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Speaker 2: That's you.

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Speaker 3: I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, Welcome to round two of I

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Speaker 1: Am all In. This is the I Am all In

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Speaker 1: Again Podcast one eleven productions. iHeartRadio, iHeartMedia, iHeart Podcast, Episode one,

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Speaker 1: Season one. The Beloved Pilot with special guest, the One

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Speaker 1: the Only, Seawan Gun. Yes, he is here with us.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna shake things up a little bit with Sean.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna include spoilers. Sean welcome. I think you have

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Speaker 1: the better You win the background photo contest on this one.

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Speaker 1: I like your background photo.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's for Cayl Welch from one Million Years PC.

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Speaker 1: You can't go wrong with that. This is uh, this

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Speaker 1: is Charro from the Early Years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. It's is one

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Speaker 1: of our panty So Sean's going to join us.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Danielle Romo from My Intrepid Crew is joining us in here.

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Speaker 1: Hello Danielle, and.

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Speaker 4: This is we're doing it again. We're doing it again.

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Speaker 3: You're super fans.

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Speaker 4: And Shanna have a question for you. Have you ever

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Speaker 4: seen the pilot before? Because you're not in it. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you have Okay, you know, oddly.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's probably the episode that I've seen the

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Speaker 3: most number of times because over the years, like there

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Speaker 3: have been you know, all right, let's just get into it, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's just get into it. So over the years, over

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Speaker 3: the last twenty years or so, whenever I would date

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Speaker 3: that was a prerequisite. I wouldn't I wouldn't date fans

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Speaker 3: who had never seen it. And and they would occasionally

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Speaker 3: I've watched the pilot a few times over the last

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Speaker 3: twenty five years, and then it and then it's like

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Speaker 3: it didn't go much further than that, like.

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Speaker 4: The one you were in the show.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I like, you know, in other words, you

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Speaker 1: didn't make it to episode two, right, right, dating parlance? Okay, Right,

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Speaker 1: And I got to.

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Speaker 3: Shout out my wife, who's an amazing human and and

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Speaker 3: just the greatest, but we didn't make it to episode

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Speaker 3: two either, really, but yeah, yeah, she's she's watched a

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Speaker 4: Much overlaps because his wife was in the series, like

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Speaker 1: But you know, I know what you mean. It's uh,

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Speaker 3: For fans, well for my character particularly, it's like, right, oh, hey,

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Speaker 3: It was great to watch the pilot again and had

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Speaker 1: It is a terrifically watchable episode and what what what

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually I'm curious about it because you would

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe they did do that. Which ones? Which one?

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Speaker 1: So you your deal not to get too personal, but

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Speaker 1: It's okay, so the way right exactly. So that's the

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Speaker 1: Fascinating, fascinating.

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Speaker 4: So literally we're talking where I am talking and our

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Speaker 4: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, they had so many you know,

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Speaker 4: All right? So, season one, episode one, the pilot air

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Speaker 4: day October fifth, two thousand. The storybook Connecticut Town of

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Speaker 1: You know what's so fascinating about this show is you've

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, Yeah, it's a It is a beautiful pilot.

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Speaker 3: seen like rapid fire forties comedy, and that's what this is.

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00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 3: And that's what I was playing, and I think that

435
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: that's what Amy saw. She was like this guy gets it.

436
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: But right, but did you feel that the pilot because

437
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: what I noticed in the pilot, it was more relaxed.

438
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't so speedy time. It unfolded like in a

439
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: little more naturalistic way. Nothing was rushed. Especially I especially

440
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: noticed it with Rory and Lane scene when they're walking

441
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: up when first see them, very relaxed and then you

442
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: sort of fast forward to what it became and it

443
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: was just everything was just yeah, fast paced.

444
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, and I don't you know, it's

445
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: like works.

446
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: Either way, you know, I agree, yeah, works either way.

447
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: All right, so we are uh right, then there you go.

448
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: We did kind of talk about how Luke isn't Luke

449
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: in this episode. Yet, Yeah, so because we see I

450
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: think they were trying to see what stuck, right, So

451
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: they tried the flannel with the backwards hat, then they

452
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: tried the button up shirt. He also was like very

453
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 4: sweet and carrying and not caring, like very sweet and

454
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: personal and like no disrespect to Luke. But we know

455
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 4: that wasn't who he really was in the series, So

456
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 4: I feel like even his personality was a little bit

457
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: different in this as well.

458
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Well.

459
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: I just think I just think I went with it's

460
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: what I did in the audition that worked. It got

461
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: me the role, that got me the offer, not the role,

462
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: but got me the pilot. I didn't get the role,

463
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: I got the pilot. I got the role in the pilot.

