we'll run it back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but ask your listeners which one
Speaker 3: they will.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's that's a good idea. We will love
Speaker 1: to have you back multiple times. Be well, best to
Speaker 1: your bride and uh, well we'll talk soon. Thanks shown gun, everybody, everybody,
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