464
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't get the whole, the whole mcgilla.

465
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: You know.

466
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: It was like my manager said, listens, like, don't screw

467
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: this up, because this could be really nice because, like

468
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Sean said, this begins with Luke and it ends with

469
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Luke Steiner. You know, it starts there, and so there's

470
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: got to be there's a reason for that, and you know,

471
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: obviously it's it's the potential sparks between Luke and Lorelei

472
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: and you see.

473
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: That especially with the button up shirt scene, you know

474
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: where you two you can just see it like, Okay,

475
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: where is that going to go with the two of them?

476
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: Did they tell you Scott about like was it? Do

477
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: you remember the description of the character when you audition

478
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: for it? Was he supposed to be a hard ass

479
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: basically like he was like no nonsense, you know, like

480
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: I noticed a couple of things that are like red

481
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: meat will kill you. Yeah, stuff like that. I don't

482
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: know that he I don't know that Luke would have

483
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: said that three seasons later, but it was it was funny,

484
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: Like I liked it. It was like I I longed

485
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: for that like sort of that that level of of acid.

486
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Well, you get it from Luke, you get it from

487
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: you get it from Michelle, and you get it from Drella.

488
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: There's there's three characters there that embody that kind of

489
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: DNA where it's just like this dead pan kind of

490
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: throwaway and I don't care. Which I think was Amy

491
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: and Dan's interpretation of East Coast.

492
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: You know, Emily, Emily carries out a little bit.

493
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: To right exactly, Yes, yeah, right, there's so that's East Coast,

494
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: Northeastern snark and you know, even if you know Luke

495
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: isn't a quote unquote educated person, it all, you know,

496
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: it trickles down everywhere, especially in that area because that's

497
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's the IVY League, that's Ivy League turf

498
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: up there, So it all trickles down. So it's all snarky, fast,

499
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: funny kind of stuff.

500
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: And that's Amy, right, I mean that's yeah, Like, that's

501
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: that's all those characters all a little bit speaking to

502
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: her voice.

503
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, they're all her.

504
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

505
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: We've often tried to pin down which characters are are

506
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: most like Amy or if Amy, did Amy write herself

507
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: into one of these characters, and we're trying to figure

508
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: that out.

509
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: And what do you guys say is the answer to that?

510
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: I don't know.

511
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: I thought Paris maybe, oh yeah, wow, that's it.

512
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: That's actually pretty good.

513
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: But not Amy. But it's like Amy, it's like three

514
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: quarter Amy, because Amy's very to me.

515
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: It's more like what percentage of Amy is every character?

516
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: Right?

517
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: That's that's the better question.

518
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: Maybe his high as like seventy five percent, right, it's

519
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: like thirty Rory's fifteen percent, right, Emily sixty percent? Like

520
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: there's right, right, you could probably go through, and I'm

521
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: sure your fans will enjoy doing that. I'm not going

522
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: to do it myself. But I know I don't think

523
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: I actually don't think Kirk she's They always thought Kirk washilarious,

524
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: but that's not I think k might actually be more

525
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: damn than than he is.

526
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: Amy. That's right interesting, But I don't know that he's

527
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: either interesting. But Amy, you know, Amy is so the

528
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: real Amy in life is she's so up and positive

529
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: and just infused with energy and motherly love for everyone,

530
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: hugs and laughter. That's Amy. She's she's she's a you know,

531
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: she's she's a quite a presence when she comes on set.

532
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, she's She's the greatest. I it's

533
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: always a funny thing to me to go back, like

534
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: I did, to hear him and and and like watch

535
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: early episodes of the show, and you know, watch the

536
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: pilot episode and think that for me, Amy was like

537
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: sort of scary, you know, like she was she was

538
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: my ball, and she was you know, she was the

539
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: person who could write me off the show at any time.

540
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: So even though I I didn't necessarily have any reason

541
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: to fear her, I did, you know, I was always

542
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: all you know, like, yeah, he was the boss, and

543
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy to me to now look back and

544
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: be like wow, Amy was like she was like in

545
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: her mid thirties show running this uh this this project

546
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: that was really her baby, you know. It was like

547
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: it was like she she like did every part of

548
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: that was was like from her creative mind and was

549
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: was was constantly dealing with outside influences of people who

550
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: thought like, oh, let me, let me tell you how

551
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: to do this a little bit better. She show yes

552
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: and like and like there were there were studio people,

553
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: and there were other There was a lot of pressures

554
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: on people who who want to tell young women that

555
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: they are not as that they are not as smart

556
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: as capable as they think that they are. And there

557
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: were a lot of people like that coming down on

558
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: Amy and she was like no, no, no, no, no, no,

559
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: you don't. This is my show. I'm doing it the

560
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: way I want to do it. And I have so

561
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: much respect for her that that I've learned over the

562
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 3: years in the business that like, oh she just wasn't

563
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: she just wasn't taking any notes. Yeah, yeah, she was

564
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: like I don't I'm not interested in in your in

565
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: your notes. I love it. I think it's great.

566
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, very very bold step too, yeah

567
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: to go, you know, toe to toe. But it is

568
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: why the show is so unique. It is, it is

569
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: why it's you know, it's become. I used to think

570
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: it was just because of this seeming growth and resurgence

571
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: of the show. It's it really has sustained all these years,

572
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: but it just seems like generation after generation is discovering it.

573
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: It's number eight on the Nielsen streaming ratings and it

574
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: was been off the air since two thousand and seven.

575
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean, there's six hundred and forty million minutes per

576
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: week consumed on average the show. It's it's it's insanity

577
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: how popular this show is. And I used to think

578
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: it was purely a nostalgia play. It's not. It's relevant

579
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: today because of the because it's so smart and it's

580
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: so funny, and how does that ever get old? Nobody

581
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: gets sick of that, So it's so now it's really

582
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: not as a surprise that, you know, children as young

583
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: as six and seven years old are watching the show

584
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: with their arents. Men are discovering it now and Sean,

585
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: you do uh, you do more conventions than I do.

586
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: But when I'm at them and we're at them together,

587
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: what do they do. They they bring these their little

588
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: little babies dressed to the characters and and and it's

589
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: and the men are like, oh, I love the show

590
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: more than my wife. And it's everybody. It's actually tell

591
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: you how.

592
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: Many I can't tell you how many young like young

593
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: women that I'm like, young girls that I've met who

594
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 3: are named.

595
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: The Laurelai right, yes, or Rory. I just met a

596
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: couple of I'm in Canada shooting another show and I

597
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: just met a couple of people that they named them

598
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: their daughters Rory.

599
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: It's crazy, yes, yeah, And and I do I always

600
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: answer that question when people ask what is how do

601
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: you attribute the longevity of the show? I'm like, well,

602
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: great writing kind of rises to the top. And Amy's

603
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: a great writer, and she knew what she was doing

604
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: and she knew what she had and and that's really it.

605
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: It's like, there's there's a lot of other little pieces

606
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: that worked that helped it. There's a lot of alchemy

607
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: that goes into the good luck of having it be successful.

608
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: But it always you can always whittle it down to

609
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: that core of like yep, Amy's writing.

610
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: How solid is the writing? Yeah, you can have you

611
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: can have the best crew, you can have the best actors.

612
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm watching a lot of things now

613
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: because I have, you know, a day off here, so

614
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch up on stuff, and there's always

615
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: a point where it's like I shouldn't have done that.

616
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: You don't watch it anymore. It just takes one kind

617
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: of bone headed decision on the writer's side and it's over.

618
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: It just kills it. And all these sort of limited

619
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: series and that you see now right, there's so much

620
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: content and they inevitably fail at some point early on.

621
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: They start out like a house on fire, but you

622
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: know it's not going to last. This one lasts.

623
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: And I think.

624
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: My take is, yes, I one hundred percent agree with you.

625
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: It's the quality of the writing. It always has been

626
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: for me. Anything that I love, it's always great writing.

627
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: You know, great writing attracts great directors, great producers, great actors.

628
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: It attracts all the top tier talent. Because the thing

629
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: in Hollywood is how good is a script? And this

630
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: is a really hot script. It's not like, you know,

631
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: there's any other element that needs to be attached to it.

632
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: Elements will attach themselves to great writing. And it's just

633
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: the humor of the show. For me, after watching going

634
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: through all these one hundred and fifty three shows in

635
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: four episodes, it's the humor. It's I think people, we'll

636
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: keep coming back for a lot of reasons. But it's

637
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: so funny and it's so much humor. It's so dense.

638
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: Every episode has fifty to one hundred laughs, you know,

639
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: big kind of big laughs, and you don't get you

640
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: don't get that kind of volume in quality anywhere else.

641
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: It's overwhelmingly good, you know. It's just it's just overwhelming,

642
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: and people have to watch it because they don't hear

643
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: they're too busy last and they laughing, they miss the

644
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: next two jokes. Oh, so they're gonna see it again anyway.

645
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the music on

646
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: the show.

647
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: There she goes opening up. The whole entire pilot.

648
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Was so good, just iconic. It's thrilling to watch the

649
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: pilot because you get to hear that song and see

650
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: those pictures. It's just such a beautiful opening. It's sung

651
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: by the Laws and help the Laws. Yeah, and there

652
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: she goes It's been covered by sixpence, none the richer,

653
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: and this song became iconic with the fans and with

654
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: me and where the Colors Don't Go by Sam Phillips,

655
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: the Great Sam Phillips, when Lorelei parks in front of

656
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: her parents mashing. This was a deeply emotional episode in

657
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: every beat was so clearly deeply emotional, and the music

658
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with it. Oh yeah, you know.

659
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: That was the thing that was one of the things.

660
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: You know, I talked earlier about being a little bit

661
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: of afraid of any and one of the things that

662
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: that sort of broke that barrier was talking to Dan

663
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: Palladino and understanding that he and I were both like

664
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: deep dive music fans and where Dan comes from musically,

665
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: and you know, I like Daniel Palladino for those who

666
00:40:52,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: don't know, knows just about everything about in music, like

667
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: go ahead and yeah and I and I hear that,

668
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: I hear the laws and I'm like, oh, that's that's

669
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: probably Dan's influence there. Who knows, but but yeah, God

670
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: that that music is so good. I was able to

671
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: meet Sam Phillips at the one of the uh you know,

672
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: a rap party for for something, and she also does

673
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: all of the la la la la, that's all. That's

674
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: all same?

675
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 4: Really is that true?

676
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: She she's she's amazing.

677
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: She like if you've never heard her, She's got a

678
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: bunch of great albums. But she has an album called

679
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: a Boot and is Shoe that's really just like phenomenal

680
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: that if you know, for anyone who wants to go

681
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: back and listen to her music, like that's that's my

682
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: favorite album of hers. Yeah, the music's great.

683
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 4: I do want to talk about how we meet each character, though, Scott,

684
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: because I think I'll let you you take it away,

685
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: but I feel like I want to go through each

686
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: character and how we meet them, and it truly does

687
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: set up the rest of the series. There's just little

688
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 4: nuggets in this pilot that play true through all seven

689
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: seasons and the movies.

690
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: All right, Well, as you know, we first see Laura

691
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: La that's the first person we see. Then we see Luke,

692
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: we meet him, then we meet Rory in that order.

693
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Here's a little side note. Liza Wheel, who played Paris,

694
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: originally auditioned for Rory. Can you imagine she probably would

695
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: have been pretty good at it too. After Alexis got depart,

696
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: Amy told her if the pilot got picked up, told

697
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: Liza that is, if the pilot got picked up, she'd

698
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: write an arc specifically for her, which is very very

699
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: generous of somebody to do, which meant, yes, she did

700
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: have control of her universe and she was going to

701
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: do anything that she wanted to do. Michelle we meet

702
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: quickly at the end, and we established that he is

703
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of a better dressed French version of Luke. Now

704
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: and Lane and Rory walk up, they establish their best

705
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: friends deans at school, and we learn a lot about

706
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: their friendship and Lane's life in a very short scene.

707
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: You know, all they had to do was talk about

708
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: the hay Ride and my mother, my Korean mother, and

709
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: Korean doctors, and we got to do this hay Ride

710
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: as a pre date and see if it's gonna So

711
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: we know a lot about Lane already.

712
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: We also find out that she loves rock music like

713
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: in this very first scene, so that kind of sets

714
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: up a lot for her character later on too.

715
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: And we see Dean revealed at the school he's been

716
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: watching Rory, not in a creepy way, according to.

717
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 4: Dean, just in a creepy way seeing you every day

718
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: after school. It's just this book last week, in this

719
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: book this week.

720
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: Oh God, Dean, whenever you hear somebody say out loud, yeah,

721
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: it wasn't in a creepy way.

722
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I think it probably was.

723
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I don't know.

724
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Can look can can sixteen year olds be creepy? I

725
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: mean I don't think so. I mean they're just like, yeah,

726
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: they're just discovering all this stuff. It's like they don't

727
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: know what that does, and they scare, you know, they're

728
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: scared of rejection. And by the way, that doesn't changes

729
00:44:47,560 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: one ages. This is Rory's first love interest, and she

730
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: doesn't even notice him until she drops, Uh what what

731
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: book did she drop? It wasn't Moby Dick, but it

732
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: was was it? The on the Road? Was its? I

733
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: think it was something like that. Anyway, it was right

734
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: right because he said Melville. He said something about Melville.

735
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Deed it all right? So then we meet Melissa, we

736
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: meet Suki and just boy and I thought this stuff

737
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: for me, that was the most impressive chore choreography in

738
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the entire show, the most Suki's kitchen uh stuff was

739
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: to me, the best orchestrated, best blocked, just the most

740
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: entertaining stuff. Yeah, what a brilliant introduction to a character.

741
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: Well, if I if I jump in for just a second,

742
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: it's like, go for it, and I want you to

743
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: keep going. But but I like, I can't help when

744
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: I'm watching it. I'm watching the people, right, so I

745
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: can step outside of I'm not a you know, after

746
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: all these years, I'm not a of you know, I'm

747
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: not watching it the same way a fan is. I'm

748
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: watching remembering what Melissa was like in the year two

749
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 3: thousand and what Alexis was like, and what Jared Padleki

750
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 3: was like, and as as people what they're actually doing

751
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: performing on the show, and it's just fascinating. It's it's

752
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 3: very clear to me now you know how much Melissa

753
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 3: is just like she's so on top of every single

754
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: thing that she's doing. She's just like her her her

755
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 3: game is really sharp, right, you know you know what

756
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: I mean? Yeah, really to be really on top of

757
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: every single note. And then you watch Jared and Alexis

758
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: and their kids, you know, like they were like plucked

759
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: out of whatever universe they lived in, was like here

760
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: go be on this television show.

761
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: High School. Dean came out of High school. Oh my god,

762
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: he graduated high school and came to LA and got

763
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: a job.

764
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: Dude, he's the greatest. I see him. I feel like

765
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: I see him like every five years, and he's just

766
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: he's just crushing life. That kid. I know he's not

767
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: a kid anymore, but he'll always be a kid to me.

768
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: But he you know, it's like he yeah, he was

769
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: like sort of plucked out of high school. I think

770
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: he was handing out flyers a Universal city when somebody

771
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: was like, hey, are you an actor? He's like, I'm

772
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: trying to me an actor. Yeah, well let me send

773
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: you on some auditions. It's like here I am on

774
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: a television sh right right right, Like he's just and

775
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: he's so great. I love watching those scenes and being like, wow,

776
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: this guy he really is just plucked out of yeah

777
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: Texas and they threw him on the show.

778
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: Very talented young guy, Yeah, very talented.

779
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: He's a talented middle aged guy.

780
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you're more talented middle age.

781
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: He was forty, he probably is forty one. We're old,

782
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: you and I are.

783
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: No, Well i'm old.

784
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: No, you're not, I know, but i am.

785
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: I'm pretty, I am all.

786
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. We're all age.

787
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 4: The one important to take it back to Suki. The

788
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: one important thing that I remember in this scene is

789
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: that they established that they're going to open an in

790
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: one that that's their goal, that they're going to open

791
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 4: up an inn one day, and that Davis planted very

792
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: very early on.

793
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Just just a beautiful scene and and a beautiful relationship

794
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: between Laurel and Suki, and you just look forward to more,

795
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: very loving, very supportive, very it's gonna it's gonna breed

796
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: a ton of humor. You just know it, all right.

797
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: So now we quickly we're quickly establishing who everyone else is.

798
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: But now we go into missus Kim's Kim's antiques and

799
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: where she utters the famous line to Rory, who tries

800
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: to make a joke about her line about nobody got

801
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: pregnant and dropped out of school. Uh. Missus Kim looks

802
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: at Rory and says, boys don't like funny girls. Made

803
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: me fall off the couch. Just great. So now we

804
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: understand that Lane's got a really strict mom. Ye, So

805
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: more to come with that, all right. So Laura I

806
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: and Rory banter, we see how they are best friends

807
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: instead of it's your not your typical mother, right, it's

808
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: not your typical mother daughter relationship. She's concerned with They're

809
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: concerned with each other's happiness, you know, and that's very touching.

810
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: And she even says stuff to her mother after, you know,

811
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: she finds out she gets into Chiltern and how did

812
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: that happen? Did you sleep with you seem really happy?

813
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: Did you do something slutty? I mean, what daughter talks

814
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: to my mother like that? I mean, it's just it's

815
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: just so great.

816
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're definitely established best friends.

817
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: Wait, and you got to say.

818
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: The response is even better.

819
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: She's like, did you do something? She's like, you look happy?

820
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: Did you do something slutty? And rights.

821
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: It's about as racy as it gets, right, Oh yeah,

822
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: so you know you're safe, but you're it's still pushing

823
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: the envelope a little bit outside. It doesn't break out

824
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: of family friendly ever.

825
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: Really, you know, that joke is like a double off

826
00:50:54,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: the wall. It's like a beautiful, straightforward, hilarious but it's

827
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: kept it in the park. It's great anyway, kept it in.

828
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: The park, right, exactly, all right, and learn And one

829
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: of the great moments of that pilot is learning that

830
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: Rory got to Chilton, and I think and that provides

831
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: such an upward movement of energy in this seriod and

832
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: a just a very it's it's a very the power,

833
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: the powerful, one of the powerful engines in this rocket ship,

834
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: if you will.

835
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 4: All right, so all and we're excited that she gets

836
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: to go to Chilton because it's hopefully the next step.

837
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: To Harvard, right right, aspirational Right, So now the jeep.

838
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Now we establish the jeep because now Laura I can't

839
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: pay for it. It's fifty thousand dollars. She doesn't happen. Well,

840
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: that's a lot of zeros after that five, you know,

841
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: and it's just an hysteric a phone call showing the

842
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: skill set that Lauren brings to bear on this character

843
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: and you know, making us laugh, just her and a

844
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: telephone on a set and not talking to anyone, No,

845
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: just mad skills coming out of that woman. And you

846
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: know she's got to go. And that beautiful moment again

847
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: with that beautiful music from Sam Phillips, looking at that

848
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: old photograph of her as a small child in front

849
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: of her parents' house and then zooming in on that

850
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: and then transitioning that shot into reality and then we

851
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: camera pans over Leslie Lincoln glad Or did a fabulous job.

852
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: We know exactly where we are. It's like it's not

853
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: exactly there's nothing confusing about it. We get it right,

854
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, we know where they are. I mean, and

855
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: also you just mentioned this, but like it's the kind

856
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: of thing that you know over over the years, you

857
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: forget to say it. But Damn, Lauren is good. Damn

858
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

859
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: Like right, it's like she what.

860
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 3: She's doing as a young woman there playing someone who's

861
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: wise beyond her years.

862
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: You know.

863
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 3: That is and you know and is clearly still young.

864
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: She's a young woman and she's got she can do

865
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: all that and all the world, like I had.

866
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: To grow up fast, and like she just crushes it.

867
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: It's so good, right because there's that edge to her, right,

868
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: there's that there's that and you and you sense it

869
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: and you hear it in her voice and that skill.

870
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: That's something that that's a choice she made as an actress.

871
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: You know, all of those nuances and layers that she

872
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: put onto that character. You know, we're the beneficiaries of it.

873
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: Just just a brilliant portrayal, absolute brilliance. And we meet

874
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: Richard and Emily and what what a what a scene

875
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: that was at the door and we kind of and

876
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, as we got into this scene and I

877
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: was watching a Richard come into and this attitude they

878
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: had with her. But I just thought, you know, how

879
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: crushing it was for them thirty well sixteen years ago

880
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: when their only child who was destined for what they

881
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: were grooming her for, which was you know, private school

882
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: at Harvard and a big life out there with you know,

883
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: and a lifestyle is akin to theirs. And boy were

884
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: they must have I mean, how crushing it must have

885
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: been for them that this thing happened, This that life

886
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: happened to their only child. Life happened, and you know,

887
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: you can feel any way you want about it, but

888
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: just think about what it did to them. They obviously

889
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: did not react, well, they alienated their own daughter, but anyway,

890
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: I felt real. That's that's the thing that hit me

891
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: the second time around watching this pilot is the pain

892
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: coming out of of Richard and Emily, the two of

893
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: their pain. Yeah, how they just know too.

894
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 3: And I always like Edward Hermann is always just he's

895
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: always completing the assignment, you know, And it's like and

896
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: you see it his his character is both. You know,

897
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: he's a likable guy, but you see the like you

898
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: see how he also is dominating. You see how he's

899
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: a pain in the ass. You see how like he's

900
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 3: he's a lot of things and and I get it.

901
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: I understand their pain, and I also understand why Laura

902
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't really want to be a

903
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: part of this while I'm while I'm doing that's whether

904
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: the pilot works so well. You visualize her being sixteen

905
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: and saying like, I'm going to do this, but I'm

906
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: going to do it on my own. Yeah, it adds up.

907
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 4: And you can say the same thing about Emily two.

908
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 4: She's a lot of things, a lot and we know that,

909
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, she just wants

910
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 4: to somehow get Laura Lai back in her life. And

911
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 4: there's all too your motives with the you know, the

912
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 4: money and all that kind of stuff, But at the

913
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 4: end of the day, she just wants Friday night dinner.

914
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: And and that's set up in this episode Friday night dinners.

915
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And that's that's another thing. How flowery and

916
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: intricate and funny the writing is with so much verbiage, right,

917
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: yet yet Amy and Dan manage to very clearly allow

918
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: an audience to read the sign posts and know exactly

919
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: where we are, not necessarily exactly where we're going, but yeah,

920
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: their beats are really clear. So you feel the same

921
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: way you feel when you're watching a great movie. You

922
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: know you're in the hands of a master, and you

923
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: just get comfortable and enjoy the ride because you trust

924
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: so much the writing. You trust that they're going to

925
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: get you to a place that's going to surprise and

926
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: delight you and fascinate you and engage you. And that's

927
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: it's a very rare quality that you can be so

928
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: intricate and detailed and funny and dramatic and yet still

929
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: be clear and still be really great at storytelling, you

930
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's a lot of great writers

931
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: that don't know anything about structure. They don't know where

932
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: the beach should come. And you know, I read a

933
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: lot of scripts and it's like, wow, you know, you're

934
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: a really good writer, but where's the story. Where's this going?

935
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's dragging here? And like if you're going

936
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: to say, you know, if you established in the first

937
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: act that you're gonna go kill a shark, then you

938
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: better start killing a shark at the second act. You

939
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: better go after you know what I mean. So so

940
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's really the versatility of the writing

941
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: is it's phenomenal, and it's rare. It's rare. So we

942
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: learn here also that the iconic Gilmore House was actually

943
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: in Toronto. The layout of their house changes a little

944
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: or actually a lot in this episode due to the

945
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: pilot being picked up by Warner Brothers. Laura I takes

946
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: a business class twice twice a week. We learned that,

947
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: we learn Rory as a reader. Obviously, she's doing very

948
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: well in school. She's very shy studious, and now we

949
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: see that the Chilton, a private school, is going to

950
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: play a role in her character's development. We learned the

951
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: character and Chilton becomes a character, and that she has

952
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: aspirations to go to Harvard and that's what everybody wants

953
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: for even though her we don't find this out yet,

954
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: but her dad's a Yale man and she's holding herself

955
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: to a higher standard then her mother maybe even got

956
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: a chance to write. So so we're learning there's a

957
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of information coming at us in a very entertaining

958
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: and very dramatic and a very funny. This pilot introduces

959
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: to its audience these trademark pop culture references a.

960
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: Ton in this episode, just a ton tons and yeah.

961
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes and there are actually fewer in the pilot that

962
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: compared to later episodes. So some episodes were just so

963
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: full of them that oh and we would notice too,

964
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: because we would do it. We we did a pop

965
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: culture episode wrapped and some were just.

966
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 4: Just hours long.

967
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: They were really they had to be cut.

968
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 3: Down to I noticed that in the pilot the foot

969
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: is like off the gas a little bit on the

970
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 3: pop culture references.

971
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: On the pop culture references, and we said this already,

972
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: but also on how fast the dialogue is. The gas

973
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 4: was just a little bit off.

974
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: And it's right, and it's like it was intentional that

975
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: they needed to establish the characters and they you know,

976
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: pilots are usually not terribly exciting. It's pilots are hard

977
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: to do because they have to be entertaining, but you've

978
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: got to introduce the characters and you've got to establish

979
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: where the story's going. You've got to do that right

980
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: away in the pilot. So they're they're difficult, and this

981
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: was handled with such a deaf touch. Okay, So there's

982
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: there's Anna the unaired stuff. There was stuff that was

983
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: filmed that was reshot. Suki and Dean are played by

984
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: different characters Talk Sports. Dean, as we have said, it

985
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: is cast to play Suki before Melissa McCarthy or contract

986
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: with mad TV prohibited her from accepting the role. Nathan

987
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: Worthington was cast to play Dean before Jared Perlichi.

988
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: Uh can imagine a Gilmore Girls without Jared Padilaki?

989
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: Can you imagine.

990
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 4: Or Melissa McCarthy.

991
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: Or Sean Gunn Has anyone thought about how the title

992
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: of Gilmour Girls includes Emily as well, not just Laura

993
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: and Ry. But it's about the three generations of women.

994
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean that is where and especially how. The thing

995
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: that impresses me most about Lauren is that is the

996
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: heavy load that she had to carry every single episode

997
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: because she's occupying every single world of that show. The

998
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,959
Speaker 1: parents world, Rory's world, It's a diner world, stars hollow world,

999
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: Miss Patty's world, whoever taylored She's in every single world,

1000
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: establishing that she is the center of this show, which

1001
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: she is. Yet the show itself has no problem and

1002
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: no difficulty and it doesn't hurt. It enhances the show

1003
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: of placing Rory at the center of the show when

1004
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: that needs to happen. It's just it's so unique in

1005
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: that respect. Ah. And so what I'll say is my

1006
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: last comment on the the pilot episode, and I said

1007
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: this before I even saw this, uh, is that it

1008
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: is perfect. It is a perfect It is a perfect pilot.

1009
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: It's rare that you see something that's perfect. And I

1010
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: saw something last night that was perfect a film that

1011
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: I won't mention, but Sean, you know that feeling you

1012
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: get when you see something that is absolutely perfect. Yeah,

1013
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't.

1014
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say it needed more Kirk,

1015
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: but but yeah, we'll go with perfect.

1016
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 4: Fun all right, so good, it's perfect. Nothing else needed

1017
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 4: to be added to this episode.

1018
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 5: But don't you don't you don't you think that was

1019
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 5: just a ploy by aiming that maybe they she wanted

1020
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 5: to give the pilot a feeling of that something's a

1021
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 5: little bit as missing here.

1022
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then bring you in for the went down

1023
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: from there then and then so great. I actually agree

1024
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 3: with you, Scott. I do think that it was like,

1025
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, just watching it again, I was like, what

1026
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: a what a beautiful pilot. It really just has all

1027
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 3: of it. It lays it all out. It's there's no

1028
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: question why the network wanted to pick the show up

1029
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: and to see what do we have here?

1030
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: You know?

1031
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean, like this is we

1032
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: we've got something. Let's let's uh, let's take this and

1033
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: and and run with it. And yeah, and it really

1034
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: is you know it, you beat it into the ground.

1035
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 3: But it's a whole lot of talented people working together.

1036
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 4: And the one thing, now, having seen the whole series

1037
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 4: and the movies and all that stuff, everything was planted

1038
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 4: here and you didn't even know it yet. Everything was planted.

1039
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 4: And I love now that I've seen the whole series

1040
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 4: to see how this pilot is such a foundation for

1041
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 4: the rest of the series. Everything's here, everything.

1042
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: Right, Because you could go back and say, well, yeah,

1043
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't you know, previewed, or that wasn't teased in

1044
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: the pilot, Yeah.

1045
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, it was exactly exactly.

1046
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: Anyway, What a great show, What a great way to

1047
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: start a series that lasted seven years, that probably could

1048
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: have still been going today given the loyalty of this

1049
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: fan base, which is just extraordinary. It's really you know,

1050
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: the fan base has always been an uncredited character of

1051
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: this show because you can feel their presence at every turn.

1052
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can tell you then from being a

1053
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: you know, I've been some of the biggest movies ever made,

1054
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: and people are like, what what do you get recognized

1055
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 3: for the most probably.

1056
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Know, Sean, tell us what you're doing now?

1057
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: Well, I'm promoting Creature Commandos, which is this animated show

1058
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 3: I did with my brother James. And you know, as

1059
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, I work with my brother when I can.

1060
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: He's he's awesome and and I love working with him

1061
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 3: in the same way that I love working with Amy.

1062
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 3: It's like you got a great writer. It's you know,

1063
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: follow the words right, and uh yeah, Creature Commandos is

1064
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 3: like super super cool. I have some other projects also

1065
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm working on with him that I can't

1066
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta be careful about how much.

1067
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: I yeah, but it's there's more big stuff. It's PC.

1068
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm writing a graphic novel which is crazy and

1069
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: uh and I'm really enjoying It's it's scary and as

1070
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: as you know, as an artist, it's like when you're

1071
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: doing something that scares you, it's probably good or at

1072
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: least a good idea to do it, you know, like, yeah, exactly,

1073
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: see where it goes to challenge yourself. That's cool. I

1074
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: did some indie movies that are coming out next year,

1075
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm like plugging forward. Man, I'm still

1076
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Speaker 3: living the you know, still living the life. I still

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Speaker 3: living and dying by my auditions and and working as

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Speaker 3: much as possible. It's uh, it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, we wish you the best. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: You know how busy you are. You've always been a

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Speaker 1: great friend of the show. Absolute Uh, honored to know you, Bud.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Scott. I know anytime, like like, uh,

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Speaker 3: I'll be back before you before you finish this, Like

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Speaker 3: what we'll do this again?

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Speaker 4: Which one do you want to come back for? Which

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Speaker 4: episodes we'll run it back?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but ask your listeners which one

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Speaker 3: they will.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's that's a good idea. We will love

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Speaker 1: to have you back multiple times. Be well, best to

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Speaker 1: your bride and uh, well we'll talk soon. Thanks shown gun, everybody, everybody,

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Speaker 1: don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am all

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